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Marie Colvin, Homs and Media Falsehoods about Syria

Rick Sterling

Introduction

In April 2014 I was part of an international delegation which visited Syria for five days. The delegates came from many different countries. Among the notables were the Irish Nobel Laureate Mairead Maguire, a Syrian-British heart surgeon and Julian Assange’s father. We spent time in Damascus, then traveled by bus to Latakia and then Homs. In each city we had meetings with political, religious and social leaders but also had time to wander about and talk with people on the streets.

In Latakia, I met Lilly Martin, an American woman who married a Syrian and has lived there, raising a family for the past twenty-five years. She told me how wrong the western media coverage was. Contrary to media claims, she said protests in Latakia were violent from the start. After the first outbreak of violence, Syrian police and military were ordered to not carry weapons. Protesters continued to burn and destroy government offices with incidents of knifing and shooting unarmed police.

Homs, 2014 (Rick Sterling)

When we visited Homs I was struck by how normal it looked. The streets were full of people and the city looked fine. It was dramatically different than the images portrayed in western media. It was only when we were driving out of Homs that we passed an area where there was widespread destruction and battle damage. There was a sharp contrast between most of the city and the few neighborhoods where battle had raged.

The American journalist Marie Colvin died in February 2012 in one of those neighborhoods. It was called Baba Amr. Ten days after her death, the militants and remaining civilians had all departed Baba Amr. It’s unfortunate that Marie Colvin did not talk with Lilly Martin or visit the majority of Homs where the war was not raging. It could have provided much needed balance to her perspective.

Marie Colvin and Homs

According to many of her colleagues, Marie Colvin was charming and courageous, ambitious and fun to be with. She had a knack for including personal details, descriptions and emotions that engaged the reader. Unfortunately, Colvin’s reports and interviews from Syria were inaccurate and a huge distortion of the situation.

It is useful to examine Colvin’s reporting now, seven years later, because there is a wave of new articles, books and movies about her and how she died in Syria.

Colvin and photographer Paul Conroy were smuggled into Syria from Lebanon in February 2012. They spent some days in the town of Al Buwaydah and then were taken into the city of Homs using a drainage culvert to avoid Syrian Army checkpoints. Their guides and minders for the trip were from the Farouq Battalion associated with the Free Syrian Army (FSA).

Beginning in the Fall 2011, militants from the Farouq Battalion set up checkpoints, killed security and soldiers and gradually took control of the Homs neighborhood called Baba Amr. They called it a “liberated zone”. By the time Marie Colvin and other journalists arrived, most of the civilians had fled the fighting to stay with friends and family in other parts of the city.

Colvin and Conroy spent a few days in Baba Amr but then left through the tunnel when it was rumored that Syrian forces were going to attack. After learning that the attack did not take place, the journalists made the difficult journey back into Baba Amr. The second morning after returning, Marie Colvin and French photographer Remi Olchik died as the Syrian forces launched mortar and missile attacks.

Biased and Inaccurate Reporting from Syria

Marie Colvin’s reports and interviews from Syria were broadcast widely in the UK and USA. She wrote an article titled “A vet is only hope for Syrian wounded”. The article begins “Wounded civilians arriving at a makeshift clinic in the Syrian city of Homs are relying on a vet to save their lives because there is no doctor to treat them.” As documented in Conroy’s book, they were not in Homs; they were in the town Buwaydah when they observed a vet working as a medic. Actually, there were hundreds of doctors performing medical duties and treating civilians and soldiers injured in the conflict in Homs.

Colvin’s major story for the Sunday Times was titled “Final dispatch from Homs, the battered city”. It begins by describing a “widows basement” with 300 “frightened women and children trapped in the horror of Homs”. The report of 300 women and children is an exaggeration. Another journalist estimated half that number which is likely an exaggeration itself, since the photos and video show fewer than 50 women and children.

Colvin continued her report saying, “The widows’ basement reflects the ordeal of 28,000 men, women and children clinging to existence in Baba Amr.” This is a huge falsehood; there was a tiny fraction of that number of civilians remaining in the neighborhood. Paul Conroy wrote as follows:

It became increasingly unbelievable that there were an estimated 28,000 people still living in Baba Amr. I hadn’t seen a single one.”
Under the Wire (p. 188)

The night before her death, Marie Colvin did live interviews on BBC, Channel 4 and CNN. The CNN interview began by showing video of a baby dying from a shrapnel wound (above). CNN believed Marie Colvin was an eye-witness to the baby’s death. Anderson Cooper asked Colvin what it was like to be in the room. Marie Colvin replied that the room was chaotic and the baby’s death heartbreaking. She dramatized the situation by speaking about the baby’s grandmother being a volunteer in the room when the baby arrived. However, Colvin was not in the room at all. Marie Colvin and the media activists were shown the video on a laptop computer by their FSA guide. (Under the Wire p.155).

In her CNN interview Colvin described Baba Amr as:

28,000 civilians, men, women and children, hiding, being shelled, defenseless…. There are no military targets here…. So it’s a complete and utter lie that they (Syrian military) are only going after terrorists…. The Syrian Army is simply shelling a city of cold, starving civilians.”

In reality, Baba Amr was the primary base for militants of the Farouq Battalion. If there was an “utter lie”, it was pretending that this was primarily a civilian neighborhood.

The Syrian Reality Which Colvin Did Not Report

Like most western coverage of Syria, Colvin’s reporting did not provide important context such as the following:

  • How the conflict began in Homs. An eyewitness reported “From the start, the protest movements were not purely peaceful. From the start I saw armed demonstrators marching along in the protests, who began to shoot at the police first. Very often the violence of the security forces has been a reaction to the brutal violence of the armed rebels.”
  • How Baba Amr was taken over. In October 2011 militants from the Farouq Battalion set up checkpoints within Baba Amr, attacked and killed Syrian Army soldiers and other security forces, and killed or expelled government supporters. The process was similar to what was documented by a civilian in Aleppo: “Nine days from my window in Aleppo”.
  • Attacks on infrastructure. In December 2011, militants blew up the pipeline to Homs’ oil refinery, a major source of oil for the country.

In mid January, an Arab League report documented the results of their investigation. They said:

The Observer Mission witnessed acts of violence being committed against Government forces and civilians that resulted in several deaths and injuries. Examples of these acts include the bombing of a civilian bus, killing eight persons and injuring others, including women and children, and the bombing of a train carrying diesel oil. In another incident in Homs, a police bus was blown up, killing two police officers. A fuel pipeline and some small bridges were also bombed.”

Militants in Baba Amr destroyed government tanks and used their own tank to attack government forces.

On 2 February 2012, FSA militants attacked a government checkpoint, killing ten soldiers and taking another 19 as prisoners. That was evidently the last straw for the government. The next day, February 3, the intense bombardment of Baba Amr began.

Promoting External Intervention

Marie Colvin’s reports from Baba Amr had a political goal of spurring Western intervention. This is made clear in emails to her Sunday Times editor.

It is sickening that the Syrian regime is allowed to keep doing this…I think again to focus on Baba Amr, 28,000 defenceless under shelling…”
Under the Wire (pp 196-197)

Her reports were missing crucial facts, sensationalized the suffering on one side, ignored the suffering on the other side and demonized the government which was the target for overthrow.

In her interview with CNN, Colvin used the video of the dying little baby to urge western intervention. “That baby probably will move more people to think, ‘What is going on, and why is no one stopping this murder in Homs that is happening every day?”

In her final article for the Sunday Times Colvin says, “In Baba Amr, the Free Syrian Army (FSA)…. have virtually unanimous support from civilians who see them as their defenders.” This claims is highly dubious. The vast majority of civilians had left Baba Amr. All that were left were family members of FSA militants and others who had nowhere to go.

The bias in Marie Colvin’s reports and interviews was not unique. On the contrary, nearly all NATO and Gulf state reporting on Syria has been biased. Stephen Kinzer would later write “The media are misleading the public on Syria.” Patrick Cockburn would later write that “Nearly everything you have read about Syria and Iraq could be wrong”.

How Marie Colvin Died

Memorial for killed journalists, Syria (Rick Sterling)

It is claimed that Marie Colvin was intentionally targeted by the Syrian government. This is unlikely. Her death brought opprobrium on Damascus and helped the militant opposition. A few months after Marie Colvin’s death, a prominent British journalist reported that the same Syrian rebels tried to get him and his team killed.

“I’m quite clear the rebels deliberately set us up to be shot by the Syrian Army. Dead journos are bad for Damascus.”

It is also claimed that Syrian intelligence determined the location of Marie Colvin by identifying a satellite phone signal used in her interviews. This is false. Colvin told to her editor at the Sunday Times that the Thuraya satellite phones did not work. For her skype interviews she used the same antenna uplink used night and day by media activists in Baba Amr.

Marie and Remi were working in a battle zone, guided and effectively embedded with armed insurgents. Their deaths were another tragic consequence of the war.

Ten days after Colvin’s death, the militants and remaining civilians withdrew from Baba Amr. There was no massacre, just a street parade and celebration in other parts of Homs.

The deaths of Marie Colvin and Remi Olchik sparked many tributes and widespread publicity. Largely unknown in the West, hundreds of Syrian journalists have also died in the conflict. In a sense, they are all victims of the proxy war on Syria. In another sense, the equivalence is not fair. The war has been encouraged by some and imposed on others.

Rick Sterling is an investigative journalist based in the San Francisco Bay Area. He can be contacted at [email protected]

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Nick
Nick
Feb 29, 2020 11:47 AM

boo hoo, herself and Remi both got what they deserved. Propagandists of the West and their terrorist proxies in Syria. Loathesome scum. If an American journalist had embedded themselves with Iraqi insurgents in Fallujah in in 2004 and got killed by a US missile, they most certainly would not have made a fawning film about them on Netflix and got awarded $100m in damages in a US Court!!

Jihadi Colin
Jihadi Colin
Feb 24, 2020 4:52 AM

So let me get this clear: the same regime change warmongering propagandist who claimed that there were only civilians in Baba Amr also claimed that those civilians unanimously supported the “rebels” and saw them as their “defenders”? Do these liars even read their own lies to keep their fables straight?

miles
miles
Feb 18, 2019 2:19 AM

She was traveling crossing borders hanging with the al-Farouk Brigade of the defector Abdulrazak Tlas in Baba Am’r, the same brigade to which belongs Abu Saqar a.k.a the “cannibal of Homs” who ate the heart of a young fallen Syrian conscript.
What would you expect when you hang out with such people eating turkish and israeli rations,toilet with these donmeh dogs.
sleep in their hideouts doing their propaganda.

colvin an upmarket syrian danny tis all
a rabbi rupert murdoch puppet

a dog in the race well genie oil in syria golan has unkle murdoch on the board funny that

miles
miles
Feb 18, 2019 2:06 AM

So Marie sneaked into a sovereign country by being smuggled through the border with Turkey by what at the time was called the FSA but what we now know without a doubt they are paid mercanary killers for hire. So she sneaked into Syria Illegally and was shacking up with illegal armed militants in open rebellion against a sovereign government and she gets killed by some sort of artillery that u cant say who it came from cause there are 100 jihadi gangs already by 2012 fighting the SAA and this girls family think they can sue the Syrian government for 300 million??? Im not saying they did but EVEN IF the SAA did kill her when they were trying to kill the armed bandits its 100% HER FAULT.God rest her soul but when u enter ANY SOVEREIGN COUNTRY ILLEGALLY on this planet and u hang out/aid and sleep with… Read more »

charles drake
charles drake
Feb 17, 2019 6:56 PM

i met her a few times she seemed more of an actor than truth teller plotting and scheming as agents do. orla guerun,frank gardener these along with colvin all deep state assets. a freedom circus moving from country to country for next spring chatham house rape and murder. her family have just won hundreds of millions no doubt soon handed over from syrian government stolen assets nigel ferage on the radio stating loud and proud the usa and uk have beaten isis in syria and iraq what a scoop gosh and blimey a win a victory just by making a statement writing a lie. she may have been a boy or a girl maybe dead maybe not she maybe in birds little amerika who knows a weird one this zion with her moshe dyan patch theatrics words funded by royal united services institute where always suspect. whatever she did it… Read more »

vexarb
vexarb
Feb 8, 2019 8:14 AM

GreatBritain’s very own Vanessa Beeley wieldswthe Truth aginst Hollywoodthe Dream Factory.

“recommends we take a look at Kevork Almassian’s report on the suit filed on by Marie Colvin’s family alleging that the Syrian government deliberately targeted Colvin. The whole video is worth watching, but the last 4-5 minutes are particularly telling”

https://youtu.be/tO55XdJPMRg?t=765%5D

flaxgirl
flaxgirl
Feb 16, 2019 3:06 AM
Reply to  vexarb

vexarb, you make the mistake of accepting the media narrative at some level. The same applies to 9/11. So many truthers accept none of the 9/11 story except for death and injury. But the question arises: if so much effort has been put into establishing that the rest of the story is false why has so very little effort been put into establishing the truth or otherwise of death and injury? Why is that? If the rest of the story is false couldn’t the part about death and injury also be false – in fact, isn’t that the more likely reality when we can see the very obvious disincentive in that real death and injury would incur the wrath of all the loved ones and the injured themselves who would quickly be marching on the warpath to seek vengeance for murder by the state (or if they believe the fairytale… Read more »

flaxgirl
flaxgirl
Feb 16, 2019 3:23 AM
Reply to  flaxgirl

And just to add – it takes less than two minutes to work out that the alleged bombing in Kashmir is staged. It’s just so laughable how little effort they make. Truly. A splash of blood on the ground and the giveaway multiple of eleven dead – 33 – now risen to 41. Indian election coming up just as the UK election came up after Westminster, Manchester and London Bridge. Could they make it more formulaic? It does my head in how no matter where in the world they always follow the same pattern.

Why doesn’t Assad call out “Marie Colvin” as the bullshit it is just as Russia doesn’t call out the Skripals (even if if the ambassador utters ironic words?). It’s completely bizarre.

flaxgirl
flaxgirl
Feb 16, 2019 3:48 AM
Reply to  flaxgirl

And to add again. If the government uses these events for the election (I’m really not sure how they work in their favour but seemingly they do) why doesn’t the opposition party call them out? I emailed Jeremy Corbyn about Manchester. It’s way too obvious that it was staged so what does it mean? I cannot believe he doesn’t realise so why wouldn’t he call them out? None of it makes any sense to me.

JohnF
JohnF
Mar 1, 2020 6:43 PM
Reply to  flaxgirl

Because all of the World’s Governments are involved in the Kabuki Theater of Warmongering until they reveal the Aliens/Fallen Angels they are in bed with, just like Wernher von Braun stated:

“The last card that was being held was the Extraterrestrial Enemy Card”

“After the Threat of the Russians, After the Threat of Terrorism”.!!!

JohnF
JohnF
Mar 1, 2020 6:49 PM
Reply to  JohnF

The War of Terror has been going on for 18 Years since the ‘Skull N Bones’ Bush’s ‘New Pearl Harbor’ Staged 911 Event.

Paul Harvey
Paul Harvey
Feb 3, 2019 3:16 PM

If you have your sights set on becoming a multi-millionare in America, then suing a country that engages in “an extra judicial killing” seems the way to go (though I’m guessing if the country you decide to sue is a member of NATO and/or isn’t targeted for US style regime change then you may have a harder time getting the verdict of your choice rubber stamped.) What makes this brand new, US created law even easier to rule in your favour is the fact that no actual evidence is required, or to put it another way, it’s the quantity of so-called ‘evidence’ and not the quality. At least thats the case according to the presiding judge, Amy Berman Jackson of the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia who ruled that because the defence had gathered nearly a thousand pages of attached exhibits, declarations and ‘expert reports’, then an… Read more »

mark
mark
Feb 1, 2019 1:46 PM

In the latest piece of US lawfare, a US court has just ordered Syria to pay $300 million compensation for her death.
Maybe the same court should order the United Scumbags to pay compensation for the tens of millions they have butchered, maimed and starved over the past few decades. Or for the genocidal Zionist Regime to pay compensation for the ethnic cleansing of Palestine.

flaxgirl
flaxgirl
Feb 2, 2019 3:32 AM
Reply to  mark

I just saw the $300 million compensation thing myself in our illustrious, always-independent, truth-telling, SMH. What a huge joke when “Marie Colvin” doesn’t look as if she’s ever stepped a foot inside Syria. Hilarious! That’s the power elite for you. Rubbing their crimes in our faces and having a massive chortle over it. If anyone can point to imagery that doesn’t look staged or photoshopped and clearly shows “Marie Colvin” inside Syria please do. What I don’t understand is why Assad doesn’t call this out as a false-flag hoax. Why don’t any of them call each other out? They can’t because they all do it, I guess, but, at the same time, it’s as historian, Antony C. Sutton, described it, an Hegelian dialectic, http://www.mariohooijmans.com/conspiracy/hegelian-dialectic-and-the-new-world-order/. Just check out the history of this adventurous, highly-awarded, hard-drinking, thrice-married (or whatever) in Wikipedia which (as pointed out in http://pennyforyourthoughts2.blogspot.com/2012/02/marie-colvin-is-false-narrative-being.html) starts precisely on 22 February,… Read more »

flaxgirl
flaxgirl
Feb 2, 2019 3:47 AM
Reply to  flaxgirl

And just to add an amusing comment in response to Penny’s wondering how she’d never come across Marie Colvin prior to 2012 when she was a keen follower of the situation in Syria:

Interestinger and interestinger. As for never having noticed her, that’s not so surprising really. As if you’d remember that eye-patch-wearing, all-in-black, female Phillip Marlowe lookalike? Stick her next to Johnny Depp in the full Jack Sparrow rig and you’d never notice her.

http://pennyforyourthoughts2.blogspot.com/2012/02/marie-colvin-is-false-narrative-being.html?showComment=1329949915217#c201093604117475618

flaxgirl
flaxgirl
Jan 31, 2019 12:27 PM

Just like Maria Butina (https://off-guardian.org/2018/12/13/maria-butina-endgame/#comment-141136) and Marzieh Hashimi (https://off-guardian.org/2019/01/16/disbelief-magic-realism-and-doublethink-alive-and-well-in-2018/#comment-143776) Marie Colvin is a fabrication. Is there anything that identifies her as really being in Syria? All the photos of her look staged and the eye-patch is surely a big fat joke although I mean no disrespect to anyone who’s lost their sight. The facts of her last interview being with at-every-false-flag-hoax CIA agent, Anderson Cooper, and her journalism award send out screaming alarm bells. For sure, this ghost of a woman has to be an agent. I googled and found this blog post which is extremely illuminating. Always check people in Wikipedia – the history and other aspects of the article on them can be incredibly revealing. http://pennyforyourthoughts2.blogspot.com/2012/02/marie-colvin-is-false-narrative-being.html In the following blogpost the blogger expresses incredulity at the words of Marie’s mother about her death, saying they make no sense to her. Of course, they make no sense because nonsensical… Read more »

vexarb
vexarb
Jan 30, 2019 5:47 PM

Meanwhile, back in the real world, Rev.Nasr’Allah reviews the fruits of Natan Yahoo’s brilliant Wiley Coyote strategy against Syria, Hezb’Allah and Iran:

https://southfront.org/nasrallah-to-israeli-pm-any-more-syria-strikes-could-trigger-major-war-eng-subs/

vexarb
vexarb
Jan 31, 2019 6:05 AM
Reply to  vexarb

And Trump, not to be outdone by his ZioNazi son-in-law in the Yahoo regime at Jerusalem, has unveiled his own Wiley Coyote moment after tearing up the Iran peace deal:

Iran transfers 30 tons of yellow cake to Uranium Conversion Facility in Isfahan

https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2019/01/30/587232/Iran-uranium-enrichment-yellow-cake-nuclear-power

vexarb
vexarb
Jan 30, 2019 9:12 AM

“Daniel Rich BTL SyrPer #286070
2 days ago, Syria’s First Lady, Asma Assad, underwent surgery. Let’s pause a moment and wish Syria’s ‘Desert Rose’, her husband, H.E. Dr, Assad and their children, all the strength they need, to find safe passage through the treacherous cliffs of cancer.”

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins
Jan 30, 2019 11:45 PM
Reply to  vexarb

“Do not pray for an easy life, pray for the strength to endure a difficult one.” (B.Lee)

mark
mark
Jan 31, 2019 4:10 AM
Reply to  vexarb

The lying scumbag fake news MSM Lugenpresse like the lying scumbag Guardian were putting it out that this charming and dignified lady was some kind of shopaholic bimbo who had fled Syria, signifying that the country was about to fall to the west’s cannibal headchopping throatslitting proxies, according to plan. Let us all hope and pray she makes a full recovery.

vexarb
vexarb
Jan 30, 2019 5:34 AM

Meanwhile, back in the real world:

http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2019-01/29/c_137784771.htm

http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2019-01/29/CcrbeeE005020_20190129_CRMFN0A001_11n.jpg

“Assad remark during his meeting with Eshaq Jahangiri, vice president of Iran, who arrived in Damascus and signed economic cooperation deals with Syria.

The Syrian president said _the signed agreements hold a strategic dimension and constitute a solid economic base for Syria and Iran to face the economic war launched by the ‘Western’ countries_” [such as Australia].

Ron Chandler
Ron Chandler
Jan 30, 2019 4:35 AM

Sad this fool woman had to die, but the bald fact is is, SHE WAS A LYING CUNT.

mark
mark
Jan 31, 2019 4:01 PM
Reply to  Ron Chandler

She was just a Terrorist Groupie with a great deal of blood on her hands. Good riddance to the bitch. Like the Terrorist Groupie Jo Cox, who spent most of her time slobbering over the White Helmets. Maybe it’s poetic justice that she was killed in a terrorist attack herself.

Sav
Sav
Jan 29, 2019 9:57 PM

We all have to believe Marie Colvin was this amazing journalist……….because the rest of the MSM tell us so. It’s all theatre. They create the stage and tell us when to clap and when to boo. It was obvious she was lying about being at the hospital where the child was supposedly dying. The video was already on youtube and CNN used the same one during her report. In Libya she did the same but then she actually admitted she was watching a video off a phone. Also the prominent ‘activists’ she was with had survived all these bombings and were still running about well afterwards until they left the country. But Colvin & her colleagues end up getting attacked in no time at all? We’re supposed to believe that the Syrian govt were desperate to kill them while they weren’t bothered by the ‘activists’ making videos for months and… Read more »

Paolo
Paolo
Jan 29, 2019 8:40 PM

Leni Riefenstahl for the new millenium

charles drake
charles drake
Feb 17, 2019 7:07 PM
Reply to  Paolo

leni was a great artist one of the greatest ever female image makers.
colvin was an actor or maybe actress like joe cox mp a made up sim with back story.

like all bad acts they move on to the next gig scripted meme for oded yinon
she not dead
weird world innit

Maggie
Maggie
Jan 29, 2019 4:38 PM

Something I have pondered for some time is, how do our politicians avoid knowing about off Guardian? And if they do read the articles herein, then how do they live with their consciences?
I guess the lust for power and wealth is simply too much to resist..

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins
Jan 29, 2019 7:44 PM
Reply to  Maggie

“… how do they live with their consciences?” Politicians & Conscience sounds like a huge leap of faith today, Maggie , maybe even an oxymoron :- without exception, almost all the world is staged and just a stage, evolving continuously to provide additional privatised corporate resources, including Data with which to control the masses, with mind control which demands programming >>> try programming ‘conscience’ when we have not yet even programmed or formulated concepts for global moral standards that are universally applicable and enshrined in Law : which in turn comes to highlight, almost immediately, just how many politicians think they know best, (rather arrogantly), when in fact, they very quickly came to understand that they were always clueless from the beginning , about who, why, how & what constitutes any form of equitable future governance: which itself, centres presently essentially around controlling the “barbarous multitudes” of hungry masses by… Read more »

vexarb
vexarb
Jan 30, 2019 5:26 AM
Reply to  Tim Jenkins

@Tim Jenkins: “If just one British … politician had a conscience, they would be ”
expelled from the Labour Party — forever.

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins
Jan 30, 2019 11:09 PM
Reply to  vexarb

@Vexarb you said”… they would be expelled from the Labour Party — forever.” & I couldn’t help laughing & thinking . . . Small blessings , Vexarb , small blessings, freeing up time for putting lovely fresh firm balls of ‘Horseshit’ on the Roses, as time capsules for slow deliverance 🙂 & seeing clearly how we can be the change , quite simply , by means of a Stern ‘Geoffrey’ boycott of elections , along the lines of George Carlin , “on a few cultural issues” 🙂 angle, grinding ridicule, & refusing to vote for ANY political party that supports the official 9/11 TonyAndyPandy story, specifically the WTC 7 ‘collapse’. Controlled demolition of all present politicians & MSM assured: subsequent chaos G’Teed in military intelligence ! Lol, actually moreover , really just wanted to thank you for that exquisite slither of memory, research & analysis regarding Tonypandy , elsewhere: highlighting… Read more »

binra
binra
Jan 29, 2019 9:13 PM
Reply to  Maggie

Pigeon holing is not just classification, but emotionally charged associations. If you can find something in another that justifies disregarding anything else they say, then you can act as if you know they are not worth paying attention to. It isn’t a matter of simply seeing, but of the already invested identity, worldview and career and social status or inclusion. I don’t feel it wise to simply hate people for not seeing as we do regardless how it now seems clear to us. Perhaps we had our own ‘timing’ of experiences that brought a willingness to question things we once automatically reacted from as a ‘given’. Mind capture or mind control infers an element of external manipulation – but a corresponding pattern or ‘politic’ within our self will USE others as a basis for attack in the name of defence even if they are not intending attack. I don’t make… Read more »

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Jan 30, 2019 1:04 AM
Reply to  Maggie

Maggie: Exactly. They are just whores who sell their souls to mammon and those who really rule. They will say anything to get elected as the ‘people’s representative’. As Sav said in the above comment: ‘its all theatre and they (msm) tell us when to clap and boo’.

lundiel
lundiel
Jan 29, 2019 9:19 AM

I used to watch Ch4 news, thinking it was closest to my views, the Libya reporting dented my opinion, it was so obviously biased. The only true factual reports in the whole campaign were a couple of references to sub Saharan Africans being strung up, the video of Gaddafi being sodomised with a bayonet and Hilary Clinton laughing. Then, along came Syria and “activists” on the ground, given comms equipment by AVAAZ and credence by Ch4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XU_K9yiZ1yk Though I didn’t know who was funding them, I knew these earnest young men with fanatical eyes were lying through their teeth and I started to seriously doubt Ch4 and their neocon foreign correspondent Lindsey Hilsum. Then came “the boy in the ambulance” https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-40176781 The whole world cried after that one. I was doubtful, something about the way the first responder (white helmet?) casually brushed the dust from his face didn’t quite gel.… Read more »

Loverat
Loverat
Jan 29, 2019 9:41 AM
Reply to  lundiel

lundiel

There have been a few decent documentaries on aspects of what is going on. This is one (Carla Ortiz) the best I’ve seen – truthful, emotional and articulate. This was featured on the Jimmy Dore show.

If more of this stuff got out in the mainstream more people would be seriously questioning all these narratives.

Personally, I think all of us should be pulling our resources together more – there are some great ways to present the truth through great research and reporting, emotion and humour is powerful too.

lundiel
lundiel
Jan 29, 2019 10:06 AM
Reply to  Loverat

Thanks, I will watch it. I think that people have a problem understanding the sheer duplicity of America and her allies. For instance, I have difficulty getting people to believe that while America and allies are bombing ISIS in one part of Syria, American contractors are ferrying ISIS commanders to and from battlefields in another. It’s not as if this kind of duplicity isn’t commonplace: John McCain saying “Thank God for Saudi Arabia and Prince Bandar” two weeks before Prince Bandar was removed and never seen again. Bandar was up till the moment he was disappeared, the financier of american foreign policy in Syria. People don’t seem to want to believe it and if you don’t parrot msm, you’re a conspiracy theorist.

Arrby
Arrby
Jan 29, 2019 11:24 PM
Reply to  lundiel

“I think that people have a problem understanding the sheer duplicity of America and her allies.” That is a big factor mentioned by the late William Blum in his book titled “America’s Deadliest Export: Democracy.” People – who don’t care enough to know better – just can’t believe that their government is evil. (And they don’t even really grasp what ‘government’ means.)

binra
binra
Jan 29, 2019 12:08 PM
Reply to  lundiel

Once we truly see, we cannot ‘unsee’, and so part of what used to connect us to ‘the world’ is undone to reveal an horrific Beast from the Deep – but disguised in shape-shifting masking of deceptions within deceptions and denials within denials. My take on this is that this is a ‘mind; through which we perceive – or rather a purpose that structures such a mind and runs AS denial – and within which is a fragmented sense of entanglement and struggle. While the struggle seems winnable, all the king’s horses and all the king’s men go at it – but the ‘king idea’ is of an imposition and defence of order over chaos – as a segregative consciousness held against a chaos that of course not only refuses to ‘die’, but is fed and multiplied by the attempt to kill it. Chaos – like ‘evil’ is a judgement-reaction… Read more »

Maggie
Maggie
Jan 31, 2019 10:37 PM
Reply to  binra

Thanks for the ‘Whale’ link Binra. Sadly I didn’t up or down vote your post, because I could not understand most of it..
I understand the words….. but not the sentences they are formed into?
I wish I knew the key, because clearly you are super intelligent.

binra
binra
Feb 2, 2019 12:35 AM
Reply to  Maggie

Maggie If you feel something between the lines, then all you need do is be with that with where you are now without invalidating yourself or me. The world we are adapted to is also the mind in which we think. I am nothing in myself but when I don’t let thinking filter of block the mind – it works like a musical instrument or a singer. The mind’s attempt to assert, possess and defend ‘truth’ (control its experience) is how we are ‘getting in our own way’. So in a sense I am trying to attract a stirring recognition from a different presumption of being than the current ‘currency’ of exchange – but can only use the same set of symbols, words and phrases to do so. The only way to have a love is to live or give a love. We cannot ‘think’ love. When you are simply… Read more »

rtj1211
rtj1211
Jan 29, 2019 12:13 PM
Reply to  lundiel

I think large numbers have given up on the MSM, treating them as perjurers in court until innocence is proven. They have learned in whatever aspects of life they have expertise in that the media are inaccurate and distorting, so they assume it is the same across all subjects.

Finding independents is no guarantee of objectivity, but it is at least a point to start from.

binra
binra
Jan 29, 2019 12:46 PM
Reply to  rtj1211

Yes, it is a variation on the theme of the boy who cried ‘wolf’ becoming ‘mapped out’ as a credible witness. The other facet being that when the wolf is at the door, one’s cries are then unheeded and even laughed at.
The call for help is abused at our peril.

mark
mark
Jan 29, 2019 5:18 PM
Reply to  rtj1211

The reports of Vanessa Beeley and Eva Bartlett are pretty well essential reading for anyone who wants to cut through the MSM lies and find some truthful reporting. Two very remarkable women and fine journalists. Though I believe Vanessa may currently be in France covering the Gilets Jaunes.

Maggie
Maggie
Jan 29, 2019 1:48 PM
Reply to  lundiel

Vanessa Beeley
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQL3rX6xWRg

Ava Bartlet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfSrk2HfRN8
and Carla Ortiz https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCu8mNC1JyE&t=14s have been working tirelessly to get the truth out there.

Maggie
Maggie
Jan 29, 2019 3:54 PM
Reply to  Maggie

Why is my comment awaiting moderation?
Is it because I am directing readers to sites other than off Guardian?
A reader asked why more exposes were not being done, so I directed them to these sites?

Andy
Andy
Jan 29, 2019 4:16 PM
Reply to  Maggie

From the comment guidelines Maggie ‘Please note though that we do have an automated system that holds back any comment containing more than three hyperlinks. This is intended to help filter out spam. If your comment contains four or more hyperlinks it will be held back until we clear it, but it will be published eventually.’

mark
mark
Jan 29, 2019 5:12 PM
Reply to  lundiel

The slick Foreign Office bankrolled PR department of the “White Helmets” has 150 staff, courtesy of the British taxpayer. More than many of the world’s biggest corporations, Overthrowing sovereign states with your pet terrorist proxies doesn’t come cheap.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Jan 30, 2019 1:35 AM
Reply to  lundiel

Lundiel: AVAAZ and similar ‘activist organisations’ are gatekeepers for Imperialism, disguised at “humanitarian intervention”. A site called Wrong Kind Of Green fully exposes AVAAZ and others for what they really are, and who runs them.

Jihadi Colin
Jihadi Colin
Feb 24, 2020 4:56 AM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

A few years ago I put up a parody petition on Avaaz begging the world to save the poor heart eating cannibals unfairly targeted by the Assad “regime”. Last I saw Avaaz was yet to take it down.

Julie
Julie
Jan 30, 2019 3:50 PM
Reply to  lundiel

Vanessa Beeley and her truth about White Helmets as she was in Syria. Also Peter Ford, UK former US Embassador

Loverat
Loverat
Jan 29, 2019 8:26 AM

Maybe I’m giving too much of the benefit of the doubt here but I feel it is difficult to really be sure of the motivations of this journalist, despite the emails to her HQ. This was right back in 2012. There would have been alot of confusion back then as things were playing out. I think it took some time for many to realise this was a proxy war imposed on Syria rather than a complex civil war scenario. And if she was confined to a rebel area where there would inevitably have been casualities also, she may well have been innocently taken in by the propaganda and the emails were an emotional reaction. Journalists hardly ever venture into such areas nowadays and largely operate outside of Syria. But 7 years on, there is no excuse for any journalist not to know the main facts. No journalist should any longer… Read more »

Gary Weglarz
Gary Weglarz
Jan 29, 2019 5:50 AM

Thanks for sharing this. When the movie on Colvin came out and I saw the trailer I got that uneasy gut feeling that this was going to be yet another Hollywood propaganda moment used to further entrench the usual CIA regime change narratives. After a years of this stuff you can almost smell the propaganda even though there is only so much that can be shared in a brief trailer. I very much appreciate the backstory provided here as not being a “consumer” of MSM I don’t really remember Colvin’s specific reporting on Syria, though it appears clear it was simply part and parcel of the whole ugly Western psyop. Lies in service to the Western war machine. Strange how there were a half a million dead Iraqi children before Bush the Dumber even launched his invasion, yet I don’t know a single name, nor have I seen a single… Read more »

Francis Lee
Francis Lee
Jan 29, 2019 8:12 AM
Reply to  Gary Weglarz

During a television interview ex-US Secretary of State, Madeleine Albright was asked if she thought the deaths of 500 thousand Iraqi children under the age of 5 due to US imposed sanctions was ‘worth it’ – to which she replied ,’Yes, it was worth it.’ Mass murder of children was worth extending the hegemonic ambitions of the Anglo-Zionist empire! And yet no-one batted an eyelid. Moreover it is not commonly known. It is the neocons dirty little secret. Imagine the outrage if that had been Israeli children. Are these people human? I begin to doubt it. In fact I am beginning to give rational consideration to what I once believed was David Icke’s view that these people are really not human at all but a species of alien lizards who have taken on human form.

BigB
BigB
Jan 29, 2019 10:47 AM
Reply to  Francis Lee

Reptiles: or R-complex psycopathy confined to the reptilian brain, perhaps? Or more scarily, perhaps there is no major neurological difference? If there is a post-capitalist future, humanity would do well to study the effects of pooling group autonomy and self-sovereignty In competitive hierarchical systems …which effectively promote the worst of our traits …extremising them up to the apex 0.7% (the new “1%”). This is a de facto ponerological elitism. Supported by the consent of the base. One day humanity will be wise enough to tranversalise autonomy through an inter-relational society of societies of the base: as community of equals. Maybe. If and when we refuse to internalise non-autonomous voluntary servitude to ponerological elitism. Then there may be a revolution at the base of consciousness? Or we could continue to invest autonomy, self-sovereignty and consent to legitimate our own oppression? If anyone can’t see the way it is going: we are… Read more »

George Cornell
George Cornell
Jan 29, 2019 1:45 PM
Reply to  BigB

Evolution is a very slow process, with the history of civilization a tiny blip on its map. I take you to mean evolve in its more casual usage, meaning influenced change. I think you make an important point – that the various options are amenable to study and prospective studies are much more persuasive, tending to limit the confounders. So ask those questions now. But with ‘active transport’ being constantly required to tame self-interest and tribalism. Elitism has been at the heart and soul of the major advances in public health and medicine which have done the most to alleviate the human condition. Altering longevity in a major way seems distant in even the developed world. Now what looms on the horizon is decidedly more fraught than just eliminating disease. Gene editing in a world without firm sound moral values opens up all kinds species-threatening possibilities. Those who can do… Read more »

binra
binra
Jan 30, 2019 12:07 AM
Reply to  George Cornell

If you look at the evolution or development of human consciousness (I didn’t call it progress) for the current Epoch – ie to the prehistory of the ‘Mythic age’ to the birth of history as the worldview – and do not presume that you are now in the ‘real world’ you will I believe see that those core ‘mythological archetypes’ are the same patterns being enacted in more complex forms or more complex masking in forms assigned ‘reality’. Every one has always lived their own experience or perspective within the acquired and evolving identity, and the idea of progress is not inherent to human thought which was founded on a sense of ‘gods’ as Ages and epochs – but also as what we now call planets and have absolutely no real sense of WHY they dominated the consciousness of pre-history such as to make sky-watching the very basis or background… Read more »

BigB
BigB
Jan 30, 2019 8:38 AM
Reply to  George Cornell

George I’m glad you mention genetic drift: if just that random mutations in small populations shows that evolution can take happen over shorter time-frames than the geological. It also liberates us partially from competitive fitness and f#cking imposed regimens of belief. And the aggressive competitive ‘alpha’ individualist conceptual diktats of ‘natural’ hierarchies. The strict assertion of genetic determinism as a limitation of human nature is losing its grip. Environmental and epigenetic social factors play as much, if not more of a part in determining who we are. But you are right, I am not talking about biological microevolution per se, but about the evolution of consciousness. Without altering our biology, I believe we could consciously evolve quickly, very quickly – unlimited by deep evolutionary time. Although biological neuroplasticity will be a key factor. In fact, consciousness is not limited by time at all. What it is limited by is conceptual… Read more »

binra
binra
Jan 30, 2019 11:05 AM
Reply to  BigB

‘I am my own best friend / I am my own worst enemy’. We like to think the former and yet sooner or later uncover the latter. In using terms like ‘I’ are presumptions of associated belief – emotionally and physically reinforced. I see the ‘evolution’ of a defence reflex as a personal/social adaptation. How much room has anyone to fundamentally change from their acculturation or acquired personality of self-strategy? What is involved in accepting, opening and aligning in radical change – that is – a realignment from a deeper root than acquired strategies that served purpose but now limit, distort and obstruct? Is it not a kind of ‘death’ in terms of what we thought we were? Indeed a transforming passage through the fear of death. loss of self, power, or love in terms of who and what we think we are or habitually presume to be? So the… Read more »

vexarb
vexarb
Jan 31, 2019 8:31 PM
Reply to  Francis Lee

Francis, re Lizard People: In the Lowest Bolgia of Dante’s Inferno where the deepest villains live (the Avaricious, the Hypocrites, the Fraudulent, the Treacherous) there is a circle of Lizard Men: men who change into flesh-eating lizards who change into men who change into lizards in a perpetual frenzy of victims becoming killers becoming victims. I think of that as a symbol of what can happen if we cannot control the latent evil within ourselves. History has many examples of Victim People becoming Lizard People: for instance defeated WW1 Germany turning into Nazi Germany; and Jewish survivors of Nazism turning into ZioNazis. The quality that people call ‘Humanity’ (Ubuntu, from bantu or people) is only the ideal part of being human, but it is the best part. We must hold the Lizard People up to this ideal standard and reform them, or else they will destabilize the world and destroy… Read more »

binra
binra
Jan 31, 2019 10:22 PM
Reply to  vexarb

The model can be used to look at the deepest recesses of our mind and note: the reptilian brain is the fight and flight amygdala: brainmadesimple.com/amygdala.html ie: “When you think of the amygdala, you should think of one word. Fear. The amygdala is the reason we are afraid of things outside our control”. or from dictionary.com: “a ganglion of the limbic system adjoining the temporal lobe of the brain and involved in emotions of fear and aggression”. Emotionally driven mind is framed in archetypes of separation trauma as part of the core personality. Writing about it is nothing in common with experiencing it. But meeting the effects is to encounter the energetic – and the hateful generates a like resonse. Many commenters spew hate – but don’t feel so because they feel completely justified and righteous. The ‘gift shares on’, but first one has to be willing to receive it… Read more »

USAma Bin Laden
USAma Bin Laden
Jan 29, 2019 4:54 AM

The Anglo American and European “free press” in general are doing what they have always done: promote psyops disguised as journalism to demonize any “enemy” nation that the Anglo American Empire seeks to subjugate … behind the mask of freedom and democracy.

This was true during the Cold War.

And it is true after the Cold War.

Indeed, freedom itself is one of the great political deceptions upon which the American, British and their war criminal allies are founded upon as nations and as a people.

The Anglo Americans self-righteously pontificate about “freedom and democracy”–all the while blood is dripping from their lips.

And they try to reassure themselves that people outside the vaunted “Free World” don’t notice.

Like her countrymen/women, Marie Colvin was just another Anglo American crusader with delusions of her own moral righteousness.

And she found out the hard way that crusaders can be killed.

Jim Scott
Jim Scott
Jan 29, 2019 4:03 PM

I would not be surprised if Colvin was killed on the orders of Special Forces or CIA operatives in order to vilify the Syrian Government.

mark
mark
Jan 29, 2019 5:29 PM
Reply to  Jim Scott

Why not? The US deliberately bombed and targeted Al Jazeera, killing many of their staff. They bombed Serbian television, killing many. Many journalists have been deliberately murdered by Israeli snipers in Gaza. The Kiev Regime has killed and disappeared many journalist But don’t expect to see many Hollywood epics about any of them.

charles drake
charles drake
Feb 17, 2019 7:20 PM
Reply to  Jim Scott

why kill a valuable ashkanazi asset
her character died the goyim think animal assad killed her
scam new york court cases paid awarded out 300 million dollars of syriana sovreign wealth funds.

she or he gets a new shining actorly gig
simple

Antonym
Antonym
Jan 29, 2019 3:26 AM

In short, most Western mass MSM can now be regarded as biased / unreliable / spin outlets. Internet exposed them and their paymasters. They used to be held up as the shining examples of “Truth” to the East and South: not anymore. The “Pravda” and “the People’s” Daily have a lot of company these days. Still useful if you have a big paint job or fish to carry….