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Guardian archive 2003: Macmillan backed Syria assassination plot

UK prime minister Harold Macmillan and US president Dwight Eisenhower discuss intervention in Syria in 1957

Back in 2003 the Guardian still remembered – sometimes – that facts are sacred and even occasionally spoke truth to power. Here it tells the story of the UK’s various conspiracies (there really is no other word) to overthrow the Syrian government in 1957, by means of false flags, “encouraging internal dissent” and assassination of key figures. Can Jonathan Freedland, Nick Cohen et al still claim the West has the moral high ground when fifteen years ago their own paper was proving it didn’t and never had?

SOURCE:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2003/sep/27/uk.syria1

Documents show White House and No 10 conspired over oil-fuelled invasion plan

Nearly 50 years before the war in Iraq, Britain and America sought a secretive “regime change” in another Arab country they accused of spreading terror and threatening the west’s oil supplies, by planning the invasion of Syria and the assassination of leading figures.
Newly discovered documents show how in 1957 Harold Macmillan and President Dwight Eisenhower approved a CIA-MI6 plan to stage fake border incidents as an excuse for an invasion by Syria’s pro-western neighbours, and then to “eliminate” the most influential triumvirate in Damascus.

The plans, frighteningly frank in their discussion, were discovered in the private papers of Duncan Sandys, Mr Macmillan’s defence secretary, by Matthew Jones, a reader in international history at Royal Holloway, University of London.

Although historians know that intelligence services had sought to topple the Syrian regime in the autumn of 1957, this is the first time any document has been found showing that the assassination of three leading figures was at the heart of the scheme. In the document drawn up by a top secret and high-level working group that met in Washington in September 1957, Mr Macmillan and President Eisenhower were left in no doubt about the need to assassinate the top men in Damascus.

Part of the “preferred plan” reads “In order to facilitate the action of liberative forces, reduce the capabilities of the Syrian regime to organise and direct its military actions, to hold losses and destruction to a minimum, and to bring about desired results in the shortest possible time, a special effort should be made to eliminate certain key individuals. Their removal should be accomplished early in the course of the uprising and intervention and in the light of circumstances existing at the time.

The document, approved by London and Washington, named three men: Abd al-Hamid Sarraj, head of Syrian military intelligence; Afif al-Bizri, chief of the Syrian general staff; and Khalid Bakdash, leader of the Syrian Communist party.

For a prime minister who had largely come to power on the back of Anthony Eden’s disastrous antics in Suez just a year before, Mr Macmillan was remarkably bellicose. He described it in his diary as “a most formidable report”. Secrecy was so great, Mr Macmillan ordered the plan withheld even from British chiefs of staff, because of their tendency “to chatter”.

Concern about the increasingly anti-western and pro-Soviet sympathies of Syria had been growing in Downing Street and the White House since the overthrow of the conservative military regime of Colonel Adib Shishakli by an alliance of Ba’ath party and Communist party politicians and their allies in the Syrian army, in 1954.

Driving the call for action was the CIA’s Middle East chief Kermit Roosevelt, grandson of former president Theodore Roosevelt. He identified Colonel Sarraj, General al-Bizri and Mr Bakdash as the real power behind a figurehead president. The triumvirate had moved even closer to Nikita Khrushchev’s orbit after the previous year’s disastrous attempt by Britain and France, in collusion with Israel, to reverse the nationalisation of the Suez canal.

By 1957, despite America’s opposition to the Suez move, President Eisenhower felt he could no longer ignore the danger of Syria becoming a centre for Moscow to spread communism throughout the Middle East. He and Mr Macmillan feared Syria would destabilise pro-western neighbours by exporting terrorism and encouraging internal dissent. More importantly, Syria also had control of one of the main oil arteries of the Middle East, the pipeline which connected pro-western Iraq’s oilfields to Turkey.

The “preferred plan”adds: “Once a political decision is reached to proceed with internal disturbances in Syria, CIA is prepared, and SIS [MI6] will attempt, to mount minor sabotage and coup de main incidents within Syria, working through contacts with individuals.

“The two services should consult, as appropriate, to avoid any overlapping or interference with each other’s activities… Incidents should not be concentrated in Damascus; the operation should not be overdone; and to the extent possible care should be taken to avoid causing key leaders of the Syrian regime to take additional personal protection measures.

Sabotage
The report said that once the necessary degree of fear had been created, frontier incidents and border clashes would be staged to provide a pretext for Iraqi and Jordanian military intervention. Syria had to be “made to appear as the sponsor of plots, sabotage and violence directed against neighbouring governments,” the report says. “CIA and SIS should use their capabilities in both the psychological and action fields to augment tension.” That meant operations in Jordan, Iraq, and Lebanon, taking the form of “sabotage, national conspiracies and various strong-arm activities” to be blamed on Damascus.

The plan called for funding of a “Free Syria Committee”, and the arming of “political factions with paramilitary or other actionist capabilities” within Syria. The CIA and MI6 would instigate internal uprisings, for instance by the Druze in the south, help to free political prisoners held in the Mezze prison, and stir up the Muslim Brotherhood in Damascus.

The planners envisaged replacing the Ba’ath/Communist regime with one that was firmly anti-Soviet, but they conceded that this would not be popular and “would probably need to rely first upon repressive measures and arbitrary exercise of power”.

The plan was never used, chiefly because Syria’s Arab neighbours could not be persuaded to take action and an attack from Turkey alone was thought to be unacceptable. The following year, the Ba’athists moved against their Communist former allies and took Syria into a federation with Gen Nasser’s Egypt, which lasted until 1963.

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tomiejones
tomiejones
May 16, 2018 4:46 PM

Reblogged this on circusbuoy.

USAma Bin Laden
USAma Bin Laden
May 16, 2018 1:31 AM

I see that the discussion for this Guardian article, which exposes British state terrorism against Syria, has been hijacked to divert attention from this very embarrassing example of Western “democracy promotion” (sic) efforts and channel them towards debates about “repression” in Anglo enemy states. It’s really quite amusing how the more bloodthirsty and ruthless Western imperial democracies are in subjugating other nations, the more their citizens stridently insist that they are really well-meaning crusaders for democracy around the world–just ignore how many governments they have destroyed, leaders they have murdered, and countries they have raped. Libya, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Yugoslavia are merely a short list of nation recently bombed back to the Stone Age by the Anglo-Americans in particular. That is not a coincidence, as Western Liberal Democracy is nothing more than a modern day version of the Western Civilizing Mission and White Man’s Burden–a propaganda mask for Western war… Read more »

balkydj
balkydj
May 16, 2018 8:16 AM

Top CLASS comment .. !
Which puts “LITTLE BOY” Bibi & “FAT MAN” Trump into some form of objective historical perspective , in a rational manner ..
Your comment shines like the brightest STAR
& ‘ta’.. for elaborating & the edifying energy expended.

reinertorheit
reinertorheit
May 16, 2018 9:57 AM
balkydj
balkydj
May 16, 2018 2:18 PM
Reply to  reinertorheit

You have no idea how much that makes me Laff’ n’ Laff, having parked my Truck & Trailer right next to ‘IT’ , (many times), in order to unload (& observe 🙂 ) & re-load the WHOLE damned contents, personally ! !!
‘Their’ widely various behaviours, the widely various equipment & baggage &&& i especially enjoyed the Al-Gore Family inc./k etched in my memory, (more than the Clintons), indelibly ..
LALALand states of mind , body & soul ..
Lol, naaaah LMAO >> BWAHAHAHAHA >> (nice one ! 🙂 🙂

reinertorheit
reinertorheit
May 16, 2018 2:30 PM
Reply to  balkydj

It was back in the days when Steve Bell was a respected cartoonist. These days he’s just another Grauniad rent-a-gob, sadly.

bevin
bevin
May 15, 2018 7:16 PM

Blimey, 73 comments on and only a couple mention Syria.
This is a good piece by someone who understands the region, As`ad AbuKhalil:
https://consortiumnews.com/2018/05/15/the-unrecognized-us-contribution-to-bloodshed-in-syria-part-two/#comments.
There is a link to Part One at the beginning of the piece.

balkydj
balkydj
May 15, 2018 10:25 PM
Reply to  bevin

I thought the idea of the article was to demonstrate age old Male Malice Aforethought 🙂 thus I mentioned Egypt & Israel, for some extra connectivity to demonstrate how the warring desires of Zionists never stopped, from WW2 onwards & the obvious age ole’ colonialist ZIONIST desires to dictate in the “region”: even, Britain’s abuse of Egypt’s National Heritage (A Pyramid) for Military Intelligence, prior to Suez, and tendered a bit of background and how women were not to blame:) if you want more up to date , try this following link .. coz’ your link (2 effectively) just mentions the usual US Media White Wash & history already well known: but what nobody is discussing is that Erdogan (NATO member) has withdrawn his diplomats , yep >> breaking YESTERDAY , lol ** NATO member Turkey withdraws US & Israeli Diplomats ! ! ** https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/05/turkey-recalls-ambassadors-israel-united-states-180514200635590.html In fact The Guardian reports… Read more »

wardropper
wardropper
May 15, 2018 5:33 PM

As a civilization we have clearly reached the rock-bottom, nitty-gritty, fundamental fact that politics is basically the art of bullying other people into submission, and that anyone today who actually WANTS to go into politics is basically advertising psycopathic tendencies.
I don’t think the diagnosis of the problem is an issue any longer.
The issue is entirely what we can do about it.
My own view is that the subject of intelligence (comprising all kinds of imaginative, as well as scientific, talents) is crucial, and that this planet can simply no longer be run by people who are self-centred numskulls.
Universal death and destruction are the inevitable consequence of failing to address this.

Mulga Mumblebrain
Mulga Mumblebrain
May 15, 2018 9:03 PM
Reply to  wardropper

Your comment is true of all capitalist states, where the system promotes psychopaths and represses human beings. It is most particularly true of the West, the Anglosphere in particular, and states under the rule of religious fundamentalist fanatics, like India under Modi, Israel, Sordid Arabia and the other Wahhabist tyrannies, Japan under the Imperialist revanchist Abe etc. Whenever any state commences to attempt to create a society not ruled by vicious, parasitic, blood-sucking capitalist misanthropes, the USA and its stooges move Heaven and Hell to destroy the danger of the ‘good example’.

Toby
Toby
May 15, 2018 9:20 PM

I would go so far as to say that’s true of all states that overcome humanity’s strongly fissiparous tendencies beyond group sizes of around 150 souls. Those states that really get their skates on, have a goodly amount of resources, sufficient surplus to develop scientific advance and an effective set of unifying myths grow faster and more aggressively than others and come to dominate the landscape. It just so happens that the cancerous ideology of capitalism is a good fit for this rapacious dynamic. Add oil into the mix and you see the state’s true colours come shining through. In my view, it’s direct democracy that will prove to be the healthier way of organising ourselves along less greed- and fear-based lines. But it’s a huge ask, never been done before at this scale and with such an unfortunately and thoroughly dumbed-down populace, not to mention such amassed power marshalled… Read more »

wardropper
wardropper
May 16, 2018 5:11 AM
Reply to  Toby

Excellent ideal, but I have to remind myself that Plato, 2,000 years ago, also considered direct democracy an “okay” ideal, but one which tended to degenerate into anarchy. I gather the ancient Greeks even possessed such a democracy for a short time, with a very high percentage of the community actively contributing to discussion and organization of culture, education and the furtherance of general intelligence…
That high percentage is now stuck in front of its football-laden flat screens.

Toby
Toby
May 16, 2018 7:34 AM
Reply to  wardropper

The idea I sketched out is simply a reformulation of anarchy, which means leaderless self-organising. Anarchy is not chaos, not lawlessness, it’s simply as flat, flexible and transparent a ‘hierarchy’ as humans can manage. Don’t quote me on this and I can’t remember the name or dates of the civilisation, but a BBC documentary a few years back covered an anarchic civilisation that ran for 1,400 years. Quite a stretch. And if you take a peek in Mutual Aid (Kropotkin) you’ll see European city states of the Middle Ages cast as primarily anarchist setups.
But yes, bread-and-circus and divide-and-conquer tactics are extremely effective.
In other words, we’re not talking about an impossible ideal, we’re talking about an almighty challenge. Important distinction.

Mulga Mumblebrain
Mulga Mumblebrain
May 16, 2018 8:16 AM
Reply to  Toby

I reckon a strong central Government run by a party of power that anyone can join, and rise according to their merits, which party directs economic, foreign and social policy along rational and utilitarian lines, and allows and encourages direct democracy at the local and community level, is the best model. Individual accumulations of wealth out to be severely restricted and taxed heavily between generations. Ecological survivabilty needs to be the supreme priority, and those who find their ‘freedom’ and ‘enterprise’ thus thwarted ought to be given a free one-way ticket to the USA or UK or some other ‘Free Market Paradise’.

Toby
Toby
May 16, 2018 8:38 AM

Slightly off topic, but tangentially related I feel, so… Ecological survivabilty needs to be the supreme priority For this to be systemically robust, in my view, we would need a new economics that has radically different definitions and wealth and value at its core. Hence: Individual accumulations of wealth ought not to be impossible in the first place. This is a critical point. Capitalism is about leveraging accumulated wealth/value. If our ‘new’ system continues to equate money with wealth, that equation would act corrosively on civic cohesion over time. It would make it ‘rational’ to strive to be far ‘richer’ than others, which is why capitalism is a more effective model for money-based ideas of wealth. Wealth ought to be reconceived as interdependent individual health emerging from healthy environment, community, trust, etc. Economics would need to be about sensible husbandry of ecological processes, that sort of thing. I also think… Read more »

Mulga Mumblebrain
Mulga Mumblebrain
May 16, 2018 11:38 PM
Reply to  Toby

Without a strong central Government the psychopaths would take over because of their delight in killing, stealing, bullying etc. Indeed that is the situation under all Free Market states, as we can see all about us. To keep the Government from itself becoming dominated by psychopaths is difficult, but not impossible. Under capitalism it is inevitable. Did you mean to say, ‘…individual accumulations of wealth ought not to be POSSIBLE in the first place’, rather than ‘impossible’?

Alpha Particle
Alpha Particle
May 17, 2018 12:37 AM

We HAVE a strong central govt, and we have had in most of the western world for most of our history. Strong central govt is the preferred system of the 1%.
And environmentalism is their preferred method of selling fascism – in a cool Green box

Mulga Mumblebrain
Mulga Mumblebrain
May 17, 2018 7:49 AM
Reply to  Alpha Particle

I should have said a ‘strong, benign, central Government, consisting of human beings, not psychopaths’. A critical problem is to keep the psychopaths OUT. As to your comments re. environmentalism, do you deny the various pollution crises, the most dangerous anthropogenic climate destabilisation, assailing the planet?

Toby
Toby
May 17, 2018 8:19 AM

Without a strong central Government the psychopaths [do] take over because of their love of power. Isn’t my edited version truer? Haven’t we seen that throughout history? Here’s my logic in, I hope, an improved formulation: 1 Infinite growth of anything physical on a finite planet is impossible. 2 States are ‘endemically’ growth-based because they are hierarchical and property-based in their origins. This structural dynamic emerges from a scarcity-based view of nature, itself rooted in farming. Farming divides nature into friend and foe, sets a boundary wall between the domesticated and the wild. The strong tendencies of both halves of this unfortunate dichotomy to reunite have to be fought against in perpetuity at the same time that farming requires ‘owned’ land that can barely produce enough. After a long time and lots of practice, farming gets to produce a surplus. That surplus attracts ‘thieves’ who set up protection rackets based… Read more »

Toby
Toby
May 17, 2018 8:40 AM
Reply to  Toby

Argh!!!
I misremembered my original comment. My bad. Yes, “ought not to be possible”, or “ought to be impossible”. Sorry for the repeated confusion.
Editing function please, dear admins!

vierotchka
vierotchka
May 18, 2018 9:19 PM
Reply to  Toby

The admins cannot do anything about editing – it is a WordPress site and it is WordPress that hasn’t introduced an editing function.

Admin
Admin
May 18, 2018 10:15 PM
Reply to  vierotchka

Not true at all, V. We are planning to upgrade the comment software as part of the upgrade, hopefully to include an edit function.

vierotchka
vierotchka
May 18, 2018 10:27 PM
Reply to  Admin

My bad, then. I was under that impression because I haven’t seen a single WordPress site with editing included in comments. 🙂

Toby
Toby
May 17, 2018 8:35 AM

I just want to quickly add that I’m happy to be wrong about this. There are many ways, I guess, that we can set up a more honest and transparent system. What matters far more than how you, I, and anyone else discusses what is ‘needed’ – i.e., our preferred prescription for a Better World – is the combination of our intentions and competence/maturity going forward. After that, it will be about experimentation, as it always is.

balkydj
balkydj
May 18, 2018 9:47 AM
Reply to  Toby

Funnily enough, dat’s exactly the way I see it: and i believe a sophisticated Open A.i & ‘eye’ , might just make life a whole lot easier in terms of establishing any one’s true M.O. or Mens Rea, in the most non-pedantic & positive of “fashions” .. soon enough.
And dat’s what counts, sharing positive reasoned intentions from which we collectively learn to confront our own fallible characters, even demons, whilst tendering real time solutions, trial & error .. compounded by binary learning .

balkydj
balkydj
May 16, 2018 10:41 AM

Warning, off topic 🙂 🙂 Local Democracy ?? Hmmmm, with safe Guards & Moral actioning & some fail safes, a very complex question indeed.. thus , i must hope for & trust in Chinese A.i. >> the all seeing eye in a Pyramid Diamond Photon formulation !! Because, the Turkish Wood Mafia here, with full governmental corrupted cooperation, & EU Cognisance (scything the Original First ever European Forest & Holy Cow (the Rodope Short Horn), post Ice-age, Homeland Forest of Orpheus and it’s truly unique invaluable bio-diversity & European Heritage), have imported a cheaper than cheap & cheekier than Trump Roma Labour Force, with zero education or any comprehension of environment or hygiene or Moral Values of any sorts, whom my wife must now teach in school, due to the ‘economically enforced’ (& with fear) exodus of all young Bulgarians and half of the Pomak / educated Turks, too !… Read more »

Freedom Fighter
Freedom Fighter
May 16, 2018 12:43 PM

You are literally advocating a one-party state?

balkydj
balkydj
May 16, 2018 4:58 PM

I think what I am expressing is what Irina Bokova @UNESCO established , not long ago , in Law, finally at the U.N. & that is that >> “The Destruction of Culture is a Terrorist Act” and the development of a sophisticated A.i. that incorporates , also Roma Culture as well, in a responsible proportional & accountable manner, would be for the benefit of ALL Scientific Humanity & societal recognition .. Whilst respecting our one common Environment , Biosphere , Climate Change experience & MOST importantly our one common Ionosphere & Magnetosphere, which is quintessential to the conductivity of any and ALL ENERGY forms connected to Grounding & foundations of any thought ! Terra Firma ia an electrical terminology .. Because we simple humans are neither ‘Neutral nor Infallible’ , if you get my drift? Bare in mind I & my wife have tried for a lot more than just… Read more »

vierotchka
vierotchka
May 16, 2018 10:59 PM
Reply to  balkydj

Thank you for your reference of Roma culture – I have a good dollop of Rrom blood myself – in Russia, it was acceptable for nobles to marry beautiful Tzigane women. I am considered by the Tziganes to be a phuri dai. 🙂

balkydj
balkydj
May 18, 2018 6:55 AM
Reply to  vierotchka

Lol, many thanks for that revealing comment. I best be extra respectful in future, Phuri Dai : I think an amazing lot of people might be really quite surprised just how much Roma DNA , exists in their families’ heritage, (especially today as travel has become so much easier in some senses) : I mean this sincerely, you could be a big help to me in future elsewhere, & in these pages of history recorded here @OFFG > coz’ we both know that kids all over don’† care for discrimination, racism or bigotry & instinctively, never did .. but most love music, song & dance, which is one common universal method of bonding & expressing Soul .. (not just “Sexual Healing” as Marvin sang, though I do love Marvin, he’s done better than that 😉 ).. (Thus I loathe Slavi Trifonov for his corruption & commercialisation of d’Chalga music, original… Read more »

vierotchka
vierotchka
May 18, 2018 8:38 PM
Reply to  balkydj

Just for you, my friend Leonsia Erdenko, Russian Tzigane singer. Russian Tzigane music is, to me, the most beautiful of Gypsy music:

balkydj
balkydj
May 19, 2018 3:21 PM
Reply to  vierotchka

Beautiful & so soulful , I reckon even the horses got the message:) (coz’ it really looked like they were listening too, lol,) even if they were not in the room ..
There again, I figure any horse, male or female, would have listened to her vocal harmony, most patiently with pleasure & a sense of calm reflection would prevail .. and the horse could have been easily led in & out, with their ‘antennas’ in tune with her resonation of spirit: no fears & totally seduced by what she had to say/sing ..
Gonna’ listen more of the Russian Tzigane music in future, as soon as anybody even mentions Slavi T’..(cough splutter, enough).
I’m weaponised, thanks for dat’ 😉

Mulga Mumblebrain
Mulga Mumblebrain
May 16, 2018 11:39 PM

Yes, but not like your beloved Ukronazi one party state, a party of bloodthirsty psychopaths.

wardropper
wardropper
May 17, 2018 3:37 AM
Reply to  Toby

Sure.
But I think Plato was concerned that the kind of anarchy into which direct democracy tended to morph was NOT the good kind.
After all, today’s Greece is hardly the inspiring thing which Plato’s Greece was… It is certainly more modern, but it is no longer a pinnacle of human cultural achievement. No offence intended towards the many cultured Greeks who ARE doing inspiring things.

Toby
Toby
May 17, 2018 7:49 AM
Reply to  wardropper

That’s based on a misunderstanding of anarchy. We have instilled in us a state-based interpretation of the idea that screams violence and chaos. It takes research and study to undo that perspective. Plato was about tough rule because humans can’t really be trusted in his worldview. Like Hobbes after him and elsewhere throughout civilisation, the paternalistic/patriarchal view strongly colours what is thought to be ‘human nature’. Roughly, there are talented, exceptional humans that should make all the grown up decisions, then the mobbish rest. It’s an offensive patrician snobbery that emerges and embeds from state-based processes over time. Today, it feels ‘natural’ to see human reality in that light. In my view, that’s evidence of a kind of slow-burn Stockholm Syndrome. When we talk about contemporary Greece, we’re talking about a failed state, not an operational and healthy anarchic (directly democratic society. There’s a big difference. Greece was also shat… Read more »

balkydj
balkydj
May 18, 2018 10:06 AM
Reply to  Toby

Yep, Goldmans sacked & bagged the Greeks with a carrot and Tsipras has proven himself more concerned with his own glory & ego, rather than that of the Greek People’s or State’s best interests ..
Which has it’s price for him privately, perhaps, interestingly .. ? ! His wife seems none too proud or happy, I must observe + comment that perhaps she is more of a Natalie Portman in character ? 🙂
(just a thought 😉 )
Tsipras still clueless to his original potential as man .. ? ? losing the plot ?

wardropper
wardropper
May 18, 2018 3:35 PM
Reply to  Toby

I’m just making the point that there can be different types of anarchy. The world does not appear to have decided upon a definition which satisfies everyone. Anarchies can fail too.

Toby
Toby
May 20, 2018 8:13 AM
Reply to  wardropper

There can indeed by different types of anarchy, but ‘broken-down system’ is not one of them. The impulse to call anything wildly chaotic or malfunctioning ‘anarchy’ is an abuse of the word.

balkydj
balkydj
May 24, 2018 7:11 AM
Reply to  Toby

Precisely Toby & “an abuse of the word” with a psychological re-design in mind, to install fear..
amongst other things !
Revolt ! ? 😉

Frankly Speaking
Frankly Speaking
May 17, 2018 6:09 AM
Reply to  Toby

Spending a lot of time in Switzerland i see the great benefits to that country of direct democracy, however, as you say, the population have to be well informed, and they are. There was a recent attempt by neoliberal interests to remove funding of the state broadcaster and it failed. The Swiss state broadcaster unlike the UK and probably any other country is forced to be objective and impartial and it’s a reflection of the unique Swiss multilingual and diverse parliament and regions. They will surely IMO try again in a year or two since to control the population they need to remove impartiality and replace it with their corporate owned TV and radio channels which are as we know propaganda organs for the warmongering neoliberals. Where i am leading to with is my conclusion agreeing with you that despite the great benefits of direct democracy it simply would not… Read more »

Mulga Mumblebrain
Mulga Mumblebrain
May 17, 2018 7:52 AM

Yes, but Switzerland has benefitted from centuries of economic parasitism on other countries. It’s not a model that everyone can emulate, although Ireland is having a go at it.

Toby
Toby
May 17, 2018 8:26 AM

That’s a vey witty observation. Made me laugh out loud.

balkydj
balkydj
May 18, 2018 10:11 AM
Reply to  Toby

@Toby + MM’s
I roared .. with solidarity 🙂

vierotchka
vierotchka
May 18, 2018 9:15 PM

Centuries? Excreta bovines.

vierotchka
vierotchka
May 18, 2018 9:14 PM

We are well informed because each time there is an election or a vote, we receive a lot of information through leaflets along with our voting papers. The leaflets explain the issues, and also the opinions and explanations of all the political parties.

balkydj
balkydj
May 19, 2018 4:28 PM

Have you watched Roger Schawinski with Dr. Daniele Ganser, & the SRF disgracefully ignorant moderators .. just a sample of things seen:- “Wer um himmels willen nimmt schawinski noch ernst??” As for the other young man, frankly he just deserves a slap .. And Ganser gives him a deserved verbal slap in that link above ! But Switzerland & its’ media model has far deeper, deep state rooted, problems than just that one example .. I wonder if you recall all that happened to Ruth Metzler wishing to end the “Bank Geheimnis” with legislation ? She sold out, after a warning .. Ganser is courageous ! SWISS State TV backs the 9/11 official story, when AE911 & millions of others (more like Billions of people,) remain even more sufficiently sure scientifically, that the collapse of all three towers was not physically possible without explosives (likely laid by some Israeli “Art… Read more »

vierotchka
vierotchka
May 20, 2018 4:28 AM
Reply to  balkydj

Sorry, I neither speak nor understand Schweizerdeutsch. On the other hand, the French Swiss Media are neither biased nor slanted, in my most well-educated opinion.

balkydj
balkydj
May 23, 2018 11:38 AM
Reply to  vierotchka

In my humble ‘head hunted’ professional Media Research & Analysis inc. Financial experience since the early 80’s, opinion, (working night shifts on the morning brief for d’CEO of B.P. when they B.P. bought ARCO oil & HAARP Technology simultaneously ! ), I would say seldom have i seen such a provincial news agenda, as in Switzerlalaland ! Extra ‘Bünzli’ (like their history education), to keep folk so clueless & adrift from any perceptions of world reality: with the U.N. in Geneva to consider, & to boot the Zionist party line disseminated in New York.. ! ? 🙂 Foreign news is largely supplied by the surrounding corrupted nations, stimulated by Reuters & AFP .. But then I am trained in studying what is not being said where, when & by whom & why not .. & who owns & controls the vehicles of communications that are orchestrating the calls to herd… Read more »

vierotchka
vierotchka
May 23, 2018 12:41 PM
Reply to  balkydj

You’ve obviously never read La Tribune de Genève and neither have you ever watched RTS Un nor RTS Deux!

balkydj
balkydj
May 24, 2018 5:50 AM
Reply to  vierotchka

Of course I have studied both: especially the two RTS TV channels, & their programming intensively: much less the Tribune, in all honesty, Phuri Vieri 😉 I’ll throw an eye regularly, during coming times, just for you .. But think on: It was my job to observe mainstream media responses to info. & news disseminated, for which my valued objectivity was needed (& due to my never having had a BBC Tv License, since 1979, it was easier for me to remain analytical) and therefore, I was head hunted to work for B.P. directly: specifically the interests of the CEO, instead of continuing to scan the media to a ‘Brief’ for them, elsewhere, I could be primed & given extra priorities sworn & contractually bound to in house secrecy, especially on things like HAARP, (for which they must have known that I understood the technology, coz’ of both my Grandfather… Read more »

vierotchka
vierotchka
May 24, 2018 2:28 PM
Reply to  balkydj

That “Rohingya – Bonheur.ch” at the top left corner of the screen is a reminder that there is an ongoing “Chaine du Bonheur” fundraiser to help the Roningya refugees in their makeshift camps in Bangladesh, camps which are in great danger of flooding and mudslides from the looming monsoon.
https://www.bonheur.ch/collectes/rohingya/
https://www.tdg.ch/suisse/Journee-de-collecte-pour-les-refugies-rohingyas/story/10430838

vierotchka
vierotchka
May 24, 2018 2:40 PM
Reply to  balkydj

I am Swiss and 70 years old, and I completely and respectfully disagree with your biased (in my opinion) analysis of Switzerland. With regard to women in power, see https://www.tdg.ch/suisse/davantage-femmes-conseil-federal/story/19504481 With regard to the Chaîne du Bonheur, note that the people of Switzerland donated and raised record amounts of money in 2005: Ampleur sans précédent des récoltes de dons privés par la Chaîne du bonheur et les ONG suisses 11 Pour mémoire, les « records de dons » précédents de la Chaîne du bonheur avaient atteint 72 million (…) 12 La Chaîne du bonheur a soutenu les actions humanitaires et de reconstruction des principales ONG su (…) 14Les dons privés récoltés en Suisse et dans certains pays industrialisés suite à la catastrophe du tsunami ont été sans précédent. Fin juin 2005, les dons versés à la seule Chaîne du bonheur s’élevaient à 226 millions de francs, un montant record pour… Read more »

balkydj
balkydj
May 24, 2018 6:36 AM
Reply to  vierotchka

Oh, and just to be quite sure that you get the real point ..
It is NOT us consumers that “Fund Extremism & Terrorism” , as the Guardian intimates FFS, just think straw men with straw dogs, plying false flags & their Zionist programming and the roots of ISIS and their supply chain & ..
FUNDING !
I believe that it is a good thing that :-
“Hell hath no fury / (Phuri 🙂 ) , like a woman scorned .. ”
& rightly so 😉 So be it .. War on Zionism ! !

balkydj
balkydj
May 24, 2018 7:48 AM
Reply to  vierotchka

ZIONISM breeds ..
** A P A R T H E I D **
to destroy CULTURE ..
A Terrorist Act in U.N. Law >>
thanks to the intellectual capacities of UNESCO’s
Irina Bokova
A woman scorned .. ! ? ?

intergenerationaltrauma
intergenerationaltrauma
May 15, 2018 5:12 PM

Just an observation from reading this comment thread – and I say this because OffGuardian typically has “the” most sane and robust comments sections of any site I frequent. I would say your troll of the day “Google Talpiot Program” has done a stellar job of quite derailing and redirecting this conversation away from the topic area. That’s just my observation. Since it is impossible in the end to know whether someone is in fact a government troll, or simply woefully uninformed and/or simply seeking attention, it seems most useful for practical purposes to not bother to engage with the likes of GTP’s nonsense. In other words, if someone “posts like a government troll” they are in fact “doing the work of government trolls,” whether intentionally or not, in derailing the actual productive dialogue that could be taking place on the topic at hand. So my point is why let… Read more »

balkydj
balkydj
May 16, 2018 1:35 PM

Good comment: (though GTP’s comments are not all together nonsense, unfortunately!) I was gonna’ comment to him in the early hours of this morning , but grew tired of thinking on where to begin with his overly sensational and ill founded perceptions of many many aspects related to the history & design programming of computing: & the very fact that he appears to believe that the Zionist is the master founder of all things pertinent in antiquity & today .. (Not 😉 ) With huge gaps in his knowledge of what is possible scientifically today, e.g. by the Chinese .. Fear mongering, it felt like 2me2, having studied and learnt Military Psychology & Science , (as child), from my Grandfather, who worked with the Jews & unfortunately their most evil unrepentant & arrogant Zionist elements of E.i. within , during WW2 & until 1947 .. (see below, somewhere) I answered… Read more »

Freedom Fighter
Freedom Fighter
May 16, 2018 2:04 PM
Reply to  balkydj

Some good points here but not the easiest post to follow.
The Intercept is funded by billionaire Omidyar who is closely connected to the likes of Soros etc.
Some great articles on the Intercept but was with all sources important to take into account the biases.

balkydj
balkydj
May 16, 2018 2:36 PM

Precisely .. well noted on your part and when you dig deep into most things, not just news dissemination, but also court cases .. like the NGO ‘Global Witness’ for example , you will find names that seed an element of not just doubt, but also illuminate the characters controlling the cycles of an agenda: that appears subsequently at the ‘right’ moment in the Pre-Ordained News circle of events that are featured .. So to say , the ability to control the programming & timing of releases of information that flows, only when according to financial planning , more often than not .. Correction not just financial planning , but greater strategic goals that transcend money, because the truth is that he / she who holds or stalls the KNOWLEDGE or Legal proceedings, controls the ‘game plan’ , which is ultimately to do what ? ! I have my opinion,… Read more »

balkydj
balkydj
May 16, 2018 4:28 PM

Sorry, that was not meant to lead you on in any way: i expressed myself badly , (i see .. 😉 ) My Answer: to dictate to others: to limit your rights to freedom of thoughts, actions, conscience, conscious awareness & any creative expression of your will & Moral Values of what might be wrong & right, in your eyes; in order to enslave us , for elite self interests, strategies & goals, whilst harvesting all vestiges of our intelligence and indeed that of any & all scientific creation of any species & their DNA chain, to be logged into A.i for the benefit of an elite unworthy few, (that fail intelligence, or the will to share, same) but that happen to control the dissemination of knowledge, that dates way back before the Council of Nicaea .. (lol) It’s a bit of a ‘leap’ in such few words, (I know),… Read more »

Harry Law
Harry Law
May 15, 2018 3:33 PM

This is a very informative article about Syria and all the assassinations in that period. ‘Why the Arab’s don’t want us in Syria’ By Robert F Kennedy Jr https://www.politico.eu/article/why-the-arabs-dont-want-us-in-syria-mideast-conflict-oil-intervention/

Mulga Mumblebrain
Mulga Mumblebrain
May 15, 2018 9:05 PM
Reply to  Harry Law

What the Arabs want is irrelevant. Only the Zionists count.

Google Talpiot Program
Google Talpiot Program
May 15, 2018 2:32 PM

Since the 1970s, after the Yom Kippur defeat, Israel has had a concrete plan to dominate the high technology sector in ALL categories including internet infrastructure, computer processor production, cybersecurity, AI, etc. They did this through having a special training group in the IDF called Talpiot which is linked to Unit 8200 (Israel’s NSA) where they take mathematically gifted youngsters and train them for 10 years to become engineering experts who are also ready to go into entrepreneurship. The graduates of this program have spread their wings and become Sayanim agents in a number of countries but mainly in the US, Australia and the UK. They are heavily involved in internet infrastructure and cybersecurity and also involved directly with the NSA itself. Companies to look at with this program include: Qualcomm Intel (essentially all processors made in Israel) Verint RAD Group The concentration of these companies in Israeli hands means… Read more »

Jim Scott
Jim Scott
May 15, 2018 6:52 PM

Last I heard the Soviet Union no longer exists.

Mulga Mumblebrain
Mulga Mumblebrain
May 15, 2018 9:07 PM
Reply to  Jim Scott

But when it did, the Israelis shewed their ‘loyalty’ to the USA by doing so. They also sold secrets to China.

balkydj
balkydj
May 15, 2018 11:35 PM

Glad you mentioned the Chinese, bro. 😉 Too tired to send GTP some links tonight and fill some huge gaps in his history of A.i , & “ALL” that he neglects to mention and the fact that Western Tech. can be rendered useless with one EMP, after which China can still communicate with it’s ships in the Med. with Photons from Space, & all the Chinese Sputniks over me here right now (uKnow where 🙂 ) Not in denial of the Zionist Talpiot program & they can do some pretty FUNKy things, with old & newer equipment, but we both know where the biggest Supercomputers are situated 🙂 and Frequency Modulation & HAARP & Laser designs started long before Yom Kippers for breakfast .. Yawn , Leka Nosht .. Think USS Fitzgerald and the container ship, by Japan .. 🙂 The main thing right now, Erdogan & NATO’s not so… Read more »

Freedom Fighter
Freedom Fighter
May 17, 2018 12:54 PM
Reply to  balkydj

I’d be interested in seeing those links fyi

Frankly Speaking
Frankly Speaking
May 17, 2018 6:34 AM

Very interesting comment. You reminded me of the MH370 conspiracy theory relating to Freescale Semiconductor.
I guess it’s not entirely inconceivable that “our side “ did not want their latest military and alleged cloaking technology to get into the hands of the Chinese and their friends, hence eliminating 20 Freescale employees from those countries and sending them a dramatic signal of western-Israelii power play.
I’m not entirely convinced of this particular theory but in the context of your insightful comment it now seems a bit more believable.
https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/malaysia-airlines-plane-mh370-latest-conspiracy-theory-were-freescale-semiconductor-top-employees-1440097

balkydj
balkydj
May 17, 2018 7:18 AM

Israel always was and still is stealing everybody’s Tech. , I.P. &&& (and monitoring this very comment as I type), in the hope of exploiting every single gram of info & intel. to serve their Own Ends & beliefs! 🙂 Beliefs which are founded fundamentally on an unprecedented religious & societal arrogance, that transcends or at minimum at least rivals the Muslim religious indoctrination & arrogance, regarding the “the God Particle” (for want of a better term), that rests within all Humanity, regardless whether you be Roma, Hindu, Buddhist (usw.) .. which arrogantly evidences itself by the use of terminology like Goyim or Infidel etc. in the religious scriptures, which are all founded upon false interpretations or just plain lies, when you dig deeper and find that in the end, it was all just one man’s opinion who convinced a few other MEN, to support his conceptual notions and understanding… Read more »

Harry Stotle
Harry Stotle
May 15, 2018 2:18 PM

At least the Guardian’s coverage of the Skripal case wasn’t another misinformed clusterfuck …. hang on
https://voxpoliticalonline.com/2018/05/13/more-evidence-of-false-information-on-the-poisoning-of-sergei-and-yulia-skripal/
Moral of story – be very wary of trusting any story related to the Middle East, or Russia in a truth-immune, pro-establishment outlet like the Guardian, especially if you see names like Cohen, Tisdall, Monbiot, Freedland, Solon, or Nougayrède.

balkydj
balkydj
May 15, 2018 2:02 PM

“Ever more evidence of the Empiric (implying ‘Charlatan’) Colonialist Corporate Goals of poorly educated, unloved poor souls of Megalomaniac Misogynistic Men Marionettes of low self esteem and zero comprehension of Moral behaviour , within themselves : because they need to impress their self assumed ‘superiority’ upon ‘Woman’ & society surreptitiously, (in secret), making themselves feel cleverer, due to their ineptitude in bed and their inherent inability to consummate & digest the concept of ‘Love’ & respect thy partner & oneself, first & foremost & neighbour, dazu : dallying around in the lives of others , with no Moral or Legal RIGHT to do so from A > Z : & ill gotten ‘gold’ , facilitates them .. ” (My Gran was always saying , & in short .. (she laughing , then uttering the word 😉 ) “Cuckolds” ! “Prostituting themselves & hopefully others too, making themselves feel grander, &… Read more »

Tony M
Tony M
May 15, 2018 1:22 PM

Macmillan was up his neck in Suez as deeply as cocaine-addict Eden, and probably his bagman, and go-between vis-a-vis the French and Israelis, his replacing Eden ‘over Suez’ was the height of absurdity and rubbing our noses in it.
Always these exposes are of the long-dead and deservedly forgotten, the Guardian, second-rank house journal of the abominable elite after the Times but with long and especial connections to the Zionist strand never was the force for good at any time as its legend and ‘disillusioned’ runaways escaping the fold contend.
The similarities here however with the present regime-change operation in Syria are striking. Aerial-bombing of wedding parties, as we’ve seen in Yemen too has a long history with it being a particularly sadistic British tactic as far back as Iraq in the 1920s with grisly results.

Harry Stotle
Harry Stotle
May 15, 2018 1:06 PM

Given the long history of subterfuge in Syria one might have thought the Guardian might have finally learned its lesson?
I mean come on guys, its not that hard – but no, from the ‘White Helmets’ to the chemical attacks they keep pushing the same pro-west narrative with scant regard for the long list of human rights abuses they have become complicit with.
Kissinger was pissing on their backs as well (or ‘constructive ambiguity’ as Henry preferred to call it) but we can’t expect it to stop if state sanctioned violence is always given such an easy ride by the MSM.

Google Talpiot Program
Google Talpiot Program
May 15, 2018 12:48 PM

Russian thuggish police arrest peaceful protestors who are upset about the many attacks on freedom of speech in Russia:
https://twitter.com/AlexKokcharov/status/995741495037714435
Both the US and Russia have a huge problem with militarised thuggish policing. At least the US has more freedom of speech than Putin’s Russia (at least for now).

Admin
Admin
May 15, 2018 12:49 PM

Do you have any data to help contextualise? Numbers of arrests, numbers of convictions and imprisonments? Numbers of unarmed person killed by police? A side by side comparison of different countries would be very informative

Google Talpiot Program
Google Talpiot Program
May 15, 2018 1:48 PM
Reply to  Admin

Reuters saying hundreds there and 20 detained: https://af.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idAFKCN1IE0NA
Supposedly the Police said about 1,000 there but not the best source saying that:
https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-protesters-detained-at-moscow-rally-for-free-internet/29224230.html
Supposedly most detained were communists, anarchists, lefty types, etc.

Admin
Admin
May 15, 2018 1:49 PM

No – DATA, not newspaper allegations. What we need in order to evaluate is side by side comparative data of how many people are arrested/detained/shot/beaten by the police in different countries. Do you have such data?

Google Talpiot Program
Google Talpiot Program
May 15, 2018 2:34 PM
Reply to  Admin

No, I don’t. Lots of countries wouldn’t provide that information.
I don’t know if Russia would but I know that countries like North Korea etc. certainly wouldn’t.

reinertorheit
reinertorheit
May 15, 2018 2:19 PM

Where does it say ‘hundreds’? You are lying
It says twenty people were detained. And that’s all.

Google Talpiot Program
Google Talpiot Program
May 15, 2018 2:33 PM
Reply to  reinertorheit

It’s in the first sentence of the article.

reinertorheit
reinertorheit
May 15, 2018 2:49 PM

The first sentence of the article reads:
Hundreds of people rallied in Moscow on Sunday to demand the unblocking of the Telegram app, the second protest in the Russian capital since the authorities blocked the popular messaging service last month.
So hundreds of people attended the rally. If only 20 were detained, ergo the vast majority were left alone by the police. Considering that the event was an unsanctioned (ie not permitted) gathering, that’s quite remarkable, Most European countries would arrest the lot of them.

Google Talpiot Program
Google Talpiot Program
May 15, 2018 3:22 PM
Reply to  reinertorheit

That’s exactly what I said?
Hundreds attended with 20 detained.
That’s literally what I said in my post.
Also as far as I can find out the protest was fully authorised. Haven’t seen anything to the contary.

reinertorheit
reinertorheit
May 15, 2018 3:24 PM

What would you know about whether it was authorised or not? Can you read Russian? Have you checked on the websites of the Moscow City Government and the National Government?

Google Talpiot Program
Google Talpiot Program
May 15, 2018 3:32 PM
Reply to  reinertorheit

No have you?
I can’t read Russian.

reinertorheit
reinertorheit
May 15, 2018 4:27 PM

I live in Moscow and I speak and write Russian professionally

Mulga Mumblebrain
Mulga Mumblebrain
May 15, 2018 9:16 PM
Reply to  reinertorheit

Or they would be ‘kettled’ for hours and not even allowed toilet breaks. In Masadastan, of course, they would just be shot dead.

reinertorheit
reinertorheit
May 15, 2018 10:16 PM

In terms of casual police brutality, this clip appeared on The Indy today
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/china-security-guards-attack-gay-women-lgbt-event-beijing-video-a8352766.html
China is also a country which has a mandatory death penalty for male homosexuality. Russia doesn’t criminalise homosexuality. But you’d never guess such a difference existed if you read The Guardian.

vierotchka
vierotchka
May 16, 2018 12:11 AM
Reply to  reinertorheit

China should encourage homosexuals, not execute them, in view of their efforts to diminish their population explosion since their one-child policy hasn’t worked.

Mulga Mumblebrain
Mulga Mumblebrain
May 16, 2018 8:25 AM
Reply to  vierotchka

China does NOT ‘ execute homosexuals’. That, wherever it came from, is typical Imperial black propaganda. Go to any large Chinese city and you can soon find the gay underground, just as it was a few decades ago in the glorious West. Chinese culture, can you believe it, is different from the West’s, and gays are generally just allowed to get on with life, not hounded, or exalted. I hope China ends all discrimination that occurs, legally, in short order, but black Western propaganda and agitation is designed to hinder that process, just as it did in Cuba, but lost in the end.

Mulga Mumblebrain
Mulga Mumblebrain
May 16, 2018 8:21 AM
Reply to  reinertorheit

China DOES NOT ‘ …have a mandatory death sentence for male homosexuality’. Where did you get that (expletive deleted)?

reinertorheit
reinertorheit
May 16, 2018 8:33 AM

China is the world’s leader in executions. They have the death sentence for most other things.

George Cornell
George Cornell
May 16, 2018 7:07 PM
Reply to  reinertorheit

Some links please

George Cornell
George Cornell
May 16, 2018 7:19 PM
Reply to  George Cornell

Ok George
Here is one from the American owned and operated Business Insider
http://www.businessinsider.com/the-10-countries-that-execute-the-most-people-2016-4
Note how the American weasels behind this make no attempt to count executions per capita, so Chad and China are ranked on equal footing, not to mention there is no actual data on China, just partisan speculation.
Just filling in for Rentapost.

reinertorheit
reinertorheit
May 16, 2018 9:26 PM
Reply to  George Cornell
George Cornell
George Cornell
May 16, 2018 10:41 PM
Reply to  reinertorheit

You made the claim, so you provide the support for the statement. And you predictably could not. And your own reference shows the executions have halved every five years , from 12k, to 6k to 2400 in 2012 so 1200 now if that trend continued. So you are wrong about the per capita executions, even five years ago, and you are wrong about the current probable figures. But I am sure you are accustomed to that. Not to mention how all this is beside the point of the article, but China-bashing opportunities are hard to find, is that it?

reinertorheit
reinertorheit
May 17, 2018 5:45 AM
Reply to  George Cornell

Try Google. Or STFU

vierotchka
vierotchka
May 16, 2018 10:50 PM
Reply to  reinertorheit

China is also the world leader in population – if one calculates the percentage of executions with regard to the number of people in the country, it probably is lower than the percentage of executions in the USA. I don’t know, it is just a thought.

Mulga Mumblebrain
Mulga Mumblebrain
May 16, 2018 11:45 PM
Reply to  reinertorheit

Very poor reply, reiner. I’m disappointed. China executes too many people, but the numbers are lessening, and they DO NOT execute homosexuals mandatorily.

reinertorheit
reinertorheit
May 17, 2018 5:46 AM

Moral relativism isn’t my forte. They are the world’s leading executors. End of.

reinertorheit
reinertorheit
May 17, 2018 5:46 AM

And don’t give me marks on my replies, because yours are none to shout about.

balkydj
balkydj
May 17, 2018 7:38 AM
Reply to  reinertorheit

Reiner, please post the link for the mandatory death sentence for homosexuals in China.. One that is NOT connected in any way to Google or Wikipedia or in fact any other Western backed computer programming..
Surely you know why I ask .

reinertorheit
reinertorheit
May 17, 2018 10:54 AM
Reply to  balkydj

I read about that months ago, and I’m afraid I no longer have a link to it.

vierotchka
vierotchka
May 18, 2018 9:20 PM
Reply to  reinertorheit

Surely you can google for it.

reinertorheit
reinertorheit
May 18, 2018 9:44 PM
Reply to  vierotchka

Anyone who wanted to know about it could google it.

vierotchka
vierotchka
May 18, 2018 10:01 PM
Reply to  reinertorheit

Ah, but the onus is on the one making the assertion.

George Cornell
George Cornell
May 19, 2018 2:29 AM
Reply to  reinertorheit

I hesitate to say anything , given your last skirmish ended with the referees interceding to prevent any more damage to you. I suppose it was a TKO. But once again you express the simpletonian idea that the truth is to be found by “googling it”. Surely there is a key role for weighing evidence, rating it and then for critical analysis, don’t you think? Google gives as much falsehood as it does truth.

reinertorheit
reinertorheit
May 19, 2018 9:20 AM
Reply to  George Cornell

% ignored, unread %

George Cornell
George Cornell
May 19, 2018 4:31 PM
Reply to  reinertorheit

You do not seem to know what ‘ignore’ means. Let me help. Do not reply! If Darwin was right you should get there in 100,000 years.
NOTE FROM ADMIN: any further squabbling of this kind will be deleted

George Cornell
George Cornell
May 17, 2018 11:20 AM
Reply to  reinertorheit

So moral relativism is not your forte, you say. What is? It surely is not facts. Nor is it debating. “STFU”? Really?

reinertorheit
reinertorheit
May 17, 2018 11:28 AM
Reply to  George Cornell

Poor little butthurt boy – was asked to use Google, but couldn’t?

George Cornell
George Cornell
May 17, 2018 12:54 PM
Reply to  reinertorheit

So you said China leads the world in executions but per capita it is well behind several other counties, even Chad, and even taking proposed, possibly imaginary, American media’s figures for China.
You said they use executions for “most other things” which is not true.
You said they mandate executions for homosexuality , also patently false.
You then start in with abusive language and make the preposterous claim that I don’t use Google, even though I provided you with a Bus. Insider link from it. You in turn have provided no facts, no refs, just blowing your own warped opinions out your backside.
You will not find a solution for your flagrant personality disorder on this site. Best of luck to you. And do not reply.

reinertorheit
reinertorheit
May 17, 2018 1:54 PM
Reply to  George Cornell

I’m sure it’s of great comfort to the victims of your Maoist Maniacs to know that they’ve been murdered as a statistic of lesser proportional size than the victims of the headchoppers of the ISIS loons.
It’s YOU that’s the abuser. The mental midget.

George Cornell
George Cornell
May 18, 2018 1:41 PM
Reply to  reinertorheit

I am seriously worried about your self-esteem. Signing off as the “mental midget”, while a huge understatement, really suggests you are grossly exaggerating your capacities. Midgets are mostly approx. half the size of non-midgets, and your capacity would be down on a logarithmic scale.
Torheit seems to fit you precisely. Have a nice day.

George Cornell
George Cornell
May 18, 2018 3:12 PM
Reply to  George Cornell

To paraphrase Gore Vidal to Mailer, words fail Torheit once again. Return to your day job as a mole in a carnival Whack-a-mole game. You are out of your league, not to mention species. Now I do not mean that in an unkind way.

balkydj
balkydj
May 16, 2018 5:30 PM

Do you know who owns Reuters and Radio Free Europe Radio Liberty ?
You really should ..

Freedom Fighter
Freedom Fighter
May 17, 2018 11:07 AM
Reply to  balkydj

Yes, I know. Reuters is a good source overall but obviously has its biases. Puts out a lot of good analysis and economic news you wouldn’t get elsewhere.
I said Radio Liberty was an iffy source in the post. Think that should be done when referring to other iffy sources too.

balkydj
balkydj
May 18, 2018 8:35 AM

Reuters is one of the very top level orchestrators of the cycle of news dissemination & strategic planning of same, inc. banking & bankers in the West ! One story comes in, another one drops out, every time confirmed by an almost identical report (same words swopped around), only from AP / AFP followed immediately in the English, German and French names of the Spiders net of Networks (TV Radio & Online), that feed the states’ new systems, too, with a private corporate agenda > pasta 😉 Backed up by the Dutch, Belgium Luxembourg and the Austrians, with Berlusconi’s racket cheap change, Bonga Bonga / Slavi Trifonov stylistics for a distraction to hell & back , before ever connecting or seeing societal danger in an Ivan not so savvy Savvidis, invading Thessaloniki’s pitch, as owner, (it’s his pitch legally speaking), with jacket discarded in disgust at the standards of referees… Read more »

balkydj
balkydj
May 18, 2018 8:54 AM

One funny recent example is the BG. CEZ energy utility scandal, during their EU Presidency >> nowhere reported , except tiny releases by AFP & Reuters almost a one liner , but I found it reported in Manilla, in the Philippines , most punctually , on the day ..
madness !! 🙂 laughable censorship .. of outrageous manipulations that challenge established corporate policy & politics legitimately & especially principally & morally re.societal development .. of regimented & assumed control methods , corrupted by degenerate behaviours, including Jean Claude Juncker & Co. !
All covered up .. when Interpol should have been in on, & leading that 2 state debacle from the first moment of any enquiry .. Logic 😉

Harry Stotle
Harry Stotle
May 15, 2018 1:12 PM

The difference in the context of this article is that the Guardian are all over Putin like a rash while turning a blind eye, or even calling for more US driven violence in the Middle East.
Its as if the likes of Simon Tisdall have no grasp of history, even though damning reports have appeared in the very paper he writes for.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/apr/09/douma-syria-regime-bashar-al-assad-murder-civilians

Google Talpiot Program
Google Talpiot Program
May 15, 2018 1:25 PM
Reply to  Harry Stotle

What does my post have to do with the Guardian?
Or even the Middle East?
Just whataboutery there.

Harry Stotle
Harry Stotle
May 15, 2018 1:41 PM

The OP is about western interference in Syria’s internal affairs (proven by official documents) and more recently a failure by the Guardian to come clean about its propaganda role in maintaining the current war narrative.
What has heavy handed policing in Russia got to do with any of that?

Google Talpiot Program
Google Talpiot Program
May 15, 2018 1:50 PM
Reply to  Harry Stotle

I post a lot about Russia as there is a huge problem in the “alternative” media with unthinking Russia or Putin bias that means that dissidents all falling into a dialectic trap.
I’m about breaking out of the dialetical prison.

reinertorheit
reinertorheit
May 15, 2018 2:04 PM

You do, indeed, post a lot about Russia. It’s a pity you don’t know a lot about Russia. But I’m sure your sponsors pay you well to spatter your spam hither and yon.

Google Talpiot Program
Google Talpiot Program
May 15, 2018 2:08 PM
Reply to  reinertorheit

I don’t have any sponsors. Just a British guy trying to get to the bottom of the truth.
A lot of people know more about Russia than me but I’ve got a workable knowledge that is often significantly more than the knowledge of Russia’s alt-media commentator defenders who tend to get their news exclusively from 1 or 2 sources only.

reinertorheit
reinertorheit
May 15, 2018 2:02 PM

What does your post have to do with the Guardian? What does your post have to do with Syria? What does your post have to do with Macmillan?
But here you nonetheless – trolling this messageboard with offtopic neocon spam.

Google Talpiot Program
Google Talpiot Program
May 15, 2018 2:11 PM
Reply to  reinertorheit

How am I posting “neocon propaganda”? I’m very clearly anti-neocon – which is partly why I’m criticising Russia which is getting diplomatically closer to Israel by the day and is fulled with powerful Zionist billionaires.

reinertorheit
reinertorheit
May 15, 2018 2:16 PM

D N F T T

Baron
Baron
May 15, 2018 4:41 PM

Tell us please, GTP, you live in Russia, you’ve at least visited the country, you speak the language?
Sorry to ask you the three questions, but to lend credence to your initial postings the answers are of some significance.
Russia is far from perfect, plenty of boils and warts, the police do often behave badly, but so do the ‘peaceful’ crowds. More to the point, the organisers of these protest often ask for permission, get it, but gather in a different place, or move to a place where they shouldn’t be in order for the police to hit them, this attracts the attention of the MSM lapdogs who report on it.

Mulga Mumblebrain
Mulga Mumblebrain
May 15, 2018 9:23 PM
Reply to  Baron

Russia is a country under RELENTLESS Western attack, including the usual ‘regime change’ tactics of paying for and promoting internal subversion by local traitors, compradores and wannabe future ‘oligarch’ parasites when Russia is vivisected as was the Soviet Union. Personally I would arrest the lot, and their Western NGO controllers, and send them to Siberia to ‘count trees’ for a few decades. US ‘diplomats’ would be restricted to their Embassy.

Mulga Mumblebrain
Mulga Mumblebrain
May 16, 2018 8:28 AM

‘By way of deception’, eh GTP.

Freedom Fighter
Freedom Fighter
May 17, 2018 11:09 AM

I’m clearly anti-zionist. That’s obvious.
“By way of deception” isn’t actually the (official) Mossad motto though.

Tony M
Tony M
May 15, 2018 2:26 PM

It’s a convention here and on very many such websites, an admirable one I think and worthwhile other than in exceptional circumstances, that the comments users make should bear some relation to the subject matter above the line, rather than going off on random tangents with short witless quips a child or bot even would make, to actually contribute something of your own composition that adds to the whole, rather than me-too luncheon-meat or whatever demented bees are at present are buzzing around in your or anyone’s bonnets. Otherwise it just becomes a bewildering unfocused confusing and off-putting mess, and I’m sure that’s not your intention surely?

reinertorheit
reinertorheit
May 15, 2018 3:30 PM
Reply to  Tony M

Regrettably ‘Google Talpiot Program’ is a trivial but persistent troll, who couldn’t find a suitable outlet for his pet peeves on this site – so instead abused this page by scatter-shooting it full of his deluded crap about Russia,
‘lefty types’, and other garbage.

Mulga Mumblebrain
Mulga Mumblebrain
May 15, 2018 9:18 PM
Reply to  Harry Stotle

Tisdall has a grasp on his ‘membrum virile’, and KNOWS what his Zionist owners expect from their propaganda droogs. His high-paying job depends entirely on ideological reliability.

George Cornell
George Cornell
May 18, 2018 1:58 PM
Reply to  Harry Stotle

Tisdall is one of those journalists , concentrated at the Fraudian, whose personal advancement is driven by holding the finger he has just been sucking up to the wind. The guidance he derives from that dwarfs any historical or journalistic imperatives.

balkydj
balkydj
May 24, 2018 8:41 AM
Reply to  George Cornell

After much ‘noise’, here & thur’, (Chuckle), your turn of phrase just kills me laughing and as humour, (a daily saviour), serves admirably..
in this god forsaken world online & down here within the border zone to Turkey with NATO flying ‘ loudly & proudly ‘ high & low, cloud seeding too, this Nature Conservation Zone (a corridor for wildlife , & accidental legacy of cold war lines of demarcation), disrespecting the ‘No Fly Zone’ regs. that blessed this house with tranquility , until BG. joined the E.U. ..
Keep that wit coming , i say 😉

bevin
bevin
May 15, 2018 1:20 PM

The policing is not quite so bad as Gaza though, is it?

Google Talpiot Program
Google Talpiot Program
May 15, 2018 1:26 PM
Reply to  bevin

Is that really your moral benchmark though?
Do you not believe that we can do even marginally better than that?

vexarb
vexarb
May 15, 2018 1:44 PM

I believe you can. Do try. Like this:
“‘Talpiot Market is housed in the historic Carmel building, Haifa’s main shuk in a city famed for its coexistence.”

Google Talpiot Program
Google Talpiot Program
May 15, 2018 1:51 PM
Reply to  vexarb

Look up the Talpiot program seriously. You’ll see what is happening with Israel’s tech sector and why its so worrying.

Tony M
Tony M
May 15, 2018 2:11 PM

Why don’t you take a break from posting links to western mainstream-media pish and traducing those genuinely opposed to and actually doing something to resist the west’s unending push impose neo-liberal monoculture on the world by way of threat and violence, and explain it yourself in your own words asit’s important enough for you to have it as as your username. Does this mean you’re a one trick pony and once you’ve explained and enlightened us you’ll be put out to grass or sent to the knackers yard?
We’re all ears.

Google Talpiot Program
Google Talpiot Program
May 15, 2018 2:31 PM
Reply to  Tony M

OK – very willing to explain it but will shatter some illusions. Since the 1970s, after the Yom Kippur defeat, Israel has had a concrete plan to dominate the high technology sector in ALL categories including internet infrastructure, computer processor production, cybersecurity, AI, etc. They did this through having a special training group in the IDF called Talpiot which is linked to Unit 8200 (Israel’s NSA) where they take mathematically gifted youngsters and train them for 10 years to become engineering experts who are also ready to go into entrepreneurship. The graduates of this program have spread their wings and become Sayanim agents in a number of countries but mainly in the US, Australia and the UK. They are heavily involved in internet infrastructure and cybersecurity and also involved directly with the NSA itself. Companies to look at with this program include: Qualcomm Intel (essentially all processors made in Israel)… Read more »

Tony M
Tony M
May 15, 2018 4:07 PM

OK thanks, some of this is familiar. My curmudgeonly views probably aren’t all that far outside the mainstream and general public view. In terms of AI, the UK is by far the centre of this technology judging mainly by the sheer volume of arcane scientific papers on the subject published, but will fail to capitalise on it in actual marketable products and institutional incompetence and based on my experience the public do not want and will not have it, whether its microphones and cameras in their home, or thinking machines, which don’t do what the user wants but what the machine thinks they want. I’d rather have manual control, with knobs, switches dials and gauges. The public will push back preferring simple appliances with the minimum of features, that aren’t all that smart as they’ve no need to be, it only adds to the price, the complexity, multiplies the possible… Read more »

Mulga Mumblebrain
Mulga Mumblebrain
May 16, 2018 8:30 AM

‘Repetition is the soul of the (fuck)wit’.

vexarb
vexarb
May 15, 2018 2:58 PM

Sorry, I used to live in Haifa, shop at Talpiot market and work in R&D — but cannot take your “worrying” seriously. Co-existence is my concern in the ME, not the spreading of “worry”, mistrust, alarm and despondency.

Google Talpiot Program
Google Talpiot Program
May 15, 2018 3:28 PM
Reply to  vexarb

Talpiot is how Israel has so much power and sway over Western countries – it’s all in the surveillance and backdoors.
It’s got to be talked about otherwise there will never be peace.

Tony M
Tony M
May 15, 2018 5:25 PM

I think it’s FUD: sowing fear uncertainty and doubt. All we have to do all of us is look suspicious and do suspicious things as often as we can, to overload the still and always essential human component. And what has been built and put in place can be taken down again and thrown in the trash where it exceeds that which is strictly necessary for public-safety and detection of serious crime, not for pre-emptive prevention taken to the point of living in glass-houses or cages Not for criminalising someone with a dicky tail-light or who smoked a joint with friends at a party the night before. Protection from violence and prevention of property theft should still be the core of the law, not though-crimes. Some laws at some times are absurd inflexible and arbitrary and not based on fact but on theoretical but improbable risk of harm. Honesty is… Read more »

balkydj
balkydj
May 24, 2018 9:30 AM
Reply to  Tony M

Classic core observations ..

Yarkob
Yarkob
May 15, 2018 1:41 PM

Really? You didn’t see our own thuggish police using batons and horses to “pacify” the Turkish Kurds legally protesting against their own (western-backed and supported) dictator yesterday?
Methinks you have selective outrage. Shouldn’t you be on Twitter?

Google Talpiot Program
Google Talpiot Program
May 15, 2018 1:43 PM
Reply to  Yarkob

No, I haven’t seen that. Got a link?

Yarkob
Yarkob
May 15, 2018 1:47 PM

Google is your friend. It happened yesterday. You’ll probably only find film of it on RT which probably means it was a totally staged event, right? Our supine press only seems to cover stories detrimental to their cause du jour, which these days seems to have morphed from the scary and bad “ISIS” to the (apparently) scarier and badder Russians

Google Talpiot Program
Google Talpiot Program
May 15, 2018 1:52 PM
Reply to  Yarkob

This is absolutely true about US or UK press only covering what it wants.
However you don’t suspect the exact same is true of RT?
It’s about balancing sources and taking into account the bias.

vexarb
vexarb
May 15, 2018 3:14 PM

Ah, “don’t you suspect RT” as well. So Talpiot Program is about spreading “suspicion” as well as “worry” and “mistrust” as already noted above. Doesn’t sound like the genuine Talpiot of Haifa, well known for secular tolerance and harmonious coexistence.

Yarkob
Yarkob
May 15, 2018 3:23 PM

as it happens, no I don’t “suspect” RT of as much omission and distortion than the BBC. Having watched the former since it was first aired on UK cable channels, and the latter, since about 1971 (actually understanding what I was watching rather than from a cot) I can actually say that, in my opinion, RT has actually got a lot more objective in the last 5 years. Like really. It is now one of my go to sources (among many) The Graun and BBC having totally lost the plot. I am a license payer refusnik (I actually wrote to them telling them why – needless to say I’ve neither received a reply nor a pay up or else warning)
Do you ever watch RT? I mean longer than enough to huff and puff at its “obvious bias” and “propaganda” (HMG’s words, not mine)

Tony M
Tony M
May 15, 2018 8:16 PM
Reply to  Yarkob

People can’t get used to news coverage dealing with a story or issue for more than a cursory minute or so before moving onto something else, not to mention, ‘and finally’ type cutesy nonsense, then there’s the obsession with sport, particularly football, which without having it rammed down our throats incessantly very few would care a damn about or have the least interest in. This isn’t news or even sport, but entertainment and belongs on channels or slots (preferably in the dead of night, and in B&W) of its own where such as like it can find it. They have limited attention span and RT tends to deal with subjects and stories in more detail than they’re used to and have come to expect, except when its overblown propaganda or the daily hatefest when the BBC goes completely over the top, signalling something is not quite right about the story,… Read more »

Mulga Mumblebrain
Mulga Mumblebrain
May 15, 2018 9:29 PM
Reply to  Yarkob

I watch RT, and its programs are refreshingly honest and intellectually consistent, in comparison to the Groupthink Imperial propaganda shite that flows from every orifice of the Western fakestream sewer. Best news source of all, in my opinion, is the WSWS, once you ignore the Trot propaganda. They reveal so much stuff that the propaganda machine hides that it is not funny.

vierotchka
vierotchka
May 15, 2018 10:22 PM

I also watch Vesti News on YouTube – excellent videos of a high level of intelligence.

JudyJ
JudyJ
May 15, 2018 11:38 PM

And RT’s interviewers politely and professionally allow their guests to speak – even those who have a different viewpoint – and listen to their responses so that they can follow up with a sensible, appropriately structured question rather than the tirade of non-sequiturs employed by MSM journalists.

vierotchka
vierotchka
May 16, 2018 12:13 AM
Reply to  JudyJ

Exactly!

George Cornell
George Cornell
May 15, 2018 1:42 PM

To have freedom of speech, the overwhelming sources of information have to be free. I don’t see that in the MSM of the US. Furthermore it is clear talking to Americans that they only rarely see beyond their own televisions.
You have evidence that speech is more free in the US?

Google Talpiot Program
Google Talpiot Program
May 15, 2018 1:57 PM
Reply to  George Cornell

“To have freedom of speech, the overwhelming sources of information have to be free. I don’t see that in the MSM of the US. Furthermore it is clear talking to Americans that they only rarely see beyond their own televisions.” – I agree that is useful to have for sure and makes the media freerer, more independent and vital. The US media certainly has a huge problem of centralisation of ownership but at least on the whole you can own a website without it being shut down (The Daily Stormer one example where that is not the case) – this is not true of Russia. Russia also has a huge problem with centralisation of media as well as even loads of suspicious deaths of actual journalists. RT pushes an extremely pro-Kremlin line. Russia also has various laws against holocaust denial, “hate speech”, even criticising the conduct of the Red Army… Read more »

reinertorheit
reinertorheit
May 15, 2018 2:15 PM

D N F T T

Google Talpiot Program
Google Talpiot Program
May 15, 2018 2:31 PM
Reply to  reinertorheit

What does this mean?

Admin
Admin
May 15, 2018 3:14 PM
Reply to  reinertorheit

Ok reiner – point taken. Repeat-posting risks you being identified as spam by our software

JudyJ
JudyJ
May 15, 2018 3:28 PM

“Russia also has various laws against…”. And other countries like the UK don’t? The difference is that Russian laws are transparent, the UK dresses them up as something else. In 2015 Theresa May took the decision when she was Home Secretary to ban American holocaust denier Mark Weber from entering the UK for “unacceptable behaviour”. There are generic public order laws in the UK which make it an offence to indulge in ‘unacceptable behaviour’, ‘incite disorder’, ‘incite hatred and violence’. These laws could cover any activity depending on who is passing judgement and what their perspective is.

reinertorheit
reinertorheit
May 15, 2018 3:37 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

The British bogus ‘historian’, David Irving, was arrested in German in connection with his book publications, which serially deny the planned extermination of Jews by the Third Reich. He was not merely detained, but sentenced to several months in a German prison.
Australian holocaust denier Dr Frederick Toben was arrested on arrival in Britain at Heathrow Airport, for the same category of offences.
Canada, Germany, New Zealand, and Poland have all imprisoned holocaust deniers, in various circumstances, and on differing legislative bases.

Alpha Particle
Alpha Particle
May 15, 2018 3:48 PM
Reply to  reinertorheit

Point of correction. Irving has never denied the mass murder of Jews in the way the truly deluded Holocaust-deniers do. He has disputed Auschwitz being a death camp, but has specifically named other death camps such as Ravensbruck as having gassed millions of people, majority being Jewish.
I’m not defending Irving by the way, just keeping things accurate

reinertorheit
reinertorheit
May 15, 2018 4:28 PM
Reply to  Alpha Particle

Fair point, thank you for this information

vexarb
vexarb
May 15, 2018 5:24 PM
Reply to  Alpha Particle

@Alpha. Thank you, having used and quoted Irving’s “Virus House” as a source of info on the Nazi atom bomb project, I was struck by his objectivity and grasp of detail. However, the man (as opposed to the author) also struck me later as a bit of a racist. Nevertheless it is a scandal that the true numbers of various ethnic Untermenschen can no longer be investigated on pain of fine and imprisonment for producing results not acceptable to the Police. Another sign of regression in Western Europe, part of the general erosion of cultural standards and hard won civil liberties.

Mulga Mumblebrain
Mulga Mumblebrain
May 15, 2018 9:33 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

Does Russia have D-notices that make people, like the Skripals, disappear?

Yarkob
Yarkob
May 15, 2018 3:30 PM

@ GTP you really do sound like Rachel Maddow.
Your nick is interesting, too. At odds with your virile and patriotic Russophobia, no? The Russians are/will be as much a victim of the TP as everyone else, surely? Or are they some sort of Talpiot Program-associated Israeli secret weapon?
Or do you just have an irrational fear of Russia? Or, a Millbank/Bde 77 troll, even?

reinertorheit
reinertorheit
May 15, 2018 6:24 PM
Reply to  Yarkob

To me GTP sounds more like Jacob Рiss-Moppe

vexarb
vexarb
May 15, 2018 2:00 PM

@Alex. “Russian Thuggish Police” from a CIA folder, file opened alphabetically after last week’s “Russian Rapist Soldiers”.

Google Talpiot Program
Google Talpiot Program
May 15, 2018 2:12 PM
Reply to  vexarb

Do you not think the behaviour above in the video is thuggish?

reinertorheit
reinertorheit
May 15, 2018 2:15 PM

D N F T T

balkydj
balkydj
May 16, 2018 7:34 PM

@GTP “Do you not think the behaviour above in the video is thuggish?” NOPE ! not “thuggish” in the slightest .. (Check my comment to JudyJ below: dat’ was Thuggish! ) Indeed , I studied the video and have to say that you have wasted everybody’s time , coz’ I found the Russian Police behaviour in every sense “HIGHLY PROFESSIONAL” & fully aware they were being filmed, they operated in a pre-meditated and exemplary fashion , that would never happen in a place like , let me think , errrr >> ** I S R A E L ** or ** Switzerlalaland **, even Where disciplines seems a little lapse, in fact wholly out of control & wholly disproportionate ! In fact I can even recall an occasion when a Swiss Police Boss & his ego was so out of control, bang out of order and endangering everybody’s lives ,… Read more »

vierotchka
vierotchka
May 16, 2018 11:05 PM
Reply to  balkydj

The Swiss police are never thuggish. I know, because I’ve lived in Switzerland since 1948 (although I have also lived in England and in Afghanistan and in Pakistan, but have always returned to Switzerland). I’ve attended large demonstrations on many occasion, and never has the police here been in any manner thuggish.

vierotchka
vierotchka
May 16, 2018 11:06 PM
Reply to  vierotchka

I forgot to mention that I also have lived in Sweden.

Alpha Particle
Alpha Particle
May 15, 2018 2:34 PM

That video looks staged. Tiny group of people apparently surrounded by “cops” nothing like normal police protocol anywhere. No sign of any official police van or car. We see they “protestors” dragged away, don’t ee them put in any official vehicle.
If it was real it’s actually mild compared to what happens in the USA on a regular basis. But I think it’s staged for some witless reason. Street theatre for the gormless western masses

Google Talpiot Program
Google Talpiot Program
May 15, 2018 2:37 PM
Reply to  Alpha Particle

There is a 2 hour video of it here if you wanna watch:

Weird that you’d think “staged” without any actual proof.

reinertorheit
reinertorheit
May 15, 2018 3:00 PM

‘RUPTLY’ is a news service wholly owned by RIA Novosti – the same media holding which owns and operates Russia Today.

vierotchka
vierotchka
May 15, 2018 8:32 PM
Reply to  reinertorheit

So what?

reinertorheit
reinertorheit
May 15, 2018 8:37 PM
Reply to  vierotchka

GTP was telling us that RT is a Putin-serving slime of ooze, which can’t be trusted for a second.
And then he quotes Ruptly.

vierotchka
vierotchka
May 15, 2018 8:45 PM
Reply to  reinertorheit

I have found these sources to be the most credible. 🙂

Alpha Particle
Alpha Particle
May 15, 2018 3:03 PM

you need to watch it. there’s NO vid of anyone being arrested or roughed up. Just two hours six mins of a small group of people peacefully listening to some quite pedestrian statements and stuff.
When did the arrests start? Why? Who filmed em?

vexarb
vexarb
May 15, 2018 5:38 PM
Reply to  Alpha Particle

@Alpha. Thank you once again, this time for gallantly undertaking the burden of a Troll’s Link; as expected, a Nothing. I watched such Troll Links on this site some months ago (by a Matt or a Matthew? insistent poster) again no meat in the sandwich. (Like the Troll Cakes in Peer Gynt).

Mulga Mumblebrain
Mulga Mumblebrain
May 15, 2018 9:39 PM

Because we’ve seen many of these staged videos from Russia and Ukraine etc, at least since the days of the ‘Orange Revolution’ in Ukraine in 2005. Some, like the ‘Pussy Riot harridans attacked by Cossacks’ were so amateurish it was quite funny. The actors looking to the video recorders for approval or re-direction is a dead give-away.

balkydj
balkydj
May 16, 2018 5:44 PM

Weird that you’d think to use a Corporate user name.
Do you work for them, perhaps?
If not, do you mind if I ask for whom you work now?
or in the past & your age ?
Are you aware that Google is not a legitimate SEO, under EU Law ?
(read: not a Legal Seerch Engine Operator, since 2016).
Do you understand why they are not legally recognised ?

JudyJ
JudyJ
May 15, 2018 2:58 PM

Whilst I have no reason to doubt that hundreds attended a demonstration it does seem more than a little bit odd to me that the video purportedly showing “police brutality” (that’s a laugh for a start) centres on a small group of no more than 20 student types (Navalny followers?) who are clearly somewhere remote from any organised demonstration – there is nobody else to be seen anywhere in the background. It strikes me that they are probably holding their own disruptive and unauthorised demonstration for their own purposes and that is an illegal act. I think the people of Catalonia would be more than happy with ‘brutal policemen’ as seen here.

balkydj
balkydj
May 16, 2018 6:43 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

Classic JudyJ, I was also thinking Catalonia, USA &&& Sandra Bland & “Huh, call that brutal ? ? I’ve experienced & witnessed far worse in so many Western nations including even in Switzerland .. when I was @home in my shower and ‘stark b**lock’ naked at 1.30 am and not permitted to even put on any clothing, or towel , by three real extreme NAZI Polizei , for over 10 minutes, while I discussed their wholly illegal home intrusion, with no door bell used , no knock at the door, zero common decency or procedure , NADA ! ” Polizei Bremgarten, Kanton Aargau , Schweiz / Switzerlalaland .. (“Dumb C**ts” as Jim Jeffries would say 🙂 , where the police cells have 6 languages by the emergency red button on the cell wall and not one of the languages was even English, believe it or not !! i mean, therein… Read more »

Mulga Mumblebrain
Mulga Mumblebrain
May 15, 2018 9:10 PM

Looks like you are the most down-voted troll yet, toilet-pot.

balkydj
balkydj
May 16, 2018 5:33 PM

I would also like to ask why you chose a user name that advertises a Corporate Entity ?

rtj1211
rtj1211
May 15, 2018 12:33 PM

Asking Nick Cohen to confront evidence is like inviting Hitler to a Hanukkah party…..

George Cornell
George Cornell
May 15, 2018 12:27 PM

They can and they do claim it, utterly discredited though they are. The Guardian is a complete fraud, trying to distract with the smoke and mirrors of gender counting, of Trump trivia, of Corbynophobia, of Blairophilia, , all the while serving as a devious conniving shill for IsraelAmerica and for their British supporters.

Yarkob
Yarkob
May 15, 2018 3:33 PM
Reply to  George Cornell

Oh for that byline on their incessant “please give us some money” banners..If I were a(n ethical) hacker….

George Cornell
George Cornell
May 17, 2018 11:24 AM
Reply to  Yarkob

It is a misprint. They say fearless journalism when they meant to say ‘factless’ journalism.

wardropper
wardropper
May 18, 2018 3:46 PM
Reply to  George Cornell

A more realistic translation of the “fearless journalism” mentioned here might be:
“Us, practice journalism…? No fear!”