Weiner Laptop Doc: Assange Warrant Issued 2 Weeks After Swedish Election Leaks Warning
from Zero Hedge
Anthony Weiner after sentencing to 21 months in prison for illicit contact with underage girls
A confidential document found on Anthony Weiner’s laptop reveals that the United States Embassy in Stockholm, Sweden expressed concerns in 2010 that WikiLeaks would release classified US documents related to Sweden ahead of the September 19 Swedish election, tipping the vote towards the Pirate Party. The subject of the cable reads “Wikileaks: The Pirate Party’s White Horse Into Sweden’s Parliament?”
On June 29, 2010 a US diplomat met with three members of the Pirate Party – which is described in the cable as a “mixture between communism and libertarianism,” yet whose members are “well-salaried professionals, independent from the party for income.” Two of the “pirates,” according to the report, were active in the “youth branch of the conservative party currently leading government.”
The Embassy cable notes the “grim electoral outlook for Pirates” – as confirmed by a Pirate party member interviewed by the US diplomat…
“…Unless WikiLeaks Saves the Day…”
Two weeks after the cable was sent, an arrest warrant was issued for WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange on sexual assault allegations – which was dropped, then re-issued, then revoked again by Swedish authorities in August 2015 when they dropped their case against him.
Cable found on Anthony Weiner’s Laptop, obtained via Judicial Watch FOIA Cable found on Anthony Weiner’s Laptop, obtained via Judicial Watch FOIA lawsuit
The emergence of this confidential document (found on Anthony Weiner’s laptop and sent while his wife, Huma Abedin, was Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s Deputy Chief of Staff), is disturbing – as it potentially implicates the Obama administration in a conspiracy to silence Julian Assange while Hillary Clinton was Secretary of State – not to mention that it could be the smoking gun in yet another clear case of mishandled information found on imprisoned sexual deviant Anthony Weiner’s laptop the FBI’s Peter Strzok and crew must have somehow overlooked.
A brief timeline of events
- On August 20, 2010, the Swedish Prosecutor’s Office issued an arrest warrant for Julian Assange over a rape allegation – two weeks after the US Embassy met with the Pirate party and had concerns over Assange leaking US secrets. The net day, Swedish cancelled the warrant. “I don’t think there is reason to suspect that he has committed rape,” says one of Stockholm’s chief prosecutors, Eva Finne. Swedish prosecutors did however continue to investigate a separate allegation of molestation, though they felt it was not a serious enough crime for an arrest warrant.
- On September 1, 2010, Swedish Director of Prosecution, Marianne Ny, reopened the rape investigation against Assange.
- On November 18, 2010, Stockholm District Court approved a detention request for Mr. Assange, who had traveled to London. Two days later, Swedish police issued an international arrest warrant.
- On December 8, 2010, Assange is taken into British custody and taken to an extradition hearing. Eight days later, Assange posts bail and walks free in London until May 30, 2012 when the UK Supreme Court rules that he should be extradited to Sweden.
- August 16, 2012, Assange begins his asylum at the Ecuadorian embassy in London – where he has remained for over five years.
- In February, 2016, a UN panel found Assange to be detained unlawfully in the Ecuadorian embassy.
- In May, 2017, Swedish authorities once again dropped their case against Julian Assange, with his Swedish lawyer Per Samuelsson told Swedish media “It is a total victory for Julian Assange,” adding “He is free to leave the embassy whenever he wants.”
Julian Assange holding UN decision
Unfortunately, that’s not going to be quite so easy for the time being – as Assange faces immediate arrest by the UK for skipping bail in his extradition hearing. Moreover, in April of this year, CNN and the Washington Post simultaneously reported that Attorney General Jeff Sessions’ DOJ has prepared criminal charges against Assange over 2010 leaks of diplomatic cables and military documents.
While the DOJ seems intent on locking Assange up, the WikiLeaks founder has also received tremendous support from certain members of congress.
As we reported last week, Congressman Dana Rohrabacher travelled to London in August with journalist Charles Johnson for a meeting with Assange, where Rohrabacher said the WikiLeaks founder offered “firsthand” information proving that the Trump campaign did not collude with Russia, and which would refute the Russian hacking theory.
Rohrabacher brought that message back to Trump’s Chief of Staff, John Kelly, to propose a deal. In exchange for a presidential pardon, Assange would share evidence that would refute the Russian hacking theory by proving they weren’t the source of the emails, according to the WSJ.
However – when Trump was asked in late September about the Assange proposal, he responded that he’d “never heard” of it, causing Rohrabacher to unleash on John Kelly, who he blamed for blocking the proposal from reaching the President. Rohrabacher told the Daily Caller:
I think the president’s answer indicates that there is a wall around him that is being created by people who do not want to expose this fraud that there was collusion between our intelligence community and the leaders of the Democratic Party,” Rohrabacher told The Daily Caller Tuesday in a phone interview
“This would have to be a cooperative effort between his own staff and the leadership in the intelligence communities to try to prevent the president from making the decision as to whether or not he wants to take the steps necessary to expose this horrendous lie that was shoved down the American people’s throats so incredibly earlier this year,” Rohrabacher said.
Contributing to the notion of deep-state interference, CIA director Mike Pompeo referred to WikiLeaks as a “hostile intelligence service” in April, calling Julian Assange “a fraud, a coward hiding behind a screen” for exposing information about democratic governments rather than authoritarian regimes. This quite the ironic statement, considering Pompeo used leaked emails from WikiLeaks as proof “the fix was in” against President Trump.
So – while the Swedish authorities have dropped their case against Assange, and the UN says he’s been unlawfully detained – the UK insists on arresting Assange the moment he steps outside the Ecuadorian embassy for jumping bail on the dropped charges, and the US Department of Justice is reportedly prepared to slap criminal charges on Assange.
Perhaps the establishment is still a bit miffed that the “white wizard” showed the world what’s really underneath the pantsuit, which despite the constant rhetoric of the past year is what ultimately cost Hillary – and so many of her charitable friends – the election.
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Sure: originally posted in comments on the “Sy Hersh Cracks Russia-gate” forum in August. Something scared Hersh: he said he lived in the “real world.” I interpreted that to mean he doesn’t want to be the next caught in a botched robbery.
https://bigleaguepolitics.com/emails-ed-butowsky-pleads-sy-hersh-go-public-knows-seth-rich/
Hersh also distanced himself from Gavin McFadyen and Assange: when he had shared a conference stage with McFadyen in 2016. Hersh is well connected, so I’m intrigued as to why he caught a cold on this?
There was also a seeming crisis actor at Rich’s vigil? Unless the cops normally walk gun shot victims around for identification?
https://www.intellihub.com/eyewitness-i-was-there-when-seth-rich-was-shot-they-walked-him-past-me-he-didnt-even-know-he-was-shot-no-pain/
And don’t forget Shawn Lucas, who served the DNC with papers, also met an untimely death around the same time?
Admin: this was my reply to you from the bottom of the page again. I have no idea why they keep coming in at the top? Another senior moment?
Might as well post a link to McFadyen /Hersh
https://mobile.twitter.com/wikileaks/status/892986346985402369
I suspect the US may have threatened the UK government and said if Julian Assange makes a break for Ecuador it will ignore Britain’s sovereignty, and either send in a US military snatch squad and rendition him by helicopter to a US base, or attack his car by drone. Either way it would be a US military action on British soil (they do it all the time to other allies like Pakistan), and it’s unlikely any government could survive the loss of Britain’s sovereignty.
https://original.antiwar.com/mcgovern/2018/01/11/fbi-hand-behind-russia-gate/
This article is relevant , especially when one thinks about the recent interview with that hack Harding, because it elegantly demolishes virtually every absurd word coming out of his mouth and every paranoid thought in his head.
Another pathetic, though illustrative, thing that characterises the Guardian’s rapidly declining journalism… is that they can see conspiracies and politics everywhere and tainting isubjects like Assange and Ecuador… everyone else… including the dreadful Russians… except for the UK and the US and their involvement! Our actions and motives are apparently pure and moral, almost to a fault! Harding makes a fortune selling rabid conspiracy theories about thd Russians handing the keys to the White House to Trump without a shred of real evidence to support his crazed theories soaked in nothing but rampant paranoia… but this is okay ’cause his hearts in the rightwing place, fuck his brain which doesn’t seem to work at all!
A pattern repeats itself endlessly in the stuff produced by the Guardian, which means anyone can, for themselves, see if what I’m saying is true or not. Simply put, it’s part of the journalistic structure or culture of the Guardian itself and it doesn’t just apply here, it’s not a ‘mistake’ or because they lack the time to do their job preoperly. They’re doing it ‘properly’, only it’s the exact opposite of what they pretend their doing and why their ‘incopetence’ never has any consequences and they carry on regardless. The ‘truth’ and the ‘facts’ aren’t examined on their individual merits or for their veracity alone or in isolation. That really doesn’t matter anymore. As Harding admits, and he’s typical, what matters is the ‘context.’ The context, really, is everything and colours which ‘truths’ and ‘facts’ are correct and which ones aren’t. The ‘detail’ is really rather irrelvant here, especially… Read more »
I agree with being extremely amusing if not so frightening. Insanity I say.
Even more humourless crap in the Guardian about Assange. I wish a great hole would open up under their offices and swallow them whole. I wouldn’t miss the Guardian for a minute.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/may/19/julian-assange-wikileaks-ecuadorian-embassy
The Guardian has been especially egregious at promoting the rape myth. in the article linked to Hyde takes but a nano-second to perpetuate the lie – neither women has ever made this claim (rather it was the authorities who did so on their behalf). Curiously Hyde & Co have absolutely no insight into why some readers are revolted by their sanctimonious twaddle about ‘fake news’, a category that this article can definitely be filed under. Nothing thrills a Guardian columnist more than being able to express indignation at an injustice while working for an outlet that is key obstacle to such injustices ever being meaningfully addressed. Take this years general election – endless hatchet jobs against Corbyn, and then crocodiles tears after the tories resumed their austerity measures. Such as is the paucity of left wing news outlet that some people think the Guardian is the friend of the left… Read more »
Doh – this years general election!
Sorry, meant last summers
https://www.theguardian.com/gmg/2015/jul/23/gnm-board
The board of the Guardian is illustrative, Harry. The women are new, there having being none but the board-selected editor until very recently,, and prior to that, there were none. Still no visible minorities, no one suffering from the accelerating inequality in the UK, a topic which gets less attention than the formerly incessant Nazi gold topic. Most have been City types and ergo the left wing slant has all but disappeared, unless you believe that mindless gender counting politics , which threatens none of the 1%, is left wing. Having shot to international status on the back of Snowden they threw him under the bus for Hillary.
What I find digusting about the Guardian’s writers is their repeated ghastly attempts at ‘humour’ relating to Assange’s personal hygiene problems, namely that he ‘stinks’ after ‘choosing’ to remain cooped-up in the embassy for so many years.
I know have nothing but contempt and disdain for the people working at the Guardian. Yeah, I know that’s pretty negative, but that’s how I feel. Like Harding, their ignorance is only slightly smaller than their arrogance. They all seem to have a purile, childish, under-graduate, British, style ‘humour’ that I find incredibly irritating. That this ‘humour’ isn’t just a middle-class defence mechanism devorcing one from having to face harsh realities; it’s also often used as an attack tool utilizing ridicule against the weak and unfortunate.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jan/10/julian-assange-ecuador-embassy-wikileaks-us-sweden
Today… more, typical, scurrilous, crap in the Guardian by another hopeless hack who labours under the delusion that he’s proper writer and a bit of witty wag at the same time. The ‘argument’ that it’s all now just a story about Assange’s overwhelming ‘pride’ doesn’t stand up for a moment. The idea that this affair wasn’t political from virtually the very beginning is, frankly, absurd; but maybe one has to be a hack at the Guardian to convince oneself that this is true. The massive resources devoted to this affair by the UK and Swedish states prove that beyond question, yet, for the Guardian, as usual, facts really don’t matter, as long as one understands the ‘correct context’ which, not surprisingly colours the way one interprets the ‘facts.’
Assange is right not to trust the Swedes. With a guy like neoliberal “reformer” and Empire lackey Carl Bildt skulking around Stockholm whispering into people’s ears I would stay far far away too.
(Weiner got 21 months in jail for sending “illicit” text messages and dick pics to some teenage girls? He should have waited until he was a few rungs higher up the ladder…then he could partake in orgies with a whole harem of underage girls, or line his pockets at the expense of the global economy, both even, and he would never have seen the inside of a courtroom, let alone a jail cell. Pathetic plebeian.)
I like your assessment and totally agree. Apparently Weiner wasn’t hanging out at the Podesta’s private parties. As you pointed out, wasn’t privy to that privilege. Yet.
When foreign governments arrange to obstruct justice in another nation, they prove their ill intent. Mme. Secretary Clinton made an unscheduled stop in Stockholm in August just after Assange had decamped for London. All of a sudden the sexual assault investigation that the Swedish justice department had terminated was back on again. This is simply too coincidental to be anything but foreign interference in Swedish judicial proceedings. What is even worse is that Karl Bildt, the Swedish Prime Minister, assisted the US to obstruct Swedish justice. This is an unpardonable crime!
Carl Bildt is a CIA informer dating back to the 1970s, when he leaked confidential info to the CIA about the non socialist parties talks to form a coalition government. Bildt has also been heavily involved in Ukraine and been keen to enrich himself following the US coup and complete mess that country has become.
Glass houses, stones? Surely, to Britishers, the unpardonable crime is a British High Court upholding this US inspired European warrant, and the British regime persecuting Assange? How the Swedes run their crooked country is none of our business.
I have been a keen student of the Assange case and to be fair the British court had little option but to uphold the European Arrest Warrant (IMO). The hearing itself more or less focussed on one technical issue; did the Swedish authorities follow correct procedure when issuing it (apparently they did according to the court). I guess there is a seperate question about the desirability of EAWs but as it stands having signed up to this mechanism the British authorities are obliged to abide by the committment they have made. What’s more troubling has been a refusal (by the Brits & Swedes) to accept the rulings of the UN after a 16 month investigation into the conditions surrounding Assange’e treatment. The UN instructed both the UK and Sweden to take immediate steps to ensure Assange’s liberty, protection, and enjoyment of fundamental human rights – yet no such steps were… Read more »
And just why was this very sensitive information on the good ole sex deviant’s laptop? Was it obtained to impress underage Swedish girls? Was he faxing his penis photos to Swedes too?Inquiring minds want to know. Something is rotten in Sweden too and this must have something to do with their persecution of Assange if the women allegedly raped wanted the charges withdrawn. Maybe it was all about this, and one can only imagine what else there is. If only we really knew what it was that Sandy Berger
It is interesting to look back and see who pleaded for his exoneration (Wiener that is) and whether it was the same people who pleaded for a Polanski pardon (before the latest run of accusations, who pleaded for the pardon of Marc Rich, and got it, got Scooter Libby off lightly etc. Etc.
Sweden is well known to do US spying favours – there is nothing surprising in that…..
“And just why was this very sensitive information on the good ole sex deviant’s laptop?”
Because, idiot, the accusations of the women don’t include charges of rape. That was made up by the corrupt government, idiot. The government in Sweden is railroading him for doing something awful – exposing corruption that threatens to destroy the entire Western world. That’s how bad it is.
You morons think the best way to fix this problem is to ignore it. It’s to remove it. Excise it. Idiot traitors like you are perfectly willing to let the Western world descend into either communism or fascism, they’re equivalent in how horrible they are, they are both statist policitical structure with criminals running the entire system.
Tired of you enabler scum.
My goodness! You are on the wrong site. I was talking about Wiener of course, who is a multiply charged and convicted sex offender. I was asking why the Assange material was on his computer. I suggest you take a tennis racket and beat your pillow with it repeatedly.
Do you remember Roseanne Roseannadanna?
I am for free speech but you make a strong case for limits. Don’t you feel silly?
You could make the point you are making without this torrent of abuse, which only serves to undermine your credibility. Don’t post like this again please. This is a pretty polite and respectful community even when disagreements become intense. Please respect that.
Quite apart from the tell tale nonsense to the effect that fascism and communism are the same, there is no mystery at all in the presence of these emails on Wiener’s computer. He was married to Hillary Clinton’s confidential aide who seems to have overseen the Secretary of State’s communications. She appears to have believed that do long as no ordinary member of the electorate saw the correspondence she was preserving its security.
If that can be substantiated then Amedin surely must have broken the law. Is there no consequence?
Clinton and Abedin knew what they were doing. Clinton especially, when she was SecState would have been briefed on the handling of sensitive information. They chose not to. So far there has been no repercussions – as they have been investigated by Clinton cabal supporters (Comey, McCabe, Lynch, Strzok.) Compare with Bradley -Chelsea Manning who got 35 years for lesser offences.
The Swedes should be annoyed as it places them in the kind of light that causes roaches to scatter, no surprises there. There are clearly two sets of laws in the US as it accelerates its centrifugal movement away from basic democratic principles. One for ” them” and one for “us” where us is the 1% and their employees , not you and me.
I can hardly wait to be told how poor Weiner has suffered enough to preclude him being prosecuted for this. I am rethinking my sympathy for Abedin, having perhaps married Weiner on the assumption he was going places and going to make a name for himself. He has done both but in unanticipated ways. Do we prefer our politicians to be penis faxers or frequenters of high priced hookers like Spitzer?
You might want to rethink your sympathy for Abedin: she has been HRC’s closest aide since she was 19 – a second daughter …it’s not that clear who is the puppet and who is the puppetmaster? Her family are linked to the Muslim Brotherhood (Sisterhood actually) …Weiner may just have been cover?
https://journal-neo.org/2016/11/04/the-real-huma-gate-crime-is-the-muslim-brotherhood/
I don’t think he was a cover. When it comes to the power elite all that stuff doesn’t matter. The US, Israel, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia (for starters) were involved in 9/11. Amazing, huh?
Now BigB, after being shamed by the odious Weiner, surely you are not saying I should have no sympathy for her and family just because she is Muslim?
Don’t be silly, George: this isn’t about religion …in fact, it is about as irreligious as it gets. The Clinton’s are part of an international cabal that uses religion as a cover for imperial domination – aka. the clash of civilisations. That may sound fantastical, but check out their links to the Fethullah Gulen organization; the Hashim Thaci regime in Kosovo; and their better known association with Saudi Wahhabism. Clinton was not averse to taking pay-to-play millions from Islamic fundamentalist supremacists – who view the majority of Muslims as apostates? The fact that Abedin is a Muslim is incidental to the real issue: the mishandling of confidential, top secret, and compartmentalised state secrets on unsecured devices and servers. If Abedin forwarded confidential information to Weiner: who else did she forward to?
Excellent points. Especially the last sentence puts forth and interesting question. I wonder, does Abedin have ties to the Awan brothers? Or, are they basically one and the same unit?
I don’t know, John. It seems that Awan as Pakistani ISI: which, given the recent downturn in US/Pakistani relations (due in no small part to the Twitter Terets of the POTUS) should be a continuing source of embarassment? But no, although Awan had unlimited and uncontrolled access to as many as 80 House Democrats (including those on the homeland security, intel and foreign affairs committees); including full access to all of Wasserman-Schulz’s devices; was removing hardware; destroyed evidence; …and it seems clear to me the Seth Rich was able to locally download files onto a thumb drive …despite that, we are meant to believe the data breach was caused by the Russians? Personally, I think the international Deep State (not just the Muslim connection) is exposed in the 650,000 Clinton emails, the 33,000 deleted emails (some of which are backed up on Weiner’s laptop) …there is evidence of possible treason,… Read more »
I’d be inclined to label this fake news? I am sure that Obomba was after Assange: but over this? The Pirate Party polled 0.65% of the vote in 2010 …Much ado about nothing? [Besides which, this article must be over three months old?]
Now when they release Weiner’s file marked “Insurance”, I’ll sit up and take notice!
There are probably multiple motivations for the persecution of Assange, this is only suggested as one of them. And no, it isn’t three months old.
The there is a broken or misdirected link then. “reported last week” links to a WaPo article dated “April 21” – which led me to believe it was from last year. My point is that there may or may not be very high level (possibly Special Access? ) incriminating information on Weiner’s laptop …that Judicial Watch have been having a hard time getting released (despite winning their case.) There were 18 Classified documents in the latest batch (that the State Dept are drip feeding at the rate of 500 per month.) Compared to the Espionage Act and possibly treasonous mishandling of Government records on an unsecured server … Stopping a fringe party from even getting a single seat seems inconsequential to me? Bait and switch? Don’t look at the real criminal activity? #LockHerUp!
At a certain point in the not to distant future Assange will show the World that Seth Rich was the source of the DNC Leaks & that the Obama/Clinton team had him murdered for it.
Trump already knows this but can’t be seen to do the deal with Assange as its political suicide for his troubled Presidency & he’s sure he’ll be vindicated by one means or another in due course and when he is he’ll be able to walk on water as the Democratic Party will cease to exist & what’s left of the Republican Party will be running to Trump’s side.
This US MSM farce is the long short & tall of the Russian Nothing-Burger.
Jack the Ripper could have beaten Clinton & maybe he did ?
I find the Seth Rich case quite fascinating. I first thought what you suggest but then up popped a video on YouTube suggesting that the Seth Rich death was a hoax. I’m like WTF? I think it’s in the second video below but I know I saw in one video that there is a suggestion that Seth was a Republican plant and that the Republicans staged his death (in July, election November 2016) to smear the Dems. Quite a trick if true, no? And the fantastic thing about is that, if true, the Dems couldn’t have done a thing about it. They would have known, of course, that it was staged but there’s no way they could have said anything because Seth would have had them over a barrel with all the stuff he knew about them – even if he had nothing incriminating (impossible, of course) no one is… Read more »
What would be the point of hoaxing his death? It’s possible to comprehend a potential motive for faking terror events etc where a government agenda is clearly being promoted on its back. But what agenda could have been promoted by faking the murder of Seth Rich?
If Rich wanted to discredit the Dems why not just release the information he had? It seems less drastic, less dangerous and probably more effective.
What I think we have is contradictory evidence and I simply don’t know what to make of it. Some facts * In the ABC video, the father mouths the mother’s words as the camera pans from him to her. This is undeniable. This suggests scripting – why would this be the case if he were really killed? The parents give no signs of grieving – not saying they aren’t, just saying they do not give any signs. * The brother is swallowing his smiles. This is undeniable. * A witness is interviewed and says that a police officer told him that Seth did not feel the bullets (youtube.com/watch?v=w2Yc6u_1e1M). OK, I’ve never been shot myself but I find this extremely hard to believe – to me, it seems ridiculous. The three things above suggest to me the power elite doing their thing of “telling” us of their hoaxery and if we’re… Read more »
I have to say I feel it’s a hoax though. When there’s so many oddities you really have to wonder. And the power elite love to get different theories happening – it was the DNC, it was a coverup by the hospital, it was a hoax. Like the planes on 9/11 – it was the passenger airliners, it was military planes, it was missiles, it was no planes or missiles. And as I recall from seeing the film JFK to 9/11 Everything is a Rich Man’s Trick, same thing with the JFK assassination.
Do you not find Everything is a Rich Man’s Trick to be a bit questionable and hokey?
I think Conolly’s hagiographising of JFK is wrong. My feeling is that his gangster father may well have played a role in his ending up being assassinated and I think the Kennedy family should simply have come clean about Joe. I think possibly why they’ve never spoken up is because it would mean exposing the dad and that’s wrong. You can’t afford to be compromised that way when you’re in government though, of course, he had his womanising (even if that is not important) and no doubt other stuff as well. I have to admit I’ve done no other research on the JFK assassination but I find everything he said about it pretty compelling – the jigsaw pieces all seemed to fit together and there are an awful lot of jigsaw pieces to fit together. I find his argument that we’re ruled by a power elite that work by fomenting… Read more »
Apologies. I did not attempt to answer your question before, I was focused on the evidence. Why his death was faked rather than just releasing the information, I cannot even hazard a guess. Obviously, the Dems would know it was faked too. I cannot explain but I think the evidence clearly shows it was faked. Just the 2 minute video of the parents and the son speaking on the ABC are a total giveaway. This video is posted by the ABC, it is not posted by a hoax analyst and yet a significant number of comments posted by people who don’t indicate that they’re necessarily “into” hoaxes question it. This is one of them. youtube.com/watch?v=LOn09bhDXMo “WTF? Watch this video many times. Something stinks. The first few seconds in, the brother is cracking up and trying not to laugh. He does this throughout the whole video. 30 seconds in, the dad… Read more »
Possibly because he has/had more use alive than dead. Case in point: easier to control his family if he is still alive yet in secretive captivity. I know how I would act if someone killed my son over if he was being held captive. Completely different I assure you. Especially, if you believe that there is a chance if you go along with the game plan, their narrative that he will be allowed to live, but not if you don’t. Better insurance if he is alive. States do it quite often with ‘political prisoners’ do they not? Same sort of scenario with the Rich’s could be applied. I think that Clinton being the psychopath that she is wasn’t going along with the game plan and Rich and Braverman were ordered to ‘leak’ certain information to make her look worse but there were tons more information leaked than wanted by the… Read more »
Also, just to point out the very obvious signs of fakery we come to expect from the power elite – their justification for hoaxing us poor sods – they tell us with their obviousness and if we don’t pick it up, it’s our own fault. For God’s sake, why do you think you can justify your evilness with anything, you bastards? You’re just plain evil – it’s true though you do get a lot of help both smart and dumb.
So it’s just occurred to me he could easily have leaked the documents – after the faked death. That is a good one, I must say.
Doncha love the panda? Just rewatched the first video. It does make me laugh.
That second vid you posted is really bad and exactly the kind of thing that gives hoax claims a bad wrap. Just saying “are you kidding me??” a lot isn’t evidence of anything! Also the girl clearly is crying. Her eyes are red and watery. If we just call everything fake crying we’re going to lose real cases of fakery in the confusion and allow people to dismiss all of it, even the real fakes.
This is a much much better vid about the actually real puzzles about Rich, including the fact no hospitals will admit to treating him.
Yes, apologies, Carrie. I should have reviewed that video before posting. While I actually do believe the power elite use symbology in their hoaxes, it certainly wasn’t the best video to post. It seems youtube have changed their search so that you can’t find nearly the number hoax videos you could before! I know I watched a much better one but I can’t find it now.
Then there was this anonymous post on 4Chan by a person who says he was a 4th year resident treating Rich at Washington Hospital Center. He says Rich wasn’t critical after surgery and then inexplicably died. He basically suggests Rich was murdered by a doctor in the hospital. If this is true that would be a very good reason for a total shutdown of info about where he was treated and also for withholding the autopsy. Fakery should be a last resort answer only when we’ve gone through everything else. https://www.intellihub.com/d-c-surgeon-who-operated-on-seth-rich-the-dnc-staffer-was-alive-and-well-after-surgery-before-a-group-of-leos-showed-up-to-the-icu/ “4th year surgery resident here who rotated at WHC (Washington Hospital Center) last year, it won’t be hard to identify me but I feel that I shouldn’t stay silent. Seth Rich was shot twice, with 3 total gunshot wounds (entry and exit, and entry). He was taken to the OR emergently where we performed an exlap and found a… Read more »
Thanks for this. Suspicion heightened.
Here’s more detail on the original 4Chan discussion (now all deleted as they never archive discussions there) https://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2017/05/18/surgeon-at-seth-richs-hospital-says-his-wounds-were-not-fatal/ A commenter challenged Anonymous: prove you are not a larper. what are the list of medications you administered throughout the entire process? A “larper” is someone who engages in larp or live action role playing, i.e., someone online pretending to be someone else. The original anon, alleged doctor replied: Anonymous (ID: rhotYJAg) 05/17/17(Wed)13:26:47 No.125914751: When he [Seth Rich] arrived to the trauma ward he had LR running, I don’t keep up with how much he got but less than 2 liters before we rolled to the OR. Note: “LR” is Lactated Ringers (solution), a common fluid replacement for patients who have lost blood or other body fluids; “PRBC” is packed red blood cells; “FFP” is fresh frozen plasma. No transfusion was done in trauma; the massive transfusion protocol was started because he… Read more »
OK, I’m calling this a hoax, fair and square (those words are so inappropriate but they just came to me). My 3-part hypothesis: 1. event was staged with 2. always-in-tandem hypothesis that there is evidence of sloppiness, ridiculousness and clues that the power elite employ to “justify” their hoaxing of us – if we’re too stupid to get it, it’s on our heads. 3. The presence of the sometimes-present-in-these-events laying of red herring trails. (Please shed the propagandistic effect of the derogatory “elaborate conspiracy” epithet – the power elite aren’t into the “banality of evil”. As well as so ludicrously justifying to themselves their hoaxing of us by “telling” us with their clues, they need to make it mean something to themselves as well – so through all their ridiculous symbology and elaborateness they give it meaning. At the end of his JFK to 9/11 film, Conolly points out that… Read more »
Formatting glitch above. Should read:
No clear evidence of a death – simply no evidence
In the ABC video, the father mouths the mother’s words as the camera pans from him to her.
* The brother is swallowing his smiles.
* A witness is interviewed and says that a police officer told him that Seth did not feel the bullets (youtube.com/watch?v=w2Yc6u_1e1M).
It just glitched again. I’ll try again.
No clear evidence of a death – simply no evidence
2.
* In the ABC video, the father mouths the mother’s words as the camera pans from him to her.
* The brother is swallowing his smiles.
* A witness is interviewed and says that a police officer told him that Seth did not feel the bullets (youtube.com/watch?v=w2Yc6u_1e1M).
Should be “1” before “No clear evidence of a death – simply no evidence.”
If Assange knows that Seth Rich was the source he should say it now. Time allows those that killed him escape justice. The fact that he doesn’t almost suggests to me that Assange either doesn’t know or that Seth wasn’t the source. What can be gained from not setting the record straight right now??
I notice that no one shows any sign of supporting my 3-part hypothesis that this event was staged and a recent commenter, Paolo, has commented with the assumption that, in fact, Seth Rich was killed. Perhaps Paolo thinks my hypothesis is so ludicrous it’s best to simply ignore it or perhaps he simply didn’t see it? Paolo? What I find distressing is that I think the majority of people, no matter how intelligent, do not know how to gauge evidence and will often remain inappropriately skeptical because they don’t think there is sufficient evidence or it is not compelling enough or they will tend towards a more seemingly plausible explanation regardless of evidence that supports a seemingly less plausible explanation. But to my mind, you can have a tiny amount of evidence that virtually proves something and unless you have compelling contradictory evidence you can go with that. Generally, though… Read more »
Flaxgirl: you are right about the video, it was staged and scripted. Rich’s father is clearly reading from an autocue? It’s hokey – but perhaps that was the best take? However, 1 and 2 do not equal 4 …the non-sequitur conclusion the Seth Rich was not killed …based, if I’ve got this right, on a two minute video that popped up on your YouTube feed? There is a lot more in depth context to this than a random video can provide? For instance: the family response was being coordinated by a “professional Democrat” and crisis communications fixer – Brad Bauman. That easily explains the staged vid: Occam’s Razor? Besides, Assange has all but said that Rich was his source. I’m quite prepared to believe the cover up and disinfo are to protect Killary …but in this instance, I’m not swayed by your logic.
BigB, Thanks for responding to my plea. I find it interesting that you disparage the video as evidence by referring to its brevity and random popping up. Those factors are irrelevant. It’s the content that counts. * no signs of grief from anyone * extremely obvious stifling of giggles from brother * scripting that is made obvious You say that the fact that I conclude that these elements indicate that the death was staged (I also say the fact that the staging is made obvious is significant) is a non-sequitur seemingly because a Brad Bauman co-ordinated the family response. I’m afraid I find THAT a non-sequitur. So someone is hired to “co-ordinate the family response” and thus we cannot conclude anything from the family’s behaviour because it is part of a response co-ordinated by someone? I disagree. I stand by my claim that the family showing zero signs of grief,… Read more »
HaHa! You slay me Flaxgirl: there is no evidence – anywhere! The WPD hoovered it all up, 9/11-like …not to be seen for the next 90 years. No bodycams, autopsy, ballistics, CCTV …all gone. Sy Hersh got ‘read’ a report by his FBI contact, then he denied it – even though he was taped. Rod Wheeler flip-flopped too. The absence of evidence means we both are welcome to our opinions? Either way: perhaps we could agree someone is hiding something; or someone? You got to wonder, who has the power to do that? And intimidate and shut down investigation? I know who I suspect.
Can you grab a source for Hersh denying his own words?
Reply at top of page.
We’re not in a courtroom so I guess we’re always entitled to our opinions, however, I think using Occam’s Razor – the version where you use the fewest assumptions/fewest questions technique – shows that Rich’s death was staged and – for John – the family was in on it not forced into it – won’t go into that below but too relaxed for it to be forced. Hypothesis 1 (H1) – Staged event (with tandem hypothesis of obvious signs of staging including contradictions, ridiculous things said, red herring trails) Hypothesis 2 (H2) – Real death The parents are scripted (mouthing of mother’s words by father). You suggest that they could be scripted AND that Seth died – we would have to ask the question why for that even if they have PR. Why would they script parents 3 days after their son’s death? Fits H1 better The parents show no… Read more »
And just to add this little bonus – not entirely relevant but I just found it and I love it: The Ultimate Crisis Actor
youtu.be/PauETvhHIeI
It’s not uncommon for people who have been shot to be unaware and relatively pain free actually. I picked this up from a quick google search. There are several people here saying they didn’t realise they had been shot to start with and felt no pain.
https://thoughtcatalog.com/paul-barker/2012/12/what-being-shot-feels-like/
Gut feelings and instinct aren’t enough. Life is complicated. Just because we don’t understand something or think it makes no sense doesn’t necessarily mean it’s fake.
OK, Carrie, happy to drop the “not feeling the bullets” as an item but what about all the other points? I cannot see how to do the Occam’s Razor exercise with favouring of hypotheses swapped – for either of the hypotheses “died directly from bullet wounds” or “died because of something wrong happening at hospital”. Can you? And if you can’t then what are you going to believe? I mean, come on! The doctor says “he was shot twice by the trajectory of the bullet” just like the Las Vegas incident! And, of course, it just occurred to me – this harks back to the JFK “magic bullet”. Can’t believe I didn’t make the connection before. Please, Carrie, we are being swamped with staged events. Just swamped with them. It is ridiculous. How can you be so reluctant to believe that his death was staged? The signs are screaming at… Read more »
What he means by “shot twice by the trajectory of the bullet” is there were only two bullet trackways in the body even though there were three holes, so they concluded one of the holes was an exit hole. There is NOTHING odd about that. It’s standard. The right flank is the lower right back. Again nothing odd there at all. I dont believe or disbelieve as I try to let the evidence speak. I am not even saying the event wasn’t staged for definite. I just do not want to leap to conclusions and start seeing things that aren’t weird as being weird. That interview with SR’s family does look a little weird. The bro looks like he might be fighting a smile. No one seems very emotional. It’s all a bit stilted and strange. How long after the murder was it? The gf does look genuine to me,… Read more »
Oops! Thank you, Carrie, for correcting me and thorough in your approach. I was extremely sloppy by not even checking what a “flank” was, vaguely thinking it was to do with the thigh and because I was immediately reminded of the Las Vegas incident jumped to the wrong conclusion. That will teach me … I hope. However, even though I screwed up there, I think the evidence still shows that the death was staged and there is simply no compelling contradictory evidence to show that it was real. You say that the family interview “looks a little weird”, but we have more precise information than that. There are two aspects here: what they say is both scripted and SHOWN VERY, VERY OBVIOUSLY TO BE SCRIPTED. You always have to bear in mind when you’re looking at a possible staged event is that the power elite justify what they do by… Read more »
The thing is, can you come up with a single piece of clear evidence (that is, couldn’t be faked) that favours “real event” over “staged event” hypothesis? I’ve come up with a number of pieces that favour “staged event”. We can strike out the one about not feeling the bullets, however, my second point, even if it’s partly wrong still stands – if, the death was a result of a coverup by the hospital we would surely expect the parents to be creating a stink about it as the father said the policeman said he was “maybe stable” and surely he’d have questions as to why his son died and presumably someone would have got through to him with the 4Chan information. If you cannot come up with a single point that favours real over staged and there are a number that favour staged over real, I really do think… Read more »
Just to say, BigB, I do so appreciate your response of “you slay me there”. I really, really appreciate it. Apart from your response all I ever get from people (unless they already agree with me) is a resistant skepticism or downright rejection of what I say and not a single solitary soul – apart from you – has ever shown any kind of suggestion of a turnaround response like yours. It restores my faith in humanity.
Thanks Flaxgirl. As you know, I’m broadly with you on the fakery: I can’t rule out your theory – but it is only a theory? I have even considered that the entire Russiagate ruse was a psyop CIA scam from the start. Clinton left her non-existent cybersecurity wide open for three months whilst SecState …that’s either criminally incompetent (or not according to the FBI) – or quite possibly deliberate? It was certainly deliberate to cover up her nefarious influence peddling scam – aka the Clinton Foundation? Fast forward to Seth Rich/Imran Awan breaches of protocol (allegedly including leaving a laptop in a phonebooth to be found?); Podesta got caught in a phising attack; 75% of emails (including 9 of the 10 that ‘lost’ the election) were written AFTER the data breach (‘hack’) was discovered; the FBI didn’t seize the servers; Crowdstrike conducted the investigation, then gave their findings to the… Read more »
BigB, I find your question “Why do you have to prove you’re right?” a very interesting question. It’s not so much that I want to prove I’m right, it’s more that I think in certain situations the evidence is such that we can determine whether a situation is X or Y and when such a situation exists why on earth don’t we simply call it? Why not just call it rather than sit back in skepticism when there is absolutely no reason to because there is sufficient evidence to call it? I find skepticism when the evidence is clear a highly inappropriate position. The power elite are wreaking havoc with us so when we can recognise exactly what havoc they’re wreaking let’s call it as it is. Nothing is foolproof. You can have an investigation, a commission (9/11 and Warren, for example), a court case, whatever – nothing is foolproof… Read more »
Flaxgirl: I broadly agree with your last comment: but differentiating between X and Y on balance of probability is one thing …knowing or validating whether X or Y is true is quite another. We are entering into the realms of epistemology here. Your proposition H1 from above is rational, and justified – but not verifiably true. The difference between your H1 proposition and my H2 proclivity (not strongly held) is not distinguishable without the input of more empirical data …and thanks to the WPD: that ain’t happening soon. So until there is a development in the case, we are left with our justified beliefs: but no empirical or actionable knowledge …just as TPTB like it?
All we very often have anywhere is the balance of probability. That’s so much all we have. We’re not in the realm of philosophy here, we’re in the realm of reality. That’s what judges have, that’s what juries have, that’s what investigative journalists have, that’s what police have. But actually in the case of events staged by the power elite we have a secret weapon, yes we have a very special secret weapon … the perpetrators let us in on their crime so we need only look out for their clues. They snow us with propaganda and rely on the Hitlerian lie (see below) to a large degree to stop us identifying their crimes but because they want to justify their crimes they give us a fighting chance and slip out rather obvious clues. They think we’re complete idiots though and only an insignificant few will pick them up, however,… Read more »
I’ve written another reply to your comment which needs to be approved because of the number of links but I just want to address something specific here that I didn’t in that comment. Your H2 proclivity (not strongly held)? Are you kidding me? You mean you think that there’s any weight whatsoever in a claim that a PR person not only staged and scripted Seth Rich’s family’s tableau scene three days after Seth’s death but also signalled the scripting and made no attempts whatsoever to get the family to show grieving … in fact, showed the brother stifling giggles all the way through. That’s not the way PR works – at all, BigB – they’re into completely trying to disguise their bullshit, but it is the way the power elite works – rubbing their fakery in our faces. All the evidence (and lack of it) supports H1 and NONE convincingly… Read more »
OK I know I’m going on and on and on about this but I find the reluctance of people to see the obvious reality of something really quite weird. If anyone can come up with a possible plausible explanation for how the following fits “real event” rather than “staged event” for Seth Rich’s death please provide it – I’m not even asking for evidence just a possible plausible explanation. If you cannot think of a plausible explanation but you are not convinced that the death was staged please state precisely what is in the way of your conviction. Three days after Seth’s alleged death we are presented with a family tableau where: – Seth’s father mouths the mother’s words which shows both scripting and the clear indication of scripting (the second point being evidence of the power elite “telling” us what they’re up to) – Seth’s brother, Aaron, stifles giggles… Read more »
OK, I know I have to stop but just one more thing. I think it is a case of the doctor being in on it rather than someone other than Seth Rich being used. Not to say in the least that what I say (on this occasion) qualifies as any kind of evidence, it’s just my opinion.
How they start their post and finish it strikes me as very pat and I feel that the sentences, especially the second one, have a chortle behind them … but just my opinion as I say.
First sentence
4th year surgery resident here who rotated at WHC (Washington Hospital Center) last year, it won’t be hard to identify me but I feel that I shouldn’t stay silent.
Last sentence
Take everything you read especially from the MSM with a grain of salt as usual but don’t stop digging.
All we have is the balance of probability …but probability without empirical data equals no case. Reality v philosophy: ditto. It doesn’t matter if you bring in one or a hundred other cases to establish a pattern – I can see the pattern myself, but it does not establish a prima facie case. That’s why, under Common Law, previous convictions were not declared. The evidence must stand on its own merit? Other than a highly suspicious video, which could or could not be interpreted as “elite signalling” …the absence of evidence proves nothing by itself. BTW the Clintons have a history of making evidence disappear. For instance, from the office of Vince Foster within hours of his “suicide.” It later turned up in the White House – prosecution? Don’t be silly. So the absence of evidence could be inculpatory and part of a known MO too?
Hi BigB, I just came across this epic thread when I was googling Seth Rich. On rereading it, it occurred to me that I should have made my argument from a different angle. Rather than the angle of “proving” it false, what I can say is that there is no credible evidence that gives credence to the media narrative in the first place. I assert that there is good reason provided to believe the narrative so the need to prove it false is not required. What is your opinion?
Should be “no good reason” not “good reason”.
BigB, I am not talking about a court case here or taking to the streets with placards saying “Seth Rich’s death was staged”, I’m just talking about calling it a staged event in the comments of an online journal, that is all. What is your personal conviction about his death? Do you feel that evidence, logic and reason mean you can feel certain it was staged or do you have doubts?
BigB, I do feel disappointed with you. I simply have no understanding of this ridiculous reticence about calling things out. In a comment on another article you introduced me to a new word – lugenpresse. So the Germans even have a word for it: the lying press. We are lied to every day all the time and not only do the media lie to us they collude and collaborate with other perpetrators to produce their lies, their staged terror and all rest of it. Why on earth do you allow them the DOMINANT NARRATIVE, why on earth would you show RESPECT for what they say in any shape or form by holding back on calling something where the evidence is extremely strong and – in fact – they’re actually LETTING US IN ON loud and clear to justify their crimes? What is this “empirical”, “epistemological”, “highly suspicious”, “could or could… Read more »
Sorry to disappoint: especially as I feel we have a broad basis of agreement. Unfortunately, I’m up to my neck in it – work, that is – as we Brits say. Suffice to say – I’m all for calling out TPTB, but only on empirically sufficient grounds. I’ll try and post a longer response later in the week …watch this space!
As I keep saying BigB I’m only talking about comments in an online article – I’m not interested in actionable knowledge. However, I look forward to your response. My attitude in these situations is the Occam’s Razor approach. They say that Occam’s Razor is not a tool of proof, however, if you’re looking at an event where you are limited to considering two broad hypotheses, real or staged, then I think it can act as proof. If you can come up with significant evidence that supports your hypothesis and none that supports the other, I really don’t know what else you need. There might be mini-hypotheses to debate within the broad hypothesis, eg, in the real event hypothesis of Seth Rich’s death you might look at death by bullets, death by incompetence in the hospital or deliberate death in the hospital … but, as the evidence supports staged event we… Read more »
Flaxgirl: I’m not sure what you want me to commit to? This is not an I’m right, you’re wrong situation …we’re both speculating. The consensus we have is that the ‘lugenpresse’ are being true to form and lying: in that sense, we are both calling them out? But the specifics are indeterminate: I can’t help to validate your belief that Rich’s death was a hoax …because, in this instance, I have no idea that it was. Why we are having this conversation is that both of us have incorporated into our belief systems – not just that the M$M lie, and direct our thinking away from making a ‘connect-the-dot’ comprehensive overall view of the facts – that TPTB will actually hoax and stage events. You don’t have to keep making that point: that basic belief is shared. But in this specific case: I can’t call it on what I have… Read more »
What you say about the bigger picture is very interesting including the Grumman Northrup-Aaron Rich connection. I know zero about all that stuff and wouldn’t have a clue where to start. However, I do say that there is sufficient evidence to call Seth Rich’s death a hoax. I’ll reiterate for the last time in summary. There are indications of scripting and clear signalling of that scripting of Seth Rich’s parents’ words 3 days after his death in their interview. Aaron Rich stifles giggles all the way through the interview. The obviousness indicated in points 1 and 2 have the fingerprints of the power elite pushing their hoaxery in our faces to justify their crimes. There is no plausible explanation one might even think of (regardless of evidence) other than “faked death” to fit the evidence stated in points 1-3. There is an anonymous post by a doctor on 4Chan suggesting… Read more »
I’m with you. I believe it was theater just like everything the elites do. Or much of it. Even if they really murders someone(s) or blow something up, the footage we see is done in a studio or ‘on set’ before hand. And the witnesses are usually crisis actors and not the actual victims or witnesses. Theater.
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