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Open Thread: US Backs anti-Maduro Coup in Venezuela

Caracas, Venezuela January 23, 2019. REUTERS/Carlos Garcia Rawlins

In a move that many of us saw coming, the US has backed efforts to force Nicolas Maduro from the Presidency of Venezuela. Earlier today Donald Trump officially recognised Juan Guaido, the leader of Venezuela’s defunct National Assembly as “interim President”.

This move was backed by Canada, Brazil, Argentina, Costa Rica, Ecuador, Chile and Peru. The EU were also quick to back regime change, although leaders of specific EU states are yet to make their positions know. It is doubtful any of us will be surprised when they do.

The noteworthy – and predictable – rebels on American continent were the leftist governments of Mexico and Bolivia.

This move has been on the cards for a while, with John Bolton – Trump’s National Security Advisor – tweeting this just last week:

This is very clearly a call for open revolution – note the language: “including the military”.

Obviously any coup needs the military backing it to be successful. Though there are reports of large protests on the streets of Caracas – both for and against the President – the military have not got involved on the ground so far. Howver, they did release a statement disavowing Guaido and the “dark interests” supporting him. They went on to declare that they stand by President Maduro in support of Venezuela’s national sovereignty.

Lacking, for now, the support of Venezuela’s own military the only way the coup can succeed is with military help from a foreign power, the obvious candidates being the US, NATO and Brazil’s new President Jair Bolsonaro – a cross between Pinochet and a used car salesman. He has previously said he would back a military invasion of Venezuela.

What the US/NATO/whoever need is a pretext to invade – enter The Guardian et al.

In their story covering the on-going crisis (Venezuela: what happens now after two men have claimed to be president?) The Guardian quotes Eric Farnsworth, a former US diplomat and vice-president of the Council of the Americas, who says:

[Maduro might] turn sharpshooters on crowds and try to scare everybody back home”

Guardian reporter Tom Philips then says this:

If that happened, the US and the international community would be forced to react.

Which is their way of saying if anyone gets shot, or even injured, in these protests then the US (and allies?) will move to intervene militarily. They would be “forced” to, apparently.

Expect this angle to replayed, a lot, all throughout the mainstream media in the coming days. Op-eds will remind us of the “cost of inaction” in Syria. Some people will write that though Trump is a monster, he is at least elected and we should stand with him in defense of democracy. Stuff like that.

The bottom line will be – we NEED to act in Venezuela because Maduro is “massacring” his own people to hold onto power.

They’ve tipped their hand with a reference to “sharpshooters” killing civilians.

This is, of course, the exact scenario we saw play out in Ukraine in 2014. “Sharpshooters” were “turned loose” on the crowd, killing several dozen people (police and protestors alike). This violence was used to declare Victor Yanukovych’s government “illegitimate”, and replace him with a leader more to the US’s liking. Evidence has since emerged showing the shots were likely fired by non-government marksmen in a bid to escalate the violence.

The same fate awaits Venezuela and Maduro – except Venezuela doesn’t have a super-power on its borders, so the US won’t have to keep the gloves on this time. Venezuela could feel the full force of America’s “humanitarian” armed forces. There are people on the streets – all it needs is one tiny spark, one slight act of violence, and the whole situation will explode.

The US Deep State has shown before that they are more than able to create a spark when they need one.

Important questions:

  • Will the Venezuelan military continue to stand by Maduro?
  • Will there be violence on the streets?
  • If so, how long before there are calls for “humanitarian intervention”?
  • What will the position of the European leaders be?
  • Will the US try to get a UN mandate to act in Venezuela? Would they be successful if they did?
  • Will “The Resistance” criticise Trump for interfering in Venezuela’s democracy?

Kit Knightly is co-editor of OffGuardian. The Guardian banned him from commenting. Twice. He used to write for fun, but now he's forced to out of a near-permanent sense of outrage.

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Robert Laine
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OffG is a great venue for examining various narratives and freely expressing points of view based on interpretation of events without fear of being smeared. The commentary on the complex Venezuelan crisis has been robust and in comments so far, there seems to be a consensus on OffG (not shared by the majority of USAmerican MSM) that a US invasion would produce disastrous results. My interpretaton of the “facts” is based on information about Venezuela gained from a variety of sources in Spanish and English since 2007 (when I retired and moved to Chile), and on my values which include… Read more »

Martin Usher
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Martin Usher

I think that it is fortunate that most Americans aren’t into irony. I read an editorial piece in yesterday’s Los Angeles Times about Venezuela that could very well have been written about the US — a Presidential election that was potentially flawed with the election carried by a minority due to quirks in the system, a deeply unpopular President that’s incapable of governing but rather a slave to a clique of special interests, an assembly that’s opposed to the President and so on.** Nobody seemed to think it was out of place that one severely dysfunctional government should dictate to… Read more »

comite espartaco
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There is a true and clear parallelism between the political situation in the USA and Venezuela (Paleozuela) and other countries. A parallelism born from ultraliberal immigrationism and the unfair competition unleashed by a globalised world. In the USA, an alliance of workers and industrialists, through their ‘democratically’ elected (under the current Constitutional rules) President Trump, are fighting to take control of the political system from a treacherous immigrationist oligarchy, that has opened the country to a globalist assault and undermined the industrial and military strength of the nation, as well as the security and wellbeing of its citizens. This ‘American’… Read more »

comite espartaco
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Just now (26/01/19, 12:22 Spanish time), the ‘Socialist’, feminist, immigrationist and globalist Misgovernment of Spain, supported by the Bolivarian party Podemos, has given an ultimatum to the Misgovernment of Paleozuela, that is, to Maduro, to call free and fair elections in a period of 8 days or Spain will recognise Mr Guaidó as legitimate President of Venezuela. Remains to be seen if the Bolivarians of Podemos will bring down their own Misgovernment in Spain…!!!

MaryP
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MaryP

It is like a train-wreck in slow motion, it is all so predictable yet so hard to stop: the USA + its neo-fascist Allies sabotaging a non-neo-liberal government yet again. Same playbook as Nixon/Kissinger’s “make-Chile’s-Economy-SCREAM”, when they wanted to take down Allende. It is even the same personell at times, now that Pompeo yesterday has named the butcher-of-Central-America, Elliott Abrams, as the guy to “fix” Venezuela. YES, THAT Elliott Abrams, who was convicted for Iran-Contra affair + has the blood of 100,000s on his hands, in Guatemala alone. Check out this interview with him from 1995: the brutish laughter shows… Read more »

comite espartaco
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The Bolivarian Misgovernment of Venezuela (Paleozuela), IS a ultraliberal misgovernment. No matter how many red flags they try to wave, the truth is that the Bolivarians ARE ultraliberal, immigrationist, globalist, feminist, ethnicist, and racist, that is, they have all the characteristics of a LIBERAL movement. Their supporters and allies, are also the most fanatic liberals in the world: China, Russia, Turkey, Iran, etc… are supercapitalist, oligarchic, slave driven and fuelled economies. The Iran-Contra affair was an anticommunist plot, as much American as Iranian, to destroy the Nicaraguan ‘revolution’ and the Soviet influence in the area. It is not strange, then,… Read more »

milosevic
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milosevic

you sound like that Breivik nazi scumbag in Norway. why don’t you f*** off to somewhere else?

comite espartaco
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It is called free speech. We understand ‘Off Guardian’ was created to protect and promote free speech…!!! Aren’t you in the wrong place…???!!!

milosevic
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milosevic

your fascist propaganda isn’t fooling anyone. return to your CIA masters. tell them that you have failed.

comite espartaco
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Everyone knows or should know, that there are many types of Nazis. You are, obviously, one of the leftist variety. A rearguard Nazi, that is, because it is not even clear that you would have the courage of your silly convictions (who would with that convictions?), to be a proper War Nazi or a Summer Nazi, as the Soviets use to call them. The real Milosevic would have understood all that…

the pair
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the pair

apologies in advance if this double-posts. wordpress javascript needs serious help. i just saw a piece in the guardian and thought “what better place to mock it” than off-g. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jan/24/risk-catastrophic-us-intervention-venezuela it starts off with a promising title but 4.5 paragraphs in the usual mainstream right-of-center qualifiers we all know so well: “This is not because Maduro deserves anyone’s support or sympathy” well, he does deserve the support of the MORE THAN 6 MILLION VOTERS who elected him. he also deserves sympathy for trying to run a country under economic and regional siege by ayn rand spawn. if the writer cares… Read more »

harry stotle
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harry stotle

Some of the ill-informed dross BTL shows how conditioned a substantial proportion of the Guardian readership has become. Syria, and certainly Libya, and Iraq they have already forgotten about. So first they rubbish Maduro, displaying almost no insight into the complex geopolitics shaping Latin America and from there is is but a short step to bad-mouthing Jeremy Corbyn followed by portentous warning about t’evils of socialism (name-checking Soviet Russia and China along the way, natch). It doesn’t seem to dawn on them that the dead bodies beamed into their living room from various US war zones are a direct consequence… Read more »

John A
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John A

Most of the BTL comments in the Guardian today come from the Hasbara, Integrity Intiative, GCHQ etc., armies of online swarms. At times, you get the impression the Guardian notifies these units of when a piece open to comments will be published, and then they can swarm in and spread their filth and recommend the filth posted by others of their ilk. Putin bad, Madero bad, Trump bad, Corbyn bad etc etc. I have given up there, especially as anything remotely critical of the Guardian’s line gets moderated immediately.

comite espartaco
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To Mark.
You don not seem to understand the situation in Venezuela. The reason Mr Guaidó has proclaimed himself ‘Acting’ President, is because the opposition WON the last elections to the National Assembly. It is, precisely for that reason, that ‘President’ Maduro created a new Assembly, to bypass the majority of the National Assembly. This is clearly an unconstitutional move and Mr Maduro, technically, that is, according to the very same Bolivarian Constitution (‘created’ by President Chávez), is not the legal President of Venezuela.

mark
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mark

The Opposition did not just not win the elections, they did not even lose them. They did not even take part – on Washington’s instructions. They knew that they had minimal support outside the Washington Beltway and would just humiliate themselves by losing again, like they have lost every other election they have contested. They represent Wall Street, the Big Oil Companies, the State Department, their CIA handlers, and the tiny comprador Quisling elite with homes in Miami who worship at the altar of all things American. Nobody else. That’s why, even if these clowns do manage to stage a… Read more »

mark
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mark

The Opposition has lost every election it has contested over the past 20 years. Elections that have been uniformly endorsed as free and fair. As a result, often it doesn’t even bother contesting elections any more because it knows it will lose and just embarrass itself. The Opposition represent nobody but themselves, a small Quisling comprador elite bankrolled by US regime change outfits, Big Oil and foreign corporate interests. It tries to get round this by violence, both by attempting military coups, assassinations, and using its paramilitary street thugs generously funded by Uncle Sam to foment as much chaos as… Read more »

bevin
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bevin

You are entirely wrong. As wrong as the apologists for the coup against Honduras’s Zelaya were to charge him with unconstitutional acts.
In fact the appropriate court in Venezuela has found that the Constituent Assembly was properly convened and is acting legally. The 2016 elections to the National Assembly were invalid.
The electoral process used in elections to the Constituent and Presidency is more transparent, fairer and more equitable than any other in the world.
Maduro is the President and the Constituent Assembly is the legislature.

comite espartaco
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The ‘appropriate court in Venezuela’ is Mauro’s court, judges from the regime… of course they are going to favour Maduro. The surprising thing is that, after having ruled for so long (20 years), and having all the resorts of power, the Bolivarians LOST the election, big time, against an opposition that is not a model of virtues. That gives the measure of the misgovernment of the chavista regime and explains today’s situation of a Bolivarian oligarchy that never had a clear goals and is ideologically and intellectually deficient.

harry stotle
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harry stotle

Surely the educated western public are not so thick they will fall for media generated lies about the need for US-backed regime change in Venezuela? By now the bigger picture must have dawned on them following US invasions or black-ops in Grenada, Panama, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Viet Nam, Afghanistan, Kuwait, Chile, Yugoslavia, etc, etc. It would certainly be disappointing if they made gratuitous references to Corbyn or the fact – fill in name of leader the US don’t like – harmed his ‘own people’ because that would take a special kind of stupid not to see they are being played… Read more »

mark
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mark

Our American friends are nothing if not predictable. Regime Change 101:- 1. Attack any sovereign, independent country with economic strangulation and economic warfare. 2. Groom some pliable local stooge to act as the Quisling puppet. 3. Declare the elected leader and government to be “illegitimate/ corrupt/ incompetent/ undemocratic.” 4. Get all the presstitutes in the bought and paid for MSM to incite a campaign of smear and vilification against the target country. 5. Get the NED/ USAID and all the CIA Regime Change Fronts to create and bankroll paramilitary street thugs from any available criminal gangs and low life. 6.… Read more »

Marb
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Marb
NOBTS
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NOBTS

Anybody else wonder if the “international community” consensus on springing this coup might have been taken at Davos?

Robert Laine
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Thanks, Kit, for keeping the danger of another humanitarian intervention on the screen. Off-G is a great forum for discussing from various points of view the Venezuela issue which has become overly polarised. My comments on your questions follow. 1. The Venezuelan military high command will probably continue to stand by Maduro. After the 2002 coup attempt, Chavez replaced most of those in place with his own picks. The several thousand Cuban troops in Venezuela would also stand by him. The “colonels” and other military types who are the source of most Latin American coup attempts (eg. Col. Chavez in… Read more »

bevin
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bevin

“The question still remains: how can the serious humanitarian crisis in Venezuela be reduced if we agree that foreign military intervention is counter-productive? Basic food items, for example, are becoming more scarce..” Ending economic sanctions would be one obvious solution. Returning Venezuela’s gold reserves and its assets in the US would also allow its government to take the emergency measures needed while confiscating the property and particularly the landholdings of the oligarchic Fifth column which is creating famine in order to provoke violence. As to the fiction that violence on the street is caused by the Venezuelan police the record… Read more »

John Gilberts
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John Gilberts

“This is astonishing. Chrystia Freeland standing next to Brazil’s far right Bolsonaro in Davos to announce Canada’s support for a coup in Venezuela…”

https://twitter.com/derrickokeefe/status/1088280556104456704

No surprise to find Canada’s Foreign Minister Freeland supporting her American overlords, given her fondness for such things especially the one that put her Banderite friends into power in Kiev.

bevin
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bevin

Its a great pity that Canada’s Foreign minister is so very nazi.

softechsteveabbott
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No surprise to find Twitter being so sorry that page doesn’t exist….

vexarb
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vexarb

Update from PNW on SyrPer: Pacificnorthwest #285492 Confirmation from telesur that the Venezuelan military is standing with the legitimate government of Venezuela agaibst the US backed coup plotters: Defense Minister Padrino, Military’s Top Brass Affirms Loyalty to President Maduro General Vladimir Padrino in a statement from the ministry and in the company of the military leadership said that the United States and other governments are executing a war against Venezuela. “I warn the people that there is a coup underway against our democracy and our president Nicolas Maduro,” Padrino said during the press conference. “As soldiers, we work for peace… Read more »

mark
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mark

Just listened to Sky News droning on about “the corrupt hated Maduro regime” and its “repression”, “because it controls the guns.”

MichaelK
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MichaelK

Ideally Washington wants the rightwing coup to succeed and topple the Bolivarians from power without the Americans having to intervene directly because US troops on the ground is an incredibly dangerous strategy that could easily backfire and lead to massively negative reaction across Latin America. So, I don’t see an American ‘invasion’ happening soon. Venzuela appears to be heading for something that looks like ‘civil war’, that’s bad enough. It could spread and destabliise more than just Venezuela. Let’s hope the army stays loyal. The role of the army will be crucial. Grand Washington strategy seems to be to destabilise… Read more »

John Ervin
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John Ervin

The whole methodolgy is spelled out in the 5 page introduction to “Confessions of an Economic Hit Man” which is available for a free peak at the Amazon page (if nothing else). If all the EHM and jackals fail, bring in the Marines. And, we have the redoubtable Smedley Butler to thank for giving us a glimpse of their script in his tell-all “War is a Racket”. 80 years ago, he said that as top rank Marine brass he was no more nor less than “hired muscle to prop up U.S. business interests.” So, if there’s any mystery to Venezuela,… Read more »

mark
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mark

One possible outcome is igniting a 50 year Colombia style civil war destabilising the whole continent.

Robert J.
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Robert J.

I may be wrong, or hopelessly optimistic, but certain factors might work against the agenda of Washington & Friends: – the Brazilian army doesn’t have interventionism built in into its genes. Last foreign war of relevance was the war of Paraguay, 150 years ago — if we’ll except the participation in WWII on the Allies’ side which the previously Nazi-friendly Brazilian dictatorship (although not Vargas himself, but that’s too much detail) were forced into at gun point (by the US, natürlich.) After the latest dictatorship came to an end in the early 1980’s the military have tried hard to make themselves unnoticed,… Read more »

Lochearn
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Lochearn

The shortages of goods in Venezuela are due to capitalists holding back products in their warehouses in order to provoke social and economic strife. The government has been slow to set up alternative systems to provide these products. If one reads the WikiLeaks cables relating to US policy in Venezuela they reveal a vast undercover operation extending to the creation of women’s groups in isolated rural areas. It is an excellent case study of how NGOs are used to destabilize governments which do not act in the sole interest of the bankers, the transnationals and domestic elites.. In the economy… Read more »

Thomas Prentice
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Thomas Prentice

The Open Veins are STILL OPEN. Galeano’s book is sobering to person with a conscience. Especially to a WHITE EURO person with a conscience.

comite espartaco
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That’s right, the Bolivarian Misgovernment is 20 years too LATE… since 1999…!!! Sabotage and blockade, the excuses of Cuba do not wash anymore… The Bolivarian friends have capital; China, Russia, Iran… are awash with it. Venezuela has capital… OIL… but these crooks have it in Switzerland, Andorra, Spain…!!! Venezuela has NGO’s in Spain, Greece, etc… in fact it has POLITICAL PARTIES IN POWER… Podemos, Syriza…!!!

Ken Kenn
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Ken Kenn

You can have all the capital in the world but if the US says you are under sanctions you are under sanctions. They control the petro dollar and the vast majority of payment systems across the globe. The BRICS are working on an alternative payment system and when it arrives the dollar will be dead. Like the end of the World is Nigh though it will take a bit of time. Meanwhile if you and your acolytes want to bow to your master carry on. In the next financial crash your deposits in your trusted bank will be used towards… Read more »

bevin
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bevin

In point of fact the US is currently freezing Venezuela’s financial assets (Capital) and handing it over to the |legitimate” goverrnment. The Ban kdf England already refused, several weeks ago, to return Venezuela’s gold reserves. So the thieves in question are easily identifiable as Trump and May. Further: as was the case in Libya, where the country’s foreign deposits were handed over to the various jihadist militias and of course persons like Sarkozy and Clinton, the likelihood is that Venezuela’\s purloined capital will be spent on mercenaries, weapons and propaganda campaigns. If he is listening Chris Nige Donnelly might put… Read more »

mark
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mark

Dear CE, I’m no fan of centrally planned controlled economies. But consider the reality for a moment. America has waged an unrelenting campaign of economic strangulation against Cuba for 60 years. This has cost a small and relatively poor country in excess of $1 trillion. Don’t you think if Cuba had just been left alone that $1 trillion could have produced a better way of life for the people there? Cuba has been unable to use medical monitoring equipment bought from Holland because it has a small US component. If Cuba buys Italian textile machinery that is taken to Cuba… Read more »

Maggie
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Maggie

”CIA terrorist proxies placed bombs in Cuban tourist hotels.” The King David Hotel bombing was an attack carried out on Monday July 22, 1946 by the militant Zionist underground organization Irgun on the British administrative headquarters for Palestine, which was housed in the southern wing of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem. it was officially announced that 91 people had been killed in the explosion: 28 Britons, 41 Arabs, 17 Jews and five others. The hotel was the site of the central offices of the British Mandatory authorities of Palestine, principally the Secretariat of the Government of Palestine and the… Read more »

mark
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mark

A few years ago there was a big ceremony in Israel to commemorate the event. Not to remember the victims, but to honour the terrorists. Just one of thousands of terrorist atrocities committed by the Zionist Regime.

comite espartaco
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Dear Mark Economic strangulation of would be communist regimes or others, is nothing new. It does not mean that is not harmful, of course it is, but that is the name game when you have a revolution. The US does not need to support or make life easy for anyone, especially if it is being constantly accused of imperialism, etc… Cuba had the support of the USSR and others and though it certainly managed to make solid and excellent advances, it could not outgrow its Soviet ‘dependency’, reacting too late to the collapse of the USSR. Cuba is a ‘personalist’… Read more »

mark
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mark

Castro was not originally communist or pro Russia. He was condemned and criticised by the Cuban Communist Party. He had to turn to Russia for help to survive in the face of unremitting US hostility. They didn’t want the US to “support” or “make life easy” for them. Probably they were hoping for some kind of accommodation, not US invasions, 600 plus assassination attempts against the head of state, 60 years of economic strangulation costing them over $1 trillion, and a decades long terrorist campaign costing thousands of Cuban lives. But of course when you’re “exceptional” and “indispensable” you can… Read more »

milosevic
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milosevic

LOL at “constantly accused of imperialism”.

Yes, it’s those constant accusations of imperialism that are really ruining the world.

comite espartaco
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If you hate the US so much… Why do you want to trade with it or have relations with it…???!!! I f they are so bad close all channels, do a North Korea. Though, even North Korea wants commerce and charity from the US… perhaps not to die of starvation…!!!

jag37777
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CIA stooge.

comite espartaco
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Another cretin? If you have something to say or contribute do so. Do not be afraid, this is a free speech area, even if you are a moron…!!!

John Ervin
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John Ervin

He DID have something to contribute. He called you “CIA stooge”

OK, OK, maybe that was too generous. We see your point.

£4£4£………………€

“I seen the varmint!”
-Louis L’Amour

balkydj
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Balky laughing & chuckling , (indeed balky almost choked), on that particularly refreshing ‘royal minty’ metaphor and observations of yours, John . . . For the love of God & Louis (C4K), $4$ somethings are obvious and crystal clear in terms of ‘pixelisation’ , thus balky has often wondered if Comite Espartaco-bell is in fact the boss of the British 77th Brigade / Division, in mind , coz’ he ain’t one of their 19 yr. old kids and seems to have a far better vocab & education .. than anybody in the CIA 😉 Lol, great comments , JE on… Read more »

John Ervin
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John Ervin

Just yet one more, and mere, humble Conspiracy Realist, at your service.

And Comite was Colonel Blimp in a former life, though not as funny as this one.

intergenerationaltrauma
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comite espartaco – In response to your referring to other commentators as “morons” and “cretins” a quote from Shakespeare comes to mind:

“me thinks the troll boy doth project too much!”

Or was it, “me thinks the lady doth protest too much?” Well, whatever, you get the idea.

comite espartaco
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How delicate and petulant are those who insult, thinking that those they insult are dumb and unable to defend themselves… Fair is foul and fouls is fair… hover through the fog and filthy air…!!!

Thomas Prentice
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Thomas Prentice

Here is a letter is sent to the dallas morning news, nyt, washington bezos, toronto star, and yes, our dear guardian and one or two others. I expect the axe of fascist corporate censorship to fall on this letter in each and every one of these corporate fascist mainstream media outlets of propaganda, trivia, gossip and trash-talking, evidence and source-free: Dear Editor: Venezuela, Uruguay, Bolivia, Nicaragua and now Cuba and the Caribbean states are the only actual, authentic democracies in the Western Hemisphere. There were more — Brazil, Argentina, Ecuador, Honduras and others before the United States deep state under… Read more »

comite espartaco
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Mr Guaidó is the President of the National Assembly of Venezuela, elected not long ago with a majority against the Bolivarian regime and constitutionally entitled to take the position of Acting President, as he has rightly done. On the other hand, if you are seriously saying that the presidents of the United States of America have been elected illegitimately by following the ‘peculiar’ US Constitution, then, you should go to the Mexican border and show your letter to the migrants that try to enter the US. There is no doubt that, as soon as they read it, the immigrants will… Read more »

mark
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mark

Strange how this opposition can never win an election. They base their legitimacy on the support of Uncle Sam, Wall Street, the big oil companies and the comprador elite worshipping at the altar of all things American. I suppose that all trumps a mere democratic election endorsed as entirely free and fair by international monitors.

John Ervin
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John Ervin

Not at all, mostly our pResidents have been “elected” through “elections” that are, to borrow Gore Vidal’s relevant aperçu, “pretty much rigged from the getgo”.

And we are enthusiastically, eagerly exporting those Trojan Horses, aka voting machines, to all four corners of the globe (tentatively branded “Amerikkka”.)

Other than that, we stole them fair and square.

AND: “constititutionally” LOLOLOL.

mark
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mark

Maybe Clinton should just declare herself president and seize power. Maybe Corbyn should just declare himself prime minister and seize power, because Trump and May are “illegitimate usurpers” who should be overthrown by the armed forces.

Thomas Prentice
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Thomas Prentice

Yes. If it is not democratic, it is illegitimate — dude — being as the US is the World’s Greatest Democracy — nd the world’s greatest HYPOCRITE. duh!

comite espartaco
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Go to the Mexican border and tell immigrants just that. Tell them to go to truly ‘democratic’ countries like Venezuela, Cuba or Nicaragua, where leaders never change or die in power. Go and tell them that the US is an illegitimate dictatorship, even worst than the ‘shitholes’ they come from. Go and tell them.

different frank
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different frank

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mark
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mark

It is in the nature of things that refugees seek refuge in the belly of the beast that has destroyed them. That was true at the time of the Roman Empire and it is true today. This was a key factor in the eventual destruction of the Roman Empire. It will be the same story with the US Empire and its European satellites, a tidal wave of humanity from devastated countries. In those times they were called Goths, Visigoths, and various other peoples. Now they are Iraqis, Syrians, Libyans, Afghans, East Africans, Central Africans, and Central Americans. All countries that… Read more »

comite espartaco
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That must explain why the republican refugees from the Spanish Civil War fled towards the areas controlled by Franco, Germany and Italy. Why the children of the UK were evacuated to Germany and not to Australia during the WWII or why the Chinese communists did a Long March to end up in the hands of the Kuomintang… That must be why, given the choice between the true democracies of Cuba, Nicaragua and Venezuela, they choose the tyranny of the USA. You seem to have misunderstood the situation. The truth is that Roman imperialism was a consequence of invasions and not… Read more »

John Ervin
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John Ervin

“Communism is a judgement on our failure to make democracy real, and to follow through on the revolutions we initiated.”

–a very young Martin Luther King, Jr.

Brian Living
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Brian Living

Would you mind me copying this to the Mail?

Thomas Prentice
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Thomas Prentice

how do i do that?

Maggie
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Maggie

Hi Thomas,
Press and hold down the control key, then swipe the mouse over the text you want to use.., right click and the menu will drop down… choose COPY, then go to the comment/discussion site of your choice… and right click again and choose PASTE.

Thomas Prentice
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Thomas Prentice

Merci beaucoup 😉

rogerglewis
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test
The front running of the Regime change ops is not so hard to see,
Ukraine, Syria, Libya , Now Venezuela again,
Heres VoltaireProject Kurt W Tidd, Stella Colloni and Thierry Meyssan. From as far back as February 2018!!!!
https://www.voltairenet.org/article201100.html

comite espartaco
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To Big B. Unfortunately there are many people with infantile illusions about the fake ‘revolution’ in Venezuela. That is one of the problems. The Bolivarian regime is guilty as sin of manipulating important sectors of an ignorant and exasperated population (and the world at large) and creating the illusion of change, when they have not done what it should have been done (violently or otherwise) when it had ALL power in its hands. That is why they have reproduced a new elite, a populist oligarchy that has fallen in the same or worst vices than the previous one. It is… Read more »

BigB
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BigB

Well, I can see the love of humanity flowing through your comment. Whilst there might be a grain of truth in your disposition, there also seems to be a desert of delusion. Not a word written to the realpolitik situation of an immanent Yankee imperial invasion. Name one South American country that has benefited from American democratic intervention since 1823? You can’t. No one can. Who shall we ask, Smedley Butler? He knew which corporations he was working for, eventually. From Monroe’s doctrinaire manifest destiny on through the School for the Americas, the death squads, the Condor ‘human intelligence led’… Read more »

comite espartaco
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It is precisely because of these idiotic and fake revolutionaries, that all that you have mentioned happened. It is, precisely, because of phony revolutionaries and ‘christian lovers’ of mankind, that humanity is being slaughtered like a defenceless lamb by corrupt and depraved politicians and exploiters. Intervention and colonisation is not a miracle, a supernatural occurrence, it needs internal mediation and collaboration. These fatuous Bolivarian ‘revolutionaries’ and their asinine friends have created the ideal conditions for that…!!!

Thomas Prentice
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Thomas Prentice

CIA drone /troll?

comite espartaco
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What is it, your PhD does not allow you to understand the world…???!!!

rogerglewis
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The front running of the Regime change ops is not so hard to see,
Ukraine, Syria, Libya , Now Venezuela again,
Heres VoltaireProject Kurt W Tidd, Stella Colloni and Thierry Meyssan. From as far back as February 2018!!!!
https://www.voltairenet.org/article201100.html

Here is a thread on Twitter from 14th January, where in knocking Jeremy Corbyn some one trotted out the, ” Ask the people about Venezuela about Socialism”, Jibe.
https://longhairedmusings.wordpress.com/2019/01/24/venezuelan-narratives-front-running-the-regime-change-ops/

Andrew Neal also got in on the act and provoked a fairly impressive push back Abi Martin also tweeted having had to flea Venezuela under threat of death form the Coups Mob.
https://twitter.com/afneil/status/1088173584286134274

rogerglewis
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I have been blogging on Steem which I notice does not work well in a chrome browser clearly Google pushing back against the uncesorable Distributed web.

https://steemit.com/venezuela/@tonefreqhz/venezuelan-narratives-front-running-the-regime-chnage-ops

Heres Don Henleys If Dirt were dollars with a bit of a lide show

https://d.tube/v/tonefreqhz/5csy7vpz

and the anti war in iraq 2003 Iraq protests in London

https://d.tube/v/tonefreqhz/ywzn9c7c

comite espartaco
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The US has not arrogated anything to itself. It is a considerable part of the people of Venezuela that is trying to get rid of a ridiculous regimen of crooks and thickos that are, not only ruining their own country, but attacking others by creating a movement of mass migration and funding political ultraliberal parties in other countries like Spain and Greece. We are before a clear case of Third World Imperialist expansion and colonisation…!!!

John Ervin
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John Ervin

Graham Greene did more than a sketch of American agents provocateurs in his “The Quiet American”. He killed it. Alden Pyle was working this same old Pirates of the Caribbean shtick, only in French Indochine, in Place Garnier, Saigon of January 1952. Dawn of the (Nazified, Gehlen-run, Operation Paperclipped) CIA. H. Bruce Franklin wrote about all this in his extremely canny review in The Nation of Philip Noyce’s 2002 film remake, an essay “By the Bombs Early Light”. He wrote me in his reply to my kudos “Greene sure had his number.” And Greene wrote in his 1962 preface to… Read more »

d
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d

I am not trying to be personal or anything, but there is a difference between free speech, a practise I would always endorse even if I don’t particularly like the content, and outright gibberish – a practice for which you seem to have a particular penchant. By all means continue if you wish to make a laughing stock of yourself.

comite espartaco
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Thank you for giving us your peerless permission to humbly and awkwardly express ourselves… Oh Lord…!!!