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		By: mohandeer		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Aug 2017 18:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://off-guardian.org/2017/08/02/venezuela-elections-resurgent-chavismo-and-unrecognised-democracy/#comment-38289&quot;&gt;BigB&lt;/a&gt;.

If he doesn&#039;t continue to decline I&#039;ll be withdrawing my support from the Labour Party, writing to him and the Unite Union to explain one or two reasons why Thornberry et al should keep their gobs shut.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://off-guardian.org/2017/08/02/venezuela-elections-resurgent-chavismo-and-unrecognised-democracy/#comment-38289">BigB</a>.</p>
<p>If he doesn&#8217;t continue to decline I&#8217;ll be withdrawing my support from the Labour Party, writing to him and the Unite Union to explain one or two reasons why Thornberry et al should keep their gobs shut.</p>
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		By: BigB		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Aug 2017 09:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://off-guardian.org/2017/08/02/venezuela-elections-resurgent-chavismo-and-unrecognised-democracy/#comment-38286&quot;&gt;BigB&lt;/a&gt;.

http://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Russia-Helps-Venezuela-Fight-Oppositions-Economic-War-20170605-0023.html]]></description>
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<p><a href="http://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Russia-Helps-Venezuela-Fight-Oppositions-Economic-War-20170605-0023.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Russia-Helps-Venezuela-Fight-Oppositions-Economic-War-20170605-0023.html</a></p>
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		By: BigB		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2017 18:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://off-guardian.org/2017/08/02/venezuela-elections-resurgent-chavismo-and-unrecognised-democracy/#comment-38288&quot;&gt;bevin&lt;/a&gt;.

Flawed, but better than the alternative! If the US don&#039;t get the result they want next year: that is when they will go peak regime change, I suspect.
Back home, I see Thornberry and Eagle each put a drop of poison in the chalice: and tried to get Corbyn to drink from it and condemn the Maduro government. He would do well to continue to decline.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://off-guardian.org/2017/08/02/venezuela-elections-resurgent-chavismo-and-unrecognised-democracy/#comment-38288">bevin</a>.</p>
<p>Flawed, but better than the alternative! If the US don&#8217;t get the result they want next year: that is when they will go peak regime change, I suspect.<br />
Back home, I see Thornberry and Eagle each put a drop of poison in the chalice: and tried to get Corbyn to drink from it and condemn the Maduro government. He would do well to continue to decline.</p>
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		By: bevin		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2017 17:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://off-guardian.org/2017/08/02/venezuela-elections-resurgent-chavismo-and-unrecognised-democracy/#comment-38284&quot;&gt;BigB&lt;/a&gt;.

Excellent points. The country is still infested with Latifundia. An immediate, radical   and comprehensive land reform would not only undercut the bases of oligarchy but also solve supply problems.
 In the mean time I have no doubt that contra-guerrilla bands, armed to the teeth and earning vast salaries have been sneaked over the Guyanese and Colombian borders to undertake the normal &#039;regime change&#039; operations (see Libya and Syria, Ukraine etc).
 It is essential that Corbyn not allow himself to be panicked by the right wing Blairite scum  (to put it very mildly) who in Colombia sided with the death squads and para-militaries, sponsored by the US and the narco-feudalists against FARC.
 Labour would do well to send a mission of enquiry to Caracas to meet with, inter alia, Trade Union and Socialist parties and educate the people on history of the region and the aspirations and achievements of the (flawed though it may be) Bolivarian government.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://off-guardian.org/2017/08/02/venezuela-elections-resurgent-chavismo-and-unrecognised-democracy/#comment-38284">BigB</a>.</p>
<p>Excellent points. The country is still infested with Latifundia. An immediate, radical   and comprehensive land reform would not only undercut the bases of oligarchy but also solve supply problems.<br />
 In the mean time I have no doubt that contra-guerrilla bands, armed to the teeth and earning vast salaries have been sneaked over the Guyanese and Colombian borders to undertake the normal &#8216;regime change&#8217; operations (see Libya and Syria, Ukraine etc).<br />
 It is essential that Corbyn not allow himself to be panicked by the right wing Blairite scum  (to put it very mildly) who in Colombia sided with the death squads and para-militaries, sponsored by the US and the narco-feudalists against FARC.<br />
 Labour would do well to send a mission of enquiry to Caracas to meet with, inter alia, Trade Union and Socialist parties and educate the people on history of the region and the aspirations and achievements of the (flawed though it may be) Bolivarian government.</p>
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		By: BigB		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2017 15:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://off-guardian.org/2017/08/02/venezuela-elections-resurgent-chavismo-and-unrecognised-democracy/#comment-38285&quot;&gt;writerroddis&lt;/a&gt;.

Of course, the other problem (with no sovereign income) is foreign debt. If China-Russia could find a way to restructure/write-down foreign debt; so that loans became available to the people - not just creditors: that would be the really humanitarian thing to do. :-)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://off-guardian.org/2017/08/02/venezuela-elections-resurgent-chavismo-and-unrecognised-democracy/#comment-38285">writerroddis</a>.</p>
<p>Of course, the other problem (with no sovereign income) is foreign debt. If China-Russia could find a way to restructure/write-down foreign debt; so that loans became available to the people &#8211; not just creditors: that would be the really humanitarian thing to do. 🙂</p>
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		By: BigB		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2017 14:39:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://off-guardian.org/2017/08/02/venezuela-elections-resurgent-chavismo-and-unrecognised-democracy/#comment-38285&quot;&gt;writerroddis&lt;/a&gt;.

Indeed, the realpolitik of the situation is that Russian and Chinese investment is more humane (I&#039;ve taken my environmentalist hat off for the day!) If US corpo-fascism were to get in: overnight 95+% of the people would become disposable. Including the ones that are currently rioting for US intervention. Land reform would be stopped and the people made dependant on imported USAID. They might get toilet paper back on the shelves, but that is the only benefit I can see!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://off-guardian.org/2017/08/02/venezuela-elections-resurgent-chavismo-and-unrecognised-democracy/#comment-38285">writerroddis</a>.</p>
<p>Indeed, the realpolitik of the situation is that Russian and Chinese investment is more humane (I&#8217;ve taken my environmentalist hat off for the day!) If US corpo-fascism were to get in: overnight 95+% of the people would become disposable. Including the ones that are currently rioting for US intervention. Land reform would be stopped and the people made dependant on imported USAID. They might get toilet paper back on the shelves, but that is the only benefit I can see!</p>
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		By: writerroddis		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2017 13:59:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://off-guardian.org/2017/08/02/venezuela-elections-resurgent-chavismo-and-unrecognised-democracy/#comment-38284&quot;&gt;BigB&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;Capitalism and Socialism don’t mix. The neoliberal ‘Third Way’ (“capitalism with a human face” – Hugo Chavez) offers the worst of both worlds.&quot;
Couldn&#039;t agree more. Such hopes as I have rest in the main on the challenge to US imperialism from China and Russia. It&#039;s not that I see those two as more humane, just that the world desperately needs a counterbalance to the most dangerous empire the world has ever known.]]></description>
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<p>&#8220;Capitalism and Socialism don’t mix. The neoliberal ‘Third Way’ (“capitalism with a human face” – Hugo Chavez) offers the worst of both worlds.&#8221;<br />
Couldn&#8217;t agree more. Such hopes as I have rest in the main on the challenge to US imperialism from China and Russia. It&#8217;s not that I see those two as more humane, just that the world desperately needs a counterbalance to the most dangerous empire the world has ever known.</p>
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		By: BigB		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2017 13:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;&quot;...only radicalisation will ensure the survival of the Bolivarian Revolution.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;
That, and economic diversification. I don&#039;t know the solution: but I do know the problem - oil. When 65% of your sole export goes to your cultural enemy - the ultra-Capitalist USA - you are always going to have problems. Especially when the globally manipulated price of oil crashes (to sanction Russia (epic fail!) or to favour US shale production, for instance) - and you find yourself at economic war with the very country that holds the economic purse strings to your economy ($$$)...
In this case, the only short term diversification available is who you sell the oil to. China has already extended a $50bn lifeline. Will they extend that? I don&#039;t know, but they could. As I understand it, the issue at hand is to change the Constitution to allow Rosneft in to expand its operations in the Orinoco Oil Belt (selling oil independently of the state owned PDVSA [FT-paywall]) Which is also exactly what Tillerson (Exxon) and Mnuchin ($$$) want. Will they allow Russia and China further in??? No way, Senor Maduro...
America is (as usual) dealing from the bottom of a crooked deck: with an ace up the sleeve. They could spite their face and deny the country dollars overnight; something they stopped short of doing in their latest sanctions. Their tactic seems to be to starve Chavismo for a few more months until next years Presidential Elections. Then bring the really crooked &#039;Diebold&#039; voting machines - to get a &#039;fair&#039; result. You know, the one they paid for... Judging from Ricardo&#039;s article: that tactic may not work...
There is a lesson for all of us here. Capitalism and Socialism don&#039;t mix. The neoliberal &#039;Third Way&#039; (&quot;capitalism with a human face&quot; - Hugo Chavez) offers the worst of both worlds. Personally, I would love to see the Bolivarian Revolution &quot;radicalised&quot;... I would love to see Maria Corina Machado working on the production line making toilet rolls in a factory she cooperatively owns. Being pragmatic, that seems an unlikely event in a country ringfenced by the military bases of the world leading rogue terrorist monopoly capitalist nation.
It&#039;s not my call, I don&#039;t have the inside knowledge, but it seems to me that for the Bolivarian Revolution to succeed... the continuation and acceleration of Land Reform, food sovereignty, cooperative control of supply chains, and the swiftest move possible to food self-sufficiency and security are the issues of the day??? Because the &lt;a href=&quot;https://venezuelanalysis.com/analysis/4873&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Government&lt;/a&gt; claims of self-sufficiency and the reality don&#039;t seem to add up??? If the oil revenue has dried up, and Maduro needs Russian and Chinese finance capital in return for oil to complete Chavez&#039;s reforms - so be it. The alternative is GMO corpo-fascism with Monsanto, Cargill, Exxon, etc. Under a right-wing oligarchical neoliberal compradorist junta... With Machado in charge???]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8220;&#8230;only radicalisation will ensure the survival of the Bolivarian Revolution.&#8221;</em><br />
That, and economic diversification. I don&#8217;t know the solution: but I do know the problem &#8211; oil. When 65% of your sole export goes to your cultural enemy &#8211; the ultra-Capitalist USA &#8211; you are always going to have problems. Especially when the globally manipulated price of oil crashes (to sanction Russia (epic fail!) or to favour US shale production, for instance) &#8211; and you find yourself at economic war with the very country that holds the economic purse strings to your economy ($$$)&#8230;<br />
In this case, the only short term diversification available is who you sell the oil to. China has already extended a $50bn lifeline. Will they extend that? I don&#8217;t know, but they could. As I understand it, the issue at hand is to change the Constitution to allow Rosneft in to expand its operations in the Orinoco Oil Belt (selling oil independently of the state owned PDVSA [FT-paywall]) Which is also exactly what Tillerson (Exxon) and Mnuchin ($$$) want. Will they allow Russia and China further in??? No way, Senor Maduro&#8230;<br />
America is (as usual) dealing from the bottom of a crooked deck: with an ace up the sleeve. They could spite their face and deny the country dollars overnight; something they stopped short of doing in their latest sanctions. Their tactic seems to be to starve Chavismo for a few more months until next years Presidential Elections. Then bring the really crooked &#8216;Diebold&#8217; voting machines &#8211; to get a &#8216;fair&#8217; result. You know, the one they paid for&#8230; Judging from Ricardo&#8217;s article: that tactic may not work&#8230;<br />
There is a lesson for all of us here. Capitalism and Socialism don&#8217;t mix. The neoliberal &#8216;Third Way&#8217; (&#8220;capitalism with a human face&#8221; &#8211; Hugo Chavez) offers the worst of both worlds. Personally, I would love to see the Bolivarian Revolution &#8220;radicalised&#8221;&#8230; I would love to see Maria Corina Machado working on the production line making toilet rolls in a factory she cooperatively owns. Being pragmatic, that seems an unlikely event in a country ringfenced by the military bases of the world leading rogue terrorist monopoly capitalist nation.<br />
It&#8217;s not my call, I don&#8217;t have the inside knowledge, but it seems to me that for the Bolivarian Revolution to succeed&#8230; the continuation and acceleration of Land Reform, food sovereignty, cooperative control of supply chains, and the swiftest move possible to food self-sufficiency and security are the issues of the day??? Because the <a href="https://venezuelanalysis.com/analysis/4873" rel="nofollow">Government</a> claims of self-sufficiency and the reality don&#8217;t seem to add up??? If the oil revenue has dried up, and Maduro needs Russian and Chinese finance capital in return for oil to complete Chavez&#8217;s reforms &#8211; so be it. The alternative is GMO corpo-fascism with Monsanto, Cargill, Exxon, etc. Under a right-wing oligarchical neoliberal compradorist junta&#8230; With Machado in charge???</p>
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		By: mohandeer		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2017 12:51:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As long as Maduro can unite the many factions within the chavismo with his 9 point policy aims strategy, he will have the power base he needs. The opposition is, so far, shooting itself in both feet  - may they continue to do so for a very long time.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As long as Maduro can unite the many factions within the chavismo with his 9 point policy aims strategy, he will have the power base he needs. The opposition is, so far, shooting itself in both feet  &#8211; may they continue to do so for a very long time.</p>
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