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In Defense of ‘Conspiracy Theories’

Max Parry

Close up of “The Lee Harvey Oswald Interview” collage by Lutz Bacher from the Met Breuer’s ‘Art and Conspiracy: Everything is Connected’ exhibition

To remain innocent may also be to remain ignorant.”
John Berger, Ways of Seeing

This November 22nd marked fifty-five years since the assassination of John F. Kennedy. Perhaps no other major incident in U.S. history has generated more uncertainty and skepticism towards its official account than his Dallas killing in 1963. A 2013 Gallup poll showed that a clear majority of Americans still doubt the Warren Commission’s determination that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone as the accused sniper, with many suspecting that others in government and organized crime were involved in a secret plot to kill the president.

Although its etymological origins can be traced back further, as a cultural phenomenon the notion of belief in so-called ‘conspiracy theories’ is widely attributed to a surge in distrust of government and media institutions that followed JFK’s murder. Perhaps its only rival would be September 11th, which surveys have similarly indicated a trend of doubt towards the 9/11 Commission Report’s version of events leading up to the attacks in 2001. In other words, most people believe in a major conspiracy theory — yet they generally remain a mark of disgrace and public ridicule.

At no point in time have conspiracy theories been as stigmatized as in the wake of the 2016 U.S. election. Incidentally, what is classified as such is no longer consigned to the societal fringe or ever been more popular. It is alleged that the spreading of “fake news” on social media, featuring debunked viral conspiracies like Pizzagate, was what tipped the voting scales in Donald Trump’s favor. Or was it the very real conspiracy revealed in leaked emails published by WikiLeaks that the Democratic National Committee rigged the party primary for Hillary Clinton? We’re supposed to consider that fake news too, apparently. Regardless, what is consistently never addressed is the reasons why people turn to unofficial narratives because it would require the media to address its own negligence to hold those in power to account.

An examination of the media‘s systemic failure would draw attention to its actual role in society as a tool of mass persuasion on behalf of the ruling elite. Perhaps if the official doctrines of the over-staged Warren and 9/11 Commission Reports were not treated as articles of faith, people wouldn’t be suspicious of a rogue shadow government hidden behind such obvious dog-and-pony shows. If there is no incriminating evidence in the JFK files, why on earth is the public forbidden to see them half a century later?

Instead, it is the working class who are demonized for expressing the human need to grasp the social totality denied by a corporate-controlled media that performs the opposite of its expected function. They are left with no choice but to fill in the enormous blanks left gaping by a press in service of the status quo and a government with no transparency. It is always the people who are blamed for the media’s failure to do its job.

The same can be said across the pond or for the West in general. Look no further than a recent article in British newspaper The Guardian alleging that “60% of Britons believe in conspiracy theories.” Its definition of ‘conspiracy’ is so broad that it doesn’t simply refer to beliefs about UFOs or the moon landing, but a general distrust of institutions, official narratives and authority figures in any form.

The article then conflates Brexit voters who hold anti-immigrant views with anyone polled who believes that “the world is run by a secret global cabal of people who control events together”, and then almost comically states “the most widespread conspiracy belief in the UK, shared by 44% of people, was that ‘even though we live in what’s called a democracy, a few people will always run things in this country anyway.’”

That is to say, The Guardian regards a view generally held by most rational people with an accurate understanding of life under capitalism as a ‘conspiracy’ belief equivalent to racism. The article even concludes that “distrust of company bosses”, a feeling unsurprisingly held by three-fourths of those surveyed, falls under the label of a conspiracy view. Yes, clearly anyone who doesn’t love their oppressors is in equal standing with bigots who want to leave the EU. The world’s self declared ‘leading liberal voice’ is a guardian of power, indeed.

The term ‘conspiracy theory’ itself is a weapon. Its use is so ubiquitous that it automatically implies unconvincing improbability and worthiness of dismissal. How and when did it come to be so widely dispersed in the cultural lexicon? In the 1970s, the CIA had been the subject of numerous scandals with disclosures about its activities ranging from meddling in the affairs of sovereign countries to administering mind-control experiments on citizens in MK-ULTRA. The revelations about its clandestine influence on the press was yet another divulgence. It turns out that a likely possibility for the genesis of the phrase ‘conspiracy theory’ and its far-reaching dissemination was revealed in an important 1976 Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request by The New York Times in CIA Document 1035–960.

The dispatch showed that by the late 1960s, the spy agency was so worried about pervasive skepticism toward the Warren Commission ruling that it issued a bulletin to its elite liaisons in the press to quell subversion. Entitled “Concerning Criticism of the Warren Report”, the communique encouraged the fourth estate to discredit doubters by spreading propaganda. It specifically employed the term while stressing the need to rein in dissenting opinion among journalists and the public:

Just because of the standing of the Commissioners, efforts to impugn their rectitude and wisdom tend to cast doubt on the whole leadership of American society. Moreover, there seems to be an increasing tendency to hint that President Johnson himself, as the one person who might be said to have benefited, was in some way responsible for the assassination. Innuendo of such seriousness affects not only the individual concerned, but also the whole reputation of the American government. Our organization itself is directly involved: among other facts, we contributed information to the investigation. Conspiracy theories have frequently thrown suspicion on our organization, for example by falsely alleging that Lee Harvey Oswald worked for us. The aim of this dispatch is to provide material countering and discrediting the claims of the conspiracy theorists, so as to inhibit the circulation of such claims in other countries.

Whether or not the specific document’s usage of the label is directly attributable to its subsequent omnipresence in the cultural vocabulary is beside the point. It was yet another example of the CIA’s efforts to engineer public opinion with media bias and disinformation, ordering its recruits to “employ propaganda assets to [negate] and refute the attacks of the critics. Book reviews and feature articles are particularly appropriate for this purpose.”

Only on occasion does an event like the Kennedy assassination occur where the deep state’s savage nature is glimpsed by the public at large, if only for a brief moment. Such instances require a counterintelligence response if the majority is to stay plugged into the matrix.

The unpleasant truth is that the 35th U.S. President became so despised by the most right-wing and militarist elements in the intelligence apparatus — provoked by his perceived treachery in diplomacy toward Cuba and placation of the Soviet Union following the foreign policy disasters of the Cuban Missile Crisis and Bay of Pigs and apparent desire to deescalate the war in Vietnam — that they most likely removed him in a coup. The extent to which Kennedy was sincere in those efforts is another matter, although it was confirmed in declassified documents last year that he had rejected the proposed Operation Northwoods which would have carried out ‘false flag’ bombings in Miami to be blamed on Fidel Castro which shockingly made it all the way up the chain of command past the Joint Chiefs of Staff for approval. Why is it outlandish for people to suspect they could have done something similar on 9/11?

For Americans to learn the ugly facts behind JFK’s murder, plausibly located in the more than 15,000 documents still concealed from public view, would destroy the foundations of the national security state and the establishment it safeguards. It is on this basis that for more than half a century, corporate-owned media has stifled the multitude of admissions about the assassination brought to light, even when they’ve come from Hollywood movies. What we are witnessing today in the Russiagate fiasco with the “fake news” PSY-OP is an updated version of the CIA’s enlistment of the media following the JFK assassination to orchestrate public opinion which made the phrase ‘conspiracy theory’ a universal pejorative.

Coincidentally, currently on view at the Metropolitan Museum of Art’s Breuer satellite location in New York is the exhibition Everything is Connected: Art and Conspiracy. The show covers more than fifty-years of artists working in painting, sculpture, photography, collage, video and installations addressing a variety of themes ranging from secret torture at CIA black-sites to COINTELPRO to Henry Kissinger’s role in ‘the first 9/11’, the September 1973 coup in Chile which ousted Salvador Allende and installed Augusto Pinochet and Milton Friedman’s Chicago Boys. There are many provocative pieces in the show, such as a Calder-like sculpture of Iraqi oil fields exploring imperialism to an abstract painting suggesting that the WTC towers could have been destroyed by controlled demolition using planted super-thermite explosives.

The timing of such an exposition immediately prompts curiosity. One would assume that the Met was capitalizing on the unprecedented popularity of conspiracies with the “fake news” phenomenon surrounding the Trump presidency, but apparently the lead curator conceived of the show concept a decade prior. Nevertheless, for one of the biggest and wealthiest museums in the world founded by robber barons to permit such a showcase still required a selling point which came in the form of its marketability to satisfy the public’s palate for kitsch. Leaving that aside, however, the content of the exhibit is admittedly of bona fide quality, featuring everything from Black Panther graphic designer Emory Douglas to the late conceptual artist Mike Kelley.

The Kennedy assassination is featured heavily as a spectral motif and the first pieces visitors encounter are two striking neon-colored paintings of Lee Harvey Oswald and his assassin, Jack Ruby, by New York-based artist Wayne Gonzales which sets an ominous tone. Although the individual works of the inspired show are of high caliber, its main shortcoming is the sensationalized presentation. Despite seemingly authentic intentions, it inevitably institutionalizes the idea that when two-thirds of Americans reject the official story of a Kennedy assassination or 9/11, it is ultimately still just a ‘conspiracy.’ Although the exhibit itself is not as culpable as the surrounding cultural context in which it has appeared, it ultimately reifies that what is construed as hypothetical and imaginary conjecture (in the case of the JFK assassination a legitimate consensus) only merits attention as something tacky or niche to be appreciated ironically.

Close-up of “Peach Oswald” by Wayne Gonzales, acrylic on canvas, 2001.

This is particularly advantageous to the establishment at the present moment which is relentlessly selling the naïve idea that we are now living in a “post-truth” era, as if prior to the Trump administration we were in a glory age of ‘truth.’ In order for art to portray such subject matter and be given a platform, it cannot avoid being allocated as novelty of unrefined taste by such a powerful institution. A podcast interview with the gallery curators revealed that one of the artists featured in the show, Hans Haacke, had to earn their trust as he was hesitant to participate in the show because he didn’t wish his work “to be associated with fiction.”

Perhaps for related reasons, the curators refreshingly chose to omit the term ‘theory’ from the title while providing a thorough investigation of such themes by artists which reveal what they describe as “conspiracies that turned out not be theories at all, but truths.”

While everyone is aware of the intimate relationship between the art world and the ultra-wealthy benefactors of its museums, less familiar is its history with the CIA. As part of its psychological warfare during the Cold War, the agency spent millions promoting Modern Art, particularly the Abstract Expressionists like Jackson Pollock and Willem de Kooning, a fact only briefly mentioned by the gallery text of the exhibit.

The CIA saw the aesthetic individualism and free form style of Abstract Expressionism as emblematic of Western values of ‘freedom of expression’ in antithesis to the socialist realism of the Soviet Union. The CIA provided covert financial support through the establishment of phony foundations with innocuous names that secretly subsidized exhibitions. The primary front organization was the Congress for Cultural Freedom (CCF) whose leading operative was CIA officer Thomas Braden. Braden was even selected as the executive secretary of the Museum of Modern Art (MoMA) in New York by Nelson Rockefeller as he oversaw the CIA’s hush-hush cultural activities in the CCF. He would later go on to become a columnist and co-host of CNN’s Crossfire.

Tom Braden, CIA spy and MoMA executive secretary.

The CIA did not just work stringently to relegate leeriness of its activities under a catch-all misnomer at the low brow level. The Congress for Cultural Freedom’s ideological weaponry even extended to the level of high intellectual theory for its gatekeeping. The CCF and other front groups like the Farfield Foundation secretly sponsored literary magazines such as Commentary and The Paris Review as an effort to redirect the sympathies of the non-communist left in the West away from the Soviet Union toward liberal democracy. Another literary publication that received undercover sponsoring from the CCF was the British-based Encounter magazine, founded by the essayist and intellectual Irving Kristol who later became the “godfather of neo-conservatism” and real life father of ultra-hawk pundit Bill Kristol of The Weekly Standard.

During the 1930s, as a college student Irving Kristol was a member of the New York Intellectuals, a group of Jewish literary critics and writers who mostly were Trotskyists that embraced left-wing politics but were staunchly opposed to the Soviet Union under Stalin. These included prominent figures such as Isaiah Berlin, Irving Howe and Hannah Arendt who overtime moved to the center and became liberals, or in the case of Kristol eventually further to arch-conservatism.

The intellectual voyage from Trotskyism to neoconservatism was a common thread throughout the 20th century, from David Horowitz to the late Christopher Hitchens. Irving Kristol and his intellectual circle were funded by the CIA in order to influence the political leanings of their cohorts in the European left to move toward liberal democracy and away from communism which fractured the left as a whole. To great effect, this split coalitions between social democratic and communist parties across Europe. If European leftists weren’t swayed by the CIA-sponsored intelligentsia, they were likely discouraged from holding any remaining Soviet sympathies by the ‘false flag’ terrorist attacks carried out during Operation Gladio in NATO-member countries by recruited fascist paramilitaries which were falsely blamed on communist organizations to tarnish their reputations.

BBC documentary on Operation Gladio (1992):

Along with the FBI’s COINTELPRO program, the consequences of the CIA’s clandestine activities from the arts to the intelligentsia can be seen in the dominant pseudo-left of today which has further degenerated into excessive preoccupation with toothless reformism and fetishization of gender and race-based identity politics. If the current generation of resolute Marxists are looking to place blame for the dominance of incrementalist politics emphasizing gradual change through existing institutions that has infected the entire left, they shouldn’t be shocked to learn much of it lands on the world’s most powerful spy agency during the Cold War.

The CIA wasn’t just in the business of overthrowing democratic leaders of third world nations for Western business interests but equally engaged in cloak-and-dagger cultural operations which successfully altered the focus of leftist politics away from transformative anti-capitalist positions toward centrist liberal stances. To this day, the reverberations of these PSY-OPs can be felt in the contemporary left’s neglect and obfuscation of issues like imperialism and the class struggle. Without knowing this history, one can only have a vague understanding of how the left came to be what it is at present. The military-intelligence complex’s manipulation of the art world is incontrovertible fact, not a fanciful story, and it was just one element of a larger cultural campaign to splinter the Western left.

Michael Parenti on being called a “conspiracy theorist.”:

As the exhibit aptly points out, often what are designated as conspiracy theories in bygone times become indisputable facts years later. If there is now an abundant market for misinformation online exploiting the appetite of a public disillusioned by establishment media in desperate search of an alternative, the presstitutes only have themselves to blame. Claims on the right-wing margins about school shootings being hoaxes will never even begin to approach the irreparable damage done by every major news outlet in the country selling the lies of the Bush administration that Saddam Hussein had Weapons of Mass Destruction to go to war in Iraq, not just to the millions of human lives lost but the trust of the masses in the mass media orthodoxy.

The same can be said about their unwillingness to truly investigate the Kennedy assassination and 9/11. Following the 2016 election, the censorship campaign by social network giants against alternative media under the banner of stopping the spread of “fake news” can be seen as confirmation of the effectiveness of real independent journalism and it’s growing audience. Otherwise, it would not provoke such suppression. This development can either disenchant those hungry for the truth or be interpreted as a positive sign for the future, that people are starting to resist drinking the kool-aid— for now let’s choose the latter.

Everything is Connected: Art and Conspiracy is on view at the Met Breuer until January 6th, 2019.

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Chris Friel (@ChrisFriel7)
Chris Friel (@ChrisFriel7)
Jan 14, 2019 12:45 PM
Chris Friel (@ChrisFriel7)
Chris Friel (@ChrisFriel7)
Jan 14, 2019 12:47 PM

and my own “conspiracy theory” about @GnasherJew:
https://www.academia.edu/38139484/The_Mendacity_of_Gnasher_Jew

harry stotle
harry stotle
Dec 9, 2018 9:30 PM

The problem with conspiracy theories is that people get carried away with them.
Take the claim that our MSM would sink so low as to falsely tarnish any leader not prepared to swear life long allegiance to neoliberalism.

Next, somebody will be trying to convince us that ‘charities’ like The Institute for Statecraft (under the guise of their ‘Integrity Initiative’) has been funded with £2 million of Foreign Office cash and run by British military intelligence so as to mobilise public opinion against Jeremy ‘Mr Antisemitism’ Corbyn.
https://www.rt.com/uk/446025-anti-russia-organization-targets-corbyn/

No wonder conspiracy theorists end up with such a bad rep’ – paranoid nutters the lot of them.

balkydj
balkydj
Dec 9, 2018 1:51 PM

“You are either with us or against us … ” Simples 🙂 Thanks George, for making Balky’s & the majority’s reactions , decisions & conclusions so unequivocally simple to interpret & evaluate >>> the Buck stopped with the Bush’s pre-orchestrated Corporate Belligerence , Avarice & Megalomania , from 9/11 2001 onwards , all was abundantly clear for the public to comprehend, let alone insiders . . . After Chilcot’s Report , nobody should be in any doubt and certainly no Judge >>> No more theory, pure unadulterated CONSPIRACY 😉 Stop mincing words 😉 And any politician who signs up for the official version of what occurred on the 11th September 2001 , will NEVER be accepted by any rational, credible people , as capable or worthy of serious consideration. Fortunately , the Deep State over-cooked their Goose and ended up with Mon’Guccifer 2:0 😉 Thanks for stopping the Buck, George… Read more »

Thomas Prentice
Thomas Prentice
Dec 7, 2018 12:50 PM

After viewing Pt 1 of the BBC Gladio documentary, I am wondering if Americans are asking the wrong questions about JFK and the other assassinations, 9/11 and the rest. Was a ‘stay behinds” network organized in the US? If not, is the NRA and are other ‘gun nuts’ the de facto ‘stay behinds’ of the US? In what ways are the police, FBI, NSA spying, Pentagon weaponization of the local police, Israelification of the local police a de facto creation of ‘stay behinds’ in the certain event of collapse of the US capitalist fake economy with resulting mass discontent? Are the Israelis operating as ‘stay behind’ agitators in far-flung countriesfrom Argentina to Myanmar? Interesting that the attempted assassination of the leader of the Christian Democrats in a tight 1948 Italian election was described in the press as having been done by a “madman” (cue Lone Gunman Excuses) and created sympathy… Read more »

Thomas Prentice
Thomas Prentice
Dec 7, 2018 11:52 AM

Indeed, this is the first I have heard about Operation Gladio. Perhaps it was buried under Old Bush’s warmongering against Iraq?

Thomas Prentice
Thomas Prentice
Dec 7, 2018 11:43 AM

The BBC report on Operation Gladio — and the various Walter Cronkite / Dan Rather investigative reports over the decades — confirms my view that, while they were always capitalist empire media, at times — a lot of the time — they engaged in authentic journalism. Indeed, it is confounding to view bbc or cbs or the new york times these days and reconcile it/them with their former august realities. Same with the Manchester Guardian. When Howard Dean came through Texas on his ill-fated 2003-2004 campaign for president, he drew cheers for noting that ‘most Democrats I talk to aren’t as mad at Bush-Cheney as they are mad at the Washington Democrats for not fighting Bush-Cheney.’ Today, especially as a journalist, I am not as mad at the neoliberal / neocon Democrats (let alone the right wing fascist Republicans) as I am mad at the NOT-journalism corporate media talking heads… Read more »

Thomas Prentice
Thomas Prentice
Dec 7, 2018 11:26 AM

There was always something about ‘modern art’ that struck me as suspicious.

Thomas Prentice
Thomas Prentice
Dec 7, 2018 11:23 AM

I recall watching Tom Braden on cnn’s Crossfire and rooting for him against the bad guys. Now to find out he is the pluperfect of bad guys is yet One More Betrayal.

One cannot trust ANYTHING or ANYONE from or among elites in this Western Christian Capitalist Puritan Empire War Civilization. NOBODY!

All these closet CIA agents is just astonishing.

mark
mark
Dec 5, 2018 10:01 PM

Deep State mouthpieces like Aaronovitch have been tasked to demonise as “conspiracy theorists” anyone who challenges obviously ludicrous and threadbare official narratives.

Given the shenanigans of the spook agencies, it is virtually certain that a lot of the lizard people and space aliens type stories are the work of planted infiltrators and troublemakers.

milosevic
milosevic
Dec 6, 2018 11:09 PM
Reply to  mark

The Controllers — A New Hypothesis of Alien Abductions Both Believer and Skeptic, in my opinion, miss the real story. Both make the same mistake: They connect the abduction phenomenon to the forty-year history of UFO sightings, and they apply their prejudices about the latter to the controversy about the former. At first, the link seems natural. Shouldn’t our thoughts about UFOs color our thoughts about UFO abductions? No. They may well be separate issues. Or, rather, they are connected only in this: The myth of the UFO has provided an effective cover story for an entirely different sort of mystery. Remove yourself from the Believer/Skeptic dialectic, and you will see the third alternative. As we examine this alternative, we will, of necessity, stray far from the saucers. We must turn our face from the paranormal and concentrate on the occult — if, by “occult,” we mean secret. I posit… Read more »

frank
frank
Dec 9, 2018 1:46 AM
Reply to  Editor

“The ‘alien abduction’ mythology is older than the CIA.”

1) That is beside the point even if true.
2) Fairies & Old Hags are not the same as aliens.

systemicfraud
systemicfraud
Dec 5, 2018 9:07 PM

What if I told you that by 1960 CIA had infiltrated other branches of the US military, intelligence and law enforcement?

What if I told you CIA infiltrated the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, too?

My source is a former member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff–a man with 23 military commendations/medals.

Antonym
Antonym
Dec 9, 2018 3:26 PM
Reply to  systemicfraud

Col. Fletcher Prouty was as solid there as he was about the deliberately disabled U2 flight to stall US- USSR détente between Khrushchev and Eisenhower in 1960 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ookITg_u0uc

JFK’s willingness pronounced in the UN to combine manned Moon flight with the USSR was also against that persistent US cabal’s wishes.
Nothing much changed till today in that game, including their grip on the MSN, except that foul play is now exposed on the Internet and theoretically accessible to billions.

Jay-Q
Jay-Q
Dec 5, 2018 8:25 PM

Excellent article. I absolutely hate the Guardian these days. Their approach is sanctimonious, preachy double-think. They use the ‘conspiracy theory’ angle exactly how good old Mockingbird publications are meant to – to discredit anybody who dares venture beyond the confines of a very narrow band of mainstream thought. Personally, I think their website layout is excellent and this in particular is probably part of the reason why so many still visit it. However, their content is truly dreadful, so it surprises me that it remains popular. Saying that, they open comments sections on only certain articles – normally nonsense issues, sport, films, etc – and rely heavily on opinionated pieces that contain very little journalism at all. They have become a truly pro neo-liberal, pro-war, pro status-quo operation. If ever there was a conspiracy to expose it would be the orchestration of the MSM in their unified propaganda regarding the… Read more »

harry stotle
harry stotle
Dec 5, 2018 6:46 PM

There might fewer ‘conspiracy theories’ if we had even a smidgeon of trust in what our leaders say, but of course only the terminally gullible believe half of the crap they come out with. Take David Kelly, the arms inspector who gave perhaps the first glimmer tinto the fact the Iraq bloodbath was based on a pack of lies. After his death and without knowing why Blair immediately phonesd Falconer from the other side of the world to set up an investigative mechanism that was bound to prevent proper scrutiny of the mysterious circumstances surrounding his death. Incredibly within the first few hours of Kelly’s body being discovered Falconer (Blair’s former flat-mate) was invoking a seldom heard of section from the 1988 Coroners Act (section 17A) a manouvre negating the traditional role of the coroner. Yet Section17 was a mechanism set up to deal with multiple casualties so that after… Read more »

Jay-Q
Jay-Q
Dec 5, 2018 8:28 PM
Reply to  harry stotle

Brilliant comment, thanks.

harry stotle
harry stotle
Dec 6, 2018 9:50 AM
Reply to  Jay-Q

Thanks for the kind words, Jay-Q but it is the work done by real investigative journalists that really deserve our thanks (in this case based on the analysis by Miles Goslett in ‘David Kelly: An inconvenient death’)

Off-G of course belong to the same pantheon – culteral or political commentators who are not afraid to ask hard questions, and have not decided in advance what the answers should be.

Joerg
Joerg
Dec 5, 2018 5:11 PM

Here an excellent “Conspiracy Theory” – or betteer: “Conspiracy Proof” by James Corbett:
“THE WWI CONSPIRACY” – https://www.corbettreport.com/wwi/ (3 Videos and more)

King Kong
King Kong
Dec 5, 2018 5:04 PM

Forgot: Criminally insane. They are actually prevalent.
Sorry .
Will not happen again.

King Kong
King Kong
Dec 5, 2018 5:01 PM

A title like this piece has, serves as a full moon to all the nutters. The nutters, whose spectacular and ludicrous claims actually serves as a nutter label to smack on very suspicious coincidences and incidents. Which indeed is a shame. The declassifying of CIA and other documents, should make a democratic minded person shiver with fear, the methods devised and the complete lack of any empathy, mark these people as utter sociopaths. False Flags, Fake news, disinformation and propaganda are real, as are assassinations, terror, drug running, proxy wars and smear campaigns.
But known facts are too often put in the sack with the loonies. (Lizard people, UFO abductions etc)
All these loonies are mostly prevalent in the US, who coincidentally abolished Asylums in the 70 ties, so the mentally ill are now running amok in the US. Who would have guessed ?

milosevic
milosevic
Dec 6, 2018 11:29 PM
Reply to  King Kong

The declassifying of CIA and other documents, should make a democratic minded person shiver with fear, the methods devised and the complete lack of any empathy, mark these people as utter sociopaths. False Flags, Fake news, disinformation and propaganda are real, as are assassinations, terror, drug running, proxy wars and smear campaigns. But known facts are too often put in the sack with the loonies. (Lizard people, UFO abductions etc)

see above for a unified theory of the CIA, disinformation, terror, loonies, lizard people, and UFO abductions:

https://off-guardian.org/2018/12/05/in-defense-of-conspiracy-theories/#comment-140166

RetroSpin
RetroSpin
Dec 5, 2018 4:39 PM

Before you click on Loverat’s link to Huffpost, make up your mind to read very carefully the “consent” box that comes up and blocks you from reading. They demand that you consent to their downloading everything they want from your computer, and uploading everything they want to into your computer. The hubris is breathtaking, and outrageous! No one should ever go to Huffpost, ever again, unless and until they delete that demand, and even then no one should go there unless and until they begin printing a few truthful articles from time to time.

wardropper
wardropper
Dec 5, 2018 5:54 PM
Reply to  RetroSpin

HuffPo has certainly changed a lot since I first read it many years ago. When its owner sold it, one knew right away that negative consequences were inevitable.
The thing about all government corruption today is that it imagines that only a few little groups are focused on isolated fragments of this corruption, and that nobody is putting together a picture of the whole.
By now that picture has become a large, strong one in the public’s consciousness, and cannot be undermined just by going into denial about it.
People are getting pretty well informed about all sorts of things now, while continuing to watch reruns of “Friends”, “I Love Lucy” and “Bonanza” in-between.
The “Deep State”, or whatever it likes to call itself, has every reason to be alarmed, and ashamed.

zach
zach
Dec 5, 2018 3:30 PM

Orwellian times when the ‘Russiagate’ Guardian is smearing others as ‘conspiracy theorists’.

flaxgirl
flaxgirl
Dec 5, 2018 11:04 AM

Claims on the right-wing margins about school shootings being hoaxes will never even begin … Many people claim school shootings are hoaxes, not just right-wing anti-gun control people – and not just shootings but bombings, vehicle rampages and other events. What makes you so sure they aren’t hoaxes, Max? Have you looked at the events. When Sandy Hook happened in 2012 I had no clue what a false flag or staged event was. However, even though I didn’t pay much attention, tending to simply think it was a terrible tragedy, two things struck me: Adam Lanza’s face seemed very strange and I read that although the police went to Lanza’s house on a good lead that he had guns they didn’t do a search, however, no good reason was presented for them not doing a search. In retrospect, I now know that there was no such person as Adam Lanza… Read more »

Seekhelpurgently.
Seekhelpurgently.
Dec 5, 2018 1:09 PM
Reply to  flaxgirl

Seek help urgently kid. You are suffering from your great endeavour and the shock of the truth. Like a form of ptsd. It happens to highly trained people when faced with the awful horror of reality beyond the training fields. You are in a mental loop. Trapped in the calm eye of a storm of a very powerful narrative force. If you try and get out the eye through the wall by yourself you will inevitably be destroyed. For the sake of all things good including the reputations of web sites such as this, don’t let that ultimate fate be used against us. As it inevtabily will be by the PTB, if you attempt to do it by yourself and fail. Please please please seek help – from others who believe as you do even, but in person, in a group, in the open. You can share the burden of… Read more »

flaxgirl
flaxgirl
Dec 5, 2018 9:12 PM

Seekhelpurgently, Surely you should look at some evidence before making such pleas to seek help. I am an extremely prosaic, logical thinker. That is why I have set up 10-point Occam’s Razor exercises to prove what I say and I have also issued a $5,000 challenge on four events to produce an equivalent 10-point exercise favouring the opposing hypothesis … and the judging rule is that the responder can choose their own judge from a relevant profession. No one has been able to respond to the challenge, however, I know one person has really tried while I know others simply don’t bother because they have nothing at all to grab onto to support their favoured hypothesis even though they passionately believe it. The power elite who perpetrate these crimes are scrupulous in ensuring that those who believe them actually cannot find a single thing to provide as evidence to support… Read more »

mark
mark
Jan 12, 2019 6:40 PM

Yes, please seek help. Along with all those who doubt the official versions of JFK, Gulf of Tonkin, Iraq WMD, Iraq Incubator Babies, USS Liberty, 9/11, Operation Gladio, Operation Northwoods, and the existence of fairies, pixies, leprechauns and Father Christmas. People who refuse to believe these obvious truths are obviously deluded and in need of serious help.

Ross Hendry
Ross Hendry
Dec 5, 2018 2:03 PM
Reply to  flaxgirl

“— Extremely chirpy loved ones of the alleged victims.
— Signs of sloppiness such as people seeming to read from or recite a script”

Well said.

I have realised recently that the Jo Cox “assassination” was a false flag event designed to make floating voters opt for “Remain” in the referendum, which was only days away (and Remain were behind in the polls). To me it looks like a U.K. intelligence agency fake event, and the unbelievably happy relatives at the press conference surely suggests that Jo Cox did not die. Has she been given a new identity somewhere (like the Skripals maybe)?

That such skulduggery can have happened is supported by the ridiculously cack-handed management of Brexit, after the failed attempt to swing the vote, which surely suggests that the PTB would rather have had no Brexit at all.

flaxgirl
flaxgirl
Dec 5, 2018 9:22 PM
Reply to  Ross Hendry

I so appreciate your comment, Ross. I know my reasoning on these events is perfectly sane (even if my obsession with them isn’t) but I sometimes wonder because so few people believe me even though to me what I say is so self-evident and reasonable.

Yes, I forgot about Jo Cox – not that I’ve looked at the event much but I have seen a video pointing out the smiling grievers at the funeral.

I think what all these events indicate is that at some level, everyone is in it together because no country ever calls out another country (except nominally in the case of 9/11) and no leader ever calls out another leader on them either. Jeremy Corbyn does not call out Theresa May but surely he knows these events are staged (I emailed him about Manchester). They’re all in it together at some level.

flaxgirl
flaxgirl
Dec 9, 2018 5:35 AM
Reply to  Ross Hendry

There was a man in burqa at Jo Cox’s funeral – https://youtu.be/-o3CJp4jDew?t=49 which reminds me of the man in nun drag at Sandy Hook – https://youtu.be/kStVhwUyKJE?t=3m23s. How they mock us.

flaxgirl
flaxgirl
Dec 9, 2018 5:37 AM
Reply to  flaxgirl

Sorry – man in burqa link is https://youtu.be/-o3CJp4jDew?t=46

Makropulos
Makropulos
Dec 5, 2018 4:42 PM
Reply to  flaxgirl

I don’t understand this claim about hoaxes. There are so many problems with it.

First, the danger of discovery. Obviously it’s a bad idea to claim that some people are dead when they’re still alive. Or else you have to completely invent people – which would surely also be taking a big risk of discovery.

And the idea that no-one was actually harmed makes it all sound like a bit of a laugh really. Hell – our deep state isn’t that bad after all. They don’t really kill anyone.

It also sounds bizarre e.g. calling 9/11 a “hoax” rather than a fraud makes it look like a big illusion – as if it didn’t happen. This may be a way of discrediting false flag theories.

The word “truther” is also an own goal. Those who reject the official account should be called “9/11 sceptics”. “Truthers” makes them sound like nuts.

flaxgirl
flaxgirl
Dec 5, 2018 9:15 PM
Reply to  Makropulos

But Makropoulos 9/11 was a big illusion, that’s EXACTLY what it was, except for the building collapses. Otherwise it was all fake – the plane crashes and the death and injury and all the different theories they pushed out about it being a Let It Happen On Purpose event and all the rest of it. It was all an illusion except for the building crashes. You have to look at the evidence. It so very, very clear.

Makropulos
Makropulos
Dec 5, 2018 10:15 PM
Reply to  flaxgirl

You’re saying that no-one died on 9/11?

flaxgirl
flaxgirl
Dec 5, 2018 11:05 PM
Reply to  Makropulos

I’m saying that death and injury were staged but I’m not saying no one died as perhaps there were deliberate targets or a couple of people died accidentally. However, I think it’s quite possible no one died. Everyone was evacuated from the buildings before they came down. Think about it. Do you think they had the fake plane crash happen and then an hour or so later say, “OK, whoever’s evacuated now – good luck to them – the rest are goners.” Do you see how terminating the evacuation process would be quite tricky and really makes no sense? 9/11 was a massive drill comprising many smaller drills including the evacuation of the twin towers. First responders were involved in these drills – they are not going to be involved in any event where the people are genuinely killed, including themselves. It simply makes no sense. The visual record in… Read more »

Makropulos
Makropulos
Dec 7, 2018 8:31 AM
Reply to  flaxgirl

This exchange made me recall one point that really annoyed me. In the immediate aftermath of 9/11 I kept hearing about how the terrorists were incredibly “imaginative” and “perceptive” since they struck at “symbols of American wealth and power”. This played so well into the logic of defending “our values” that I suspect it was deliberately introduced as part of the propaganda. But if the terrorists were truly fanatical then they wouldn’t have been fiddling around with mere “symbols”. They would have gone for the biggest devastation imaginable. Starting the final war to destroy the planet would not have bothered them – indeed that is precisely what they would have wanted. They would have flown for the nearest nuclear power plant.

That they didn’t do this shows that whoever was behind 9/11 wanted destruction …..but not too much destruction. They wanted spectacular footage. And that’s we got.

Makropulos
Makropulos
Dec 7, 2018 8:35 AM
Reply to  Makropulos

Last line should read “And that’s what we got.”

flaxgirl
flaxgirl
Dec 8, 2018 5:01 AM
Reply to  Makropulos

Exactly and, in fact, the destruction that happened they really wanted in any case. They wanted all the buildings down. There was no sacrifice at all in this operation in relation to the perps. It was “all good” for the perps. All fantastically good for the power elite. Just bad for everyone else – even, no doubt, ultimately for many of their collaborators. Collaborators, in many cases, really puzzle me.

flaxgirl
flaxgirl
Dec 13, 2018 6:45 AM
Reply to  flaxgirl

— Alleged perpetrators having connection to intelligence agencies

https://www.rt.com/news/446221-strasbourg-shooting-suspect-terrorism/
The gunman who shot multiple victims in Strasbourg had previously been convicted and was known to French intelligence as a possible ‘security risk,’ yet managed to slip through the cracks despite tightened security across France.

“was known to” is a euphemism for “was employed by”. I mean how do so very, very many terrorists “known to” intelligence agencies manage to give them the slip? It’s a complete joke.

I just googled “was known to intelligence” and got 66,200 results!

I have to confess I haven’t looked at this event one little bit so I’m really overstepping it by calling it a hoax right off the bat. If anyone is convinced it was real, please say so in a comment.

Simon Hodges
Simon Hodges
Dec 5, 2018 10:46 AM

Proposal for the Manifesto of a Deplorable Party We the Deplorables, wish to stand for election as a government for the following reasons and with the following aims. ‘Power’ at present is currently in the throes of its own existential crisis.  The strength of this crisis is such that power has now reached a state of complete hysteria as it cannot accept the unwanted conclusions of Brexit or Donald Trump and the agony that arises when the ‘powerful’ realise that despite their assumption of ‘power’, and all the incredible array and daily barrage of ‘forces’ that were deployed in Brexit – via project economic fear which was deployed alongside project racial slur in trying to control the masses – they were inevitably confronted by the now historically documented and electorally measured social reality that the masses were simply not available for their control.    So power’s hysterical reaction to the… Read more »

balkydj
balkydj
Dec 10, 2018 7:59 AM
Reply to  Simon Hodges

Yoyoyo , Balky learns summit’ new everyday >>>

Balky never knew he was so Deplorable, truthfully speaking 😉

What a relief . . . 🙂

Cherrycoke
Cherrycoke
Dec 5, 2018 10:30 AM

The Gladio documentary is essential, but note that the person in the still frame is Oswald LeWinter, a poet, Shakespeare expert and disinformant of the highest order. LeWinter spread lies, half-truths and truths with regard to Operation CHAOS, the October Surprise, the death of Princess Diana, the terror attack in Bologna, the assassination of Olof Palme, got involved in the Manson case, and turned up in Allan Francovich’s Gladio and Lockerbie documentaries.

Also, the Integrity Initiative seems to be of relevance here:

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/11/british-government-behind-secret-anti-russian-disinformation-campaign.html#more

Loverat
Loverat
Dec 5, 2018 10:24 AM

“It is alleged that the spreading of “fake news” on social media, featuring debunked viral conspiracies like Pizzagate, was what tipped the voting scales in Donald Trump’s favor” I remember reading quite a bit about Pizzagate. Alot of it was based around some of the Podesta emails, some establishments in Washington and various other information. But I can’t actually recall where it was debunked. I know some sites featured this theory and after it died down a bit gradually disappeared off the internet. I remember BBC and others saying it had been ‘debunked’ but took that with a pinch of salt. At the time I thought that although bits of it could be dismissed (and this seemed to be the sole basis for people saying it was not credible) there seemed alot of circumstantial evidence which at least warranted an investigation. It was also the first time I heard the… Read more »

BigB
BigB
Dec 5, 2018 12:19 PM
Reply to  Loverat

@Loverat

So would I. I think it was safe to say it was purged from the internet; sites demonetised, people discredited, false flag shooting. The ‘citizen journalists’ also hit self-destruct by ‘identifying’ John and Tony Podesta as Madeleine McCann’s abductors …which was an obvious, and perhaps deliberately infiltrated, discreditation. (Even Alex Jones did a very public volte face – at midnight: under duress?)

But the emails? They were never debunked that I know of. Nor where they denied: and they make no sense in ordinary language terms. And they give at least some credence to a pattern of elite deviance that goes all the way back, past Franklin (implicating the eulogised ‘saint’ who just died: Bush the greater evil in a ‘carefully crafted hoax’). So no, not debunked – purged from the collective psyche …which are obviously not the same thing. Which makes me ever more suspicious.

Loverat
Loverat
Dec 5, 2018 1:13 PM
Reply to  BigB

Thanks BigB Yes, it’s all coming back to me now. I remember the McCann connection and some guy supposedly going into one of the named establishments threatening the staff. This was when some of the mainstream publications (BBC, Washington Post) first began reporting it as debunked. It seemed as if someone was trying to deflect attention away from the parts which seemed credible. And looking at recent tactics used in smearing academics as ‘conspiracy theorists’ it all seems so familiar. No substance in the ‘debunking’ – just misdirection. Prof Piers Robinson, a university professor specialising in propaganda, the latest one to be smeared – this time by Huff Post. Quite ridiculous because out of all the experts and independent commentators offering an alternative narrative, he is one of the most measured, polite in debate and sets out the facts carefully rather than jumping to conclusions. Here’s the latest smear piece… Read more »

BigB
BigB
Dec 5, 2018 1:56 PM
Reply to  Loverat

I follow Piers Robinson; Tim Hayward, Paul Mckeigue, mainly for the Syria Group academic study (I fear for their tenures too!) [Interestingly, I just wanted to check the spellings using a well known search engine (Bing – which searches Google) …and they do not exist. I had to switch to Yandex].

I’m not quite at the point of inversion, everything ‘they’ say has to be turned on its head. Nor am I quite at the point that if it is shut down, it must be true …but neither am I too far from such an automatic processing.

As for Higgins, I was not sure who shot down MH-17 …but he swung it for me. Thanks, Elliot!

flaxgirl
flaxgirl
Dec 6, 2018 12:54 PM
Reply to  Loverat

I think the term fake news may have slightly predated Pizzagate but perhaps it didn’t. It was never debunked. You see an interview between Podesta and a journalist where Podesta says it was “debunked” a number of times but doesn’t say how. Of course, the media have never asked him what the words really meant if they weren’t connected to children. That would have been the easiest thing to do to debunk the emails – explain what the words referred to – but – what a surprise – no one has ever asked. No journalist has ever asked the elephant-in-the-room question. It seems that the police/media link the Podesta brothers to the McCann case and you wonder if they are actually telling us they really are connected or what. Drawings that closely resemble the Podesta brothers were released as E-fits (Electronic Facial Identification Technique) in relation to the disappearance of… Read more »

flaxgirl
flaxgirl
Dec 6, 2018 9:02 PM
Reply to  flaxgirl

Just to add. I forget who said it but someone said that the paintings of children showing signs of abuse on Tony Podesta’s walls are not “made up” but show clear signs of being from photos of children in the situations depicted. (And really even if they were “made up” what on earth are they doing on his walls?) Fiona Barnett, an Australian woman, who, as a child, was hired out to an international VIP pedophile network by her step-grandfather says that a carpenter she met told her he saw images of “kiddie porn” on the walls of the house of Bruce Spence, a NZ/Australian actor who was in this network. These people have no shame whatsoever about their utterly criminal and disgusting activities.

frank
frank
Dec 5, 2018 11:40 PM
Reply to  Loverat

It was never debunked. But a lot of wild claims about it were made, which were debunked.
I never looked into it deeply, but this documentary gives a good summary:

#PizzaGate / #PedoGate – The UnAnswered Questions Documentary – Part 1
#PizzaGate / #PedoGate – The UnAnswered Questions Documentary – Part 2

(Unfortunately this documentary is extremely long winded and could have been improved. Also the author Titus Frost is (or has become) controlled opposition. Don’t trust this guy. But his documentary really is just a long list of everything that was discovered and you can make up your own mind.)

it’s pretty mind blowing though, this documentary, all things considered.

Antonym
Antonym
Dec 5, 2018 8:50 AM

Press curbs are not automatically proof of a conspiracy; example: the Sandy Hook school shooting where authorities tried to shield the families of the victims from too graphic exposure, but probably were too ham fisted. .

Makropulos
Makropulos
Dec 5, 2018 8:33 AM

Gore Vidal: “Conspiracy theory has become a code word for the unspeakable truth.”

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Dec 5, 2018 8:14 AM

Here is the latest bit of ‘cover up’ reported in the Groaniad ‘The rise of authoritarian governments and the threat of internet censorship has redoubled pressures on reporters globally, according to the human rights organisation Article 19, which found that a further 326 journalists were imprisoned for their work during 2017’. Yawn! 326? You sure you can count? That is less than one a day in the whole wide world! Doesn’t sound completely off the scale…i know ONE is bad , but you know what i mean, i thought it would a lot worse! Not a single mention of Assange, wikileaks, internet censorship by FB/Google/Atlantic Council!!! Who the fuck is Article 19? Who runs it? Who funds it? How? It is not so easy to find out despite their glossy site and annual report. Established in 1987, named after a clause of the declaration of human rights Blah blah …… Read more »

Antonym
Antonym
Dec 5, 2018 8:03 AM

One non-CIA fake theory: CAGW.

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??
Dec 5, 2018 5:47 PM
Reply to  Antonym

CAGW: Citizens Against Government Waste?

Antonym
Antonym
Dec 5, 2018 8:02 AM

There is also an element of “too big to fail” involved.

axisofoil
axisofoil
Dec 5, 2018 8:01 AM

Here we go again

Schlüter
Schlüter
Dec 5, 2018 7:50 AM
GorgeousGreece
GorgeousGreece
Dec 5, 2018 4:43 AM

see this critique of the MOMA exhibit by one who went on a tour of it with its curator http://www.catmcguire.com/art/The-Art-World-Weighs-In-On-Conspiracy-Theories_05Nov2018.html

intergenerationaltrauma
intergenerationaltrauma
Dec 5, 2018 5:03 AM
Reply to  GorgeousGreece

GorgeousGreece – Thanks for sharing that post. Interesting observations by the person on the tour.

Frances Stoner Saunders’ book, “Who Paid the Piper?: The CIA and the Cultural Cold War” is an excellent history of some of the CIA’s cultural operation during the Cold War.

Obviously completely controlling MSM reporting and narratives is the current manifestation of what had been often a bit more subtle CIA approaches. You can’t make this stuff up, as they say.

milosevic
milosevic
Dec 5, 2018 5:44 AM

some of the CIA’s cultural operation during the Cold War

If it seems like Identity Politics is highly compatible with ruling class power, maybe that’s because it was designed that way.

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Dec 5, 2018 9:06 AM
Reply to  milosevic

Identity Politics as has been exposed by a few has been the secret war of culture upon society even before Orwell wrote about it. I consider the whole variety of media to have been deployed in ID politics – newspapers and magazines (cartoons included); radio (Wells cracked it, rock and roll embedded it, not just Elvis was a G-man, and now shock jock talk shows – finally figured what LBC is about), Film (Hollywood is the centre of propaganda, from the very beginning, the whole shoot em up, superpowered hero(ine) interventionist exceptionalist bs; TV (endless endless, just think of the iterations of crime procedurals and judaeo christian white power fantasy promulgation); and now the new media – smart phones (landlines are where telemarketing got politicians in your homes!); google results, FB personal data hoovering and direct marketing, news management and top level coarse censorship and vexatious ruinous legal ‘challenges’ against… Read more »

BigB
BigB
Dec 5, 2018 1:30 PM
Reply to  DunGroanin

DG “We are nearly through the post-modernist mind fucking!” So we can return as meek voluntary slaves to the ‘modernist’ Enlightenment synthesis (Cartesian-Newtonian-Darwinian-Freud) mind fucking? Do you know who is under the PoMo banner definition? Anyone who has ever challenged (directly or indirectly) the hegemony of Anglophone ‘mind-fuck’ imperial exceptionalism. That is everyone from Marx, Nietzsche, Brentano, Husserl, Merleau-Ponty, Barthes, Saussure, Heidegger, Sartre, Camus, Kuhn, Popper, Levi-Strauss, Weber, Deleuze, Guattari, Friere, Gorz, etc …anyone who has ever deviated from Enlightenment exceptionalism, or the imperial hegemony of democratic separationism in the last 150 years …not just Derrida, Lyotard, Foucault, Baudrillard, etc. Even Richard Rorty (and of course Judith Butler) is included under the sub-banner of the Continental School …which is poor geography to say the least. I take my classification from Stephen Hicks “Postmodernism Explained”. In lieu of his cultural preference: a “libertarian Enlightenment” hybrid theory. That is the Enlightenment plus… Read more »

Simon Hodges
Simon Hodges
Dec 5, 2018 2:16 PM
Reply to  BigB

I agree entirely. The problem with identity ‘politics’ as such is that under the terms of the postmodern and poststructuralist critique that it can never become a ‘politics’ as such because postmodernism denies the principles of autonomous human subjects to be placed into conflict with each other in the first place. The political complaints of theories such as ‘Queer Theory’ are totally grounded in the modernist philosophy of power and its eternal struggles that end up understanding everything only in terms of acts of repression or resistance an autonomous authentic human subject. Critical power theory can never resolve these conflicts or recognise that every resistor must necessarily be someone else’s oppressor. Far from trying to resolve conflicts on actually sees that theories such as Queer Theory are far more interested in creating conflicts and trying to raise the conflictual bar, a desire which is animated by a twisted psychology with… Read more »

BigB
BigB
Dec 6, 2018 8:36 AM
Reply to  Simon Hodges

Simon You highlight the reason I object to the umbrella term ‘postmodernism’. In the aspectual, that is to say in the recent culturally recognised face of PoMo as a micropoliticisation, decontextualisation and relativisation of social identity and gender issues …I am, on the surface, as anti PoMo as anyone else. This chronicling dissipated into wool gathering of data and navel gazing analysis. I see this as nothing more as an inauthentic and recuperative attempt to redefine the cultural hegemony as inclusive …which it is not. In attempting to expose what is being bundled, quite deviously and unnecessarily (except for the ideological reasons I highlighted), under the PoMo ‘winding sheet’ – there is no heterogeneity of definition that can be developed to cover such a large corpus of work. If you take the broad categorisation (from Hicks): then any definition of PoMo breaks down (Nietzsche PoMo? Not in anyone but Hick’s… Read more »

Simon Hodges
Simon Hodges
Dec 6, 2018 6:50 PM
Reply to  BigB

We seem to have very different understandings and experiences of these things that leads me to pose a question. If you studied philosophy then did you do so by each topic where it was discussed in terms of how a selection of philosophers approached and addressed those topics or did you study in terms of its history starting from Plato and Aristotle then working your way through Descartes, Lock, Berkeley, Hume, Kant, and the enlightenment, Marx, Freud and Nietzsche and all the way through to postmodernism and Derrida?

BigB
BigB
Dec 7, 2018 6:31 PM
Reply to  Simon Hodges

Simon I did a foundation year in Western philosophy way back when God was a boy (early 80s): rejected it and went off to be a Buddhist monk! It didn’t work out, my point being that my auto-didactic study of philosophy is through a profoundly Eastern lens. The Western elements I am drawn to have a strong self-similarity with Eastern thought: which includes the various philosophers I have mentioned. My own ‘school’ would be Abhidarma-Yogacara-Madhyamika: a buddhist epistemology, phenomenology, and psychology (buddhism predicates no metaphysics or ontology) allied with Western Critical Theory. I also am strongly influenced by ‘Engaged Buddhism’, particularly of Thich Nhat Hanh, which applies buddhist principles to geopolitical and macro-social issues. Which is my way of saying I do not have a systemic approach: all buddhism is primarily liberational. As such, I see the history of Western Thought as a struggle to come to terms with its… Read more »

Simon Hodges
Simon Hodges
Dec 7, 2018 7:43 PM
Reply to  BigB

Thanks for the confirmation, that is more or less what I figured and it explains a lot to me which I probably could not communicate back to you in an understandable or reliable way.

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Dec 5, 2018 2:57 PM
Reply to  BigB

BB it is never difficult to learn something from each of your posts. 🤔 In this one you have reinvented the Python philosophers song! I am happy to clarify,I am no scholar of philosophy. I do however have plenty of experience of news media output and how they sell us their fishy thinking. Consider me a cod-philosophy dabbler at best. History did not end. That was a lie. Identity politics is not the same category as social democratic beliefs of the majority. Intellectualism without practicality is just the same as a religious fairy tale and gives us unthinking extremists alt right/left/centre (yes i believe centrists are just as deluded) People anywhere in the world should not be living in poverty; be uneducated; have no free healthcare, affordable housing, free utilities, security and above all prospects in their own neighbourhoods and homelands – no one should be forced into choosing to… Read more »

BigB
BigB
Dec 5, 2018 4:28 PM
Reply to  DunGroanin

I read the link before, it’s a bit of an unstructured rant. BTW: just about every French intellectual, not just Foucault, signed the petition to lower the age of consent – which I would not condone, nor welcome – including Sartre and de Beauvoir. The French, eh! I certainly would not put my hand up for everything PoMo, but there is a lot being bundled in with the inferior …and no one wants a “libertarian Enlightenment” hybrid theory to prevail. That would be the end of history, humanity, and the world! In the briefest overview: Enlightenment (Modernist) pure objectivity – bad. PoMo pure subjectivity – just as bad. Balanced ‘middle way’ – objective/subjectivity; ’embodied realism’; second order (socially responsible: observer as participant; first person experiential inclusive) science and philosophy – good. Both subject and object extremes are dictatorial. Foucault’s absent morals are an easy target: but no one wants Anglophone… Read more »

Yarkob
Yarkob
Dec 5, 2018 1:10 PM
Reply to  milosevic

and of course, there are persistent rumours that the Dead’s John Barlow was part of the CIAs 60s counter-culture LSD/music/Art/Literature experiment, along with Tim Leary et al

“I’m Uncle Sam, that’s who I am; Been hidin’ out in a rock and roll band.
Shake the hand that shook the hand of P.T. Barnum and Charlie Chan.
Shine your shoes, light your fuse. Can you use them ol’ U.S. Blues?
I’ll drink your health, share your wealth, run your life, steal your wife.
Wave that flag, wave it wide and high.
Summertime done, come and gone, my, oh, my.”

Grateful Dead – US Blues

Yarkob
Yarkob
Dec 5, 2018 1:11 PM
Reply to  Yarkob

And let’s not even mention Anderson Cooper…

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Dec 5, 2018 3:01 PM
Reply to  Yarkob

The Boss?

The Noble laureate?

Any number of Hollywood / broadcast media actors/writers/producers?

Yarkob
Yarkob
Dec 5, 2018 4:05 PM
Reply to  DunGroanin

the Boss? i confess i’ve not heard that, but yes, any number of every public-facing body one could care to mention, but with a particular slant on the entertainment industry as you point out, for obvious reasons…the ending of Wizard of Oz springs to mind for some reason..something about pulling back curtains…

QuietRebel
QuietRebel
Dec 5, 2018 5:01 PM
Reply to  milosevic

I have come to the conclusion that modern feminism has done little for the average woman. Instead modern feminists are using average women as foot soldiers to help elite women get into more positions of power. I am tired of hearing that simply getting more women in power will automatically make the world a better place, because it is not true. women are not better nor worst than a man. A woman leader can usher destructive policy just like a man. It is unfortunate to say this, but women getting more leadership positions has not made things better for the average person. Another thing that I notice is that modern feminists are ironic sexist against professionals that are predominately female in favor of male professions. Feminists deem predominately female professions such as nursing, administration support, paralegal, caregiving, and to a lessor extent teaching as inherently demeaning. Modern feminists also look… Read more »

QuietRebel
QuietRebel
Dec 5, 2018 5:03 PM
Reply to  QuietRebel

I forgot to post the link to the article that I referred to at the end of my post.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/09/the-queen-bee-in-the-corner-office/534213/

George cornell
George cornell
Dec 5, 2018 6:47 PM
Reply to  QuietRebel

If you want them to squirm, or choke on their double lattes, just remind em how woman, prefer male bosses. The reasons are always the same.

Simon Hodges
Simon Hodges
Dec 7, 2018 8:05 PM
Reply to  George cornell

Could you please explain those reasons in more detail?

George cornell
George cornell
Dec 8, 2018 1:02 PM
Reply to  Simon Hodges

Simon, these are detailed in many of the objective studies, although a few of the more recent show signs of being manipulated. You want a wild rumpus?
Men are perceived by women as being more fair, less vindictive, less cruel, less prone to forming exclusionary cliques, less gossipy, less bullying, less slutshaming, etc.

Take a look at girl on girl cyber bullying for this in its purest form? Seasoned FBI investigators, looking at cyber bullying suicides have stated that human cruelty has not been surpassed.