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		By: damien		</title>
		<link>https://off-guardian.org/2016/10/07/putins-ultimatum-to-us/#comment-53711</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2016 03:22:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://off-guardian.org/2016/10/07/putins-ultimatum-to-us/#comment-53710&quot;&gt;Yonke Uulen&lt;/a&gt;.

The Friend or Foe system is immaterial if you are running a false flag operation. All you need is a US fighter aircraft painted in Russian colors conducting low flying bombing raids on civilians (with some pretty pictures to match). The Russians can complain all they like that they didn&#039;t do it but the Western media will publish the false claims against them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://off-guardian.org/2016/10/07/putins-ultimatum-to-us/#comment-53710">Yonke Uulen</a>.</p>
<p>The Friend or Foe system is immaterial if you are running a false flag operation. All you need is a US fighter aircraft painted in Russian colors conducting low flying bombing raids on civilians (with some pretty pictures to match). The Russians can complain all they like that they didn&#8217;t do it but the Western media will publish the false claims against them.</p>
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		By: Yonke Uulen		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2016 03:55:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://off-guardian.org/2016/10/07/putins-ultimatum-to-us/#comment-53705&quot;&gt;damien&lt;/a&gt;.

it is completely useless, and US should understand that - since the Identification, Friend or Foe System (IFF) System is working... ;)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://off-guardian.org/2016/10/07/putins-ultimatum-to-us/#comment-53705">damien</a>.</p>
<p>it is completely useless, and US should understand that &#8211; since the Identification, Friend or Foe System (IFF) System is working&#8230; 😉</p>
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		By: DavidKNZ		</title>
		<link>https://off-guardian.org/2016/10/07/putins-ultimatum-to-us/#comment-53709</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Oct 2016 00:03:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Theres a detailed and cross referenced article on the clandestine American intervention in Libya, that has now spilled over to Syria.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2014/08/19/the-benghazi-brief/
A takeout:
&lt;em&gt;In July 25, 2012, Taliban fighters in Kunar province successfully targeted a US Army CH-47 helicopter with a new generation Stinger missile.
The next day, an explosive ordnance disposal team arrived to pick through the wreckage and found unexploded pieces of a missile casing that could only belong to a Stinger missile.
Lodged in the right nacelle, they found one fragment that contained an entire serial number.
The investigation took time. But when the results came back, they were stunning: The Stinger tracked back to a lot that had been signed out by the CIA &lt;/em&gt;
While there was internal opposition in the US to arming AlQuida directly, the well funded Saudis and related Wahaabiists  appear to have no such qualms. The more MANPADs the better.
Which would explain Russia&#039;s decision to no longer delay removing these threats from Syrian soil]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Theres a detailed and cross referenced article on the clandestine American intervention in Libya, that has now spilled over to Syria.<br />
<a href="https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2014/08/19/the-benghazi-brief/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2014/08/19/the-benghazi-brief/</a><br />
A takeout:<br />
<em>In July 25, 2012, Taliban fighters in Kunar province successfully targeted a US Army CH-47 helicopter with a new generation Stinger missile.<br />
The next day, an explosive ordnance disposal team arrived to pick through the wreckage and found unexploded pieces of a missile casing that could only belong to a Stinger missile.<br />
Lodged in the right nacelle, they found one fragment that contained an entire serial number.<br />
The investigation took time. But when the results came back, they were stunning: The Stinger tracked back to a lot that had been signed out by the CIA </em><br />
While there was internal opposition in the US to arming AlQuida directly, the well funded Saudis and related Wahaabiists  appear to have no such qualms. The more MANPADs the better.<br />
Which would explain Russia&#8217;s decision to no longer delay removing these threats from Syrian soil</p>
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		By: P Bobby		</title>
		<link>https://off-guardian.org/2016/10/07/putins-ultimatum-to-us/#comment-53708</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Oct 2016 13:08:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The point here, and it is made by inference, is that all nations are seemingly coming to an acceptance of -- even ready to embrace -- multipolarity. All except one, that is. Empires don&#039;t die wondering. They just don&#039;t ... or can&#039;t. Our mind tricks us into the belief that the status quo will continue, ad infinitum. And so their head is stuck in unipolar wonderland. And it&#039;s not easy, when you are used to stretching your limbs, to have to tuck your legs in and to fold your arms to make room for others. The good news (there is good news? you ask) is that after the bombs bring stalemate, a multipolar world is a real possibility. The clean-up bill wont be pretty, of course.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The point here, and it is made by inference, is that all nations are seemingly coming to an acceptance of &#8212; even ready to embrace &#8212; multipolarity. All except one, that is. Empires don&#8217;t die wondering. They just don&#8217;t &#8230; or can&#8217;t. Our mind tricks us into the belief that the status quo will continue, ad infinitum. And so their head is stuck in unipolar wonderland. And it&#8217;s not easy, when you are used to stretching your limbs, to have to tuck your legs in and to fold your arms to make room for others. The good news (there is good news? you ask) is that after the bombs bring stalemate, a multipolar world is a real possibility. The clean-up bill wont be pretty, of course.</p>
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		By: elenits		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Oct 2016 05:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://off-guardian.org/2016/10/07/putins-ultimatum-to-us/#comment-53706&quot;&gt;damien&lt;/a&gt;.

Maybe. I really don&#039;t believe the fairy story of Obama-the-isolated-good-guy. Rather this fairy tale of warring internal factions is handy cover for wriggling out of US cock-ups in the same way that every brutal bombing of civilians (or recently Syrian army soldiers during a ceasefire) is mea culpa an &quot;accident&quot;.
In fact it was immediately clear to the ROW that the Sarin attacks were a foreign sabotage designed to exactly (and far too obviously) cross Obama&#039;s random red line and thus provide an R2P excuse for USA/NATO/ to openly declare war on Syria on behalf of Greater Israel. It was eminently obvious to non-Americans (i.e. ROW) that Assad would NOT gas his own people - especially children!! - and especially not at the same moment that the chemical weapons inspectors&#039; plane touching down in Damascus.
So this act of sabotage and war crime didn&#039;t fly: it was clear that it was the work of the Americans. And the no vote of the UK parliament was the clincher. And so Washington cut its losses. Enter Obama-the-good and the &quot;warring factions&quot;...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://off-guardian.org/2016/10/07/putins-ultimatum-to-us/#comment-53706">damien</a>.</p>
<p>Maybe. I really don&#8217;t believe the fairy story of Obama-the-isolated-good-guy. Rather this fairy tale of warring internal factions is handy cover for wriggling out of US cock-ups in the same way that every brutal bombing of civilians (or recently Syrian army soldiers during a ceasefire) is mea culpa an &#8220;accident&#8221;.<br />
In fact it was immediately clear to the ROW that the Sarin attacks were a foreign sabotage designed to exactly (and far too obviously) cross Obama&#8217;s random red line and thus provide an R2P excuse for USA/NATO/ to openly declare war on Syria on behalf of Greater Israel. It was eminently obvious to non-Americans (i.e. ROW) that Assad would NOT gas his own people &#8211; especially children!! &#8211; and especially not at the same moment that the chemical weapons inspectors&#8217; plane touching down in Damascus.<br />
So this act of sabotage and war crime didn&#8217;t fly: it was clear that it was the work of the Americans. And the no vote of the UK parliament was the clincher. And so Washington cut its losses. Enter Obama-the-good and the &#8220;warring factions&#8221;&#8230;</p>
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		By: damien		</title>
		<link>https://off-guardian.org/2016/10/07/putins-ultimatum-to-us/#comment-53706</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[damien]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Oct 2016 02:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://off-guardian.org/2016/10/07/putins-ultimatum-to-us/#comment-53702&quot;&gt;John&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;em&gt;I doubt that Obama will want to vacate the White House having caused military conflict with Russia. His replacement – Clinton, for example – might be another story.&lt;/em&gt;
Obama didn&#039;t do this on his own. He had all kinds of advocates -- the State Department, CIA, The Pentagon, neocons and Israel backers, Middle East countries like Saudi Arabia and Turkey, John McCain, the Republicans and the National Endowment of Democracy -- all promoting the idea.
When the 2013 Ghouta sarin gas attacks happened all of these groups were pressing Obama to send in US forces -- that Assad had &quot;crossed the red line&quot; of chemical weapons usage. Obama didn&#039;t want to do it but was being pressured to do so. Only an adroit move by Putin saved his bacon. Putin offered to get Assad to give up all his chemical weapons, which he did. (Btw, al Nusra did the sarin attacks, not Assad).
Please be clear about this. Hillary Clinton was a major driver of increased US involvement. She more than anybody was pushing the idea of no-fly zones and other confrontational strategies. As President you can expect from her a major US-Russia conflict over Syria.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://off-guardian.org/2016/10/07/putins-ultimatum-to-us/#comment-53702">John</a>.</p>
<p><em>I doubt that Obama will want to vacate the White House having caused military conflict with Russia. His replacement – Clinton, for example – might be another story.</em><br />
Obama didn&#8217;t do this on his own. He had all kinds of advocates &#8212; the State Department, CIA, The Pentagon, neocons and Israel backers, Middle East countries like Saudi Arabia and Turkey, John McCain, the Republicans and the National Endowment of Democracy &#8212; all promoting the idea.<br />
When the 2013 Ghouta sarin gas attacks happened all of these groups were pressing Obama to send in US forces &#8212; that Assad had &#8220;crossed the red line&#8221; of chemical weapons usage. Obama didn&#8217;t want to do it but was being pressured to do so. Only an adroit move by Putin saved his bacon. Putin offered to get Assad to give up all his chemical weapons, which he did. (Btw, al Nusra did the sarin attacks, not Assad).<br />
Please be clear about this. Hillary Clinton was a major driver of increased US involvement. She more than anybody was pushing the idea of no-fly zones and other confrontational strategies. As President you can expect from her a major US-Russia conflict over Syria.</p>
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		By: damien		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[damien]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Oct 2016 02:05:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The U.S is painting their F/A-18&#039;s to match the paint schemes of Russian jets in Syria. Is there a false flag incident in the offing?
http://www.moonofalabama.org/2016/10/is-the-us-preparing-a-false-flag-bombing-in-syria.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The U.S is painting their F/A-18&#8217;s to match the paint schemes of Russian jets in Syria. Is there a false flag incident in the offing?<br />
<a href="http://www.moonofalabama.org/2016/10/is-the-us-preparing-a-false-flag-bombing-in-syria.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.moonofalabama.org/2016/10/is-the-us-preparing-a-false-flag-bombing-in-syria.html</a></p>
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		By: damien		</title>
		<link>https://off-guardian.org/2016/10/07/putins-ultimatum-to-us/#comment-53704</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[damien]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Oct 2016 01:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt; On October 5, a strategic meeting of the so-called Principals Committee  (tantamount to a War Cabinet) met behind closed doors at the White House. In attendance: senior officials (Secretary level) from the Pentagon, CIA, Joint Chiefs of Staff, State Department and top national security advisors of the White House.
On the agenda: a proposal earlier voiced by the US state Department to directly attack Syrian government forces and military facilities, inevitably implying the possibility of direct military confrontation with Russia as well as a process of escalation.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
http://www.globalresearch.ca/air-strikes-against-syria-who-are-the-war-criminals-who-is-supporting-al-qaeda-russia-or-america/5548799
Looks like the Americans are gearing up for military confrontation.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> On October 5, a strategic meeting of the so-called Principals Committee  (tantamount to a War Cabinet) met behind closed doors at the White House. In attendance: senior officials (Secretary level) from the Pentagon, CIA, Joint Chiefs of Staff, State Department and top national security advisors of the White House.<br />
On the agenda: a proposal earlier voiced by the US state Department to directly attack Syrian government forces and military facilities, inevitably implying the possibility of direct military confrontation with Russia as well as a process of escalation.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/air-strikes-against-syria-who-are-the-war-criminals-who-is-supporting-al-qaeda-russia-or-america/5548799" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.globalresearch.ca/air-strikes-against-syria-who-are-the-war-criminals-who-is-supporting-al-qaeda-russia-or-america/5548799</a><br />
Looks like the Americans are gearing up for military confrontation.</p>
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		By: damien		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Oct 2016 01:53:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Putin is looking to trade 13 people to the US for 2 in return. He wants Russian arms dealer Viktor Bout and a drug-running pilot, Konstantin Yaroshenko, men who may or may not have dirt on Russia&#039;s leadership. Bout is serving 25 years in a US prison for arms trafficking, Yaroshenko for drug trafficking. Both were captured outside the US and illegally transported there for trial.
One of the 13 offered in exchange is a Russian-American businessman, &lt;a href=&quot;https://themoscowtimes.com/articles/a-diamond-heist-russian-gun-smuggling-and-donald-trump-55005&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Gennady Klotsman&lt;/a&gt;, who got 10 years in a Russian jail for a failed jewel story robbery in Moscow in 2010.
Normally, the US wouldn&#039;t even consider such a trade. But here&#039;s where it gets interesting. Gennady Klotsman is a close business associate of &lt;a href=&quot;http://tinyurl.com/hl3nk9u&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Felix Sater&lt;/a&gt;, a reported US-Russian crime figure and close associate of Donald Trump. Klotsman and Sater are also very close and have had a long friendship.
You never know your luck in the big city. A Trump win could see Klotsman coming home courtesy of The Donald.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Putin is looking to trade 13 people to the US for 2 in return. He wants Russian arms dealer Viktor Bout and a drug-running pilot, Konstantin Yaroshenko, men who may or may not have dirt on Russia&#8217;s leadership. Bout is serving 25 years in a US prison for arms trafficking, Yaroshenko for drug trafficking. Both were captured outside the US and illegally transported there for trial.<br />
One of the 13 offered in exchange is a Russian-American businessman, <a href="https://themoscowtimes.com/articles/a-diamond-heist-russian-gun-smuggling-and-donald-trump-55005" rel="nofollow">Gennady Klotsman</a>, who got 10 years in a Russian jail for a failed jewel story robbery in Moscow in 2010.<br />
Normally, the US wouldn&#8217;t even consider such a trade. But here&#8217;s where it gets interesting. Gennady Klotsman is a close business associate of <a href="http://tinyurl.com/hl3nk9u" rel="nofollow">Felix Sater</a>, a reported US-Russian crime figure and close associate of Donald Trump. Klotsman and Sater are also very close and have had a long friendship.<br />
You never know your luck in the big city. A Trump win could see Klotsman coming home courtesy of The Donald.</p>
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