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They lied to you about Iran

Andre Vltchek

Have you ever considered the possibility that almost everything that you have been told about the world by the Western mass media is a lie and fabrication?

I am sure you have, at least lately, when the insanity of Western propaganda is becoming very clear and obvious. But what about the extent of indoctrination you were subjected to?

If you live in Europe or North America, how poisoned are you by the lies about Cuba and Venezuela, Russia and China, North Korea and yes – about Iran? Are you beyond recovery? If you see the truth, if you were confronted by reality, would you still be able to recognize it, or would you perceive it as propaganda and lies?

I have just left Tehran, a city with a tremendous history and culture, overflowing with museums, theatres, wonderfully kept parks dotted with modern art sculptures. It is a city with modern and fully subsidized public transportation, consisting of high-tech metro, ecological bus ways, as well as suburban trains. A city of tall trees, and quiet squares, of elegant cafes, and extremely educated and kind people.

A city that could easily be part of the ‘top ten’ cities on Earth, were it not be the capital of a country that the West is trying to ruin, first with unjust and draconian sanctions, and then, who knows, even by a militarily invasion.

What do most Westerners know about Iran; what were they told? I think the image the mass media outlets want to project is of “Iran – a radical Muslim country, some sort of Shia Saudi Arabia”, or perhaps worse. Much worse, as Saudi Arabia, the closest Arab ally of London and Washington, cannot be touched in the West, no matter what barbarity and terror it spreads all around the world.

Those who know both Jeddah and Teheran would laugh at such a comparison. Saudi Arabia, and its semi-colony Bahrain, despite their wealth from oil, are some of the most compassionless societies on the planet, misery rubbing shoulders with repulsively vulgar and extreme showing off of wealth.

Iran is in its essence a socialist country. It is internationalist, in full solidarity with many oppressed and struggling nations on our planet. No, I am not talking about Syria, Yemen or Palestine only; I am talking about Cuba and Venezuela, among many others. You did not know? It is not surprising: you are not supposed to know!

You are also expected to remain ignorant about Iran’s social system, clearly socialist. Free education and medical care, greatly subsidized public transportation and culture, huge public spaces and to some extent, strong government and at least partially, central planning.

Despite those absolutely unjust, terrible sanctions imposed, with some interruptions, from Washington and its allies, Iran is standing tall, trying as much as it can to take care of its people. And despite the terrible ordeal Iranian people are being put through, they do not cheat and do not steal. The exchange rate collapsed after Washington imposed another round of bizarre sanctions, triggering frustration, even protests. But the majority of Iranians understands who the real culprit is. And it is no secret that the so-called opposition is often financed from the West.

Most visitors do not understand anything about the local currency or exchange rates. I am no exception. I simply give taxi drivers or waiters my wallet, and they only take what is due. I checked with my Iranian colleagues: and the amount that is being taken is always fair.

Iranians do not display ‘arrogant pride’; they only show the determined, decent and patriotic pride of a nation with thousands of years of great culture which knows perfectly well that it is on the right side of history.

You were told ‘how religious Iran is’; I am sure you were. But unlike in Saudi Arabia or Indonesia, religion is not ‘being thrown into your face’ here; it is not waved as a flag. In Iran, religion is something internal, deep, which is expressed humbly and without noise. While the mosques of Jakarta broadcast, for hours a day and using powerful loudspeakers, entire sermons, while people are now being thrown into jail for even criticizing this brutal imposition of religion on the general public, in Tehran I could hardly even detect Adhan (call for prayer). Most of the local female Teheran city-dwellers only cover their hair symbolically – one third or even just a quarter, keeping most of their hair exposed.

But the West would never inflict sanctions on Indonesia or antagonize it in any other way, no matter how brutal it is to its own people: Washington, London and Canberra already ruined its socialist direction after the US-orchestrated coup of 1965. Jakarta is now an obedient, turbo capitalist, anti-Communist, West-junk-food-and-crap-entertainment-loving society. It has nothing public left. The elites have fully robbed the country on behalf of the West. Religions in Indonesia are used to uphold the pro-Western fascist regime.

Iran is totally the opposite: its interpretation of religion is ‘traditional’, as it used to be before the West managed to derail its essence in so many parts of the world. It is socialist, compassionate, spiritual and yes – internationalist.

Unlike in places like Jeddah or Jakarta, where going out to eat is now the height of cultural life (and often the only option of how to ‘enjoy the city’), Tehran offers high quality art cinemas (Iranian films are some of the greatest and most intellectual in the world), world-class museums and galleries, vast public spaces, as well as a great number of sport and amusement public facilities, including beautifully maintained parks.

You want to hang from a rope and fly over a valley, near one of the tallest TV towers on Earth – you can do it easily in Teheran. You want to see a series of the latest Chinese art films –you can, at the magnificent palace called the Cinema Museum. Or maybe Chekhov or a Tennessee Williams theatre play, if you understand some Farsi? Why not?

Of course you can sit in a horrendous traffic jam, if you are in love with your car, as you would in Riyadh or Jakarta, but you can also zip through the city in comfort and cheaply, on board the super modern metro system. You can walk on beautiful sidewalks, under tall trees, some of which grow from the clean creaks that separate driveways from pedestrian areas.

What else were you told; that you cannot look into a woman’s eyes or you will be stoned to death? Couples are holding hands everywhere in Tehran, and annoyed girls are slapping the faces of their men, teasingly and sometimes even seriously.

But would you believe it, if you saw it? Or is it too late; have you reached the point of no return?

One day, a driver who was taking me from my hotel to the Press TV television studio, exclaimed in desperation:

Europeans who come here, even for the first time: they don’t want to learn. Even if they come to Iran for the first time, they land at the airport, get into my car, and begin preaching; teaching me about my own country! They all come with the same story, with the same criticism of Iran. There is no diversity! How can they call themselves democratic countries, if they are all thinking the same way?”

In Teheran, the diversity of thought is absolutely striking. With my colleagues and comrades, we discuss everything from the war in Yugoslavia, to Latin America and of course, Iran itself. They want to know about Russia and China. I love what I see and what I hear – when people are curious and respectful of other cultures, it is always a great start!

Iran is bleeding, suffering, but it is strong. Not everyone agrees with government policies here (although most of them do support their government), but everybody is determined to fight and defend his or her country, if it is attacked militarily or by other means.

Whenever I come here, I have this impolite urge – I want to shout at my readers: Come here and learn something! Iran is not perfect, but this is real – here, life is real and so are the people. Thanks to their culture and history, they somehow know how to separate precious stones from junk, pure thoughts from propaganda, cheap and deadly capitalism from the great strive for a much better world. If you don’t believe me, just watch their films; one masterpiece after another.

Perhaps that is why the West wants to first ruin, and then to totally destroy this country. For the West, Iran is ‘dangerous’. Iran is dangerous, even deadly, for the imperialist arrangement of the world, as China is dangerous, as Russia is, as Cuba, Venezuela, Syria and Bolivia are.

To ruin Iran will not be easy, I would even say: it could prove impossible. Its people are too smart and determined and strong. Iran is not alone; it has many friends and comrades. And even Iran’s neighbors – Turkey and Pakistan – are now quickly changing direction, away from the West.

Don’t take my word for all this. Just come and see. But do no preach: ask questions, and then, please sit, listen and learn! This country has more than 7,000 years of tremendous history. Instead of bombing it, read its poets, watch its films, and learn from its internationalist stand! And then, only then, decide, whether Iran is really your enemy, or a dear comrade and friend.

First published by NEO – New Eastern Outlook
Andre Vltchek is a philosopher, novelist, filmmaker and investigative journalist. He has covered wars and conflicts in dozens of countries. Three of his latest books are Revolutionary Optimism, Western Nihilism, a revolutionary novel “Aurora” and a bestselling work of political non-fiction: “Exposing Lies Of The Empire”. View his other books here. Watch Rwanda Gambit, his groundbreaking documentary about Rwanda and DRCongo and his film/dialogue with Noam Chomsky “On Western Terrorism”. Vltchek presently resides in East Asia and the Middle East, and continues to work around the world. He can be reached through his website and his Twitter.

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True12th,Imam
True12th,Imam
Oct 31, 2018 12:39 PM
Shahrokh
Shahrokh
Aug 29, 2018 8:06 PM

Dear Mr. Vltchek, Have you ever heared about human rights? Do you know that, the state of human rights in the Islamic Republic of Iran has been criticized both by Iranians and international human right activists, writers, and NGOs. The United Nations General Assembly and the Human Rights Commission have condemned prior and ongoing abuses in Iran in published critiques and several resolutions. The government of Iran is criticized both for restrictions and punishments that follow the Islamic Republic’s constitution and law, and for actions by state actors that do not, such as the torture, rape, and killing of political prisoners, and the beatings and killings of dissidents and other civilians. Capital punishment in Iran remains a matter of international concern. Reported abuses falling outside of the laws of the Islamic Republic that have been condemned include the execution of thousands of political prisoners in 1988, and the widespread use… Read more »

ttshasta
ttshasta
Aug 25, 2018 3:11 PM

I may change dentists to follow my former hygienist, a wonderful, warm, caring , compassionate, educated, liberated woman from Iran.
https://pulptastic.com/17-reasons-never-visit-iran/

JudyJ
JudyJ
Aug 25, 2018 4:48 PM
Reply to  ttshasta

ttshasta Thank you. Your link has whetted my appetite to go there even more! Coincidentally (pardon the pun!) I have recently moved to a different area, in North Wales, and had cause to visit my new GP surgery 10 days ago for what was to be a routine 10 minute consultation. The practice is understaffed with three long-serving GPs covering two local practices between them and I was lucky to get a cancellation appointment at very short notice; other waiting patients told me you would normally have to wait at least a fortnight for a routine appointment. The GP was the most pleasant, helpful and caring one that I can recall meeting in my many decades of life – he didn’t patronise, and listened attentively to what I said. In spite of other waiting patients and much to my surprise, he actually carried out the required minor surgical procedure there… Read more »

Joe
Joe
Aug 25, 2018 9:57 AM

How do I know that you’re not lying to me about Iran?

Silas
Silas
Aug 28, 2018 10:08 PM
Reply to  Joe

Go there yourself and stop bitching.

TheSociologicalMail
TheSociologicalMail
Aug 24, 2018 9:51 AM

I would love to visit Iran!

King Kong
King Kong
Aug 24, 2018 7:44 AM

“Have you ever considered the possibility that almost everything that you have been told about the world by the Western mass media is a lie and fabrication?”

The author is kidding me right ? Does he think we ar fooking stupid or something? I mean the lies spouted by the MSM are becoming so thick now, that you can use it as wall filler. Even my 10 year old daughter is skeptical of some of their claims, as she says ” this sounds fishy, dad” and I agree it does sound fishy.
But reading what the public in the USUK are fed, well…….

TFS
TFS
Aug 23, 2018 10:06 AM

Oh her bike in Iran

I wonder what her view of Iran will be?

Paul X
Paul X
Aug 22, 2018 7:48 PM

Before 1953 Iran had been a British client stats where their oil company had a monopoly returning just 12% of profit to the Iranians. Ironically (or are they related?!) it was Christopher Steele a British diplomat in Washington who first suggested a coup d’etat to stop Iranian oil being Nationalised. The Americans weren’t keen! It was MI6 who were most active stirring opinion against the government and bribing religious elements to like wise turn against the secular democrats. It’s surprising – or not – that current comment largely ignores the British role but if you look at the detail they were acting with such high handed Imperial arrogance of the old sort, always liable to get American backs up, the US was reluctant to help. When the Americans suggested the oil profits might be split 50-50 (which might have been a compromise acceptable to both parties) the British refused point… Read more »

vexarb
vexarb
Aug 23, 2018 11:55 AM
Reply to  Maggie

Maggie, Many thanks for your first link, reveals that Prescott Bush grandson was Head of Security for World Trade Center.

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Aug 24, 2018 1:53 AM
Reply to  Paul X

Correct and useful Anglo-Iranian Oil Company expansion of the Amerika did it all story. However, the Americans provided most of the on the ground grunt for the Shah’s new recipe SAVAK. Stormin’ Norman, later of Iraq, was two of the boots on the ground in the American reformulation of the Shah’s security system.

Pascal Ansell
Pascal Ansell
Aug 22, 2018 3:20 PM

Wanted to visit Iran for years and then had the pleasure of meeting Iranians when teaching English. I really chimed with them — they were cheeky, fun, very bold and subversive.
Although it’s a little unfair to assume that if you’ve not been somewhere, your view on the place is invalid, I have reservations about this article. Vitchek admitted that Iran “isn’t perfect”, but my feeling is this. It is both possible to point out weaknesses (or even serious issues) about Iran like hangings of homosexuals, compromised freedom of speech, while at the same time giving the place credit and celebrating the good points. Unluckily for lazy westerners, the bad doesn’t annul the good. But pointing out the weaknesses also doesn’t make you a western chauvinist.

vexarb
vexarb
Aug 22, 2018 4:53 PM
Reply to  Pascal Ansell

Pascall, you forgot to add “from cranes”. That’s like forgetting to add “barrell” before bombs in a thread “celebrating the good points” of Syria.

pascalansell
pascalansell
Aug 22, 2018 5:48 PM
Reply to  vexarb

Bit obscure here but I guess you are referring to hanging homosexuals… I don’t get your point here, please enlighten me.

JudyJ
JudyJ
Aug 23, 2018 11:09 AM
Reply to  pascalansell

Pascal,
I think vexarb’s point is that if one chooses to believe propaganda then be sure to get the finer details correct.
J

pascalansell
pascalansell
Aug 24, 2018 9:47 AM
Reply to  JudyJ

Thanks JudyJ, still in the dark here… Did I need to mention where people are killed for my point to make sense? Does Vexarb want to clear this up instead?

summitflyer
summitflyer
Aug 22, 2018 1:35 PM

Thank you so much for this article Andre .Iran is like what I hoped it would be like , and thank you for substantiating it.
I would love to visit this country before I leave this blue planet of ours.There are still good people in the world.I have read some of your works and you are a well traveled and knowledgeable man .
Too many have had their minds warped by our Western lying media.

Norman Pilon
Norman Pilon
Aug 22, 2018 6:42 PM
Reply to  summitflyer

America, which is the rankest capitalist nation on the planet, is also very beautiful, and the people are absolutely delightful. So I agree, there are still good people in the world. In fact, I’d wager that there are more good people everywhere than there are bad. But maybe you are American, or have already spent some time there, and so know exactly what I’m talking about.

On the other hand, I, too, would chomp at the bit to visit Iran if I could muster the coin. I mean I know that as beautiful as they are, images never fairly capture the splendor of truly stunning vistas.

As ugly as the world is in many respects, it is also at the same time inspiringly beautiful.

summitflyer
summitflyer
Aug 22, 2018 11:57 PM
Reply to  Norman Pilon

Am Canadian Norman and as a matter of fact I have relatives by the last name of Pilon.But I stay away from the USA these days until they get their act together ,I will continue to do that .It is dangerous on many streets in the US ,but then again ,it is getting worse in Canada also .Hopefully not because of the people we accepted as refugees because we already have our share of deviants .I do appreciate your point of view from time to time.It is good that we share same as it builds a saner world.
Cheers.

HB
HB
Aug 22, 2018 9:15 AM

Bravo!

Peter W
Peter W
Aug 22, 2018 10:44 AM
Reply to  HB

What utter piffle. Have been to Iran 7 or 8 times. It is run by a revolting highly corrupt regime who despise women. Good public transport?? Has the writer really been over there. All the many Iranians I have met are wonderful hospitable people who would find this article deeply distressing due to the nonsense it spouts.

vexarb
vexarb
Aug 22, 2018 12:01 PM
Reply to  Peter W

Peter, you have been there and found the public transport unsatisfactory; Andre has been there and found the opposite. But both of you found the Persians to be wonderful people. Could you two perhaps persuade some of your Iranian friends to join the discussion? Get the view from people who’ve not only “been there” but live there?

George Cornell
George Cornell
Aug 22, 2018 12:03 PM
Reply to  Peter W

Compared to what? And what is your evidence the regime despises women? Not like white US hates blacks? Amerindians? Brits hate foreigners? Etc
Modernization takes time and is not helped by hatespeak like you spout.

Jen
Jen
Aug 23, 2018 12:06 AM
Reply to  Peter W

Dear Peter,

Please tell us the last time you visited Iran. A relative of mine went there years ago, back in the 1990s. Her experience then may be relevant for travellers there 20 years ago but not necessarily for travellers there these days. Iran was a very different country then from what it is now: still recovering from a long war, much poorer, very corrupt under then President Ali Akbar Rafsanjani’s leadership, maybe also very paranoid and prejudiced against the West and any perceived Western influences that might suggest foreign infiltration.

Countries can and do change, and may even improve their conditions despite being under sanctions, over time.

As far as I can tell from the article, Vltchek visited Tehran but did not say if he went anywhere else in Iran.

Jen
Jen
Aug 23, 2018 12:08 AM
Reply to  Jen

Sorry, the proper full name for Rafsanjani is Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani.

mohandeer
mohandeer
Aug 24, 2018 5:15 PM
Reply to  Peter W

@Peter W
The Ayatollah is currently backing the many people who have demanded an end to the corruption of Rouhani’s elected government. My question therefore is, do you condemn the electorate for being conned into voting for Rouhani or the Rouhani government, or the Ayatollah for backing the will of the majority?

Silas
Silas
Aug 28, 2018 10:18 PM
Reply to  Peter W

Why do you keep going?

Kathy
Kathy
Aug 21, 2018 11:03 PM

We are as always encouraged to see the enemy as being without. When invariably the enemy lies within. Here in the West it is discouraged to think beyond the superficial and to hold any depth of a deeper understanding or concept of mindfulness. The Western mind warpers! have endeavored over the years to kill any belief of the spiritual and encouraged vacuousness and self obsession in its place. Soul sucking dept and a shallow existence of consumerism and mindless entertainment are part of the spell binding and zombiefying. The idea of countries encouraging deeper and more meaningful debate or progression of thoughts and philosophies beyond this self obsession must be a huge threat. Best to discourage any one looking over there. A closing in and down of the psyche is taking place and so the West demonizes any one or thing that questions this. Questioning and querying any thing other… Read more »

Norman Pilon
Norman Pilon
Aug 21, 2018 9:21 PM

There is always something new to learn . . .

On the assumption, of course, that Keith Jones has done his homework and crosschecked his references, a fascinating read: The struggle against imperialism and for workers’ power in Iran.

Recommended (perhaps even necessary?) reading for Andre and all those who sincerely believe in the socialist character of Iranian society and the thrust of its ‘popular upheavals’ since about the 1950s.

Maybe OffG might want to post the three part series? Readers in the know might then be able to point out any factual errors committed by Jones.

vexarb
vexarb
Aug 22, 2018 5:43 AM
Reply to  Norman Pilon

Norman, don’t you know that WSWS are a bunch of Trots and their articles are verbal diarhea? For a cure, take a daily dose of the 11 part series by Persian socialist Ramin Mazaheri in the Saker Vineyard.

Norman Pilon
Norman Pilon
Aug 22, 2018 7:08 AM
Reply to  vexarb

Well, hey, they’re a bunch of Trots. I guess Keith Jones’ critique of Ramin Mazaheri is thereby dismantled, and given that it’s a longish read published in three parts, you’ve just saved a lot of people a lot of effort. And it’s all verbal diarhea, anyway, so why bother reading the piece, eh? Many thanks you for your thoughtful comments and analysis, vexarb. But what to make of this bit by Ramin Mazaheri? Quote begins: A broke government cannot afford to pay more salaries & pensions; thus, new structures were created to fuel employment and production, and to reduce the state bureaucracy and regulation, but they were not capitalist structures and certainly not globalist capitalist ones. Considering that 70% of the nation’s capital had been brought under state control in 1979, in 1989 there was massive support (even among the hard-core left) for new President Rafsanjani’s plan to privatise the… Read more »

Nicolas Maroudas
Nicolas Maroudas
Aug 22, 2018 10:04 AM
Reply to  Norman Pilon

Norman, do you realise, Iran is fighting for its life? Like Syria? When a man is drowning one does not say to would-be rescuers, “Oh but see, he has a wart on his nose; and please to read this 3-part series on all his other blemishes”.
Inequality of income and maldistribution of public services is are indeed serious blemishes on the Salus Populi; but it is up to the Persians to correct them. And it is up to men and women of good will to counter that bloodthirsty cry of “Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran” that has been broadcast non-stop for the past 7 years from Israel and the U$A.

Norman Pilon
Norman Pilon
Aug 22, 2018 2:28 PM

Oh, I didn’t realize that at all. But now that you’ve pointed it out to me, it becomes very obvious to me — as obvious as it is that Iran is socialist and that Ramin Mazaheri has not clearly, like the seeming majority of so-called leftists, been infected by what Samir Amin has called the “Liberal Virus” — that I’ve been unwittingly arguing for the destruction of Iran by the U.S. I mean it’s not as if we should mindful of any and all truths at all times in so far as we can be, especially when one or another of those truths might be inconvenient, as though facts should at all times be deserving of our attention and acknowledgement, or that we should be honest at least with ourselves about the ascertainable realities in which ordinary people find themselves worldwide, in these terrible and unfortunate neoliberal-times. So clearly if… Read more »

Maggie
Maggie
Aug 22, 2018 6:50 PM
Reply to  Norman Pilon

@ Norman Pilon.

I am hoping your reply was satirical? Because it was sort of lost on me…
Unless you meant:
It has become very clear since 911 and before, that EVERY time a collection of neocons and hawks hitched their wagon to the cause of any of the people they propose are oppressed, especially the Syrian and Iranian people and their ‘ruling capitalist’ establishment, which just happens to be Socialist..
Then warning bells begin to toll throughout the world, which herald the onset of ‘another regime change’ which will ensure that the Corporations make the biggest ‘killing’ literally, to ensure their profits are not interrupted..
See: ”Confessions of an economic Hitman by John Perkins.”

Norman Pilon
Norman Pilon
Aug 22, 2018 10:53 PM
Reply to  Maggie

@ Maggie, If you read what you are reacting to against the backdrop of my other two comments in this particular thread, I think it should be obvious that, yes, I’m being tongue-in-cheek, and if you want to call it satirical, well who am I to say how it comes off to others. The upshot of my comment is merely this: acknowledging the righteousness of the burgeoning revolts of the Iranian working class is not a call for the destruction of Iran; it is to stand with that class in recognizing with it that it is an oppressed and exploited class, and that its oppressors and exploiters are comprised of both the Iranian bourgeoisie and all of the foreign agents maneuvering to get a lucrative foothold in their country, and being oppressed and exploited, they have every right to attempt to break, by whatever means they can muster, that oppression… Read more »

Norman Pilon
Norman Pilon
Aug 22, 2018 11:28 PM
Reply to  Maggie

@ Maggie, And by the way, only because you bring up, you seem to be as convinced of Syria as you are of Iran, that it just happens to be socialist. Here is a friendly challenge for you, assuming that you are open to the possibility that you may be mistaken about Syria, or that you perhaps don’t know as much about Syria as you fancy you do: read Raymond Hinnebusch’s Syria: from ‘authoritarian upgrading’ to revolution? — International Affairs 88: 1, 2012, and then come back and tell me a) that there was never a popular uprising in Syria and b) that Syria just happens to be socialist. But if you do come back to make those assertions contra Hinnebusch, you must provide a refutation of Hinnebusch’s account, that is to say, provide sources of information that flat out contradict and disprove his specific contentions. Of course, you don’t… Read more »

JudyJ
JudyJ
Aug 23, 2018 7:43 PM
Reply to  Norman Pilon

Norman, Extract 1: “The stategy was simple, clear, tried and tested…It was to run as follows: train proxies to launch armed provocations; label the state’s response to these provocations as genocide; intimidate the UN Security Council – or at least NATO – into agreeing that “something must be done”; incinerate the entire army and any other resistance with fragmentation bombs and Hellfire missiles; and finally install a weak, compliant government to sign off new contracts and alliances drawn up in London, Paris and Washington, while the country tears itself apart. Result: the heart torn out of the “axis of resistance” between Iran, Syria and Hezbollah, leaving Iran isolated and the West with a free hand to attack the Islamic republic without fear of regional repercussions. This was to be Syria’s fate, drawn up years ago in the high level planning committees of US, British and French defence departments and intelligence… Read more »

Norman Pilon
Norman Pilon
Aug 23, 2018 9:30 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

I don’t know how “different” Dan Glazebrook’s characterization of the machinations of Empire is from anything that Hinnebusch contends, and I’m willing to bet that as pertains to the West’s meddling in Syria, both of these authors would largely be in agreement. But from I’m reading in the quotes you’ve provided, the content doesn’t really address or answer the questions — quite independently of any “regime change operations” fomented and directed from abroad — of whether there was a popular Syrian uprising or whether Syria can rightly be characterized as ‘socialist.’ Everything that Glazebrook contends may be true; and there may in fact have been a widespread and spontaneous popular uprising; and Syria may be anything but socialist. Hinnebusch’s study focuses on historical, social and economic imperatives that are specific to Syria, as abstracted from all foreign meddling. So in effect, while Glazebrook is speaking to one cluster of aspects… Read more »

JudyJ
JudyJ
Aug 23, 2018 11:20 PM
Reply to  Norman Pilon

Norman, Thank you for your comments. I did skim through Hinnebusch’s paper before posting my earlier comments and it did strike me that in amongst all the fairly esoteric ‘political detail’ there were some details which didn’t sit comfortably with Glazebrook’s understanding of events. I must confess I didn’t want to make my post too turgid and off-putting by going into excessive detail but as you have raised the issue of their relative ‘take’ on events I shall take this opportunity to mention a couple of points where the difference is apparent. Unless I missed it, Hinnebusch omits to mention the ‘brutal’ massacring by the rebellious parties which demanded punishment from ‘the regime’. He makes no mention of the dozens of policemen and their families, and soldiers slaughtered by regime opponents; the rebels also moved on within a few months to murdering fellow civilians who didn’t cooperate with their demands… Read more »

Norman Pilon
Norman Pilon
Aug 24, 2018 6:39 AM
Reply to  JudyJ

Points dully noted. And I will read Glazebrook. You are correct that Hinnebusch does not go into the details or proximate timeline of the ‘revolt,’ nor does he speak to the maneuverings of the American-Zionist-Takfiri axis. This isn’t his focus, but rather the chain of broad historical events in Syria, reaching back to the 1963 coup that brought the Ba’ath Party to power, and on up to the initial stirrings of the 2011 “uprising.” If one examines that chain of events — on the assumption that Hinnebusch has accurately read and interpreted the history — then the argument that there were no real grounds for widespread disaffection among Syrians and that, consequently, there never was anything like an indogenous uprising, this argument cannot truly be sustained. Furthermore, the details brought to light by Hinnebusch make it amply obvious that Syria has never been a socialist state, albeit once upon a… Read more »

Norman Pilon
Norman Pilon
Aug 24, 2018 7:42 AM
Reply to  JudyJ

P.S. That’s “duly noted” and not “dully noted.” 😉

systemicfraud
systemicfraud
Aug 21, 2018 8:33 PM

In the US, the first time I remember hearing of Iran was at the start of the Hostage Crisis. The newspapers began counting the days and slapping the number at the top of every edition: Iran Hostage Crisis Day 12. On TV–the lead story was an update on the Hostage Crisis as well. Then ABC News began doing updates after the late news–this became “Nightline” with Ted Koppel. I recently tried to search for the early episodes–just to look back and analyze the reporting. I thought youtube would have the complete first episode–but, NOPE. Out of all the newspapers and TV news reports I saw, I don’t remember one of them even mentioning the CIA overthrowing Mossadegh in the 1950’s. The Hostage Crisis was presented as a bunch of radicals who hated America–no real reason for their hatred was offered. The propaganda worked on me–it would be after college before… Read more »

vexarb
vexarb
Aug 22, 2018 5:38 AM
Reply to  systemicfraud

@SystemicFraud; “I think Pompeo even said the USA would be in Iran by 2019.”

That’s nothing! In 2001 the Bush regime’s Wolfo*itz sent a memo to his generals, We’re gonna take out Iran by 2006.

summitflyer
summitflyer
Aug 22, 2018 1:53 PM
Reply to  systemicfraud

@ SystemicFraud .I so resonate with what you posted as I am sure most of us reading this article.We have been so propagandized for so long and mostly because of the zionist cause .The blinders are coming off for many of us.
Much past information about the history of Iran cannot be found unless one reads books written by informed unbiased historians .Cheers!

Gavin Wren
Gavin Wren
Aug 21, 2018 5:19 PM

I’m planning an overland trip through Central Asia and want to visit Iran, yet I’m hearing mixed reports about the safety of visiting, with Foreign Office warning or arbitrary detentions. This contrasts with everyone I know who has visited and said it’s a fantastic country.

I’d love to hear other thoughts on visiting.

JudyJ
JudyJ
Aug 21, 2018 6:45 PM
Reply to  Gavin Wren

Gavin “arbitrary detentions” – pay no heed to this nonsense. You will no doubt be aware of the case of Nazanin Zagahri-Ratcliffe and this would be one of the “arbitrary detentions” referred to. She has been an out and out trouble maker in Iran over the past 10 years or so, encouraging anti-Government rebellion, and was wanted on various charges when she returned in 2017 (or 2016, can’t quite remember). It was no surprise to anyone who believes in justice when she was detained by the authorities there. There may be one or two others in a similar position who don’t get the same publicity. To my mind the authorities are doing nothing that our own Govt wouldn’t do if the situation was reversed. On the other hand there are thousands of innocent tourists who travel there every year without any hitches at all. They are the ones to listen… Read more »

Maggie
Maggie
Aug 22, 2018 7:17 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

@ Judy J

Nazanin Zagahri-Ratcliffe? Isn’t she an MI5 agent?

We the ‘people’ should stick together and refuse to be separated, and segregated by lies, from our fellow human beings.
The more we visit one another’s lands as friends, the more we will learn the truth.
Look at all the garbage propaganda prior to the Russian World Cup? Even the Bullingdon boy Dimbleby put his spoke in and it was embarrassing. We even had the false flag Novichok, but that didn’t wash with thousands of supporters from all corners of the world. And it was FANTASTIC. Not one ounce of trouble. Everyone welcomed with open arms.
Pity they haven’t all posted online…. then again, perhaps they have but their comments have been ‘removed.’

JudyJ
JudyJ
Aug 21, 2018 7:01 PM
Reply to  Gavin Wren

p.s. Gavin, on the assumption you’re not vegetarian you must try their Circassian chicken! An Iranian friend of the family got his mother to make it for us as her speciality when she was visiting this country and it was wonderful.

vexarb
vexarb
Aug 21, 2018 8:34 PM
Reply to  Gavin Wren

Gavin, an OffG reader posted recently that their son has returned from Iran with glowing reports. The FO are just doing their job, in between warning Syrian refugees not to go home for fear of barrel bombs dropping deadly Russian Novijoke.

Forever Young
Forever Young
Aug 21, 2018 3:21 PM

Societies are complex and there’s never going to be one perspective that covers the entirety of a nation… But i’m celebrating what you have shared from your personal experience whilst visiting Teheran and communicating respectfully with some of the residents. We need as many perspectives from around the world, so as to shed insight into the fact that people who inhabit particular cities and countries are diverse in their ways, but essentially just want to get on with their lives and discover deeper meaning to be being human…. Eventually. This gets lost in the barrage of stereotypical bullshit which comes through the clogged up filters of the mainstream media, outwith an occassional rare article which isn’t aimed at demonising a nation. It’s worth bearing in mind, that in amidst all of the social and cultural benevolence shared in by the people of Teheran, then that’s not the case for everybody… Read more »

Nicolas Maroudas
Nicolas Maroudas
Aug 21, 2018 9:20 PM
Reply to  Forever Young

@F.Young. No need to deprive ourselves of “the rare treat of sitting around a log fire and sharing soulful music, storytelling and celebrating” — it’s the rest of us 10 Billion enjoying burning Iranian gas and petroleum that cause the trouble.

Please tell us more about the Bahai. Their temple and garden are a valued tourist feature of Haifa, and they are very much into practical ecology through public recycling business. I deduced from my Bahai neighbour that they must be a variant of ancient Zoroastrian religion because she named her daughter Roxanne, same as the Afghan wife of Alexander the Great. The Zoroastrans (Parsees ie, Persians) were likewise great recyclers; and no doubt made compost for use In a Persian Garden.

Forever Young
Forever Young
Aug 21, 2018 11:01 PM

From what you shared Nicolas, then it seems like you already have a reasonable insight into people from the Bahai tradition… I doubt that i can offer anything more as i don’t have any personal connections such as you do…. From what i’ve read about them, they come across as very compassionate in their ways.

I was just aware that they’ve been persecuted in a truly harsh manner…. Worth mentioning within the context of the article.

vexarb
vexarb
Aug 22, 2018 6:12 AM
Reply to  Forever Young

@Forever. Yes, the Bahai are commanded to plant a garden wherever they go. As for persecution, that’s an internal matter for the Persian nation to deal with. Wikipedia says that Bahais form the second largest religious group in Persia (which is 90% Muslim) so I guess there must be around 5 million Bahai living in their ancient land; as well as the diaspora community in Israel, Germany and the USA. I certainly do not defend persecution, torture and Cultural Genocide, but I do not believe we have a Right to Interfere in the internal matters of a sovereign country. For instance in my youth the US used to persecute Communists and even today the US commits Cultural Genocide against them, so there are almost no Communists in the Land of the Free. Also the USA and Australia militarily aided the present Indonesian regime to commit actual Human Genocide on Indonesian… Read more »

Forever Young
Forever Young
Aug 22, 2018 9:46 PM
Reply to  vexarb

@ Vexarb… Thanks for expanding on the point. For sure, it’s always an internal affair for nations, and like the majority of people who check in with this column, i’m well aware of the persecution of particular groups of people within nation states around the world…. It’s a subhuman affliction no matter what identity flag it hides behind. i just felt to mention the plight of the Bahai’i people in amidst the dynamic of the Iranian nation, which we all know is under great threat and pressure from the Imperialist propaganda and military regime. I’m always making an attempt to maintain a balanced narrative around situations involving individuals, organisations and nations, as it’s too easy to throw blankets of narrative either demonising or idolising, which only serves to maintain the conflictive duality consciousness… As you mention, somehow we must raise the game and through inspired dialogue, prick the conscience of… Read more »

Jen
Jen
Aug 22, 2018 6:48 AM

The Baha’i religion grew out of a Shi’ite Islamic sect in Iran so it’s as much a variant of Zoroastrianism as, er, Judaism, Christianity and Islam are, in that they teach that there is a good God and an evil God, the two are always in eternal conflict and humanity’s role is to ensure that at least evil does not prevail over good.

vexarb
vexarb
Aug 22, 2018 12:27 PM
Reply to  Jen

@Jen. That’s my view too. I used to dislike Zarathustra’s view of Life as a Battle Between Good and Evil because it seemed to promote that self righteous judgmentalism which marks all 3 derivative religions which you mention — the so called Peoples of the Book. But now I begin to think St.Paul might be right after all: There is War in the Heavens.

summitflyer
summitflyer
Aug 22, 2018 2:18 PM

All new religions are persecuted by the ones that are predominant at the time.Christianity was condemned and persecuted after the coming of Jesus the Christ .The prophet Muhammad was the founder of Islam and the persecutions and wars regarding religion in that historical period are well known .The Baha i faith is no different as it creates a new faith among the Muslim world.
Having done some studies on different religions ,I have to say the Baha i faith is probably more evolved ,if that is the better wording , as it does stress the emancipation of womanhood and respects all previous religions .
I personally feel that the spirituality of all religions is what is important ,the dogma ,not so much.

Norman Pilon
Norman Pilon
Aug 21, 2018 2:48 PM

If Iran is socialist, then what does socialism have that would recommend it over capitalism? Quote begins: The moment he threw his hat into the ring for the presidency, Rouhani presented himself as heir to the legacy of Hashemi Rafsanjani and christened himself a moderate with neoliberal economic policies. In such a situation of moderation, nothing in fact remains moderate: in order to construct a moderate position, things must be done away with, voices silenced, and terms changed in advance. In an age that proclaims itself moderate, moderation in fact always goes to shambles. A number of Rouhani’s policies are carried out in the name of moderation and adjustment: changes in labor law, bank loan conditions, and housing programs; the employment plan; the introduction of tuition at universities and remaking of curricula. But they are in fact brimming with radicalism, a plot to conserve and entrench class divides. A controlled… Read more »

BigB
BigB
Aug 21, 2018 9:55 PM
Reply to  Norman Pilon

Norm: if, as is stated in comment below, socialism now has a plurality of meanings, it is only because the possessing classes have re-defined and fixed meanings framed within their own hierarchical linguistic syntax of power. There is an emancipatory Telos to socialism only as a participatory democratic transitional and transformative state. Its socialist function is to gradually break down all sectarianisms and end all class and hierarchical dominance. In the process: the socialist state gradually absorbs itself by transitioning its representative power to its actual constituents and participators in their own (stateless) state of humanitarian autonomy and self-sovereignty. The universal humanity of the base absorbs the functions, misappropriated power and stolen wealth from the redundant socialist superstructure. Having achieved this function, the socialist state has withered away. If socialism becomes a stasis – it becomes statist …a mirror totalising politics of violence and dehumanisation that is indistinct from its… Read more »

Norman Pilon
Norman Pilon
Aug 22, 2018 5:39 PM
Reply to  BigB

I agree with the crux of your assertions: socialism is a transition, a process, and when it stops being that, it becomes dead and in essence no different from the process of stagnant exploitation that is capitalist reproduction. When I assert that a state is not socialist, I’m asserting that I believe, whether rightly or wrongly, on the basis of a necessarily limited perspective, that those who hold the reigns of political power are ideologically (and thus pragmatically) aligned, not with the aspirations of the propertyless many, but with the interests of the propertied few who collectively rule over, exploit, and oppress the many. A better question than asking whether a society is socialist, is to try to estimate whether ‘public policy decisions’ bearing most heavily on the social relations of the whole are promoting ‘democratic change’ of both a social and economic kind, or inhibiting such change so as… Read more »

BigB
BigB
Aug 23, 2018 9:46 AM
Reply to  Norman Pilon

Norm: I’d love to shoot the theoretical breeze about socialist transition …but the pre-requisite to any transition is a reasonably healthy capitalism and the will of the people to transition. Global capitalism has entered a auto-cannibalistic end state which precludes any theories of an orderly transition. The Turkish lira crisis is a symptom of a broader emerging market crisis that does not impinge on the narrow political worldview: focussed as it is on capital accumulation. What crisis: there is no crisis? Yet even the man – Jerome Powell – who is pulling the levers recognises the risk to the EMEs …as he sucks the $$$$ lifeblood from them with a combination of Qualitative Tightening (selling off the Feds $4.5tn balance sheet at a trickle) and rate rises. The Argentine peso and Turkish lira are merely the first indicators of systemic fragility. The contagion will take some time to spread out… Read more »

Norman Pilon
Norman Pilon
Aug 23, 2018 3:56 PM
Reply to  BigB

Here is the issue for me: if the will of the people is ever to orientate itself to transition, the people need to be able to tell the difference between capitalism and socialism, in terms of what they are embracing in their heads. In your opinion, how many of the people commenting here, who declare themselves either as socialists or as being in sympathy with it, really have a grasp on what that transition entails? What about, for example, Ramin Mazaheri, recommended as as an exponent of the uniquely Iranian brand of socialism, but who is in reality a neoliberal ideologue. Oh have I got that completely wrong? Of course capitalism can be ameliorated in such a way that it could in fact make life more tolerable for the many. But the the real task is not to end the crisis of capital, and thereby breath new life into it,… Read more »

Big B
Big B
Aug 24, 2018 3:27 PM
Reply to  Norman Pilon

Socialism v capitalism: if the two are to generate any real linguistic – and therefore political – meaning: they have to be ‘oppositional binaries’. Too close in representational meaning and the range of values they can generate is (deliberately) limited (diminished to extreme centrism). Thus: if capitalism stands for imperialism; socialism must stand for anti-imperialism. If capitalism stands for de-regulation; socialism must stand for re-regulation. If capitalism stands for miltarisation; socialism must stand for de-militarisation. If capitalism stands for exceptionalism; socialism must stand for universalism. If capitalism stands for globalisation; socialism must stand for de-globalisation. I would contend that capitalism does, by and large,stand (albeit by nefarious means) for what it says: ‘democratic’ socialism only pretends too. Thus capitalism is more politically honest, in as much as politics can be honest. The essence of social democracy is subversion and inversion: to make the people believe that they are the peoples… Read more »

Kathy
Kathy
Aug 24, 2018 7:32 PM
Reply to  Big B

Big B I agree. The whole system as it stands is flawed.It insists on the people following a system that invariably keeps them under. There is no label to use for what could be. Once labeled as an ism it becomes another label to be corrupted and turned against the people. Misdirecting them away from a true and pure existence. Fear is induced. Keeping the population from expanding inner power and core judgements of their own abilities and that of others to live harmoniously in cooperation and self regulation and in peace. There should be no need for state or hierarchical control to inflict rules on a population because all within could be be a part of a collective reasoning and purity of motive. To live this way requires a maturing of beliefs. A realization within ourselves and in our perceptions of what is possible and what we presume possible… Read more »

Norman Pilon
Norman Pilon
Aug 25, 2018 3:30 PM
Reply to  Kathy

. . . while I agree with your sentiment, you cannot have, as you put it, “a maturing of beliefs” collectively shared without articulating in language those beliefs and integrating them into a coherent linguistic worldview that would be at odds with the capitalist status quo and its linguistic modalities, that is to say, that you cannot get away from “sets of cohering beliefts” that you cannot “name as a whole,” and thereby christen as “-isms.” This is simply how culture works, how it is that people come to share “points of views,” all of which can be “designated” in terms of their similarities and differences, and thus as “-isms.” The point is, that yes, although the establishment ideologues are superlatively adept at inverting and corrupting the language of the people’s democratic aspirations and thus at sowing confusion and thereby creating conditions for the co-opting of popular movements, if there… Read more »

Big B
Big B
Aug 25, 2018 7:04 PM
Reply to  Norman Pilon

Norm: what you, I and Kathy are aspiring toward, is that we need a language of our own …toward a new lexis of liberation? I go back to comment the other day: the modern proletariat have the syntax of dialectical materialism. If, in the dogma dialectics of the possessing classes, capitalism v socialism is a false and delimited binary: there is no use in neutering our own dialogue with pre-defined-away terminology …we need our own? Norm, you mention the supplemental meanings that are loaded into over a century of discourse: this amounts to a lexical tyranny over the radical redefinition of that discourse. We can only generate a stuck-record or elevator jazz impotent dialogic in the eyes of power. Shall we not forget the mantra: TINA? …it has all been said before and capitalism won (or so they tell themselves). Socialism is pre-defeated in a discourse with power. They have… Read more »

Norman Pilon
Norman Pilon
Aug 25, 2018 9:36 PM
Reply to  Big B

People already speak a lingo, and their lingo at some level expresses values to which they adhere. What some people describe as ‘capitalism,’ is really closer to what people like Marx and Engels and other progressives in their tradition had in mind when they spoke of socialism; likewise, what some people describe as ‘socialism,’ is really closer to what people like Marx and Engels and other progressives in their tradition had in mind when they spoke of ‘capitalism.’ Is the problem, here, that we need a new terminology to describe what has already been described in depth by the rich and varied intellectual traditions on both sides of the capitalist-and-socialist divide, or that people require some basic and elementary tutoring in their manner of using the already adequate lexicons of both capitalist and socialist tradtitions? In addition, whether one adopts and develops a new terminology to describe a reality that… Read more »

BigB
BigB
Aug 26, 2018 6:04 PM
Reply to  Big B

“People already speak a lingo, and their lingo at some level expresses values to which they adhere.” True, only whose lingo do they speak? As you touched on in another comment: without introspection …is it necessarily our own? There are three main conclusions, so far, from modern cognitive science: Cognition is embodied Thought is mainly subconscious (rule of thumb: 95% subconscious – 5% conscious) Language is metaphoric From Lakoff and Johnson: “Metaphors We Live By” – I’ve picked a few ontological metaphors to illustrate why I do not think we can frame 21st century politics with redundant 17th century metaphoric thinking …we need a new emergent political discourse to flow from our reframed conceptual metaphors for our time. A new understanding of ourselves as connected and inter-dependent naturally reinvigorates the dialogical process. The 21st century dialogical dialectic will necessarily expose and reframe the Philosophy of Mind that generated the old… Read more »

auntiebuna
auntiebuna
Aug 27, 2018 5:56 AM
Reply to  BigB

Big B: This article was inspiring to me as Andre Vltchek’s writing always is but I have to tell you that this comment stream has given me hope that there really are others out there who are ready to burst out of rusty old paradigms and work out solutions to the overwhelming problems in our global community. I continue to be astounded by the depth and kindness and international brotherhood demonstrated in many of the comments here. I really had thought we lost.

BigB
BigB
Aug 27, 2018 9:54 AM
Reply to  Big B

Thank you auntiebuna: your encouraging comment just brought a little tear to my eye. ¡no pasarán!

TFS
TFS
Aug 21, 2018 12:23 PM

Maybe you should do another feature on Iran. Pictures speak volumes…….

Here’s a starter for 10.

https://c90adventures.co.uk/malaysia-to-uk/iran/

JudyJ
JudyJ
Aug 21, 2018 1:57 PM
Reply to  TFS

It looks absolutely wonderful. I don’t travel abroad these days for various reasons but one day…. My late father was a university lecturer in the 1970s/80s, teaching management skills to mature students from ‘developing countries’, mainly from Asia and Africa. Most of them were sponsored either by their own family businesses or by their Governments and sent to the UK to study because in those days the country had a reputation for its expertise. As they often didn’t know anyone in this country and were here for a year’s study my father was a personal mentor for them and most of them became close and long-term family friends. I still remember the names of many of them…including the Iraqi who was arrested at Manchester airport with explosives hidden in a tube of toothpaste, but that’s another story. The Iranians (and Turks) were particularly pleasant and generous with gifts as a… Read more »

Norman Pilon
Norman Pilon
Aug 21, 2018 7:23 PM
Reply to  TFS

Aye! Pictures do speak volumes, don’t they?
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Harry Stotle
Harry Stotle
Aug 21, 2018 11:59 AM

By way of contrast to Andres enlightening article we have this monstrous turd-burger from Natalie Nougayrède – surely the epitome of everything that is wrong with our media?
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/aug/21/dance-vladimir-putin-austria-foreign-minister#comments

I can’t be arsed to deconstruct it (no doubt someone like Kit will eviscerate it, if in the mood) – suffice to say the Guardian moderators do not understand concepts like balance, or right to reply, hell they don’t even seem to understand simple facts nowadays.

JudyJ
JudyJ
Aug 21, 2018 7:47 PM
Reply to  Harry Stotle

Harry – I glanced through it and would say it reveals more about Nougayrede’s personality and psyche than Putin’s. Wouldn’t have been much to write about if the truth was reported: Why did Putin attend this wedding and participate in the dancing? Because like anyone else he was grateful for the invitation and he thought he would have a good time. End of.
Anyone else spot the irony in the advert in the margin directing the reader to Simon Jenkin’s article entitled “If the novichok was planted by Russia where’s the evidence?”

Jen
Jen
Aug 21, 2018 11:12 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

Nougat-head must still be dreaming of the day when she resumes leadership of Le Monde so she can exercise her, er, “Putinesque tendencies” again with all the peace of mind and the serenity she requires. The resignation of Natalie Nougayrede comes after most of the paper’s chief editors stepped down last week, angry at top management’s lack of communication as the paper struggles to chart its way into the digital era. Ms Nougayrede said in a letter that she no longer had the authority to do her job with the “peace of mind and serenity” necessary. “I cannot accept being undermined as head of the paper,” she said in the letter to announce her decision. https://www.irishexaminer.com/world/lsquole-mondersquo-editor-resigns-as-newsroom-crisis-escalates-268593.html Probably still can’t accept the indignity of being deposed and having to write for a foreign newspaper also struggling for readers and sales revenue. In the media world, Jill Abramson became the first woman… Read more »

A Benge
A Benge
Aug 22, 2018 2:04 AM
Reply to  JudyJ

I’ve always felt she’s been planted by some set up or other.

vexarb
vexarb
Aug 21, 2018 11:15 AM

More from Pepe Escobar’s Eurasian Hit Parade, from Asia Times online via Saker Vineyard: As EU companies leave sanctioned Iran, Chinese and Russian companies go in… As the US Congress slaps a nyet on Turkey buying F-35 fighter jets because Ankara is buying the Russian S-400 air-defense system, Boeing and Airbus in Iran are bound to lose market share to Russian jets… And Iran-Turkey trade gets a boost; Turkish Stream – the Russia-Turkey strategic energy partnership – is far from being derailed. Erdogan knows very well how Turkey is the quintessential East-meets-West strategic connector across Eurasia. And …he’s … buying the S-400s, ditching the “Assad must go” obsession, advancing Turkish Stream and insisting Turkey will continue to buy Iranian oil. So as he perfects his Robert Plant impersonation – “You need coolin’/ Baby I’m not foolin’/ I’m gonna send ya/ back to schoolin’” – Erdogan is doing the math: how… Read more »

BigB
BigB
Aug 21, 2018 3:14 PM
Reply to  vexarb

Vex: where does the capital go from Ankara? A cut of it goes back to NY/Washington, London, and Zurich. Turkey may have cooled its enthusiasm for $$$$ and euros recently; but it had already run up the biggest emerging market debt (around $450bn total) even though it kicked out the financial terrorists of the IMF. About a third of it, much of it dollarised, becomes due next year. If they cannot pay, it will be rolled over as dollarised debt. The EMEs have opened themselves to currency imperialism and trade wars by their mistaken need for $$$$ capital. Much of the capital that created the EMEs surge was ‘free’ QE money seeking the highest return after GFC 1. Powell’s rate rise has pulled $$$$ back into the US (into Gilts): causing currency vulture speculation and capital flight. As a result, the EMEs are now the submerging market economies. The Turkish… Read more »

vexarb
vexarb
Aug 22, 2018 6:31 AM
Reply to  BigB

BigB. I hear ye. You see the big picture and I cannot answer because I do not understand finance, having been educated only in real physical things like biology and technology. But there certainly is a global problem with money, what it is and where it goes; and I suspect you are more deeply into that problem than most. My own impression is of a tidal wave of surplus capital sloshing around the world and being creamed off into non productive investment, or even diverted into counter productive investment — my savings are a tiny part of that tidal wave. That’s the money side; the only side I see is billions of people growing things, making things, transporting things and selling them — what I call the real economy. I found a nice Latin phrase in GK Chesterton’s book on Bernard Shaw; he said that he and Shaw were basically… Read more »

comite espartaco
comite espartaco
Aug 21, 2018 9:46 AM

(@Jen) Iran has high unemployment and specially high youth unemployment, on the Greek and Spanish league but, importantly, the structure of the population of Iran is quite different from that of Greece and Spain, with 82 million people, a younger and growing population, closer to Third World demographics and so, much more problematic. On the other hand, high pollution is man made (like in China, India and many other countries) and natural conditions can just aggravate the problem, but never create it in the first place. In the case of Tehran, car pollution is one of the main problems. Twisting and turning to avoid the truth, does not take you far as you cannot but acknowledge what we said: Iran is no Disneyland and the author of the article simply lies or, even worst, he is a credulous and gullible ‘philosopher’.

loftwork3
loftwork3
Aug 21, 2018 10:28 AM

It’s always amusing when people say a socialist country has “high pollution” (been in London recently?) or “high youth unemployment” (the UK solved this problem by defining “employed” as ‘working one hour a week’). I’m not sure why the rest of the article is “twisting…the truth” but I wouldn’t mind visiting to find out. Assuming the US scheme to wreck the country doesn’t succeed.

Admin
Admin
Aug 21, 2018 11:15 AM

You are using the troll trick of arguing against claims the article doesn’t make in order to divert real discussion. The author nowhere claims Iran is Disneyland, in fact he says explicitly it is ‘not perfect.’ All he does is offer a correction to the kind of simplistic imagery we are given in the West. Your attempts to fault this nuance by pointing out Tehran has pollution issues and high unemployment are not relevant or useful.

Critique claims made in the article or don’t post

Jen
Jen
Aug 21, 2018 11:29 PM

I should think a country that has been sanctioned by most of the world for nearly 40 years (plus having to accept a large refugee population from Afghanistan for the same length of time) would have problems with keeping much of its own workforce plus foreign workers employed in meaningful jobs, and in obtaining finance and sourcing materials needed to build public transport infrastructure (much of it destroyed during an 8-year war) in Tehran and other cities that would help relieve heavy traffic and the consequent air pollution.

Context is important and because it is important, you want to strip it away and pretend it doesn’t exist.

At least Andre Vltchek has visited Iran and urges everyone not just to visit but to learn from Iranians themselves. What do you offer?

Fair dinkum
Fair dinkum
Aug 21, 2018 7:53 AM

The Western ghettos built under Western avarice are the yardstick of what passes for ‘progress’ under the rule of the ONE PER CENT.

rilme
rilme
Aug 21, 2018 1:21 AM

“isreal”? No, of course it isn’t. But it may well drag the USUK into war against Iran.
I’m surprised at the lack of comments about “israel’s” hand in all this trouble.

summitflyer
summitflyer
Aug 22, 2018 2:35 PM
Reply to  rilme

@ rilme .Don’t get me started .

comite espartaco
comite espartaco
Aug 21, 2018 12:51 AM

(@Francis Lee)The ‘innocent’ Islamic Republic of Iran, exterminated the Communist Party of Iran with harsh repression and political intrigue that included collusion with the MI6 and the CIA (Iran-Contras affair) to attack the Communists (and many other groups) in Iran and to destroy the Revolution in Nicaragua. They also supported and fomented the Islamist Jihad and, today, they have saved the tyranny in Syria and the destruction of its popular movement. Iran has demonstrated to be one the most reactionary regimes in the world and there should be no pity when day of reckoning comes.

rilme
rilme
Aug 21, 2018 1:23 AM

Thank you for writing about “israel”.

Jim Scott
Jim Scott
Aug 21, 2018 3:13 AM

Rather than making wild statements about Iran what about providing some proof of your ridiculous assertions. You must be a mate of Netanyahu to come up with such comical and bizarre stories.

comite espartaco
comite espartaco
Aug 21, 2018 10:02 AM
Reply to  Jim Scott

You have to make an effort, sir. Less Netanyahu and more Tudeh and more Nicaragua…!!!

Maggie
Maggie
Aug 21, 2018 7:05 AM

@ Comite Espartico

Hasbara Shill alert??

When you make statements like that, please provide the legitimate source.
Quoting MSM propaganda does not cut the mustard on here..

OBVIOUSLY, you have never ever visited Iran.. so may I respectfully ask you to keep your ‘opinions’ to yourself.

Francis Lee
Francis Lee
Aug 21, 2018 8:18 AM

Ah, but who is ‘innocent’ in this world old chap. ‘Let he who is innocent cast the first stone’ I’m getting all biblical again. Those white colonial settler regimes North America, East and Southern Africa, Israel, Australia and New Zealand, were established on the bones of the indigenous populations. It’s called genocide. Innocent? Certainly not the Anglo-Zionists. Have you read about how the British put down the Indian Mutiny? Or how the United States gouged out huge chunks of land from Mexico by force? All those American cities with Spanish names: San Francisco, San Diego, El Paso, in Texas, New Mexico and California, ever wonder why? But it would be too much to ask for a more symmetrical and objective view of geopolitics. It is characteristic of the fanatic (sorry, I have to call it what it is) to believe in the absolute righteousness of his cause. Good versus Evil.… Read more »

comite espartaco
comite espartaco
Aug 21, 2018 9:58 AM
Reply to  Francis Lee

(@Francis Lee) Have you read the article, sir? According to the author, in Iran they all are just about ‘innocent’ and ‘wonderful’…!!!

auntiebuna
auntiebuna
Aug 21, 2018 9:36 PM

@comite espartico: do shut up.

Derek_J
Derek_J
Aug 21, 2018 9:37 AM

I am a bit confused by your statements. On the one hand you criticise Iran for “supported and fomented the Islamist Jihad”, and go on to criticise Iran for helping to destroy the Jihadists in Syria. Are you seriously trying to suggest that the people fighting the Syrian government are not Jihadists?
Maybe they are just nice liberal minded Guardian reading democrats and the occasional head chopping, liver eating hothead is the exception?

Maggie
Maggie
Aug 23, 2018 1:02 AM
Reply to  Derek_J

@ Derek J
Those ‘jihadists’ fighting the LEGITIMATELY ELECTED government in Syria, are nothing more than psychopathic mercenary dogs, recruited by ex SAS mercenary James le Mesurier, at the behest of the U.S/UK/Israel and France. LeMesurier has been given ‘millions’ in USAID to gather together, fund and train an army previously known as ISIS/Daesh/al Nusra but renamed the White Helmets to make them appear more appealing. They even coached their children to fake a gas attack whilst they filmed it, and this was posted on all MSM outlets???
I am being blocked from accessing my files, so I can’t post the links, but you can research on U tube.

loftwork3
loftwork3
Aug 21, 2018 10:31 AM

“Destruction of [Syria’s] popular movement”? Sorry dear, I think your bra strap is showing. Which part of Al Nusra are you from?

dave mass
dave mass
Aug 21, 2018 1:56 PM

What’s up pal? You a communist or something? The shah’s secret police did its fair share of killing and torture. What goes around comes around- in spades.

frank
frank
Aug 21, 2018 2:39 PM

Who does this thing work for?

TFS
TFS
Aug 22, 2018 9:39 AM

Be quiet you idiot.

Whatever Assad was ‘alledgedly’ guilty off makes him seem like a saint compared to the crap the West and its whoremongering friends have caused.

What Afghanistan, Lybia, Iraq not enough death for you?

Iran is a mere lightwieght in crimes that are dwarfed by the US and its friends in low places.

‘When a day of reckoning comes’? You are a moron.

John G
John G
Aug 20, 2018 11:41 PM

Another great piece from Andre.

Betrayed planet
Betrayed planet
Aug 20, 2018 9:37 PM

The West lies, cheats, steals ( not just money but lives, futures, hope and joy) and corrupts everything it touch’s in the name of a corporate neoliberalism that is choking the planet both psychologically and physical. I am not often shocked these days, not anymore, but today I read something that shocked me deeply. A lady in her 50s self immolated in the Tory run council of Barnet in the U.K. late last week. Set fire to herself such was her despair in front of council workers and local people. The council got rid of the plebs pronto as it would not do for this to become public knowledge. Many were left outside in a state of shock with no one to help them, many very distressed. The poor lady in question is in a burns unit with very serious burns. The MSM completely ignored the story of Tory run… Read more »

balkydj
balkydj
Aug 21, 2018 10:39 AM

Thanks for the heads up on that deeply disturbing incident. A brother lives in Barnet and had not even heard about the incident, until i mentioned it to him early this morning: and after reading & copy pasting your comment to him .. he found this utterly pathetic piece of journalism that stinks of ‘hush money’. http://www.times-series.co.uk/news/16421698.woman-sustains-burn-injuries-at-barnet-house-in-whetstone/?ref=mr&lp=1#comments-anchor Of course, if you want some information on the incident , (from a North London Tory/Jewish heartland), you best open the comments, coz’ the article is shamefully pathetic journalism of the worst kind ! It’s ‘nuts’ when bolts of lightening strike one during the morning coffee , sitting on his balcony watering his plants and getting a message from within the border zone to Turkey, from me, asking about an incident in Barnet .. Sadly, Betrayed Planet , very shocking indeed .. especially when you consider this is a slow news or no… Read more »

George Cornell
George Cornell
Aug 20, 2018 9:04 PM

Of course they lie about Iran. Indeed when they lie the most egregiously is when they wish to hide their most outrageous violations of international law, common law, morality and decency. The US is a scourge of the human race. Oh to be relieved of the pain and itching they cause.

Kavy
Kavy
Aug 20, 2018 7:16 PM

The Iranians are known to be some of the most friendly people in the world. This young man was concerned about riding his Honda C90 through Iran but he was totally surprised and loved the Iranians.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cGyvvtRGJu4

True12th,Imam
True12th,Imam
Oct 31, 2018 12:38 PM
Reply to  Kavy

Thanks

vexarb
vexarb
Aug 20, 2018 6:27 PM

http://thesaker.is/so-what-will-the-sanctioned-supergroup-do/

The extr.m.ly well inf,rmed Pepe Escobar says Iran will b.come an .ven m,re important hub on the N.w Silk Ro’d because of this Caspian Agre.ment.

Like it was on the Old Silk Road. Like it always h’s be.n — a bridge , a hub, a gateway b.twe.n E’st ‘nd West. Even when the Gre.ks conquered it. .ven wh.n the Muslims conquered it, Persia passed trade and culture from ,ne .nd of aEurasia to the other. As well as cre’ting a culture of its own. Read, The Shape of Ancient Thought.

comite espartaco
comite espartaco
Aug 20, 2018 5:38 PM

The only thing missing in this verbose and slimy jeremiad is the proverbial ‘… and lived happily ever after.’ This ‘Iranian’ evangelist, more Popish than the Pope himself and that reminds us of those convert ‘Communists’ that sold their souls for some regular foreign trips to Cuba or other Socialist ‘paradises’, has obviously not heard about the grave problems of unemployment in Iran, with a youth unemployment reaching around 30% (Greek and Spanish levels) or of the conservative, traditional and Islamist fanatic Bazaaris that govern Iran or even its dependency on Oil, like Venezuela. Perhaps, so many parks, trees and ecological transport, did not allow this sycophant of Islam to see that the Iranian authorities had to close schools this February for ‘severe air pollution’ (https://www.tasnimnews.com/en/news/2018/02/06/1649342/air-pollution-keeps-tehran-schools-closed). It could be that so much Socialism and Bliss, can blind anyone, but for us, reading this kind of racist anti-Western junk, make us… Read more »

Gwyn
Gwyn
Aug 20, 2018 7:27 PM

To comite espartaco – seek help.

George
George
Aug 20, 2018 8:39 PM
Reply to  Gwyn

On the other hand comite espartaco may be a brilliant satirical writer. It’s hard to tell. cf. Poe’s Law:

“Poe’s law is an adage of Internet culture stating that, without a clear indicator of the author’s intent, it is impossible to create a parody of extreme views so obviously exaggerated that it cannot be mistaken by some readers for a sincere expression of the parodied views.”

comite espartaco
comite espartaco
Aug 21, 2018 12:40 AM
Reply to  George

But, the intent cannot be clearer… the unmasking of racist, supremacist, religious and superstitious views and the representation of badly needed truth.

George
George
Aug 21, 2018 8:14 AM

Yout “intent” is the usual list of banalities assumed by everyone. Your actual content is the old Islamophobic claim of Western victimhood.

comite espartaco
comite espartaco
Aug 21, 2018 12:37 AM
Reply to  Gwyn

Don’t you see we are your Doctors…!!!

A Benge
A Benge
Aug 21, 2018 1:53 AM

You’re more like a pesky wasp that keeps landing on your sandwich.

Estaugh
Estaugh
Aug 21, 2018 11:29 AM

Doctors who cure all ills with Stuka bombings? Dr. Mengels I presume.

vexarb
vexarb
Aug 21, 2018 6:25 AM
Reply to  Gwyn

Gwyn, I think you are right, CE is not a paid troll of the AZC; he really suffers from the delusion that he is a Committee of (300) Spartans, bravely resisting the Persians and other Barbarian hordes at the gate of Western European Civilization.

Francis Lee
Francis Lee
Aug 20, 2018 10:24 PM

With all due respect, what you say may or may not be true. I am not in a position to make a judgement, and by the sound of it neither are you. But so what? Why all the vituperation directed against a country hasn’t done you or anyone else any harm, or bombed other countries (unlike some I could mention) and of which you obviously have scant regard or factual knowledge, and which, the same could be said of most countries throughout the world. We live in an imperfect world and there is no good reason to believe in ‘good’ countries or ‘bad’ countries, unless in the mindset of the immature. Moreover, is anyone actually forcing you to live in Iran? Or do you think it should, be bombed because you don’t like the way they do things there? I think this is called ‘Humanitarian Interventionism.’ Although I think that… Read more »

Jen
Jen
Aug 21, 2018 12:05 AM

Well we can see Comite Espartaco has never been to Iran and never plans on going there. At least Andre Vltchek has visited the country. Who are we going to believe? With Iran having suffered from Western sanctions since the late 1970s / early 1980s, having fought an 8-year war during the 1980s as well, and hosting one of the largest refugee populations on the planet (most refugees coming from Afghanistan), I only wonder that the youth unemployment rate is at 30% – actually lower than unsanctioned Spain’s youth unemployment rate of 34% – and not any higher. As for Tehran’s air pollution, the city sits between the Alborz mountains to the north and a desert plateau to the south. It attracts thousands of migrants from around the country (and refugees from Afghanistan) looking for work. The city population is over 8 million and the metropolitan area population is almost… Read more »

Brian
Brian
Aug 21, 2018 3:47 AM

You sound like a right winger from hell. You would have been right there beside Kermit conspiring with the Brits and compromised Iranians to lie, cheat, steal, and murder all for the sake of overthrowing Mohammad Mossadegh because he was proceeding with nationalizing the oil industry. You would be right there beside the installed Shah disappearing political opponents in the years that eventually led to the Iranian revolution after enough Iranian youth said “enough is enough”. And you will be right next to Trump if and when he orders an attack on Iran and you will celebrate the deaths of countless Persians. But you’re a right winger from hell. That’s what you do.

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Aug 21, 2018 6:10 PM
Reply to  Brian

‘You would be right there beside the installed Shah disappearing political opponents in the years that eventually led to the Iranian revolution after enough Iranian youth said “enough is enough”.’ People keep sayng that. However the reality is somewhat different. Initially the Shah ran his own not very effective, not particularly oppressive security service. After his return to Iran in July 1953 his previous approach to state security, in particular the security of American and British oil interests there, was far too lax for the Americans, who stepped in to offer him “advice” on how to set up and do real security and who thereafter kept a close, very close, watching brief on its maintenance and progress. He, like any good middle-management monarch in the pocket of a demanding sponsor, was often not too happy about much of what went on, but neither did he put up a courageous display… Read more »

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Aug 22, 2018 12:55 AM
Reply to  Robbobbobin

Courtesy trigger alert for one-track soundbite minds:skip this post.

Furthermore, the oppressive state security measures implemented in the aftermath of the revolution that saw the Shah off were considerably more extensive and nasty than anything either the weakling Shah or his American owners were inclined or able to deploy.

vexarb
vexarb
Aug 21, 2018 6:39 AM

CE, thank you for quoting from Iranian TasnimNews re menace of air pollution. Countries such as Iran, Saudi Arabia, Bahrein, Russia, Poland, Australia, UK and USA which export carboniferous fuels ought to be in the forefront of Clean Energy Research; unfortunately they are not, and this is bad — bad for them and bad for the customers who buy their polluting hydrocarbons and raise global CO2 levels in the air of our planet. The looming threat of Global Warming will soon make all our little ethnic wars look like spats in a kindergarden.

balkydj
balkydj
Aug 21, 2018 9:35 AM

@Committee 4espar-tacos&nachos , > our resident ‘Save d’Taco’ TT (Tyneside Troll) , who loves to refer to ‘us’ when he actually means ‘me-me-me’ , I have but one question: – it is one thing to be able to read an article, like a Norwegian Blue Parrot, but the question is did you comprehend it & Vitchek’s words ??? Vitchek made himself perfectly clear, from the outset , I quote:- “But what about the extent of indoctrination you were subjected to?” After reading your absurdly low level trolling recently, Balky was more inclined to “jump on a ‘Stuka’ and bomb the Hell out of YOU, personally …!!! ” , coz’ Balky knows full well that the whole of Tyneside cannot be as ignorant & arrogant & presumptuous as you .. Please refrain in future, from utilising the collective “we or us” , coz’ clearly everybody is disgusted with & tired of… Read more »

Brian Eggar
Brian Eggar
Aug 20, 2018 4:53 PM

I recently saw the PBS documentary entitled “Our man in Teheran”, a Dutch reporter married to an Iranian photographer, well worth watching. Unfortunately, Iran is sitting on $45 trillion in oil and gas reserves. US oil reserves might be four or five years and even Saudi is running out. What does this mean, if there is not an imminent regime change then there will be a trumped up pretext for invasion and a division of the spoils. After all the First Nation would hate to turn up with a begging bowl, desperate for Iran to supply them with oil at any price. Any tinkering by America or Israel will see an immediate closure of the Straits of Hormuz and oil and gas prices reaching stratospheric levels. The Coalition might resort to tactical nuclear weapons to clear the area but then you are entering a brand new ball game with far… Read more »

nwwoodsnwwoods
nwwoodsnwwoods
Aug 20, 2018 5:37 PM
Reply to  Brian Eggar

“…and even Saudi is running out”

Please please let the arrogant bastard Saudis’ oil reserves run out now. Amen

vexarb
vexarb
Aug 20, 2018 7:09 PM
Reply to  nwwoodsnwwoods

Brian, the ayatollah Khomeini says, THERE WILL BE NO WAR. (He spelled it out kindly in CAPITALS because he was replying in kind to the POTU$A, an elephantine literacy-challenged trumpety Trump type).

Jen
Jen
Aug 21, 2018 12:07 AM
Reply to  vexarb

It’s Khamenei, not Khomeini. Khomeini died in 1989.

Admin
Admin
Aug 20, 2018 5:47 PM
Reply to  Brian Eggar

the US would only invade Iran if it ignored the advice of its own military, who surely realise they could not win and might well lose catastrophically. And Iran never closed the Straits of Hormuz once during the Iran/Iraq war, despite repeat predictions from armchair warriors that they would.

Just to provide a bit of non-hysterical counterweight to your predictions 🙂

Jerry Alatalo
Jerry Alatalo
Aug 20, 2018 4:37 PM

Could a longtime supporter of OffGuardian be provided an explanation as to why his recent comments were blocked? Thank you.

Admin
Admin
Aug 20, 2018 5:51 PM
Reply to  Jerry Alatalo

We haven’t blocked or censored any comments from you or from anyone else. If comments have failed to appear that will be the famous glitchiness we have to warn people about all the time.

Sometimes comments just disappear I’m afraid. Please be assured you aren’t being censored

Jerry Alatalo
Jerry Alatalo
Aug 20, 2018 9:30 PM
Reply to  Admin

Thank you for the explanation … Usually, subsequent comments appear in the “Comments I’ve Made” dashboard feature, but for whatever reason(s) recent OG comments are not showing up there, including in this instance. One gets the strong feeling suppression measures are on the increase in correlation with strong revelations of truth. Thanks again.

vexarb
vexarb
Aug 20, 2018 6:13 PM
Reply to  Jerry Alatalo

Jerry, my comments often crash, sometimes vanish and are usually full of mystypes, for which I blame unruly electrons. So I type them first on a plain text WP then Copy ‘nd Paste. If it disappears, Paste again.

Aleph
Aleph
Aug 20, 2018 4:31 PM

Regarding Iran’s status as a “socialist” country: I see there’s no mention of joint, democratic ownership of the means of production – that is control by the workers – , you know the core of what socialism is? If Iran is socialist because muh free stuff and government programs, then so is Denmark,Norway or Sweden, which is the same sort of fallacy the right wing commit.

Manda
Manda
Aug 20, 2018 6:57 PM
Reply to  Aleph

Socialism has many interpretations around the world, all suffer constantly from subversion by the western led empire of capital, finance and guns. Vltchek clarifies what he deems as Socialist Iran.

Did you read the bit about preaching?

Aleph
Aleph
Aug 20, 2018 8:44 PM
Reply to  Manda

Socialism: joint ownership of the means of production

Capitalism: private ownership of the means of production

Middle Eastern economies generally don’t fit either. The nationalize a lot, but there’s no reason to suggest this equates to the workers owning the means of production (if anything, the state owns it, and not the people).

What Vltchek is calling socialism would be referred to as social democracy.

Jen
Jen
Aug 21, 2018 12:38 AM
Reply to  Aleph

Dear Aleph,

Try reading Ramin Mazaheri’s article on the Basij. It started as a civilian volunteer militia group, was disbanded, then brought back under the Revolutionary Guard umbrella and is now the major volunteer organisation for young people.

“Iran’s Basij: Reconstructing society via class warfare”
https://thesaker.is/irans-basij-reconstructing-society-via-class-warfare/

The Basij acts as an internal security force, youth volunteer organisation and co-op that owns businesses (over 1,400 businesses according to Mazaheri) and provides benefits for its members including places set aside for Basij members at universities.

BigB
BigB
Aug 21, 2018 9:23 AM
Reply to  Jen

Jen: I’m well aware of the Basij, and the Western characterisation of state-to-state privatisations as ‘neoliberal’: but the characterisation of Iran as purely socialist is contradicted by Rouhani’s neoliberal pretensions. Rouhani declared Iran as “open for investment” at Davos in 2014 (at the beginning of his first four year term). He inherited the neoliberal ‘Vision 2025’, but it is still the blueprint for development. Iran wants to attract $3.7tn in investment (a third as Foreign Direct Investment); and seems prepared to liberalise and privatise to accomplish this …expanding their Free Trade Zones and Special Economic Zones. Whilst this might be termed ‘neoliberalism with Iranian characteristics’ to differentiate from the more rapine Western neoliberalism – its not very socialist? Fortunately, the JCPOA and sanctions have forestalled these neoliberal pretensions. FDI was 0.8% of GDP in 2014. [World Bank] The dissent to the neoliberalisation was part of the tensions that precipitated the… Read more »

Norman Pilon
Norman Pilon
Aug 21, 2018 11:33 AM
Reply to  BigB

Iran is not — as Vltchek, who is more poet than either philosopher or political economist, may sincerely believe — socialist. The country is capitalist, like all others across the planet, all of which provide varying degrees of ‘social welfare’ to the populations under their undemocratic rule. And yes, as Big B rightly underscores, the current ruling Iranian political establishment is very much in thrall to a species of ‘neoliberalism,’ albeit one with an Iranian tint. For a better assessment of what life in Iran is like for ordinary people, a brief quote to entice your curiosity, so that you may go and read from other sources, to broaden your perspective, and a few links: Quote begins: The recent demonstrations in Iran have been noteworthy for their geographic scope and range of grievances. Triggered by discontent over persistent unemployment and inflation, long overdue wages and pensions, the reduction of cash… Read more »

vexarb
vexarb
Aug 22, 2018 6:57 AM
Reply to  Norman Pilon

@Norman Pilon: “Quote: The recent demonstrations in Iran ”

I looked at your Link, saw its name The Jacobin, and read no further. Some time ago I took a sniff or two of The Jacobin; smelt like a case of The Trots.

Norman Pilon
Norman Pilon
Aug 22, 2018 2:55 PM
Reply to  vexarb

Well, good that you have a nose, vexarb, and that you can smell the bullshit in an argument without ever having to read and think about it, or bothering to refute it in a forum such as this one, so as to maybe educate someone like me about the fallacies or errors of fact in the arguments to which I’ve naively exposed myself and under whose sway I have inadvertently fallen. Trots and Jacobins, eh? I had no idea just how degenerate they were. Luckily, though, your nose is looking out for me.

Jules Moules
Jules Moules
Aug 20, 2018 3:49 PM

My son went to Iran about 18 months ago. He came back from a long trip and said, “Dad, it’s delightful! So friendly and cultured. You’d love it!”

That’s all I needed to know. An opinion from somebody with no illusions, hang-ups or axe to grind. I never, ever believe the media especially their manufactured ‘axis of Elvis’, as Bush might have called it.

Paul X
Paul X
Aug 20, 2018 3:46 PM

Libya was another socialist state with the best education and health systems in Africa paid for by oil. Then NATO bombed it into the Stone Age to ‘save it’.

John G
John G
Aug 20, 2018 11:51 PM
Reply to  Paul X

Not ‘paid for by oil’. Paid for with currency.

vexarb
vexarb
Aug 22, 2018 7:05 AM
Reply to  John G

@JohnG. And the Libyan currency was not issued by a Rothschild bank. Which is why Libya had to be smashed.

“Western” countries will continue to issue bad news about Iran (most of all from Israel) until the Bank of Iran is owned by Rothschild.

Maggie
Maggie
Aug 23, 2018 1:58 AM
Reply to  vexarb

@ Vexarb As you say the Banking Cabal gave the orders for Libya to be smashed, because they were going to refuse the petro dollar and trade only in gold.. Sidney Blumenthal, in his email to Hillary Clinton confirmed, “Qaddafi’s government holds 143 tons of gold, and a similar amount in silver. During late March, 2011 these stocks were moved to SABHA (south west in the direction of the Libyan border with Niger and Chad); taken from the vaults of the Libyan Central Bank in Tripoli.” He went on to say the gold and silver was valued at $7 billion and was one of the reasons Nicolas Sarkozy embarked on a French attack of Libya. ”Where is this now?” Feb 2009 – Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi vowed to pursue his vision of a United States of Africa, in his inaugural address as the new chairman of the African Union. Col… Read more »

R to the J
R to the J
Aug 20, 2018 3:20 PM

People ahould learn about the events that led to the Iranian Revolution. In short the Iran was a vassal state of Britain where the Iranian monarchy in exchange for establishing an oil industry created the Anglo Iranian Oil Company. The problem was Iran got very little benefit and the corrupt monarchy was Ok with it. So a very influential and impressive guy who said things that are true even today (I cant remember his arab name but its easy to find out who he is) and he successfully took power with the purpose of sharing the wealth with the people. It was short lived the Brits came in and helped install the monarchys heir (the son) back into power. When they did that everyone rose up. You should really look into this. The guy who led the revolution is on point when he speaks. The guy shouldve written books.

auntiebuna
auntiebuna
Aug 20, 2018 4:17 PM
Reply to  R to the J

Was the man Mohammed Mossadeq?
First time the CIA destroyed a democratically elected and beloved leader and replaced him with a corrupt sheik. That was 1953 and President Eisenhower ordered it.

Kangal
Kangal
Aug 20, 2018 10:32 PM
Reply to  auntiebuna

or perhaps Malek Motakalem in 1906, Mossadegh was not the only Iranian we quashed, one of quite a few.

http://www.iranchamber.com/history/constitutional_revolution/constitutional_revolution.php

Antonyl
Antonyl
Aug 21, 2018 4:07 AM
Reply to  auntiebuna

So the CIA was not defending Democracy but Big Oil. Eisenhower got wise when he left office in 1961: see his farewell speech.

Jen
Jen
Aug 21, 2018 12:21 AM
Reply to  R to the J

This “impressive” fellow R to the J refers to was indeed Prime Minister Mohammed Mossadegh (or Mossadeq as Auntiebuna says). His government overthrown by the CIA in a plot hatched by John Foster Dulles (US Secretary of State under President Dwight D Eisenhower), his brother Allen Dulles (CIA head) and Kermit Roosevelt (CIA Middle East station head and grandson of Theodore Roosevelt), and urged on by the British government under then PM Winston Churchill.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/adamcurtis/entries/a9619e5f-4a78-38d6-baf1-97afd6d0326e

Tom
Tom
Aug 21, 2018 4:15 AM
Reply to  Jen

General Norman Schwarzkopf SR was involved in the coup in 1953. General Norman Schwarzkopf junior was in charge of the 1991 Gulf War against Iraq. I hope like hell that bastard didn’t have any kids to carry on his family’s genocidal tendencies.

Antonyl
Antonyl
Aug 21, 2018 12:40 PM
Reply to  Jen

There is no mention of Churchill in the article that you linked.

He had a stroke in 1953. After the death of Stalin in the same year he favoured better British-Soviet relations but this was not appreciated by his own party and the US (as with JFK, Trump!!).

Paul X
Paul X
Aug 21, 2018 1:24 PM
Reply to  Antonyl

I thought the 1953 Coup was also partially anti British or more precisely anti the British oil company that had been the means of maintaining British influence over the country? When did Churchill have a stroke? When was the coup? MI6 were sidelined and the Americans took over the oil? The Dulles brothers saw the UK as colonialists of the worst kind (not very effective in control) and, as always, couldn’t resist stealing the business and extending control over another part of the World. For them it was important to kick the UK out of world politics because they were broke, hated across the world and had effectively lost WW2. The brothers felt both France and Britain were finished after their defeats in the Far East. They determined as early as 1942 that the US would inevitably take over their role as World Controllers – and make lots of money,… Read more »

Antonyl
Antonyl
Aug 21, 2018 3:34 PM
Reply to  Paul X

JFK’s assassination was “investigated” by the Warren commission established by LBJ (!!!) and counted Allen Dulles amongst its members (!!!). So the person who benefited most by JFK’s death plus a specialist in political assignations/coups in the Americas: joke upon joke.
No wonder they came up with zilch.

Antonyl
Antonyl
Aug 21, 2018 3:39 PM
Reply to  Antonyl

Allen Dulles was buried “next” to John Wilkes Booth in Boston: fitting.

Jen
Jen
Aug 21, 2018 11:42 PM
Reply to  Antonyl

Churchill had a stroke in June 1953. By early August 1953, he was back at work on light duties. The CIA coup against Mohammed Mossadegh took place in mid to late August 1953.

During the time Churchill was recuperating, he apparently did not want news of his stroke to be public. He would have had to resign otherwise. He resigned as PM in April 1955.

At the very least Churchill should have known that MI6 was involved in the coup. What role MI6 played is still not known – not least because as recently as 2013 there was still resistance in Britain against releasing information into the public domain about what MI6 did.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10253384/British-diplomats-tried-to-suppress-details-of-MI6-role-in-Iran-coup.html

One would like to know what Churchill could (or should) have done to stop MI6 from influencing or pressuring the CIA to carry out the coup.

Antonyl
Antonyl
Aug 22, 2018 4:19 AM
Reply to  Jen

Trump is at “full” health: still US/K deep state keeps supporting ISIS and Al Qaeda in Syria and threatening Iran. Trump’s election promises were to get out of these foreign quagmires.
Long sitting bureaucracy/industry is hard to unsettle by a temporary politician, specially is s/he is weakened.

Antonyl
Antonyl
Aug 22, 2018 4:26 AM
Reply to  Jen

https://www.historytoday.com/daniel-wb-lomas/iran-britain-and-operation-boot

Trying to help BP MI6 only lost them more oil royalties, now to the US rather than to Iran!