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Slouching toward war with Russia

from the Nation.com

https://audioboom.com/boos/5128734-tales-of-the-new-cold-war-options-on-the-syria-table-stephen-f-cohen-nyu-princeton-university-eastwestaccord-com

Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
The darkness drops again but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born? W B Yeats, The Second Coming

Nation Contributing Editor Stephen F. Cohen and John Batchelor continue their weekly discussions of the new US-Russian Cold War. (Previous instalments are at the Nation.com)
The focus is on the Obama administration’s termination of months-long negotiations with Moscow for a joint US-Russian campaign against jihad terrorist forces in Syria. The discussion ranges from Syria to other fronts in the new Cold War, with Cohen making the following points:
§ Cooperation in Syria would have been the first major episode of détente in the new Cold War, indeed the first US-Russian military alliance since World War II, whose spirit might have spread to the dangerous conflicts in Ukraine and on Russia’s border with Eastern Europe, where NATO continues to build up its forces. The long-negotiated Syrian agreement was sabotaged not by Russia, as is alleged in Washington and by the mainstream media, but by American enemies of détente, first and foremost in the Department of Defense. DOD’s opposition was so intense that one of its spokesmen told the press it might disobey a presidential order to share intelligence with Moscow, as called for by the agreement, in flagrant violation of the US constitution. (A New York Times editorial not only failed to protest this threat but seemed to endorse it. Other major media seemed not even to notice the possibility of such a constitutional crisis, another indication of how badly the new Cold War, and the demonization of Russian President Putin, has degraded the US political-media establishment.)
§ The consequences of failed diplomacy in Syria are already evident. American politicians and media are calling for military action against Russian-Syrian forces, in particular, imposition of a “no-fly zone,” which would almost certainly lead to war with Russia. Others call for more economic sanctions against Russia, perhaps to ward off growing West European attitudes favoring an end to existing sanctions. In any event, developments in Syria have now deepened the new Cold War in words and deeds, and this is the case in Moscow as well. Putin, who has long pursued negotiations with the West over the objections of his own high-level hardliners, now seems resolved to destroy the jihadist forces encamped in Aleppo without the American partner he had hoped for. Meanwhile, talk of war also fills Russian media, and the Putin government has just began a highly unusual nation-wide “civil defense” exercise to prepare the country for that eventuality.
§ In short, the collapse of diplomacy in Syria has fully remilitarized US-Russian relations and brought the countries closer to war than at any time since the Cuban Missile Crisis. Unlike during the preceding Cold War, none of this is being discussed critically in establishment American media. The Times and The Washington Post, for example, publish articles and editorials, one after the other, declaring Putin to be an “outlaw” and “rogue” leader unfit to be an American partner on any front. In the mainstream, no one proposes § or is permitted to propose—any rethinking of US policies that may have contributed to this dire situation. No one asks, for example, if the Kremlin might be right in insisting that the overthrow of the Assad government, the primary US goal, would only strengthen terrorist forces in Syria, whose defeat is Moscow’s primary objective. In this connection, Moscow charges that détente in Syria failed in large part because Washington and its allies continue to arm and coddle, directly or indirectly, Syrian terrorists and their “moderate” anti-Assad abettors. This factor, for which there is considerable evidence, also is not explored or discussed in the US media, even in a presidential election year. Instead, CBS News’s 60 Minutes, which, like the Times, was once a gold standard of professional American journalism, recently broadcast a nuclear warmongering segment giddily marveling that the United States would soon have more “usable” nuclear weapons to deploy against Russia.
§ Cohen and Batchelor end by wondering, yet again, where was the publicly silent President Obama while his proposed détente was being killed by members of his own administration? Russians and West Europeans are also asking this question.


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scottyjdid
scottyjdid
Oct 28, 2016 11:17 AM

I think most of us “Westerners ” Especially Europeans understand at this point the reality of America and her allies have become a self destructive empire, the gargantuan military infrastructure developed since 9/11 needs justification to exist, if the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail. Mr Putin has always commanded respect from me in his opinions and public statements , I am always amazed at the level of respect given to us even though NATO and the US have broken every promise made to Russia since the end of the Second World War. And we now have extremely fast and easy access to information, anyone with the motivation for truth can discover the obscure history of most modern major wars, and find that pushes for war normally preclude world changing financial collapses and threats, usually starts with an unlikely attack on us or… Read more »

Kathleen Lowrey
Kathleen Lowrey
Oct 9, 2016 6:18 PM

Meanwhile, the U.S. election is debated on the important issue of trashy sex talk: pro or con? That we are being funneled toward an outcome where it is your patriotic duty as an opponent of trashy sex talk to vote for somebody who has been, for years and years and years, advocating every grisly military intervention and war crime possible is not ever discussed including on putatively serious media outlets. This at a time when the possibility of real nuclear war actually looms. Nukes are something else we never talk about anymore: remember when The Day After was a major media event across the political spectrum?

Jeff
Jeff
Oct 9, 2016 4:56 PM

A small part from Dumitru Duduman’s Testimony. A Warning from GOD… see…. http://www.ubm1.org/?page=dumi… He said, “I brought you to this country. Dumitru, I want to wake up a lot of people. I love this country. I love the people. I want to save them. America will burn.” I said, “How can I save them? I can’t even speak their language? Who knows me here? How will they call me?” He said, “Don’t worry. I will be ahead of you. I will make great healings among the American people. You will go to television stations, radio stations and churches. Tell them everything I tell you. Don’t hide anything. If you try to hide anything I will punish you. America will burn.” “How will America burn? It is so powerful.” He said, “The Russian spies have discovered where the most powerful nuclear missiles are in America. It will start with the world… Read more »

John
John
Oct 9, 2016 4:12 PM

Whatever his original intentions domestically, Obama has failed as a US President to make life any better for most US citizens. His Obamacare project has been largely shredded. His attempts at gun control have been an absolute failure. The US infrastructure – roads, rails and rivers – is an unmitigated disaster at the end of his term. The only scope left him by a recalcitrant Congress and US Supreme Court has been in the field of foreign affairs. History will judge him as a weak President – he failed to stand up to all the special interests in Washington DC. That is why his foreign policy legacy will long be remembered – more for his failures than his few successes. Are all future US Presidents condemned to the same fate as him? I think so as the “system” has been structured to ensure that all US Presidencies are failures. Putin… Read more »

BigB
BigB
Oct 9, 2016 2:51 PM

Talking of Obama – does anyone know where he is? I don’t mean his physical location – I mean wheres his head at? Reading around today, it seems that the in-fighting factions of the Pentagon are fighting the in-fighting factions of the Whitehouse – to fill the power vaccuum he’s left. He seems to have gone AWOL. I thought that Plan B was the balkanisation of Syria – not the balkanisation of American politics!

elenits
elenits
Oct 10, 2016 4:16 PM
Reply to  BigB

Maybe Obama was always AWOL? Except for when they wheel him out in public.

Jim Porter
Jim Porter
Oct 9, 2016 11:22 AM

When it’s nuclear, there is no such thing as a winnable war – there are three sides, the side that gets killed immediately, the side that dies in agony within the month and the side that stays in the bunkers for 5000 years. Not sure which of these is the winner

Mick McNulty
Mick McNulty
Oct 9, 2016 1:24 PM
Reply to  Jim Porter

True. The elite don’t realize that dying last isn’t the same as survival. I just hope when the bombs stop falling the Russians, Chinese and Iranians send army engineers over to the US to breach those tunnels. They’ll have time, several years if necessary, and once breached they should divert large bodies of water into them to drown the occupants like rats.

binra
binra
Oct 9, 2016 2:47 PM
Reply to  Jim Porter

When it’s clear there is no such thing as a winnable war – the setting of nations and peoples and individual minds against each other or themselves in order to break them up, bring them to ruin and leave the ‘banker’ in control will no longer be possible. But the conditioned mind that automatically gives itself to conflict is a sort of blind golem that cleverer people can set up and operate – and they do. But if conflict is the root identity – then peace will never come of it – and perpetual war as the mind of the isolated ‘victor’ may reveal hell indeed when undone of its narrative self-specialness by which to outsource its own denials onto others. The management of conflict – as the management of sickness – has no intention of true resolution and operates the belief that such resolution is impossible excepting ultimate and… Read more »

binra
binra
Oct 9, 2016 3:41 PM
Reply to  Jim Porter

Though the firebombing of Hiroshima immediately preceding the dropping of the ‘gadget’ as it was called by the secret and fragmented team who brought it through, opens some doubt as to whether in fact it was a huge psyop – and photos do not show what would be expected from one huge central blast – such as a huge crater – I felt to say that a recent study on survivors (some in their in their 90’s )generally had a few months difference in life expectancy to a control group from elsewhere. I also note that the hugely negative impact assigned to Chernobyl is not borne out by the mammalian or other wildlife. Figures vary wildly in reporting. I might add other hugely negative assignment that have a negative voodoo effect just as if they were in fact deadly. Just the ‘diagnosis’ can and does kill. One cannot and should… Read more »

Jim Porter
Jim Porter
Oct 9, 2016 6:33 PM
Reply to  binra

Just a few details – no craters as they (Little boy and Fat Man) were set off half a klik above ground level, and their explosive strength was in the 15-20 kiloton range and the normal size these days are measured in megatons. The radioactive dust that is thrown up by these would get blown around the planet – planet Earth lives, humans die

Greg Bacon
Greg Bacon
Oct 9, 2016 11:10 AM

From an April 2003 Haaretz article: The war in Iraq was conceived by 25 neoconservative intellectuals, most of them Jewish, who are pushing President Bush to change the course of history. Two of them, journalists William Kristol and Charles Krauthammer, say it’s possible. This is a war of an elite. [Tom] Friedman laughs: I could give you the names of 25 people (all of whom are at this moment within a five-block radius of this office) who, if you had exiled them to a desert island a year and a half ago, the Iraq war would not have happened. http://www.haaretz.com/news/features/white-man-s-burden-1.14110 All one has to do is to change Iraq with Libya, then Syria and this news story stays current. What Tom Friedman finds funny about that war–Iraq–that makes him laugh is beyond me. Maybe if Mr. Friedman were to experience first-hand the sheer terror of fleeing from artillery shells falling… Read more »

elenits
elenits
Oct 10, 2016 4:19 PM
Reply to  Greg Bacon

Thanks for the link Greg.
Thomas Friedman is a time-serving bumboy to the 25 “intellectuals” changing the course of history. Old news.

paulcarline
paulcarline
Oct 9, 2016 9:43 AM

What I miss is any mention of Israel, its part in the Syrian conflict (it is known to be supporting the mercenaries and could be arming them), and how it is likely to react in the event of a military clash between the US (and its allies?) and the Syrian and Russian forces.
It’s rumoured that Israel was/is hoping to ‘acquire’ a slice of a dismembered Syria and certainly has no interest in seeing its strongest supporter suffer a humiliating defeat at the hands of the Russian forces. Would Israel use its nuclear weapons (possibly mini-nukes)?
Any thoughts?

John
John
Oct 9, 2016 1:57 PM
Reply to  paulcarline

Genie Energy Ltd. is an American energy company headquartered in Newark, New Jersey. It is a holding company comprising Genie Retail Energy, a retail energy provider in the United States, and Genie Oil and Gas, which develops conventional oil and oil shale projects in the United States, Mongolia, Israel and in the occupied Golan Heights…..Genie Energy’s Strategic advisory board is composed of: Dick Cheney (former vice president of the United States), Jacob Rothschild, 4th Baron Rothschild, Rupert Murdoch (media mogul and chairman of News Corp), James Woolsey (former CIA director), Larry Summers (former head of the US Treasury), and Bill Richardson, an ex-ambassador to the United Nations and energy secretary.[2] Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genie_Energy. Genie – and others – need Israel military control over the Golan Heights and control through terrorists through the remainder of Western Syria to pipeline oil and gas to Turkey, from where it can be pipelined into Europe,… Read more »

BigB
BigB
Oct 9, 2016 2:39 PM
Reply to  paulcarline

Isreal covets the Golan Heights – which it has illegally occupied since 1967. Syria wants them back, not least because they are the rightful occupiers – but because most of the water supply for drought stricken Damascus comes from there. The complication – theres oil in them thar’ hills. Check out the board of the parent company prospecting there – Cheney, Murdoch, Jacob Rothschild. Is there no end to the greed of the war-profiteers? http://www.globalresearch.ca/drilling-for-oil-in-the-israeli-occupied-region-of-syrias-golan-heights-a-violation-of-international-law/5532455 As for the nuclear option – I sincerely hope not – but you have to at least allow for the current Netanyahu regime playing the old Golda Meir card of the ‘Samson Option’ if things got ugly. To that end it would do well to note that the IDF has a shiny (newish) fleet of Dolphin class submarines supplied by Germany (at their own taxpayers expense – guilty consience perhaps?) So it now has the… Read more »

Stephen Sivonda
Stephen Sivonda
Oct 10, 2016 3:07 AM
Reply to  paulcarline

I think they would consider using them… but ONLY if the Zionists judge that they would not have retribution. If it goes to Nukes….it will be very fast and quite comprehensive as to what countries get Russian nuke hits. Think of it like this… you’ve must have seen some Clint Eastwood western movies, and how he faced 3 or 4 gunslingers and blew them away in a few seconds. That will be the outcome of a Nuke war.

Frank
Frank
Oct 9, 2016 9:03 AM

The US intervention when/if it comes will be justified on the grounds of ‘humanitarian intervention’. Modern imperialism’s version of ”The White Man’s Burden.”Something must be done! Of course, this ‘justification’ for will ignore such salient and inconvenient facts as the Saudi’s systematic bombing of Yemen. The US and its allies are nothing if not inconsistent. Additionally, the systematic bombing of civilians is not new and was known as ‘area bombing’ when the British Royal Air Force, Bomber Command and the USAAF carried this policy during the Second World War. Here’s what they said and did. Sir Arthur (Bomber) Harris. Commander in Chief RAF Bomber Command 1942-1945 Invented ‘Area bombing’ of German cities directed against civilian population. Hamburg, 42,000, deaths and Dresden, 22000 deaths, in particular were on the receiving end of fire bombing. • Dresden? Is there such a place any longer? I want to point out that, besides Essen,… Read more »

Stephen Sivonda
Stephen Sivonda
Oct 10, 2016 3:24 AM
Reply to  Frank

Yes, I find it quite strange that WE are now the protector of oppressed countries all around the world. OK…I’m being somewhat facetious . But we do use underhanded techniques to change the leaders and govt’s of so many countries for many ,many years. These actions which are primarily designed to benefit the multi-national corporations have ALWAYS caused death and harm to the civilian populations of those countries. If the US had a REAL MSM source… rather then the corporate club one …American citizens would be aware of the facade called Democracy that is upon us now.

BigB
BigB
Oct 10, 2016 11:21 AM
Reply to  Frank

We mustn’t forget the big RAF propaganda coup – the much vaunted dambusters – taking out the mohne, eder and sorpe dams – flooding the ruhr valley – crippling Germany’s heavy industry. Well, for a few days anyway – nice music though.
We didn’t take out they’re industrial capacity because we needed it — American bankers paid a lot of our money for those machines. Similarly German technologies (developed from American patents) Google Operation Paperclip. It’s worth noting that Werner Von Braun – father of America’s missile / Appolo program was a Major in the SS – Google Dora – Mittleburg

Bjax
Bjax
Oct 9, 2016 8:48 AM

America is a Rogue Terrorist State now. Bankrupt morally and financially, they strut the world like the last days of the Raj. It’s over for them, and they know it. History shows that collapsing countries become more and more extreme as they spiral towards their eventual demise. I think there will be war with Russia, because it’s obvious that the Whitehouse is not running the country. Orders are coming from factions within the Pentagon, which itself is also falling apart from in-fighting. Any war hardened army vet can see that America will not win a war against Russia, and for this reason they are against this course of action. But suited Soros characters continue to use their power to ferment the idea of a winnable war. The mainstream media is bought and paid for long ago, but it is their narrative that the masses follow. As we know, it’s not… Read more »

BigB
BigB
Oct 9, 2016 11:01 AM
Reply to  Bjax

America has won at least one war since 1945 – in Grenada! LOL

binra
binra
Oct 9, 2016 8:29 AM

The war of narrative control operates the ‘continuity of mind’ in what we then experience as time. Mind-control plays out upon bodies, as ascendency ’em’ over ’em’ life yields dawning powerlessness… The ‘victor’ is the last to know. Shall not such reversal be of course itself reversed? The spiral of the widening gyre reaches its zenith, The mind no longer feels, receives or hears its Soul – as Movement of being, of which its entirety is, fragmentation, conflict, and further loss in the attempt to regain or manually replace the hollow – lack, and isolation of ungrounded centre-fold. An innocence of being – of our being… covered and drowned by guilt and blame, fear and hate, war and terror. True witness lost to reactive division in attempt to hide behind intensity of passion. Revisiting The Fall No 2879261 Re-stamping the boot of hate on the face a new epoch, as… Read more »

Norman Pilon
Norman Pilon
Oct 9, 2016 4:53 AM

Reblogged this on Taking Sides.

tommytcg
tommytcg
Oct 9, 2016 3:59 AM

……resolved to destroy the jihadist forces encamped in Aleppo without the American partner he had hoped for. Rollocks. Pres Putin knew all along US was arming, guiding IS.