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"The web we want"? No, don't think so…

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The Guardian has a new section titled “The Web We Want.” It opened April 11 and currently has 11 articles running on it. Its face is festooned with images of gently smiling people from different ages, sexes and ethnic groups, making us think this is going to be a discussion about pluralism, inclusiveness – freedom.
And in a sense we’d be right. This is intended to be a discussion about all those things. Or rather about how to persuade people to give up the last named in some ill-defined “defence” of the other two.
It doesn’t say who the “we” referred to might be. The assumption is it means all of us. The readers. Members of the human race. But of course it doesn’t. There’s been no poll, no referendum to ascertain public opinion. The “we” in this sense is purely a gesture, or a rhetorical flourish toward democracy. The discussion that follows is neither democratic nor diverse. There are no shades of opinion on offer. No debates between those with different views on what the Web should be.
Oh sure, the different writers, persuaded or coerced into offering their variously begrudging support to this new campaign might notionally come from different backgrounds or ideologies, but their articles are – so far – diverse only in tone. They are all almost identical in message. All hit the same few, eerily repetitive, talking points:
1. Freedom of speech is actually elitist
2. An unregulated internet will discriminate against women and minorities
3. Free speech should maybe not include “abuse”.
Every article so far, from the “Guardian View” to the shrieking clickbait invective of Paris Rees, focuses at least one, usually all of these bullet points.
So, who is this “we” that wants us to start contemplating a regulated internet in the name of vaguely worded generalities and truisms about inclusiveness? Since the Guardian is a transatlantic outlet for the US/British intelligence community, and through that many of the major policy think tanks in Washington and London, we know this whisper of softly modulated concern over “absolutist interpretations of free speech” is the authentic voice of the one-time liberal Establishment, now all but entirely co-opted on to the neo-liberal ideology of oh-so gentle, touchy-feely backdoor fascism, lamenting its failure to get its message across.
Like all fascists – even the smiley pink and green ones – these people dislike things they can’t control and sources of contrary opinion that might derail their dreams of lockstep “consensus.” The internet is the embodiment of both these thing and so, unsurprisingly, they hate it, and want to see it dead, or tamed at least. Curtailing the free web has been on the back burner for these people for many years. The new section in the Graun tells us it’s probably about to be moved to the front of the stove and have the heat turned right up.
With this in mind, we’re going to be opening a new section here titled “The web they want” where we can monitor this new Guardian venture.
Look out for it soon.

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Alan
Alan
Apr 19, 2016 12:30 AM

The writers whose work appears in the Guardian have every right to dream of a system they want, good for them, I hope they enjoy it. Rather perplexed as to why they are telling me?

Deckard (@GeneralissimoUK)
Deckard (@GeneralissimoUK)
Apr 18, 2016 1:43 PM

Fuck off you daft cunts. Absolute cretins with Chinese paper skin. Get offline if you can’t handle the craic, it’s been like this since well before you boring old twats came on.

Michael Davidson
Michael Davidson
Apr 18, 2016 10:57 AM


Who the f do they mean by ‘ we ‘ ?

Paolo
Paolo
Apr 15, 2016 12:13 AM

“the neo-liberal ideology of oh-so gentle, touchy-feely backdoor fascism, lamenting its failure to get its message across”.
That was so well put it even made me laugh.

tezla valve
tezla valve
Apr 14, 2016 4:09 PM

Looking forward to “The Web They Want.” Sorry for being impatient, but I feel the need to comment on the following article, while I’ve got spare time. Also, sorry for all the words, it’s a long article. “Swallowing the Red Pill: a journey to the heart of modern misogyny.” “Judging The Red Pill by the most extreme statements of it’s members is, if not unfair, then at least inaccurate.” Don’t let that stop you, though, and don’t shy from insinuating that Red Pill somehow represents all critics of gender politics. “… elaborate conspiracy theories formed out of pure misogyny and outright hatred of female independence.” I think a lot of conspiracy theorists probably avoid sites that promote Pick Up Artist techniques. Attempting to seduce women, using NLP and other underhand methods is all a bit ‘MKultra.’ “I saw mostly feral boys wandering the digital ruins of exploded masculinity, howling their… Read more »

elenits
elenits
Apr 14, 2016 10:58 AM

Bravo. Excellent analysis. I especially appreciated this: “the authentic voice of ……. the neo-liberal ideology of oh-so gentle, touchy-feely backdoor fascism, ” From a Greek standpoint I offer the NGO signs (in English!) dotting Athens this week : “Welcome Migrants!!” And secondly Varoufakis DiEM25 movement aimed at saving our wonderful EU – hah! – under the rallying cry “Support Democracy and Transparency in the EU!” Both set up a false dichotomy – essentially traps – for a good hearted majority…. who of course want to alleviate suffering and naturally support Democracy & Transparency…that aims to close down nuance, debate, historical memory and investigation. Note that according to Varoufakis DiEM25 is the only way to fight “fascism”, cited as the [oligarch funded] PEGIDA and Golden Dawn, and dangerous “demagogues” like Orban, Marine Le Pen and UKIP. As Greeks say among themselves, we are now under total occupation with a puppet government… Read more »

dahoit
dahoit
Apr 16, 2016 5:33 PM
Reply to  elenits

Why Europeans aren’t mad as hell at the US for destroying the infrastructure of almost the entire ME and creating this refugee crisis which is screwing Europeans amazes me.
Are you all Merkels?

Eurasia News Online
Eurasia News Online
Apr 14, 2016 10:08 AM

Reblogged this on Eurasia News Online.

Forthestate
Forthestate
Apr 14, 2016 9:38 AM

I’m fed up with the Guardian’s breathtaking arrogance; I’m fed up with these fools assuming that freedom of speech is within their gift to me, or that I must either be grateful for, or denied the right to comment on my own PM’s financial probity. All comment on the revelations from the Panama papers has been barred; it is the single most important issue facing the majority of the world’s population: the increasing concentration of wealth into the hands of a tiny elite, and the rise of corporate fascism to replace what was always a thoroughly under-developed democracy. The Guardian won’t allow us to comment. The Guardian, of course, benefits from this offshore, tax dodging business. The Guardian is as much the problem as the people attending Davos. All semblance of ‘liberalism’ has finally been dropped. It has now adopted the homogenous, fascist straight jacket of the PC that is… Read more »

Seamus Padraig
Seamus Padraig
Apr 14, 2016 8:15 AM

“With this in mind, we’re going to be opening a new section here titled ‘The web they want’ where we can monitor this new Guardian venture.”
Brilliant! Keep up the good work, Off-Graun.

Bruce
Bruce
Apr 14, 2016 1:48 AM

To OG-
Good eyes, you guys. I’m new here, but I’ll have to start dropping in regularly.
BTW, I was kicked off CIF long ago. Officially it was for using a bad word, but I suspect in fact it was due to my consistent criticism of Israel. I wouldn’t be surprised to see the “criticism of Israel = antisemitism” meme raise its head in this brave new web “we” want.

dahoit
dahoit
Apr 16, 2016 5:37 PM
Reply to  Bruce

Me too,years ago.I questioned the you know what that the serial liars proclaim as gospel,and that was that.
The big H.
The Graun is now Zionist occupied territory,and full in for the hell bitch.

dahoit
dahoit
Apr 16, 2016 5:40 PM
Reply to  dahoit

Today they rehabbed Monica Lewinski.oy.And Jill Abramson,the NYT screw up has a column.oy again.

Frank
Frank
Apr 28, 2016 11:50 PM
Reply to  Bruce

” I wouldn’t be surprised to see the “criticism of Israel = antisemitism” meme raise its head in this brave new web “we” want.”
Yep, good call old chap.

Terje M
Terje M
Apr 14, 2016 12:45 AM

This would be a worthy subject for the Bilderberg meeting this year, which will be held in Dresden 9-12 June. Since the Guardian is a mouthpiece, this could be a warm-up for what will be discussed, and a feeler to see how well this approach goes down with the public.

joekano76
joekano76
Apr 13, 2016 11:20 PM

Reblogged this on TheFlippinTruth and commented:
Your comments are currently being pre-moderated (why?)

joekano76
joekano76
Apr 13, 2016 11:23 PM
Reply to  joekano76

That’s what it says on my Comment is Free Guardian!

Eric_B
Eric_B
Apr 15, 2016 10:06 AM
Reply to  joekano76

Mine too after pointing out most comments removed by The Guardian did not break the official rules.

Theodorakis
Theodorakis
Apr 13, 2016 8:30 PM

I tried to find in the Guardian something about the 400 people arrested for protesting in front of the US Capitol in D.C. on April 11. I do not want to be unfair, please tell me if they have. The Huffpost has slithered around the news (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/democracy-spring-arrests_us_570d08cae4b01422324a1ebd?), eschewing what could easily be the picture of the year: https://twitter.com/aletweetsnews/status/719624830933270528

Elaine Jacobs
Elaine Jacobs
Apr 13, 2016 7:09 PM

As I have mentioned on the Graun’s Comment Is Free, I would like the option of personally blocking someone as I can on Facebook. People I block on FB use terms like “moron” or “leftard” and specialise in ad hominen attacks or rants that reveal that the writer has not even bothered to read the article in question. Similar ad hominen attacks and rants can also spoil CIF. Such people do not further any kind of debate, nor do they add to the gaiety of nations; so I would prefer not to have to see their remarks.

Meriem Kheira Peillet
Meriem Kheira Peillet
Apr 13, 2016 6:55 PM

Good! I am waiting for it.