The problem with conspiracy theories…
Kevin Ryan
Philip Zelikow, keeping it real
People today spend a lot of time talking about conspiracy theories. These theories often do harm because they divert attention away from the facts and thereby allow real crimes and other harmful effects to continue. Such conspiracy theories can be spotted based on three basic characteristics.
- They lack evidence.
- They spread widely before the facts are examined.
- Much simpler alternatives are not considered.
For example, take the most popular conspiracy theory of recent times — the official account for the crimes of 9/11.
1. Lack of evidence
This theory was produced by mythologist Philip Zelikow, who, before the investigation began, created an outline that was kept secret from his own Commission staff. Zelikow’s outline determined the outcome of the investigation before any facts were examined. Moreover, the 9/11 Commission claimed sixty-three times in its report that it could find “no evidence” related to important aspects of the crimes. Evidence that the Commission did rely on, as a basis for its report, was later found to be false.
Similarly, the evidence collected and held secret by World Trade Center investigating agency NIST was later found to contradict the agency’s conclusions. Much of that evidence is still being held secret including the computer model data that NIST was forced to substitute for physical testing that contradicted its conclusions.
2. Spread widely before facts examined
The conspiracy theory reports provided by the 9/11 Commission and NIST spread quickly before anyone could examine them. Getting government representatives to commit to any explanation for what had happened on 9/11 took years but, once ready, news media sources were prepped in advance to allow rapid parroting of the official line.
The timing of NIST’s reports coincided with political events, like each anniversary of the 9/11 crimes, so that media could quickly present the official story while public interest was high but critical review was not possible. With the report on WTC 7, the public was given just three weeks to comment on a report that was nearly seven years in the making. The report was later found to be unscientific and false.
3. Simpler alternatives not considered
The official conspiracy theory for 9/11 calls for belief in unbelievable things. That is, to believe the official account you must accept that otherwise honest military leaders will lie repeatedly for years to make themselves look bad. Buildings will collapse in unprecedented ways, through the path of most resistance, with no scientific evidence to explain it.
The Secret Service will fail to do its job, insider trading can occur with no insiders, and “the enemy”—a vaguely defined group of dark-skinned people who just happen to live on strategically critical resources—can remain omnipotent and elusive. All the while, much simpler explanations are evident but cannot be considered.
The official conspiracy theory for 9/11 has led to tremendously harmful effects. Many Americans have forgotten completely what it means to be an American. An ongoing terrorism lottery, that could select any of us as a victim at any time, continues with no end in sight. And the 9/11 Wars that were based on the official account are bankrupting the nation both financially and morally.
Yes, conspiracy theories are a problem when not examined closely. Let’s all take a closer look at this one.
Kevin Ryan’s work as Site Manager for the environmental testing division of Underwriters Laboratories (UL) led him to begin investigating the tragedy of September 11th, 2001. UL fired him, in 2004, for publicly asking questions about UL’s testing of the structural materials used to construct the World Trade Center (WTC) buildings as well as UL’s involvement in the WTC investigation being conducted by the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST). Since 2006,Ryan has been the co-editor of the Journal of 9/11 Studies and a founding member of several action groups. He has also served as a board director at Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth and co-authored several books and numerous peer-reviewed scientific articles on the subject. He has given public presentations around the country and continues to do research into the crimes of 9/11 in order to help people come to a better understanding. You can contact Kevin at kncryan[at]msn.com.
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What the fuck. I read OffGuardian to get sane objections to state propaganda. Not to view idiotic screeds. And I’m well aware the term by states and MSM “conspiracy theory” is used to denigrate any question of the state’s chosen narrative. As if to make those pondering alternate possibilities derided as nut-cases. Despite Tuskegee Experiments, COINTELPRO, Iran-Contra, and many other “conspiracy theories” that turned out true. And yeah, the Skripal and chem weps and Russiagate are dubious to the point of laughter. The only other falling-apart BS I can recall is in the Iraq War leadup. And sure, people who think Osama bin Laden and a group of terrorists led by him or Zawahiri or Sheik Muhammed didn’t do the dead, go all out on your melting points and things. But apparently I’m alone here since I think this is akin to giving a flat-earther, or a racist black-people-are-subhuman a… Read more »
It might be more helpful to refrain from abuse and simply point to what you find to be inaccurate or untrue in this article
One of the consequences of disproportionate power is the disappearance of justice. There was a self-congratulatory mood after Nuremberg when the US strung up a few Nazis, yet by the end of the war the west had lost it’s moral compass to such an extent that it was unable to recognise the murder of 250,000 Japanese citizens in Hiroshima and Nagasaki for the horrific crimes they were. Ever since this astonishing form of self-denial mass murderers like Bush, Kissinger and the sainted Obama are more likely to be awarded the nobel prize rather than to be brought to justice. Any rational observer can see the US is responsible for illegal wars and mass murder (including those blown up on 9/11) yet the architects of such policies, rather like the generals who dropped atomic bombs on defenceless civilians are feted rather than punished. Needless to say the Guardian and others are… Read more »
The West’s ‘moral compass’??!! You are a caution.
Perhaps Harry hasn’t yet encountered the history that is not taught at school. No blame. But after the disturbance settles, a greater curiosity arises – and a willingness to learn from a different sense of the world.
There is a great deal to admire about western thought especially in the domain of science and literature.
Its important to distinguish this sort of creativity from the kind of world envisaged by our derranged leaders.
I believe people in the west are striving to bring about more civilised and equal societies its just that we need more of them while the military industrial complex they are up against is a formidable opponent with sufficient power to destroy entire countries let alone brush aside dissenting voices.
The peoples of the world are more alike than they think and we should encourage connections on this level rather than see different groups as representatives of the shitty political systems they happen to be lumbered with not because they devised or wanted them, but purely by circumstance.
Of course much of ‘Western’ thought is praise-worthy, although it was not created ex nihilo by sturdy White Men in their God-fearing, Judeo-Christian, glory. It rests on the shoulders of giants, from Mesopotamia, Egypt and with invaluable contributions by India, China, the Islamic world at its height and others. However, what the psychopathic ruling elites of the West today mean by ‘Western Values’ are not so glorious. They mean THEIR power, wealth and (Full Spectrum) Dominance over humanity. They mean ‘Free Markets’ and ‘property’ ie their insatiable greed and contempt for other and the natural world in full spate. They mean the ‘Rules Based International Order’ where Thanatopia obeys NO rules not to its liking, not even the absolute prohibitions on aggression, threats of aggression, genocide and torture. Where the ‘Rules’ mean nothing but ‘Might makes Right’, and Palestinians are ‘human dust’. And we are all Palestinians now.
I have felt the same critique – but the need is to uncover and embody the true, the worthy rather than react within the framing of an adulterated currency of thought. Every true movement (intrapersonally or interpersonally) comes into a framework of subversion, in which some of the forms are adopted but as a masking over a lack of the Spirit that informed them. In a masquerade of ‘identity-seeking-reinforcement’ or manipulative or coercive power struggle – the framework is a negatively or fearfully defined sense of self and world – or victimism – used to justify the act of power OVER life (intra or inter) which results in sacrificing ‘victims’ to a personal or private agenda or self-specialness. As part of waking to the nature of a hate that masks in ‘righteousness’ by accusing itself in the ‘other’ and attacking first as if a legitimate grievance necessitates such ‘defence’, I… Read more »
Of course – but the leaders also embody our own collective discarding of responsibility. Much of which is the desire NOT to know or NOT to risk involvement. We use leaders when it suits us – including both setting them up and scapegoating. I feel the ‘mess’ is a call to truth – but the use of ‘truths’ as weapons and identities makes it a call to war on one level or another. But the manipulation of identities makes it more like a game of blind man’s bluff with weapons. Hatred of our own shadow in the ‘other’. I see the wheat and the tares have grown together and a true harvest (discernment) is the separating of the true from the false. The persona or masking is associated with judging good and evil – in its own terms. Everyone acts in what they believe in that moment to be their… Read more »
I agree with you, Binra. And note that it is very hard to communicate this message of our most intimate involvement in creating and sustaining the global sickness of control, deception and fear that drives the modern world. It appears to be information most people simply do not want to take on board. Personally, I find myself torn. On the one hand, I intuit (falsely?) a general readiness to open up to such information growing stronger (albeit still mostly underground), on the other I know such opening up cannot be accelerated or forced. And the western tradition of evidence-based or even logic-based rhetoric doesn’t help at all. One is left with semi-poetical appeals that make very little sense to the unwilling and addicted, and that therefore risk harming the intention behind the communication. It’s a funny situation in which we all end up preaching to our converted but at Other:… Read more »
The nature of true communication is that it reaches other minds in ways we cannot imagine much less contrive. We don’t necessarily have recognition or appreciation while alive – especially when challenging the narrative rather than adapting under it. Perhaps sowing seeds in ways we have no knowledge of, that ripen to become part of a genuine curiosity for true rather than a momentary ‘following’ that serves to reframe and bury whatever might have been worthy. I am not seeking impact so much as witnessing the movement as I intuit and live it. It is a different ‘territory’ that is not conscious while engaged in fear-driven reaction and a sense of justified identity. If essaying an articulation is a willingness to grow the foundations from which to be free of a false use of thought and language – then if anyone tries to run me through the filters of ‘define,… Read more »
There is little to really admire when you get the context – The support & sponsorship of Arts, Literature Charities by the kleptocrats & plutocrats are only a faked soulagment for the masses not to feel so bad about their poverty & to think of the ‘goodness’ of their Masters. This trick was played fantastically by Medicis who gave us Leonardo da Vinci etc and works very well today under the label of ‘Philanthropy’ in which the Elite throws a few bones to a few of the talented Plebs paid for with money stolen from from the mass of Plebs. While the Extreme Right disguised as Central Leftists like Macron, May & Merkel remain in power we will continue to be conned! Le Pen labelled here as ‘Extreme Right’ is anything but – trying to find the truth among the lies & denigration of the word Populism as something bad… Read more »
The development of city state cultures onward had the idea of the god-king and the belief in being descendants of gods. While a sense of moral disgust can feed itself on the power structures that also held the conditions in which cultural flowerings arose – it is also simply the way humanity organised and identified itself. My current sense is that a catastrophic past effectively put humanity into ‘PTSD’ – or rather, structured a fractured consciousness into fragmented personae under terror. Indeed I see that this is an energetic ‘template’ that each of us passed through in out birthing and infancy – though we all have unique configurations of personality structure that manifest in different ways. Rage at authority being evident in a blanket hate that sees all else in terms of the worst. This can also be seen without the catastrophism under the idea of hardwired human archetypes in… Read more »
Again yes, and a very interesting set of observations that remind me strongly of Lewis Mumford’s work: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Myth_of_the_Machine We do so live in our heads as instructed and structured by a bewilderingly complicated knot of beliefs and ideas, the vast majority of which operate in us as reflexes. It’s a spider’s web are are caught in and triggered by largely without realising it. My experience of this fact via reading, writing and thinking has led me to want to learn how to listen to others at a depth that is close to being them, being in their being. To do this, I first have to get out of my head, as we all do. I suspect this is where we are at culturally: an apparently hopeless crossroads that feels like a dead end: a bifurcation point. What we are, with its attendant attributes that were once so paramount in creating… Read more »
Well met! I sense that there is no way out of an inherently ‘impossible situation’ – only further layers of obfuscation as a way of ‘buying time’ in delay of the inevitable . But at some point, the recognition ‘I cant do it’ opens the freedom to abandon operating FROM impossible (self-conflicted) predicates, and listening or opening to the presence of an unalloyed knowing brings a healed or more truly aligned perception. One step at a time. As we are willing to accept. Attempts to communicate about such a shift within consciousness may generate all sorts of attempts to ‘get there’ or achieve it (or sell it and buy into mere association with the mimicry of it) – which is the old wine bottle paradigm of I (must) do this, or get this all by myself, to add to my ‘self’ and get rid of my (unwanted or hated) self.… Read more »
But at some point, the recognition ‘I cant do it’ opens the freedom to abandon operating FROM impossible (self-conflicted) predicates, and listening or opening to the presence of an unalloyed knowing brings a healed or more truly aligned perception. One step at a time. As we are willing to accept. I could not agree more! And with almost all of the rest of your response, actually. My experience of love emphasises its primary concern with Other as a generator of the joy you describe; perhaps this can also be described as “being with”. While not wholly selfless to the point of self-abnegation or dissolution, it is selfless in the manner you painted. And yes, I am taking your advice, learning how to feel – almost unthinkingly – what currently is as it changes from moment to moment. And yes too to no expectations. I’ve intellectually grasped this or known to… Read more »
Toby or not Toby is NOT the question 😉 But to release or disinvest of the mis aligned in being is the release of the need to question or doubt your own worthiness of being and so unselfconsciously extends a like worth to all. Of course the moments of such will meet the ‘interjections’ of invested judgement, but this is the leading edge of our expansion or reintegration. If a man on his deathbed can come into a quality of deep self acceptance as a result of releasing baggage, why not now? Why not lean or open to facing rather than evading or persisting in grievance. It seems worse because we more consciously own our experience – but that is the crucible of growth for we are then not seeking to hide our own part in the actions or intentions of others. I add that I chose to say ‘leaning’… Read more »
Thank you Off-Guardian for rare bit of truth – and written by Kevin Ryan no less! While the MSM is obviously guilty of exclusively boosting the official 9/11 narrative, alternative media, too, while critical of so many things, too often doesn’t touch the hard truths of 9/11. They seem to think the current middle eastern wars began after the towers fell and not a minute before. Maybe this posting is a harbinger of more 9/11 truth articles to come out in the alternative media. Maybe even we will see something about the truth of 7/7.
Do check out the Truth and Shadows blog and the amazing five hour documentary The New Pearl Harbor.
Agreed. The method of destruction is probably best explained in Christopher Bollyn’s book Solving 9-11 in ‘The Exploding Floors of 9-11’ – a logical and convincing article.
It hit me very hard in the guts, as if someone had literally kicked me in the balls, when I was at work, in the office, and I was now 100% convinced in February 2003, that the Official US Government story was completely impossible, because it did not comply, with the most fundamental basic physics and maths, that I had studied at an English university many years before. I immediately realised all the implications of what was going to happen. It was not some foreign culture or tribe of people with different coloured skins who did this, it was us…(our Western Culture who has since spent most of its time dropping bombs on the peoples and cultures – who they blamed for it – and said had done it, whilst they obviously didn’t even have a clue where New York was. Most had never even heard of America…except when all… Read more »
A significant majority of Americans when polled doubt the official 9/11 story. It makes no difference. A million people descended on London to halt the war on Iraq. It made no difference. 99% of the Global Population condemns Israeli murder of unarmed protesters. It makes no difference. The 0.0001% of individuals on this planet who are the same conspirators in all three examples act without fear and with impunity. They even publish their plans in advance and brag about it afterward. They control the Media, Government, Banking, Policing and the Military of All western nations. The only way to do anything about it for everybody to act collectively to demand the generals represent the people and arrest entire government’s, seize banks and arrest MSM propagandists. That seems impossible. A sustained comprehensive general strike across all western nations in a unified effort to oust every government, they are currently all bought… Read more »
I like how you write, Candide, and agree that what you describe is impossible. But, stuck record that I am, we do still have the option – the only option – that is always there for us: growing up. It is a cliche, I know, but that doesn’t make it wrong. It is unpalatable, it is apparently woefully insufficient and slow, nevertheless the fact remains that as we grow up as individuals, so we mature as a society. While we remain timid children, we remain at the mercy of that tiny fraction you mention. Grass doesn’t grow faster if you shout at it: we cannot force other people to grow up. That’s as impossible as the mass protests you suggest, because it amounts to the same thing. We can only work on our own growth. This small yet powerful domain of opportunity is where the hope is. I see OffGuardian… Read more »
Thank you. Maturity in the sense you speak of was something that back in the 1970s I thought to be our collective ambition and that it was being concretely realised. Educational standards were improving around the world and said maturation seemed inevitable. While education continues to improve in Asia the rest of the world is regressing. I believe this is no accident but a deliberate and sustained assault on us all. Contemporary philosophers and social commentators now openly call this a post truth era. There is now a distrust of science and rationality, despite our dependence on it, and as these two factors were pivotal in our maturation it has come to a halt. I would actually state it has regressed. In our educational establishments critical thinking has been all but obliterated by government imposed curriculums designed to dumb down. This is the era of the multiple choice exam designed… Read more »
I’m with John Taylor Gatto and John Holt on the education front. Modern education was designed from the get-go to dumb us down (e.g. https://wesjones.com/gatto1.htm), to make us pliable factory grunts and manipulatable shoppers. The kind of education that would encourage our maturation would be radically different from what we have seen thus far. It would include speaking truth to power, questioning sceptically that which we find in books, and learning how to treat each other with decency and respect, especially when there are profound differences of outlook. John Holt was writing in the 70s, but apart from a brief and aborted flirtation with his recommendations in a few locations, his and similar work goes ignored despite significant and demonstrable successes outside the official gaze. But that type of education – one that encourages true independence of spirit and open-minded scepticism – won’t be built by TPTB. We have to… Read more »
We’re all Palestinians now.
Thats quite profound and true. Not to diminish the terrible and inhumane suffering of the Palestinian people.
Agree.. Profound statement.. should be a world meme right about now.. ;>
A Blog I wrote in 2008, how conspiracy thinking has become mainstream: A Conspirological State of Mind https://manfromatlan.blogspot.com/2008/03/conspirological-state-of-mind.html
It’s not quite as bleak as that. Nobody believes the lies of the MSM any more. The political elites are being rejected out of hand at every opportunity. Brexit, the election of Corbyn, even that of Trump, election results across Europe that aren’t going according to script. The elite is rattled – hence the frantic efforts to close down debate and censor the internet. These are signs of weakness, not strength.
Cheer up! It’s not as bleak as it looks. I think the proportion of Americans who believe the official 9/11 story is now about 15%.
Hate to be the harbinger of more bad news.. but..
https://www.globalresearch.ca/planet-without-a-future-new-weapons-geoengineering-and-the-destruction-of-mother-earth/5375094
Interview with Rosalie Bertell:
edited by Admin
It very often looks like the leading global psychopaths are intent on ending Life on Earth-certainly human habitation. Whether this is the result of some gigantic conspiracy by Death-worshiping diabolists or alien species masquerading as ‘human’, or just the playing out of the capitalist paradigms of eternal growth and profit maximisation at all costs, seems to me the only question left asking.
Come on guys, you cannot hijack a discussion forum like this by pasting in a massive piece from elsewhere. Just paste a link, or start your own blog. This site will fall apart if this kind of thing is allowed to occur. There has to be some common sense moderation.
Apologies. Not my intention to hijack this forum. at all. Just sprang to mind as of interest in light of..
I must admit she does seem rather naive… I mean, who is going to “make” the US military do anything they don’t want to do? They work in the service of utterly soulless greed, as Bertell herself says, but who is going to stop them? They will never self-regulate unless ALL of them and their families are personally at risk, while the general public has got entirely accustomed to being controlled by psychopaths, and can only shrug in despair. I hate the thought that I might appear unduly negative, but I do share your “hate to be the harbinger of more bad news” determination to say it like it is. And it IS all bad news. Personally, I don’t know where to turn. Only bad people get prominent employment in government today, unless their work is strictly menial, and Washington’s reckless stupidity seems to have no effective mechanism for preventing… Read more »
I suppose all many of us can do is continue to highlight injustices and wrongs; signpost and flag things, – Offer an alternative view.. some perspective.. in the words of Spinal Tap: “Too much.. too much f*****g perspective now!” I keep telling myself to take a more ‘Watts-ian’ view of things.. but my conscience overrides a laissez faire attitude (albeit a spiritually motivated one) and spurs me with the notion: “Well, you knew, so, what did you do about it?” (and I pray for Jeremy Corbyn.. ;> )
Having said all this.. ‘the best laid plans of mice and men…’ this goes for the bad guys too.. ;>
Conspiracy theories aside.. it’s worth reading up on Rosalie Bertell – a foremost expert in the effects of radiation and the nuclear industry – a grey nun and author prior to her passing. She was a revered activist for public health.
Her books: ‘Planet earth – Latest weapon of War’, and ‘No Immediate Danger: Prognosis for a Radioactive Earth’ are worthy and well-informed reading on the science and real weaponry behind HAARP and the terrible truth behind the nuclear industry.
Ms Bertell is most worthy of an article on OffGuardian I think！
http://www.snowshoefilms.com/rbertell.html
https://myhero.com/dr_rosalie_bertell
https://www.amazon.com/No-Immediate-Danger-Prognosis-Radioactive/dp/0913990256/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1528157330&sr=1-2
https://www.amazon.com/PLANET-EARTH-Rosalie-Bertell/dp/1551641828/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1528157330&sr=1-1
N.B.
Bertell received many awards, including:
Hans-Adalbert-Schweigart-Medal (1983)
Right Livelihood Award (1986)
World Federalist Peace Award
Ontario Premier’s Council on Health, Health Innovator Award (1991)
United Nations Environment Programme Global 500 award
Sean MacBride International Peace Prize
The ‘secret beam weapon’ is a diversion, planted to discredit the real alternative theories to the official, Zionist-crafted, version of events. Controlled demolition explains the collapses, easily.
Exactly. Ocams razor is essential to counter the invocation of mysterious secret weapons when much more mundane and plausible methods fit the available evidence.
I don’t have to exclude other possibilities but can leave them at least somewhat open to further information. Whatever a psyop is, is more than how it is effected. You can see what it is by its effect, by the reactions it triggered and triggers. Attending the complexity as if to achieve clarity is an effective rabbit hole to get lost in. Destroying the twin towers holds a maze of rabbit holes. Recognizing that the act of terror was the psyop and not an attack as flagged up – is at least a call to guard the mind from capture (by reaction).
The declaration of ‘power’ to make reality and enforce it is a tyranny of the mind much more far reaching than any threat from physical attacks.
The ‘beam weapon’ was used to misinterpret and mock Dr.Judy Wood’s analysis. The .9/11 AE truth movement do not advocate that theory and are vehemently opposed to it, or were the last time I looked into it, which is a good while back now.
No, a “beam weapon” is exactly what Judy Wood claims was used. That is to say a directed energy beam from somewhere in space, used to demolish the top segments of the twin towers, or perhaps all of the twin towers (she seems to have changed her mind about that).
Source of this technology: unknown and unspecified by Wood
Evidence for the existence of this technology: zero.
There is no mention of a ‘beam weapon’ or ‘from space’ in her book except with reference to what her detractors say. She mentions directed ‘free’ energy and doesn’t identify the source. Does this mean I have to read it again to check my memory? Her book is a collection of evidence, observations and data along with reported associated tech and experiments she has identified as having interestingly similar results and which may or not have relevance. The books only aim is to try and work out what happened, not how, why or who did it. She draws zero conclusions as to how the force (she suspects) was actioned. The “charlatan” Hutchinson along with Tesla’s work is sighted as having some similar effects she noted at WTC in her ‘proof of concept’ sections. If she herself is now claiming it was a beam weapon from space I wouldn’t know, I… Read more »
Judy Wood first publicly suggested a beam weapon firing from space on James Fetzer’s radio show in November 2006. It’s hard to know why she subsequently objected to others, such as Greg Jenkins and Steven Jones, using the same description, or why she on other occasions claimed the beam weapon might be located in WTC7. Nevertheless, this is what she did.
And,as Admin says, there remains no data whatsoever to support the existence of such a weapon capable of performing such monumental feats. If the Pentagon had access to such a thing, it’s hard to understand why they wouldn’t use it in Syria or other sensitive zones of conflict to protect their interests.
“Judy Wood first publicly suggested a beam weapon firing from space on James Fetzer’s radio show in November 2006.”
I don’t suppose you have a link to hand so I can hear from the horses mouth what was actually said and hear the interview. I’ll continue to try and find it myself, I prefer to go to source if I can, no disrespect to you meant of course.
A quick search for the interview shows she was interviewed by Fetzer on the Alan Colmes radio show 27/6/06 but I am unable to find the archive so far, would that be the interview? There are numerous references to Fetzer interviews of Wood in Nov 2006 (various dates) and other months in 2006 but I haven’t found any interview links so far. Many links now defunct as well.
“If the Pentagon had access to such a thing, it’s hard to understand why they wouldn’t use it in Syria or other sensitive zones of conflict to protect their interests.” There is the question that such technology raises of the possibility of research leading to abundant ‘free energy’ for all. Besides, if some entity does have such tech why would they use it ad lib (supposing they could easily) when so much profit/wealth is made from conventional weapons, fossil fuels and green energy sources ensuring entrenchment of the current human and environmental exploitative systems that benefit and empower a few. A shock and awe event (with benefits) to roll out their plans was enough, whatever the cause of 9/11. Why reveal a tech that they would inevitably have to explain, if used again and in a war theatre, when conventional systems and tactics are doing the job? Questions might be… Read more »
On the contrary, secret weapons are more potent a deterrent as secret weapons – whether or not they actually exist.
I have no side to this. The night vans and the laid charges with some sort of thermite explosive seems feasible – but the official story does not hold up any more than the buildings did.
“… used to demolish the top segments of the twin towers,”
I don’t recall her making that argument either. My understanding of her argument (from her book) is the towers and all WTC prefix buildings were destroyed/’turned mostly to dust’ or damaged beyond repair by molecular dissociation from some form of directed energy which also had related effects in the vicinity.
Looks like I really will have to read her book again to check my memory of what she presented in her book. I wont be back to argue her case though, don’t worry.
Zelikow, Cheney and a few others must be laughing every time they see such article.
why?
They’ll be laughing at the comments section. Why?
You are allowing people to paste reams of material from elsewhere rather than links and completely hijack a discussion, turning it into their own blog, and zero to do with 911.
Who is going to wade through all this? It’s meant to be a community discussion not a personal blog or hijack attempt. We need to discuss the article and bring the perps to justice, not have some compulsive-obsessive types, or provocateurs, take over, bring the site into disrepute and lose readers. Jeez.
Thanks – we have to tread the fine line between censorship and allowing mayhem to reign. It’s a difficult and often thankless job which we do on a daily basis. Sadly we can’t patrol the comments 24/7. There aren’t enough of us.
I’m not being obsequious or currying favour, but I think you guys do an excellent job. The point is that the site needs a messy, organic feel in the comments section. That’s one of the main indications of its vitality and health.
Thank you for your work here. It’s so important.
I do appreciate the work you guys do, and that’s why it upsets me that your good and hard work could potentially go to waste, or not be seen by more people, due to the comments section going haywire. Yes, let’s have free speech in the comments, but it should not be a substitue for Speakers’ Corner. I like what you did with excessively comment further up, nicely dealt with by just showing intro and the link, thank you. Just an idea, but perhaps one potential way might be to limit comments to x number of characters, two or three paragraphs, that sort of thing, and then no more than one or two comments per article so that people don’t simply blog their brains across a load of contiguous comments. I don’t pretend to have the answer, just a thought off the top of my head. Anyway, keep up the… Read more »
Not taking your comment personally in any way, Just thought I’d mention that my suggested reading on Rosalie Bertell was pertinent, I felt, with regard to some of the more outlandish notions on 9-11, right or wrong, regarding ‘beam weapons’.. ;>
All these articles exposing the obvious bloody lies… yet they go free. I couldn’t, but laugh, if I were them.
Zelikow and many of those that helped suppress the truth, and those who so presciently predicted the need for a ‘New Pearl Harbor’ to induce the US public to support Netanyahu’s ‘War of Terror on Islam’ to put the Oded Yinon Plan into action (ie the ‘neo-conservative’ followers of Leo Strauss of the PNAC), were nearly all Israel First Zionists. And it is there, plainly, that responsibility lies. The ’19 Saudis’ were just the patsies, the Sirhans, Oswalds and Chapmans of the operation.
First point – Zionist responsibility (and Israeli complicity) – agreed. But there were no real ‘patsies’ – just invented ones. There’s zero evidence for hijackers or hijackings – and no commercial planes hit the towers. No planes at the Pentagon and Shanksville either. I think these are stronger points than WTC7.
But “no planes” is incapable of objective proof, and sounds – initially – pretty crazy. There is video of planes. To claim this video is fake takes you on a long and labyrinthine ramble through subjective viewpoints and counter-intuitive thinking. Whereas the fact WTC7 falls symmetrically at free fall acceleration is both provable and accessibly persuasive to scientists and non-scientists alike. Once you prove free fall you prove controlled demolition. Once you prove controlled demolition you prove the official story is a lie.
Billions of TV viewers all over the world (including me) witnessed the planes fly into the tower. The credibility of this tinfoil hat tripe is less than 0. Along with the credibilty of anything else served up by the same commentators, and for the same reasons.
What next? The Tooth Fairy did it? FFS.
I also saw it unfold in real-time, it was horrendous. Planes undoubtedly flew into the towers, but the questions include – were they real airliners or remotely controlled aircraft, and who was behind it all, and why? We cannot dismiss the Israeli guys being locked up for more than 2 months and then appearing on Israeli TV and replying to the interviewer with the comment that they were sent there to document the event. For whom? An old Sunni Muslim guy hiding in a cave in Afghanistan?!!!! LOL I also saw live the BBC TV news reporting saying she’d just received news that WT7 had also collapsed, whilst it was still there on the horizon behind her and not brought down for another 25 minutes or so. Let’s not forget the QUALIFIED architects and engineers who have even put their reputations and livelihoods on the line by observing and stating… Read more »
Each of us who has explored the multifaceted and complex deceptions surrounding 9/11 has one or two particular aspects that resonate with us. For you it is the planes, (I too suspect they were drones/remotely piloted).
However as stated perfectly already WTC7 is a smoking gun unlike all the others. It proves demolition was employed in such a way that pre-planning had to have taken place. Proving this in public by means of a forced independent inquiry would demand a proper and independent inquiry into the entirety of what happened. Just watching WTC7 fall with the explosive squibs seen on other building demolitions clearly visible as the building freefall into it’s own footprint does about 90% of the work in convincing people it was demolished. Every other evidence however compelling to the initiated fails in this regard. We have to start with WTC7, and everything else will follow.
I am not a mushroom. I know what the evil empire is capable of. 9 -11 stinks, unexplained peculiar things happen.
The US is rotten. It needs to go
We’re there. We’ve finally reached the point where we can safely conclude that no one in our western governments can be trusted any longer, and it is a foregone conclusion that they are lying to us 24/7. Seriously. Now who, apart from China or Russia, has enough nuclear firepower to frighten the criminals who pretend to be our representatives in Washminster into abandoning their insane plan to create chaos all over the world, just so that whoever happens to be Puppet-in-Chief of the US in the near future can move in with his military and steal everybody’s natural resources? Which naturally makes us “Commie lovers” in Kentucky and Alabama… well, in any of the Southern States… Those of us who can see the problem pretty clearly by now do not, of course, have the means to frighten anybody at all in today’s US-UK mafia brotherhood. I’d love to see an… Read more »
Agree with the conclusion. Sadly. You answered your own question – the answer is out there.. Russia and China!
(see also my comment re: Rosalie Bertell)
Conspiracy theories aside.. https://www.globalresearch.ca/remembering-rosalie-bertell/31448 – Dr. Bertell’s second ground-breaking book, “Planet Earth: The Latest Weapon of War” was published in 2000. This book brilliantly documents the hidden and lethal military agendas of vast harm with new generations of super-weapons, such as HAARP [High Frequency active Auroral Research Program].
And, on the other hand, the sly denialist dissembler, Fred Pearce, slithered out from ‘neath his rock at the ‘Fraudian’ the other day, to proclaim that both Fukushima and Chernobyl had killed virtually no one.
And so it continues……..”Home Secretary Sajid Javid plans to work more closely with businesses to eradicate safe spaces for violent extremists.” This UK mouthpiece wants businesses to look for suspicious purchases and to improve their security in crowded places across the UK to track down all those “violent extremists” who are now threatening our “critical infrastructure”. The ratcheting up of the fear factor continues unabated. This faux concern for our personal safety coming from a UK establishment which is nothing more than a partner in crime to American worldwide thuggery leaves one speechless. According to Sajid there has been a “step change” in the threat from these violent people. They are he says trying to “undermine the values that hold us together”. That would be the values, UK and American, concerning illegal sanctions. wars and invasion of foreign countries which themselves had never posed any threat whatsoever to our “values”.… Read more »
Who is talking about a secret beam weapon? It’s pretty easy to establish the US government lies as a matter of policy. Syria is such an example. The reason the United States is in Syria to to give the Golan Heights to Israel so that Genie Energy can mine the oil resources there. Destroying Syria also deprives Russia of their only middle eastern base as well. You know your government lies. The reason Libya was destroyed was to prevent Qadaffi from launching the gold dinar again. It is in civil war now, and there’s slavery there now. Remember, the official reason the US bombed Libya was “to prevent a humanitarian crisis”. Afghanistan now produces 85% of the world’s opium, that’s up to less than 5% back in 2001. And this happened under US occupation, and the US now has an opium epidemic. You think that’s a coincidence? The US government… Read more »
Well said Richard.. I have been posting this information ever since 911. It was done so obviously that one would have had to have been lobotomised to believe it. The only information you are missing is: * What happened to the gold under the WTCs. http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/gold.html * On September 10, 2001, Secretary of Defence Donald Rumsfeld stated: “According to some estimates we cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions.” Such a disclosure normally might have sparked a huge scandal. However, the commencement of the attack on New York City and Washington in the morning would assure that the story remained buried… and conveniently a missile hit the exact spot where the accountants, bookkeepers, and budget analysts were working and were killed, and destroyed all important information.. which was most probably the reason for the Pentagon attack? To kill all personnel who would know or could find out? http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/trillions.html *April Gallup THE… Read more »
The important point regarding Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth is that they make no conspiracy claims whatsoever. They simply state that official explanations for the fall off three buildings on 9/11 do not bear scientific scrutiny. As a consequence, they call for proper investigation.
As for conspiracies, many are fascinating but perusal of the pages of many online conspiracy sites suggests that too much focus on conspiracies can be very damaging to wellbeing.
@Kevin: “they call for a proper investigation”. Exactly. The most momentous crime since the burning of the Reichstag, and we are still waiting for a proper investigation. Interesting that both crimes involve the Bush dynasty (Prescot Bush financed Hitler, and both were committed by people who talk about The New World Order (George Sr. and Adolph).
“Only the facts, Ma’am, just gimme the facts”. — Dragnet
Tubularsock is so tired of this subject and perhaps Tubularsock will be able to settle this entire 9/11 thing so we can all sleep tight tonight.
“Where Did The Towers Go?” is pretty simple, the answer–CHINA!
And yes there is proof.
The steel used in the Twin Towers and Building 7 was Chinese steel.
So the steel used returned to China because it was only on vacation in New York anyway. It was on a temporary visa.
This seems obvious to Tubularsock. All three buildings fell at free fall speed into their own foot print and then there is this little known FACT that the steel fell directly INTO the trucks …….. almost like it was planned.
And as Tubularsock has always said:
“9/11 was NOT an Inside Job!
9/11 was an OUTSOURCED Job.
The U.S. always outsources its Terrorist Activities!”
I see that ‘plausible deniability’ is the back door by which no one is compelled to believe anything they choose not to. The desire to operate on a ‘plausibly deniable’ basis leads to secrets and lies and war by deceit. The US Gov is in a deep state of fracture. But as an ‘ideal’ or symbolic image it is sold to the public as powerful, purposeful and representative of the needs of its citizens. WITHIN the matrix of deceit, Occam’s razor makes truth seem complex and dangerous, but the core nature of the deceit is to assign the consequence of thought, word and deed, in blame upon the other – so as to justify asserting power over them, or taking power from them. Too big to fail means to intractably invested in – or indeed too unwilling to accept and embrace change – hence the protection of the lie at… Read more »
At this point Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth are certainly the most reliant on scientific evidenced based research in challenging the “official” conspiracy theory of 9/11. There are over 3,000 architects and engineers, and along with non-professional supporters, who have everything to lose and nothing to gain by taking on the U.S. government & deep state, yet they are doing so, in my opinion, because if the official story were truth, there would not be a safe concrete steel frame building in existence anywhere on the planet. The nonsense of watching not only building 7 collapse in an obvious controlled demolition, but the towers literally disintegrate into thin air is not lost on these building professionals. They are currently mounting a lawsuit against NIST related to its totally bogus assertion that building 7 fell due to small fires. A & E for 9/11 Truth is a very solid credible… Read more »
Interesting you should mention the derailing of other 9/11 Truth groups. We’re going to be featuring an analysis of one such takedown later this year.
http://philosophy.cah.ucf.edu/fpr/files/11_1/hagen.pdf
Admin – David Ray Griffin’s book on the “cognitive infiltration” program, suggested by Obama appointee Cass Sunstein, is an excellent look at the thinking of elites when it comes to “free speech” that challenges their lies and disinformation. Looking forward to the analysis you mentioned.
“Obama appointee Cass Sunstein” who just happens to be married to Samantha Powell, Nikki Haley’s mum and the godmother of the war in Syria.
Cass Sunstein-yet another ‘Israel First’ Zionist. The ‘coincidences’ just keep piling up.
The term itself is a psyop by which to neutralize critical exposures of corruptions that run beneath the surface or narrative ‘reality’. The term conspiracy is too limited in presuming everyone acting it out is running the same narrative – when many are operating under self interest aligned to ‘insider’ narratives that are also called ‘useful idiots’. But the core issue I see is that perceiving our world in this way gives power to a shadow ‘Them’ and renders us powerless thereby. Insofar as I can, I notice the devices of deceit as the pointer to the way our (my) consciousness is constructed – that is to say, to bring the shadow or denied self into awareness. I hold to the value of giving true witness and not giving support for the false – but this is very different from emotional reactivity – which is what all manipulators bring focus… Read more »
Very true. Regarding “emotional reactivity”. I think it’s well described here:
“…conspiracy theories can be spotted based on three basic characteristics.
They lack evidence.
They spread widely before the facts are examined.
Much simpler alternatives are not considered.”
The Skripal case springs to mind.
‘the Skripal case springs to mind’ As does 7/7, Woolwich, Charlie Hebdo, Boston Marathon, Westminster, and the Ariana Grande concert – where all doors were locked at the end of the convert…… except one?
The Strategy of Terror must go on to keep the people afraid and needing protection.
The Hegelian Dialectic at its best.
Create a situation/ Cause a reaction/ Provide a solution.
Edit: Should have read ‘All doors were locked at the end of the CONCERT’
And the real police and firemen were prevented from entering until all the crisis actors had finished playing their parts …
The Western fakestream media does little else but peddle ludicrous ‘conspiracy theories’ about just about everything. The conspiracy theory that UK Labour is riddled with ‘antisemites’ led by Corbyn, an alpha ‘antisemite’ comes immediately to mind. But elite conspiracy theories, or lies if you prefer, like this, are accepted as revealed truth-or else you’ll get the treatment, too. We live under a dictatorship of untruth.
Group-think passes off as if it meant something. You live under the purpose you hold dear and align in. If you experience subjection under tyranny, look to the nature of your thinking, definitions and currency of meanings. Is it true or is it a fake surface over feared or hated self/reality? The ‘thinking’ of the world is/runs the world, but your experience and gift to the world is your own choice – whether camouflaged in group-think or consciously openly lived. Of course who you accept to be You is the basis of every interpretation, perception and reaction. The tyranny I see works the personifiction of mutually agreed definitions. The old magic of loving to hate as a way of hating (denying) love runs conflicted and conflicting identities. Deceit works the mind given to ‘magical’ solutions that persist the problem in the forms of answer. Of course the tares undermine the… Read more »
Quite right. And any of the events in Syria, ascribed to Assad. Paradoxically, in all those cases – and numerous others where ‘the West’ has an agenda – it is those of us who can actually point to hard evidence or suggest more obvious scenarios who are accused of being the conspiracy theorists with no thought given to the definition of the term. MSM and Govt warmongers know they are onto a winner when they use the term because, unfortunately, a very large proportion of the population automatically equate the expression to lunatics without even considering the facts staring them in the face.
‘Where Did The Towers Go?’ USA scientist Dr. Judy Wood compelling evidence in book and lecture form that 9/11 was a DEW. Directed Energy Weapon of Cold Radiation Tritium. Also that Climate Change is caused, not by ‘carbon’ to create the ‘carbon tax’ but by mobile phone masts. Dr. Judy Wood, science beyond conspiracy theories.
Has Judy Wood ever submitted a paper to a scientific journal about these alleged DEW weapons? Is there any corroborating evidence from anywhere that such weapons exist?
Sorry – but DEWs are real. Judy Wood investigated a whole range of very bizarre phenomena on 9/11 (such as cars with a melted engine block but no damage to the paintwork, or paper which did not burn, not to forget the steel columns which were pulverised as they fell – not explicable by any kind of explosive) which cannot be explained in any other way.
I admire AE911 Truth, but there are other, equally powerful, arguments for an inside (or outsourced!) job than just WTC7. The fact that AE911 Truth has made relatively little headway in the past 5 or more years, adding relatively few extra professional architects and engineers to its list, ought to be a matter of concern.
Is this sufficient evidence that DEWs exist? https://www.gov.uk/government/news/dragonfire-laser-directed-energy-weapons.
Is there any evidence a DEW could do what was done to the 3 WTCs? Why hasn’t Judy Wood presented a scientific analysis? And why does she endorse that charlatan Hutchinson?
Has any hard scientist backed up any of her alleged ”findings”
Is there any evidence Hutchison faked any of his experiments, which I believe have been observed and filmed independently?
Ps other people faking videos to look like his experiments are not evidence he faked his.
Ret. Col John Alexander testified to the veracity of Hutchison’s experiments and the ‘Hutchinson effect’ the documentary star Wars in Iraq details DEW weapons and anti missile systems, both US and China have ships with DEW installed yet we still laugh at the idea that Reagan era star Wars program weapons might actually work? It doesn’t mean they were used, but they can’t be simply dismissed if you are looking objectively.
Paul Carline – Actually there are now over 3,000 architects and engineers in A&E for 9/11 truth, and over 22,000 members of the public in addition. A&E have published multiple peer reviewed journal articles including one in an import European journal. They have also filed a lawsuit against NIST regarding its bogus Building 7 investigation. Also, they do not focus only on Building 7 as you suggest. So please explain what other group you might be thinking of that is making more “headway” or doing more important work on challenging the official 9/11 narratives at this time?
DEWs might be real but switch on your critical thinking brain for a moment before hurtling off believing yet another theory. Here we go –
How could a DEW melt cast iron in a car engine that needs a temperature of 1200C yet leave unscathed softer aluminium that melts at merely 650C ?
The media, 911 commission, individual “Doctors” can print any ridiculous theories yet a simple bit of analytical thinking and fact checking throws light on it to expose it as nonsense.
“How could a DEW melt cast iron in a car engine that needs a temperature of 1200C yet leave unscathed softer aluminium that melts at merely 650C ?” “Melt” is not an appropriate word when discussing Dr Wood’s analysis or DEW. Molecular dissociation is one of the speculated results, no heat required. I remain open minded but Dr Wood’s analysis makes the most sense to me, admittedly I am far from a scientist. I do wish the 9/11 truth movement would get a case together though, surely they have amassed enough evidence by now? At least Dr Wood did manage to bring a case against the NIST findings which was kicked into the long grass. I no longer engage much in this topic these days. Too much dogma and vilification involved and 9/11 ‘truth’ is in a cul de sac going nowhere fast. All I know for certain is the… Read more »
The Qui Tam against NIST did nothing but make a rational suit less likely to ever happen.
I know zero of the US legal system so cannot comment on that.
Ludicrous gibberish, designed to discredit any that question the ‘Official Version’.
Exactly that.
Would this be like the tinfoil hat user on these messageboards who claims everything is connected to bogus number-theory crankery that zero-sums everything to 666?? Or do we have to spell it out more clearly???
Why do you choose to use such language, adopt such a tone and presume a ‘we’? It isn’t that you haven’t found a target that you cannot miss, but what is your purpose in posting it? A lot of the article above is essentially identifying that the evildoer accuses the ‘other’ of their own act as a means to not only divert negative attention, but as a justification for destructive intent to be targeted as part of a masked or hidden agenda. I have the thought that if the many took more responsibility for their own thought, word and deed, the few would no longer have the darkness in which to hide. However, I cannot make another’s choice for them, though I can reflect the choices they are currently making. Bringing ‘hidden agendas’ to the light of awareness in terms of the beliefs and ideas they embody, offers freedom to… Read more »
binra, are you acquainted with Rigorous Intuition blog? He covers the elite penchant for diabolism and the search for contact with ‘dark forces’ very intriguingly. The Western elites contain many truly Evil creatures-and always have.
I am aware of these issues if not of the writer you mention. Evil is the basis for an oppositional mind or a mind conflicted with its own being – which from a true perspective is impossible. But in imaged symbol accepted and lived as (if) true, evil operates the divisive, conflicting, segregative and destructive movement of separation as survival. As the assertion and defence of a private self interest at expense of the other and in denial of the whole. If you can imagine it, you can experience it at some level. The fascination with evil is a private sense of power, taking joy in conflict, worshipping by sacrifice of true to the lie by which ‘power’ is taken from the living and used to feed the image and concept of hate, war, pain and death as power over life. The nature of being, Is. Regardless any definitions of… Read more »