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WATCH: Anthrax: The Forgotten Lie

Fifteen years ago today, March 20, the “Coalition of the Willing” declared war on Iraq. We now know that war was based on a monumental and inexcusable lie about Iraq possessing “weapons of mass destruction”, and that the war itself was a crime under international law. But we tend to forget that WMDs wasn’t the only lie told to us at the time. There was also the lie about the anthrax attacks in the USA, which in some ways can be counted even more egregious and cold-blooded.

We were told the anthrax that killed five people and harmed 17 others had been positively identified as originating in Iraq. Colin Powell’s famous “test tube full of washing powder” was a bit of theatre designed to sell us on this alleged fact.

But it wasn’t true.

Almost immediately after the attacks the FBI knew the anthrax must have been homegrown,or at least produced somewhere with sophisticated laboratory equipment. But since this fact didn’t fit with the al Qaeda narrative it was sppressed from public knowledge.

By October 2001 the Guardian was reporting “Iraq ‘behind US anthrax outbreaks’.” All the usual suspects in promoting imperialist war soon followed suit.

The narrative at this time was clearly intended to be that Iraq was the state-sponsor of al Qaeda terror, and had not only been a supporter of the 9/11 attacks but had provided Osama’ boys with the goods to murder even more Americans with anthrax. This, obviously, was intended to act as the rationale for attacking those two vitally strategic countries in the the US’s project for dominance in the Middle east and Asia – Iraq and Afghanistan.

But, as so often seems to happen, this narrative was almost immediately undermined by official White House statements (perhaps originating in elements of the government anxious to preserve the administration from outright association with a lie) that the anthrax in question showed no signs of coming from Iraq, because they specifically lacked an ingredient called bentonite. Which, as we now know, was true.

This official denial, based on solid scientific evidence, should have been an end to the story. But, as the film above shows, owing to a vast campaign of distraction and deception by politicians and the media, the completely discredited story of Iraqi responsibility for the anthrax attacks continue to flourish and even gain momentum. Outlets such as ABC and, most prominently, from Judith Miller (whose pre-2001prescience about the dangers of anthrax in the US seems truly breathtaking) in the New York Times, brazenly continued to sell the idea in feature articles, specials and endless repetition in the nightly news.

And what was the central “fact” on which the media story of Iraq’s guilt was built?

Nothing less than the completely and provably false claim the White House had already denied – that there was bentonite in the anthrax.

Even the White House, the same White House that had officially denied the presence of bentonite and therefore ruled out Iraq involvement, continue to use implications, lies by omission and weasel words to enable the opposite view to become lodged in the public mind.

These people didn’t just bend the truth, or fudge or obfuscate. They lied. They invented whole narratives, they made up whole back stories, they looked us in the camera’s eye on TV and completely deceived us. The media’s Anthrax Meme never existed. Not one single part of it. And even while Colin Powell was allowing us to believe the story he had known for more than a year that it was a complete fabrication

The UK government is currently lying to us about the Skripal poisoning. We know that already to be beyond doubt. The only question is how deep the lie goes this time.

When we look back at 2001 we have to realise it could be very deep indeed.

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tom
tom
Mar 22, 2018 1:36 PM

Dr Ivans never confessed, handwriting did not match, and the FBI never charged him. One of the anthrax mailings was highly atomized / weaponized – made in a lab, not a garage. The Anthrax was US made Ames strain. The FBI head agent in charge of the anthrax investigation – Richard Lambert – has filed a federal whistleblower lawsuit calling the entire FBI investigation bullsh!t: (2014/15) Lambert now has a lawsuit against the FBI for being blacklisted from intelligence work. http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/04/head-fbis-anthrax-investigation-calls-b-s.html WSJ: http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748704541004575011421223515284 http://www.washingtonsblog.com/?s=anthrax excerpt: The chief biological inspector for the U.N. Special Commission from 1994 to 1998 – who describes himself as one of the “four or five people in the whole country” who could make the type of anthrax used in the 2001 attacks – noted in testimony to Congress: “I have maintained from the first descriptions of the material contained in the Daschle letter that the quality… Read more »

jd in .hu (@redjade_hu)
jd in .hu (@redjade_hu)
Mar 22, 2018 9:12 AM

This video is from an anti-Vaccine website – It is a bit funny that people here talk about propaganda and then rely on this site for their source of news.

Mikalina
Mikalina
Mar 22, 2018 3:13 PM

There is a strong and fact based argument against vaccinations. You are responding to the media hyped manipulative negative gut reaction given to us in order to prevent any discussion on the subject. Further study with an open mind will provide you with a balanced view from which to project your opinion.

rogerglewis
rogerglewis
Mar 22, 2018 3:22 PM

jd in .hu (@redjade_hu)
http://vaxxedthemovie.com/
http://letthemconfectsweeterlies.blogspot.se/2017/02/more-green-authoritarian-thought.html
Thought Crime alert, Governments don’t lie and neither does Big Pharma.

Mikalina
Mikalina
Mar 21, 2018 8:15 PM

I’ve just had another look at Bernays’ Propaganda. It’s probably worth another read:
“The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country.”
https://www.voltairenet.org/IMG/pdf/Bernays_Propaganda_in_english_.pdf

Ross Hendry
Ross Hendry
Mar 21, 2018 2:08 PM

A few years ago we were satirising false flags and whipped up terrorist paranoia. In 2014 this was posted on Facebook: ‘A public school teacher was arrested today at John F. Kennedy International Airport this morning as he attempted to board a flight while in possession of a ruler, a protractor, a compass, a slide-rule and a calculator. At a press conference just before noon today, Attorney General Eric Holder said he believes the man is a member of the notorious AI Gebra movement. Although he did not identify the man, he confirmed the man has been charged by the FBI with carrying weapons of math instruction. ‘AI-Gebra is a problem for us’, the Attorney General said. ‘They derive solutions by means and extremes, and sometimes go off on tangents in search of absolute values.’ They use secret code names like “x” and “y” and refer to themselves as “unknowns”… Read more »

summitflyer
summitflyer
Mar 21, 2018 2:27 PM
Reply to  Ross Hendry

Satire at it’s best .Thank you.

Sav
Sav
Mar 21, 2018 1:12 PM

Jan 2003 – Amongst several high profile police raids was one in North London. 5 people arrested on claims of terrorism & producing toxins. Media told that a substance had been removed as evidence.
MSM was alight with ‘Ricin Plot’. We were under attack and needed to act fast. These were the kinds of weapons Saddam was creating and something had to be done.
Only 2 years later did it come to light that there had been no ricin and all that was taken from the property was washing powder. It had been sent to Porton Down and they knew in 2 weeks after the raid that it wasn’t ricin. But this information had been withheld until 2005.

MICHAEL LEIGH
MICHAEL LEIGH
Mar 28, 2018 12:17 AM
Reply to  Sav

How ironic SAV that this” False Ricin Story ” predates, todays A 244 nerve agent plot alleged at Salisbury, by the self-same Mass False Media !

Big B
Big B
Mar 21, 2018 8:53 AM

Well, Norm has put the cat among the progressive pigeons: and rightly so. Essentially he, Pablo, and Lenin are correct: wherever finance capital goes; the military follow. But Norm is perhaps prescient, for we are not comparing like with like when we compare Russia-China with the imperial overreach of the mature economies of say US-UK. Russia lags behind China by some three decades: and is still able to develop internal markets and infrastructure. China’s ‘neoliberal with Chinese characteristics’ project, as David Harvey calls it, is on the cusp of launching a new phase of imperial development. If people want to find a real world referent for this, perhaps they should look to Africa – where a ten year arm wrestle for resources between the US (in the form of AFRICOM) and latterly joined by the EU (in the form of the G5 Sahel Joint Force): versus Chinese resource interests has… Read more »

BigB
BigB
Mar 21, 2018 9:51 AM
Reply to  Big B

To counter the idea that China is not crypto-fascist but ‘progressive ‘ …I would recommend the latest Corbett Report on the enforced conformism of “social credit”.
https://www.corbettreport.com/china-banning-people-from-transit-for-bad-social-credit-scores/

vexarb
vexarb
Mar 21, 2018 6:34 AM

The Saker sums us up, interview on his Vineyard: “an Empire built on lies, accepted on the basis of ignorance, justified by hypocrisy and energized by hysterics. This is what the ‘Western world’ stands for nowadays.”

bevin
bevin
Mar 20, 2018 10:41 PM

“That’s the mistake that most progressives make, to believe that because weaker capitalist states, be that in an economic or political or military dimension, are a target of future or imminent subjugation by the Imperial West, they are by definition anti-imperialist. They are not and cannot be, because ‘imperialism’ is the inescapable endgame of capital as soon as it begins to operate on a global scale…” It is really very simple,: the US Empire, successor to the great trading empires of western Europe which, largely as a result of the filthy habits of our forefathers who, over centuries developed immunities to certain diseases, were in the lucky position of inheriting the enormous wealth of the Americas at no great cost. This historic bonus -as much biological as in the form of precious metals- enabled the peripatetic western Emoire to finance the naval and, to a lesser extent, military power needed… Read more »

Mikalina
Mikalina
Mar 20, 2018 11:56 PM
Reply to  bevin

Get’s my vote.

BigB
BigB
Mar 21, 2018 11:31 AM
Reply to  Mikalina

Bevin, Mikalina: put more simply …the development of a global faux-prosperity is a function of cheap oil. It’s development tracks our ability to massively leverage human labour with hydrocarbons …nothing else. The financial economy is more or less (despite some recent weak decoupling) the energy economy. The Age of Oil has also recently passed its peak. The Laws of Physics predict a slow decline in economy which can no longer sustain the global industrialized and financialised economy. Nor can any perpetual growth paradigm replace it. The question should be: is anyone planning ahead?

BigB
BigB
Mar 21, 2018 11:58 AM
Reply to  Mikalina

The point I was building up to make (before I had to sell my labour the Man) was that imperialism and monopoly fossil capitalism are indistinct. Lenin was right: they are evil twins with the same DNA. Rather than draw distinction: all capitalist societies will develop that way. Some more ethically than others: but all are based on non-renewable resource consumption: and that paradigm is KILLING US. Essentially, they are all wrong, but the blame game won’t help. There is no benign tianxia capitalist solution: the best capitalism has to offer a lasting future society and regeneratively valorised environment is a curbing of excess and sustainable wind down to a new paradigm. Not BAU.

Norman Pilon
Norman Pilon
Mar 21, 2018 4:59 AM
Reply to  bevin

“The argument that China and Russia, Venezuela and Syria differ from the US Empire only in that their rulers lack the opportunities to establish global hegemony-but would do if they could- might be of interest to first year classes in moral philosophy. It makes no sense in our situation.” So in none of these countries do we have what a first year level student in political economy, if not in moral philosophy, might call bourgeoisies? No one, certainly not affiliated with the states of these countries, is about ‘making money.’ There are no landed or commercial oligarchies. No rising middle class professionals dreaming and scheming to get rich. There are no capitalist elites or what someone like me might quaintly refer to as a ruling class or power elites. There are no corporations with their board of directors. Cronyism is nonexistent. There is no clientelism. There are no banks out… Read more »

Jen
Jen
Mar 21, 2018 7:26 AM
Reply to  Norman Pilon

Rami Makhlouf is a cousin of Bashar al Assad. According to Wikipedia, he has (or had) interests in Syria’s telecommunications industry (part-owner of Syriatel), real estate and banking.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rami_Makhlouf
https://www.revolvy.com/main/index.php?s=Rami%20Makhlouf

Norman Pilon
Norman Pilon
Mar 21, 2018 7:28 AM
Reply to  Jen

27 Billion Dollars! That’s a lot of money, eh? Isn’t that his estimated worth? Or is that mere propaganda?

Norman Pilon
Norman Pilon
Mar 21, 2018 8:11 AM
Reply to  Jen

Just for laughs, because we know Syria does not have a neo-liberalized economy: Quote begins: And a good example of this outright plunder is precisely that of Assad’s first cousin, Rami Makhlouf, which my article showed was an example of direct connection between the mega-capitalist class and the military-security apparatus (and of course the extended tentacles of the ruling family). Rather than grapple with this reality, Tharappel chooses a side-point – my assertion that Makhlouf “controls 40-60 percent of the Syrian economy” – to claim this is an example of my “Alawi-phobic conspiracy.” Tharappel questions what this figure means and suggests instead that as Makhlouf’s net worth is reportedly about $5 billion, we can say that he owns “roughly 6 percent of Syria’s GDP.” OK, so let’s go with that for the moment. Australian GDP in 2014 was reported to be some US$1560 billion, while Forbes Asia estimated Gina Rinehart’s… Read more »

Admin
Admin
Mar 21, 2018 8:12 AM
Reply to  Norman Pilon

But you do agree we need for practical purposes to differentiate between aggressive militaristic imperialism and the definition of economic imperialism used to encompass Russia & China. Can we agree that if the US/UK “empire” would abide by international law and precepts of sovereignty to the same extent Russia/China currently do that the world would a least be more stable and far less dangerous? And can we agree that calling attention to this as well as to the dangerous abuses by western powers, is probably the most important thing at the moment? Unless we can transition away from this hyper-aggression there’s only limited likelihood any of us will survive, so maybe this currently should be our focus, leaving disputation about other economic definitions of imperialism for a future when questions of war and survival have receded? In other words – shall we worry about the warmongering lunatics threatening to kill… Read more »

Harry Law
Harry Law
Mar 21, 2018 1:04 PM
Reply to  Admin

“Can we agree that if the US/UK “empire” would abide by international law and precepts of sovereignty to the same extent Russia/China currently do that the world would a least be more stable and far less dangerous?” I agree with you, unfortunately we live in a world where all the veto wielding members of the UNSC are above International Law for all time… “There is a fundamental contradiction written into the UN Charter on the one hand, article 2[1] states; “The organization is based on the principle of the sovereign equality of all its Members.” But, on the other hand, Article 23 of the Charter grants five of its Members permanent seats on the Security Council, and Article 27 gives each of them a veto over decisions of the Council. Clearly, all Members are equal, but some Members are more equal than others. Thus all five veto wielding powers the… Read more »

BigB
BigB
Mar 21, 2018 1:06 PM
Reply to  Admin

In short: no. The solution to hyper-aggression is diagnosis: from a correct root cause analysis can proceed the tailored solution. The Davos jetset; Russia-China; even Corbyn have proposed more ethical and partially redistributive solutions …but none change the DNA of capital valorisation and accumulation. At best, this could be the start of a transition: but not a solution. The Law of the Succession of Societies [Zinoviev] would indicate you cannot go from A to Z without a hybridising transition …but you have to know the desired outcome to start the incremental process. I’m not talking about a mere transition of outward society: capitalism is an inheritable state of mind …acculturated trans-generationally. Imperialism and autarky are an extreme mass psychoses, projectionism and protectionism of a dying way of life. Can we find a solution based on inner peace? Maybe not: but maybe enough to curb our excesses? The looming alternatives are… Read more »

Norman Pilon
Norman Pilon
Mar 21, 2018 7:27 PM
Reply to  Admin

No. Not to my mind. Because if I construe the situation in terms of a dichotomous distinction between an ‘aggressive’ imperialist camp and one that is ‘conciliatory,’ I ally myself with one imperialistic camp against another, implicitly giving license to the weaker side to war against the stronger. The result is, if people buy into this logic en masse, that the working class of one camp is primed to murder the working class of the other. I say let the elites fight their battles among themselves, so that we can free ourselves to fight our battle against them all, which is our fight. Without ‘us,’ neither the more aggressive or conciliatory imperialist powers can go at each other, and ordinary people thereby would avoid the utterly useless and odious business of slaughtering each other on behalf of their own oppression. We need to stop siding with our enemy. We need… Read more »

Admin
Admin
Mar 21, 2018 8:38 PM
Reply to  Norman Pilon

That’s simply ignoring my point – which was that if both sides adhered to international law there would be no war, or at least there would be a lot less. Every conflict for the past thirty years has been more or less illegal and more or less instigated by the US/NATO nexus. If that nexus had been as prepared to abide by the law as have Russia and China (albeit for their own strategic interests) most of the wars, famines, instabilities and refugee crises would not have happened. This is not to argue one set of capitalists are essentially better, merely to point out their conduct is more conducive to peace. Your argument is flawed because it is a response to a different, and possibly now redundant paradigm. I am not arguing we should take up arms to defend anyone, so the “workers of the world unite” line isn’t relevant.… Read more »

Norman Pilon
Norman Pilon
Mar 22, 2018 1:58 AM
Reply to  Admin

I fail to see how I ignored your point though it strikes you as such. Both your first and second comment make a comparison between the militarily aggressive Imperial West, on the one hand, and the ostensibly conciliatory Eastern capitalist states, on the other. You want to know whether I agree with the contention of your comparison. I do not. Because when I make that comparison, I see two equally imperialistic camps. All are armed to the teeth, and all are posturing in a militarily aggressive fashion towards one another. The East is expanding its presence economically across the globe, making or trying to make incursions into what the West considers to be its spheres of influence, and the West also wants to both preserve and expand its frontiers despite being, for the time being, the dominant player. That is the incontestable reality and the dynamic that may lead to… Read more »

Jen
Jen
Mar 21, 2018 10:36 AM
Reply to  Norman Pilon

Makhlouf certainly has many fingers (and many toes) in companies in many industries; but this may suggest nothing more than that he has a huge and diversified investment portfolio. Whether he actually wields any power over the management of these companies might be another thing. The fact that he has financial interests in so many different businesses that on the surface have little in common might indicate that the extent of any control he has is limited to that of shareholder, albeit a major shareholder.
In capitalist economies, owners of businesses are not necessarily managers of the same, and Syria, for its lateness in exposing its economy to privatisation, is no different.

Norman Pilon
Norman Pilon
Mar 21, 2018 7:47 PM
Reply to  Jen

“Whether he actually wields any power over the management of these companies might be another thing.”
That hadn’t occurred to me, Jen. Thank you. I thought all billionaires were all hands on, directly and personally managing every decision, big and small, affecting every sequence in the circulation of their capitals.
But I guess they don’t directly manage every detail of every transaction that keeps them ascendant in political and economic and social terms.
Thus we should cut them some slack. Wealth is just something that has happened to them. Like the poverty of the many.
But seriously: yes, I do agree. There are no good or bad capitalists as such. But there are capitalists in a capitalist system, and capitalism ins’t working for the majority. In fact, it’s killing the majority, both figuratively and literally speaking.
Syria is but one glaring example among so many others.

Norman Pilon
Norman Pilon
Mar 21, 2018 5:23 AM
Reply to  bevin

Assad is not a neo-liberal? I thought I read that suggestion somewhere in what your wrote. I guess, then, that Raymond Hinnebusch is an a Washington agent. Be advised that if you follow up the link, it will take you to a big and complicated read, but it’s first year student level stuff. But I think it does kinda make the case that there is an element of neo-liberalism about the Syrian economy since about at least 2000 or thereabouts. Maybe Assad isn’t a neo-liberal, though, even if the economy of his country most definitely is.

Norman Pilon
Norman Pilon
Mar 21, 2018 5:48 AM
Reply to  Norman Pilon

Ooops. Mistake. That link takes you to video presentations by Hinnebusch. The link I wanted to share is this one:
Syria: from ‘authoritarian upgrading’ to revolution? — Raymond Hinnebusch (11/01/2012) | International Affairs

Norman Pilon
Norman Pilon
Mar 21, 2018 5:26 AM
Reply to  bevin

And then there is this bit by two Chinese academics speaking to the ‘socialist character’ of China: Rethinking Socialism: What is Socialist Transition? — Deng-Yuan Hsu and Pao-Yu Ching | ChingKang Mountains Institute
Because if facts matter and all of that.

Norman Pilon
Norman Pilon
Mar 21, 2018 5:33 AM
Reply to  bevin

The there is this thing I stumbled upon some while back. It has graphs and numbers and things in it. It, too, is a tedious read, but it does make an argument that it’s title makes obvious: Russia as a Great Imperialist Power
Be advised it’s a .pdf download. It’s safe. But not everyone wants to download what they aren’t certain of.
And of course, one’s person’s imperialism is for another person what can’t possibly be imperialism. I get it. Different definitions, I guess.

Harry Law
Harry Law
Mar 20, 2018 9:01 PM

May I recommend this article by Alexander Mercouris Now British media admits it in Skripal case: due process ‘does not apply’ to Russia http://theduran.com/skripal-case-british-media-admits-due-process-not-apply-russia/ He brings the Guardian’s Johnathan Freedland and the Times to task.

MichaelK
MichaelK
Mar 20, 2018 8:26 PM

The BBC was also rather peeved that Trump had telephoned Putin to congratulate him on his landslide electoral success and that according to Trump the conversation went very well indeed, so well in fact, that Trump talked about a meeting in the future. There was an obvious subtext here. Why hadn’t Trump publically and loudly condemned the Russian’s for their attack on Salisbury, why does he sound so friendly towards the Russians?
It’s flippin’ obvious. Trump doesn’t have a golf course near Salisbury or any plans to build a hotel complex with a casino there. Russia, on the other hand, is a land of opportunity, resort wise.

MichaelK
MichaelK
Mar 20, 2018 8:18 PM

I’ve just been listening to the Guardian’s Luke Harding, who is in the US, being interviewed on the BBC about the expulsion of the Russian diplomats, which, not surprisingly he endorses. It quickly shifted to Luke’s experience in Russia. This isn’t unusual. New Journalism puts the journalist at the centre of his journalism. Luke, having plugged his book, got onto his next most favourit subject, apart from Luke, which is Putin and Letveniko and how he’d been murdered using a radioactive teapot. It’s the details that count in fiction you know. Still, Luke, so dynamic and full of charged energy, began on his usual historic list of Russia’s murderous crimes… and it struck me that he’s got an impressive memory, added by constant repetition, even though it’s rather narrow and selective. For example, the deadly Russian list, is deemed of special and telling importance, revealing deep truths about the Russian… Read more »

Harry Law
Harry Law
Mar 20, 2018 4:08 PM

On being asked about the evidence the Government have on the the Salisbury incident, Sec Def Gavin Williamson said “Evidence? We ain’t got no evidence! We don’t need no evidence! I don’t have to show you any stinking evidence!” Now go away and shut up.

James Scott
James Scott
Mar 20, 2018 5:40 PM
Reply to  Harry Law

Yes evidence is a bloody nuisance when you are trying to fit someone up. It gets in the way of injustice and lets off the innocent. How the hell can we get the public baying for blood if we are constrained by evidence.

Norman Pilon
Norman Pilon
Mar 20, 2018 3:01 PM

Yes, of course, our Western overlords are trying to get us into a mood for war. And regardless of whatever mood they do manage to get ‘us’ into, they may yet take us to war with or without our general consent. But in reading about this farce that is the Skripal affair against the backdrop of some of the comments being appended to what I’ve read, not merely here at Off-G but elsewhere, something else also becomes concerning: while people are seeing through the propaganda ploy, some are apt to fall into a partisanship that might not be in their interest. To quote something I only just left with Schlüter (to save myself some effort): Quote begins: We’ve been down this road before. Ordinary people once again are confronted with a choice: my working class identity or that of my belligerent nation. In the lead up to the last great… Read more »

Vaska
Vaska
Mar 20, 2018 3:22 PM
Reply to  Norman Pilon

Chinese-Russian imperialists? This isn’t the first time I’ve seen an attempt — invariably made on the rhetorical level only, as there are no facts to support such a claim — at putting an equation mark between Western imperialism and the trading and infrastructure projects funded by China and Russia, respectively.
At this juncture in history, the most important struggle is to prevent the establishment of fascism on a global scale, which is what the corporatist globalization being pushed by the West comes down to. Should China and/or Russia ever show tendencies at copying the West in this respect, it will become necessary to oppose them, too. Should India one day attempt it, the same will hold in relation to it, also. Until such a time arises, I see no real-life referent for that most tendentious phrase, “Chinese-Russian imperialists”.

Norman Pilon
Norman Pilon
Mar 20, 2018 3:26 PM
Reply to  Vaska

Here is the only “fact” that you need: CAPITALISM

Norman Pilon
Norman Pilon
Mar 20, 2018 3:32 PM
Reply to  Vaska

“Chinese-Russian imperialists? This isn’t the first time I’ve seen an attempt — invariably made on the rhetorical level only, as there are no facts to support such a claim — at putting an equation mark between Western imperialism and the trading and infrastructure projects funded by China and Russia, respectively.”
Did you follow the link to the comment? It may be less “rhetorical” than you think.

Norman Pilon
Norman Pilon
Mar 20, 2018 3:38 PM
Reply to  Norman Pilon

Well I tried the link, and it’s a dud. Here is the comment in full: Quote begins: Pablo Novi · 12 hours ago What the US says about China doesn’t make it true. Agreed. CHINA HAS NEVER BEEN SOCIALIST; AND NOW WITH ITS WELL-DEVELOPED CAPITALISM; IT’S A MONOPOLY-CAPITALIST / IMPERIALIST POWER BUT, China is not and has never been socialist; it’s always been capitalist and now it has 250 BILLIONAIRES – the 100% proof that it is not only capitalist, but MONOPOLY-CAPITALIST; and Lenin proved to the world that Monopoly-Capitalism IS Imperialism and Imperialism Means War. IF YOU CAN’T BEAT THE TOP DOG IMPERIALIST POWER (THE U.S.), TEMPORARILY CONTINUE TO TRY TO OUTMANUEVER THEM ECONOMICALLY True, TEMPORARILY, China is pushing peaceful projects – after all, what option does it have; neither it nor Russia is in the position YET to challenge the US militarily – or we would have seen… Read more »

Mikalina
Mikalina
Mar 20, 2018 4:12 PM
Reply to  Norman Pilon

I think I’ll go with Escobar:
“Yet BRI is not a matter of geopolitical control supported by military might; it’s about added geopolitical projection based on trade-and-investment connectivity.”
…rather than your unsubstantiated ‘comment’.

Nicolas Maroudas
Nicolas Maroudas
Mar 20, 2018 8:06 PM
Reply to  Norman Pilon

@Pilon. Your fears are very reasonable, in a general sort of way; but when one comes down to specifics, right here and right now, the 1000-odd “Western” billionaires (including Israeli, Saudi and others funding terrorism and waging war in the ME) are a million times more destructive than the 250 Chinese billionaires. I smell Soros Fake Left.
And Pepe smells Capitalist jealousy. From his article:

It’s all about preventing the emergence not only of a “peer competitor,” but worse: a New Silk Road-enabled trade/connectivity condominium – featuring China, Russia, Iran and Turkey – as powerful across the East as the US still remains across the much-troubled “Western Hemisphere.”

That has nothing to do with Chinese neo-imperialism.

Norman Pilon
Norman Pilon
Mar 21, 2018 7:50 PM

“I smell Soros Fake Left.”
Maybe it’s time for a shower?

Jen
Jen
Mar 21, 2018 10:52 AM
Reply to  Norman Pilon

At least the Russians and Chinese do not pretend that their variant of imperialism, currently manifested in cultivating trade relationships or building infrastructure projects in various parts of the Third World, will bring democracy, freedom and free market competition (and the benefits that is supposed to bring) that the US used to blindside other nations with in the past.

BigB
BigB
Mar 20, 2018 8:14 PM
Reply to  Vaska

Vaska: you might want to check out who is buying the corporatocracy. Their biggest acquisition so far has been Syngenta for $44bn by ChemChina. Syngenta are a major GMO agrochemical biotechnology corporation: one of the beneficiaries of L Paul Bremer’s infamous Rule 81. Will they become an ethical monopoly under the majority control of Chinese capital? I think not.
Without getting partisan and defensive: perhaps the best thing to do is take the overview …the holistic systems analytical POV. China is the main contributor to global GDP which is projected to grow at 3-4% pa: that means the global economy will double every 25-30 years. The laws of capital valorisation and accumulation determine this. What are we going to grow into: a new planet?

Jen
Jen
Mar 21, 2018 12:34 AM
Reply to  BigB

ChemChina’s Wikipedia entry, on how the company began:
“… ChemChina began as a small solvents factory called Bluestar Company (Chinese: 蓝星公司), founded by Ren Jianxin in 1984 with a 10,000-yuan loan … Ren created the ChemChina empire by taking control of over 100 troubled state-owned chemical factories across China, with the government retaining ownership. Meanwhile, he avoided laying off excess workers by shifting them to the company’s Malan Noodle … restaurant chain … He brought in consultants to professionalize the company’s management, and it has become one of China’s most dynamic state enterprises … ”
Chinese company demonstrating its imperialist credentials by moving workers away from the factory floor handling test tubes and syringes to the kitchen floor handling meat cleavers. Watch out, Mr Ren!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ChemChina

BigB
BigB
Mar 21, 2018 10:43 AM
Reply to  Jen

Chinalco and Alcoa acquired a 12% stake in eco-terrorist Rio Tinto to stave off a hike in commodity prices if BHP and Rio merged into a monopoly. Not military: but financial protectionism (autarky) nonetheless. Does Rio’s use of mercenaries against indigenous peoples in South America count as quasi-imperial or proto-fascist?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/2783752/Rio-Tinto-rocked-by-Chinese-investment.html

Michael Leigh
Michael Leigh
Mar 20, 2018 11:49 PM
Reply to  Vaska

Actually, this is not to prove of a scientific fact, but by way of my own eccentricity it is purely out of curiosity and not intended to be definite proven fact(s), but in the spirit of amateurish pseudo-science ! definetly, I decided to check the British Government’s ” believabllity ” among among website commentators of all political shades of bias and political orientation’ And, to checkout the number of reader comments, for and against Mde T May allegations against Russia ? So by visiting a random choice of so-called fake internet news sites, ( including Russia Today) among my random sample incidentally, and by simply counting the individual reader comments, particularly as to those individuals who did choose to believe; the British evidence-free Salisbury bullshit? In total I visited some 43 different websites to count and assess web-site visitor comments and opinions by individual internet visits, where I calulated and… Read more »

falcemartello
falcemartello
Mar 21, 2018 12:27 AM
Reply to  Vaska

Well said. How can any one argue otherwise. Verifiable fiduciary facts point to the obvious conclusion. Since the 70’s the financialisation of western economies gains steam. The blatant attacks on labour unions goes into full swing. Thatcherism becomes an economic and political meme. Reagan becomes POTUS .Becomes an extension of Thatcherism and coined Reaganomics. “TRICKLE DOWN ECONOMICS” The Atlanatacist gain full spectrum dominance in economics and perception management of social ,economics and political matters enters a Hollywoodian realm. Voodoo government accounting becomes the norm shifting government costs and then hiding the increases in service costs by indicating economic gains in the private sector to off set any losses. Wage gains since 1976 to 2014 when factoring year to year inflation compared to actual inflation are negligible . Purchasing power of the average Joanne and Joe has actually diminished according to UN ,EU and US data. The wage and economic gap… Read more »

Mikalina
Mikalina
Mar 20, 2018 4:01 PM
Reply to  Norman Pilon

“That’s the mistake that most progressives make, to believe that because weaker capitalist states, be that in an economic or political or military dimension, are a target of future or imminent subjugation by the Imperial West, they are by definition anti-imperialist.”
You base your opinion around this false assumption; in fact, this straw man, which you then attempt to demolish. You assign a ‘stupid’ herd attitude/response to “most progressives”, of the ‘two legs good, four legs bad’ dichotomy (a false dichotomy which appears to permeate your own logic). Pro something does not mean anti something else.+
You are also arguing within a western paradigm of thoughts, experiences, philosophy and ‘awareness’. You are assuming that all peoples are like you and that the best way of life is your way of life. Fascism lies down that road, my friend.

Norman Pilon
Norman Pilon
Mar 20, 2018 4:40 PM
Reply to  Mikalina

Dear Mikalina, What is my contention? A society that is capitalist — economically, politically, and culturally — attempting to carve out a place for itself globally is ipso facto imperialistic. Investments, if they are capitalist, are always for a “profit” or a “return.” Consequently, if China — like any other capitalist bloc — is making “capitalist” “investments” in other jurisdictions, it does so because it “calculates” that it can make a “profit,” no? And what does it mean for China to make a profit in other jurisdictions? That “value” will have extracted from those jurisdictions, right? What is the essence of imperialism if not the extraction of value from other jurisdictions or nations? See how that works? Or is China providing services for free or at no cost, with no strings attached? But to return to my “most progressives” blunder, which admittedly should have been written as “some progressives” (if… Read more »

Mikalina
Mikalina
Mar 20, 2018 8:58 PM
Reply to  Norman Pilon

Thank you for your answer. Do you think there is something in “I’ll scratch your back, if you’ll scratch mine” as opposed to “scratch my back, slave.”?

Norman Pilon
Norman Pilon
Mar 21, 2018 2:49 AM
Reply to  Mikalina

No. You will have to explain it to me. How does capital scratch labor’s back while labor scratches its back. I was under the impression that it made for a form of slavery. But what do I know.

Schlüter
Schlüter
Mar 20, 2018 1:09 PM

See also:
“The Anti-Russia Show Must go on – Another Setup?!”: https://wipokuli.wordpress.com/2018/03/20/the-anti-russia-show-must-go-on-another-setup/
Regards

Yonatan
Yonatan
Mar 20, 2018 12:54 PM

People think it was 911 that changed the US. It wasn’t. There were politicians and jpournalists, and ordinary people who opposed the US PATRIOT Act. It took the Anthrax attack, targetting those opponent journalists and politicians, that allowed the PATRIOT Act to be rammed through. The attack was also constructed to frame Muslims as the scapegoat. Who has form in attacking the US and getting away with it? Who benefitted from this?

Greg Bacon
Greg Bacon
Mar 20, 2018 12:36 PM

Remember that one note that came with one of the anthrax letters that said, “Death to America, death to Israel?”
That’s all you need to know about who was behind the anthrax scares, the same SLC ME nation that masterminded the 9/11 False Flag had a hand in scaring Americans into backing the illegal and immoral Iraq War.
http://www.911history.de/aaannxyz_ch11_en.html
With Israeli PM Nuttyahoo’s pet as the American UN ambassador, we’re assured to get an endless barrage of war mongering from ‘Nutty’ Nikki.
Which begs the question, was Nutty Nikki born a mean, hateful, blood-thirsty homicidal maniac or is she paid to act that way?

vexarb
vexarb
Mar 21, 2018 5:39 AM
Reply to  Greg Bacon

Paid to act that way. “Love of money is the root of many evils”. But many harmess people with no axe to grind (except the axe which chops the firewood to bake their daily bread) will just go with the flow, be it for good or evil, a multitude driven by warring winds following an ever changing flag — somewhat like the crowds in the Second Circle of Dante’s Inferno.
“So many, I had not thought Death had undone so many” — TS Eliot, The Waste Land

Edwige
Edwige
Mar 20, 2018 12:19 PM

Another anthrax stories that has been playing in the US (the UK media didn’t seem to pick it up):
http://www.newsweek.com/north-korea-wants-hit-us-anthrax-tipped-missile-753355
Would an anthrax-tipped missile even work – except to sound scary and soften up the public for more regime change?

stevehayes13
stevehayes13
Mar 20, 2018 12:02 PM

The war on Iraq was, revealingly, initially called Operation Iraqi Liberation.
https://youtu.be/GoSBqs6y8uM

mog
mog
Mar 20, 2018 1:14 PM
Reply to  stevehayes13

That is great, not seen that before.

Nicolas Maroudas
Nicolas Maroudas
Mar 20, 2018 12:00 PM

@Sivonda. “We aiirr doomed, I tell Ye, doomed!”. Don’t worry, nuclear weapons are only used against a defeated enemy or a small power who can’t lob one back. Syria, Iran/Hezb and Russia are actually doing very well against “our irresistble armed might” in the Middle East; and the Yanks still remember how many men they lost trying to take over NK and Vietnam in the Far East (a handy reminder was erected not far from the WhiteHouse).

Harry Stotle
Harry Stotle
Mar 20, 2018 10:27 AM

The parallels between operation anthrax and commie dust, sorry, I meant novichok are striking.
The moral seems to be that the public will automatically suspend critical faculties once national security is invoked (presumably because they are all shitting themselves) while liars like Colin Powell (back then) and Boris Johnson today, both aided and abetted by the MSM, can lie to their hearts content safe in the knowledge that there will no meaningful consequences once their lies are exposed, and no matter how much suffering arises from their paranoia.
What is particularly laughable is the way Johnson has made great efforts to rubbish the EU yet is now begging them to back Britain up against t’evil Rooskies – he really is the embodiment of everything that is rotten with the British establishment.

mog
mog
Mar 20, 2018 11:43 AM
Reply to  Harry Stotle

What about ‘cosmic commie dust’….?
The soviets hid it on a secret satellite, Putin spent years deciphering the command codes so as to bring it back to Earth, now they have it, the super weapon, it is ‘intelligent nerve agent’ which only affects dissidents, once imbibed it can lay poised to kill for hours, then can be activated via nanobots flown to the crime scene on Siberian winds….
Will we ever be free of those Goddam Commies?

Harry Stotle
Harry Stotle
Mar 20, 2018 12:02 PM
Reply to  mog

I must say, Mog, your theory seems far more plausible than the carefully crafted semantics employed by the British establishment to rationalise dodgy claims about what happened in Salisbury.
If the science was solid why has the BEEB resorted to photo-shopping images of any politician who dare suggest a degree of caution before we are all enveloped by yet another neocon catastrophe?

Admin
Admin
Mar 21, 2018 12:09 AM
Reply to  mog

Can’t you see Luke’s next book: “EAST WIND: how Putin’s Red Nanobots brought death to a sleepy English town”

Michael Leigh
Michael Leigh
Mar 20, 2018 8:43 AM

Presumably the international, Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons, OPCW team will be able to meet the current alleged Salisbury ‘ Novochik Poisoning victims ‘, and take from them blood samples, to evidence a direct connection between the victims samples and the Porton Down government samples ?
And, if this does not happen it is to be hoped that current craven members of Parliament will immediately vote to imprison and charge Mde T May and her Government.

vexarb
vexarb
Mar 21, 2018 5:53 AM
Reply to  Michael Leigh

@Leigh. “Blood sample were taken [in Salisbury Hospital A&E] and showed no abnormalities. No patient is being treated for nerve poison” — Salisbury physician’s Letter to the Times, March 16.
Funny how chicken images keeps popping up in my head. On the “Heading for War” thread I described the Theresa May regime as “no war, just running around like headless chickens”. Now it looks more like a Chicken Licken regime.

joekano76
joekano76
Mar 20, 2018 6:19 AM

Reblogged this on Floating-voter.

rogerglewis
rogerglewis
Mar 20, 2018 5:40 AM


this is a very interesting documentary mentioned in this Corbet report.

The sheer silliness of Mays Statement and outright naked mendacity of Boris Johnsons public utterances are laid bare by the CBC Anthrax Film.
http://letthemconfectsweeterlies.blogspot.se/2018/03/at-times-like-these-epictetus-or.html

summitflyer
summitflyer
Mar 20, 2018 1:30 PM
Reply to  rogerglewis

Back in the day ,not so long ago ,when the CBC had any semblance of integrity in reporting . Sad to say it no longer has.But thanks for the memories.

Stephen Sivonda
Stephen Sivonda
Mar 20, 2018 3:25 AM

Looking back ,at least as far as Reagan’s 2 terms and what went on during those years up to today and all the horrid things that the US has done is shocking . Of course many have gotten wealthy off of the illegal actions by our Govt. , and in turn it has cost millions of live, untold billions in destruction and many other far reaching ramifications . Now …with the ongoing targeting of Russia, Iran, Syria , North Korea and several other nations the very real possibility of a nuclear holocaust is becoming imminent . Once you step off the cliff…there is NO going back.

Mikalina
Mikalina
Mar 20, 2018 2:59 PM

I am in blood/Stepped in so far that, should I wade no more,/Returning were as tedious as go o’er.
Macbeth, Act III, Sc 4