What “community standards” did this comment breach? #19
The following comments – sent in to us by a reader – were censored by The Guardian. Which of the well-publicised CiF “community standards” did they breach?
Another user actually commented on the fact the thread had been removed:
…that thread was also removed.
So: Which of the Guardian’s “community standards” did these comments break?
- Does it “misrepresent the Guardian and its journalists”?
- Is it “persistent trolling or mindless abuse”?
- Is it “spam-like”? Or “obviously commercial”?
- Is it “racism, sexism, homophobia or hate-speech”?
- Is it “extremely offensive of threatening?”?
- Is it “flame-wars based on ingrained partisanship or generalisations”?
- Is it not “relevant”?
If none of the above – why were they taken down?
See our archive of censored comments. And if you see any egregious examples of the Guardian censoring its “free” comment sections – email us at [email protected], and send us screen caps if possible
UPDATED 4/3/2019 to correct an incorrect link
SUPPORT OFFGUARDIAN
If you enjoy OffG's content, please help us make our monthly fund-raising goal and keep the site alive.
For other ways to donate, including direct-transfer bank details click HERE.
Generally, we seem to be moving into an era were more and more texts and utterances are being proscibed and made forebidden, a totalitarian era and one pushed by ‘liberals’ typified by people employed at the Guardian. It’s like ‘witchcraft’ and the ‘witchunt’ is returning. Mass hysteria too. It’s rather disturbing.
I think there’s a rather obvious ‘subtext’ in the comment and why it was deleted. That without saying so directly it completely undermines and demolishes the Guardian’s line on Corbyn and antisemitism in the Labour Party, that it’s little more than ‘fake news’ with a partisan political agenda. One doesn’t have to say this. It’s implied. And that implication is enough to get the comment banned and disappeared
Yes, having played the lie, they are trapped in defending it – and will have to cover the lie with lies and so it is a pact with the devil, because a lie of a life can only front the appearances of life that is hollowed out until they face what they did and own it. Regardless the ‘circumstances’. I don’t know the circumstances but I have no doubt that assets are acquired by ‘fair deceits and foul entrapments’. Commenting to Guardian (if you are going to go there and want to) might be an art form of how to communicate in ways that get past the censor but make some undercurrent statement that can be recognized by ‘floating voters’ – because no one but those already opening to question the narrative is going to read anything that is not supporting their world-view. Hurt feelings about being deleted on Guardian… Read more »
I just got modded / deleted this morning at the Guardian Of The Establishment, once again. It was a discussion under Stewart Lee’s funny yet saddening piece on Brexit and British politics. Somebody pointed out that Henning the German comedian on BBC QT highlighted that the timing of the recent resurrected anti Corbyn accusations of him being anti Semitic was rather strange and probably no coincidence, to which there was a stunned panel and audience silence (i saw QT myself and chuckled at the rush to get the show back on the Ministry Of Truth’s approved track). Below that comment I reminded readers that in January 2017, the Israelis sent back home one of their London embassy employees for getting caught on Al-Jazeera saying that the British Foreign Minister Alan Duncan and other MPs would be “taken down”, therefore, I queried as to why were no journalists were asking questions… Read more »
Why do people continue to legitimize this shitty deep-state propaganda outlet by paying attention to it?
Just leave it alone to rot in peace; eventually, anybody with a brain will notice that everybody else with a brain has left, and only morons, shills, and conformists will remain.
You are only serving to reanimate the rotting corpse by continuing to engage with it. Leave it alone, for the maggots and cockroaches to enjoy.
I occasionally still visit the Guardian and in doing so, I hope, in a very small way, to try enlighten at least one other Guardian reader to realise that what they read there should be taken with a pinch of salt, at best. Even if I get banned and need to change my account, it’s worth it if at least one person sees the light.
Dear Admin, when will the upgraded website be available please? I’m yearning for the ability to edit my posts for at least 5 mins after I submit them in order to be able to correct them. You notified us, I think in November, that the upgrade was “imminent” ? Thanks in anticipation.
Yes it would be nice. But I note that we are digitally trained to be interface driven rather than intention directed. I can type up a response, (in a text app) and when I would have posted it, stop and do something else (maybe initiate a 5m alarm) and then review it before sending. Being interface driven is easy, automatic, guided and supported, and generating our own consciousness is seemingly upstream, calling for awareness that we usually wake to having forgot some time later. I like that some comment systems have an edit or timed edit facility – but I also notice what comes up around these issues. Technocracy is in some sense an interface driven society, in which thought and response are framed by laws, memes and incentives to serve the intent of those who make it – and the willingness of all who take the ride because its… Read more »
so what you’re saying is, that the state authorities know what’s good for us, and any malcontents have only themselves to blame for their troubles, and should be given exemplary punishment, to the fullest extent of the law.
and that dissidents should be flogged, shot, beheaded, hung, drawn, and quartered (but not necessarily in that order), and their pitiful remains suspended from a gibbet, for not less than six months, pour encourager les autres.
and lastly, but certainly not least, always blame the victim, but never explain or apologize, especially on Tuesdays.
Well no milosevic – that isn’t what I said. But If that is what you are taking from it that is yours. You can know what is good for you but it wont come just from hating those who don’t see you or care to. What you take from anything is what you make of yourself. For yourself – and the people that are in your life. We live one day at a time. Hate gives power away – as I see it – so I own what is mine and learn to live with who I am. I cant live other people’s choices and putting my mind into them is not the truth of them – but more about me. But I prefer a world in which there is real choice (not just fake choices to the same end result) and that mean weighing up what is real or… Read more »
so what you’re saying is, you can earn thousands of dollars per week, working as a government disinfo shill, from the comfort of your own home.
and that you can’t fool all of the people all of the time, but at least a significant proportion of them can be convinced that obvious bullshit tastes delicious, if it’s adequately flavoured with pretentious verbiage.
and finally, that making total nonsense look like it’s something other than the randomly-generated output of a computer algorithm, isn’t as easy as you would think.
Well I must be doing something right. to earn the smear by baseless accusation treatment. If you simply asked you could engage in communication, but if disruption of communication and division is your intent – you will leave that as your very last option – but when you are willing to talk, I will listen. Otherwise – you clearly have your own agenda that I obviously am not supporting for you. I am not accusing and attacking baselessly accused ‘dis-info agents’ or inciting fear, hate and suspicion here. You are. While I have read that GCHQ etc are budgeted to operate cyberwar – (fuck up the internet) – I also see that so many are willing and witless to work that purpose for free. Just to feel ‘better about themselves’ by shitting on someone else. As I said you are growing what is yours by what you choose to make… Read more »
so what you’re saying is, people who don’t want to be mistaken for a deep-state disinfo robot, driven by a random-number generator, should take care to avoid writing like one. well that’s wise advice, indeed. I can’t imagine why nobody ever thought of that before. New AI fake text generator may be too dangerous to release, say creators The creators of a revolutionary AI system that can write news stories and works of fiction – dubbed “deepfakes for text” – have taken the unusual step of not releasing their research publicly, for fear of potential misuse. OpenAI, an nonprofit research company backed by Elon Musk, Reid Hoffman, Sam Altman, and others, says its new AI model, called GPT2 is so good and the risk of malicious use so high that it is breaking from its normal practice of releasing the full research to the public in order to allow more… Read more »
What “community standards” on Off-guardian, do I breach milosevic? I don’t join at the level of the apparent conflict perhaps, but I do look to what lies beneath – and in consistent phrase and prose, seek to articulate something of the underbelly of the beast – and the nature of our use of and subjection to it. The psycho-physical nature of our world is a recognition through which false framing can be evaluated and released. Until an individual accepts their own part, they be-live the part the framing in the false assigns them. No one is apart and alone – and the willingness to open psychic – Felt – connection is the release of the dictate or compulsion to ‘go it alone’ which is the basis of ‘power struggle’. The experience of being ‘apart and alone’ is terrible and thus masked over so as to make such a life bearable.… Read more »
Cut it out Milesovic, no need for that completely unsubstantiated nonsense here. Binra is as much anti Establishment as anyone here, and he conveys in a different way, as a philosopher and spiritually connected person.
Binra is trying not to be mistaken as an A.I disinfo robot by people who have such a purpose in life. While a sense of joining may strengthen purpose by sharing it – my purpose is not defence so much as owning our own purpose and living from there. The culture that we grow is by our active purpose – and our acts are responses from our perceptions which are always interpreted through a persona of cultural inheritance, acquisition and conditioning experience. Unquestioned presumptions look out as if seeing reality and act in such a way as to reinforce the perception-belief and then defend it as our self. Looking at our reactive mind while looking out into relationship (world) is an ability that grows from accepting love. I don’t know any other way of undoing the defences that lock us into our particular entanglements and survival strategy. Love is –… Read more »
Thank you. It’s been a tough day – I needed that…..
Hopefully in the next couple weeks. It’s not a small job – moving servers and transferring masses of data – to say nothing of the recoding and design overhaul. 😳
I know it’s not a small job, done some ITcmigrations myself. Be prepared for the worst case scenario by ensuring you can fully rollback if it goes “titsup”.
As the Labour front bench and supposedly ‘Corbyn friendly MPs’ are being flipped or taken down, we have to wonder if Jon Lansman has ever ‘had lunch’ with Lord Levy ?
So the Obsessive Groan is on the run!
Last night very late I checked to see what drivel in-Cohen-rant and his fellow crusader ‘Ridiculous’ Rawnsley came out with to throw at the Corbynites.
Well there was nothing! From either of them. I assumed they were having a belated half term.
So what a fine surprise to find that not only were we blessed with the mucous of the Blair Bitch but the dreary- duo had their articles sneaked out this morning!
But with no comments allowed. Lols.
Run rabbit, run rabbit, run, run … they can’t stand the heat.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha
Rawnsley produced this cracker laden with language redolent of Soviet era. Russia.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/mar/03/labour-balance-of-terror-has-shifted-now-corbynites-have-cause-to-be-fearful
Comments switched off of course.
Meanwhile over at the virtue-signalling wing of the Guardian, doe-eyed journalists continue their production-line of articles that all more or less coalesce around a single theme: why is everything so utterly shit under Britain’s neocon axis.
The likes of Andrew will never understand, of course, at least until he has first hand experience of what it feels like to be fucked over by tory austerity policies.
A caveat to the buffoonish or benign approach of the Guardian: The MOMO manipulation and control exercise (it was NOT a ‘hoax’). I saw the effect it had on a 7 yr old and a 12 yr old and it was mentally devastating and, possibly, life threatening. I do not think the little one will ever recover from the experience – I have never seen such terror in a child. The Guardian reported it as a momentary hoax and gave space for a primary Headteacher to say that his decision not to discuss it with the children was clearly justified as there was ‘no panic’ at the school. There was a noticeable change in the children’s behaviour up to FIVE weeks before the ‘outing’ of the ‘hoax’ and research needs to be done on the amount of damage this has caused and exactly how this manipulation and control of our… Read more »
Interesting. It appears that MOMO is another element in the Orwellian, totalitarian mind control being inflicted upon the Anglo Saxon world.
I don’t recognize the MOMO acronym – but I wholeheartedly recommend a short book by Michael Ende called Momo that speaks simply and deeply in story to a loss of awareness of being to the stolen mind. The book was – I believe – blocked or limited in the US as its revelations are counter to the narrative/mind control of the ‘Grey Men’.
I will now see what MOMO stands for in Orwellian terms.
I notice that some terms are ontological – such as War on IS. Or have divine association as in war on ISIS.
Name magic is one of the oldest kinds of spell.
OK – MOMO acquainted. Is it a black op? Where is Internet surveillance when it could identify the first examples of such a meme? Internet surveillance is a black op. Oh well! If we are within a convergence point – as I feel we are – then an identification in fear as the basis of control over others seeks to maximise its ‘mindshare’. By fear – I mean inclusive of all its progeny – so hate works the same agenda – and does so as a sense of righteous reaction to evils – in power expressed blindly or ratcheting up of ‘security’ that disempowers the protected in false flagged dependencies. Because fear (and its begotten) are contagious – incidences of hysteria can start to occur as if at random – and spread like disease – and I feel this is the undercurrent of much we regard or portray as disease.… Read more »
I am a massive fan of Craig Murray, and have been for about 10 years, though I have never actually met him, nor any of his moderators. I can accept that over the last couple of years, the vast majority of my posts on his blog, never even appear though some do, several hours later… I wonder if this one will… “I contributed to Craig Murray’s legal defence fund, when he was being viciously attacked by the online Daily Mail a couple of years ago. He promised to publish his accounts.. and if there was any money left over – to distrbute it to other similar legal defences, under similar attacks Did any of the surplus, go to defend for example Gilad Atzmon? I don’t mean to be rude, but I would like to see Craig Murray’s accounts as he promised he would publish them on his blog. Even George… Read more »
Try mentioning woolwich or 7/7
Or the Parsons Green bomb: the incident that gave us the infamous toothache model.
http://www.norwalkreflector.com/mediaFiles?type=image&url=/image/2017/09/16/WORLD-NEWS-LONDON-EXPLOSION-1-ZUM.jpg&caption=An%20injured%20woman%20close%20to%20Parsons%20Green%20station%20in%20west%20London%20after%20an%20explosion%20on%20a%20packed%20London%20Underground%20train%20Friday,%20Sept.%2015,%202017.
Strictly off limits to raise doubts about the veracity of media reports, especially the quality of photographic evidence.
Luckily the young woman managed to survive the carriage ‘fireball’ without getting a spot of soot on her pristine blouse, while the unmeltable plastic bucket containing the incendiary device was apparently donated to a local window cleaner.
Tony: contact Craig Murray about it.
So the ‘Integrity Initiative’ has managed to firmly steer the Guardian into the lying and deception path.
Facts really should be sacred, but on the Guardian facts are usually scared. I see little point is talking at length about this matter. Everyone with anything going on between their ears knows that Jeremy Corbyn and the rest of those subject to this smear are not antisemitic. Jeremy is supportive of Palestine. That is all you need to know. And there is no point in trying to prove that Mr Corbyn is not antisemitic by providing examples, because this is not about truth and reality, this is about removing Mr Corbyn from the position of leader of the Labour party. His enemies are peddling lies. Those of limited intelligence and/or of limited attention spans are only going to be exposed to the MSM lies about Mr Corbyn, they are not going to be reading detailed accounts showing that he is not anti-semitic. I repeat, anyone with anything going on… Read more »
Everyone with anything going on between their ears knows that Jeremy Corbyn and the rest of those subject to this smear are not antisemitic. Jeremy is supportive of Palestine. That is all you need to know.
yah, but I keep hearing that “anti-zionism is the same thing as anti-semitism.” I don’t want to tell them that they don’t understand the content of their own identity; that seems like it would be kind of anti-semitic. So I guess I just have to accept that anti-zionism makes us all anti-semites. But now that I’m comfortable with my anti-semitism, maybe I CAN contradict them, and argue that I’m not anti-semitic for opposing their fascist terror state, after all.
I’m so confused. All this hasbara is making me feel queasy.
“So I guess I just have to accept that anti-zionism makes us all anti-semites.”
No, unless Zionism is your thing, just anti-FAsCemites. New fascisms need new descriptors.
—
Proud to be anti-FAsCemitic.
Reflections on upping the anti. Life didn’t have a name until the idea of naming spelled it. Life cannot be spelled out, and Be Life. The image and model is… image and model. Life is Life – whether taken in vain or shared in true receipt. So the mind of the judge spelled itself ‘in’ with the life it judged its own set against the ‘other life’ outside – into which it projects the anti-life intent so as to maintain plausible deniability or a mask of relative innocence. Life in form thus split into life and anti-life – with anti-Life as the claim to power of a life set apart and into conflict with what seems to be anti-life or enemy, as the cause of pain of loss and death. This reversal is of a sense of opposition to ‘What Is’ – as if ‘What Is’ – is lacking, inadequate,… Read more »
It is no coincidence that the “anti semitic” smear is being directed against Corbyn and Labour at the same time as it is now being used by Macron against the Gilets Jaunes. I’m only surprised it wasn’t used against Brexit as well. The aims are the same in both cases Corrupt, arrogant, remote, incompetent, deeply unpopular neoliberal elites seeking to suppress and delegitimise popular opposition. The Board of Deputies and its French CRIF equivalent striving to criminalise any and all criticism of Zionist atrocities as these become more and more blatant and can no longer be hidden by a pliant Zionist controlled media. These elites try to portray themselves as “centrists”, though they are invariably constructs of the powerful vested interests and the Deep State. The “centrist” orthodoxy they seek to enforce is made up of neoliberal economics and financial stringency, austerity, gross inequality, declining living standards and security for… Read more »
Has the Obsessive Groan released any sacred facts on how many of their free commentators have been disappeared?
Or is that against their community standards?
Isn’t it being run by MI5 these days? (Only half joking).
Yes see my reply to Robbo below where i share my experience of high tech (miltary grade) employed in disappearing an email from a sensible moderator, from my inbox.
https://off-guardian.org/2019/03/02/what-community-standards-did-this-comment-breach-19/#comment-148405
Under a post-truth dictate, the ‘favoured’ get to kiss the boot that stamps them so as to preserve at least some illusion of freedom in its framing. Sometimes it seems just to be ‘going with the flow’, after all everyone else is doing likewise or meets exclusion and penalty – but at some point it is not only a step too far, but a step in which previous missteps are owned and repented of. Worth cannot be painted on afterwards. (But a glazed mind can be fired in hate projected away onto others and by attacking their hate, seem to be worthy by contrast) Emotional blackmail that yet leaves its victim with an acceptable life may persist as an ongoing compliance. But the cost of such a life becomes, of course, all that is worthy of living. Repentance is no more than the re-wakening of the mind to truth it… Read more »
tried to post this last night but had the same problem as other: *It would appear the comment in question violated the new (“post-Brexit” / welcome to “Trump-land”) rules of Western corporate journalism. By these new rules under no circumstances can anything or anyone that supports the ‘common good’ be allowed to stand unsullied – in this case that would be Corbyn and any of those pesky “socialist” ideas he might be secretly harboring. Additionally of course – to suggest that anyone (like Corbyn) who actually does speak up for the “common good,” might also somehow also manage to NOT simultaneously be antisemitic – well, this is now strictly and absolutely also forbidden. Corbyn, by supporting the common good, must now also by definition be “antisemitic” according to the “new rules.” Corby=common good=antisemitic. Hey, I didn’t make the new rules, I’m just explaining them. By this same new “logic” and… Read more »
I think I’ve cracked it. The post must have been in breach of the fifth condition insofar as it was deemed extremely offensive or threatening to racists wishing to smear Corbyn with racism.
I have had many of my comments censored by that awful guardian. There is much more freedom of the press in Italy judging by the comments that are accepted and published .
A badge of honour.
I immediately gave an uptick and then copied the post into a doc for later reference. Really excellent stuff. I hadn’t realised that it was then modded. What a joke!
No need for me to worry about being modded by the Guardian, as I’ve been banned again. One of my previous bans was because of some sarcastic comments I made about Owen Smith, around the time he challenged Corbyn for the leadership of the LP. Smith is a man who’s so insignificant that I honestly just looked him up on Google, just to check I’d got his name right. I mean, I wouldn’t mind so much being banned over someone who was, at least in some small way, interesting, but Owen f**king Smith…? As for the Guardian’s little army of censors, I mean, ”moderators”, well, they seem to be a pompous, humourless and, deep down, unhappy group of people. Those who are higher up at that rag, though, might just fall into the category of ”full-on evil.” For all their hand-wringing articles about social injustice, they seem determined to bring… Read more »
“The Guardian is worse, much worse, than the S*n, the Daily Heil and all the rest of them. At least one knows what one’s going to get with those demented right-wing purveyors of lies. The Guardian, though, presents itself as something different.”
Indeed, I often think of Democracy Now!, among others, as one of the most dangerous news outlets. Over the years they build up credibility and gain the loyalty of their leftwing/progressive (in the true sense) readers, to the point that their words are taken as facts. Then, after a smooth, gradual transition to MSM propaganda, they are still treated with respect and believed, having also changed the mindset of the audience without its even noticing.
Same applies to Counterpunch.
Given Off-G takes Counterpunch cast-offs…
The Guardian are certainly enforcing the narrative on this.
Labour members seem fairly united on this, as the first motion to support Williamson’s re-instatement gets near unanimous support.
(Sheffield Hallam is reputedly a constituency with one of the highest average wealth indexes in the country).
Resolution carried at Sheffield Hallam CLP on February 28 2019, by approximately 40 votes to 1 with 0 abstentions:
http://www.sheffieldlabourleft.org/uncategorized/resolution-passed-in-sheffield-hallam-clp-reinstate-chris-williamson-mp/
‘What “community standards” did this comment breach?’ The final, reserve, catch-all community standard they didn’t have space on the screen to list even though it’s quite a short list so they could easily have jostled the others up a bit to make room for it, namely: “You post, we moderate, so FOAD.” If you bother to think about it, in rush hours their setup will be handling so many simultaneous comments that it has to be fully automatable, and so will be fully automated, as there’s no way their moderators are going have time to attend to the drudgery of removing unacceptable comments by hand, laboriously cutting and pasting their standard “all gone” template in its place, removing them completely from the poster’s profile (thus facilitating a potential, implied–but effectively totally memory-holed, so–undefendable slander on the poster’s judgement, something that’s particularly egregious in the case of a real-name poster), etc.… Read more »
Robbo, Yes their catch-22/fight clubby rule was cited for my disappearance for mentioning SCL/CA on an article about the deep state! To paraphrase what an never ending correspondence tried to establish – ‘You have been barred because you were barred sometime in the past and you have had some comments modded but we can’t tell you which! Even though the comment you were barred for didn’t break any CS’ There is no escalation to a higher line manager and only some single named modmanager who is otherwise unidentifiable and refuses to provide details of their boss! Incidently not every mod seemed to be in agreement – once i had a reply late at night about a particular comment that had gone in response to some caustic (later i discovered to be a Hasbara) troll there, who i had hooked and skewered – the email in the preview screen explained that… Read more »
“…the email in the preview screen explained that that mod had looked at it and reinstated it as it hadn’t broken any CS. Then as I hit the button to open the email so I could thank that mod – it disappeared! My comment had disappeared again … That showed the tech employed, an email sent could be magically removed from my inbox.” Interesting. Care to say, if it isn’t infringing on your sense of privacy too much*, what mail agent (Outlook, Thunderbird, …) and service (IMAP, POP3, webmail…) you were using to receive/lose that email? ISP and/or mail provider could be interesting too. “Other dark arts are practiced such as watching as you type a comment.” Not quite as you type, but in small interim packets at defined points during composition. They’ve (where “they” in any of this does not necessarily mean “the Guardian”, who may being played for… Read more »
Apple IoS.
It should not be a surprise that the algos will channel one to a human watchman, wherever they are based geographically, the 24/365 indicates across the world.
Snowdens revealed the chest full of golden tools and toys that exist.
The occasional soldier who over steps and edits your words as you type because you just won’t stop attacking the target! Is spooky but not ultimately scary. We are always more monitorable, some of us are silenced, but if we resist from a public forum, using public facts then punching up – means occaisonally we make contact with their gonads. And they wince!
It is satisfying.
“The occasional soldier who over steps and edits your words as you type …”
Could that be a spelling or grammar checker? I don’t know much about Apple except they’re good at helping Chinese management eploit Chinese workers and being as shocked each time they’re told so as they were the time before. That and all their current OSs are influenced by Jobs’ wilderness years. As big IT goes, I’d guess that their commitment to consumer privacy is a little more sincere than average. Other than that, there’s not a lot in your reply to comment on. Good luck with the dragons there be.
“Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has.” Margaret Mead The above statement is true, with the exception that if any members of the small group are ardent Zionists/Jews/sponsored by Israel, and their aim is to change the UK Labour Party to benefit the state of Israel, one is forbidden to mention their Zionist/Jewish/Israeli affiliations, or even that the group exists to serve a particular purpose (even with the group hiding in plain sight and directing a sophisticated PR campaign. Oops, to note such a PR campaign is again an an anti-semitic trope), as to do so is to indulge the anti-semitic trope of Jewish cabals exerting power over public affairs to the detriment of other, wider interests. Basically, this group would like to expel every single member, having branded them anti-semites, who is familiar with/has… Read more »
Jewish Power is the ability to prohibit discussion of Jewish Power.
Those poor buggers that work for the Guardian must have a lot of sleepless nights.
Especially with TRUTH shining a brilliant beam of light into their constantly averting eyes.
Just following orders sah!
Psychopaths.
Link to St.Theresa regime’s ban on a Lebanese resistance organization against foreign invasions, which is legitimate under International Law:
“Labour to accept Hezbollah ban but queries Javid’s motives | Politics …
https://www.theguardian.com/…/labour-accepts-hezbollah-political-wing-ban-but-querie…
4 days ago – Labour to accept Hezbollah ban”
Where is Jeremy Corbyn?
“Labour to accept Hezbollah ban but queries Javid’s motives | Politics … https://www.theguardian.com/…/labour-accepts-hezbollah-political-wing-ban-but-querie… 4 days ago – Labour to accept Hezbollah ban” – Where is Jeremy Corbyn? The media has worked tirelessly to forge an indelible link (in the minds of the public) between Corbyn and antisemitism a smear campaign that has exceeded all expectations after similar attempts to taint him as an IRA sympathiser or Russia intelligence asset proved less effective. The campaign reached its apotheosis when Labour friends of Israel walked and when the unbearably smug Tom Watson started purring about his one-man campaign to institute kangaroo courts should the slightest whiff of impropriety be fanned his way. Needless to say it is now impossible to switch on Question Time without either the panel or the audience feeding the narrative that in 2015 the Labour Party morphed into Britains very own version of the Brown-shirts. Corbyns slim chances… Read more »
Nowhere to be seen, clearly. And that demonstrates very clearly that Corbyn cannot be trusted to stand for what is right, just, moral and ethical when it matters most. Hizbullah like Hamas are resistance fighters, not terrorists. And every people have the right to resist their oppressors, their invaders, those who ethnically cleanse them from their lands and homes – and that is in international law. But then, we know that only when it suits their purposes do the western nations, especially but not only, FUKUS, follow the tenets of international law. There is one sort of anti-semitism; and then there is another. One is abhorrent, the other fine and dandy – and isn’t called anti-semitism, nor even racism. Yet Hizbullah members have a far stronger claim to being semites than do the vast majority of the Ashkenazi. (Strictly speaking it is the languages that are semitic – Arabic and… Read more »
The brown goy stooges have to show themselves to be exceptionally subservient to their Zionist paymasters. Have to keep those shekels rolling in.
The funny thing is that by the Graun doing this. It has been re posted everywhere since.
The list has gone viral because it highlights the sheer audacity of our craven media’s attempt to depict Britains most prominent anti-racist MP as an apologist for racism.
The Guardians campaign to damage Corbyn proved chillingly effective but any lingering illusions doubts readers may have held about the paper being progressive, anti-austerity or antiwar have been shattered.
Only those at Guardian Towers know if this is a price worth paying because at some point even Britains politically illiterate public will realise they have been conned – as incredulity turns to anger it is likely some of those riding the media’s antisemitism bandwagon will disappear into obscurity.
For some the schadenfreude will be quite delicious.
Different Frank: GOOD. I hope thousands upon thousands see the reposting and start waking up to what rags like The Guardian really are.
A most beautiful display of the ‘Streisand Effect’. One has to wonder though, how gullible and callous the Gonadian’s inklings/keyboard bangers actually can be? Who is in charge? Are there bonuses for doing the bidding of a foreign rogue region? As someone who discovered a long time ago that screen captures are the only way to document the filth emanating from Deep Fascism’s propaganda outlets. Because there is scientific knowledge about the reading habits of the majority. It’s “Headline News” – the ‘head’ lines are creating what goes in personal contact among humans as First Impressions. Needless to say that the propaganda department working under the guidelines of Bernays (whose image has got to be hanging somewhere at the Gonadian’s) attempts feverishly to create these ‘first impressions’ to manipulate those still battling their human condition. However, as one famous German caricaturist, poet and great thinker declared so eloquently: “Hier wie… Read more »
Sorry about that. Saturday morning…
As someone who discovered a long time ago that screen captures are the only way to document the filth emanating from Deep Fascism’s propaganda outlets, my collection of captured nastiness is extensive. Maybe an animated video with the material will help people to figure out what is done to them?
As late as October 2016 Guardian golden boy Chuka Umanna was saying; ‘Some have suggested there is institutional antisemitism across the whole of the Labour Party. This is not a view I share not least because I have not seen one incident of antisemitism in almost 20 years of activism within my local Labour party’ – a short while later the poor lad abandoned the party claiming shadow cabinet meetings were akin to the gathering of the Reich generals at Wannsee. More recently 200 Jewish luminaries wrote to the 8 Labour defectors saying; “It is in this context that we welcome the Labour party’s endorsement of freedom of expression on Israel and on the rights of Palestinians. Labour is correct to recognise that while prejudice against Jewish people is deplorable, criticism of Israel’s government and policies can and must be made. We urge all who wish to see an end… Read more »
My earlier comment didn’t appear because, according to the message, I was ‘posting too soon’. It’s disappointing, after taking time to compose a comment, to find it consigned to the bin because I was too early. Perhaps you could advise the desired or necessary delay between article and first comment so I don’t waste my time again. Many thanks.
As we have to keep saying – the ‘posting too soon’ response is NOT UNDER OUR CONTROL. We have no comment filtering of any kind in place – beyond an automatic holdback for comments with more than three links (as a spam filter). I realise it’s frustrating for you – but it is for us too.
Our comment system seems to ave crashed totally since yesterday 6pm GMT and is only now getting back online.
The note at the bottom of the page says that posts with more than TWO hyperlinks will be “retained for moderation”.
In any case, two, or three, seems unnecessarily restrictive. Can you change it to four?
As somebody else said, it’s always a good idea to save your comment in a text editor, so that you can repost it, if necessary.
Same happened to me. I just wanted to say, maybe the Guardian has employed all those people who used to be “cif watch” as censors? Remember those nutters? They must be in ecstasy now.
Desperate. Communicate properly.
Compose your reply on a word processor, then Copy’n’Paste it onto the thread. That way you can have a backup in case something goes wrong with your original posting; or for future reference in your Diary.
happened to me twice yesterday, but the comments appeared anyway..go figure
Robyn: Hiya Robyn, missed your reply to me back on the 28th re: friends in Australia. I only saw it last night, saw your comment here – so here goes: I’m trying to distance myself from the two who slavishly support Capitalism, yet refuse to look at the consequences. Whenever I’ve bought up Yemen or Palestine or the real danger of nuclear war or the ever increasing inequality in Australia, just Total silence. Don’t even get a reply. I never said anything. They live in Adelaide – white collar and Uni educated. I moved to Melbourne 2 years ago. If I talk about banal superficial stuff – get replied to. We had some tempestuous arguments face to face while I was in Adelaide. I’ve given up. Am like you – trying to detach. Another friend, also in Adelaide Does get it, he fully understands Imperialism and Neoliberalism and the consequences… Read more »
Welcome to the club! I have experienced the same and was gently persuaded to “Don’t Panic!” Best practice is to simply “select all -> copy and then hit the ‘Back’ button. The comment will be posted. And it is also important to remember that the entirety of the internet is monitored and sabotaged by the Deep Fascists’ stooges. It has nothing to do with OffGuardian. Same goes for ‘spotify’, or other comment modules where the nastiest demagoguery can be posted as long as it is railing against muslims, transgender people, Russians, socialism, free healthcare and getting money out of politics.
Discipline (new habit) : – if not composing an internet reply in a separate text editor or word processing app, always – did i say always – yes ALWAYS copy and paste to such an app – BEFORE clicking to send – and of course, if a first response, the check box for notification of new comments etc. I associate the too soon message with having posted a lot into a thread – usually because of responding to posts in my email inbox. The reflection of having ‘lost the work’ is not a disqualifying of the willingness of active purpose. I don’t think anything true is wasted, even if I cant give you the physics to support my conviction in terms the world understands. But we are also thus in a willingness that transforms us by living it – even if we THINK to hopefully be serving that in the… Read more »