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Further down the rabbit hole with Eliot, Boshirov, Petrov, his grandma & all

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UPDATED with additional links. Bellingcat today released the second part of their “investigation” into the alleged real identities of Ruslan Boshirov and Alexander Petrov, the two Russians accused of attempting to murder Sergey Skripal. We offer some preliminary thoughts and open the subject up for discussion

What is going on with the Skripal poisoning narrative?

Anyone who thinks they have a definitive answer at this point had better pause and reflect. Very little of anything is clear and nothing makes much sense.

The “official” UK story (except not really official since the government has been careful to keep its distance and its wiggle room on the details) was initially, and remains, contradictory, factually implausible and bereft of corroboration on most important details.

Almost all of the initial questions and areas of puzzlement remain unanswered and unresolved at this time. We still have no explanation for any of the following:

  • Why Russia would want to murder Skripal at all let alone by use of something as exotic and untested as this still poorly defined substance known as “Novichok”. And why they apparently would do so at a time that dovetailed perfectly with UK/US plans in Syria, including a possible false flag chemical attack in Douma as a justification for a full-scale NATO attack on Damascus
  • How the UK authorities were able to be so certain so quickly of Russian state involvement or of the source of the alleged “Novichok” used.
  • What form the alleged nerve agent was in; was it gel (on the door knob) powder/aerosol (in Skripal’s car a/c system) or liquid (in a perfume bottle)?
  • How, when or where the poison was allegedly administered.
  • How the allegedly super-deadly nerve agent (supposedly many times more deadly than VX) did not kill either of the primary targets, or any of the secondary targets, save for the woman who allegedly literally sprayed it on her own skin.
  • Where the two Skripals and DS Bailey are and why they either can’t or won’t speak to the press or appear in public. While fear (either of their “protectors” or of Russian reprisals) may be a possible reason in the case of the Skripals, it’s hard to see why this would apply to Bailey.
  • Why the timing of the alleged poisoning does not fit with the itinerary of the two alleged suspects in the case, who did not arrive in Salisbury until several hours after the nerve agent was allegedly applied to the door handle (if indeed this is the one of many versions we are supposed to assume is true).
  • Why there is no released CCTV footage placing the two suspects closer than 500 yards from Skripal’s house. No footage of them even in a road adjoining or leading directly to said house.
  • Why two alleged GRU agents would behave in any of the ways Boshirov and Petrov behaved, including leaving a visible trail of their visit and browsing Salisbury high street for vintage coins.

To date these questions remain outstanding. But late last month we were treated to the added bizarreness of Bellingcat’s entry into the fray, culminating in the second part of their “report” released today (we discuss part one HERE), replete with a presser outside parliament by the man himself – Eliot Higgins.

Bellingcat/Higgins, as we know, is a patsy; a NED-funded front for UK intel agencies, through which they siphon the information – or more often disinformation – they don’t want to be associated with directly, either because it’s too weak, corrupt or absurd, or because they want to give the info a gloss of “grassroots honesty” by putting it in the hands of a (bungling) amateur.

What Bellingcat tell us, true or false, is what the UK/NATO security forces want us to hear. And what Bellingcat is currently saying is that they “proved” Boshirov and Petrov, the two apparently hapless Russian tourists snapped wandering around Salisbury last March, are actually Chepiga and Mishkin, elite military intelligence officers.

We can wonder about Higgins’ claims of how he acquired this information. It looks pretty clear his story of “discovering” their identities is completely bogus. It involves too many unnamed sources, lucky guesses and fortuitous bits of serendipity to be plausible. Bellingcat’s clumsy MO of Googling and reverse-image searching would in all likelihood simply not be up to the task anyhow.

What looks very likely, if not glaringly obvious is that they have been handed the driver’s licence and other alleged documentation by their “anonymous sources” (whoever they are) and worked back from there to try and sell what is essentially a data-dump as a piece of investigative journalism.

But all that’s moot anyhow. A bigger question is – is the story true?

The background narrative supplied by Bellingcat and its Russian allies for these alternative IDs is contradictory. Some people in Chepiga’s home town swear Boshirov is the man. Others say no, Chepiga was bald and had a different face. The same cloudiness is true of Mishkin/Petrov. Even Bellingcat admits only one anonymous alumnus of “Mishkin’s” alleged school was prepared to say that such a person with such a name had even attended there. All the other ex-students approached by Bellingcat claimed to have no memory of him at all. There are altogether too many anonymous informants here. Too many “my friend told me his grandma had a pic of him with Putin…” type memes for anything to be solid. What it amounts to is a collection of anecdote fed by alleged documentation, some of which of looks pretty real on cursory analysis:

Some a bit more questionable:

Many potential explanations have been offered.

Are these two gormless-seeming bozos really elite military intel officers sent by Putin to off an ageing spy for reasons that seem to defy analysis?

Were they intelligence officers sent to talk to Skripal for some reason, and was Skripal poisoned to prevent the meeting taking place?

Were they there unofficially, possibly at the bidding of some rogue elements inside Russia, to poison Skripal or perform other mischief?

Were they patsies, set up to take the fall for Skripal’s intended demise?

Are they just what they say they are, a couple of tourists, and is the entire thing a collection of clumsy and not so clumsy western fakery?

Or is this, as Craig Murray’s contacts seem to suggest, all some weird shadow play by both sides? An extended game of pretend, bluff and counter bluff for reasons we can’t fathom?

Well, right now, your guess is as good as mine. We’re almost certain to be coming back to this ATL in the next days or weeks. Meantime, feel free to discuss below.

And check out this cogent summary by Neil Clark over at Sputnik.

See all our coverage of the Skripal narrative HERE


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Antonyl
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Antonyl

Lets keep one issue glass clear: Russia =/ Putin. 70% of Russians are dead poor now, and Putin and cronies are filthy rich. Putin’s friend Alisher Usmanov is now UK’s richest man…….
May should not act up with City customers to distract from her Brexit mess up.
Putin = Putin, Russia = Russia.
May = May, UK = UK, not UK = May.

BigB
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BigB

Antonyl mixes fact and fiction – again. Putin IS Russia, in a sense. The Saker (no anti-Putinist) has called it a “neo-monarchy”. VVP survives because he has the mandate of the people. Otherwise, the “Atlantic Integrationists” would have precipitated an internal snow-white ‘colour revolution’ years ago: with or without Washington’s help.

[See for instance “Searching for Russia” written for the Unz Review].

VVP inherited essentially a neo-liberal American constitution from Harvard. I don’t read Russian, so I largely accept the Saker, Helmer, PCR, and Michael Hudson’s view. There is not much he can do with it, particularly with the AZC 5th Columns against him. The Kleptocrats are still the Kleptocrats: the surviving ones still in Russia have come to an uneasy arrangement with VVP to pay there dues. That said, they still control the commanding heights of the economy and some 89% of Russia’s wealth [World Bank figures; interpret them how you will]: and capital flight is still a massive problem [around $25bn a year since 1991 [MH]: rising to $31.3bn[RCB’s own figure via Moscow Times]]. By inheritance, the Russian Federation is one of the most unequal countries in the world.

I share the Saker’s frustration that Russia does not follow its own civilisational model: and STILL appears to want to integrate with western capital. Opening up to further penetration by the $$$$ is a big mistake [see the speech PCR would have given at SPIEF this year: had he been invited]. Christine Lagarde was there on the plenary council, which should really raise alarm bells for the crypto-capitalists who posit a mythical eastern promisary alternative.

The Russian Federation is neoliberal, and I’m not sure that anyones arm is being twisted to make it so. Even the Saker has reluctantly avered “Putin is a neoliberal”. So where does the crypto-capitalist alternative to neoliberalism come from?

Yes, the Russian people are better off …for now. What happens after VVP? How are the Russian people being served by capital integration with the ‘West’? I agree, VVP would have to engage in a Stalinist pogrom to erase a whole class of entitled people …and he is no Stalin.

So, I do not know the answer (a Marxist-Humanist ‘2017’ doesn’t seem to be on the cards). No one does: but the Kleptocrats just have to bide their time. Calling them “Putin’s Cronies” (largely on the basis of the US Treasury hitlist) seems an incredibly cruel distortion …but that’s the AZC take.

As for Usmanov:
http://johnhelmer.net/the-man-who-wasnt-there-president-putin-has-not-met-alisher-usmanov-ever/

Mulga Mumblebrain
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Mulga Mumblebrain

As we all know, the Soviet Union was looted by a cabal of oligarch parasites, almost all of whom were Jews. This was, of course, denied for a time, with ritual screechings of ‘antisemitism’, but then the Zionazi propaganda shifted to boasting of Jewish ‘business acumen’ forged by years of Soviet ‘antisemitism’. Theft, corruption and fraud became ‘business acumen’. The economic policies that allowed this looting, that devastated tens of millions of lives, was crafted by the Jewish US economist, Jeffrey Sachs, and a gang of mostly Jewish economists from Harvard. And as we see from our resident Zionazi, the Zionazis would just love to feast on the Russian state and society yet again. The standard of living of Russians today is vastly better than it was under the drunken Quisling Yeltsin, as the Jewish oligarchs looted the country.

mark
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mark

7 Jewish oligarchs controlled 70% of the wealth of Russia until they were sorted out by Putin. Khordokovsky, Berezovsky, Abramovich, etc most of whom fled with the loot to Israel or the UK, the money laundering capital of the world.

Antonia
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Antonia

And of course under Yeltsin, the Russian people were rolling in money!!

Of course the people in UK are not dying in the streets of hunger under this Tory Government. While Ministers and the elite are rolling it.

manfromatlan
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Final word on Eliot: https://twitter.com/manfromatlan/status/809119730367889408 where I said the Bana El Abed account ‘purported’ to be from Aleppo so Higgy decloaked and quoted his own article as evidence 🙂
My reply: “all you ‘prove’ is #BanaAlabed lived Aleppo once. BTW, Periscope video doesn’t work on 3G networks https://www.techzim.co.zw/2015/06/tried-live-streaming-periscope-heres-experience/ though I think it was posting his links to Fancy Bear/Ukraine Intelligence that earned me a block.

Matt's Mom
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Matt's Mom

Matt has asked me to say he can’t come out to play today because he isn’t feeling well, and not because he doesn’t feel brave enough to try to defend the latest pile of cowpats Bellingcat has produced.

sincerely

his mom

Jo
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Jo

How does one obtain a copy scan of a passport for example…they must be being fed all this stuff to create this fable to promulgate the agenda from hidden sources that seemed determined to take us down a road of conflict. a third person being named today …cooperation with “respected”Fontanka website…admission today of an investigative unit in Russia called “conflict intelligence team…”. are there any persons out there who can use the methods they have to unravel this charade?
Who the heck really is Fontanka and this other just announced group…who are the goons that were protecting B. when Graham Phillips tried to confront B. at a public presentation?

Do we not have or know of enough experienced I.T. people who can try to duplicate methods they use to check whether they are using real ones….or expose a false methodology …and even expose more truths who these investigative agents being claimed as legitimate are? Even becoming aware of blockages of “corroborative methods ” being used by truly independant investigators could expose who is really using them…protecting them…fabricating all this stuff.Surely? Amazing work is being done trying to debunk and check stuff….perhaps we need similar funding to B to commission a real investigation….probably more money than the 10m spent so far on uk police investigation….which seems amazing considering they cannot produce this B stuff…which means much much more is being funded by those agencies determined to push this agenda….now that is scary. Reading today usa and nato is very very concerned that european and ukraine infrastructure is not consistent and harmonised to enable instant blitzkreig by usa-nato forces “defending us” being transportable to Russian borders…. civil airports cannot all take giant transporter planes.. rail and road bridges and tunnels have different sizes and weight limits as well as different rail gauges…..usa is going to set up legislation for punishing europe for still using russian gas not usa lng because usa thinks it knows better than our poor deluded european minds……one day where is this going to end?

flamingosarepink
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flamingosarepink

Good morning all. I have posted this at blogmire and wish to to make the same point here. In an effort to condense this mystery into a more tangible form for our open source inquiry and to counter the other claimant to same method : blundercat.

I say that we have only one demand: that all Salisbury cctv hours of the 3,4,5 March be released to the world so that the entire open source people interested in this topic can analyse and hypothesize. A sort of open source jury, defense or prosecution case sort of thing.

Release the entire Salisbury cctv collection

so that we can assist the police who have seriously asked for public help,
so that we can open source analysis world wide and bring a broad view of evidence and interpretation to the public consideration,
so that innocent persons dragged in to the crude accusation circle can be exonerated or at lest capable of responding outside of the star chamber established by blundercat and MI5 and its mates,
so that we the humans on this earth can affirm the essential justice of ‘innocent until proven guilty’
so that we can perhaps establish a case for prosecuting blundercat for conspiracy to subvert the course of justice,
so that the public can restore confidence in the UK state that has worked so deviously to undermine the credibility of its Queen,
so that we can establish a place where the two primary victims Sergei and Yulia, can be given safety to speak again and recover their freedom from the incarceration of vanishment,
so that Sergei and Perhaps Yulia can be free to assist the world to defuse this situation and come back somewhat from the brink of belligerent state confrontation,
so we can establish a place where the second set of victims can be adequately considered and some posthumous justice found for Dawn,
so that we can shed a powerful light on chemical weapons development and the fools errand that goes with it.

I am sure there are many of you willing to expand but first: release all the Salisbury cctv hours for 3, 4, 5 March 2018.

白矛
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I’m surprised nobody’s made a Ukraine connection somewhere in all this nonsense.. Or have they? See Galloway ;>

David Macilwain
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Our friends at Bellincat have made the Ukraine connection today! In this “ABC exclusive” a Dutch Bellingcat agent explains how the Russians “caught” in the Hague had infiltrated the MH17 enquiry team in Malaysia, and persuaded them to change their mind, as they now state that they aren’t convinced a Russian BUK shot down the plane. (perhaps they just listened to the Russian ministry report on the identification of the missile..)
But we shouldn’t underestimate this threat; MI6/CIA/Mossad has devised this way to twist the evidence over MH17, now that we have also been informed that “Mishkin and Chepiga” were awarded honours for their actions in Ukraine…

Jen
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Jen

Higgins sources for the disinformation he spouts about Boshirov and Petrov may well be directly or indirectly connected to Ukrainians or people in the Ukrainian diaspora in North America. Does anyone know if Higgins is able to read Russian or Ukrainian, or can recognise Cyrillic letters?

Paolo
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Paolo

I still can’t get into Craig Murrays website, it appears for a fraction of a second to be replaced by a white screen. Anyone else having this problem?

RealPeter
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RealPeter

No problem to access Craig Murray (I have it bookmarked).

For the last three months, I was unable to access off-g, however, but it seems to have been a problem with my home computer’s decrepit operating system, which has now been updated and lo-and-behold off-g is back.

I don’t use FB.

Vaska
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Just checked. Accessible in Canada.

Royd
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Royd

I can get in to his website but I have to search for it. It no longer shows on my Fb newsfeed as it once did.

johnplatinumgoss
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We should all ignore the Bellingtwat nonsense like Russia is doing. How can anyone take it seriously with so many holes? Real state murders (and murder attempts) are rarely solved within days and though Theresa May and Boris Johnson knew from the start of the Skripal affair that Russia was behind the attempt we know nothing about the method (there have been so many stories) who the specialists were who treated the Skripals for a “poisoning” that should have affected half of Salisbury or if the Skripals are alive or dead.

I broke this story the week after the Skripals were allegedly poisoned. It would not surprise me if Russia was behind it, though I have no way of knowing. It was a real murder and not a shred of evidence about the perpetrators has been presented. Real state murderers leave no clues.

https://johnplatinumgoss.wordpress.com/2018/03/17/the-murder-of-nikolai-glushkov/

mail
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mail

No, you’re wrong, you have to believe everything unemployed underwear salesmen funded by Soros tell you without question.

L
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Some serious anomalies with Chepiga’s document. See: Salisbury Incident — Was “Novichok Killer” Driving License Photoshopped?
https://gosint.wordpress.com/2018/10/08/salisbury-incident-was-novichok-killer-driving-license-photoshopped/

manfromatlan
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Rather like the Birthers arguments viz the Obama “Birth Certificate”?

FD
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And not just the license itself. The photo appears to be photoshopped as well. My best guess is the eyes of “Boshirov” have been photoshopped into “Chepiga’s” head. Facial features don’t align at all. Not even close. And whoever did the license photoshopping forgery doesn’t understand graphic design layers at all, apparently. It wouldn’t be very difficult for your average graphic designer to make a much better forgery.

L
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Although I am not an expert, I certainly agree with your conclusion. “It wouldn’t be very difficult for your average graphic designer to make a much better forgery.” This is in itself a puzzling fact. Why such a poor job? Regards, L

Yarkob
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Yarkob

I’m sorry, if you don’t suspect that that DL has been manipulated, then I think you may need to go to specsavers..there is so much wrong with it that I am actually amazed it passed muster

Yarkob
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Yarkob

I don’t mean you,L..I meant if anyone etc

Yarkob
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Yarkob

“Matt” has been conspicuous in his absence in this thread so far. I suppose he’s been busy with all of those TV and radio appearances..

Funnily enough, I’ve been joking about “Matt” being the same person as “Craigsummers” over on MoA. He’s been pretty quiet these last two days as well..hmm..

Maybe I’m not so wide of the mark. Both of their “comments” take on a very similar format i.e as if they are cut/paste talking points or highly-scripted non-sequitur answers (usually to questions nobody has asked in that particular thread)

Obviously they’ll be using a proxy or IP masking but I’d love to see their IP traces..”Matt” says he’s “in Canada”.

I reckon he’s by the River Thames somewhere myself…

theroyalsecretinfo
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Whatever the truth we will probably never know it but I am inclined to think it involves MI6 digging up the dirt on Trump, which right now Trump is keeping up his sleeve. What gets me is the high minded righteous indignation of the UK and other Western countries against Russian spying activities and cyberwar tactics when the West is just as actively engaged in them.

L
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Indeed! Belgium — State-Owned Telecom Giant Hacked by British Intelligence on Behalf of the US
https://gosint.wordpress.com/2018/09/21/belgium-state-owned-telecom-giant-hacked-by-british-intelligence-on-behalf-of-the-us/

Robyn
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Robyn

I don’t believe a word of the UK government line on this but there’s one thing which doesn’t ring true about the two ‘tourists’. We travel a lot, and never visit an historic or cultural site without, on the morning of the proposed visit, checking that the site is actually open and accessible. This would be even more important for anyone on a two-day (flying) visit, especially in winter, and given the high price of train fares in the UK. That part of their story suggests to me that they weren’t there on a cultural visit. If they’d done these basic commonsense checks on their two mornings in London they might have decided to save time and money and instead check out the Kensington museums.

Thomas Peterson
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Thomas Peterson

Ive visited a number of such sites in other countries and I’ve never bothered checking the site is open and accessible. I just went, and in all cases they were open. Quite reasonable to me that they wouldn’t think Stonehenge would be closed no matter the weather.

Robyn
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Robyn

In decades of travel we have numerous instances of cathedrals closed for hours for weddings, funerals, graduation and other ceremonies, and sites of all kinds closed for restoration, renovation, or repairs. And a lot of places, English Heritage and National Trust included, close altogether over winter. A quick internet check prior to setting out just seems like commonsense to me.

Vaska
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Except for museum hours, which now vary from country to country, I never check about any other of the places I visit when travelling and and have never come across a church, a cathedral, etc. closed for any of the reasons you list. The only similar experience to what you describe I’ve had was with a synagogue in London, which I couldn’t enter because of a wedding that was taking place. Rather disappointing as I’d never seen the inside of a synagogue at that point.

Thomas Peterson
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Thomas Peterson

Right, but Stonehenge is just in the middle of a huge open area, isn’t it, I never considered myself actually that it would be closed due to some snowfall, sounds ridiculous

Admin
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Admin

I believe Stonehenge is now (since the 1990s?) behind some form of fencing and can be closed off if wanted. Others might be able to give better info on that

mark
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mark

Correct. It is normally fenced off and you walk round the perimeter fence. It was better in the past before they built the fence and the visitor centre and you could just touch the stones. I think a couple of days a year they have to grant full access to the site for New Age/ Druid type people on religious grounds – there was a ECHR case on it with people claiming their religious beliefs weren’t being respected.

John A
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John A

You have to pay to access Stonehenge and it is closed outside normal opening hours. The entire area is fenced off. Plus it is not within walking distance of Salisbury so you either need a car, or take the bus. My understanding is the bad weather forced the bus service to be cancelled on that day.

Thomas Peterson
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Thomas Peterson

yes I know that, but you just go there and see the stones from a distance kind of thing, that’s what we did when we were there

popp12
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popp12

I also think that those two are not really tourists and I also think they either came to Salisbury on behalf of rogue elements within Russia (and foreign intelligence services) or on behalf of Russia to meet up with Skripal. But the Novichok story? No, not buying that.

isabellainecuador
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I couldn’t care less. The truth of this is becoming clearer by the day, that it’s just a UK Government Secret Services [i.e. SS] distraction game. I have no interest in being played by a load of PR distractors. It always was a load of crap, and the UK can keep it.

Robbobbobin
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Robbobbobin

“Learn how your comment data is processed.”

Interesting link. Could also be expressed as “Learn how we’ve realized how to filter commenting visitors with ‘plausible deniability’ that perfectly fits our phoney ‘no filtering’ and ‘anonymous posting’ posture”, or “Learn how we are so ignorant of basic technical webmastering that almost any reasonably competent ‘external’ agent can filter any of our commenting visitors behind our backs without our (or with our ‘plausibly deniable’) knowledge (thanks Akismet!)”, or even “Learn how we run an efficient honeypot for politically undesirable commenting visitors while appearing to be technically incapable of even running a mildly functional alt-news site (no, really Akismet – thanks so much!!!!)”.

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Admin

If we filtered comments do you think this OT abusive incoherent rant of yours would ever have made it or still be here?

We work VERY hard to run and maintain this site and to keep comments free but also free from trolling and spam. If you think you can do better start your own site and when you’re getting thousands of visitors a day and hundreds of comments, come back and show us.

Now stop diverting this thread

Robbobbobin
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Robbobbobin

My posting was quite specific: it illustrated the sort of responses that the use of WordPress sites as run by WordPress themselves (i.e. also actually ‘hosted’ by WordPress/Automattic rather than just running WordPress software on other hosting services) could reasonably elicit, given that some of WordPress’s hosting sub-systems (such as Akismet) make hijacking of WordPress/Automattic hosted site functionality by moderately competent third parties for their own purposes (such as highly-specific BTL filtering and/or visitor tracking, including even personal identification behind your backs and without your knowledge, but not confirmably so in any way that definitively exonerates you). To–hopefully–make sure that that was clear, I even replied to myself, spelling it out directly.

My comment/s had NOTHING to do with any effort you put into the site or how “free” your comment policy might be, but were SOLELY concerned with again (see below) pointing out that your choice of “web hosting” service ALONE ran a real risk (assuming your inputs to be genuine) of subverting both of those intentions, perhaps even–in this day and age of Khashoggis and Higginses–to the seriously Kamal-like detriment of one or more of your BTL correspondents.

If one of those correspondents is unaware of that, that would not be surprising in a time where Everyman Populace has been conditioned by disingenuous multi-billionaires to assume that the giant commercial infrastructure of the “information superhighway” has been put in place solely to convey imagery of their latest dunked donut around the world in fully uncensored, over-coloured, high definition, but–in the same world where there is a plethora of web hosting services that offer WordPress utility without Automattic’s accompanying bottom feeding for crumbs from the corporate table, some of them for just as “free”, though not as in “beer”–a fractious response by an intentional facilitator of such easy communication, especially the sort of communication that some might perceive as more subversive than pictures of plebian breakfast cakes with holes, could be viewed as less than appropriate.

Incidentally, you are the second person in my long life to suggest that I set up my own site: the first of generous intent in private correspondence by the remarkably foresightful Dave ‘9/12’ McGowan and the second publicly by–well–your good self. However, thanks but no thanks in either case. My milieux are public BTL (where, as it happens, I have previously suggested, in these very columns, for the above apparently but inexplicably contentious reasons, that you keep the WordPress but ditch the Automattic–and even offered, perhaps unwisely, to help in doing so with all three of effort, equipment and connectivity, after I have cleared some other commitments out of the way, hopefully by soon after the New Year–or private conversations of the antique sort that I still miss having with Dave. ATL is too heady for my little brain. I could get drunk on spiky self importance.

Robbobbobin
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Robbobbobin

In other words, if you, off-Guardian, are for real, you really need to up your web-hosting game. With friends using a platform like Automattic, a genuine dissident or group of dissidents really doesn’t need any mole-shaped enemies–Automattic is as good as holding the AGM onstage at CIA Convention plenary in itself. I’m surprised WordPress called their holding company ‘Automattic’ when ‘Automaticc is a so much more descriptive mission statement.

P.S. I see Alphabet has just pulled the plug on Google+ because they got caught out covering up the fact that their usual crap-for-programming had compromised the privacy of hundreds of thousands of users (as discovered right in the middle of the Facebook brouhaha (which was directly referred to as unfortunate timing in internal emails), haha).

vierotchka
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Here is Graham Philipps full video:

Thomas Peterson
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Thomas Peterson

“These are proper journalists and you’re annoying them”

Jo
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Jo

Who are the two stooges confronting GP …and the one besides B….???

Thomas Peterson
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Thomas Peterson

You know that ‘taxi receipt from the GRU building entrance’ supposedly seized from one of the ‘spies’ in Holland?

It looks like it has a ‘GRU stamp’ on it, i.e. it’s been submitted to accounts and authorised.

Maybe I’m a little slow, but how did that happen if this was a taxi journey to Moscow airport bound for Holland?

Robbobbobin
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Robbobbobin

Taxi all the way from Moscow to Schiphol airport in Holland. Expensive, but necessary to help them blend in. Passenger: “Me? Spy? Certainly not. Him [points at taxi driver].”

mark
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mark

Aren’t we lucky to have Bell-End Higgins to sort it all out for us?

We don’t need the CIA and the $100 billion a year “17 US Intelligence Agencies.” We don’t need all the expensive MI5/MI6/GCHQ Spooks swaning round in Aston Martins. We don’t need expensive air crash investigators and experts.
We don’t need any of them! We can disband the lot of them!! We can save a fortune!!!

Who needs them when we’ve got Bell-End?

Seagullsandwich
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Seagullsandwich

I resonate with Craig Murray’s sources, in that i feel there is a game of shadow play from both sides…

It’s always in the interest of institutions of political power to keep the masses confused and conflicted.

Behind the scenes i reckon the people who call the shots in the UK, US, Russia, Israel etc have certain carefully scripted agreements as to what they allow to play out, whilst their prime minister puppets play the roles of friends/enemies…. Happy enough for millions of their citizens to suffer, along with millions in other nations, if that’s what’s necessary to keep the masses disempowered through divisive thinking and fear.

They all serve the same master so as to maintain the world pyramid of power..

David Macilwain
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Your list of inexplicables is pretty comprehensive, yet fails to categorically debunk the UK government story as a criminal deception in which Russia played no part. Whether or not Petrov and Boshirov were somehow involved with Skripal makes no difference to the “Novichok” story, and it is this which betrays the whole conspiracy as – well a conspiracy.
The key to this is that Dawn Sturgess quite indisputably did NOT die from the effects of ANY nerve agent on her hands, Novichok or VX or Sarin, because she would have died before the ambulance reached the house. That she died a week later proves that this was from something else, and proves that the alleged perfume bottle with which she allegedly sprayed alleged Novichok on her “wrists” certainly did not contain such a toxic substance.
Anyone connected with the UK intelligence services who states that Sturgess died from Novichok poisoning is lying, and the government that accepts its advice knows this as well as the Russians know it.
As for the identity of “Chepiga” and “Mishkin”, I would draw your attention again to Elena Evdokimova’s twitter account, and the article in which her findings are discussed – “The Framing of Russia” – on AHT
https://ahtribune.com/world/europe/uk/skirpal/2519-framing-of-russia.html

Baron
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Baron

John Helmer essentially confirms that no Novichok or a nerve agent of similar potency has ever been in the public domain in the UK, the blood samples taken and sent for analysis were spiked, the two individuals on the bench (whoever they may have been) were poisoned most likely by agent Buzz (BZ).

http://johnhelmer.net/tail-wags-dog-did-the-swiss-spiez-laboratory-report-uncovered-by-russian-espionage-expose-the-opcw-british-government-in-faking-skripal-evidence/