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		By: siemreapnews		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2015 23:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Reblogged this on &lt;a href=&quot;https://siemreapnews.wordpress.com/2015/11/26/same-old-russophobia-sniggers-hand-wringing-media-response-to-turkish-attacks-is-a-dismal-failure/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Siem Reap Mirror&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reblogged this on <a href="https://siemreapnews.wordpress.com/2015/11/26/same-old-russophobia-sniggers-hand-wringing-media-response-to-turkish-attacks-is-a-dismal-failure/" rel="nofollow">Siem Reap Mirror</a>.</p>
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		By: Seamus Padraig		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Seamus Padraig]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2015 21:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[“NATO countries have been concerned about Mr. Erdogan’s increasingly authoritarian tendencies for some time.”

Yeah, Angela Merkel was so concerned that, on her last visit to Ankara, she threatened Turkey with... expediting their EU membership application!

BTW, as dismal as most of The Graun articles on this incident have been, there is one silver lining: on those articles where they declined (forgot?) to turn the comboxes off, the comments were running about 90% against Erdo-war.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“NATO countries have been concerned about Mr. Erdogan’s increasingly authoritarian tendencies for some time.”</p>
<p>Yeah, Angela Merkel was so concerned that, on her last visit to Ankara, she threatened Turkey with&#8230; expediting their EU membership application!</p>
<p>BTW, as dismal as most of The Graun articles on this incident have been, there is one silver lining: on those articles where they declined (forgot?) to turn the comboxes off, the comments were running about 90% against Erdo-war.</p>
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		By: susannapanevin		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2015 19:53:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Reblogged this on &lt;a href=&quot;https://susannapanevin.wordpress.com/2015/11/25/same-old-russophobia-sniggers-hand-wringing-media-response-to-turkish-attacks-is-a-dismal-failure/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Susanna Panevin&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reblogged this on <a href="https://susannapanevin.wordpress.com/2015/11/25/same-old-russophobia-sniggers-hand-wringing-media-response-to-turkish-attacks-is-a-dismal-failure/" rel="nofollow">Susanna Panevin</a>.</p>
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		By: Rusty		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2015 17:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It was a terrible decision by Murdergan and his fundamentalist cronies, as anything looking remotely threatening in that Northern Syria are will be dealt with accordingly ,, in other words that area is now a no fly zone for Turkey, and the Russians are going full retard all over the Turk Syrian border 
Turkey announced that a meeting between Ahmet Davutoğlu  and Lavrov had been arranged , denied by Lavrov accusing the duplicitous turks of lying

I doubt any nation over the last 50 years has been responsible for the bloodshed in Syria than the Turks over the last 4-5 years]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was a terrible decision by Murdergan and his fundamentalist cronies, as anything looking remotely threatening in that Northern Syria are will be dealt with accordingly ,, in other words that area is now a no fly zone for Turkey, and the Russians are going full retard all over the Turk Syrian border<br />
Turkey announced that a meeting between Ahmet Davutoğlu  and Lavrov had been arranged , denied by Lavrov accusing the duplicitous turks of lying</p>
<p>I doubt any nation over the last 50 years has been responsible for the bloodshed in Syria than the Turks over the last 4-5 years</p>
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		By: Mick McNulty		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mick McNulty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2015 17:43:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The antics of Erdogan&#039;s son proves today&#039;s elites are mobsters, except their bootleg liquor is oil, the boys they send round are armies and their Tommy guns are TOWs. It is the gangster stage of capitalism.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The antics of Erdogan&#8217;s son proves today&#8217;s elites are mobsters, except their bootleg liquor is oil, the boys they send round are armies and their Tommy guns are TOWs. It is the gangster stage of capitalism.</p>
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		By: Norman Pilon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Norman Pilon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2015 17:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So Turkey shoots down a Russian war plane.  The editorial board of the World Socialist Web Site suggests (*here ) that it is highly unlikely that Turkey would have committed such a provocative act of war  “. . . without direct prior approval from the US government.”  So why would the US approve this provocation?

The baiting, to my mind, consists in this: lure Russia into a war with Turkey; allow these two belligerents to expend their blood and treasure against one another, thereby drastically diluting Russia’s ability to effectively deter or counter NATO and the US military, and when the moment appears to be ripe, directly engage a militarily weakened Russia.

The endgame seems to be to prevail over and finally subjugate Russia.  Russia either surrenders to western imperialism or there will be a world war.

The situation appears to be perilous, indeed.


http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/11/25/pers-n25.html
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Turkey shoots down a Russian war plane.  The editorial board of the World Socialist Web Site suggests (*here ) that it is highly unlikely that Turkey would have committed such a provocative act of war  “. . . without direct prior approval from the US government.”  So why would the US approve this provocation?</p>
<p>The baiting, to my mind, consists in this: lure Russia into a war with Turkey; allow these two belligerents to expend their blood and treasure against one another, thereby drastically diluting Russia’s ability to effectively deter or counter NATO and the US military, and when the moment appears to be ripe, directly engage a militarily weakened Russia.</p>
<p>The endgame seems to be to prevail over and finally subjugate Russia.  Russia either surrenders to western imperialism or there will be a world war.</p>
<p>The situation appears to be perilous, indeed.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/11/25/pers-n25.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/11/25/pers-n25.html</a></p>
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		By: JJA		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2015 17:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have been amused, if that is the right word, about all the Natobots on CIF claiming that Russia is &#039;aways&#039; infringing the airspace of other countries and &#039;testing&#039; them. Particularly, they allege around the Baltic. The actual figures prove the absolute opposite. Over the past five years, these are the officially reported infringements of Swedish airspace by foreign aircraft. 
42 infringements, of which Nato members were responsible for 29. Russia just 6 times!
Monaco, incidently was a case of Prince Albert being all haughty and royal about his private jet going where his royal highness wanted it to go without bothering to seek permission to do so.

USA                Nato                             7 
Russia                                                 6
Germany       Nato                            6
Norway         Nato                             5
Monaco                                              3
Belgium         Nato                             2
Netherlands  Nato                             2
Poland           Nato                              2
Qatar                                                    2
Albania                                                1
Bahrain                                               1
Denmark      Nato                             1
Estonia          Nato                              1
France           Nato                              1
Portugal       Nato                              1
Turkey          Nato                              1
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http://www.dn.se/nyheter/sverige/landerna-som-kranker-sveriges-territorium/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been amused, if that is the right word, about all the Natobots on CIF claiming that Russia is &#8216;aways&#8217; infringing the airspace of other countries and &#8216;testing&#8217; them. Particularly, they allege around the Baltic. The actual figures prove the absolute opposite. Over the past five years, these are the officially reported infringements of Swedish airspace by foreign aircraft.<br />
42 infringements, of which Nato members were responsible for 29. Russia just 6 times!<br />
Monaco, incidently was a case of Prince Albert being all haughty and royal about his private jet going where his royal highness wanted it to go without bothering to seek permission to do so.</p>
<p>USA                Nato                             7<br />
Russia                                                 6<br />
Germany       Nato                            6<br />
Norway         Nato                             5<br />
Monaco                                              3<br />
Belgium         Nato                             2<br />
Netherlands  Nato                             2<br />
Poland           Nato                              2<br />
Qatar                                                    2<br />
Albania                                                1<br />
Bahrain                                               1<br />
Denmark      Nato                             1<br />
Estonia          Nato                              1<br />
France           Nato                              1<br />
Portugal       Nato                              1<br />
Turkey          Nato                              1<br />
Source:<br />
<a href="http://www.dn.se/nyheter/sverige/landerna-som-kranker-sveriges-territorium/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.dn.se/nyheter/sverige/landerna-som-kranker-sveriges-territorium/</a></p>
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		By: mohandeer		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2015 15:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Reblogged this on &lt;a href=&quot;https://wgrovedotnet.wordpress.com/2015/11/25/same-old-russophobia-sniggers-hand-wringing-media-response-to-turkish-attacks-is-a-dismal-failure/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;wgrovedotnet&lt;/a&gt; and commented:

If we were to substitute Russian for British in the downing of a Jet, would the Russophobes still be jubilant, because that could so easily have been the case. Or would they, in their sophistry, spare a thought for what could be the consequences of their dumbed down thinking?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reblogged this on <a href="https://wgrovedotnet.wordpress.com/2015/11/25/same-old-russophobia-sniggers-hand-wringing-media-response-to-turkish-attacks-is-a-dismal-failure/" rel="nofollow">wgrovedotnet</a> and commented:</p>
<p>If we were to substitute Russian for British in the downing of a Jet, would the Russophobes still be jubilant, because that could so easily have been the case. Or would they, in their sophistry, spare a thought for what could be the consequences of their dumbed down thinking?</p>
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		By: shatnersrug		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2015 15:20:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://off-guardian.org/2015/11/25/same-old-russophobia-sniggers-hand-wringing-media-response-to-turkish-attacks-is-a-dismal-failure/#comment-60977&quot;&gt;KT&lt;/a&gt;.

Erdogan has the oil companies up his butt over this, yet want their war and if Oby don&#039;t give it to &#039;em they&#039;ll push from another place.

I smell a Chaney]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://off-guardian.org/2015/11/25/same-old-russophobia-sniggers-hand-wringing-media-response-to-turkish-attacks-is-a-dismal-failure/#comment-60977">KT</a>.</p>
<p>Erdogan has the oil companies up his butt over this, yet want their war and if Oby don&#8217;t give it to &#8217;em they&#8217;ll push from another place.</p>
<p>I smell a Chaney</p>
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