Only SEVEN people BTL support Guardian’s fact-free White Helmets editorial
by BlackCatte
The Guardian’s revised CiF slogan, as suggested by OffG
The Guardian’s comments are the now standard disaster-zone. Open for less than an hour and with a full one-third (18 of the 55) comments censored. Of the 37 remaining, only 15 support the ATL position. And those fifteen comments are all made by the same seven people. This is less about propaganda and more about cultist reality-denial
October 4’s WaPo was casually discussing the possibilities of the US escalating the situation in Syria by directly attacking the Syrian army without a UN mandate. The fact that it inverts reality by claiming such illegality would be “humanitarian” while simultaneously accusing the Syrian governmnt and its ally Russia of “war crimes” is not that surprising. But its absolute refusal to recognise the fact that any such move by the US would be a likely introduction to WW3 is a deeper kind of madness.
It’s increasingly clear that the ineffectual John Kerry and his fellow (comparative) non-loons, are failing to rein in the incompetent Keystone Cops-crazies who think they can launch and win a conventional war against Russia. In fact Kerry is partaking of the same rhetoric much of the time, presumably in an attempt not to be sidelined. Neither he nor his friends have the brains, the organisation or the will to offer real opposition to the drive to war. The WaPo is presenting what is the current Washington “consensus”, viz adolescent “tough-talking” and heated declamations. The non-crazies may be hoping this war-talk will remain purely that – talk. But absent any diplomatic initiatives or any serious attempts to present alternative analysis, this hope is forlorn. If the “conventional war” is launched only the idiot-lunatics, the Nulands, Kagans and Carters, will be amazed when it goes nuclear and wipes them (and us) out of existence.
Right now, in the midst of the most dangerous Russian/US stand-off since the Crimea crisis in early 2014, maybe even since the Cuban Missile near-miss, where are the voices of reason in the West? We are on the brink of catastrophic war, and nothing but footling distraction headlines or schizophrenic reality-denial and occasional bouts of hysteria is coming out of the White House or the State Department, or their principal “papers of record.”
If you doubt this even slightly – look at yesterday’s Guardian, where we can find this stunning headline:
“The Guardian view on the Nobel peace prize: give it to Syria’s White Helmets”
What is there to say? The facts about the White Helmets are out there and freely available. It’s easy to find out what they are and what they do. It’s established they are a front for Al Nusra and other terrorist outlets, who have openly allied with terrorist groups and faked videos of their own heroism. It’s a fact beyond question that 85%+ of Aleppo is in Syrian government control and is being attacked by the “rebels”, not by the SAA, and that launching a war to “defend” the few pockets of remaining terrorist stronghold would be an act of pure insanity. Everyone with any remaining sanity knows that no one, however evil, could possibly find as many “hospitals” to bomb as Russia allegedly does, even if they went looking. But the WaPo and the Guardian simply behave as if these facts do not exist and are not widely publicised, and the Guardian in particular persists in publishing articles so risible so reality-denying they have destroyed its reputation beyond rescue.
It’s like reading articles by respected authorities claiming gravity no longer exists or that humans can now fly. The reaction we feel is now less anger and more baffled incomprehension.
In fact both the WaPo and the Guardian, and most of the MSM, are currently exhibiting a kind of psychological denial that goes way beyond propaganda and into something much more dangerous and strange. Propaganda is about convincing the masses to believe your lies. But look BTL in the comments under both these articles. Almost no one is believing.
The comments in the WaPo – normally much more pro-official agenda than in the Guardian – are, even with repeat input from a couple of busy warmongers, full of people saying “we don’t want WW3 over Aleppo” or calling out US hypocrisy in arming al Qaeda and al Nusra.
The Guardian’s comments are the now standard disaster-zone. Open for less than an hour and with a full one-third (18 of the 55) comments censored.
Of the 37 remaining intact comments, only 15 support the ATL position. And those fifteen comments are all made by the same seven people (assuming none of the accounts are being run as duplicates, which we know is sometimes the case).
Seven people – max – posted BTL support for the Guardian editorial.
Seven people.
What we have here, and increasingly throughout the MSM’s output is less propaganda to convince the readership (who simply cannot be convinced) and much more a statement of a folie en masse. It’s a declaration of loyalty to a collective belief system. A public rejection of veridical reality in favour of cultist conviction.
We have wondered why the Guardian’s increasing, and now near-total failure to convince its readers seems to have zero impact on it editorial line – well, this is why. The aim has ceased to be about convincing the readers some time ago. It’s now just about asserting and enforcing internal adherence. Their line will not change, however much disgust and outrage and incomprehension is expressed BTL. In fact this only increases the sense of dislocation. The gap between their perceived reality and ours becomes the glue that binds them together.
Like the stumbling boobs in the Washington war-party, they “know” they are right with the perfect and fact-free conviction available only to fools and lunatics. They don’t see how close to the cliff-edge we all are. They won’t be calling out any warnings, or trying to put the brakes on the war-bus.
Currently the only serious hope of avoiding WW3 lies in Moscow, and the wholly sane adroitness of Lavrov, Putin, Churkin et al. They have to somehow talk down the lunatic in the room with the bomb strapped to his chest, screaming about his Manifest Destiny. We all have to wish them luck with that.
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I had this comment of mine deleted by the Guardian, the stubb is currently near the bottom of page 4, posted by Carnyx, I haven’t posted here before so the copy might not come out right, the blockquotes are quotes from the article. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/sep/28/west-aleppo-syrians-bombardment-assad#comment-84208428 Not since the Nazis retook Warsaw in 1944 has the world seen an assault of such total ferocity as we are witnessing Uhm what about Fallujah? No one who remembers how Assad’s father, Hafez al-Assad, put down the revolt in Hama in 1982 can doubt the ruthlessness with which the Alawite regime acts against its opponents – up to 40,000 civilians were killed by ceaseless bombardment on that occasion. Wait, I thought Aleppo was the worst since the Nazis, you keep changing your mind! Also the fatalities in Hama are in dispute, the western MSM currently likes to borrow figures from the Muslim Brotherhood who have… Read more »
There was another one of these completely insane articles last night from Chulov in the Graun: Amid Syrian chaos, Iran’s game plan emerges: a path to the Mediterranean. Some idea that Iran is looking for a continuous road to Syria and the Mediterranean. It is conspiracy theory stuff. Why would Iran have ambitions for a path to the Med? They already have most of it. But it is necessary to invent a path through the Syrian Kurds, who are after all Sunnis and not necessarily friends with the Shi’a. I suppose he’s trying to explain in his own mind the otherwise inexplicable (to him) fact that the Syrian Kurds are quite friendly with Asad. The reason for these good relations is of course that the Kurds know that they will have to live with Asad after the war, and therefore are not willing to go as far in attacking Asad… Read more »
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/08/iran-iraq-syria-isis-land-corridor
Here is an interview with Vanessa Beeley, a journalist who just returned from Aleppo for the real story.
Why Everything You Hear About Aleppo Is Wrong
Arrby………..I have awful trouble commenting, sometimes……It’s enough to make one ‘paranoid’…..almost….
Is it happening more than it used to?
If anyone is having persistent problems with posting comments please let us know.
I sent an email to your “contact us”point describing the problem, but got no reply, however I don’t hold it against you. You’ve ‘got a lot on your plate’. It doesn’t happen every time, but when it does, it is really annoying…….maybe your system is ‘overloaded’? I have no idea really……..I’m SO…. ’20th Century’………
I don’t think we received it Brian. If there’s any more problems email [email protected]
During the Cuban Missile Crisis, the two leaders, Kennedy and Kruschev, had back channel discussions on how to defuse the MIC-induced confrontation. From Kennedy’s papers, we know that Kruschev allowed Kennedy to claim the Soviets ‘blinked’ in order to sate the lunatic US domestic politicians. This was in exchange for quietly removing the missile bases from Turkey. The Turkish missile bases were a significant driving force behind the Soviet’s action in Cuba.
Little good Kennedy’s appeasement did him. The deep state bastards had him murdered anyway.
The current situation is far worse than the Cuban Crisis, as only one side has competent leadership.
Actually, The Jupiters (at this time obsolete but, apparently, quite operational as a political factor in NATO’s relations with Turkey and NATO’s credibility) were not at all a factor in Khrushchev’s decision to put missiles, and separately, the nuclear warheads for them, in Cuba. Simply, JFK’s bloody, illegal assassination program (which he wasn’t about to tell the people about), which had as it’s main target, Fidel Castro, as well as the very large, and therefore visible (to journalists, Castro and Khrushchev) military preparations to invade Cuba again (Bay of Pigs was the first effort) was the direct cause of the missile crisis. JFK worshippers, and those who suck up their propaganda, are those who ‘do not’ point out these un-hidden (or hidden in plain sight) facts. You aren’t a hero if you help to diffuse a super crisis that you alone are responsible. Had JFK and his supporters told the… Read more »
Just to be clear, Fidel and Nikita both knew not only about the impossible to hide military preparations for invasion, but they also knew about the assassination program. Khrushchev wanted to defend the revolution in Cuba. JFK viewed Cuba through his father’s eyes, as Hersh explains. JFK used to vacation there when it was run by gangsters (of the conventional sort) and had fond memories of the prostitutes and other pleasures he availed himself of when in Batista’s Cuba. And he felt, like his pure gangster, and booze smuggling, father, that that was the state Cuba should be returned to. From pages 342 & 343 of “The Dark Side Of Camelot,” the following: ====== == = Over the next thirty-five years a vast assortment of evidence – including published memoirs, interviews, and documents released from Soviet archives – has revealed that much of what the Kennedy administration said about the… Read more »
I always suspect the motives behind the drive to discredit JFK – especially when one of the prime movers also denies the obvious fact, even acknowledged by Congress, that he was murdered as part of a conspiracy.
The Gaurdian pro EU – anti Corbyn stance makes more sense when you see who’s on the board of directors. All day every day it prints articles that read like they were written by the EU PR dept, articles that describe the outcome of the referendum as illogical, irrational and possibly illegal, democracy is never mentioned. Now they are upping the anti by publishing threats from anti democratic crooks like Junker boasting he will make us suffer for leaving. Whats even more disgusting is they publish comments openly calling those who voted to leave racists xenophobic illerate scum filth etc etc, some calling for pension to be stopped and the NHS to be denied to the elderly. All of this is allowed and encouraged. Its the same with Israel, any criticism of the state and you’re branded anti semitic. Its disgusting that upper crust types like marina hyde and toynbee… Read more »
” … In fact both the WaPo and the Guardian, and most of the MSM, are currently exhibiting a kind of psychological denial that goes way beyond propaganda and into something much more dangerous and strange. Propaganda is about convincing the masses to believe your lies. But look BTL in the comments under both these articles. Almost no one is believing …” It’s as if a siege mentality has developed among the WaPo and Guardian writers who without doubt have swallowed the propaganda more readily than the rest of us and who believe in it deeply. So deeply in fact that the more we resist it, the more they feel compelled to repeat themselves in the hope that someone will believe them. Look at the way they refer to their own articles and to one another’s articles in citing support for their positions. Psychiatry has a name for the phenomenon… Read more »
Journalists are today just job holders and they certainly rank among the membership of the precariat.
These days – and probably for at least the last 20 years – they write what they are told to write.
It is all, no doubt, done in the nicest of ways, with “suggested” editorial lines or slants or spins……
You don’t need to be a genius to work out what the owners and editors want you to write – do you?
That way you keep a well-remunerated job. The alternative is…………?
Actually, I don’t think it’s ‘idiosyncratic’ or psychologically aberrant at all, I mean the propensity to believe as our peers or cohorts do. We are social creatures. I think that it was Marx who once put it that “language is practical consciousness,” meaning that consciousness is always and from the very outset “social.” Consequently, the surprise is not so much that sometimes people — even entire nations — partake of “une folie à plusieurs,” but that anyone (or even a group itself) ever manages to transcend and defeat any of these group delusions. The important thins is, I think, to recognize that ‘fact’ about ourselves, that we really are all heard-like in our thinking and in our ways, and if we are to evolve in a more progressive direction collectively, we need to be attuned to the notion that orthodoxies dwell unapparent in our own minds, and not to be… Read more »
“folie a plusieurs”… roughly translated ‘a shared delusion’…….But I suppose in this case(at the Guardian) it is an ‘imposed delusion’……..kind of like what happens to ‘journalists’ who work for Rupert Murdoch, who some decades ago famously said something along the lines of “My editors know exactly what I want to say”…..
There are various elements to how the mainstream media tow the line. Fundamentally there is a high degree of narcissism amongst them. So this is easily exploited. Career is everything. They follow the carrot. There are so many press awards that it’s pretty much Hollywood. Make the report, get the ‘exclusive’, get the plaudits and sit pretty in your cosy world desperate to get the edge on your peers. Rub shoulders with others who are influential and look down on peasants in the peanut gallery who are getting disruptive.
These people are chameleons who put on a good face. They act out all the concerned and wanting to listen. But it is one big act.
The Guardian has gone SO FAR down market, you could be forgiven for thinking that Rupert Murdoch has added it to his stable.
See Frank’s list of members of the Guardian’s Board of Directors below.
That tells you all you need to know about the changed character of The Guardian.
The one person I am surprised to see there is Katherine Viner, Editor of The Guardian.
She co-wrote with Alan Rickman a play about the death of Rachel Corrie around 2004.
I can only assume she has been bought-in with large amounts of USD & Israel shekels.
Her eventual biography – if truthful and honest – and if ever published – could be revealing.
I’ve that Viner, in fact, is the only one on The Graun’s board that is even a journalist by trade.
A very astute article. My first thoughts were, and still are, wtf? I simply can’t explain the level of cognitive dissonance displayed by the Guardian in nearly all of it’s views on international politics.
There are some good posts on here that might help to explain the reasoning behind such articles but I’m still left with a sense of bafflement. Who actually edits the Guardian?
its not it’s!
A self-loathing grammar nazi? 😉
In one 😉
‘where are the voices of reason in the West?’ Well, they are not here (petition made- and signed by academics). http://www.aleppo-appeal.org But the good thing of this petition is that you can write to these academics, and explain to them why the r2p and humanitarian war prediction models (about which they preach in their petition and even more so in their Universities… I had my share) do not lead to peace in Syria and elsewhere. Ask them for instance how they know that: ‘European and U.S. governments have invested political and military resources in their campaign against ISIS, [while] the Syrian government is the prime perpetrator of international crimes on the Syrian territory.’ Come with counter examples, eye-witness reports or simply ask them if they can tell the difference between East vs West Aleppo. That is what I did because I do not like to let it come to hoping… Read more »
The world completely upside-down . . . Jen did mention something about “une folie à plusieurs.” There you have it in spades . . .
No they are just arse-licking to keep tenure…..now that tenure has become ‘temporary’ and 100% dependent on supporting the Israelis.
Reblogged this on Worldtruth.
This leaves only one sensible question to ask: “Who are the people that The Guardian is targeting for its output?” It is some time since I last checked out the financial situation of The Guardian – perhaps offGuardian could get someone to check it out now? – but the impression I gained previously was that US financial interests had gained significant control over The Guardian. There is an old saying “Those who pay the piper call the tune.” Put simply, The Guardian has now become simply a mouthpiece for US interests. It is the US power elite who – among other things – are dictating the propaganda about the White Helmets. As a result, The Guardian has no other option than to parrot the same propaganda. The Guardian’s real audience is no longer a British audience but a the US power elite. They call the tune now. On the wider… Read more »
”The Guardian’s real audience is no longer a British audience but a the US power elite.” Yep, about right. Interesting to look at the Guardian’s Board of Directors. As follows: Neil Berkitt – a former banker (Lloyds, St George Bank) who then helped vulture capitalist Richard Branson with Virgin Media. David Pemsel – Former head of marketing at ITV. Nick Backhouse – On the board of the bank of Queensland, formerly with Barings Bank. Ronan Dunne – On the Telefónica Europe plc board, Chairman of Tesco Mobile. He has also worked at Banque Nationale de Paris plc. Judy Gibbons – Judy is currently a non-executive director of retail property kings Hammerson, previously with O2, Microsoft, Accel Partners (venture capital), Apple and Hewlett Packard. Jennifer Duvalier – Previously in management consultancy and banking. Brent Hoberman – Old Etonian with fingers in various venture capital pies including car rental firm EasyCar. Nigel… Read more »
It’s a terrible shame. I used to regard the Guardian as a shining example of what a paper should be, and a lot of the credit went to the commenters…………….Now it’s a ‘rag’. They’ve even removed the “Facts are sacred but, Comment is Free”, and so many contributors whose comments were most enlightening have either been censored out, or have simply ‘walked away. It’s shameful.
I think John ( and so , Frank;s contribution is specifically appropriate . ) The analogy that comes to mind ,trying to understand the utter weirdness of the once liberal media , is of ,in relation to Washington’s apparent take-over , the parasitic wasp , which buries eggs in the host’s brain ,eggs which then hatch to slowly redirect its victims towards its own ends . Something like that.
I was gobsmacked when I read that editorial. Beyond parody. The Independent is also pushing for the Nobel Prize for the White Helmets.
Sadly the subjective Nobel Prizes, ie Literature, Peace and Economics (the latter not a real Nobel but ‘in honour of’), have all been hijacked by the neocons. It’s also only a matter of time before Sweden and Finland are sucked into Nato, even though the majority of Swedes and Finns are opposed to membership. Norway and Denmark are good little Natoists, both countries already placing orders for the hideously expensive but cant fly F35.
Some day soon, maybe Switzerland–and perhaps even Vatican City!–will be in NATO, too. It’s like the blob.
Canada’s once socialist New Democratic Party has also jumped on the bandwagon (http://bit.ly/2e0rHsT).
“No one understood better than Stalin that the true object of propaganda is neither to convince nor even to persuade, but to produce a uniform pattern of public utterance in which the first trace of unorthodox thought immediately reveals itself as a jarring dissonance.” ~ Alan Bullock, in Hitler and Stalin: Parallel Lives Another possibility is that of luring out dissenters to reveal themselves. In the event of a coup or imposition of marshal law etc – suspects can be rounded up and ‘educated’ or even disappeared. This happens a lot in regimes where people are without a voice. It would be extremely unlikely that such data analysis did not go on as normal, and get stored somewhere contingent on being called up to be acted on at some level or further filtered. While I choose to align in a willingness of communication because it serves my own awareness of… Read more »
If there were any doubts that 9/11 was an Inside Job, set off by certain actors, like the CIA, Israel and traitors in the WH and FBI, the news that the USA is providing air support and political cover to Fatah al Sham, which was al Nusra, which had been al Qaeda in Syria, should remove all doubts.
How can the USA support the same thugs that Americans have been told six million times attacked us on 9/11?
Israel has the SAMSON option, which entails that entity using its nuclear weapons on Europe if the world finally tires of giving aid and cover to that Apartheid nightmare. So, does the USA have a similar option, to be used in case 9/11 truth gets too much exposure?
Is The USA compromised?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/earth/story/20150316-ten-parasites-that-control-minds
“Ten parasites that control minds”………..Eeeuuke. There’s probably a Hollywood block buster in that article..
It’s also a tv show called Brain Dead, in which alien bugs that come out of a crashed meteor in the States infect people by eating half their brains, making them extreme. This attack hits Washington and you have all these Democrats and Republicans running around taking extreme positions against each other, making them, paradoxically, of the same mind. And this mind is controlled by the bugs, which, collectively, are intelligent and seek to eradicate humankind. It was good until (for me) it wasn’t.
Sounds like ‘Hollywood’ is trying to “pre-condition” Americans to yet another one of their radical ideas about how people should think, behave, and respond. Just like they did in the movie “Wall St” whereby Americans(and the rest of us)were told that “Greed is good, greed is right, greed works”, which then led to the massive criminal behaviour, by Wall St Banksters in the years that followed……
You mean Hollywood/CIA/Pentagon? People have no idea how thoroughly the state’s ‘security’ apparatuses have intertwined with Hollywood. I was first alerted to it when I read a Salon article about it by former Senator, and former husband of Jane Fonda, Tom Hayden. I then picked up the book he was reviewing, by Tricia Jenkins, titled “The CIA In Hollywood – How The Agency Shapes Film And Television.” That was an eye opener. Here’s an interesting report out of the book: “The Office of Policy Coordination, a think tank housed at CIA, also worked to discredit Soviet ideologies and counter communists’ attacks on the West through film. In the early 1950s, two members of the OPC’s pschological warfare team who had dabbled in radio and film began negotiating with George Orwell’s widow for the film rights to Animal Farm, his allegorical novella that painted an unflattering image of Stalin and the… Read more »
I am surprised that they included Toxoplasma gondii.
I have been wondering for a while whether this parasite which is hosted by 30-60% of the human population (and has known effects on the “mind” of the rat) is “what’s wrong with everybody” (okay, everybody else!). Society seems to be going nuts all around me, and the obsession with cats is everywhere – social media, advertising, neighbours spending vast amounts on them (a vets near me is spending 600k on enlarging its clinic and opening a “pet hospital with beds” all the while we have an NHS “in crisis”), and like the US they always shit in other peoples gardens
At The Intercept, there was a similar reaction to a puffy White Helmets piece: 600 some comments at this point. Overwhelmingly critical or exactly what you describe here: bafflement of the “what the hell is this doing on The Intercept?” variety.
https://theintercept.com/2016/10/01/syrias-white-helmets-risk-everything-to-save-the-victims-of-airstrikes/
If the Intercept is running fan pieces for the White Helmets then it’s either staffed by idiots who have no business putting their pitifully uninformed thoughts out there for others to read, or it’s a controlled opposition site. No other choices available.
The Intercept is owned by (and was originally set up by) Pierre Omidyar who made his fortune as founder of eBay.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Intercept
Omidyar is now known to have funded groups in Ukraine committed to overthrowing Viktor Yanukovych’s government there over 2013 and 2014, in concert with the US government.
https://pando.com/2014/02/28/pierre-omidyar-co-funded-ukraine-revolution-groups-with-us-government-documents-show/
If you want any more proof that the Intercept is a controlled opposition site that has captured so-called “independent” journalists like Glenn Greenwald, Jeremy Scahill and Laura Poitras, let me know and I can find more but you may find my examples and the links they cite and connect to proof enough.
Yes, dodgy character. I”ve been pretty sure about the Intercept’s fake credentials for some time. Their White Helmets piece puts the question beyond doubt.
For now at least, Greenwald’s still OK. But I share everyone’s doubts about Omidhyar.
Seamus, really now, HOW is GG “still okay”? Intercept’s management makes sure his image is kept seemingly clean to maintain his “progressive” readership and the Intercept’s fake “integrity”. And he is playing along with that for VERY big bucks.
I haven’t seen it, but will be sure to. What a disturbing thing. Reminds me of Avaaz. They are on the right side – until, suddenly, they are not. But how does that happen? It happens because they are actually the enemy and they take to heart the ploy of keeping your enemies closer even than your friends. What blows me away is how stellar (in my opinion) investigative journalists like Greenwald, Scahill, Maas and Poitras could miss that their billionaire boss is a frequent (reportedly) White House visitor. Just having a billionaire boss should cause you to be ultra careful. (And what do they say about all this? The only thing discussion of the issue, by those journos, that I am aware of is that which I present below. I see a number of people slagging on GG. Even Sibel Edmonds, who I have a great deal of respect… Read more »
I read the piece about the al-Nusra front “white helmets” by Murtaza Hussain on the Intercept. It was “free run” for Raed al-Saleh!! I t would have the same value for me, if it had been a Coca-Cola adverb!! This was, you know, INTERCEPT, Glen Greenwald, Snowdon etc. you know; good company-safe information!! I was so disappointed, and thought that maybe it was me, who had misunderstood something!! I really admired and trusted Intercept!!??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Controlled opposition without question.
Ask yourself why Glenn Greenwald, entrusted with all Snowden’s info, is releasing them at the pace of rock formation (turtles are way too speedy for this comparison) – and now, apparently, not at all – and why NOT ONE has any info whatsoever about 911.
Furthermore why would Greenwald chose to place all the purported Snowden info into oligarch Omidyar’s (private) hands?
Well, That’s all covered in the back and forth between Pando (Mark Ames, Paul Carr) and Glenn Greenwald. It’s a fair bit of reading, but it’s well worth it. I just finished updating my own blog post about Murtaza’s pro USAID, pro White Helmets article. I now know much more about Pierre and Glenn than I did. And I’m saddened. In my estimation, Paul Carr takes Greenwald’s measure, accurately. But, as I point out in my post (Intercepting The People’s Champions – http://bit.ly/2dFC821), No progressive investigative journalist could ‘not’ know that USAID is essentially an imperial regime change operation. It’s an arm of the CIA, not officially but in fact. Greenwald, in his dismissive, condescending response to the Pando revelations (not including the one about Pierre’s many White House visits), writes “Anyone who thinks that The Intercept is or will be some sort of mouthpiece for U.S. foreign policy goals… Read more »
I’m curious about the edit. What was the editing that was needed? Did I do something to bugger up the software?
You added an addendum that you used italics when you meant to use bold. So, we changed it and removed your addendum.
It’s not a rebuke, it’s just that our comment system is not great and quickly gets overwhelmed, so these days we have to try to keep things on-topic and as streamlined as possible.
We’ll probably remove this in a while also if that’s ok with you.
I went to the Guardian web site and checked out the comments section. Your article is right on cue. It was laughable at how many comments were deleted for not being ‘pro’..agenda I will say. CBS News is bout about it as well. Is MSM still at 6% approval rating? I would think it would be much lower by now. What are the OffGuardian’s views on handing over our policing of the internet( the U.S.) over to the U.N.? Or, privatizing IP addresses?
“BTL”, “ATL”? Ol’ Winston Smith was quite an innovator wasn’t he!
So then, if I wish to decipher the jargon, acronymic American inner-City patois or nouveau-slango contained in your article…which “app” should I purchase?
“BTL” = “below the line”, non-author comments
“ATL” = “above the line”, anything in the actual article.
Thank you Admin!
Let’s put an end to our childish games where we imagine the [Post-Thatcher] U.K. is now the 51st State of the U.S.A. (complete with privatised NHS, Post Office, Water supplies, television programmes and murderous foreign policy.
Let’s quit the “America’s poodle” panto, and make an escape from America’s World Ghetto………. and return to our [British] senses. We can begin by prosecuting Blair for his war crimes and demanding justice for those lives extinguished or destroyed by America and her handmaidens.
Thanks for that explanation. I had been searching for one and found a load of marketing gobbledygook about “widespread brand-building advertising” (ATL) and “highly targeted direct marketing focused on conversions” (BTL) and how Proctor and Gamble first used the terms in 1954 etc., etc….
TTFN!
Thanks. I needed an answer to that question also.
In this latest report about ‘rebels’ Channel 4 news fail to spot (or purposefully blind to) that these are the same guys who cut off a child’s head back in July. It doesn’t take a genius to spot them.
Also at 2:27 you’ll just about see, again, good ole white helmet hanging with his boys.
You can also see about 4:20 where a jihadi starts gesturing towards some children, there is a small boy in a red T-shirt who looks like a dead ringer for Omar Daqneesh, the kid in the ambulance in the fake rescue video made by the so-called Aleppo Media Centre.
Sorry, my mistake, that child’s name should be Omran Daqneesh.
Looks as if this video has been disappeared.
That ‘that’ YouTube vid has disappeared doesn’t surprise me at all.
Funny how that happens . . .
I tried liking your comment. It was no go. I also still have to go through hoops just to post to this site.
Yes, WP can certainly be wonky at times.
BTW: further above, you mention the NDP of Canada and their embrace of establishment politics and chauvinism. It reminded me, of course, of my once childlike naiveté towards party and electoral politics, and I smiled at the thought of my then foolishness. But then quite involuntarily, I was also reminded of all the hard earned coin I contributed to the NDP for decades from meager earnings before waking up to their fraud, and my smile was exchanged for furrowed brows. To think that others might have made far better use of my contributions . . .
Indeed. Such as life. It’s like when you toss a pan handler a buck or something, because you don’t want to never give anything, and soon as you do, they do something to make you regret it. I don’t regret caring, but it’s never thrilling to be rewarded for it with uncaring.