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China’s Uyghur Problem — The Unmentioned Part

by F. William Engdahl, via NEO

In recent months Western media and the Washington Administration have begun to raise a hue and cry over alleged mass internment camps in China’s northwestern Xinjiang where supposedly up to one million ethnic Uyghur Chinese are being detained and submitted to various forms of “re-education.” Several things about the charges are notable, not the least that all originate from Western media or “democracy” NGOs such as Human Rights Watch whose record for veracity leaves something to be desired.

In August Reuters published an article under the headline, “UN says it has credible reports that China holds million Uighurs in secret camps.” A closer look at the article reveals no official UN policy statement, but rather a quote from one American member of an independent committee that does not speak for the UN, a member with no background in China. The source of the claim it turns out is a UN independent advisory NGO called Committee on Elimination of Racial Discrimination. The sole person making the charge, American committee member Gay McDougall, stated she was “deeply concerned” about “credible reports.” McDougall cited no source for the dramatic charge.

Reuters in their article boosts its claim by citing a murky Washington DC based NGO, the Chinese Human Rights Defenders (CHRD). In an excellent background investigation, researchers at the Grayzone Project found that the CHRD gets hundreds of thousands of dollars from unnamed governments. The notorious US government NGO, National Endowment for Democracy, is high on the list of usual suspects. Notably, the CHRD official address is that of the Human Rights Watch which gets funds also from the Soros foundation.

The ‘Uyghur Problem’

The true state of affairs in China’s Xinjiang Province regarding Uyghurs is not possible to independently verify, whether such camps exist and if so who is there and under what conditions. What is known, however, is the fact that NATO intelligence agencies, including that of Turkey and of the US, along with Saudi Arabia, have been involved in recruiting and deploying thousands of Chinese Uyghur Muslims to join Al Qaeda and other terror groups in Syria in recent years. This side of the equation warrants a closer look, the side omitted by Reuters or UN Ambassador Haley.

According to Syrian media cited in Voltaire.net, there are presently an estimated 18,000 ethnic Uyghurs in Syria most concentrated in a village on the Turkish border to Syria. Since 2013 such Uyghur soldiers have gone from combat alongside Al Qaeda in Syria and returned to China’s Xinjiang where they have carried out various terrorist acts. This is the tip of a nasty NATO-linked project to plant the seeds of terror and unrest in China. Xinjiang is a lynchpin of China’s Belt Road Initiative, the crossroads of strategic oil and gas pipelines from Kazakhstan, Russia and a prime target of CIA intrigue since decades.

Since at least 2011 at the start of the NATO war against Bashar al Assad’s Syria, Turkey had played a key role in facilitating the flow of Chinese Uyghur people to become Jihadists in Syria. I deliberately use “had” tense to give benefit of the doubt if it still is the case today or if it has become an embarrassment for Erdogan and Turkish intelligence. In any case it seems that thousands of Uyghurs are holed up in Syria, most around Idlib, the reported last outpost of anti-regime terrorists.

Washington and ETIM

In an excellent analysis of China’s Uyghur terror history, Steven Sahiounie, a Syrian journalist with 21st Century Wire, notes that a key organization behind the radicalization of Chinese Uyghur youth is the East Turkestan Islamic Movement (ETIM) and its political front, the Turkestan Islamic Party (TIP), which is also known as “Katibat Turkistani.” He cites a speech in Istanbul in 1995 by Turkey’s Erdogan, then Mayor, who declared, “Eastern Turkestan is not only the home of the Turkic peoples but also the cradle of Turkic history, civilization and culture…” Eastern Turkestan is Xinjiang.

ETIM today is headed by Anwar Yusuf Turani, self-proclaimed Prime Minister of a government in exile which notably is based in Washington DC. ETIM moved to Washington at a time the US State Department listed it as a terrorist organization, curiously enough. According to a report in a Turkish investigative magazine, Turk Pulse, Turani’s organization’s “activities for the government in exile are based on a report entitled ‘The Xinjiang Project.’ That was written by former senior CIA officer Graham E. Fuller in 1998 for the Rand Corporation and revised in 2003 under the title ‘The Xinjiang Problem.’

I have written extensively in my book, The Lost Hegemon, about career senior CIA operative Graham Fuller. Former Istanbul CIA station chief, Fuller was one of the architects of the Reagan-Bush Iran-Contra affair, and a prime CIA sponsor or handler of Gülen who facilitated Gülen’s USA exile. He was also by his own admission, in Istanbul the night of the failed 2016 coup. In 1999 during the end of the Russian Yelstin era, Fuller declared, “The policy of guiding the evolution of Islam and of helping them against our adversaries worked marvelously well in Afghanistan against the Russians. The same doctrines can still be used to destabilize what remains of Russian power, and especially to counter the Chinese influence in Central Asia.”

This is what the covert US weaponization of ETIM is aimed at. Like most radical Sunni Jihadist groups, Turani’s ETIM got funding as most radical Sunni Jihadist groups from Saudi Arabia.

In the late 1990s, Hasan Mahsum, also known as Abu-Muhammad al-Turkestani, founder of the East Turkestan Islamic Movement, moved ETIM’s headquarters to Kabul, taking shelter under Taliban-controlled Afghanistan. In Afghanistan, ETIM leaders met with Osama bin Laden and other leaders of the CIA-trained Al Qaeda, the Taliban, and the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan to coordinate actions across Central Asia. When the Pakistani military assassinated al-Turkestani in 2003 Turani became head of ETIM, and took his roadshow to Washington.

In his own study of Xinjiang, the CIA’s Graham E. Fuller noted that Saudi Arabian groups had disseminated extremist Wahhabi religious literature and possibly small arms through sympathizers in Xinjiang, and that young Turkic Muslims had been recruited to study at madrasas in Pakistan, Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia. He adds that Uyghurs from Xinjiang also fought alongside Osama bin Laden’s Al Qaeda in Afghanistan in the 1980s.

Fuller noted, “Uyghurs are indeed in touch with Muslim groups outside Xinjiang, some of them have been radicalized into broader jihadist politics in the process, a handful were earlier involved in guerrilla or terrorist training in Afghanistan, and some are in touch with international Muslim mujahideen struggling for Muslim causes of independence worldwide.”

The January 2018 Pentagon National Defense Strategy policy document explicitly named China along with Russia as main strategic “threats” to continued US supremacy. It states, “Inter-state strategic competition, not terrorism, is now the primary concern in US national security.” Explicitly, and this is new, the Pentagon paper does not cite a military threat but an economic one. It states, “China and Russia are now undermining the international order from within the system by exploiting its benefits while simultaneously undercutting its principles and ‘rules of the road.’” The escalating trade war against China, threats of sanctions over allegations of Uyghur detention camps in Xinjiang, threats of sanctions if China buys Russian defense equipment, all is aimed at disruption of the sole emerging threat to a Washington global order, one that is not based on freedom or justice but rather on fear and tyranny. How China’s authorities are trying to deal with this full assault is another issue. The context of events in Xinjiang however needs to be made clear. The West and especially Washington is engaged in full-scale irregular war against the stability of China.


F. William Engdahl is strategic risk consultant and lecturer, he holds a degree in politics from Princeton University and is a best-selling author on oil and geopolitics, exclusively for the online magazine “New Eastern Outlook.”

 

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Bean

As to westeners being excluded from Xinjiang, a friend of mine set off from China to bicycle home about six weeks ago. He’d been living in Shenzhen and took the train up to Urumqi and set off from there. Only once was he redirected and taken, along with his bike back to the permitted route by truck. He encountered no further disruption up to crossing the border into Kazakhstan.

He’s very obviously western.

Glasshopper
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Glasshopper

I was in Bangkok when the Erawan Shrine was bombed.

The Thai Junta authorities, who had deported a plane load of Uigurs to China, blamed the attack on local gangsters. In fact the bomber(s) were Uigurs with Turkish passports and part of the ratline to Syria. The bombing was almost certainly in retaliation for the deportations, and targeted a shrine popular with Chinese tourists.

Nevertheless, the brutal suppression of minorities in Xinjiang should not be downplayed due to the antics of the CIA.

Molloy
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Molloy

FWE – edited now and reposted, thank you kindly again. . . . . FWE — A great and courageous piece. The planet’s leading, monied psychopaths surprise surprise surprise are at the warmongering yet again. Hey ho, very soon LMP’s will run out of islands to hide away in. Criticism and blackguarding of Russia, PRC and others says far more about the (usual) underminers. The frequent use of torture and unlawful killing. The everyday boasting of WMD’s and touting WMD’s, well, simply and plainly points to gangster psychopaths, does it not?! Posturing as helping the downtrodden, a smile with a… Read more »

Say no to speaking in code
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Say no to speaking in code

FWE = F. William Engdahl, the article’s author
(might help someone to decipher FWE)

Molloy
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Molloy

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Patronising little bollix R’sWipe. .. . .

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Admin
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let’s keep things polite as poss shall we

Molloy
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Molloy

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FWE — A great and courageous piece.

The planet’s leading, monied psychopaths surprise surprise are at the warmongering yet again.

Hey ho, very soon LMP’s will run out of islands to hide away in.

Criticism and blackguarding of Russia, PRC and others says far more about the (usual) underminers.

The Dealers. DS US$UK Milit. Indus conglomerate, candidly, vanished up its own R’s as far back as I can remember.
I can still the bullying, stoat-like faces of LBJ and Ronnie, the front desk receptionists at the time.

Thank you JFK. Thank you conscience-stricken Mailer. Thank you Saul Bellow.

¡No pasarán!

Ellie
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Ellie

The journalist gives some misleading information here. He’s confused stating the Eastern Turkestan is the cradle of the Turkic civilisation: <> Yes, it’s the native home of Uighurs who lived there for centuries. Chinese occupied it in 1949 with permission of the soviet government at that time. Communist party in russia, played political game, they threatened Kazakhs, that Uighurs demanding and want to take over the Southern part of the Kazakhstan (along with capital Almaty) and are willing to extend Eastern Turkestan and declare Almaty as the capital of the Eastern Turkestan. Many people believed in this political fairy tale.… Read more »

Jen
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Jen

“… Yes, [Eastern Turkestan is] the native home of Uighurs who lived there for centuries …” Begging your pardon but the area known as “Eastern Turkestan” to President Erdogan has actually only been the home of Uyghurs since the 1750s after the Manchu Qing government in Beijing wiped out the Mongol Buddhist Dzungars living in the area (forcing a bunch of people called the Kalmyks on a long trek to the lower Volga River region bordering the Caspian Sea, in the Russian empire, where one of them would later become an ancestor of Vladimir Lenin) and resettled it with Han… Read more »

Kelvin Zheng
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Kelvin Zheng

Uygurs were not the masters of Xinjiang. Before 1750, the masters of Xinjiang were… you can read history books. But Uygurs in Xinjiang have ONLY a history of more than 200 years, and 200 years ago they were more like Gypsy on the Silk Road.

China is a civilization without interruption of history, so the view of time is different from that of many nations in the world. 200 years is not enough to support many views on Uighurs.

Martin Usher
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Martin Usher

There was a saying in England back in the 1980s which said something like “The only trade unions that Margaret Thatcher was in favor of were Polish ones”. At the time the UK government was carrying on a particularly nasty campaign against unions, particularly coal miners’ unions, while heaping praise on Polish dissidents and trade unionists. It didn’t take a great feat of insight to understand why — its all about advancing the neoliberal agenda and anything that can be co-opted for the purpose was. (Obviously you don’t hear too much about Polish miners in today’s free Poland and as… Read more »

Maggie
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Maggie

It has been the same modus operandum ever since Afghanistan. Seek out, recruit and fund impoverished, disenfranchised, hungry young men and others of the same ‘race’ as that to be invaded and ransacked. They were ideal candidates for brainwashing, totally ignorant of world affairs. Ripe for picking. Their ‘masters’ pay the future ‘ terrorists’ a pittance or not in the case of the White helmets, who were scratching a living from the earth and livestock and then their bellies were filled, they were clothed and housed and gained brief notoriety and fame… And of they survived and had enough they… Read more »

Molloy
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Molloy

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Maggie — Agreed. x 10 million.

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Andrew Manook
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Hmm the people here are very informed it seems…

Narrative
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Narrative

Are the Opium Wars over?

China is now awashed with alcohol with aggressive marketing reaching the very young to the very old.
Opium was spread in the South-Eastern part of the country, now alcohol is pushed over the entire country.

Chinese drank a lot of alcohol before opening their market to the West, however, now it is the younger generations, including of educated class, that are heavily targeted now with a huge increase in the long term diseases caused by alcohol consumption.

As it there are not enough cancers in China …

Antonym
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Antonym

Has it reached Russian or Indian proportions yet?

Narrative
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Narrative

> Antonym

We have here all alcoholic drinks producing countries working very hard in a concerted effort to deliberately spread alcohol addiction to a young professional generation in a third world country that is still finding its way on the international arena.

What is the significance if alcoholism in China reached Russian or Indian levels?

jdseanjd
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Narrative, no, The Opium Wars are NOT over. The Chinese have not forgotten: the wars destroyed China’s self image of itself as “The Middle Kingdom”. They thought they were above all other Earthly Kingdoms, & below only Heaven. They think of their “Great Humiliation”, & it still burns: schoolchildren are taught “never forget”; Museums dedicated to this savage period are visited by Xi Jinping They will regard Trump’s arrogant, insane & belligerent attitude as a continuation of the Rothschild Empire’s plot for World Domination, pursued in 1839 – 1860 via its English & French vassals. Book: Pawns in the Game… Read more »

Narrative
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Narrative

Yes it seems, pushing drugs and alcohol particularly among the youth seems to be part of global dominion operations.
Thanks jdseanjd. Great website http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net

jdseanjd
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@Narrative,
yes I like this website: it’s dedicated to the notion that we have been or are being visited by aliens.
JD.

Antonym
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Antonym

Xinjiang: The story Beijing doesn’t want reported , plus some in the West….
https://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/listeningpost/2018/09/xinjiang-story-beijing-doesn-reported-180922071014801.html

Maggie
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Maggie

@ Antonym
I won’t be opening this link.
AlJazeera, owned by Qatar? Who are part of the Hydra.

Narrative
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Narrative

Yes, they (the Chinese) have a long long long way to reach ‘Western Standards’ that killed 500 .000 innocent civilians with direct assault strikes, and launched illegal drone operations in 8 countries to supposedly attack and kill Islamic terrorists.

Badger Down
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Badger Down

“up to one million ethnic African USAmericans are being detained and submitted to various forms of “re-education.”
There, fixed it.

Einstein
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Einstein

The Uyghur Turks (they speak a variety of Turkish) are just the latest, after the Tibetans, Manchus, Mongols of Inner Mongolia, the Meo & Yao in the southwest, the Lolo (Yi), the Bai, etc., etc.

Joerg
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Joerg

@Einstein Yes, China has minorities, Einstein. But the point of Engdahl is not that China has ethnic minorities, but that the one minority of the Uyghurs are trained and armed to commit terrorist attacks in China and to lay the ground for insurgences. And Washington and Ankara do this not because they love Uyghurs so much, but because the Powers in the US wants to destruct China. And Turkey nationalists/racist want to rule there, because Uyghurs are by ethnic “Turk” – although not “Osmans” (something like if Germany wanted to rule Sweden because Germans have also Germanic ancestors). And if… Read more »

Molloy
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Molloy

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Joe —Maestro. May you live to be 120.

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Paul
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Paul

In the UK we have the Prevent programme to sniff out free thinking British Muslim children, send the police to interrogate and intimidate them and get them on their ‘extremist’ data base. Apparently it’s their teachers who snitch on them, even the under 10’s. British Muslims love it because it makes them feel safe – say the police. Maybe China could adopt British methods?

Antonym
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Antonym

“The true state of affairs in China’s Xinjiang Province regarding Uyghurs is not possible to independently verify”
Thanks, that will do. The fact that non Chinese can’t go there at all should be proof enough that something very fishy is going on.

More fishy is that most in the West or Muslim East don’t want to upset president Xi by asking “difficult” questions. They do that happily for president Trump or PM Modi though.
Shows you how money and military talks while truth walks.

Jen
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Jen

I believe we had this discussion about travel to Xinjiang back in September this year:
https://off-guardian.org/2018/09/19/no-the-un-did-not-report-china-has-massive-internment-camps-for-uighur-muslims/

– and a couple of BTL commenters actually said that there is a tourism industry in Xinjiang and provided links. One commenter even said s/he is a former British citizen living in China who said no permission from the government is needed to visit Xinjiang.

Links as below (originally provided by Nanni):
https://www.travelchinaguide.com/cityguides/xinjiang/
http://www.china.org.cn/top10/2011-11/29/content_23997362.htm

Yet as if on clockwork autopilot, Antonym repeats his/her usual statement, that non-Chinese cannot visit Xinjiang, from that comment thread over here.

Trolling or what?

jo pac
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jo pac

Thanks for your post

mark
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mark

Western Imperialism couldn’t care less about oppressed people who may have legitimate grievances – the Palestinians prove the point adequately. But US Imperialism and its western satellites and satraps have a long history of using the most extreme forms of Islamic fundamentalism as a tool to attack target countries – the Mujahideen in Afghanistan to attack Russia and the Left Government of Afghanistan, Chechens and Islamist fanatics in the Caucasus, Uighurs in Xinjiang, secular Arab regimes in Iraq, Libya, Syria and elsewhere. These people are at best useful idiots serving the US Empire. Often they are just paid western mercenaries… Read more »

Maggie
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Maggie

Brilliant Mark, we are on the same page.
I seem to have duplicated some of what you have said?
I don’t always read down all the posts at once.

Antonym
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Antonym
mohandeer
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@Mark. If the only take anyone in the west has, on what really was happening there, they would believe the false coverage given to the Square incident. Chinese people who were there, know all too well how the US MSM and BBC misrepresented the whole incident. You are right that the whole incident was a useful prescursor to the Maidan coup, the ingredients were there and the usual suspects behind the scenes with their “useful idiots” were all part of the plan to destabilize China “from within”.

Paul
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Paul

Imperial UK was arming Islamic extremists in the Caucasus from about 1830 to 1858 when the Russians captured a British ship about to deliver tons of weaponery. Palmerston was particularly keen on using them to “push back Russia” and had to be persuaded it was an idea that could only rebound. The Church pointed out that Jihadis had a habit of beheading all Christians, wherever found, Russian or not.

DunGroanin
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DunGroanin

The China Syndrome got a lot closer on 1st December,
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/12/neocons-sabotage-trumps-trade-talks-huawei-cfo-taken-hostage-to-blackmail-china.html#more

Death of scientist, arrest of Huawei heir, Arson at Dutch factory…

The deepshitters are doubling up their efforts in the face of their humiliation in Syria. As they did to JFK after he didn’t dance to their Bay of Pigs and Vietnam string pulling.

Forcing Xi/Putin/Modi/ME/Venezuela et al together, in mutual defence from the pathetic Ziofukus mutant superhero mercenaries.

Trump gave them plenty of rope, watch them choke.

kevin morris
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kevin morris

US bad, China often bad I could accept, but US bad, China wonderful stretches credibility to breaking point!

mark
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mark

How many countries has China invaded and bombed recently?
How many democratically elected governments has it overthrown recently?
How many elected leaders has it assassinated?
How many countries has it tried to strangle economically?
How many military bases does it have in the rest of the world?
How many countries has China threatened to destroy over the past few weeks?
How many populations has China threatened to starve recently?
How many wars has China threatened to start over the past couple of weeks?
How many thousands has it killed in drone attacks recently?

China = not perfect.
USA = Nazi Germany ON STEROIDS.

Molloy
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Molloy

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Mark – Keep them coming.

How many people have been tortured and boiled in oil in a U$ Proxy State?

(None in China; intentionally refusing to place PRC in the above sentence.)

Sláinte, once more.

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Bootlyboob
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Bootlyboob

Are you simple, Kev?

ragheadthefiendlyterrorist
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Someone needs to be told in a language he, she, or it understands that this isn’t the 19th century, the People’s Republic of China isn’t the Qing Dynasty, and the era of Opium Wars is over.

Badger Down
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Badger Down
DunGroanin
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DunGroanin

Badger, that is hardcore history – thanks.

So Sasoons weren’t just dead poets and glossy hair salons! All the opium in India…

The impunity with which the ancient gamers still operate with their trillions to direct the world is coming to an end.

The ‘wheegars’ aren’t going to derail this China – not with any modern opiate. Pray that Xi and Modi are not the puppets of the Money.

Molloy
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Molloy

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DG, old pal. Sorry. ” ‘wheegars’ ” ??? Plz X Plan !!

Do you mean the self-regarding murderers of indigenous peoples?

All best.

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Jen
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Jen

“… According to Syrian media cited in Voltaire.net, there are presently an estimated 18,000 ethnic Uyghurs in Syria most concentrated in a village on the Turkish border to Syria …” That village could pretty well be Jisr al Shugurr, a small town in Idlib province. In 2017, reporter Jenan Moussa who works for Al Aan TV in Dubai and who incidentally is no supporter of the Assad government, sent three informants into Idlib province to travel around and observe what was going on there. The informants, filming on smartphones hidden in their clothing, all agreed that there were some 20,000… Read more »

vexarb
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Jen, thank you for uncovering the 20,000 Uyghur terrorists imported into Syria by the AZC. There are people who doggedly blog their bleeding hearts for the poor Uyghers of China; and I do not have the heart to intrude on their very public grief by asking their opinion of NATZO’s import / export business of Muslim terrorists from the Far East to the Middle East. The idea is to give imported terrorists battle experience in Syria, then export them back to create similar mayhem in China. Like the AZC did with Chechen terrorists in Serbia and Russia. NATZO is working… Read more »

Fair dinkum.
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Fair dinkum.

The US and European oligarchs are nervous, and so they should be.
If one of the world’s $limie$t individuals, Rupert Murdoch, couldn’t get the Chinese to play his game, his demented drinking buddies have NO HOPE.

Yarkob
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Yarkob

people like Murdoch try to use modern, western principles and methods of coercion, forgetting that the Chinese have a few thousand years of civilisation on us, and are way too inscrutable to be fooled by the dirty digger and his shady ilk. I expect they gave him the come-on, just enough to get what they needed from the deal, then told him to 去他媽的自己