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The CIA Then and Now: Old Wine in New Bottles

Edward Curtin

And as the flames climbed high into the night
To light the sacrificial rite
I saw Satan laughing with delight
The day the music died
Don McLean, “American Pie”

The Nazis had a name for their propaganda and mind-control operations: weltanschauungskrieg – “world view warfare.” As good students, they had learned many tricks of the trade from their American teachers, including Sigmund Freud’s nephew, Edward Bernays, who had honed his propagandistic skills for the United States during World War I and had subsequently started the public relations industry in New York City, an industry whose raison d’ȇtre from the start was to serve the interests of the elites in manipulating the public mind.

In 1941, U.S. Intelligence translated weltanschauungskrieg as “psychological warfare,” a phrase that fails to grasp the full dimensions of the growing power and penetration of U.S. propaganda, then and now.

Of course, the American propaganda apparatus was just then getting started on an enterprise that has become the epitome of successful world view warfare programs, a colossal beast whose tentacles have spread to every corner of the globe and whose fabrications have nestled deep within the psyches of many hundreds of millions of Americans and people around the world.

And true to form in this circle game of friends helping friends, this propaganda program was ably assisted after WW II by all the Nazis secreted into the U.S. (“Operation Paperclip”) by Allen Dulles and his henchmen in the OSS and then the CIA to make sure the U.S. had operatives to carry on the Nazi legacy (see David Talbot’s The Devil’s Chessboard: Allen Dulles, The CIA, and The Rise of America’s Secret Government, an extraordinary book that will make your skin crawl with disgust).

This went along quite smoothly until some people started to question the Warren Commission’s JFK assassination story. The CIA then went on the offensive in 1967 and put out the word to all its people in the agency and throughout the media and academia to use the phrase “conspiracy theory” to ridicule these skeptics, which they have done up until the present day. This secret document – CIA Dispatch 1035-960 – was a propaganda success for many decades, marginalizing those researchers and writers who were uncovering the truth about not just President Kennedy’s murder by the national security state, but those of Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, and Robert Kennedy. Today, the tide is turning on this score, as recently more and more Americans are fed up with the lies and are demanding that the truth be told. Even the Washington Post is noting this, and it is a wave of opposition that will only grow.

The CIA Exposed – Partially

But back in the mid-1960s to the mid-1970s, some covert propaganda programs run by the CIA were “exposed.” First, the Agency’s sponsorship of the Congress of Cultural Freedom, through which it used magazines, prominent writers, academics, et al. to spread propaganda during the Cold War, was uncovered. This was an era when Americans read serious literary books, writers and intellectuals had a certain cachet, and popular culture had not yet stupefied Americans. The CIA therefore secretly worked to influence American and world opinion through the literary and intellectual elites. Frances Stonor Saunders comprehensively covers this in her 1999 book, The Cultural Cold War: The CIA And The World Of Arts And Letters, and Joel Whitney followed this up in 2016 with Finks: How the CIA Tricked the World’s Best Writers, with particular emphasis on the complicity of the CIA and the famous literary journal The Paris Review.

Then in 1975 the Church Committee hearings resulted in the exposure of abuses by the CIA, NSA, FBI, etc. In 1977 Carl Bernstein wrote a long piece for Esquire – “The CIA and the Media” – naming names of journalists and publications (The New York Times, CBS, etc.) that worked with and for the CIA in propagandizing the American people and the rest of the world. (Conveniently, this article can be read on the CIA’s website since presumably the agency has come clean, or, if you are the suspicious type, or maybe a conspiracy theorist, it is covering its deeper tracks with a “limited hangout,” defined by former CIA agent Victor Marchetti, who went rogue, as “spy jargon for a favorite and frequently used gimmick of the clandestine professionals.

When their veil of secrecy is shredded and they can no longer rely on a phony cover story to misinform the public, they resort to admitting—sometimes even volunteering—some of the truth while still managing to withhold the key and damaging facts in the case. The public, however, is usually so intrigued by the new information that it never thinks to pursue the matter further.”)

Confess and Move On

By the late 1970s, it seemed as if the CIA had been caught in flagrante delicto and disgraced, had confessed its sins, done penance, and resolved to go and sin no more. Seeming, however, is the nature of the CIA’s game. Organized criminals learn to adapt to the changing times, and that is exactly what the intelligence operatives did. Since the major revelations of the late sixties and seventies – MKUltra, engineered coups all around the world, assassinations of foreign leaders, spying on Americans, etc. – no major program of propaganda has been exposed in the mainstream media. Revealing books about certain CIA programs have been written – e.g. Douglas Valentine’s important The Phoenix Program being one – and dissenting writers, journalists, researchers, and whistleblowers (Robert Parry, Gary Webb, Julian Assange, James W. Douglass, David Ray Griffin, Edward Snowden, et al.) have connected the U.S. intelligence services to dirty deeds and specific actions, such as the American engineered coup d’état in Ukraine in 2013-14, electronic spying, and the attacks of September 11, 2001. But the propaganda has for the most part continued unabated at a powerful and esoteric cultural level, while illegal and criminal actions are carried out throughout the world in the most blatant manner imaginable, as if to say fuck you openly while insidiously infecting the general population through the mass electronic screen culture that has relegated intellectual and literary culture to a tiny minority.

Planning Ahead

Let me explain what I think has been happening.

Organizations like the CIA are obviously fallible and have made many mistakes and failed to anticipate world events. But they are also very powerful, having great financial backing, and do the bidding of their masters in banking, Wall St., finance, etc. They are the action arm of these financial elites, and are, as Douglass Valentine has written, organized criminals. They have their own military, are joined to all the armed forces, and are deeply involved in the drug trade. They control the politicians. They operate their own propaganda network in conjunction with the private mercenaries they hire for their operations. The corporate mass media take their orders, orders that need not be direct, but sometimes are, because these media are structured to do the bidding of the same elites that formed the CIA and own the media. And while their ostensible raison d’ȇtre is to provide intelligence to the nation’s civilian leaders, this is essentially a cover story for their real work that is propaganda, killing, and conducting coups d’états at home and abroad.

Because they have deep pockets, they can afford to buy all sorts of people, people who pimp for the elites. Some of these people do work that is usually done by honest academics and independent intellectuals, a dying breed, once called free-floating intellectuals. These pimps analyze political, economic, technological, and cultural trends. They come from different fields: history, anthropology, psychology, sociology, political science, cultural studies, linguistics, etc. They populate the think tanks and universities. They are often intelligent but live in bad faith, knowing they are working for those who are doing the devil’s work. But they collect their pay and go their way straight to the bank, the devil’s bank. They often belong to the Council of Foreign Relations or the Heritage Foundation. They are esteemed and esteem themselves. But they are pimps.

El Diablo

Ah, the devil! He’s their man. A man of many names, but always an impostor. These pimps know his story and how he works his magic, and this is what their paymasters want from them: ways to use the old bastard’s bag of tricks to conjure confusion, and sow fear and paranoia. And to do this slow and easy in ways no one will recognize until it is too late.

For like culture, propaganda relies on myths, symbols, and stories. Some prefer to say narratives. But nothing is more powerful. Controlling the stories is the key to powerful propaganda. The pimps can spin many a tale.

Tell people endless tales of the good guys and the bad, of how the bad are out to get you and the good to save you. Think of the use of symbols in the telling of these stories. They are crucial. The word symbol comes from a Greek word to throw together. Symbols that represent the in-group or the “good guys” are used to create social solidarity within the in-group. Stories are told to accompany the symbols; stories, narratives, or myths tell of how the good guys are fighting to hold the group together and the bad guys are trying to rip the community apart. The symbolic and its opposite – the diabolic (to throw apart) – the angels against the devils – el diablo. Very simple, very old. The aliens are out to get us. And el diablo is always the ultimate other, the man in red, the reds, the commies, the Russians, the others, immigrants, the blacks who want to move next door, Muslims, gays – take your pick. Satanic rituals. Black magic. Witchcraft.

Methods of Propaganda

Infecting minds with such symbols and stories must be done directly and indirectly, as well as short-term and long-term. Long term propaganda is like a slowly leaking water pipe that you are vaguely aware of but that rots the metal from within until the pipe can no longer resist the pressure. Drip drop, drip drop, drip drop – and the inattentive recipients of the propaganda gradually lose their mettle to resist and don’t know it, and then when an event bursts into the news – e.g. the attacks of September 11, 2001 or Russia-gate – they have been so softened that their assent is automatically given. They know without hesitation who the devil is and that he must be fought.

The purpose of the long-term propaganda is to create certain predispositions and weaknesses that can be exploited when needed. Certain events can be the triggers to induce the victims to react to suggestions. When the time is ripe, all that is needed is a slight suggestion, like a touch on the shoulder, and the hypnotized one acts in a trance. The gun goes off, and the entranced one can’t remember why (see: Sirhan Sirhan). This is the goal of mass hypnotization through long-term propaganda: confusion, memory loss, and automatic reaction to suggestion.

Intelligence Pimps and Liquid Screen Culture

When the CIA’s dirty tricks were made public in the 1970s, it is not hard to imagine that the intellectual pimps who do their long-range thinking were asked to go back to the drawing board and paint a picture of the coming decades and how business as usual could be conducted without further embarrassment. By that time it had become clear that intellectual or high culture was being swallowed by mass culture and the future belonged to electronic screen culture and images, not words. What has come to be called “postmodernity” ensued, or what the sociologist Zygmunt Bauman calls “liquid modernity” and Guy Debord “the society of the spectacle.”

Such developments, rooted in what Frederic Jameson has termed “the cultural logic of late capitalism,” have resulted in the fragmentation of social and personal life into pointillistic moving pictures whose dots form incoherent images that sow mass confusion and do not cohere. From the mid-1970s until today, this generalized disorientation with its flowing and eternal present of appearing and dissolving images has resulted in what is surely a transformed world, and with it, transformed worldviews. The foundations have collapsed. Meaning and coherence have become difficult to discern. Stable personality has been disassociated, memory downloaded, attention lost, the psyche materialized, sexual identity confused, the electronic mind-body interface established, and the electronic and pharmaceutical drugging of the population accomplished.

Really? Yes.

Did not the intelligence agencies foresee all this? Did not they see it and plan accordingly? Did they not notice that about the time their old dirty deeds were being exposed, a movie burst onto the screen that introduced a theme familiar to them and their Nazi friends? I mean the 1973 hit, The Exorcist, wherein Satan struts his stuff, four years after Mick Jagger strut his across the stage at Altamont, singing “Sympathy for the Devil,” while shortly after a killing took place down in front of him and the 1960s were laid to rest. But during the 1970s The Exorcist and its theme of the devil’s hold on people came to life and was taken up with a religious fervor by the entertainment industry and promoted by Oprah Winfrey, Geraldo Rivera, and other media luminaries, who went about promoting el diablo’s hold on so many helpless victims. Occult, magic, and satanic themes became pop staples and would remain so up until the present day. I would suggest that readers put aside their reservations at what may seem sensational and watch this video. Then ask yourself: what is going on here?

The CIA as Prophetic

But maybe a better question than did the CIA foresee these developments, would be to ask if it has been involved in the occult and satanic world itself, before and after the social developments of “liquid modernity.” The answer is yes. Indeed, all the characteristics of the social and cultural developments I mentioned previously in reference to postmodernity have been a major part of its work before this new world emerged: “the disassociation of stable personalities, memory erasure and the implanting of false memories, materializing the psyche, confusing sexual identity, establishing the electronic mind-body interface, and electronic, hallucinogenic (the CIA introduced and spread LSD in the 1960s), and pharmaceutical drugging,” to name but a few.

In anticipating these developments the CIA was at the very least predictive. Disinformation, acts of terrorism, coup d’états, assassinations flow out of a marriage to the Nazis made in hell – Talbot’s “devil’s chessboard” – but they are linked to much more. Peter Levenda, in Sinister Forces: A Grimoire of American Political Witchcraft, a trilogy on sinister forces in American history, puts it this way:

The CIA, satanic cults, and UFOs, the mythology of the late twentieth century is surprisingly coherent even though the masks change from case to case, from victim to alleged victim. The CIA, of course, does exist; their mind control programs from BLUEBIRD to ARTICHOKE to MK-ULTRA are a matter of public record. Their history of political assassinations and the overthrow of various foreign governments is also a matter of record. Satanic cults – or perhaps we should qualify that and say ‘occult secret societies’ – also exist and are a matter of public record; their attempts to contact alien forces by means of ceremonial magic and arcane ritual (including the use of some of the same drugs and other techniques as the CIA used in its mind control programs) are also well-known and documented.

Some of these practitioners were – and are – well-known men and women who have not denied their involvement (such as rocket scientist Jack Parsons in the 1950s and Army Colonel and intelligence officer Michael Aquino in the 1990s). The CIA also aggressively researched American cults and secret societies in an effort to discover the source of paranormal abilities and ancient mind control mechanisms. And while the jury is still out on the question of UFOs, there is no doubt that government agencies have attempted to track, to analyze them, and to explain them away. Again this is a matter of public record, including FBI and CIA documents in addition to military records.

Skeptical readers may find this strange to consider. That would be a mistake. The web of connections is there for anyone who cares to look. For more than fifty years occult themes and rituals have been part of world view warfare. Drugs, shamanism, black magic, and the occult – staples of the CIA then and now. It is well known that Hollywood, television, and the media in general have been working closely with the intelligence agencies for a long time. Especially since 2001, films and television programs have glorified the CIA, our “good” spies, and the military. The mystification of reality has found its best friend in the electronic and internet revolution as strange and “subversive” beliefs are dangled like candy for little children.

Good and evil move through the public consciousness like passing sun and shadows. Weird conspiracy theories “pop up” to titillate and obsess, and to drive out the serious findings of dedicated and disciplined writers and researchers who have discovered the truth about real government conspiracies. Sowing confusion is the name of this deadly game, and if you find yourself confused, you are in good company.

But many are catching on and realizing that what seems strange but innocent is part of a much larger effort to hypnotize the public to agree to their own destruction through the ingestion of what can only be called black magic.

The eloquent writer and brave American, Jim Garrison, the former District Attorney of New Orleans and the only person to bring a trial in the assassination of President Kennedy, put it this way in On The Trail of The Assassins, the story of his quest to solve the murder of JFK.
I knew by now that when a group of individuals gravitated toward one another for no apparent reason, or a group of individuals inexplicitly headed in the same directions as if drawn by a magnetic field, or coincidence piled upon coincidence too many times, as often as not the shadowy outlines of a covert intelligence operation were somehow becoming visible.

Rub Lucifer, the Prince of Darkness, the right way and the CIA emerges into the light. You can see its shadowy outline with your eyes wide shut. As it says on CIA headquarters: “You shall know the Truth, and the Truth will set you free.”

Edward Curtin teaches sociology at Massachusetts College of Liberal Arts. His writing on varied topics has appeared widely over many years. He writes as a public intellectual for the general public, not as a specialist for a narrow readership. He believes a non-committal sociology is an impossibility and therefore sees all his work as an effort to enhance human freedom through understanding. His website is edwardcurtin.com

74 Comments

  1. Robbobbobin says

    “I would suggest that readers put aside their reservations at what may seem sensational and watch this video. Then ask yourself: what is going on here?”

    What is going on here is just what happens when God is dead. It’s what has been going on for millennia whenever any god’s life support team quits the scene, either permanently–as in this post-enlightement era–or temporarily–as when Moses nicked off up the mountain to fabricate a couple of “wish you were here” stone postcards from an earlier version of the same deity only to find rampant metaphysical chaos and physical debauchery underway everywhere when he returned to give them to their intended recipients. So in the ensuing turmoil of our times the CIA has leveraged some of our chaos to further its own ends. Apparently someone called Billy Cogan is carving out his hunk as well. So what’s new? The void is a big place with plenty of room for tons of mindfuck. What smart operator wouldn’t?

  2. Joerg says

    Thanks to Edward Curtin for this excellent article – and his braveness to touch something, which usually is avoided to be put into a discussion. This Video (link in the article) “Does Society Realize It Is Being Initiated” puts the finger on this that usually we don’t want to talk about.

    Here a tip, if you have to argue with pro-Satanist:
    Such a guy once argued with me that “Lucifer” can’t be bad, because “Lucifer” means “light bringer” or “Light carrier” and I should understand that that is something good.

    When I looked this up, I found out that “Lucifer” was in the antiquity indeed assigned with a positive meaning. And even more: Even Jesus himself was called “Lucifer”: “However, unlike the English word, the Latin word was not used exclusively in this way and was applied to others also, including Jesus” ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer#In_Christianity ).

    What’s behind all that?
    To the old Greeks and Romans “Lucifer” was the son of “Aurora” (Greek: “Eos”), the goddess of the red morning dawn.
    For early Christians Jesus was also “Lucifer” = the light bringer. But than a Christian scholar, Oregens (* 185 n Alexandria; † around 254), obviously wanted to attack and to discriminate against the believers in the old Hesiodic religion, of which still where a lot in Greece and the whole Roan empire. This heinous attack of Oregens against the believers of the old Hesiodic religion, to blame them as adorers of “Satan”, now backfires. Speak of bad karma!

    So I avoid to call the devil “Lucifer”. Just call him “devil”, “Satan” “Mara ” Sheitan”.

    • Personally, I cannot take Satanic, Luciferian (or whatever name) stuff seriously, except for the actual torture, rape and sacrifice that happens in the name of it. It’s all a load of nonsense to me. How people can stand in circles wearing funny black clothes and doing all that super-ritualistic stuff, it’s just ridiculous. It’s probably simply seated in a desire to be in a “special group” and do “special things” making people feel that they have special “powers”.

      • Joerg says

        @flaxgirl
        PART 1
        Your problem, flaxgirl (and that of most others) is that You live in an illusionary world – not in reality. You think the world is made of materiel. But it isn’t. The world You experience is only “scenic” – not made of things. There is no material!
        It is only a product of Your 6 senses (5 senses plus thinking/reason as the 6th sense).

        Let’s say, You, flexgirl, were dreaming and in Your dream You see a car. Is it of material?
        You would agree, that it is certainly not. Because this is all in Your head. And with more than a ton of steel, rubber, glass, plastic in Your head You’d be dead instantly.
        Does the car, that You of course see only one side of (lets say the front and right side) have a back and a left side? Certainly not! Because this scene is made exclusively by Your visual brain (at the back of Your head) and it only produces this one side of the car. If You now, flexgirl, dream of another person on the other side of the car and he/she tells You he/she could see the back and left side of the car: Does the car now also have the other side?
        No! As soon as You wake up, You would know that there was no “other person” being able to “see”. You were the only one, who existed (and was able to “see”). Of course in Your dream there was the causality(!) that the other side gets into existence – if You walked around the car. But then the side You saw first will have disappeared.

        And now reality is the same like a dream, except that, unlike dreams, reality is strictly causal, while dreams are not and often totally irrational.
        This is why the Shakiamuni calls himself “Buddha”, which means nothing other then “the awoken”.
        Lets test this: If You, flexgirl, woke up and now go down to a little street you want to cross. And then there is a car approaching. Then You optical brain makes the scene (road, car, houses). And this car is of course not of “material” because with so much steel, rubber, glass, plastic in your hear You’d be dead instantly.
        And now You eyes follow only(!) this inside(!) product. They check the changes of the picture concerning the approaching car (like Your brain would also do in a movie). And another system of Your brain calculates the speed of the car and the time You would need to cross the little road. And another system of Your brain then decides.
        And if You get hurt by the car its not because it was of material, but because of causality. Like with a computer game. If You make the wrong decision Your Avatar gets hurt, killed or will fall into a trap with no escape. This not because of “material, its only because of causality! There is no “material” in a computer game!

        Buddha could only refer to dreams and not to computer games or movies, because his contemporaries didn’t know that.
        But this is why if we, flexgirl, would go to a cinema watching one of this old James Bond films, neither of us would afterward go back to this ticket-box and demand our money back from that lady there, complaining that ‘Bond and his girls had only always one side’ or ‘his nice Aston-Martin only always had one side – and wasn’t of material’. We wouldn’t even come to the idea to do this, because we hadn’t missed anything. This because real life is not different (just a scenic show of our senses).

        With the other senses it’s the same. Someone whose right leg has been amputated can very well have enormous pain in his “right foot”. And his attorney will sue the assurance. And the assurance will always retort, that that was impossible, because there was no more a right foot. But pain is in the head, produced by our brain.

        If you, flexgirl, get enervated by an ugly voice of another person – its Your own brain that is producing that. Because the swinging of Your eardrum is not a sound. Only the acoustic department of Your own brain is producing this!

        (Sequel follows)

        • Joerg says

          PART 2
          By the way: Since at least 2000 years Buddhists have changed Buddha’s teaching into a disgusting ‘believer-religion’ (in Sri Lanka and elsewhere even persecuting believers of other religions).
          And the Hindus stole Buddha’s comparison of reality with a “dream “. So to Hindus this world is nothing but a dream of Vishnu – Krishna being only his “Avatar”, like an “Avatar” in nowadays computer games. Or like Your “I” in Your dreams, flexgirl. But this isn’t Your “I” – in reality You are lying in Your bed snoring ahead.

          Buddha was a SCIENTIST, and realized that this is an “six-senses-world” or “inside-world” or “only-scenic world”. Those philosophers, especially these German philosophers like Kant, Marx and so on, failed totally – only David Hume came at least close.
          For nowadays scientist search for “youtube” and “Thomas Campbell virtual Reality” (I don’t necessarily always agree with him, but at least he “smells” something).

          But now to “Satan” – or as Buddhist call him: “Mara”. ( yes. you Feminists. a man!)
          As the world is not material – it also doesn’t function so! So Jesus could walk on water.
          Or look at this: ““MAGICIANS” PROVE A SPIRITUAL WORLD EXISTS – DEMONIC ACTIVITY CAUGHT ON VIDEO” – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fKrFeX8dRY .
          And, yes, magic exists. Also Satan/Mara

          But very rightfully author Edward Curtin and this nice couple, who made this video (link in Curtin’s article) warn against demonism. And I would warn also against magic, too.
          Why?
          Because this world is a “zero-game” (“Nullsummenspiel”). It was never “created”. Its only that all phenomenons are like plus and minus numbers that add to zero.
          So If “at the beginning” there was a creator-god – where did he come from? This doesn’t add up! Like stupid Karl Marx’ ‘at the beginning there was material’. Hello, Karl! Where does Your “material” come from??!! Or stupid Kant with his “Thing per se”! Hallo, Immanuel! Where do “things per se” come from?
          This world is nothing than a “Spreaded Not-Being” Or a “Being within a Not-Being”. So any exploitation (desire/greed, magic, sex, hate ) will hit You back in order to restabilize this “zero-system”. Its like causing debt and then being forced by an invincible power (“Karma”) to pay it back by suffering.

          Buddha: (Samyutta Nikaya – SN XII, 15 / SN ii16 – : https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/sn/sn12/sn12.015.than.html )
          ‘Everything exists’: That is one extreme. ‘Everything doesn’t exist’: That is a second extreme. Avoiding these two extremes, the Tathagata teaches the Dhamma via the middle

          • I’ve been watching a lot of Byron Katie videos lately and I get (at least intellectually) that it is all illusion. We have the present moment for an instant and then it’s gone – everything in the past is imagination and so is everything in the future and if the present moment is only for an instant then we’re almost always going to be focused on past and future, unless we guard against it – this isn’t exactly what she says, I’m just inferring. What she does say is that all our mental problems – and she means every single one – are caused by believing our stressful thoughts. I think she’s right. I’m not adding to my already sufficient list of stressful thoughts I believe with thoughts about Satanism, etc. Besides I simply cannot take it seriously. I can’t even get interested enough – except for the damage caused to victims, of course.

            I’m not prepared to watch the 2 hour demonic activity video but if you give me a point on the video of a single example that you think is compelling, I’ll watch that.

            • Joerg says

              @flaxgirl
              You may be surprised, but I totally agree with what You wrote here:
              1) “We have the present moment for an instant and then it’s gone – everything in the past is imagination and so is everything in the future and if the present moment is only for an instant then we’re almost always going to be focused on past and future, unless we guard against it
              Yes, indeed! Here what Buddha said to that ( https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/sn/sn01/sn01.010.irel.html ):
              “They sorrow not for what is past,
              They have no longing for the future,
              The present is sufficient for them:
              Hence it is they appear so radiant.
              By having longing for the future,
              By sorrowing over what is past,
              By this fools are withered up
              As a cut down tender reed.”

              2) “Satanism, etc. ….Besides I simply cannot take it seriously. I can’t even get interested enough“.
              Yes, You are absolutely right to do so. Or, the other way around: To get “interested” in these things would be totally wrong.
              Let’s take Buddha. But before this let me clarify: When I mention Buddha so often, I do this not because I ‘adore’ him or ‘even pray’ to him – like these stupid ‘believer-Buddhist’ nowadays do. I just mention him so often as let’s say, a Marxist would quote Marx very often, or a fan of Shakespeare would quote Shakespeare so often.
              Now to Buddha: Also Buddha never suggested to care about Magic. Yes. Magic exists, but Buddha said that a follower of his teaching should only behave and act as a “
              judicious human
              “. And a real human not only don’t care about magic signs or if a black cat crosses his way or if we had Friday, the 13th. A real human would even doubt that “magic” exists!

              So when I picked up this topic of “Magic”, I did so only because I am worried about this thing of “magic” as it is obviously spreading nowadays. Like with this fanatic religious Muslims (ISIS et al) or fanatic American Judaic fundamental Christians: I have nothing to do with that mentality – but I am worried.
              So, flaxgirl, If, let’s say, someone hang a evil demonic sign at my apartment door, I wouldn’t even care about it (like a “judicious human”)! And not at all would I rush to hang a magic ‘counter-sign’ or ‘antidote-sign’ over or next to it.
              On the other side a person, who let himself in to magic, may be forced to annihilate this ‘bad’ sign. Like if you sit down to play poker with others you then definitely depend on your and the other’s cards, on a strategy on remembering what cards are already out of the game and so on. But if you don’t sit down, there are no ‘cards’ your loss or gain depends on.

      • always write says

        ….you can’t take it seriously, but many do, just like capitalism wich in essence creates money, or credit out of thin air!….just like magic

  3. Joerg says

    @Admin/OffG
    Again my comment was not placed where I had put it, but put on top of all comments. I had posted my comment (https://off-guardian.org/2019/02/03/the-cia-then-and-now-old-wine-in-new-bottles/#comment-145310) as a “Reply” under “Michelle Adams'” comment (#comment-145300)

    The comment sector offers us users two ways to place a comment: If You have a ‘general’ comment you go to the bottom of the page and post your comment there. Then it will appear – if it is the newest comment – on top of all other comments.
    But if you want to answer to a comment of another user you push there button “Reply” and then what you posts appears directly under the comment you wanted to answer to. and that makes sense.
    But since several days this doesn’t function any more. All my last “Reply”-comments (I think 4) where either put on top (and not under the comment of some other user I wanted to answer to) – or if the user whose comment I wanted to answer to had himself commented several times – it appeared under the wrong one of his comments.
    I already informed You, ADMIN, about this some days ago (https://off-guardian.org/2019/01/30/venezuela-a-study-in-opinion-manufacture/#comment-145149)

    It would be great if You, admin, could fix your program that monitors the comment sector.
    Thank You!

    • Tim Jenkins says

      @Admin.

      Joerg has highlighted something I am now highlighting AGAIN . . . Admin was informed, even I asked you to move my comment to under the ‘lundiel’ comment, to give context !

      So, best take this request seriously, because the failure in programming is ruining the context of discussion & debate & train of thought, unnecessarily.

      Testing testing again, let’s see where this comment ends up under Joerg’s request, or just >>>

      “put on top of all comments” ?

      • Tim Jenkins says

        @Admin.

        Hmmm, over to you Admin, for an ‘integrity initiative’, towards ‘New Knowledge’ & common purpose of explanations , lol 🙂

        Head scratching all round at this moment seems quite likely , as my previous comment was neither misplaced nor falsely channeled or routed . . .

        “We know what is what , but we don’t know what is what , so we just strut , WTF ? ”
        (Fat Boy Slim) 🙂

  4. Joerg says

    @Michelle Adams
    Sorry, Michelle, but Edward Curtin is right: The Word “symbol” was borrowed from the Latin “Symbolum”, which itself goes back to the Greek “sýmbolon”. From Greek “syn” (= together) and “bállein” (= to throw). the meaning was ‘sign of recognition between friends’. This because for the “sýmbolon” the two friends broke a ring in two parts. And when they met later the ”sign of recognition’ was that the two parts fit together.
    (I looked this up in “Kluge, Etymologisches Wörterbuch”) .

    • Michelle Adams says

      And back before then? Before the creation of the Greek language? Ancient religion – the ‘original’ priesthood – the ones that gave us our languages, religions and cultures for the era. Definitely a ‘sign of recognition’ – a symbol recognised by the ‘chosen elite’ but not ‘seen’ by the profane.

      • Starac says

        Michelle,
        Your comment could be correct.
        However, you are splitting the hair, irrelevant to Edwards message.
        His explanation of the root of word SYMBOL is accurate and there is no need to go further than old greek.

        • Michelle Adams says

          Curtin talks of ‘esoteric” cultural manipulation through symbols. My point was that it did not begin with the tree branch, designated CIA, or from the front man, Bernays. Esoteric manipulation began far earlier than the old greek, and therefore, yes, we do need to go further.

          All the world’s a stage and the men and women in it, merely players” as the Rosicrucians said.

  5. nwwoods says

    Fun fact: Canada too abetted the escape of Nazis to the western hemisphere, to Alberta in particular, where Michael Chomiak resided in peace until his death in 1981, even though Polish intelligence was scouring the globe seeking to apprehend him to stand trial for war crimes since newly discovered Nazi document archives had revealed his official Nazi identity papers in 1966.
    As it turns out, he was the grandfather of Canada’s now Foreign Affairs Minister, Chrystia Freeland, who lied about his Nazi politics in her memoir, painting him as a victim of the Reich, when in fact he was a volunteer and edited the Nazi publication, Krakivski Visti (Krakow News) for which he was paid a handsome salary and provided an apartment taken from a Jewish family which was subsequently sent to one of the concentration camps where they perished. Freeland, of course, claimed that the fact that she had willfully distorted the truth was “Russian Disinformation™”.

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    • George cornell says

      So finally, what has happened to every blog, degeneration into Nazi trivia contests. This is about the twentieth time the story you relate has been presented on this site. He edited a Nazi magazine? I am not going to defend the indefensible. But what would you have done under the circumstances? We’ll never know and I am sure you don’t either. And you know he knew who had had his apartment? Is this Hasbara? Is this some kind of self-righteous sanctimonious virtue-signalling? Are you from a peer group where you get rewarded for this?
      I have seen and been close to several moral dilemmas and I have learned to my disappointment that the majority of the time, personal expediency rules. Maybe you would have been part of the minority, maybe not.
      Now what does this have to do with the CIA, and its opinion-creation, the topic of the article! if you don’t mind me asking? Seems completely irrelevant, unless I am missing something. It is not a fun fact. It is tangential unproductive malice, is it not? I suppose you have done this often but have never been challenged on it. Surely there are other outlets for you.

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      • bevin says

        The story is not being retailed as gossip. But as an important indication of the sort of foreign policies that the US and its allies have been pursuing since 1947. Policies designed to protect the rich few from the exploited many.
        Chomniak was not subjected to de-Nazification because he, as a high ranking Ukrainian fascist, had useful connections for those who were inserting terrorist groups-of Ukraianian fascists- into the Soviet Union.
        As Nikhil Pal Singh writes “..A covert anti-Soviet destabilisation campaign in Eastern Europe, greenlit by Forrestal and Kennan enlisted Ukrainian partisans who had worked with the nazis. That was seventy years ago but the foreign policy has not changed: the policy of destabilising Russia by employing Ukrainian fascists is still a small but important part of the campaign to defend the US centred empire against those who would attempt to share the wealth of the planet on an equitable basis, those who would challenge the few on behalf of the many.
        Freeland is doing exactly what her grandfather did- working for the Empire. And if all she were doing was to harbour malicious thoughts nobody would care, but she is playing with the lives of millions of Venezuelans, promoting economic warfare against civilians, children, women, working people, being starved to make them desperate, being deprived of medicine in the hope that they will become violent.
        This is more than an ambitious careerist climbing a ladder to international office, applauded by the Boltons, Pompeos and Abrams of this world, this is someone doing evil on a scale that Mr Chomniak never dreamed of. He merely comforted death squads and apologised for genocide. Freeland is in the administrative class, swaggering around Ottawa egging on those stealing Venezuela’s wealth and pensioning those ready to bring down the government.
        So is this not a good time for honest people to bear witness to the effect that every crime will be remembered and that, while forgiveness is a wonderful thing, complicity is a crime?

        • Tim Jenkins says

          Well put , Bevin: i think i’ll just inform George about my ex-Uncle Max , who was ex-S.S. after WW2 & then fled ASAPhysically possible to Vancouver B.C.

          😉

      • Tim Jenkins says

        Hi George,

        I hope you read Bevin’s more than adequate rebuff towards you and take time today to consider.

        I too , have seen and been close to several moral dilemmas and I have learned to my disappointment that the majority of the time, personal & CORPORATE expediency rules.

        Sorry to correct you, but it serves absolute clarity. If in doubt, please research IG Farben , Monsanto & Bayer chemicals, before responding :- furthermore,

        Perhaps you might like to hear my opinions & tales on triple ex-Uncle Max Lindenthaler (he’s dead) and from my ex-wife’s side, (her mum’s brother) , who was ex-S.S. from Innsbruck , Austria and who fled to Vancouver B.C. , Canada , directly after WW2 , as soon as physically humanly possible ? Let me know, if yer’ interested. Meanwhile,

        Please try not to provoke wars within these pages, with accusations of an agenda to ‘nwwoods’, when his comment was clearly meant as a trade mark of black humorous twists >>>

        “Russian Disinformation™” / Weltanschauungskrieg >>> Deep Stated Fakt ! .,. which you should clearly understand by now , at the very latest, is an express policy of our not so lovely deep state phoney friends at the CIA, Mossad & GCHQ , who are keen to distract from their financial ruin and official Debt Clocks that are ticking wildly out of control ‘ off the wall & wholly incalculable , with no mathematical foundation:- logically speaking, the only course of action that remains is propaganda and more War , like invading Venezuela ? ! ?

        We all have bad days, George: so no grudges, on my side >>> your comments are largely pertinent, (lol).

        Kind regards,
        Tim

        Ps. if only OFFG had profiles of each person’s comments, individually , it would be easier to assess ‘nwwoods’ intentions and any feelings you or I may have, after studying patterns of collective responses: but, as it stands alone, his comment is related in the abstract and should be construed as quite a reasonable observation, even if it mentions the dreaded ‘N’ word 🙂 That Canadian Foreign Minister qualifies as an ‘N’ , either way and you can add a ‘P’ 4Prostitute , if you get my, bevin’s & nwwoods’ drift ?

        P.P.s. Canada will do anything to distract from the situation with China, right now by George ! A case which clearly demonstrates that Canadian Politicians are just hypocritical sock-puppets, with zero respect for their own Laws or independence of mind. If I were Xi, i’d arrest a few more Canadians, just for Fun with Freeland, as bargaining tool , just like Trump’s methods of negotiating, only i would invite her to Beijing for talks, then kidnap her as well and tell Trudeau to do the right thing and stop sucking CIA ??? Dick Gregory would have said it best . . . I can’t find the right word, right now.

        Then Technology can move on, without Intel having a monopoly on fishy CIA business & CHIPS !

        “You shall know the Truth, and the Truth will set you free.” with Intel inside !!!

        Maybe, just maybe the Chinese & Russians & many other nations don’t want Intel Chips & the CIA, inside their laptops , computers , databases & supercomputing potential and you can call me stoooopid’ , but I certainly would not want intel inside, if I had the choice ! ?

        Fancy the CIA’s game of Monopoly ?

        Itsa’ a devil of a game, when you can just keep underwriting the bank willy nilly : very silly, when we could just go and peacefully occupy Regents Park Zoo and ask who let the dogs out and dumped them in Threadneedle St.

        The board game Monopoly debuted in 1935. Not too long after the Federal Reserve system was created in 1913.

        But what many people don’t know, is that it was the game’s top-hatted icon, Rich Uncle Pennybags, who originated the scheme that the world’s most-influential central bankers are following today.

        (Indeed, it’s a scheme that real-life bankers — Janet Yellen, the U.S. ex-Federal Reserve chair; Mario Draghi, the European Central Bank president; and Haruhiko Kuroda, the Bank of Japan governor — used to keep the currently over-indebted global financial system afloat, for as far as the eye can see and the propaganda continues to ‘rub off’ & ‘scrub off’ Values & Trust.)

        Indeed, so absurd the mathematics: simply worthy of repetition ‘it’s a scheme that real-life bankers — Janet Yellen, the U.S. ex-Federal Reserve chair; Mario Draghi, the European Central Bank president; and Haruhiko Kuroda, the Bank of Japan governor — used to keep the currently over-indebted global financial system afloat for as far as the eye can see.’

        That’s why, as ‘Captain’ of the Safe Money Sputnik HELP ME (@MySpace-ship Enterprise) , it’s important that I share with you what the central bankers are doing and, above all, what their Monopoly-money-like policies mean for you, your pension and your future course of actions, for timing any ‘enterprising ports of call’,

        It’s not surprising that you can even find “Monopoly money” defined in the Oxford English Dictionary as “money regarded as having no real existence or value.”

        Legend has it that it was Uncle Pennybags who inserted the following clause into Monopoly’s rules to ensure that there would always be a game winner:

        **********
        “Some players think the bank is bankrupt if it runs out of money. The Bank never goes bankrupt. To continue playing, use slips of paper to keep track of each player’s banking transactions — until the Bank has enough paper money to operate again. The banker may also issue ‘new’ money on slips of ordinary paper.”

        **********

        As I love to say, today 🙂 “Life is so simple, when you understand it ..” 😉

        >>>>>> good Mourning 🙂 Monopoly Money <<<<<>>>>> “SQUiRREL” >>>>>>
        <<<<<< "it went that way !" <<<<<<
        (Uncle Pennybags 😉 )

        file:///Users/timjenkins/Documents/Screenshot%202019-02-04%20at%2017.01.59.png

        (Just in case somebody cannot remember Uncle Pennybags, looking bluer than 'Blue in Face')

        • Robbobbobin says

          Sounds like you don’t know a lot about the history of the game of Monopoly.

  6. Michelle Adams says

    “The word Symbol comes from Cymbal, —- the sign of the Sun in all of the ancient world religions. The musical Cymbal is still round and shiny and made of brass. Priests in the Middle East and India used small ones in processions when they acted out the zodiacal precessions in earthly drama. When calling the people to temple ceremony, a large fixed Cymbal was used, supported within a raised tower. When the heavenly drama was updated (re-veiled), the Simily (from Latin”to ape or copy”) of Bal, Baal, Ba-el was retained in the form of a Bell.”

    The Androgynous (Hermaphrodite) Agenda
    Alan Watt (www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com)

  7. BigB says

    Process philosophy is an ancient worldview. It is taking a new lease of life as the basis of a paradigm shift away from reductive analysis: of hierarchical taxa of independent, fixed, substantive entities. Entities like you and me. How do we exist? What is our relationship? Separated: as permanent individuated objects, temporally extended in space and time? Or in flux of durationless processual becoming?

    When shorn of its New Ageist fantasies (can I manifest $1million?): the serious alignment of science and spirituality as a new emanation of the perennial philosophy is, for me, the future. Or should I say the present: as Buddha and theoretical physicist Carlo Rovelli co-dependently assert – there is neither past or future?

    Loop quantum gravity are three random words stuck on a page to me. But I do understand process: it makes much more sense to me than any notions of a fixed durational entity. Anyone who is of a meditative bent; who looks deeply into the nature of reality – the mind/body nexus – generally attests to the unfindability of anything fixed, durational, or foundational. All that can be found is change – the flux of the creative process. Which agrees quite well with quantum reality, neuroscience, and of course – perennial Wisdom.

    If I’m going to frame a new emergent reality – then there is no present either. We live in a present-future predictive process – according to the latest neuroscience. Rather than realities based on the ideas of a computational representation of a pre-existing phenomenal ground (subject is dependant on pre-existent, mind-independent, objective ground): subject and object co-arise in consciousness. There is no before and after the experience. Except another emergent ‘occasion of experience’. Neither subject pole or object pole are privileged or pre-existant: they are co-dependently arisen and co-mutual. Internal and external are diffuse, conventional modalities that are actually inter-fused. There is no substance or process duality: no mind/body/material or subject/object split. There is no dualist ontology; nor a monist ontology – all there is is the suchness (is-ness) of process.

    The entailments of Process are too profound and far-reaching to list. I’m not sure that they have even been fully worked out yet, Nondual egalitarian politics is a figment of our collective imagination …but it will materialise (unlike the million dollars).

    The Cartesian disembodied body politic will fight red in tooth and claw to deny the secular Process. Or even the theistic Process – as expounded by our very own David Ray Griffin. We can argue the theism/trans-theism points later. The current point is a revolt against hierarchical, sectarian, duality. I call this a ‘revolution at the base of consciousness’. Which is often rendered in Zen as the ‘turning of the light’ – asraya paravrtti – away from the dualistic perception of separate objects …a return to the source of holistic consciousness. Without stretching the Sanskrit too far: I could say – return to embodiment; embodied (enactive) revolution; or conscious return …a return to holism and the creative process our encultured duality has denied us so long. Who wants to return to reality? The revolution is already in process.

  8. BigB says

    Does the CIA make maximum use of everything it can to wage total weltanschauungskrieg – its “world view warfare.”? Of course.

    Did the problem of human evil – as manifest in drugs, shamanism, black magic, and the occult – start in 1947? Then we are looking at a pre-existing problem, one that the CIA merely catalysed for its own purpose. Therefore, the link with the CIA is merely correlative, not causal.

    What is the validity of the fixed, stable, worldview that the CIA has undermined? Was it not already challenged by its own objective empirical science? The fixed, stable, foundational, and essentialist worldview – the Cartesian/Newtonian/Darwinian Enlightenment synthesis – is neither fixed or stable, nor has it a reductive foundation or essentialist qualities. At the quantum level: it is not only more absurd than we know – it is more absurd than we CAN know [to paraphrase Heisenberg].

    “The reality we can put into words is never reality itself.”
    ― Werner Heisenberg

    This echoes Nagarjuna – who was a Buddhist philosopher, not a physicist:

    “What language expresses is nonexistent.
    The sphere of thought is nonexistent.
    Unarisen and unceased, like nirvana
    Is the nature of things”
    – Mulamadhyamakakarika (MMK) Chapter 18:7

    Which, by way of brief interlude, is to say that the world view warfare predates the CIA by several thousands of years. In fact, modern man – as a fixed, durational, temporal and substantial entity – is a relatively recent invention (modernism). One that persists, despite mounting evidence to the contrary.

    So the world view warfare is ancient: the fixed, permanent, independent, dualist worldview versus the process, impermanent, interdependent, holist worldview. By the objective standards of its own empiricsm: the dualist (Enlightenment synthesis) worldview should give up – process, creativity and dynamism win. Not that you would know. It is fighting back. Our institutionally and constitutionally imposed dualist autocratic system shows no inclination to change. Probably because in a dynamic systems process – no part of the system can be privileged. Otherwise: bye,bye, hierarchical oligarchy …hello, processual peace and egality.

    Do not misinterpret me that I think the CIA are doing humanity any favours. They are not. They are protecting privilege (Capitalism’s Invisible Army) in a profoundly anti-human way. But the world view warfare is much bigger, and more ancient, than an ‘us v the CIA’ framing would suggest. There is a temporality of rule (dualist) ontology versus the spirituality of egality (holist) ontology warfare raging since time immemorial. Humanities best interests lie in the process as opposed to the fixed.

    Embrace change: the universal constant.

    • Mikalina says

      Smoke and mirrors.

      ” modern man – as a fixed, durational, temporal and substantial entity – is a relatively recent invention (modernism)”

      This is not how we define ourselves – it is what we are TOLD we are; whereas we are being/have been altered to the point of brain damage in order to be controlled by the ‘big boys’.

      Embrace change? Isn’t that they said to that frog as the water temperature slowly rose around him to the point of boiling?

      • BigB says

        Surely you don’t actually accept that we are told who we are? Ideology defines us, and we find ourselves reflected in it …but only inasmuch as we recognise it in ourselves. We may be limited, but we do have an autonomy of choice. And veto authority: to choose what not to believe. We are not quite brainwashed fatalistic automata yet.

        I guess boiling frogs can’t project the scenario they are in, and think it through to the logical end? But we can. It’s really not hard to extrapolate from present to future scenario …but it is not fixed and deterministic trajectory. It’s one that we can change.

        I’m sorry, but I could never agree that the “big boys” have all the power. Including the power to determine our future …that’s self-defeated BS. They are more like the Wizard in the Wizard of Oz …narcissists hiding behind a screen of cliches, speaking through an amplified media. Their power is our illusion. Built-up from our seeming separateness and acceptance …but that can change. We can be the change …ain’t no one else gonna do it for us.

  9. bevin says

    Once again I am compelled to suggest that we put this into perspective. While techniques change and practise perfects there is nothing new about the realisation by exploiting minorities that, in order to protect themselves from their victims, they need to control the minds of the population.
    The history of mankind is, to a large extent, the history of the ways in which the exploiters calm the resentment and anger of the exploited.
    What is different about the current situation is that, for the first time in centuries, the exploited are not organising themselves around their own independent cultural institutions: schools and media.
    The tradition of which Tom Paine and William Cobbett were a part has disappeared: the Labour Party may have three quarters of a million members and supporters but it doesn’t have a daily paper, or a weekly or a magazine. It doesn’t have its own independent distribution network, nor does it have a political education system, as the SPD did 100 years ago, with University equivalent work at the top and mass youth groups at the bottom.
    Instead we have various web sites and social media networks, all of them under the control of predatory capitalists hand in glove with a proto fascistic state.
    I guess that the enormous success of using The Guardian as the semi-official organ of the Labour movement worked so well it made an independent press unnecessary.
    Since 1945 hundreds of millions of pounds have been spent by the Unions and the Labour Party, most of it completely wasted and ending up in the pockets of corrupt officials and operatives, but when a crisis like Venezuela breaks out not only has there been no groundwork, in the form of careful monitoring of what was taking place over decades, and no honest news reports for working people to follow but there is no process of drawing lessons, extracting the meaning from events.
    Not surprisingly, while the exploiters have prepared the ground for their coup by regularly telling lies about Venezuela and doing so without fear of contradiction, the responsibility of telling the truth is left to freelances and individuals most of which, like this site, are quite obscured from the mass of people. Thus it is that it is so very easy for the ruling class to convince public opinion of the necessity of its actions, even when, as in the case of Ukraine, Nazis are employed or, as in Gaza, the criminality of Israeli actions are so clear that they are undeniable.

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  10. George Cornell says

    I like old wine. How about corked wine in new bottles?

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  11. BThePrisoner says

    To the books cited in this brilliant post of Edward Curtin please consider “The Age of Surveillance Capitalism; the fight for a human future at the new frontier of power” by Shoshana Zuboff. Why? It shows the 15 to 20 year head start the CIA-type powers, in both private and public sectors, have in our subjugation. We’ve seen the results of Industrial Age reactive powers on humanity during most of the 20th.Century. Add now the societal and human impact from the predictive powers of AI surveillance capitalism We have our work cut out for us.

  12. mark says

    One difference in CIA behaviour since the 70s not highlighted in the article is the way the CIA has set up bogus charities, controlled NGOs, human rights groups and the like as Front Groups to serve their objectives as sham independent organisations. Prime examples being Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, Medecins Sans Frontieres, Oxfam, Save The Children, The Red Cross, and countless others, together with the activities of people like Gates, Bono, all the Hollywood virtue signalling elite. Some of these like the Red Cross predated the CIA but all have been co opted and hopelessly compromised and corrupted. Nobody should give a penny to any of these organisations. They are incredibly destructive agents of US imperialism and corporate exploitation. They have the blood of millions on their hands and have caused incalculable suffering.

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    • George Cornell says

      Mark, I am guessing you have not a shred of evidence linking Gates to the CIA, because there isn’t any.
      Last time you were claiming it was impossible for him to have given away all that money because his net worth had not changed that much. When I challenged you on it, you did not reply. You obviously did not explore it, so let me be more clear. It has to do with stock market valuations, just like Bezos.
      I won’t say more, but there is plenty.

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        Dear GC,

        Sorry, I didn’t see that. A few years ago I heard that Gates and Buffett had given away virtually all their money, 90% plus, for charitable purposes, and were just keeping the odd billion for themselves. I didn’t think much of it, but mysteriously every year after when the Rich List for the year was published, they were still up there at the top. Just struck me as strange, you give away 90% plus of your money and you’re still No.1 or No.2 richest man in the world. And from year to year their wealth was reported as having risen from $50 billion to 60 billion to 70 billion. Unless this is some mysterious quirk of mathematics beyond my feeble brain it doesn’t smell quite right. I’d be grateful if you could explain it to me with your superior intellect or knowledge or whatever.

        I can’t say if Gates has connections to the CIA, just that his activities serve corporate, globalist, and US imperial interests under the guise of charity, like the penetration of Africa by Monsanto and protecting the interests of the big drug monopolies, amongst other things.

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          Particularly in the aggressive promotion of abortion and vaccines.

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  13. Andy says

    A scrubbed confession on interference in Chili from the CIA website itself, with their own disclaimer, its not all they got up to in Chili.

    https://www.cia.gov/library/reports/general-reports-1/chile/

    I commented this on a thread about Venezuela on ‘The labour party forum’ last night. I followed this up with a comment about patterns not being whataboutery and this text

    PETER KORNBLUH: Richard Nixon and Henry Kissinger launched a preemptive strike against Salvador Allende. They decided to stop him from being inaugurated as president of Chile. He hadn’t even set foot in the Moneda Palace, when Nixon and Kissinger just simply decided to change the fate of Chile. Nixon instructed the CIA to make the Chilean economy scream, to use as many men as possible. The first plan was to actually keep Allende from being inaugurated as president. And then, when that plan failed, after the assassination of the Chilean commander-in-chief that the United States was behind, General René Schneider, Kissinger then went to Nixon and said, “Allende is now president. The State Department thinks we can coexist with him, but I want you to make sure you tell everybody in the U.S. government that we cannot, that we cannot let him succeed, because he has legitimacy. He is democratically elected. And suppose other governments decide to follow in his footstep, like a government like Italy? What are we going to do then? What are we going to say when other countries start to democratically elect other Salvador Allendes? We will—the world balance of power will change,” he wrote to Nixon in a secret document, “and our interests in it will be changed fundamentally.” ‘

    and the link to its source

    https://www.democracynow.org/2013/9/10/40_years_after_chiles_9_11

    This follow up was removed twice as was a screenshot I did of the second attempt. I am still in the process of trying to assertain if page admins or facebook or ? are the party responsible. :-/

    • summitflyer says

      I happen to be going to Chili shortly.But a correction from your post .Salvador Allende committed suicide in the presidential palace as it was burning due to constant bombing .He just did not want to give the usurpers the pleasure of torturing him I can only surmise .See John Pilger “The War on Democracy” http://johnpilger.com/videos/the-war-on-democracy
      Cheers .

      • Andy says

        Hi, it might be confusing as a transcript of part of a larger interview, but I don’t read that it said he didn’t commit suicide. 😕

  14. Secret societies, satanic practices including child sacrifices and child rape and torture by the power elite are very well testified to by a number of people including Kay Griggs, wife of secret society member, Dutch former high-finance operative turned whistleblower, Ronald Bernard, Australian victim, Fiona Barnett and quite a number of other victims. The CIA and presumably all intelligence agencies are completely tied up with the power elite. To deny this is to deny testimony of many people who have absolutely nothing to gain and everything to lose including their lives.

    After studying 9/11 for 5 years I suddenly realised that the way propaganda is implemented is far more sophisticated than I had any idea of. Although we’ve tended to drop the common collocation “mass propaganda” in favour of simply propaganda the idea that propaganda is a blunt weapon aimed at the masses is completely false. Propaganda is very specifically targeted at the various groups within the population that the power elite have clearly identified and they know EXACTLY how these groups will respond to the information put before them. They lead us ALL around like dumb bulls with nose-rings – those of us who know we’re being lied to and those who don’t. The interesting thing is that they can present information to all groups within the population knowing that only the group they’re targeting will pay any attention while the rest will simply ignore it.

    For 9/11 there has been a concerted propaganda campaign aimed only at the truthers whose sole purpose has been to keep alive the biggest lie of 9/11: that 3,000 people died and 6,000 were injured on 9/11. This campaign has worked spectacularly! Especially when you look at the paucity and ridiculousness of the visual evidence for these 9,000 people. It’s simply astounding. I mean, I knew about staged death and injury for Sandy Hook, Manchester and many other events and yet I still swallowed death and injury for 9/11 even when I’d read some of Simon Shack’s work (he worked it out more than a decade ago). Why on earth did I not look at the visual evidence? When I look at the other events, it’s often the very first thing I do. Look at the images. Are they convincing? No they’re not. Why didn’t I do that for 9/11?

    The perps knew that, of course, a small percentage of the population would recognise controlled demolition and they had their propaganda all ready and waiting. Some examples:

    — The Sep 2000 PNAC document saying the US needed a new Pearl Harbour and the 1960s Operation Northwoods documents (which are no doubt real but whose release date to the internet not long before 9/11 is very interesting)

    — The disinformation agents (Jersey Widows, Bob McIlvaine, Richard Grove, April Gallop) aligning themselves with the truthers about suspicion of government involvement and controlled demolition while also stating that their loved one died or that they witnessed and rescued injured people.

    — The “dancing Israelis”, picked up in a road block whose van showed traces of explosives dust and the Israeli “art students” in the buildings were staged to make truthers believe Israelis were commissioned to bring the buildings down. Not to say Israelis didn’t bring the buildings down – perhaps they’re especially skilled at it – however, why on earth would they inform us of it? The obvious explanation is that having “outsiders” perform the dastardly act makes the story more plausible than US citizens performing it (it’s interesting how they go for plausibility in some ways but against it in others – it’s an art form). No doubt, they also enjoy distracting and getting zealous anti-Zionists in a lather too. Israelis did it! Israelis did it! The fact is it made no difference whether the CIA, Mossad or a demolition company did it because we can infer a full evacuation was conducted. They put the highly anomalous casting of suspicion on Israelis (assuming the 19-Muslim-terrorists-with-boxcutters story were true) in the mainstream media, (https://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=123885&page=1) knowing that the believers of the official story will not think to question how Israelis and Muslim terrorists would collaborate on such an event while the truthers will latch right onto it, perceiving it as more evidence of “inside job” – with outside involvement.

    Distraction

    Controlled demolition
    Ironically, controlled demolition was used as a distraction. As they knew it would be recognised by the anticipated “truthers” they had all the truthers focused on controlled demolition to distract them from the complementary fact required for the whole truth to emerge – that death and injury were staged. The two pieces of the 9/11 puzzle “inside job” and “real death and injury” simply do not fit together. They repel each other like magnets – as long as only these two pieces are floating around, the truth about 9/11 will be kept hidden. We need to the two correct pieces, “inside job” and “staged death and injury” (not that convincing people that it was a complete hoax where no one died is any easy task of course – people are extremely emotionally invested in people’s deaths and death is such a cultural taboo).

    The first responder “oral histories” propaganda is so devious.

    From https://www.ae911truth.org/evidence/technical-articles/articles-by-ae911truth/128-118-witnesses-to-explosions-in-the-fdny-oral-histories%E2%80%8B

    “On August 12, 2005, more than 12,000 pages of oral histories from 503 FDNY firefighters, paramedics, and emergency medical technicians were made public after The New York Times sued the City of New York for their release in response to the Bloomberg administration’s decision to withhold the records from the public.

    The FDNY had recorded the oral histories between October 2001 and January 2002 at the instruction of the City’s fire commissioner, Thomas Von Essen, who wanted to preserve the accounts of the FDNY’s members “before they became reshaped by a collective memory.”

    Following the release of the records, researchers began examining them for any evidence as to the cause of the Twin Towers’ destruction.”

    I was all agog reading these “oral histories” at how they testified so conclusively to controlled demolition. The anomalous lack of reference to deaths of the firefighters’ 343 colleagues or to rescue operations did not cross my mind for a nanosecond. Like so many others I was all focused on the controlled demolition – which was, of course, the intention of the perps: distracting truthers with controlled demolition while keeping the focus off the equally important and necessarily complementary truth, staged death and injury. So clever. I love the touch that they wanted to preserve the accounts “before they became reshaped by a collective memory.” Of course, the reality was that as time passed the accounts might be different for reasons other than having been “reshaped by collective memory.” And the timing was good for future release. Take them shortly after 9/11 and then when all the truthers started to catch on make a big deal of withholding them before releasing them with all the evidence of controlled demolition flashing out at the reader.

    Multiple theories
    There was a great push of a number of theories on what was used to bring the buildings down (nuclear, directed energy weapons, thermite, nanothermite, thermate, etc) and what kind of aeronautical machines crashed into the buildings (passenger airliners, missiles, military jets, etc). In this they are aided by the people themselves as we all have our own opinions. The different theories create factionalism and weaken the truth movement.

    They also serve as major distraction. The key points are that the buildings came down by controlled demolition and the footage of Flight 175 into the South Tower is obviously faked. Either one of those is all the information required to know that it was an inside conspiracy – exactly how it was done and what materials were used are of little relevance. And yet how many pages and pages of material are there on what was involved in the controlled demolitions and what crashed into the buildings?

    Vast number of exercises
    One could suspect that the vast number of exercises (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_government_operations_and_exercises_on_September_11,_2001) the truthers were made aware of, including an anti-hijacker drill – can you believe it? – is also an example of distraction. All the other drills distracted us from exploring the possibility of yet another drill used to produce all the “evidence” of injured.

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    • Gary Weglarz says

      Flaxgirl – back again I see peddling your 9/11 disinformation. When you have some published peer reviewed scientific papers to show us that “debunk” the published peer reviewed scientific papers published by the Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth which debunk the official story and show the overwhelming evidence for controlled demolition, then by all means get back to us.

      • I’m afraid you don’t understand what I’m saying, Gary. Of course, the buildings came down by controlled demolition. What I’m saying is that ALL the people in the buildings were evacuated before they came down rather than just SOME. I also say according to the obvious physics but also according to what I’ve learnt from pilots and video experts that no planes crashed thus there is no reason to think anyone was injured in the buildings by plane crashes. They had little bombs on empty floors that created misleading smoke and so on to suggest people were injured – or somesuch.

        I have issued a $5,000 10-point Occam’s Razor challenge for 3 aspects of 9/11:
        — Collapse of WTC-7 by controlled demolition
        — Four faked plane crashes
        — 3,000 people dead and 6,000 people injured a lie

        No one has responded to any of the challenges and I know for a fact that a truther acquaintance (who could really use the money) has enlisted the help of a friend to respond to the “death and injury staged” challenge and cannot come up with a single point that favours “real” over “staged”. He’s studiously ignoring my emails asking him how he’s going with it.
        https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/5000-challenge.html

    • Admin says

      So they didn’t kill anyone and then worked really really hard to pretend they did kill lots of people, and now they’re so worried clever people like you will work out they didn’t really kill anyone that they leak out the fact they blew up the buildings (thus proving an inside job and wrecking their official story) just to distract us from the fact no one died?

      Question – why would ANYONE ever possibly think like that?

      And why do so many different fringey theorists turn up claiming controlled demolition is just a distraction when a) it’s the only hard evidence we have and b) it alone totally destroys the OGCT?

      • There is nothing theoretical about what I say. It is based on evidence and it makes perfect sense if you apply some thought to it.

        The perps knew that controlled demolition was far too obvious so rather than trying to futilely suppress it they incorporated it into their propaganda model.

        The basis of the propaganda model for 9/11 is to ensure that the truthers only have one piece of the puzzle correct (controlled demolition – and in many cases faked plane crashes) while they have the necessary complementary piece (staged death and injury) wrong. “Inside job” and “real death and injury” are two pieces that simply do not fit together and truthers will never convince non-truthers of these two pieces. So the perps happily continue with one piece correct and “out there” (but only for a small percentage of the population) while there is one piece wrong that continues to undermine getting the whole truth out.

        9/11 was a psyop. Isn’t everyone agreed on that – that it was a psyop???

        In psyops you don’t do things for real unless you have to. The only thing the perps wanted for real was the buildings coming down. They didn’t want plane crashes (real planes crashing would not have worked for their story in any case) and they didn’t want the deaths of 3,000 people and injury to 6,000 – the fallout of all the loved ones of those people, not to mention the injured themselves when controlled demolition was so obvious would have been a complete nightmare.

        But in any case the perps pride themselves on their psyops. Come on! They pride themselves on their ability to fool us and have a great old chortle while they’re doing it. The effort they made in faking death and injury is completely laughable – they persuaded us all with their clever propaganda, just like the tailors in the Emperors New Clothes, not with evidence of death and injury. It is truly astounding how they persuaded us ALL of death and injury with so little evidence, a lot of which is obviously faked.

        For many people (but not others including myself) death is a highly taboo subject so now that I’ve finally cottoned onto the propaganda model I see that very few truthers have come along on board. I imagine this is because of the emotional attachment to the idea of the tragedy of the 3,000 dead people. People are emotionally attached and, of course, this is EXACTLY what the perps rely on – the cultural taboo of death and emotional attachment to people’s deaths – regardless of what side of the conspiracy fence people are on.

        As I say, Admin, I have put forward 10 points favouring “staged death and injury” over “real” death and injury and issued a $5,000 challenge to produce 10 points with favouring reversed. I know for a fact that a truther acquaintance has tried to respond to the challenge and has failed. If you strongly believe that death and injury were real, please peruse my 10 points and then provide your own showing the opposite. If you’re not interested enough to do that, your words don’t really carry any weight, do they?
        https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/3000-dead-and-6000-injured-a-lie.html

        • Admin says

          It’s not a theory? You mean you have proof this seemingly batty idea is actually what happened? What is this proof? A letter from Cheney saying “who cares if they know we blew up the towers just make damn sure they never figure out we were careful not to kill anyone”? No. You have absence of evidence which you use as a basis for inference – and that’s all.

          Your whole bizarre hypothesis is based on an unquestioned assumption that the perps would be more concerned to conceal the absence of deaths than anything else – but why? What difference does it make? Even if no one died on 9/11 thousands have died as a result of that day. The real crime is the lie – and what proves that is the controlled demolition. So even if you’re correct it’s irrelevant.

          Wittingly or not, it’s people like you who are creating the diversion because anything that distracts from the crucial question of CD is playing in the perps’ favour.

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          • Admin,

            My claims rely both on LOGIC and EVIDENCE. It’s helpful to consider the LOGIC as well.

            Please answer these Y/N questions in your head.

            –1. Do you recognise 9/11 as a psyop?

            — 2. Do you think that a psyop involves doing things for real only where necessary and faking the rest?

            — 3. Do you think that people are much more alert to anomalies in government stories when a loved one dies than otherwise and do you rec ognise that people will fight for years when a loved one dies?

            — 4. Assuming yes, to Q3, do you think the perps had a compelling disincentive not to kill the 3,000 people and cause injury to 6,000?

            — 5. Do you think the number of people jumping up and down about their loved one dying or being injured on 9/11 is commensurate with the number of people we are aware of doing so?

            — 6. Do you think it so outlandish that they would have faked death and injury and persuaded us of the reality of it when they persuaded us that 19 barely-trained terrorists armed with boxcutters hijacked four planes and navigated them into three buildings, causing two of them to crash to the ground in 12 seconds from jet fuel fires and also persuading us that a third building unhit by planes crashed to the ground in the manner of a perfect implosion? Additionally, that they persuaded us that one of the four planes managed to crash into Defence HQ in a super-expert 330 manoeuvre (by allegedly the least competent “pilot” of all) without any footage of said manoeuvre?

            Please respond to these questions here:

            — 6. Do you think the perps had a motive to kill 3,000 people and injure 6,000 and if so, what do you think it was?

            — 7. What do you consider the visual evidence for 3,000 people being killed and 6,000 people being injured?

            –8. Do you consider that compelling visual evidence of 3,000 people dying and 6,000 people being injured is required to believe the “death and injury” part of the official story? If you don’t require visual evidence to believe that part, what evidence do you think you can base your belief of this part of the story on?

          • And I would so strenuously disagree with your claim that death and injury is irrelevant – easily evidenced by the concerted propaganda campaign aimed at the truthers to keep that lie alive.

            My goodness, I simply do not understand how you think. Can’t you see the massive difference between 9/11 being a complete hoax and it being a “genuine” false flag where 3,000 people were murdered and 6,000 were injured. Can’t you see the significant difference?

            Staged death and injury is not a diversion – it is at the crux of 9/11 and is crucial to getting the truth out.

          • Actually, we can make it very, very simple.

            Did the perps NEED to or WANT to kill 3,000 people and injure 6,000?

            1. The visual evidence they have presented for the killing of 3,000 people and injury to 6,000 indicates very clearly that they didn’t need to do it to persuade us of this claim.

            2. Both the compelling disincentive and the absence of an obvious motive indicate that they didn’t want to.

            So the big question then is:
            Given answers 1 and 2, Why on earth would they have killed 3,000 people and injured 6,000?

            • And just to add to answer 1. From a practical point of view, all they had to do differently from what is said in the official story was evacuate ALL the people from the buildings rather than just SOME. That is all.

              And then, of course, they had to come up with all the names on the memorials, the fake loved ones, etc. That’s what the Covert Operations arms of intelligence agencies are for. That is their raison d’etre.

              I thank you, Admin, for helping me to clarify my thoughts.

          • And just one more thing. Of course, it’s the thousands or hundreds of thousands AFTER 9/11 that really count. That’s why I want the truth of 9/11 out. If it were pretty much just a self-contained event I wouldn’t be bothering about this massive hoax. In fact, from Day One even though I believed the story I felt manipulated and so I don’t think I bought into it as much as I would have if I hadn’t felt manipulated. The way people died seemed horrific but after the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq I was much more concerned about the death and destruction occurring there.

            Of course, WMDs were a false pretext anyway – and they invaded Afghanistan on completely false pretences before Iraq in any case. There was never any justification for those wars whether 3,000 people died on 9/11 or didn’t. But don’t you think the truth’s important? And 9/11 is just one on a continuum of completely staged events – from at least as far back as the Bologna station bombing in 1980 to the present day. So it’s good to understand that it’s on a continuum and we’re being massively hoaxed on a daily basis (although you’re still very unsure about staged events, aren’t you?).

            And as I say, the perps “sacrificed”, so to speak, the truth of controlled demolition, that is, they let it out on a leash to better hide the lie of death and injury. While the truthers only have two major parts of the story correct (CD and faked plane crashes) they’ll get nowhere without the third – staged death and injury. That the US government would have killed its own civilians so cold-bloodedly like that (no problem killing their soldiers though) is too taboo for people to confront so they will remain in denial over the event being an inside job – and the point is the US govt didn’t kill their civilians like that. They simply didn’t – for a variety of reasons.

          • mark says

            I don’t think focussing exclusively on arcane details of the incident is very important or helpful.
            Which specific particular individuals were most closely involved, the type of explosive used and so on.
            It can be like arguing about the number of angels dancing on a pin head.
            These matters should all be the subject of a genuine and honest criminal investigation.

            What does matter is that this is an obvious false flag and that the prime movers were Mossad agents and US dual nationals. That is what we should focus on. That is what is important.

  15. Bootlyboob says

    There’s a reference to a video but no external link present. Can someone clue me in on what this was?

      • Mikaina says

        “The newspaper articles had prepared men’s minds for the reception of the idea.”

        H G Wells
        The War of the Worlds

      • That’s one super-scary analysis. I have noticed pop stars making the devil’s horns signs and suchlike and wondered about it but what’s exposed in this film is unbelievably bizarre. I’m glad I live a sheltered life and suffer little exposure.

  16. harry stotle says

    Whatever they are doing it works like a dream every time.

    Western intelligence agencies, and the CIA in particular, have become extremely adept (working hand in glove with the media) at directing public rage at almost any target they like including the deep well of mistrust they have cultivated for old foes like Russia, China, Korea and Iran.

    Its almost like turning a tap on – yesterday the media and public were frothing over al-Assad; before that Gaddafi and Saddam, today of course its Maduro.

    The public have always been oblivious to their own ignorance, and are thus blind to the way they fall for propaganda about bogeymen that need to be taken out, this despite the fact the US is the worlds leading terror state and supporter of right wing extremism.

    Needless to say those who are courageous enough to expose the corrupt machinations of the security apperatus are taught to be reviled through orchestrated campaigns in the media, such as lies told by the Guardian about Julian Assange.

    Orwell understood all of this only too well – in 1984 he lamented the proles inability to understand how their chains had been fashioned, or how easy it would be for them to rise up and tear the party to pieces. if only they could develop greater insight.

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    • Francis Lee says

      ”Until they become conscious the proles will never revolt, until they revolt they will never become conscious.”

      ”If there is any hope it lies in the proles. That sounds reasonable in words. But it becomes an act of faith when you look at the faces of those who pass you in the street.”

      Orwell 1984

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  17. Makropulos says

    It’s fitting that an article about the CIA should mention The Exorcist. There is a quote at the beginning of that book that always intrigued me. Here it is:

    “…There’s no other explanation for some of the things the Communists did. Like the priest who had eight nails driven into his skull…. And there were seven little boys and their teacher. They were praying the Our Father when soldiers came upon them. One soldier whipped out his bayonet and sliced off the teacher’s tongue. The other took chopsticks and drove them into the ears of the seven little boys. How do you treat cases like that?”

    This is attributed to one Dr. Tom Dooley. It turns out that Dooley was a young American doctor fighting “the good fight” against godless communism in Viet Nam who had secretly been hired as a CIA intelligence operative. The quote from The Exorcist almost certainly comes from Dooley’s book “Deliver Us From Evil” which, thanks to the enthusiastic support from various propaganda organs such as The Readers’ Digest, became a huge seller and helped to manufacture the approved Biblical Good vs Evil image of Viet Nam. You can get this info from Wiki and also from “The Mighty Wurlitzer: How the CIA Played America”.

    There is an ironic epilogue to this. It appears that Dooley was not only gay but quite a big celebrity on the gay underground (as it had to be in those days). When his paymasters found out about this they speedily lost interest. And he effectively disappeared. But that was OK. He’d done his job.

    • K Oncreat says

      This man, Tom Dooley, I remember well, at the time and for a long time afterwards, was turned into a secular saint – – a sort of Mother Teresa, without the trappings of religion. There were numerous laudatory newspaper articles about him and how he worked tirelessly for the sick, etc, etc, against the uncaring oppressors who exploited them and how to succumbed to illness himself – – some accounts said TB, others, leprosy – – in his work. Nothing about him being a homosexual. Perhaps his fatal illness was an early form of Aids, not TB or leprosy?

  18. olavleivar says

    Edward Curtin ! …
    You are a Media Shill and / or a Coward …
    … and Your introductory sentence betrays You !…

    What the fuck has “ NAZIS “ to do with the CIA ?
    NOTHING !

    They were amateurs compared to the JEWISH AGIT PROP.
    Besides they had a “ WELTANSCHAUNG “ which they clearly and openly stated
    to anyone who cared to read.and listen .
    They were NOBLE !.

    The Jewish OLIGARCHY and. their corrupt underlings amongst these the CIA have nothing
    but DECEPTION , LIES , EXPLOITATION and PERVERSION as You describe….. .
    And GREED ofc ……
    They are EMPTY ! — and they are EVIL !

    But You needed that deceptive BRANDING sentence in order to be Comme il Faut —- PUSSY !
    Hollywood and Jew Media use this TRICK all the time .. every day
    And .. You needed that sentence in order to keep Your Job in Massachusets Libtard Surroundings …
    “ Public Intellectual “ … Kiss my ass !

    Thereby You made your subsequent musings IRRELEVANT….
    Because either You are an ignorant product of lifelong Indoctrination (excusable)
    Or Yourself a 5th Column MOLE … pick Your choice .

    Should it be the first ..
    here some corrective educational Literature
    which may introduce You to a road of INTELLECTUAL Enlightenment

    WHO were and WHAT was German National Socialism ?

    From the Maestro ..himself on May 1, 1923 in Munich

    http://www.renegadetribune.com/hitler-on-national-rebirth/

    It was the absolute and direct OPPOSITE of CIA and its HANDLERS

    There is plenty of additional Literature , from which You may benefit
    Space is too short to list all what is available ..
    but a few recommended sources I kindly provide You with :

    Gerard Menuhins Book : “ Tell the Truth and Shame the Devil “

    https://telltruthshamedevil.blogspot.com/2016/03/ebook-tell-truth-shame-devil.html

    a brilliant and comprehensive discussion of Hitler, National Socialism and WW2 ….
    by … a Jew … a NOBLE JEW … they do exist ..
    or
    The Website of Roy Unz , also a Jew, who in a number of Essays discusses related Topics

    https://www.unz.com/author/ron-unz/

    You can even find Hitlers “ Mein Kampf “ on both listed pages
    .. to read ..for free !

    I havent read it myself .. yet .. but may be ..it is time !

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    • Francis Lee says

      ”I haven’t read it myself yet … ” the great political giveaway admission. Marx’s labour theory of value. ‘I haven’t read it myself yet. but I know it is rubbish. But of course!

  19. Edward Bernays main target audience was Americans and he knew them very well.When attempting to raise the profile of an unpopular cake mix, he had the manufacturers remove the powdered egg from the mix and instructed housewives how to make cakes by just adding eggs and water. This resulted in the mix becoming the most popular in America, he catered to the frontier spirit of doing it yourself.
    I met an American lady from Omaha a few months ago and was quite taken aback when she said “your shops are so big, you are big on consumerism over here.” I wondered about her comments. New York has lots of shops, then I remembered a documentary I saw about Mississippi, there were hardly any shops open so I assume America’s capitalism is more advanced than ours. The lady had incorporated a failing local economy into her belief system as non-consumerist.
    My point, they think quite differently to us and that has occurred over a very short space of time.

  20. Julio Bigtime says

    When the enabling funding for the CIA et al. is conjured without limit via taps on keyboards the scene is set for detour to deviance, perversity, and criminality. Investigate — Church Committee 2.0! Criminal psychopaths must be apprehended and prosecuted by rigorous and enduring law enforcement actions. ‘Follow the money. Always, follow the money.’ — Deep Throat. Rein the bastards in — with gusto!

  21. More interesting comments re this topic on Ed Curtin’s original posting on his website edwardcurtin.com

  22. Antonym says

    The Dulles family includes also his older brother, John Foster Dulles, was the Secretary of State during the Eisenhower Administration and his sister diplomat Eleanor Lansing Dulles.
    His maternal grandfather, John W. Foster, was Secretary of State under Benjamin Harrison, while his uncle by marriage, Robert Lansing was Secretary of State under Woodrow Wilson.

    What stays unclear here is how the CIA obtained their “unlimited” and secret government funding – free from Public Control. Was it the universal spook fig leaf of “National Security”?

    Also unclear stays them taking instructions from the industrial complex…

  23. summitflyer says

    “You shall know the Truth, and the Truth will set you free.”
    But first it will piss you off .
    Reality is not always pretty and this article is the proof. Thank you Edward Curtin .

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  24. Hugh O'Neill says

    Even what little we really know about the CIA and the forces of “The Unspeakable” (ref: Thomas Merton & James Douglass) is horrifying: never could a more dishonest and amoral cadre with unlimited power devoid of any accountability, have caused so much harm to Humanity (sorry, service to “our country”) and still attempt to wear a mask of respectability. They lack all compassion, kindness, humility, self-awareness does make one question their real purpose. But the fact that such evil can infect all organisations no matter how decent they once seemed, rather suggests that they are a metaphoric cancer on Humanity. The late Udo Ulfkotte made clear how the MSM in Europe is part of the same scam. The once respectable BBC (in one’s naivety) played a significant role in the selling of the 9/11 False Flag. Yesterday, I caught a trailer on BBC World Service about a new radio drama marking the 40th Anniversary of the Iranian Revolution (See: https://www.newstatesman.com/fall-shah-bbc-world-service-radio-drama-review) ; I could be completely paranoid, but might this be a softening-up of the world audience to prepare for more enforced Democracy from Bolton & Pompeo, surely the least Human of all, completely devoid of shame, honesty, intellect, or imagination etc. (the missing parts of their Humanity is a deep chasm).

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