The Battle of Charlottesville?
by Jon Jeter, August 14, 2017
Mothafuckas just gonna have to be mad at me, I don’t give a fuck.
This right here be some bullshit.
Is Trump a neo-fascist? By any critical measure, indeed he is.
But for the life of me, I cannot come up with a single definition of fascism that would NOT also include Obama. I suppose that if we stick to Cobb’s narrow prescriptions of “Nazism” it’s true that we have never before seen a feebler response as Trump’s inaction this weekend, sort of like it’s true that Michael Jordan and John Paxson once combined to score 71 points in a single game.
But for those of us who are NOT sophists and understand Nazism as Germany’s particular expression of fascism, we recognize that there is a seamless continuity between Bush, Clinton, Baby Bush, Obama and the White House’s current occupant.
Was Obama’s failure to prosecute a single police officer for the murders of black and brown people that occurred on his watch some kind of testament to liberal democracy?
That wasn’t Obama who showered billions of dollars on the very bankers who defrauded black Americans of more wealth than at any time since the emancipation proclamation? Who declared the Palestinians “un-people” and campaigned aggressively against their sovereignty at the UN? Allowed Baby Doc to run for president but not Aristide? Installed, LITERALLY, Nazis as the rulers of Ukraine?
As for Trump’s singular moral failings, was it Trump who was told by his own state department that if he sold skin-melting white phosphorous to Saudi Arabia, they would use it on Yemeni women and children, and responded by saying, in effect; “And your point?”
Or what about that amusing little war he started in Africa’s most prosperous country at the behest of Goldman Sachs, in which “white” Africans lynched “black” Africans from light poles, like rednecks in the Jim Crow South?
The fuck outta here with this BULLSHIT! These soft, chicken-and-butter-biscuit Negroes be TRIPPING!!!
Jon Jeter was born at the height of the civil rights movement to African-American parents in the Midwestern United States. A former Washington Post foreign correspondent in southern Africa and South America, he is the author of Flat Broke in the Free Market: How Globalization Fleeced Working People and the co-author of A Day Late and a Dollar Short: Bright Nights and Dark Days in Obama’s Post-Racial America.
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One of the motivations behind the remotion of statues of Robert E Lee and others is being missed.
But harbor’t you missed that you are auto-assigning mogul to ‘Them’ to orchestrate a simulated ‘world’ so as to recede your ain – excepting to become the storyteller to ‘their mogul misstep’ whoever ‘they’ may turn out to be or not be (for we love to personalise into uncomplicated sound v malevolent ‘divide and principle out’ narratives).
One of the motivations behind the removal of statues of Robert E Lee and others is being missed. It is to hide that they were Democrats. This is an attempt to obscure and not illuminate American history, probably motivated by the Democrats to maintain Black Americans as a captive vote.
‘I cannot come up with a single definition of fascism …’ Once you start giving a word more than one definition, it starts losing meaning. Give it many and it becomes nothing more than an insult that obscures rather than illuminates. Fascism was a political movement that arose in Italy after the First World War. The name comes from ‘fascio’ meaning bundle or sheath and symbolised the agricultural worker by referring to a sheath of wheat. It was a form of radical authoritarian nationalism, characterised by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and control of industry and commerce. How much if this definition applies to Trump? Trump is radical in terms of challenging the existing political system. He may well have authoritarian impulses. However, in the current situation, he is challenging, not being supported by, the state. Clearly he is nationalist. Trump does not have dictatorial power. Whatever the many… Read more »
The modern left in the United States are being ‘played’ by the Democrats, who whilst they employ a slightly different rhetoric than the Republicans, are really part of the same ruling party. A party with two powerful factions that’s ruled the country for over two centuries virtually unchallenged. That’s close to a record. At the moment they are using ‘history’, twisting it and prostituting it, to undermine Trump who is rightly perceived as a threat to the ruling party and both its factions because he represents a challenge and rejection of both of them by huge swathes of the American public. Trump was an upstart that defeated the combined power of the Democratic and Republican establishments and the media that’s loyal to both of them. Also Trump wasn’t an ‘approved candidate’, yet he won and that alone makes him a threat to the status quo. That so many people were… Read more »
The western media, liberals and the left seem to know as much about the Civil War in the United States, as they do about the complex history of the Ukraine and Russia… which is next to nothing at all. We’re witnessing almost a re-run of the Civil War with battle lines being drawn and labels attributed to leaders who are long dead, like Robert E. Lee somehow was a fascist, something that would have horrified him. Lee himself wasn’t a supporter of slavery at all and the overwhelming majority of Southerners didn’t own slaves, so the idea they were fighting to preserve slavery as an institution doesn’t really stand up to scrutiny. Personally I think war is something far worse than slavery. The Civil War cost the lives of well over half a million soldiers, a catastrophic death toll. The destruction was massive and lasted decades. Arguably the condition of… Read more »
If the North didn’t have ‘moral right’ on their side, neither did the South. Both ‘outlooks’ were about the right of the propertied to exploit “labor,” whether enslaved to “wages” or as “property,” for the sole purpose of the further enrichment of the rich. The north wanted to force the South to buy its more expensive industrial product by imposing tariffs on European imports, mainly cheaper British imports, and the Southern monopolists understood that not only would their production costs be thereby increased, but that there profit margins would be further squeezed by counter-tariffs imposed in retaliation on their exports, mainly cotton. Hence the call to secede. So the complex history of the American civil war comes down to bourgeois factions fighting over profit margins, and Robert E. Lee was all about profit margins and the God given right of the few to profit on the backs of the many,… Read more »
The Atlantic has conveniently collated all the Southern Confederate State declarations together: which unambiguously show that slavery was the main reason for the secession. They also do a pretty good takedown of the kindly General Lee myth. He was a white supremacist slave-owner: and a cruel one at that.
Robert E Lee wasn’t a racist or a fascist unless one is determined to stretch the meaning of these terms beyond the normal and into the fantastical and dogmatic. One has to remember that almost everyone in the United States at the time was a racist and a white supremacist, hardly anyone thought that black slaves were equal to white people and that includes Lincoln! It’s a mistake, to put it mildly, to insist on pressing contemporary political and ideological labels and dogmas down over historical events and individuals who would be horrified by them if they could speak and defend themselves and their thoughts and actions, if they weren’t dead. One could see the Civil War as something else, which had only a tangental relationship to the institution of slavery, as a war over who was going to control the growing American empire, a war about power. How centralized… Read more »
Fair enough: Robert E Lee was a man of his time – a racist in a time of racism – and strictly speaking, Fascism had yet to be born. Fascist has become like that other F-word – virtually universal in application and devoid of real meaning. The cogent point about Lee, is not who he was – but what he is becoming – an alt-right icon. And that ain’t pretty… I know weren’t being an apologist for the alt-right: but that is where such revisionism leads… like the re-writing of the Holocaust; or the heroification of Stepan Bandera… that’s why the historical perspective has to be maintained. And let’s not stray into the moral relativism of which is worse: war or slavery? The answer is both. Neither should have a place in the modern world. There is no excuse or revisionistic justification for either: both should be banished back to… Read more »
If history is made by the victors – or indeed the dominance of any particular agenda – then revision is identifying and releasing bias of distortion or fabrication – and is essential to the uncovering of true witness and account. To put ‘history’ out of bounds is to assert a ‘justified’ identity in terms of its narrative. Making ‘religion’ out of an asserted ‘sacrosanct’ history uses guilt to deny, invalidate and manipulate the current narrative within its framing. This works negatively no less – as with ‘anti-fascism’ becoming the trojan face for the same mercantile usurpation of governance and societal institutions. Plunder and dominance drives ’empire’ that then makes idols of self-justification out of anything and everything. The same power struggle persists through the ages in different cultural forms as a result of the ideas embodied (or subverted) in any cultural era. ‘There is nothing new under the Sun’ –… Read more »
Lee wasn’t guilty of anything that Washington and Jefferson weren’t also guilty of: namely, having once owned slaves. Should their monuments come down, too?
Yes. They should indeed “all” come down. Mass murderers, all. In exactly the fashion that their ideological descendants continue to be.
I recommend “Lies my teacher told me” by James W. Loewen for a mind-opening perspective on American history – and the consciousness that makes false or distorted narrative of what happened. There is a genuine case for many monuments to be removed or revised if fake history is to yield to true account.
But I sense the removal of monuments is the removal of flash points for those (of any ‘side’) who use them as a pretext for violence. Hate is blind.
It appears the high level linking with Charlottesville using Nazi/Fascist ‘glue’, undermines the strength of what the author seemingly wishes to say. I assume the piece is about hypocrisy?, if so there are clearer examples without being topical.
Is it Jon Jeter who is doing the high level linking or Jelani Cobb? And what would Cobb have his reader believe? That the reactionary or progressive tenor of American society somehow or other depends upon the moral fiber of the POTUS, and that between Trump and Obama, a gulf separates them, the former being the embodiment of the barbarism that was manifested in Charlottesville, the latter being the embodiment of compassion and high moral rectitude. Except that even only a very cursory glance at the record proves that Obama’s real “legacy” is as fascistic and barbarous as any presidency ever was and will be. Is the theme hypocrisy? Or the fact that the U.S. is in essence and at bottom a fascist regime, and that the thuggery in Charlottesville is a distraction away from where our attention should be focused? And in what possible sense could being “topical” be… Read more »
Fascism is become useless currency as a label in general parlance as a hate term – or something ‘good’ people have to condemn and refuse to communicate with. Likewise racism as a label for evil – when it is fear and self-doubt that project forth in offensive hate or defensive denial. The underlying issue that ‘fascism’ might refer to – in my opinion – is of corporate cartel power projecting through a political front that uses manipulative deceits to nurture, subvert and co-opt the emotional issues of the day or cultural moment while cowing or suppressing or infiltrating and using any ‘resistance’ or opposition. Basically the use of fear of ‘evil’ (justified hate or jihad) – operates shadow power of deceit in the minds of all who want it – for what they believe they get from it – or get away from as a result of allegiance within its… Read more »
I believe the misuse or misdirection of the word fascism is deliberate – or just below the level of consciousness.
Some will deny outright that corporatism plays any part in fascism, despite its defining role. This is a deliberate sleight of hand, designed to disguise the state corporatists and technocrats who actually are maneuvering society in a fascist direction.
Others will defend their right to use it as a political insult, a vague synonym for nationalism or populism. They won’t accept that by devaluing the word they may be assisting in its return in another guise.
There is little hope of persuading people of either tendency to heed Gaspar Tamas’ warning of post fascism and the diminution of the rights of the Enlightenment.
https://www.opendemocracy.net/people-newright/article_306.jsp
But of course any term that is officially used to invalidate an illegitimacy becomes corrupted to use as a weapon of personal power taken by alignment in such meanings accepted.
As long as blame is the essential meaning of a term, its true currency is lost.
Blame cares not where it is directed as long as it remains the currency in which thought runs. In a mind/world predicated upon guilt and punishment, the gaining of power is to the position from which to escape its most feared forms and direct it elsewhere – or focus its effects so as to protect one’s position.
But there is no peace in it’s dictate.
“The underlying issue that ‘fascism’ might refer to – in my opinion – is of corporate cartel power projecting through a political front that uses manipulative deceits to nurture, subvert and co-opt the emotional issues of the day or cultural moment while cowing or suppressing or infiltrating and using any ‘resistance’ or opposition.”
Yes.
And that ‘s why Charlottesville is a distraction and that the real issue is, as you put it, “cartel power projecting through a political front.”
Hello Norman.
Not being distracted by ‘distractions’ must be using them for something else – such as noticing what is going on here! I see that the baits and hooks of deceit have various ways of triggering reaction – and that becomes an educative process of vigilance in love of true.
Whenever a “terror” event is announced breathlessly by the media all around the world 24/7 I head to YouTube and enter “terror event” + “hoax” to see what all the hoax analysts have come up with. I also apply my own simple technique: I ask the question, “What do the media TELL us compared to what they SHOW us?” And one thing I look for is clear evidence of death and injury – if that is what we are told happened. And, what a surprise, there is no clear evidence of death and injury at Charlottesville. I also look for obvious signs of hoaxing that we can determine are being shown to us deliberately by the power elite, for example, completely unbelievable parents as we saw in the parents of victims at Manchester, Sandy Hook and Orlando to name some off the top of my head. As mentioned in another… Read more »
@Flaxgirl: the problem with any fixed POV and personal bias is that you are likely to confirm it every time, and end up narrowing your focus on to what you can find to support your view. It’s a self-reinforcing feedback loop. Or an echo-chamber? That leads you to posting comments that Grenfell Tower was a psyop: it wasn’t. You say that when you hear of an event, you go straight to YouTube: well any idiot with a $30 editing suite can upload a video – and more often than not, they do. Ole Dammergard is a more credible source: but as you know, it can take him months to do a full frame by frame analysis. Professor Nick Kollerstrom and others have destroyed the 7/7 bombing narrative, but it took years. How many millions of man hours are still being applied to counter the fake 9/11 narrative? You can’t come… Read more »
BigB – I admit that I tend to suspect from the outset that a terror event will be staged, however, I still only make an assessment based on evidence and I always keep an open mind. Because YouTube videos are constantly shut down and to have more credibility I try as much as possible to put my links to the original sources. Just because I go to YT doesn’t mean I believe everything there or believe that when someone says X proves Y it really does. It’s just that I rely on YouTubers’ greater skills of observation, I don’t necessarily have access to all the original material and it means I don’t have to wade through all the often nauseating material myself. Please point me to a single clear piece of evidence that Grenfell was real. (I won’t go into my evidence that it wasn’t cos this is not the… Read more »
Too distinctly fishy things about Charlottesville are the fact that the one witness who has dominated MSM coverage turns out to have worked for the State Department and the crashing of this police helicopter (to destroy aerial surveillance footage?).
Of course, the MSM may be using this witness because he can talk well on TV and of course, helicopters do sometimes crash. But the number of strange things and bizarre coincidences that surround these events really does stretch credulity.
Without any convincing evidence that an event is actually real and with a few bits of compelling evidence that it wasn’t, I’m not sure what else is needed. I mean how much evidence do you need and at what point do you say the event is fake? We’re not in a law court, we don’t have to actually provide evidence that’s going to win the case so it’s up to us to simply say when. I don’t see the point in sitting on the fence about it … just in case we’re wrong. I’d rather be proven wrong than sit on the fence.
@Flaxgirl: broadly speaking, we’d be on the same page – and I can’t disprove anything you say. Which is kind of the point: neither can you ‘prove’ anything either. I think a certain amount of intellectual humility is required for us citizen analysts: with no first hand experience of the actual events; or access to primary evidence; or indeed the skills required to process the evidence – we are all just bestguessing… from data streams that are in themselves doctorable and corruptible… As this is a Charlottesville forum: I’d refer you comments I made other day (on the de-Putin-Nazification post); including the picture I posted of the antiFa who was also an alt-right fascist for the day??? Seems to me that both sides were stirring the pot while the police spectated??? Foreign Policy (Soros) are pushing the angle it was a team-Trump LIHOP… after all, Trumps not going to overly… Read more »
Oh my goodness, BIgB. Of course, there was a fire at Grenfell – it’s just the rest that was staged. Please give me evidence of any people injured or killed. I know that the scientists are obliged to put in the effort but when I was arguing with Dave Thomas he was dissing Leroy Hulsey too. You can show the believers anything and they will find a way to get around it. Did not attempt to diss my Occam’s Razor exercise though. And even though we need the scientists to put in the effort and they do an amazing job of it, ultimately it really is a case of the Emperor’s New Clothes. I think your photo says it all BigB – actors for hire. Where is the evidence that Heather Heyer was killed? You see, these operations follow the same MO and they’re never LIHOP (let it happen on… Read more »
And just to add BigB. It might have taken years to destroy the 7/7 bombing narrative, but these events are happening now on a fortnightly basis or similar. WE DONT HAVE YEARS. We have to judge on the evidence easily available – and it’s simply really enough – it’s a false premise to think we have to have this that and the other – if we have NO EVIDENCE of the actuality of the crime and we have SOME EVIDENCE of fakery, that is all we need to call it out. If we’re wrong let the power elite brandish their death certificates. Why are we sitting on the fence worried about people that might have really died when these massive disharmony-fomenting, preparing-for-who-knows-what-types-of-control-measures crimes are going on at a rapid rate RIGHT UNDER OUR NOSES?
We’re almost down to splitting hairs now. LIHOP, MIHOP? It’s becoming clearer that the police-National Guard did zipp: Mintpress have collated at least 5 articles on police inaction. As I previously commented: compare and contrast with DAPL? Dropping the specifics, broadly I agree that it’s not just the right that should unite – but the right, left and centre – against the faceless puppetmasters that are pulling our strings. Gilad Atzmon put a good post on his blog: about the separationism of identity politics creating the new tribalism. I can’t prove anyone died, you can’t prove they didn’t: but we can both see that the entire event was a staged media circus. That’s the common ground… that’s the ‘glue’… I guess we should focus on that??? [BTW: if you want to see a crisis actor in action, take a look at the one who popped up at the Seth Rich… Read more »
I think BigB that there is a significant difference between LIHOP and MIHOP, a very significant difference because perhaps if there were no MIHOPs there would hardly be any potential LIHOP situations to worry about. Francis Richard Conolly states in JFK to 9/11, all terror is manufactured by the state – I don’t know if “all” is too big a call but I think it’s pretty close. Surely, the difference is important. This calling things LIHOP when they’re actually MIHOP drives me crazy. Yes, I know there’s a lot to the Seth Rich story. I can’t make sense of it at all. It occurred to me that if he really were a Republican plant and they faked his death to try to make it look as though Clinton did it, why would she go along with the faking – she’d obviously figure it out. Both sides obviously know it’s faked… Read more »
Grenfell was a real fire. I see no reason to suspect psyop – but that doesn’t mean it did not and does not hit a raw nerve regarding a number of socio-political issues that are timely.
I don’t know how it started but if you watch a documentary made by Adam Curtis in 1984
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/grenfell-tower-fire-1984-documentary-predict-disaster-north-kensington-a7811616.html
You see some of the way corruption operates.
Psychological-emotional shifts also occur as a result of un-orchestrated events.
Binra, of course, the fire was real. No one’s arguing it wasn’t. However, how the fire lit the building up like a torch is not credible as an organic event. We tend to think of firewalls with their metaphorical internet meaning but, of course, the original meaning is that they stop fire spreading in buildings. Fire engineers state that the fire could not have done what it did without help. Allegedly, there were “gas workers” in the building in the weeks before. These people could easily have been operatives who set the building up to go up like a torch, couldn’t they, just like operatives set the three buildings up at the WTC on 9/11 for controlled demolition. There are myriad reasons to suspect that Grenfell was a staged event. People seem to think that’s it only Muslim terrorist events and similar that are staged. No, anything that gets broadcast… Read more »
Also, just as with 9/11, there’s insurance and other money playing greatly in this event.
I have decided to do an Occam’s Razor exercise on Grenfell Tower and through research now I have realised an error. The demolition referred to in my post above on which I based my claim that it explained how the building could have been evacuated, apparently did not apply to the whole building but just to parts sufficient to do refurbishment works (see link) including cladding. This error, however, is not in the least sufficient to make me think my overall hypothesis is incorrect. https://www.rbkc.gov.uk/bconline/buildingControlDetails.do?activeTab=details&keyVal=_RBKC_BCAPR_124682
Hi Flaxgirl – thankyou for articulating your points. I have a question that is open to anyone to offer answer – and that is – if Grenfell’s fire could have been in any way an intended psyop – who benefits and in how? It seems to me to have given more voice to the ‘underclass’ at expense of those supposedly responsible for governance. I can see motivations with other ‘events’ – as new laws or wars are enacted in their wake. Anything the Media give such focus to may be part of taking attention away from something else – whether opportunistic or by design. But then again there are socio-political issues inherent that have come up as a result – and a sense of outrage too. Did you watch the 70’s documentary on the appalling corruption and unfit for purpose workmanship of the first high rise housing blocks – that… Read more »
Binra, I am a boringly prosaic, logical person. I just look at the evidence. The cui bono question is good but we don’t even have to look at it. We can tell from the clear evidence that Grenfell was staged. There is money involved but I don’t know how exactly. And, as I’ve stated, the aim of the power elite is to foment disharmony between groups: rich/poor, left/right, black/white, Muslim/non-Muslim, etc. Divide and conquer. It’s pretty straightforward.
Grenfell is just part of a continuum – and whaddya know we’ve now just had Barcelona on 17 August (less than a week after Charlottesville on 11 August). It is immediately recognisable as a hoax from the blurry video we’re shown. Why would there be blurry video in this day and age? Please, check out the enlightening videos.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=barcelona+hoax
It’s not about getting imbroiled in Grenfell, it’s recognising the whole continuum.
OMG! And now Turku in Finland. It just goes on and on. But maybe, maybe … this one’s a REAL one! No one’s put up a hoax video yet.
But haven’t you missed that you are auto-assigning power to ‘Them’ to orchestrate a fake ‘reality’ so as to lose your own – excepting to become the narrator to ‘their power trip’ whoever ‘they’ may turn out to be or not be (for we love to personalize into simple good v evil ‘divide and rule out’ narratives). That deceits operate as part of the human condition – ing is evident to me – but the nature of the deceit is to hide in the presumption and presentation of knowing – as an assertive displacement from something kept hidden – and ‘protected’ thereby. So regardless ‘they’ do or don’t do whatever they will – or are compelled to do while believing themselves free – I hold vigilance for the peace of an unconflicted being against ‘divide and rule out’ of a mind at war with itself – however ingeniously outpictured. I… Read more »
Hi Binra, The Reply button does not show for your latest comment so I’m replying here.
As I said, Binra, I’m a boringly prosaic person. I’m afraid I don’t really understand your answer although I feel as though I have a faint glimmering of understanding. I’m definitely way too obsessed with these events and I need to concern myself with other things. It would help a lot if they didn’t keep happening all the time though.
Hi Flaxgirl – you said “I just look at the evidence. The cui bono question is good but we don’t even have to look at it.” The danger of using the past to interpret the future is evident in phishing ruse – because it looks like – therefore it is – and looking for these correlations is looking to support a prejudiced or biased belief. Hence it makes more sense to ask pertinent questions or offer challenges to the presented narrative than to put all your chips on a summary judgement that in this or another case could be completely wrong. The cui bono is more than ‘good’ it is essential to understanding who participates in deceits and why – apart from the obvious understanding of perceived self-interest acting on an unstable, false or questionable sense of itself and its world. Fear and division have been operating since the Fall… Read more »
As Jeffrey St. Clair at Counterpunch noted… it’s all in the family.
“It’s instructive to realize that 3 of the last 5 presidents had fathers or grandfathers who were Nazi sympathizers.”
And the one who didn’t was the one who put a bunch of bona fide fascists and neo-Nazis to power in Kiev: something you won’t mentioned in any of the recent CounterPunch articles on fascism in the USA.
In November 2014, UK’s most wanted woman terrorist, Northern-Ireland-born Samantha Lewthwaite was reportedly killed by a Russian sniper in Ukraine. She was involved in training the anti-Russian Ukrainian rebels fighting to defend the US-EU installed Zionist regime in Kiev.
Samantha Lewthwaite, aka ‘White Widow’, a mother of four, became UK Jewish Lobby celebrity in 2005 when her Jamaican-born husband Germaine Lindsay was killed by Scotland Yard as one of the so-called “suicide bombers” involved in July 7, 2005 bombing in London. According to former Israeli Mossad operative, Juval Aviv, it was work of Mossad-MI6. In July 2014, Jane Calvari, investigative journalist and film-maker also told Iran’s Press TV that Mossad and MI6 were behind the 7/7 false flag operation to demonize British Muslim population and make Tony Blair’s military collaboration in Iraq for Israel….
https://rehmat1.com/2014/11/14/white-widow-mi6-mossad-agent-killed-in-ukraine/
Indeed Vaska. I’ve been somewhat suspicious of Counterpunch these last six months, especially after the Caitlin Johnstone debacle. Some of CP’s are …. lets just say, a lot more Guardian than Offguardian!! They’re somewhat resembling the fake left. I’m starting to wonder are they looking for (or already receiving) Soros funding.
It sure isn’t the same publication that it was when Alexander Cockburn was alive.
Behold, the two fascisms, two species, each the indispensable symbiont of the other: that of the ruling class, which is genuine and, for its disproportionate wealth in financial assets and property, wields real and effective power, commanding as it does the heights of all modern bureaucracies, both public and private; and that of the other barely existing kind in terms of absolute and relative numbers, mirroring that of the absolute masters, and that you find among the more gullible, ignorant and brainwashed of the masses, and that further divides into two subranks: on the one hand, into those layers among the bureaucratic technocrats, educated and competent and well remunerated for their obedient and unquestioning service to their fascist masters — the little Joseph Goebbels — and who, like their masters, congratulate themselves for their clear eyed Machiavellian insights into how the world really works; and, on the other hand, into… Read more »
Norm, evidence shows that this was a staged event – see my comment above. Please consider that you might be a little gullible yourself.
Whatever gave you the impression that I’m not keeping myself open to the possibility that Charlottesville might not be in one respect or another something contrived? In fact, in another thread, I suggested as much, but as a possibility as yet unconfirmed, eh.
As for considering the possibility that I might be a little gullible myself, that’s practically a habit with me. No one feels more uncertain about my certainties than myself. I’ve been wrong before, and will be again. Of that I’m certain.
Oh yes I see that in your other post. So sorry, Norman. My sincere apologies.
Supporters of pro-Israel White nationalist Alt-Right held a ‘Unite the Right’ rally in Charlottesville, Virginia on Saturday. Rabbis and Jew students held a protest march nearby to condemn Alt-Right’s support for US president Donald Trump (video below). The confrontation between the ‘Friends of Israel’ resulted in the death of three while 34 other protesters were injured. Local police arrested a 20-year-old White Christian James Alex Fields Jr. of Ohio on charges of ramping a car into protesters – killing a 34-year-old Jew woman protester. James’ mother told police that his son was influenced by his black friends. If that was not enough, two state troopers were also killed when their helicopter, which had been assisting with the police response to the rally, crashed outside the city later in the day. The rally was held in response to city’s plan to remove a statue of Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee from… Read more »
Rehmat1, although I’m personally disgusted by it, I’ve just approved your [typically?] anti-Semitic comment for posting (everything with a link in it needs to be approved).
The fact that we don’t practice censorship here at OffGuardian doesn’t mean we won’t call people out on anti-Semitism and other forms of racism, including what’s so quaintly called Russophobia these days.
Jew woman protester?
Could you be more offensive?
If every pro-Israel idiot is free to call every terrorist a Muslim – why it’s OFFENSIVE to name anti-Trump protester by his/her faith?
There are 10-times more SEMITE people among Muslims and Christians than Jews. So why it’s ANTISEMITE only to expose Israeli or Jewish crimes?
Rehmat, Between you and the Zionists and the fascists you decry, there is very little by which to differentiate. All of you subscribe to a myth of collective identity that does not bear much scrutiny. There are roughly 1 billion so called Muslims in the world living in far flung regions and under vastly different cultural, political, economic and geographical conditions. Are all of these Muslims one and the same? What about all of the Muslims who practice in the same Mosque? Are they all the same? Are there not difference of opinions? On matters of religion or theology? what about on matters of politics? On issues of sexuality or equality between the genders? Are all Muslims intolerant about exactly the same things? Are they all ideological clones of one another, or does each Muslim person have a personality of his or her own? Are not some Muslims tolerant while… Read more »
But in that statement you wre not talking about israel.
My experience of the “right” was a asian family in a council flat in islington, petrol bombed front and back Simultaneously. So with no respect at all i hope it happens to you.
Systemic corruption in every single aspect of our lives is leaving the West floundering in a morass of bigotry, racism, extreme greed and ultimately an unwinnable war waged purely for Corporate profit and the construction of a NWO thereafter, if we are not all obliterated by nuclear war first. That it has come to this is a tragic indictment on humanity, we in the West have benefited from hundreds of years of imperialism, destroying large swathes of 3rd world countries to enrich the psychotically greedy elites who have dominated for centuries culminating now in a crisis of biblical proportions as empires fall and populations wait in vain for some form of leadership that will put their interests first. That will not happen, Western government have now gone beyond the point of no return, headed up by the likes of Trump, May and Macron whose only loyalty is to the Corporate… Read more »
“Money trumps peace.” George Bush.
Straight from the horses mouth:
“In most cases, these six objectives are a synthesis or adaptation of past, current, and projected U.S. defense policy.6 There has been, after all, remarkable consistency in U.S. policy since the fall of the Soviet Union, regardless of which political party occupied the White House.”
At Our Own Peril: DoD Risk Assessment in a Post-Primacy World
https://ssi.armywarcollege.edu/pubs/display.cfm?pubID=1358
This is yet another false-flag hoax. Please, please, please wake up. It’s just part of the old Roman Divide and Conquer, Problem/Reaction/Solution, fomenting of disharmony for greater control techniques that we’re being bombarded with of late. From the very scary Weapons of Mass Surveillance (2017) by Nawal al-Mughafi “The more terrorist incidents there are, the more people will start to see the benefits of favouring security over privacy.” – Major-General Jonathan Shaw “In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations, and epochs it is the rule.” – Friedrich Nietzsche “Terrorism is the best political weapon for nothing drives people harder than a fear of sudden death”. – Adolph Hitler “Why of course the people don’t want war … But after all it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a… Read more »
False Nazi Quotations:
http://bytwerk.com/gpa/falsenaziquotations.htm
Can’t see where my two Nazi quotations are said to be false – but even if they’re falsely attributed or have no recognised source at all, they’re still TRUE.
It wasn’t sais by Hitler.
Reagan, Clinton, Bush, Shrub, Obama, Trump and Thatcher, all symptoms of the disease.
The disease is capitalism.
And it’s gonna kill billions.
Did you know that your bad language detracts from your points rather than enhances them?
Only among people who are silly enough to let “bad language” (or their possible petite Racism) distract them… but any excuse will do, eh?
I like how you got that little insult in using brackets! Man, you must be brave.
it’s not racist to object to ‘bad language’. It would be racist to object to ‘bad language’ from one racial group but not another.
I know what you are going to say: ‘Whitey be crampin the brother’s stride’. So let’s get straight to the point. Tell me how much ‘bad language’ a brother ought to use so that you don’t consider him a sell-out coon.
“‘Whitey be crampin the brother’s stride’.”
A) I’ve never spoken a sentence like that in my life. Is that how you talk when indulging in your Racist Sexual Fantasies?
B) Learn to process information efficiently, regardless of its packaging, and you’ll probably see a slight rise in your Intelligence as a result… maybe even, eventually, out of the dank sinkhole of your moronic Racism. On the other hand, I imagine that you prefer the camaraderie of the sinkhole.
Did you know that tone policing is the preserve of the bland and pointless?