Ukraine: Neocon ceasefire sabotage fails to change Trump's mind

Hostilities have resumed along the ceasefire line in the rebel-held Donbass region of Ukraine.

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There are serious signs that the Trump administration will continue to seek better relations with Russia. It declines to get involved in the hustling in Ukraine. It is ready to give up on the catastrophic regime-change agenda the neocons implemented in Kiev with the help of Ukrainian Nazi organizations.
Let us recap. On New Year the neo-conservative Senators McCain and Graham were in Ukraine to fire up Ukrainian troops at the front lines for a new fight with Russia supported rebels in Donetsk and Lugansk. A few days later then Vice President Biden also dropped in on Kiev. The three are declared enemies of Trump’s more friendly position towards Russia. They obviously intended to reignite the conflict in Ukraine to sabotage Trump’s new foreign policy.
The former Georgian President Saakashvilli has once fallen for the Bush administration’s incitement and attacked Russian peacekeepers in South Ossetia. When that war went badly he received none of the hoped for backup from Washington and NATO.
Poroshenko should have learned from that. Instead he fell for the incitement and assurances from the senators and restarted the war with the separatists. Multiple news outlets and even Ukrainian generals first admitted that it was the Kiev government that started the current round of fighting by “creeping” into the no-man’s zone that was supposed to separate the belligerents. But as usual the “western” media now try to change history and to put the guilt on Russia. They press for a U.S. “response” to the “Russian aggression”.
At first it looked that this impressed the Trump administration. The new U.S. ambassador to the UN Nikki Haley held a speech that might have been written by her “wailing banshee” predecessor Samantha Powers. It condemned Russia for about everything and promised that sanctions on Russia would stay. But two days later she visited the Russian UN ambassador Churkin in his private home in New York city to make nice. The speech was probably just a head-fake or some uncoordinated screw-up.
The Ukrainian President Poroshenko had tried for several days to get a phonecall scheduled with President Trump. But on Thursday Trump met, very shortly though, Poroshenko’s opposition in Ukraine Yuliya Tymoshenko. She is a former prime minister and – said mildly- a controversial figure: always scheming, lying and ready to be offered and take huge bribes. But with some help she could probably win an election in Ukraine should Poroshenko step down.
Only on Saturday Trump finally had a phonecall with Poroshenko. The very short readout is a blast. It speaks of “Ukraine’s long-running conflict with Russia” and adds:
“We will work with Ukraine, Russia, and all other parties involved to help them restore peace along the border,” said President Trump.
Ukraine’s conflict is not with Russia and the fighting is not along the border. It is a genuine civil war, ignited by a U.S. regime change operation in Kiev, in wich both sides have external support. That Trump does not describes it that way leaves lots of room for interpretation. Is there a new “Russian border” along the current line of the ceasefire? What about the Minsk2 process which Ukraine has failed to implement? What about sanctions?
But the most important points: There is no mention of weapons or other support for Kiev. There is no blame on Russia for the renewed violence at the front-line.
My instant micro interpretation of the readout was:
Trump to Poroshenko (translated): I know you started this on order of McCain/Graham/Biden. Screw you. You will win nothing. You are out.
Poroshenko had fired up his troops and promised to fight the rebels throughout their autonomous area up to the Russian border. The intent behind that was to sabotage Trump’s policies. Poroshenko will now have to revise those plans.
Trump topped the above readout in an interview with Fox news a part of which was previewed last night (partial transcript):
Bill O’Reilly: Do you respect Putin?
President Trump: I do respect him but –
O’Reilly: Do you? Why?
President Trump: Well, I respect a lot of people but that doesn’t mean I’m going to get along with him. He’s a leader of his country. I say it’s better to get along with Russia than not. And if Russia helps us to fight against ISIS, which is a major fight, and Islamic terrorism all over the world – that’s a good thing. Will I get along with him? I have no idea.
O’Reilly: But he’s a killer though. Putin’s a killer.
President Trump: There are a lot of killers. We’ve got a lot of killers. What do you think – our country’s so innocent?
Whoa – Trump is rejecting the U.S. national religion – exceptionalism. The Republicans would have eaten Obama alive had he ever said something like that. “Are you suggesting that Russia which is always killing civilians is morally equal to us who only kill terrorists?” Now the Republicans will be silent about this and the Democrats will howl.
Taken together the recent statements by the Trump administration are positive for renewed U.S.- Russian cooperation. The Ukraine case will be a non-issue. Poroshenko listened to the wrong master’s voice. He will (have to) see the light and leave immediately or he will be kicked out of the way.

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Same old story just a different speaker. Gee Pax-Americana must all think that we the sheeple are all on crystal meth or heroin.More lies and deception . I like many others that have any grey matter and discernment with logic will read this and say GOEBELS GOEBELS GOEBELS. Anglo-zionist propaganda which is on hyper drive . The 86000 elite world oligarchs/anglo-zionist shills r running scared and they need a war at all costs. cuase nufin going to save them when the inevitable correction is going to come. Come rain or snow or sunny day if no war is coming soon they can not manipulate the markets any longer . 500-600 percent correction will come and alot of these robber barons are going to loose big time.


Really, this is not 1929? The “robber baron’s” have drawn the vast percentage of their wealth out of the system – converted it into precious metals, property, or are holding it offshore etc. They stand to lose, but they won’t be throwing themselves off the Empire State building – we will!
We’ll be left with the socialized debt. Our pensions are gone already, our social security and healthcare are rapidly following, our savings will go on the “bail in”, our property and homes stand to be repossessed.
As a pacifist (I know, a dirty word) I’m not condoning perpetual war, just pointing out the bleeding obvious, that the coming “sudden correction” will hit us hardest.


The Guardian lurches rightwards to be more right wing than Boris Johnson, if that was possible. At the same time lamenting the rise of the right and the failure of the liberal chattering classes to combat the right.
Bojo as ever is vague on Ukraine….”so the causes (for the renewed conflict in Ukraine) as you know aren’t quite clear; there’s a bit of murkiness about who initiated that but the UK will be insisting there is no case for relaxation of sanctions…” We all know they’re very clear and nothing to do with Russian, but only expect stenography of the right wing kind at the Guardian.
Don’t worry about the fact that, BoJo may be deranged and confused about many things but the Graun is clear about Russia and Ukraine and happy to keep the Murdoch meme going from Fox news, “Putin is a Killer”
“Over the weekend, Trump defended Putin against the accusation that he is “a killer””
Its been on their main page for 48 hours and finds its way into this report to reinforce the lie.
You can read the potted of fake news trope here: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/06/no-case-for-relaxation-of-russia-sanctions-boris-johnson-to-tell-eu
So no clear analysis about the situation in Ukraine, just right wing Neo – Con bellicose fake news from the Graun:
“Russia annexed Crimea nearly three years ago”
“Federica Mogherini, said the EU would never recognise Russia’s annexation of Crimea from Ukraine, and insisted all sides must respect the Minsk peace agreement” (Spot the fake news here there is only one side compelled to respect the Minsk ll agreement and that is Ukraine.
They even get in the MH-17 SBU infiltrated enquiry, “a Russian missile shot down a Malaysia Airlines plane, killing 298 people.”
No need for any right wing fake news with the Guardian on the case of the Ukraine


Any news, fake or real, on Royal Dutch Shell, John Kerrys’ son in law and Joe Bidens’ son and their gigs with Ukrainian oil, law and other unctuous nexus in Ukraine?


Rhetorical question…I already know the answer…I just wanted to give the pricks up. The force majeure that Shell had on exploration in the MH17 grave sight was a Majestic Move don’t you think?


Fuck the Guardian. I dont even read it any more. Its just a old dear friend who died, because an evil zombie zionist bankster now inhabits its corpse.

Empire Of Stupid

Wow, the Gas Queen vs. the Chocolate King, a true battle of heavyweights.
Wait, wasn’t our dear Yuliya in jail for embezzlement and abuse of power? Tell me again how did she got out? Oh yes, following the very convenient Maidan coup, the charges she was convicted on were declared to be no longer criminal. So that’s all right then.


Here’s a simple school test question, to see who is on the ball with Ukrainian gas.
“A gas company requires all its customers to pay for the gas they have used. Payment is made in the following month, and non-payment is punished by summary disconnection of supply. Bills are compiled on the basis of metred usage. Corporate and domestic customers are treated identically. At the end of the year, how much revenue wll the gas company have collected from its customers?
a) the entire amount needed to pay for the gas used, administration costs, and a fair profit for the company
b) how dare they try to charge us for gas, it’s ours after all, isn’t it?
c) nothing at all. It’s all mysteriously been stolen – but it must be Putin’s fault, of course.”


(d) I would have to get a briefing on How much John Kerrys’ consultancy charges were..so I couldn’t comment at this stage:


When, if ever, will the neo Nazi Kiev regime implement the Minsk agreements?


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Poroshenko is grinning like a Cheshire cat.
Of course the US is happy for Ukrainian nazis to die
Of course the US is happy for Russian ethnics to die
Of course the US is happy for Ukraine to be buried in a mountain of debt to the IMF – all that asset stripping the rest of Europe will get their hands on
Of course the US is happy to see Russia’s borders threatened while it creates another war elsewhere in the world. War is good business.
Lindsey Graham and John McCain could care less about the civilian death toll and are having a fine time making a fool out of Poroshenko while they manipulate him and play to his ego0.
How long would he have US “friends” if he were to decide with Putin to end the war?
About as long as it takes to get him removed from office and “disappeared”, he can share a safe house with Yanukovich.
The Cheshire cat has more brains than this prat Poroshenko.
People wonder why I am unwilling to condemn Trump, this article pretty much paints a picture of what the consequences would have been if Killary had won. Trump may be the lesser of two evils, but as to whether he is as psychotic as the Bush’s and Clinton’s of this world,(which is what Graham and McCain represent) we will just have to wait and see.


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I was hoping something good might come from Trump’s election and now it seems likely it has. If Clinton had won, we would all be knee deep in digging holes in the ground for a nuclear bunkers!


Don’t pop the corks just yet. Where does HR 5732 stand?


Trump has affirmed that he will “absolutely do safe zones” – for civilians or jihadis?
So I must presume that is part of the battle plan that ‘Mad Dog’ Mattis had 30 days to work on from last week. King Salman has got the air con on in his tented city for 3 million.
Do the war torn people of Syria really need another Pentagon plan to ensure their ‘safety’?
FWIW, I say no.


Exactly. Incidentally, Trump et al have decided to distract with a tweaking of the phrase ‘no fly zone’. Kurt Nimmo points out that that’s what safe zones are. And, as we all know, The imposition by the US of no fly zones in Syria equals the US telling Putin that he has to concede defeat in Syria or go to war. If Putin has cut a deal with Trump that we don’t know about – betraying Assad, and more importantly, the Syrian people – and is ready, willing and able to cut his losses in Syria and turn to other matters, so be it. But that’s not a good outcome. Syria will be divided and run by terrorists. Yes, Avoidance of war is a good outcome. But war against imperialists/terrorists bent on regime change forever seems to me to be acceptable, not that I have any use for Putin personally. Anyone who glad hands with Netanyahu can’t be trusted to care in a positive way.


Obviously, I can’t say Putin has cut a deal, but the draft constitution as is, would not be a satisfactory outcome for Syria’s sovereign integrity.
If it is only a draft, and the Syrians do indeed get to write their own constitution (there’s a novelty, and didn’t they just have a new constitution?) no harm done. If it is used as leverage as the basis of the Geneva talks, then that could be quite another. In its current form, it reads more like a draft federalization plan.
Assad might find himself caught between the soft option of a dissatisfactory peace deal, and the hard option that Mathis (a man who thinks “killing is a hoot”) is tasked with putting in place (note: peace talks (If they happen) scheduled for 20th – battle plan due early March. Not much time for consideration or concilliation.)(Further note: some seem to think “safe zones” are a soft humanitarian option – as it may require up to 100,000 US NATO troops (plus full Russian cooperation) to enforce – it looks to me more like a full scale invasion may be on the cards.)
I hope I’m wrong, but it seems plausible at this juncture, that Putin may be prepared to sell Assad (and the Syrian people) short to further his own strategic (dare I say Imperialist) goals.
Time will tell, but in this FUBAR Orwellian world, I hope that the peace is not more costly than the war.


Here’s Trump/aka Homer Simpson, executing (or trying to) his racist Muslim ban in the name of national security, while taking steps to annhilate Syrians’ national security (and saying zilch about Saudi Arabia’s annhilation of Yemen or Israel’s continuing politicide in Palestine), namely the Syrian goverment that is holding back the terrorists from completely taking over Syria. The guy is a harcore liar and hypocrite.


Probably hinges on definition…Wholesale or Retail.