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		By: tezla valve		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://off-guardian.org/2015/11/10/jonathan-jones-in-the-guardian-tells-us-arson-is-ok-when-you-do-it-to-russians/#comment-60382&quot;&gt;Errorist (@_summerhead)&lt;/a&gt;.

The Guardian is an invaluable resource for finding out what &#039;They&#039; want us to think. Can we nail this bollocks? Fortunately, Gaby Hinsliff doesn&#039;t like us drawing our own conclusions. ATTENTION SCUM!

&quot;Don&#039;t mock the rock - Tracey Emin&#039;s wedding is a message to single women.&quot;
(No laughing at the back.)

&quot;Tracey Emin has married her rock. This isn&#039;t a metaphor by the way&quot;
&quot;unlike a less reliable bridegroom&quot;
&quot;(the bride wore her father&#039;s white shroud, apparently)&quot;
&quot;Emin made her name exploring taboo aspects of female sexuality - promiscuity, forbidden desire, rape, abortion&quot;
&quot;the most dangerously provocative idea of the lot, namely the possibility of building a life without a man at it&#039;s centre.&quot;
... blah blah feminist film revue...
...blah blah book plug...
&quot;the thing that throughout a woman&#039;s life &#039;may sustain and support you, bouy your spirits and engage your mind... [offering] commitment, attachment, chemistry and connection&#039;, she isn&#039;t talking about love. She&#039;s talking about work.&quot;
&quot;subliminal message to women, meanwhile, has all too often been that you can&#039;t have both husband and career&quot;
...blah blah reasonable comments interspersed with Fabian Mind Kontrol...blah.

So, to summarise : GET BACK TO WORK YOU USELESS EATERS! DIE ALONE!

Here Ms. Emin performs a lesser magick, of sorts. She is an Artist in the alchemical sense. Having found the Philosopher&#039;s Stone, she succeeds in turning base consciousness into gold. This isn&#039;t a metaphor by the way. I&#039;m saying she&#039;s a fucking witch.

Below the line:
edmundberk

&quot;Celebrating devoting your life to capitalism as if it&#039;s a victory over being sustained by mere love; an example of how identity politics have driven sections of the left mad.&quot;

Ed1949

&quot;What I get from the story is that a lot of babies are not being made, from the singles data given. It looks like the future UK will have something in common with today&#039;s Germany, begging people to come from wherever to keep the economy going.&quot;

cynicalshrink (responding to why he finds the article misandrist)

&quot;Do you really need to ask? The Guardian is pushing a message that women SHOULD aspire to live their lives without men. The very idea that a woman can MARRY an inanimate piece of stone is an attack on the value of maleness. You have to read rage Guardian overall, there is a pattern of articles about gender, identity etc. that promotes a version of life for women that positively excludes men.&quot;

The idea that Guardian feminism is being used as a divide and rule tactic appears to be contradicted by the constant product placement for casual sex app. &#039;Tinder.&#039; Occasionally, an article critical of &#039;Tinder&#039; appears, but even then, it is implied that using the app. is everyday behaviour. There is no such thing as bad publicity, as the unconscious mind does not recognise negatives. This is not exploited by Neuro-Linguistic Programming. Does promiscuity promote children, family and fidelity? I doubt it. So does this commenter:

jeremycorbynsupport

&quot;...And of all the impediments to a good and lasting relationship between a man and a woman, women&#039;s so called &#039;sexual liberation&#039; has to be the worst of them all - men are hard-wired not to trust women who play around sexually whether feminists think that&#039;s fair or not, the vast majority of men cannot cope with it, unless they merely see the woman they are involved with as purely a sexual conquest and have got no real feelings for her, and no intention of forming a lasting relationship with her.&quot;

The Statue of Liberty is the Whore of Mystery Babylon a.k.a. Isis. Remember, &#039;They&#039; hate love, so peace and love y&#039;all. &lt;em&gt;climbs onto hobby-horse. doffs tinfoil Stetson and rides off into sunset.&lt;/em&gt;
This isn&#039;t a metaphor by the way.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://off-guardian.org/2015/11/10/jonathan-jones-in-the-guardian-tells-us-arson-is-ok-when-you-do-it-to-russians/#comment-60382">Errorist (@_summerhead)</a>.</p>
<p>The Guardian is an invaluable resource for finding out what &#8216;They&#8217; want us to think. Can we nail this bollocks? Fortunately, Gaby Hinsliff doesn&#8217;t like us drawing our own conclusions. ATTENTION SCUM!</p>
<p>&#8220;Don&#8217;t mock the rock &#8211; Tracey Emin&#8217;s wedding is a message to single women.&#8221;<br />
(No laughing at the back.)</p>
<p>&#8220;Tracey Emin has married her rock. This isn&#8217;t a metaphor by the way&#8221;<br />
&#8220;unlike a less reliable bridegroom&#8221;<br />
&#8220;(the bride wore her father&#8217;s white shroud, apparently)&#8221;<br />
&#8220;Emin made her name exploring taboo aspects of female sexuality &#8211; promiscuity, forbidden desire, rape, abortion&#8221;<br />
&#8220;the most dangerously provocative idea of the lot, namely the possibility of building a life without a man at it&#8217;s centre.&#8221;<br />
&#8230; blah blah feminist film revue&#8230;<br />
&#8230;blah blah book plug&#8230;<br />
&#8220;the thing that throughout a woman&#8217;s life &#8216;may sustain and support you, bouy your spirits and engage your mind&#8230; [offering] commitment, attachment, chemistry and connection&#8217;, she isn&#8217;t talking about love. She&#8217;s talking about work.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;subliminal message to women, meanwhile, has all too often been that you can&#8217;t have both husband and career&#8221;<br />
&#8230;blah blah reasonable comments interspersed with Fabian Mind Kontrol&#8230;blah.</p>
<p>So, to summarise : GET BACK TO WORK YOU USELESS EATERS! DIE ALONE!</p>
<p>Here Ms. Emin performs a lesser magick, of sorts. She is an Artist in the alchemical sense. Having found the Philosopher&#8217;s Stone, she succeeds in turning base consciousness into gold. This isn&#8217;t a metaphor by the way. I&#8217;m saying she&#8217;s a fucking witch.</p>
<p>Below the line:<br />
edmundberk</p>
<p>&#8220;Celebrating devoting your life to capitalism as if it&#8217;s a victory over being sustained by mere love; an example of how identity politics have driven sections of the left mad.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ed1949</p>
<p>&#8220;What I get from the story is that a lot of babies are not being made, from the singles data given. It looks like the future UK will have something in common with today&#8217;s Germany, begging people to come from wherever to keep the economy going.&#8221;</p>
<p>cynicalshrink (responding to why he finds the article misandrist)</p>
<p>&#8220;Do you really need to ask? The Guardian is pushing a message that women SHOULD aspire to live their lives without men. The very idea that a woman can MARRY an inanimate piece of stone is an attack on the value of maleness. You have to read rage Guardian overall, there is a pattern of articles about gender, identity etc. that promotes a version of life for women that positively excludes men.&#8221;</p>
<p>The idea that Guardian feminism is being used as a divide and rule tactic appears to be contradicted by the constant product placement for casual sex app. &#8216;Tinder.&#8217; Occasionally, an article critical of &#8216;Tinder&#8217; appears, but even then, it is implied that using the app. is everyday behaviour. There is no such thing as bad publicity, as the unconscious mind does not recognise negatives. This is not exploited by Neuro-Linguistic Programming. Does promiscuity promote children, family and fidelity? I doubt it. So does this commenter:</p>
<p>jeremycorbynsupport</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;And of all the impediments to a good and lasting relationship between a man and a woman, women&#8217;s so called &#8216;sexual liberation&#8217; has to be the worst of them all &#8211; men are hard-wired not to trust women who play around sexually whether feminists think that&#8217;s fair or not, the vast majority of men cannot cope with it, unless they merely see the woman they are involved with as purely a sexual conquest and have got no real feelings for her, and no intention of forming a lasting relationship with her.&#8221;</p>
<p>The Statue of Liberty is the Whore of Mystery Babylon a.k.a. Isis. Remember, &#8216;They&#8217; hate love, so peace and love y&#8217;all. <em>climbs onto hobby-horse. doffs tinfoil Stetson and rides off into sunset.</em><br />
This isn&#8217;t a metaphor by the way.</p>
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		By: Errorist (@_summerhead)		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Mar 2016 09:20:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just been banned permanently from Guerrdian&#039;s CIF because of a Jonathon Jones article. This time a sycophantic, gushing piece of drivel about Tracey Emin marrying a rock in which he compares this artistic act to the art of Michelangelo. My crime was to politely ask if the article had been sponsored by Poju Zabludowicz. My comment was deleted in seconds so I posted another similar comment; again deleted in seconds - despite many comments from others being suitably rude and abusive (as such an article deserved). Lastly I posted that the rock might be a metaphor for Poju Zabludowicz; again removed in seconds and banned from CIF. I can only conclude I hit a raw nerve and Jonathon Jones really is a shill for the Zionist billionaire Zabludowicz (just as Emin is too). Reading the above article makes this seem more likely - I missed it originally; can&#039;t say I find Jones&#039; scribblings to be particulaly engaging.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just been banned permanently from Guerrdian&#8217;s CIF because of a Jonathon Jones article. This time a sycophantic, gushing piece of drivel about Tracey Emin marrying a rock in which he compares this artistic act to the art of Michelangelo. My crime was to politely ask if the article had been sponsored by Poju Zabludowicz. My comment was deleted in seconds so I posted another similar comment; again deleted in seconds &#8211; despite many comments from others being suitably rude and abusive (as such an article deserved). Lastly I posted that the rock might be a metaphor for Poju Zabludowicz; again removed in seconds and banned from CIF. I can only conclude I hit a raw nerve and Jonathon Jones really is a shill for the Zionist billionaire Zabludowicz (just as Emin is too). Reading the above article makes this seem more likely &#8211; I missed it originally; can&#8217;t say I find Jones&#8217; scribblings to be particulaly engaging.</p>
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		By: Catte		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2015 00:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://off-guardian.org/2015/11/10/jonathan-jones-in-the-guardian-tells-us-arson-is-ok-when-you-do-it-to-russians/#comment-60377&quot;&gt;Jamie Stewart&lt;/a&gt;.

This is very transparent and inept concern trolling, Jamie. Try to be a tad more subtle in future.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://off-guardian.org/2015/11/10/jonathan-jones-in-the-guardian-tells-us-arson-is-ok-when-you-do-it-to-russians/#comment-60377">Jamie Stewart</a>.</p>
<p>This is very transparent and inept concern trolling, Jamie. Try to be a tad more subtle in future.</p>
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		By: Crow Jane		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2015 19:06:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What Jonathan Jones actually knows about art could be written on a pimple on Tracy Emin&#039;s arse. Along with the other middle-class wanker John Harris, who pretends to be politically correct, but isn&#039;t above drunkenly swearing `fucking bitch&#039; down the phone at women who stand up to him. Breaking News: The Guardian has just printed a Christmas Quiz from Mr Hannigan head honcho at GCHQ.! Freaking unbelievable!! It&#039;s not April 1st btw.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/dec/09/can-you-solve-the-gchqs-infuriatingly-complex-christmas-puzzle]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Jonathan Jones actually knows about art could be written on a pimple on Tracy Emin&#8217;s arse. Along with the other middle-class wanker John Harris, who pretends to be politically correct, but isn&#8217;t above drunkenly swearing `fucking bitch&#8217; down the phone at women who stand up to him. Breaking News: The Guardian has just printed a Christmas Quiz from Mr Hannigan head honcho at GCHQ.! Freaking unbelievable!! It&#8217;s not April 1st btw.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/dec/09/can-you-solve-the-gchqs-infuriatingly-complex-christmas-puzzle" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/dec/09/can-you-solve-the-gchqs-infuriatingly-complex-christmas-puzzle</a></p>
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		By: mohandeer		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2015 12:24:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://off-guardian.org/2015/11/10/jonathan-jones-in-the-guardian-tells-us-arson-is-ok-when-you-do-it-to-russians/#comment-60377&quot;&gt;Jamie Stewart&lt;/a&gt;.

Oh yes we hold to account Tony Blair War Criminal, Lord Jenner the child rapist, every politician who took backhanders for enabling private contracts on NHS services. David Cameron who disappeared the Kengate tapes. We have armed snipers above a peaceful demonstration, peaceful demonstrators being pounced and brutalised by the police, huntsmen who mow down women with their half ton horse evading prosecution. Life is just peachy in the UK as long as you don&#039;t dissent. At least in Russia you are allowed to demonstrate outside the Kremlin without snipers targeting you from rooftops above. So I think I&#039;ll go and burn down the British Embassy door over in Russia, which of course will be fine with everyone, won&#039;t it?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://off-guardian.org/2015/11/10/jonathan-jones-in-the-guardian-tells-us-arson-is-ok-when-you-do-it-to-russians/#comment-60377">Jamie Stewart</a>.</p>
<p>Oh yes we hold to account Tony Blair War Criminal, Lord Jenner the child rapist, every politician who took backhanders for enabling private contracts on NHS services. David Cameron who disappeared the Kengate tapes. We have armed snipers above a peaceful demonstration, peaceful demonstrators being pounced and brutalised by the police, huntsmen who mow down women with their half ton horse evading prosecution. Life is just peachy in the UK as long as you don&#8217;t dissent. At least in Russia you are allowed to demonstrate outside the Kremlin without snipers targeting you from rooftops above. So I think I&#8217;ll go and burn down the British Embassy door over in Russia, which of course will be fine with everyone, won&#8217;t it?</p>
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		By: m4skingtape		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2015 10:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Jonathan Jones, the art critic, wrote an anti Corbyn article in the Guardian during the leadership ballot, in which he compared the promise and vision of Corbyn and team&#039;s manifesto (which he didn&#039;t quote) to historic totalitarianism, filtered through the &#039;naive&#039; recollection of his previous idealism as a student. It was a bad article, one in which it was obvious that he had no conviction other than that he would be paid well and keep favour with the overwhelming editorial mission. 
From an artistic point of view these performances stink of narcissistic self promotion, it&#039;s bad art disguised as radical gesture.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/08/labour-centrists-like-me-not-cynics-corbynites-pure-socialism]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan Jones, the art critic, wrote an anti Corbyn article in the Guardian during the leadership ballot, in which he compared the promise and vision of Corbyn and team&#8217;s manifesto (which he didn&#8217;t quote) to historic totalitarianism, filtered through the &#8216;naive&#8217; recollection of his previous idealism as a student. It was a bad article, one in which it was obvious that he had no conviction other than that he would be paid well and keep favour with the overwhelming editorial mission.<br />
From an artistic point of view these performances stink of narcissistic self promotion, it&#8217;s bad art disguised as radical gesture.<br />
<a href="http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/08/labour-centrists-like-me-not-cynics-corbynites-pure-socialism" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/08/labour-centrists-like-me-not-cynics-corbynites-pure-socialism</a></p>
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		By: Jamie Stewart		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2015 09:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Much as I hat Jonathan Jones (and I do because I have agreed with almost nothing that he&#039;s written), I don&#039;t think that burning the KGB/FSB front door is a bad piece of art. I am opposed to the relentless anti-Russia sentiments of the newspapers, but I think the commentators here shouldn&#039;t kid themselves that Putin&#039;s Russia is a free state to the same extent as the UK with genuine rule of law. Much as I hate politics here, we do normally hold our politicians to account eventually, whereas in Russia unfortunately-timed murders seem to prevent genuine opposition to Putin, so whilst I would never recommend meddling with Russia&#039;s internal affairs, I would be wary about whitewashing Putin so as to oppose the zealous anti-Russia brigade. Whilst this artist has done risky things, they were never liking to cause injury to others, even the burning of the door to the FSB! You may think he&#039;s a political plonker, but that doesn&#039;t mean he&#039;s dangerous...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Much as I hat Jonathan Jones (and I do because I have agreed with almost nothing that he&#8217;s written), I don&#8217;t think that burning the KGB/FSB front door is a bad piece of art. I am opposed to the relentless anti-Russia sentiments of the newspapers, but I think the commentators here shouldn&#8217;t kid themselves that Putin&#8217;s Russia is a free state to the same extent as the UK with genuine rule of law. Much as I hate politics here, we do normally hold our politicians to account eventually, whereas in Russia unfortunately-timed murders seem to prevent genuine opposition to Putin, so whilst I would never recommend meddling with Russia&#8217;s internal affairs, I would be wary about whitewashing Putin so as to oppose the zealous anti-Russia brigade. Whilst this artist has done risky things, they were never liking to cause injury to others, even the burning of the door to the FSB! You may think he&#8217;s a political plonker, but that doesn&#8217;t mean he&#8217;s dangerous&#8230;</p>
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		By: Jonathan Jones in the Guardian tells us arson is ok when you do it to Russians &#124; The shrinkinglobe		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2015 12:22:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		By: Davide		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2015 02:45:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Not shocked that the Guardian applauds the spread of bourgeois liberal performance &quot;art&quot; to Russia. What went wrong in the 1990s in Russia was robber capitalism - what a shame that glorious period in Russian history ended. I will be the last person to say that Putin&#039;s government is angelic and wonderful and perfect, but it&#039;s a hell of a lot better than what existed in Yeltsin&#039;s Russia.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not shocked that the Guardian applauds the spread of bourgeois liberal performance &#8220;art&#8221; to Russia. What went wrong in the 1990s in Russia was robber capitalism &#8211; what a shame that glorious period in Russian history ended. I will be the last person to say that Putin&#8217;s government is angelic and wonderful and perfect, but it&#8217;s a hell of a lot better than what existed in Yeltsin&#8217;s Russia.</p>
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