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		By: Admin		</title>
		<link>https://off-guardian.org/2018/08/22/the-welsh-orchestra-defying-the-ukrainian-coup-regime/#comment-3632</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2018 22:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://off-guardian.org/2018/08/22/the-welsh-orchestra-defying-the-ukrainian-coup-regime/#comment-3631&quot;&gt;Richard&lt;/a&gt;.

Just to clarify, are you alleging the Crimean referendum was rigged and that Moslem Tatars have been murdered by the Russian government?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://off-guardian.org/2018/08/22/the-welsh-orchestra-defying-the-ukrainian-coup-regime/#comment-3631">Richard</a>.</p>
<p>Just to clarify, are you alleging the Crimean referendum was rigged and that Moslem Tatars have been murdered by the Russian government?</p>
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		By: Richard		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2018 17:31:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://off-guardian.org/2018/08/22/the-welsh-orchestra-defying-the-ukrainian-coup-regime/#comment-3619&quot;&gt;GrigoryZinoviev&lt;/a&gt;.

Of course. Crimea did have an autonomous government : one which was commandeered at gunpoint by Russian stooges at the time of the annexation. Before a hastily organised referendum which presaged the ethnic cleansing of Moslem Tatars 
As for this being a tour of ‘Crimea’ it was actually a tour of Russia with Crimea thrown in at the end. Plainly this band were willing participants in a propaganda coup by the real ‘fascists’ here . It’s disappointing that they have refused to respond so far to any of the dissenting voices that have been raised.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://off-guardian.org/2018/08/22/the-welsh-orchestra-defying-the-ukrainian-coup-regime/#comment-3619">GrigoryZinoviev</a>.</p>
<p>Of course. Crimea did have an autonomous government : one which was commandeered at gunpoint by Russian stooges at the time of the annexation. Before a hastily organised referendum which presaged the ethnic cleansing of Moslem Tatars<br />
As for this being a tour of ‘Crimea’ it was actually a tour of Russia with Crimea thrown in at the end. Plainly this band were willing participants in a propaganda coup by the real ‘fascists’ here . It’s disappointing that they have refused to respond so far to any of the dissenting voices that have been raised.</p>
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		By: Mikhail Simonyan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mikhail Simonyan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2018 13:08:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I express the words of support of my colleagues from Welsh who came to the Crimea and spoke to people who are no different from people living in England!
In general, in the 21st century it is wild when art is made up of fictitious political frameworks! Culture has no boundaries and art is eternal, then that will survive any conflict.
The goal of musicians is to speak to people in any conditions and carry the good and eternal that is in music.

Yours most sincerely 
Mikhail Simonyan]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I express the words of support of my colleagues from Welsh who came to the Crimea and spoke to people who are no different from people living in England!<br />
In general, in the 21st century it is wild when art is made up of fictitious political frameworks! Culture has no boundaries and art is eternal, then that will survive any conflict.<br />
The goal of musicians is to speak to people in any conditions and carry the good and eternal that is in music.</p>
<p>Yours most sincerely<br />
Mikhail Simonyan</p>
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		By: SteveKomarnyckyj (@SteveKomarnycky)		</title>
		<link>https://off-guardian.org/2018/08/22/the-welsh-orchestra-defying-the-ukrainian-coup-regime/#comment-3629</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2018 14:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hilariously my comment re racism drew a typically patronising response from a &quot;progressive&quot; which also revealed their support for a Russian imperialism, and really have no idea of how Nick Griffin shares their views. White supremacists with a red flag...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hilariously my comment re racism drew a typically patronising response from a &#8220;progressive&#8221; which also revealed their support for a Russian imperialism, and really have no idea of how Nick Griffin shares their views. White supremacists with a red flag&#8230;</p>
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		By: Paul Harvey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Harvey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2018 15:39:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://off-guardian.org/2018/08/22/the-welsh-orchestra-defying-the-ukrainian-coup-regime/#comment-3627&quot;&gt;SteveKomarnyckyj (@SteveKomarnycky)&lt;/a&gt;.

Surely you mean Brits of a right wing hue, who indeed would count neo-nazis like Nick Griffin as their friend?

Please don&#039;t take this as patronising, but I think you may have a fundamental misunderstanding about left-wing politics and right-wing politics.

Left wing politics is predicated exclusively on a class/power based understanding of the world and sees ethnic hatred and xenophobia as a function/effect of capitalism, power and control.

Right wing politics is slightly more complex as the spectrum takes us from the &#039;corporatism&#039; of Italian fascism to the race based ideology of Nazism (with extreme forms of right wing  Nationalism borrowing from both ideologies)

All the comments in this page are directed towards the fascist, neo-nazi and extreme nationalism of elements in the Kiev regime along with a critical view of its financial and military support by NATO and various western countries.

The opposition to the current Ukrainian regime (as expressed in the comments on this page) is predicated on its political structure and ideology, not upon a xenophobic analysis regarding the ethnicity of its people.

I imagine most of the people who have written comments view the attempt by the Ukrainian state to stop a Welsh brass band from playing in Crimea as an outbreak of the fascist mind - a complete over-reaction and see Crimea as part of the Russian Federation (based upon the wishes of the vast majority of its citizens) and as such, completely entitled to invite anyone it chooses into their country (including Welsh brass bands).

The irony of course is we are discussing a regime that completely tolerates ethnic hatred (such as the treatment of the Romani people), that banned the Russian language in its schools (which would suggest at least a modicum of xenophobia at play) and has rehabilitated the genocidal fascist Stepan Bandera into a moderate nationalist and has passed a law that makes it illegal to show a &#039;disrespectful attitude&#039; towards the WWII Ukrainian Fascist groups the OUN and UPA - two groups that practiced &#039;ethnic hatred&#039; on a vast scale.

The fact that you see ethnic hatred and xenophobia in a comments section written by people like myself who have spent a lifetime opposing fascism, racism and the politics of extreme nationalism, may say more about your own ontology than mine or others who have written to condemn the attempts by the Ukrainian regime to suppress the sound of brass.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://off-guardian.org/2018/08/22/the-welsh-orchestra-defying-the-ukrainian-coup-regime/#comment-3627">SteveKomarnyckyj (@SteveKomarnycky)</a>.</p>
<p>Surely you mean Brits of a right wing hue, who indeed would count neo-nazis like Nick Griffin as their friend?</p>
<p>Please don&#8217;t take this as patronising, but I think you may have a fundamental misunderstanding about left-wing politics and right-wing politics.</p>
<p>Left wing politics is predicated exclusively on a class/power based understanding of the world and sees ethnic hatred and xenophobia as a function/effect of capitalism, power and control.</p>
<p>Right wing politics is slightly more complex as the spectrum takes us from the &#8216;corporatism&#8217; of Italian fascism to the race based ideology of Nazism (with extreme forms of right wing  Nationalism borrowing from both ideologies)</p>
<p>All the comments in this page are directed towards the fascist, neo-nazi and extreme nationalism of elements in the Kiev regime along with a critical view of its financial and military support by NATO and various western countries.</p>
<p>The opposition to the current Ukrainian regime (as expressed in the comments on this page) is predicated on its political structure and ideology, not upon a xenophobic analysis regarding the ethnicity of its people.</p>
<p>I imagine most of the people who have written comments view the attempt by the Ukrainian state to stop a Welsh brass band from playing in Crimea as an outbreak of the fascist mind &#8211; a complete over-reaction and see Crimea as part of the Russian Federation (based upon the wishes of the vast majority of its citizens) and as such, completely entitled to invite anyone it chooses into their country (including Welsh brass bands).</p>
<p>The irony of course is we are discussing a regime that completely tolerates ethnic hatred (such as the treatment of the Romani people), that banned the Russian language in its schools (which would suggest at least a modicum of xenophobia at play) and has rehabilitated the genocidal fascist Stepan Bandera into a moderate nationalist and has passed a law that makes it illegal to show a &#8216;disrespectful attitude&#8217; towards the WWII Ukrainian Fascist groups the OUN and UPA &#8211; two groups that practiced &#8216;ethnic hatred&#8217; on a vast scale.</p>
<p>The fact that you see ethnic hatred and xenophobia in a comments section written by people like myself who have spent a lifetime opposing fascism, racism and the politics of extreme nationalism, may say more about your own ontology than mine or others who have written to condemn the attempts by the Ukrainian regime to suppress the sound of brass.</p>
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		By: SteveKomarnyckyj (@SteveKomarnycky)		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2018 11:20:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am used to encountering ethnic hatred from Brits of a supposedly left wing hue (and their Neo Nazi friends such as Griffin) but this thread is a real showcase of xenophobic ignorance.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am used to encountering ethnic hatred from Brits of a supposedly left wing hue (and their Neo Nazi friends such as Griffin) but this thread is a real showcase of xenophobic ignorance.</p>
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		By: vexarb		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[vexarb]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2018 05:34:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Why Kiev should welcome a visit from Welsh Brass Band. By Rostislav Ishchenko in today&#039;s Saker:

&quot;Once upon a time US Presidents came to visit Kiev. At the dawn of Poroshenko’s reign the vice-president regularly came. Then the Secretary of State occasionally appeared. And now its the turn of the .. second echelon figure of the U$ administration – John Bolton, national security adviser. Moreover, since .. such guests became a rarity, Ukrainian politicians, while longingly waiting for any important guest from Washington....&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why Kiev should welcome a visit from Welsh Brass Band. By Rostislav Ishchenko in today&#8217;s Saker:</p>
<p>&#8220;Once upon a time US Presidents came to visit Kiev. At the dawn of Poroshenko’s reign the vice-president regularly came. Then the Secretary of State occasionally appeared. And now its the turn of the .. second echelon figure of the U$ administration – John Bolton, national security adviser. Moreover, since .. such guests became a rarity, Ukrainian politicians, while longingly waiting for any important guest from Washington&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Paul Harvey		</title>
		<link>https://off-guardian.org/2018/08/22/the-welsh-orchestra-defying-the-ukrainian-coup-regime/#comment-3625</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Harvey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2018 19:06:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Perhaps when they finally get the independence they deserve from the fascist regime in Kiev, the region could be renamed &#039;Donbrass&#039; - as the mere mention of a copper coloured musical instrument seems to get these vile neo-nazis in a frenzy!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps when they finally get the independence they deserve from the fascist regime in Kiev, the region could be renamed &#8216;Donbrass&#8217; &#8211; as the mere mention of a copper coloured musical instrument seems to get these vile neo-nazis in a frenzy!</p>
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		By: vexarb		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2018 14:48:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://off-guardian.org/2018/08/22/the-welsh-orchestra-defying-the-ukrainian-coup-regime/#comment-3623&quot;&gt;Paul X&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;Palmerston was eventually persuaded that Jihadi support often backfired. The Church of England pointed out that the groups being funded had only one clear interest – killing Christians wherever they found them&quot;.

Palmerston showed more intelligence than Camoron followed by St.Theresa of Westminster. Not hard.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://off-guardian.org/2018/08/22/the-welsh-orchestra-defying-the-ukrainian-coup-regime/#comment-3623">Paul X</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;Palmerston was eventually persuaded that Jihadi support often backfired. The Church of England pointed out that the groups being funded had only one clear interest – killing Christians wherever they found them&#8221;.</p>
<p>Palmerston showed more intelligence than Camoron followed by St.Theresa of Westminster. Not hard.</p>
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