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Anti-Capitalism is NOT Anti-Semitism The media are trying to turn the 1% into a protected minority

Kit Knightly

A political cartoon from 1883, depecting four notable Robber Barons being supported by their workers. Is this image a hate crime? Will it be described as such soon?

Rhetoric about the 1 per cent and economic inequality has the same underlying theme – anti-capitalism masks and normalises anti-Semitism.

The above quote appeared in the Financial Times over the weekend. It is a piece of twisted logic, designed to demonise an entire political movement. And it is a lie, BUT it does tell an important truth, it just does it by accident.

Namely – that “antisemitism” in Labour is a political invention, used to curb a popular movement against corruption, austerity and growing inequality.

Labour doesn’t have an antisemitism crisis. It doesn’t need to “listen more” or “try harder”. It isn’t toxic. Or racist. Or full of bullies. None of that is true.

Nobody is denying antisemites exist. There’s a small minority of people who hate Jews just for being Jews. This is unfortunate, but also true of every race, sexual orientation and religion. Everybody, somewhere, has someone who hates them for what they are. The problem is relatively small, and in the Labour party, it’s even smaller than in the general public. This graph was brought to our attention on twitter:

Study it. Memorise the statistic. 0.08%. Less than one in 10,000 – and even that is a generous estimation. It could easily be far, far lower. That’s not a problem. It’s not even a taint. It is a problem so small that making it a priority is absurd. The statistics prove it.

The counter to these statistics? Nothing. Those who claim Labour is “institutionally antisemitic” present no evidence but anecdote. Apparently, Luciana Berger had people abuse her on twitter – not one of them is proven to have any link to the Labour party. Journalists say “a Jewish friend told me X”, a lot. A poll comes out that “British Jews might leave” if Corbyn were PM. None of that is evidence of anything.

Even the specific cases never stand up to scrutiny – let’s look at the big four:

#1 Marc Wadsworth – Wadsworth was kicked out of Labour for “bringing the party into disrepute” by spreading “antisemitic conspiracy theories”. This is his allegedly antisemitic statement:

I saw that the Telegraph handed a copy of a press release to Ruth Smeeth MP so you can see who is working hand in hand.”

Accusing some Blairite MP of working with right-wing media to undermine Corbyn is not antisemitic just because the MP happens to be Jewish.

#2 The mural –

The mural is not antisemitic – Mear One, the artist, said so himself, here are his exact words on the matter:

It was also [the media’s] interpretation, and never mine, to point out “hook noses” “crooked noses” and other vile Nazi, Third Reich anti-Semitic propaganda, even concocting cuckoo ideas like how the naked figures under the monopoly board depicted “starving holocaust victims” when they actually represent the multi-races of humanity! As a thinking feeling human being to hear such stuff makes me sick to my stomach.

The people sitting around that table, far from being “Jewish caricatures” the media pretended they were, are specifically named in Mear One’s open letter to the media:

I chose to depict the likenesses of such early turn of the century Robber Barons, specifically Rothschild, Rockefeller, Morgan, Carnegie, Warburg, as well Aleister Crowley who was a kind of philosophical guru to the ruling elite of that time and a well-known Satanist.

Carnegie, Morgan, Rothschild, Rockefeller, Warburg and Aleister Crowley(?). Five billionaires and a Satanist. Out of the six of them, only two were Jewish. (In fact, the only person included in the mural because of their religion is Crowley. So really it’s an anti-Satanic mural).

If you look at that and say “they must be Jewish because of the noses”, like this TV reporter did, well then YOU are being anti-semitic.

#3 “Hitler was a Zionist” – Ken Livingstone claiming that it was policy, in the early years of Nazi Germany, to support Zionism was not antisemitic. He was referencing a very specific historical fact – some Zionists did strike a deal with Hitler to relocate German Jews to Palestine. It was called the Haavara Agreement and it happened. It is a fact.

#4 Chris Williamson – It has been done to death. Chris Williamson was saying Labour should defend itself more stridently against accusations of antisemitism. There is nothing antisemitic about that.

All of this hysteria is built on just these incidents – each and every one a nothing burger. A less than nothing burger. A reduced fat nothing burger. There’s no meat here, no substance.

There is clearly no need to “stamp out” antisemitism in the Labour party – because there IS no antisemitism in the Labour Party.

The best and clearest evidence for this is the fact many Jews support Corbyn, and defend him, and his party, against these accusations.

The second best evidence is the readiness with which the media (many of them non-Jews), ignore, vilify, victimise, bully and smear these brave people:

Jackie Walker is Jewish, she was hounded out of her party accused of “antisemitism”. When an organisation – Jewish Voice for Labour – tried to show a film defending Walker in Parliament, they too were branded “antisemitic”. In case you need it spelt out for you “Jewish Voice for Labour” is a Jewish group.

Michael Segalov is a Jewish journalist, and Labour member, who has repeatedly stood up for Corbyn and Labour both. He was branded a “self-hating Jew” by Dangerous Hero author Tom Bower.

Two-hundred Jewish intellectuals and public figures signed an open letter defending the Labour party against charges of institutional racism. They were ignored, they have no part in the official narrative.

Jeremy Corbyn attended a Seder event with a group of Jews in his constituency last year – he was criticised for “Jew baiting”. The Jews he was with were, apparently the “wrong kind of Jew”, according to John Woodcock. Angela “Funny Tinge” Smith called it “a blatant dismissal of the need to tackle antisemitism.” Neither Woodcock nor Smith are Jewish.

The group with which Corbyn celebrated Passover is called Jewdas, they are a left-wing Jewish group who protest the crimes of Israel and fight for (among other things) Palestinian rights. Woodcock and Smith are both members of the Labour Friends of Israel.

Corbyn has vowed that his Labour government would recognise an independent Palestinian state, and immediately halt all arms sales to the Israeli government.

But is this really just about Israel? I would say no. It’s about something bigger. Something more all-encompassing than that. In fact, by blaming Israel I think we play straight into the hands of those seeking to turn this into a discussion about race or religion. It is not about either. It is old fashioned left vs right.

The Times’ David Aaronovitch recently tweeted this:

He makes it plain – this is not a Jewish issue. Jenny Manson is Jewish. Her organization is Jewish…her politics are left-wing. And therein lies the problem.

This isn’t about Jews. It was never about Jews. That has been my position from the beginning. What’s different now, is that the other side has finally admitted it: This is about socialism. That’s been made obvious just in the last few days.

And so we circle back to John McTernan’s piece in the Financial Times, headlined “Labour’s mistake is to believe there are no enemies to the left”. His argument is that [our emphasis]:

All of these [anti-semitic tropes] feature in the criticism of Israel and the so-called Israel lobby. They can easily be moulded into a critique of capitalism too. Rhetoric about the 1 per cent and economic inequality has the same underlying theme…So anti-capitalism masks and normalises anti-Semitism.

That was published on March 1st. This was published yesterday, in The Guardian.

John Harris’ article is similarly headlined: “The unanswered question: why do antisemites think Labour is the party for them?”, and is in all other ways nearly identical. Right down to the almost copy-and-paste anecdotes of conversations with anonymous “Jewish Labour members”. One of his final arguments:

[The Labour Party] now tends to present the very real failings of modern capitalism not as a matter of anything systemic, but the work of a small group of people who are ruining things for the rest: what Corbyn calls a “self-serving elite”, who “monopolise the wealth that should be shared by each and every one of us”.

You see, it’s not being “antisemitic” that’s the issue – it’s being anti-capitalist. We can’t attack the elite, because they are a minority. This opinion has been expressed in many other places.

The (privately-owned) “grass-roots” movement Momentum released this video a few days ago. It is factually incorrect in many areas (for one thing, not all Central Banks are “state enterprises”), but more importantly it sells a huge lie in an effort to stifle debate: It says criticism of the Rothschilds, globalism, “corrupt bankers”, George Soros and Zionists means buying into “antisemitic conspiracy theories”. That is, of course, nonsense.

“Labour” MP Siobhan McDonagh argued that being antisemitic is an inherent part of anti-capitalist ideology, in a BBC Radio 4 interview on Monday morning.

It is even hinted at in the UK’s newest “political party” – The Independent Group. Chuka Umunna, the de facto leader via the small miracle of somehow being the most charismatic in a group of 11 people, told the New Statesman:

We’ve got a good chance of moving towards less of a left-right dichotomy and less of a politics based on class and ownership

They are saying it out loud. They are shouting it in our faces – STOP TALKING ABOUT INEQUALITY. STOP TALKING ABOUT POVERTY. STOP TALKING ABOUT SOCIALISM.

Arch-capitlalist and ad-man extraordinaire Don Draper’s most famous quote is “If you don’t like what’s being said, change the conversation.”

That is what is going on here. Wealth redistribution is being rebranded as antisemitism. Criticising billionaires is now “prejudice against people of means”. Blaming the rich 1% will be called “hate speech”.

The media haven’t turned against Corbyn’s Labour party because of antisemitism – they have invented antisemitism as a reason to turn against the only mainstream party dedicated to ending austerity and implementing socialist politics.

This, in a nutshell, is the whole purpose of identity politics – to distract, divide and disenfranchise. A sudden, violent narrowing of the Overton window to protect the super-rich from the fully justified anger of the working class. The end product of all this talk about race and gender and privilege is, to quote Jonathan Pie, “Thatcherism with diversity quotas”.

A world of perpetual neo-liberal austerity, and a mass of cowed citizens bullied out of complaining, for fear of being convicted of a hate crime.

The establishment wants us to stop talking about class. They want us to leave the billionaires alone. They want us to shut up about socialism. They want us to accept that being anti-capitalist is inherently morally wrong.

And the more we talk about this fictional antisemitism, the more they win.

Kit Knightly is co-editor of OffGuardian. The Guardian banned him from commenting. Twice. He used to write for fun, but now he's forced to out of a near-permanent sense of outrage.

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Kit Knightly is co-editor of OffGuardian. The Guardian banned him from commenting. Twice. He used to write for fun, but now he's forced to out of a near-permanent sense of outrage.

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milosevic
milosevic

— apparently, budget cuts at the Mossad have resulted in the use of parrots trained to continually squawk “Hitler! Nazi!”, as hasbara trolls.

Current field reports suggest that the program is less effective than was initially expected.

milosevic
milosevic

Hasbara Fellowships is educating and training the leaders for Israel on campus today, as well as the future leaders for the Jewish People beyond campus. Hasbara Fellowships is the largest and most comprehensive Israel advocacy training program to Israel for North American university students. This investment in intensive leadership training has proven to produce leaders who are standing up for Israel on campuses.

http://hasbarafellowships.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/2018-19-Deck.pdf

mark
mark

The Mossad director thought he’d get more sense out of the parrots. Less abusive and more pleasant personalities as well. Quite intelligent, the Norwegian Blue.

milosevic
milosevic

nonsenseneedstobefought

This baboon is still at it, guys. And he responds with Monty Python videos. That’s literally what a baboon he is.

Mucho
Mucho

This is an absolute “must watch”. Orthodox Jews speaking out in defence of Ilhan Omar. Orthodox Jews speaking out against Zionism. Orthodox Jews being beaten up on the streets of Israel by the IDF.

mark
mark

This isn’t so unusual. I saw a group of orthodox Jews and some rabbis at a Gaza demonstration. Quite a lot of Jews have spoken out against the crimes and evil ideology of Zionism, Blumenthal, Finkelstein, Unz, Atzmon, Peled, Avnery – often at great cost to themselves, just as previously many Germans opposed Nazi ideology. You have to salute their courage. They are targeted with particular venom by Zionist thugs and hoodlums.

Mucho
Mucho

To see Orthodox Jews being beaten and dragged around like pieces of meat on the streets iof Israel is unusual though…….certainly for me, and I can only assume others will feel the same. I am genuinely shocked, although given their treatment of Palestinians, I am eqully not shocked.

nonsenseneedstobefought

These people should be commended for their stance against Zionism, and it only STRENGTHENS my case. This, however, does not excuse the Nazification of the discussion by you and your baboon alter-ego “milosevic”.

nonsenseneedstobefought

There seems to be a lot of devotion to European feudal-religious tradition in this comment section, accompanied by lots of passive aggressive thumbing down of comments that call out said feudal-religious tradition. Weird. And then, apparently I’m the bad guy for thinking that the death of Himmler was well deserved. Guys: at least TRY to rise above the level of the Nazis, yeah? I can help, but I can’t do all the legwork for you.

Yours sincerely,

progressive humanity.

milosevic
milosevic

The market for hasbara is collapsing. Nobody is buying it, anymore.

Return to your Mossad handlers. Tell them that you have failed.

nonsenseneedstobefought

Drools the pathetic moon-landing denying capuchin monkey whose entire life is built upon “exposing” the “Jooz”.

Frankly Speaking
Frankly Speaking

Many of us don’t like where humanity is “progressing“ to; war, destruction, immorality, perversions, fraud, violence, environmental destruction.

nonsenseneedstobefought

Me neither. That’s why I oppose anti-Jewish sentiment and other gutter ideologies.

nonsenseneedstobefought

Could you please advise me on what you mean by “immorality” and “perversion”, by the way? I’m curious, because much hinges on this particular point.

milosevic
milosevic

nonsenseneedstobefought

Not watching that either.

Wilmers31
Wilmers31

It is all very well to talk about anti-capitalism but without capital you can’t do very much.

There are two kinds of capitalism and they should not be confused. Private capitalism and state/public capitalism. Private capitalism is the one which is incorporated in Delaware and runs their accounts through the Caymans. We have no influence on what they do, prices, projects, pollution, profits. They generally carve out more profits, at the expense of the middle or lower classes and then use the profits for their own pleasure.

State or public capitalism. which is a segment in China, is the one where people can have an influence on. Profits can go into housing, schools, hospitals or something productive. It is not capitalism per se which we have learned to reject after bitter experiences, but the increasing private capitalism.

mark
mark

Have to break out the hasbara repellent. We’re getting knee deep in trolls kvetching and oy veying like it’s going out of style.

Her Ladyship Baroness Warsi is doing a bit of kvetching herself about Tory racism and Islamophobia. Why not? If you can’t beat them, join them. The Board of Deputies can give her a few handy tips. Don’t think the Zionist Media will be all that interested though. The Chosen People aren’t involved.

Frankly Speaking
Frankly Speaking

“Debunking the myth that anti-Zionism is antisemitic”

None of you will guess which news website this article is posted on, it’s incredible, can’t believe it.
Someone will get the sack for this, even jailed for “hate speeech” !

https://bit.ly/2tX0k8i

Haltonbrat
Haltonbrat

Perhaps the Grauniad is getting worried about the lack of donations from readers. Obviously no comments allowed.

George Cornell
George Cornell

No comments allowed = we know there will be lots of truth coming our way which is embarrassing and contrary to our goals, and having to delete so many comments is exhausting.

Mucho
Mucho

No mention of all the Russians in Israel, in the article, which is interesting, considering they make up a considerable % of the Israeli population and also considering that every single Prime Minister of Israel since its inception, bar none, was either born in the USSR or is descended from parents who were, including Bibi. Brendan O Connell has looked into this, and has done some very interesting research into what is going on there
Brendan O Connell videos – https://vimeo.com/belltowerboy

nonsenseneedstobefought

And then “Mucho” conveniently forgot about how the Soviets armed, trained and supported the Arab states during their confrontations with Israel while it was France, Britain and the US who supported Israel. But this won’t stop “Mucho” from deriving some kooky “Jewish Bolshevism” “theory” involving magical Jewish wizards who control absolutely everything. Maybe his stupid ass also forgot that many Jews who emigrated from the USSR didn’t LIKE being in the USSR and moved for that reason?

“every single Prime Minister of Israel since its inception, bar none, was either born in the USSR ”

A pathetic, despicable lie. But that’s to be expected from thugs.

mark
mark

They didn’t support Jordan. Or Saudi Arabia. Or Kuwait. Or Oman. Or any of the west’s pet Gulf dictatorships. And how Egypt fought a war with the Zionist Regime after it had expelled the Russians from the country. But don’t let facts get in the way of a bit of trolling. Everyone knows facts are “anti semitic.”

nonsenseneedstobefought

‘They didn’t support Jordan. Or Saudi Arabia. Or Kuwait. Or Oman. Or any of the west’s pet Gulf dictatorships. ”

Thanks. That actually strengthens my case.

And the Soviets weren’t supporting Israel, you desperately sloppy imbecile.

nonsenseneedstobefought

“Netanyahu was born in 1949 in Tel Aviv, Israel, to Tzila Segal (28 August 1912 – 31 January 2000) who had been born in Petah Tikva in the Ottoman Empire’s Mutasarrifate of Jerusalem, and a Warsaw-born father, Prof. Benzion Netanyahu (1910–2012).”

That took me literally 5 seconds to find. Hmmm, yeah: the “USSR”. Pathetic animal.

Mucho
Mucho

“Related to the Rabbi Eliyahu of Vilna (the Vilna Gaon) on his paternal side, Netanyahu was born in Tel Aviv, to Benzion Netanyahu (original name Mileikowsky) and Cela (Tsilah; née Segal). His mother was born in 1912 in Petah Tikva, part of the future British Mandate of Palestine that eventually became Israel. Though all his grandparents were born in the Russian Empire (now Belarus, Lithuania and Poland), his mother’s parents emigrated to Minneapolis in the United States. “

Mucho
Mucho

So, save for the fact that Netanyahu’s father changed his birth name, Netanyahu’s surname should be “Mileikowsky”. Sounds kinda Soviet, don’t you think?

nonsenseneedstobefought

“Netanyahu’s surname should be “Mileikowsky”. Sounds kinda Soviet, don’t you think?”

Nope, it doesn’t. Why are you red-baiting like a neoliberal Democrat?

nonsenseneedstobefought

“The Russian Empire” isn’t “the USSR”.

Wilmers31
Wilmers31

The US ABCnews banned me (after I posted this on disqus/Russia Insider).

“The western financiers sought out Jews or those with Jewish background for strawmen when, under Yeltsin, they bought all the vouchers that should have netted them the ownership of all of Russia’s assets.

Khodorkovsky, Browder, Marc Rich, Berezovsky, where you look, the Jewish influence was there. The reason was that when Jews do business with Jews and a disagreement arises, the rabbis will settle it – no need to go to expensive courts of the country. It’s done in the entertainment industry, too – they prefer to work with Jews and as they make profits and move up, other people cannot compete. And in publishing, Bershidsky and Bloomberg.”

Truth and Facts?

Antonym
Antonym

Browder listening to a rabbi? He only listens to big money, WW III be damned.

mark
mark

Kushner in the US said that business disputes can all be settled by the rabbis. No need to go to court.

nonsenseneedstobefought

The reason they banned you is because you’re a barely concealed Hitler Youth enthusiast who’s itching for a pogrom.

nonsenseneedstobefought

Oh dear….it seems that all too many people here who claim to want “socialism” actually want National Socialism, imagining these to be the same thing and that the latter isn’t a misnomer and demagogic rhetorical ploy by a certain Austrian corporal to pull support away from the Left. Seriously, what’s with all the Nazis letting their hair down on this website? And what’s with the weirdly specific name of “Off-Guardian”? Did the founder get banned from a comment section, sulk into his pillow and decide to “get back at” the Guardian?

milosevic
milosevic

Did the founder get banned from a comment section, sulk into his pillow and decide to “get back at” the Guardian?

I think you’ve just outed yourself as a neoliberal disinfo shill.

Return to your CIA/Mossad masters. Tell them that you have failed.

nonsenseneedstobefought

“I think you’ve just outed yourself as a neoliberal disinfo shill.”

Oh, look: the little Nazi with an “opinion”, who whines about the Soviets defeating Hitler by pointing to the Katyn massacre wants us to believe that the Soviets were controlled and established by the people behind the CIA and Mossad. Can this creep get any more luridly stupid and pathetic? Apparently the Soviets were “neoliberals”.

“Return to your CIA/Mossad masters. Tell them that you have failed.”

I would, if I was actually trying to promote the CIA and Mossad. Your cover has been blown open, David Duke. You fool nobody with your bumbling stupidity and idiocy.

milosevic
milosevic

bumbling stupidity and idiocy

— says the person who believes most Jews live in Israel.

nonsenseneedstobefought

“— says the person who believes most Jews live in Israel.”

More like “says the person who thought that most Jews live in Israel but admits his mistake, unlike the animal “milsoevic”, who clings desperately to every Nazi trope he can lay his hands on.” Being unable to ever admit that you’re wrong is a sign of a sick mind.

nonsenseneedstobefought

The animal “milosevic” thinks that because this website – which isn’t administered by me – has a weirdly specific and salty name, that this makes ME – the person who doesn’t administer it – a “neoliberal”. Who can argue with someone who thinks in this unique way? In Nazi Germany, of course, such people found many avenues of employment in organizations such as the SA, SS, SD and Gestapo. The animal “milosevic” won’t challenge me on the point that his preferred National Socialism isn’t an actual instance of socialism, so he pulls out the cheap “neoliberal shill” card, ignores the contradictions entailed thereby, and invariably bungles it. What a bumbling fascist buffoon!

milosevic
milosevic

The animal “milosevic”

oy, gevalt! the filthy goyim are rising up! it’s like the Chmielnitski rebellion, all over again!

Israel Shahak — Jewish History, Jewish Religion: The Weight of Three Thousand Years

won’t challenge me on the point that his preferred National Socialism isn’t an actual instance of socialism

you’re just like all Mossad shills — a f***ing liar. I never said anything about what “National Socialism” is or is not, or that I “preferred” it.

If you’re suggesting that I’m not a fan of the mass-murdering Stalin regime, I plead extremely guilty.

Voline — The Unknown Revolution, 1917-1921

What a bumbling fascist buffoon!

It seems that you are highly practiced in the art and science of fascist buffoonery, so I humbly defer to your superior expertise.

nonsenseneedstobefought

“you’re just like all Mossad shills — a f***ing liar. I never said anything about what “National Socialism” is or is not, or that I “preferred” it.”

And yet, you DO prefer it, given your Nazi credentials. You can’t stop with your deranged, inhuman devotion to gutter religious-chauvinist filth and promotion of Nazi memes.

“If you’re suggesting that I’m not a fan of the mass-murdering Stalin regime, I plead extremely guilty.”

So was Hitler. What’s your point?

“It seems that you are highly practiced in the art and science of fascist buffoonery, so I humbly defer to your superior expertise.”

There’s no science of “fascist buffoonery”. Fascism tries to turn social control in a science (especially through the use of crowds, mass hysteria and emotive memes), but that’s different to the buffoonery of individual fascists who are so incompetent that they reveal themselves as hardcore fascists even though this hurts their case in debates. I was observing that you’re a buffoon and a bungler. Don’t worry: I would never ascribe to you any competence in science.

You’re becoming increasingly terse and visibly upset. I think this shows that your true nature is being exposed, and you don’t like that at all.

milosevic
milosevic

You’re becoming increasingly terse

yes, I grow tired of refuting the recycled lies of low-grade disinfo shills like yourself. sue me.

nonsenseneedstobefought

Says the Nazi propagandist and demagogue.

milosevic
milosevic

Your mentality is typical of racists of all varieties. If one isn’t a supporter of one flavour of ethnic supremacism, then they must be a partisan of some competing form of racism. If you aren’t a zionist (which we keep hearing that all non-self-hating Jews are), then you must be a nazi (as all non-self-hating Germans were said to be).

Perceiving the world through their racist ideology, it is impossible for them to conceive that other people might be able to oppose all varieties of racism and ethnic supremacism. One sees this particularly with zionist propagandists — Jewish ethnic supremacism is so fundamental to their consciousness, they can’t even perceive it. They don’t know they’re doing it, it’s just like the air they breathe.

nonsenseneedstobefought

Ah, look guys: the Nazi is trying to paint himself as the racial egalitarian and anti-chauvinist 🙂 In his pathetic craven desperation after being exposed as an adherent of National “Socialism” and torch-bearer for Hitler’s ideology, he wants you to overlook the fact that his opponent openly called for Israel to be dissolved and that he, not me, is the Holocaust denier, believer in a Tsarist anti-Jewish fabrication, and gutter red-baiting anti-socialist. He fools only imbeciles and low-lives with his bungled attempt at cleverly using weasel words.

The fascist buffon and rabid animal is probably even unaware that he’s lying. For him, truth and fantasy have become so blurred into a slimy mucus that lying for a greater “Truth” is for him like breathing air. It defines and characterizes him, as it did his favorite Austrian corporal.

milosevic
milosevic

slimy mucus

sorry, I don’t really enjoy the kind of food served in the Mossad cafeteria.

nonsenseneedstobefought

“sorry, I don’t really enjoy the kind of food served in the Mossad cafeteria.”

Is that supposed to be some sort of jab at Jewish food? Pathetic. What are you, 8?

mark
mark

It looks like they’ve put on another shift at the troll factory.

Antonym
Antonym

Indeed: producing loads of likes for mark and milosevic
Probably easy in Internet cafes with many different PCs.

nonsenseneedstobefought

I do wonder about where all these likes for “milosevic” and “mark” and all these thumbs down for my comments are coming from. I don’t think that even on this edge-lord website (I say that advisedly, because I do agree with much of what is written on this site, but it has an oddly sulky “anti-SJW” and “that’s white genocide!” vibe to it that invariably attracts alt-right mouth-breathers), there are THAT many Nazis here. Some of these Nazi trolls are definitely one and the same person. I would bet that “mark” and “milosevic” are the same person, with one being a white nativist American, the other being an Ustasha-worshiping Baltic traditionalist.

mark
mark

Wrong on all counts, old chap.
If you don’t like all the thumbs down, you could just try not peddling hasbara garbage – or at least try to be a bit more original when you do.

nonsenseneedstobefought

“Wrong on all counts”, says the creep who hasn’t gotten a single thing right so far.

milosevic
milosevic

an Ustasha-worshiping Baltic traditionalist

— these cut-price hasbara morons are so stupid, that they don’t know the difference between “Baltic” and “Balkan”.

* note to Israel Lobby Propaganda Department: please add an explanation of this important distinction to the next edition of the Hasbara Handbook — we’re not getting the same quality of disinfo trolls that we used to.

nonsenseneedstobefought

I award you one more point for getting something right. This brings your grand total up to 2.

nonsenseneedstobefought

The troll called “mark” has an alter-ego known as “milosevic”, and he’s working double time in the service of keeping the Nazi dream alive! “Well done”, I guess? I really don’t know what to say to that.

mark
mark

Why not? You’ve never been lost for words (and insults) before.

nonsenseneedstobefought

I believe that your parents insulted humanity by “contributing” you to it.

George Cornell
George Cornell

Nonsense needs to be fought and you certainly provide the fodder. Animal? Weird..? Nazi? Cheap? Shill? Bungles? Bumbling? Fascist? Buffoon?

There are courses in good places in critical thinking, and in debating. You may wish to check them out. Personal attack characterizes those without education or self-control. Why announce these to the readers? Are you so lacking in insight that you think this helps your “argument”.

nonsenseneedstobefought

Everything I said was perfectly accurate. Not my fault if you need to hide behind evasive, slimy rhetorical flourishes and lawyer-speak to defend your pathetic beliefs.

George Cornell
George Cornell

there must be better ways for you to exorcise, or should that be exercise, your demons.

nonsenseneedstobefought

There must be some way for you to exorcise your weird obsessions with Jews and bit-coin.

milosevic
milosevic

These hasbara operatives seem to have an odd fixation with bitcoin, which nobody else here has even mentioned.

Maybe they’re assigned multiple forums to troll concurrently, and they have trouble remembering which is which. Or maybe they’re afraid that any attempt to escape from the central-bank fiat currency regime is “anti-semitic”. Why would that be?

nonsenseneedstobefought

“These hasbara operatives seem to have an odd fixation with bitcoin, which nobody else here has even mentioned.”

Bitcoin is the obsession of many Alex Jones types such as yourself. I did nothing to promote it.

“Maybe they’re assigned multiple forums to troll concurrently, and they have trouble remembering which is which. Or maybe they’re afraid that any attempt to escape from the central-bank fiat currency regime is “anti-semitic”. Why would that be?”

Ah, more of the “central bank” obsession. Sounds like something you need to discuss with your sex therapist. Hmmm?

mark
mark

“Thug”, “stupid ass”, “weasel”, “animal”, “rabid animal”, “Nazi”, “little Nazi”, “Hitler Youth”, “David Duke”, “Fascist buffoon”, “holocaust denier”, “Nazi propagandist.”

All in a day’s insults in a long shift down the hasbara factory.
It’s about time they gave these trolls some new material to work with.

nonsenseneedstobefought

Was that supposed to be an argument?

milosevic
milosevic

The putrid discourse that these shills employ is merely an indication of their putrid consciousness.

A decent person, finding that they had no rational argument to offer, might conclude that they should reconsider their opinions, and adopt some which could be rationally defended. These fascist scum, on the other hand, who tell lies as effortlessly as breathing, once they are contradicted, see no option but to attempt to drag everybody else down into the “piss, slime, and effluent” in which they themselves reside.

nonsenseneedstobefought

“might conclude that they should reconsider their opinions, and adopt some which could be rationally defended. ”

Says the dishonest coward who slunk away from even the bare minimum of acknowledging that he doesn’t know what he’s talking about in regards to the Apollo moon missions, preferring instead to adhere to the party line that it was “fake” because his pathetic little tinfoil hat cult needs it to be. You need to drain the slime, piss and effluent from out of your head, though I’m afraid that whatever brain matter you have left won’t be able to do without the sustenance thus lost. Fascist scum like you are a disease.

Mucho
Mucho

So nonsenseneedstobefought, please can you watch this critique of the Apollo 11 moon lander, supposedly on the moon? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6vAiyUIQog
If you are short on attention span, as the video does clock in at a whopping 17 minutes, please forward to 7 minutes and 14 seconds in. Correct me if I’m wrong, but it looks a lot like a paper type material. After you have watched the film, or at least that section of it, please can you confirm that you are happy to endorse the validity of Apollo 11? Please will go on record to confirm you have:
1) Watched the film, or at least the section I have highlighted
2) That you are 100% sure that despite the major flaws the author of the video highlights, you disagree with him and you 100% believe that this craft was genuinely on the moon?

nonsenseneedstobefought

All the evidence points to it being on the moon. No actual scientist, aerospace engineer or former Soviet official disputes that.

nonsenseneedstobefought

The bozo in the video seems to literally get his expectations of space technology from Hollywood films and children’s coloring books. Just because something “looks like paper type material” to his untrained and ignorant eye doesn’t mean shit. Maybe if he actually looked at the specifications available online of the lunar spacecraft, he’d have to stop appealing to the ignorance and incredulity of his audience. Instead, he offers nothing but his big-jawed opinions that “this doesn’t look right.”

Note that he’s also saying that NASA spent billions on the hoax, but that it cheaped out on the actual lunar lander and left “obvious” “mistakes” in – but that the Soviets didn’t pick up on this because their engineers were too incompetent. Or something. I honestly don’t think he thought that far ahead.

Videos like this only strengthen and corroborate my conviction that moon landing deniers are corrupt and debased, and are willing to lie and mislead without a morsel of shame.

labrebisgalloise

Thanks for this excellent article Kit. You finish by quite rightly fingering identity politics as an important factor in the advent of this bullshit. Examining a lot of the people who pile in on Corbyn, we find similar trends: they were often parachuted into constituencies by Blair, often on the back of all-women shortlists; the older hands were universally supporters of bombing wherever; they universally support the NATO alliance (I’m old enough to remember when Joan Maynard, Ernie Ross and others were MPs), by and large they support the EU uncritically and a significant number were post-graduate students at US universities. Funnily enough, these are “qualities” they share with many leading liberal journalists. Sometimes they are non-white or gay – it doesn’t take much imagination to see future all black, all gay, all transgender etc. shortlists. I don’t give a shit about my representative’s race, gender, sexual orientation etc. etc. The important thing that Blair did was to exclude socialists from any shortlist. That’s the issue now: to make sure that if Labour IS a socialist party, then its elected representatives should come from all-socialist shortlists, regardless what they look like, what’s between their legs or what they do in private.

Martin Usher
Martin Usher

Way back in the 1930s one of the arguments used against communism by the Nazis was that it was that communism was a Jewish ideology bent on world domination. Nobody seemed to notice that a very similar theory had been floated used about Jewish plots for world domination due to their presence in international finance some years previously otherwise people might have been asking why international finance and communism seemed to be working together.

The power of propaganda, its a wonderful thing. It seems you can get large numbers of people to believe anything but it does require you to control the media that people use.

milosevic
milosevic
nonsenseneedstobefought

Oh look, everyone: the animal “milosevic” is helping himself to a delicious serving of yet another Nazi trope: the famine in the Ukraine as deliberate Soviet policy engineered with the purpose of starving millions to death 9to the detriment of the stability of the Soviet state, but no matter), to show that the Soviets “were just as bad as, if not worse, than the Nazis”, thus taking the heat off his favorite Austrian corporal and thus affording him some more space (lebensraum?) to engage in more gutter anti-Jewish sentiment. Unfortunately, he ignores that this famine was not equivalent to the Holocaust, in intent or scale, and that the actual engineered famine that did take place in the Ukraine was one which was engineered under the auspices of the Nazis as part of their deliberate policy of racial extermination and colonialism. The animal “milosevic” doesn’t want to accept these anti-Nazi hate truths.

milosevic
milosevic

this famine was not equivalent to the Holocaust

It actually turns out that not even the Holocaust was equivalent to the Holocaust.

SIX MILLION SUFFERING JEWS

nonsenseneedstobefought

Sssshhhhh, it’s okay. Here, have some nuts and berries since the zoo keeper completely forgot about you.

Your favorite Austrian corporal will be along to rescue you soon enough. He knows what a good and steadfast Nazi apologist you are and he appreciates your effort at exonerating his murderous regime.

(now, as we wait for that, reveal to me how you also think the moon landings were faked. I’m sure you’ll have lots of “amazing” things to say about it. I also look forward to your “amazing” thoughts on )

milosevic
milosevic

reveal to me how you also think the moon landings were faked.

you got me.

In 1969, American technology could (allegedly) send two men to the surface of the moon, 400,000km away.

Since 1972, no human has left low Earth orbit, 400km above the surface of the Earth. American spaceflight technology has apparently declined by a factor of a thousand over the course of half a century.

Rational people are starting to draw the appropriate conclusions.

https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Apollo_program

I’m starting to think that you may be one of those crazy 9/11 Deniers, who still desperately cling to the Official Story, which contradicts the known laws of physics.

nonsenseneedstobefought

“In 1969, American technology could (allegedly) send two men to the surface of the moon, 400,000km away.”

That’s right, tracked by the Soviet Union (and corroborated by many other countries and their scientists and engineers), their Cold War adversary who had everything to gain by exposing the whole thing as a hoax if it indeed was one. Apparently, morons like you think you’re more resourceful than the KGB, Soviet astronomers, Soviet geologists and Soviet engineers, none of whom ever contradicted the authenticity of Apollo, and this during the height of the Space Race. You’re a delusional nitwit.

“Since 1972, no human has left low Earth orbit, 400km above the surface of the Earth. ”

That’s right, due to this thing that was well known at the time (but which you’ve stupidly skipped over): budget restraints. You seem to forget (or ignore) that Apollo was only set up to beat the Soviets, and that it was done at enormous expense. You’re apparently unfamiliar with the concept of cost and the need for continued public support for a program. But tell us, “amazing” thinker: if it was fake, why wouldn’t they just KEEP ON FAKING IT? According to your pathetic logic, where cost doesn’t count for anything, they should have just kept on “faking” more missions. Are you saying that they “lost the technology” to keep faking it, even though cinematography and video has become more and more advanced and widespread?

“American spaceflight technology has apparently declined by a factor of a thousand over the course of half a century.”

That’s an incredibly stupid way of putting it, but it’s true that no humans have been beyond low Earth orbit since 1972. Again, the reason is cost and need. The US had already beaten the Soviets and there was no perceived need to keep on sending many more missions, so they rolled it back and ended it with Apollo 17. But NASA probes have been to the moon since then. Oh, you didn’t know that?

By your imbecilic logic, the US never flew the Space Shuttle, because they retired it and currently have to rely on Russia to get their astronauts to the ISS. By your imbecilic logic, the US never flew the SR-71 plane, because they retired it in the early 1990s. This sort of “amazing” logic is understandable, given that you get your notions of space travel and technology from children’s coloring books and Hollywood films. You don’t live in the adult world where money comes into play, so of course you’re going to be confused by such things.

“Rational people are starting to draw the appropriate conclusions.”

No: imbecilic big-jawed animals like you just refuse to deploy actual logic at a level above that of a toddler.

You’re really quite disgusting.

milosevic
milosevic

Apollo was only set up to beat the Soviets

all the more reason to fake it, then.

every decade or so, they make some grand announcement that they’re “going back to the moon”. just as soon as they can develop some way to protect the astronauts from the hard radiation in deep space, and on the surface of the moon. (!!!)

any day now, I’m sure.

it was done at enormous expense. You’re apparently unfamiliar with the concept of cost and the need for continued public support for a program.

currently, they’re spending a trillion dollars a year on the military, and nobody seems to think that’s a problem. surely, a small fraction of that would suffice for new moon missions.

it’s almost like there’s some serious technical problem, that was easily overcome in the 1960s, but with fifty years of technological advances, is now insurmountable.

But NASA probes have been to the moon since then.

no shit. it’s getting humans there alive, that seems to be beyond their capabilities.

no comment on 9/11 Denial, I guess. perhaps that’s a wise choice; you wouldn’t want to expose your scientific ignorance.

nonsenseneedstobefought

“all the more reason to fake it, then”

Right, but not all the more reason for the Soviets to expose it? You’re pathetic. FFS, LOL! Here, I’ll spell it out for you AGAIN since that lump of shit you call a brain is having a difficult time registering it: Apollo was during the height of the Cold War, when the SOVIETS would have had every motivation to expose the landings as fake, as well as having a vast intelligence gathering apparatus that would have easily detected such fakery – and ye the Soviets NEVER claimed that the landings were anything OTHER than authentic, even to their own people. A f***ing TODDLER could understand this point. You really do fit perfectly the stereotype of the dull-witted Nazi buffoon. Your right arm must be getting very tired by now.

“currently, they’re spending a trillion dollars a year on the military, and nobody seems to think that’s a problem. surely, a small fraction of that would suffice for new moon missions.”

I was talking about NASA, you imbecile. NASA’s budget is currently a fraciton that of the military. Apollo was comleted at the cost of around 150 billion dollars in today’s money. What part of they “the government the plug on Apollo because they didn’t want to keep spending money on it” don’t you get, you ignorant pest?

“, but with fifty years of technological advances, is now insurmountable.”

No, not “insurmouantable” .Do you need me to draw this out for you with crayons? If someone isn’t actively pursuing a program and devoting money to it, then they’re not going to do it. What children’s coloring book did you learning engineering, financial and logistical principles from? What part of “they beat the Soviets, and saw no need to keep on sending missions definitely into the future” are you having problems grasping?

“no shit. it’s getting humans there alive, that seems to be beyond their capabilities.”

Certainly beyond the capaibilities iof miserable imbeciles like you, who seem to think that NASA “lost the technology” to FAKE the moon landings. Are you saying that NASA is technically incapable of faking what they faked in the 60s? See how you logic belongs in the sewer from which you pulled it out from? Your stupidity is getting desperate.

“no comment on 9/11 Denial, I guess. perhaps that’s a wise choice; you wouldn’t want to expose your scientific ignorance.”

Says the imbecile who thinks he’s more resourceful than the KGB – the most extensive intelligence gathering organization in human history, and which somehow didn’t expose the Apollo program as fake during the height of the Cold War. For a worthless pest like you to talk about “scientific ignorance” is akin to a child molester talking about the need to protect children.

I’m not switching to talking about 9/11 until you get the bare basics of Apollo right. Now, once again: explain why the KGB or anyone at any level in the Soviet scientific, security, intelligence or engineering establishments ever came forward about the American fakery that you insist happened?

nonsenseneedstobefought

“all the more reason to fake it, then”

Right, but not all the more reason for the Soviets to expose it? You’re pathetic. FFS, LOL! Here, I’ll spell it out for you AGAIN since that lump of shit you call a brain is having a difficult time registering it: Apollo was during the height of the Cold War, when the SOVIETS would have had every motivation to expose the landings as fake, as well as having a vast intelligence gathering apparatus that would have easily detected such fakery – and ye the Soviets NEVER claimed that the landings were anything OTHER than authentic, even to their own people. A f***ing TODDLER could understand this point. You really do fit perfectly the stereotype of the dull-witted Nazi buffoon. Your right arm must be getting very tired by now.

“currently, they’re spending a trillion dollars a year on the military, and nobody seems to think that’s a problem. surely, a small fraction of that would suffice for new moon missions.”

I was talking about NASA, you imbecile. NASA’s budget is currently a fraction that of the military. Apollo was completed at the cost of around 150 billion dollars in today’s money. What part of they “the government the plug on Apollo because they didn’t want to keep spending money on it” don’t you get, you ignorant pest?

“, but with fifty years of technological advances, is now insurmountable.”

No, not “insurmountable”. Do you need me to draw this out for you with crayons? If someone isn’t actively pursuing a program and devoting money to it, then they’re not going to do it. What children’s coloring book did you learning engineering, financial and logistical principles from? What part of “they beat the Soviets, and saw no need to keep on sending missions definitely into the future” are you having problems grasping?

“no shit. it’s getting humans there alive, that seems to be beyond their capabilities.”

Certainly beyond the capabilities of miserable imbeciles like you, who seem to think that NASA “lost the technology” to FAKE the moon landings. Are you saying that NASA is technically incapable of faking what they faked in the 60s? See how you logic belongs in the sewer from which you pulled it out from? Your stupidity is getting desperate.

“no comment on 9/11 Denial, I guess. perhaps that’s a wise choice; you wouldn’t want to expose your scientific ignorance.”

Says the imbecile who thinks he’s more resourceful than the KGB – the most extensive intelligence gathering organization in human history, and which somehow didn’t expose the Apollo program as fake during the height of the Cold War. For a worthless pest like you to talk about “scientific ignorance” is akin to a child molester talking about the need to protect children.

I’m not switching to talking about 9/11 until you get the bare basics of Apollo right. Now, once again: explain why no KGB or anyone at any level in the Soviet scientific, security, intelligence or engineering establishments ever came forward about the American “fakery” that you insist happened?

mak
mak

Oy vey, look the other way! Talk about outer space!! Talk about anything!! Just don’t mention the Jews!!!

nonsenseneedstobefought

“Oh vey” sniveled and skulked the creep whose entire existence is built upon the pathetic religious legacy of anti-Jewish sentiment. He probably feels “oppressed” because he’s not allowed to carry out gruesome pogroms against women and girls.

milosevic
milosevic

don’t be stupid, be a smarty!
come and join the nazi party!

nonsenseneedstobefought

Hmmm, “clever.” What does one even say to such miserable stupidity?

nonsenseneedstobefought

LOL, “wikispooks”. You really are a miserable crackpot and Nazi shill.

milosevic
milosevic

Why not watch CNN or BBC for a while? It will make you feel better, and gradually lull you to sleep.

nonsenseneedstobefought

I don’t watch those channels. Why do you ask?

milosevic
milosevic

Why?

If you have to ask, you’re too stupid to understand.

nonsenseneedstobefought

“too stupid to understand”, says the guy who literally gets his expectations of space technology from children’s coloring books and thinks that the KGB failed where he’s “succeeded”. Did your mother’s assurances that you’re a “clever boy” get to your head when you were bestowed by her with Internet access? But I could be wrong. I look forward to hearing about the awesome scientific contributions that you and your taxi driver have made to space exploration.

milosevic
milosevic

I don’t think you understand how quotation marks are supposed to work. Maybe you should look that up, to avoid making yourself seem illiterate.

nonsenseneedstobefought

I don’t think you understand why pretending you don’t understand what I was getting at makes you look buffoonish.

George Cornell
George Cornell

Winter must be hard for people like you. Fewer insects to pull the wings off, fewer stray dogs to kick in the ribs, and fewer stray kitties to set fire to. Spring is almost here.

nonsenseneedstobefought

No George, I’m a civilized person, not a Nazi apologist like you and your moon-landing denying buffoon and crackpot alter-ego “milosevic”.

nonsenseneedstobefought

“Winter must be hard for people like you. Fewer insects to pull the wings off, fewer stray dogs to kick in the ribs, and fewer stray kitties to set fire to.”

^ George lovingly describing his alt-right gun club buddies who in Nazi Germany would have signed on eagerly for open positions in the SA, SD, SS and Gestapo.

Miss Castello
Miss Castello

“Have some nuts & berries” (blah blah): How old are you? Ten? Ffs grow up, shut up, or pss off.

nonsenseneedstobefought

No, I accused him of being an animal, not a ten year old (though he certainly has difficult grasping certain things that a 10 year old could grasp).

nonsenseneedstobefought

“(blah blah)” How old are you? Ten? FFs, grow up, shut up, or pss off. Angry racial and religious chauvinists like you and the many Jews-are-dark-wizards-with-magical-powers-summoned-through-Satan crowd who frequent the comment sections of this weirdly named website are getting tiresome. Please tell your friends to get their stupidities, diversions and personal hang-ups out from beneath my comments. Many of them deny the Holocaust and the moon-landings. What next? That evolution is a “just a theory”?

milosevic
milosevic

Everybody knows that Jews are the Chosen People. Evolution has nothing to do with it.

nonsenseneedstobefought

“Everybody” being Zionists and Nazis.

Lupulco
Lupulco

international finance and communism seemed to be working together.
Both are different sides of the same coin. like republican=Democrat. labour =Conservative
It is always about control of the majority of the people by a strong well motivated minority. Always has been and always will.
The only amswer is to make as best use of the system to serve your own interest.

jag37777

Laughable comment. This site seems to be attracting the extreme right wing fringe of late.

milosevic
milosevic

Consider the possibility that common conceptions of “left-wing” and “right-wing” have been manipulated for a hundred years, in order to disguise the activities of an ethnic supremacist cult, which has been a major controller and beneficiary of both “international finance” and “communism”.

Of course, leftist GoodThinkers like yourself will denounce me as a “facist” or a “nazi” for even mentioning this possibility. That’s how effective this disinfo campaign has been — to suggest its existence, or who might have benefited from it, is serious CrimeThink; anyone sufficiently politically incorrect as to do so, will be immediately unpersoned and cast into the outer darkness, pour encourager les autres.

Love’s Labours Lost

nonsenseneedstobefought

“international finance and communism seemed to be working together”

Where did you get that opinion from? A dumpster?

milosevic
milosevic
nonsenseneedstobefought

Why do you keep posting these red-baiting commentaries? Are you a Democrat or something?

themandus
themandus

some time back….there was a guy on an aeroplane who threw some racist abuse at I think, a Caribbean lady…..Now, that one individual – was an utter fruitcake,…..So how was it reported in he MSM – “that we should ALL be ashamed”….according to them – we were All to be branded as somehow just as repulsive and and Guilty as he ? – how cheap and sickly sad is that, as unfortunately for them, they continually fail to recognise their own Idiocy – that there coercive attempts to pshycologically manipulate the masses through a targated flow of stigma , comes across as no more than the distant drone of some rotten useless but stinking effluent spreading apparatus……Yes – enough is enough, if they can’t play fair – then we block the channels and send that nasty gutteral spew back at them…..remind them that their inflated feelings of personal ability and infallibility – are no more than a pathetic Lie !.

Joerg
Joerg

An excellent article, which unmasks these ‘false priests’.
But now its time to fight back!
Remember the term “Fake News” spread by MSM? And did you notice that this term is no longer used by MSM? This is so because after MSM was “framed” to use this term, the public more and more used the term “Fake News” against MSM itself.
This happened because MSM was the greatest producer itself of “Fake News”. For that, English language has this saying “The pot calling the kettle black”.
So those who had made the “framing” of MSM (there must be a central office!) pulled the term “Fake News” out of traffic.

And now MSM has been “framed” to use the term “Anti-Semitic”. And also here this saying “The pot calling the kettle black” fits. This because this MSM (and their controlling/framing office) are the greatest Anti-Semites you could think of.
But we have to hit it into their face! We must blame them now on and on for being “Anti-Semites”!

Why are they “Anti-Semites”?
For this you must know that the (pseudo-scientific) ideology of Anti-Semitism was developed by the French Count Arthur de Gobineau in the early 19th century. Gobineau’s ideology of ‘low value of Semites’ was directed exclusively against the Arabs – not against the descendants of the old Hebrews. We know this from Gobineau’s sentence: “.. these dark-skinned, nomadic nations, that are destined to serve“. “Jews” – as these totally racist persons call themselves (I only use the word “Jew” only(!) for a follower of the Hebrew religion) – are not “dark-skinned” and “nomadic“!
It is easy to understand that Count Gobineau developed his ideology of ‘inferiority of Arabs’ because since the early 19th century France had the desire to occupy and colonize North Africa (nowadays Algeria, Tunisia …).

So the true Anti-Semites are those who destroyed the Semitic Libya and murdered the Semitic Muhammad al Gaddafi – and those who made propaganda for this genocide (MSM).
So the true Anti-Semites are those who destroyed and still destroy the Semitic state and people of Syria and always run propagandistic attacks (MSM, Wikipedia) against that very brave Semite Baschar al-Assad.
Also the Semitic countries and people of Somalia and Sudan have been destroyed by these Anti-Semites (Nato, EU, Australia, New Zealand …) and by the propaganda of our totally Anti-Semitic MSM.

The Palestinians are the only true descendants of the old Hebrews. Thus they are “Semites”. Thus those who kill, wound and dislodge them are Anti-Semites. Our MSM which appreciate this or at least doesn’t mention this ‘creeping Holocaust’ against the Palestinians are also Anti-Semites.
If You believe that these murderous Israelis were “Semites” (they are not – see below) you have to call these Israelis at least “Mass murderous Self-Hating Semites”.

But the Israelis are not “Semites” – but “Turks”! For this see my comment from some days ago:
https://off-guardian.org/2019/02/21/counterpunch-shadowboxes-and-loses/#comment-147227
And also notice user “milosevic”s answer there, he deserves thank for: “Report finds Ashkenazi Jews descended from Turks” – https://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com/report-finds-ashkinazi-jews-descended-from-turks/

nonsenseneedstobefought

Ah, the old “anti-Semitism doesn’t even refer to Jews” trope. Nothing like quibbling about the etymology of a term to ignore the content being referenced by the common usage of the term. Maybe try dealing with the actual purport of the article (anti-Jewish sentiment and its relation, or lack thereof, to anti-capitalism), rather than pretending as though anti-Jewish sentiment is an optical illusion?

milosevic
milosevic

as though anti-Jewish sentiment is an optical illusion

We keep hearing, over and over again, that “anti-zionism is the same thing as anti-semitism”.

It is more than obvious that this is the opinion of a large majority of self-identified “Jews”.

After becoming aware of these anti-semitic hate facts, what attitude would a reasonable person adopt?

Should we tell them that they don’t understand the content of their own identity? Wouldn’t that be “anti-semitic”?

What attitude would a reasonable person adopt?

nonsenseneedstobefought

“We keep hearing, over and over again, that “anti-zionism is the same thing as anti-semitism”.”

Yes, from Zionists.

“It is more than obvious that this is the opinion of a large majority of self-identified “Jews”.”

“It is obvious” – since the majority of the world’s Jews live in Israel.

Nice try, though, but I was talking about gutter anti-Jewish sentiment of the sort that you spout: equating Federal Reserve chairmen who are Jewish with “the Jewish people” as a category; equating Judaism with Bolshevism and vice versa; minimizing the atrocities of the Nazis by pointing to the “Holodomor”; a weird obsession with Rothschilds; and drawing upon ancient religious prejudices to bolster your position.

milosevic
milosevic

the majority of the world’s Jews live in Israel.

they don’t. this is really low-grade hasbara that you’re selling.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_population_by_country

I was talking about gutter anti-Jewish sentiment of the sort that you spout

yes, as I said, anti-semitic hate facts are everywhere.

still waiting for your explanation of the Rothschild All-Seeing-Eye Pyramid adorning the Israeli Supreme Court. but I guess you can’t see it; anti-semitic hate facts are invisible to sabbat-goy GoodThinkers like yourself.

nonsenseneedstobefought

“they don’t. this is really low-grade hasbara that you’re selling.”

Okay, but many Jews outside of Israel are turning against Israel. Your absolutist mindset won’t acknowledge this, however. Whether Jews disown Israel is immaterial to you, because they still form “International Jewry” in your eyes.

“yes, as I said, anti-semitic hate facts are everywhere.”

You haven’t cited any facts, only gutter insinuations that you then convert to “facts” by pronouncement instead of analysis and appeal to base religious prejudice.

“still waiting for your explanation of the Rothschild All-Seeing-Eye Pyramid adorning the Israeli Supreme Court. but I guess you can’t see it; anti-semitic hate facts are invisible to sabbat-goy GoodThinkers like yourself.”

And I’m still waiting for you to 1) prove that it even is a “Rothschild All-Seeing-Eye Pyramid” rather than a pyramid with some circular portholes cut into it (I don’t see any “eyes”; if you do, that’s your business, but don’t try to smuggle that in as a “fact”), and 2) to provide an eloquent explanation for why conspirators would go around advertising their conspiracies to the world, thereby undermining their own interests. Your level of thinking is like that of a moon landing denier: very stupid, simple-minded and contradictory. Let’s see if we can get you up to speed on reality. Hmmm?

milosevic
milosevic

many Jews outside of Israel are turning against Israel.

— like in the 1950s, when Israel was believed to be Bad For The Jews. until the 1970s, when Israel became Good For The Jews.

A perceptive person might be able to discern what remains constant throughout these changes of opinion.

nonsenseneedstobefought

You destroyed any pretense of being a “perceptive person” when you signed onto the moon-landing denying cult, which exposes you not only as a right-wing fanatic cultural terrorist and vandal but also a scientific zero and baboon. Now go and attend to your nuts and berries; you zoo keeper is getting tired.

milosevic
milosevic

What do you have against baboons? Are you some kind of racist, or something?

Or is that the proper translation of “goyim”?

nonsenseneedstobefought

Nope, I meant baboons. You’re the one obsessed with categorizing actual people into “Aryans” and “untermenschen”.

milosevic
milosevic

a pyramid with some circular portholes cut into it

sure, the circular portholes are for the All-Seeing-Eye to See All through. what’s the point of an All-Seeing-Eye, if it’s going to be stuck inside of a pyramid?

nonsenseneedstobefought

“sure, the circular portholes are for the All-Seeing-Eye to See All through.”

In other words, you can’t show any “all-seeing eye”; you have to IMPUTE it, and then hope that I’ll just adopt that as an assumption.

I hope you don’t argue like that offline.

“what’s the point of an All-Seeing-Eye, if it’s going to be stuck inside of a pyramid?”

Says the “thinker” who hasn’t heard of a window or solar lighting in architecture.

Mucho
Mucho

Ummm, anyone who seriously believes that they landed this piece of utter garbage on the moon, is seriously deluded https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6vAiyUIQog

Mucho
Mucho

But hey, Israel is on their way to the moon as we speak, in a new updated model of the piece of shit from the previous hoax. They’ve even taken a selfie with a full picture of Earth in the background https://www.theguardian.com/science/2019/mar/05/israels-first-moon-mission-spacecraft-beresheet-sends-back-selfie
And it looks so similar to Apollo 11, proving the validity of both! Genius (not)
https://www.cnet.com/news/israel-plans-to-launch-moon-mission-on-spacex-rocket-this-year/

nonsenseneedstobefought

“But hey, Israel is on their way to the moon as we speak, in a new updated model of the piece of shit from the previous hoax. ”

^ sulked the loser who’s not any sort of scientist, engineer, or thinker, and who gets his expectations of space technology from children’s coloring books, Hollywood films and petty criminals on radio shows.

But i could be wrong! I eagerly await reading about the many contributions you and your taxi driver have made to space science and manned space travel. I’m sure that the Chinese, Russians and Europeans will be very keen to pick your brain about how to properly design a manned lunar module.

(it might have dawned on you that I haze zero respect for you)

nonsenseneedstobefought

Sorry, not watching your pathetic video by some cowardly dipshit on YouTube who scrapes to the lowest common denominator, relies on his audience being ignorant, and thinks he can crack what the Soviet KGB couldn’t. Angsty teenagers can be forgiven for thinking the moon landings were faked; anyone older than that deserves only the designation of “imbecile”. I’m sorry that you think Apollo was fake because you personally suck at math, engineering, logic and science and get your expectations of space technology from Hollywood films and children’s coloring books, but that really isn’t NASA’s fault. Maybe crack open a book sometime and learn a bit of the basics known to scientists and engineers all over the world (or write them a letter “informing that about how “deluded” they are. I’m sure you’ll have lots of “interesting” and “informative” things to say 🙂 ).

Guys: “Mucho” gets his expectations of space technology from children’s coloring books 🙂 That’s why he’s ANGRY that the Apollo craft look to his eyes to be “utter garbage” – because they don’t look sufficiently like the USS Enterprise. This is why NASA is consulting him for the design of the next lunar manned missions.

Mucho
Mucho

I make no apologuies for trying to highlight that the Apollo 11 landing module was quite clearly made in a studio, not by the world’s “leading” space agency.
If you actually watch the video, you will realise just how ridiculous it is to believe NASA did land that piece of shit on the moon. But you won’t……scared of the cognitive dissonance maybe?
NASA is 100% fraudlulent

nonsenseneedstobefought

Whatever you say big-jawed imb,ecilic child who thinks he’s more resourceful than the KGB. You’re an IMBECILE with nothing valid to say. You mistake your pathetic bleatings for “valid opinions.” You literally get your expectations of space technology from children’s coloring books. You probably think that the lunar landing module wasn’t shiny enough.

But I could be wrong! I’m sure the world’s aerospace companies will be very “interested” in your “opinion.”

Joerg
Joerg

@nonsenseneedstobefought
Ah, the old “anti-Semitism doesn’t even refer to Jews” trope
What are You fantasising about, nonsenseneedstobefought??!!
I am already an elder man and throughout my hole life to this day I never heard/read only even once“anti-Semitism doesn’t even refer to Jews”“!
But I always only experienced the opposite! That is: “anti-Semitism doesn’t even refer to Semites, except for ‘Jews’ ” (which are not even “Semites”!)
And in my comment above I forgot that is/was not only Libya+Gaddafi, Syria+Assad, but also Iraq+Saddam Hussein and the now murdered people of Yemen. All “Semites”!

It is Your totally disgusting RACISM that You, nonsenseneedstobefought, share with exactly the NAZIS!
A Jew is someone who follows the Hebrew religion (possibly a person from Ethiopia, with black skin). But people like you and also the Nazis (even today’s Nazis) try to romance about that “Jews” are a RACE or at least a collective group by “blood” (Nazis: “Blut und Boden”).

Even if(!) “Jews” were “Semites” there where not a special race! You and your Zionist troops do the same as the Nazis with “Germanic”. Yes, the Germanics where Indo-Europeans. But they were in no way a special RACE. And with the Nazis demanding that “Germanics” were a special race they at the same moment declared “Slavs” (descendants of the old Slavs are today’s, Russian. Poles, Baltic people, Czechs, Slovaks, most people of the Balkans and so on) to be humans of “low value (“minderwertig”).
And like You, nonsenseneedstobefought, and Your Zionists do the same. You declare “Jews” (wrongly believing that “Jews” are Semites) to be a special race, and that other Semites (e. g. Arabs) are of “low value” and can be killed, bombed, wounded, dislodged with impunity.

Jewish racist like You, nonsenseneedstobefought, are even disgusting Holocaust-Deniers!
Let’s recall: With the Nazis “Holocaust” we don’t define all humans having been murdered by the Nazis – but only those who have been murdered because of racialist delusion. And it makes absolutely sense to have a special category for these victims of this disgusting racialist delusion.

But You, nonsenseneedstobefought, and Your alike quote the Holocaust with “6 Million murdered Jews“!
This although also a ½ Million Gypsies (we nowadays often call “Sinti and Roma”) were murdered in the Holocaust, too. So every honest person would quote the Holocaust non other than “6 ½ Million racialist murdered humans/people”.

But for You and Your friends, nonsenseneedstobefought, Gipsies are obviously somehow of ‘low value’! For You they don’t count – their victims mustn’t even be mentioned – and history must tilt its memory insofar.

But the formula “6 Million murdered Jews”, spread by Your friends and the Anti-Semitic MSM, is not only racialist, because it simply drops the murdered Gypsies out of memory. It is also racialist because the Term “Jews” in the formula “6 Million murdered Jews” is exactly the term a non-Holocaust-denying Nazi would use – and You and Your friends and the anti-Semitic MSM use to this day.
For everyone who doesn’t think racialist a Jew is person following the Hebrew religion. But the Nazis didn’t have a religious war (like the “30-years war in the 17th century). They didn’t care about religion. Karl Marx was a Materialist/ Atheist – not a Jew. And Heinrich Heine was a Catholic – not a Jew. But if the Nazis would have murdered Marx and Heine all the same (which they would have), because of their racialist terminology of “JEW” – a terminology that You, nonsenseneedstobefought, and the anti-Semitic MSM share!

By the way: The Nazis didn’t only murder “Full-Jews” (Nazi-term when both parents were considered “Jews”), but also “Half-Jews” (Nazi-term when only one parent was considered “Jew”) and sometimes even “Quarter-Jews” (Nazi-term when one of the four grandparents was considered “Jew”).
But you, your Zionist friends and the Anti-Semitic MSM still speak of “6 Million Jews” – and thus transport the Nazis’ and the Zion-Nazi’s disgusting racialist ideology further on!

nonsenseneedstobefought

I stopped reading your pathetic rant when I realized that the whole point of my post whooshed right over your head. Maybe try to stay on point next time, hmmm?

harry stotle
harry stotle

Thanks Kit – superb distillation of the most important themes arising from the media’s antisemitism trope.

In various arenas psyops or brute force is being used to ensure power and wealth is concentrated in the same few hands while the public squabble amongst themselves because of the dissembling – no matter how risible some of the claims may be.

Its a tried and trusted formula that seems to work everytime but I still dream of the day the public will wake up from their slumbers and realise the greed of the few comes a high cost for the rest of us.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/businesslatestnews/9668396/Margaret-Hodges-family-company-pays-just-0.01pc-tax-on-2.1bn-of-business-generated-in-the-UK.html?fbclid=IwAR3ATqnjxFLraSxgj5qpRRP58W6gHzDbkeANIUZ1IM_WD6Whul7BtjDtv8E

jag37777

ALL central banks are state agencies.

You’re spreading elite disinformation.

mark
mark

Untrue. The US Federal Reserve is NOT a government agency. It is a private banking cartel. It has been since 1913. Check this out for yourself. Control and issuance of the currency is in entirely private hands, to serve the interests of its owners. Most of the central banks of the world are private Rothschild banks. Amongst the few exceptions are the countries in the Neocon cross hairs. Russia, China, Iran, Syria. By some strange coincidence.

jag37777

No that’s just nonsense. Central banks are government agencies. The US government is the monopoly issuer of $US.
You’re just regurgitating elite serving myths that make no logical sense.

mark
mark

I’m afraid that’s simply untrue. If you’re genuinely interested in the subject rather than just spreading disinformation, you can check this easily for yourself. The Federal Reserve is a private banking cartel. It is not a government agency. The issuance of the currency is in private hands. Always has been.

nonsenseneedstobefought

“I’m afraid that’s simply untrue. If you’re genuinely interested in the subject rather than just spreading disinformation, you can check this easily for yourself”

Sure, there are many white supremacist websites that talk about the Fed being a “private cartel” (and the more “informative” ones, by your lights, also “inform” people that Jewish power is at the helm), but unfortunately for you, the real world doesn’t work that way. The Fed has no obligation to be a private cartel just because YOU need it to be, “marklosevic”.

jag37777

nonsenseneedstobefought you’re just a mirror of the antisemtic racists i.e. you’re a racist too.
Now stop jumping in on my conversations, please.

nonsenseneedstobefought

“you’re a racist too.” Prove it, moron. Show me an instance of me supporting racist ideologies or talking points. Now stop making slanderous accusations, please.

JohnG
JohnG

Then you can show me on a spread sheet how that works.

Or why this ‘cartel’ would bother.

Until then, I suggest you stop pretending to know about the monetary system.

jag37777

Nonsense. Central banks are government agencies.
The Federal government is the monopoly issuer of US$ and Congress has the spending and taxation power.
You are regurgitating an elite serving myth that makes no logical sense in the real world of state currencies.

nonsenseneedstobefought

“Untrue. The US Federal Reserve is NOT a government agency. It is a private banking cartel.”

Sure, according to the likes of Alex Jones and other white nativist fascists.

“It has been since 1913.”

It hasn’t, though.

“Check this out for yourself. Control and issuance of the currency is in entirely private hands, to serve the interests of its owners.”

That’s not how the Fed works. The supreme irony is that you think it is somehow part of a “Jewish Bolshevik” conspiracy, when in fact the Fed is a federal agency and its actions are undertaken to preserve the capitalist system, which you think you’re defending against communist usurpers. “If only we can get a good white Christian in there, then everything will be fine!” is the sentiment you’re reaching for. You scapegoat Jews because 1) it’s convenient to do so, as it draws upon a ready-made well of ancient religious prejudice which you know will gain traction among many, and 2) you don’t understand the mechanics of your beloved, precious capitalist system, and so need to blame its structural and systemic deficiencies on “Jews”.

“Most of the central banks of the world are private Rothschild banks.”

According to neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and white nativistic fanatics, sure. It has to be asked: why are you parroting Nazi talking points and regurgitating Hitler’s bleatings about “International Jewry”?

“Amongst the few exceptions are the countries in the Neocon cross hairs. Russia, China, Iran, Syria. By some strange coincidence.”

But, but..I thought the Jews BANKROLLED the Bolsheviks (who were in the cross-hairs of every imperialist country at the time)!

mark
mark

You can go off at a tangent as much as you like, ranting about how hard done by us poor Jews are and all the goyim have got it in for us. I’m not following you down whatever rabbit holes you want to go down.

The issue here is the status of the Federal Reserve. It is not a government agency. It is a private banking cartel. No smokescreens you try to throw up can obscure that simple fact.

jag37777

The Fed is a government agency. US$ are government liabilities and private sector assets.
You don’t understand state currency to claim otherwise.

nonsenseneedstobefought

“It is not a government agency. It is a private banking cartel. ”

Except…it isn’t.

“No smokescreens you try to throw up can obscure that simple fact.”

Then try facts for a change. You white nativist market fundamentalists are really tiresome but at some point you’ll have to put down your toys and stop believing in magical Jewish wizards who are out to eat you.

milosevic
milosevic

magical Jewish wizards

nonsenseneedstobefought

You literally believe in magical Jewish wizards who cast spells on everyone to manipulate them. Not watching your pathetic video.

nonsenseneedstobefought

Could we please get some moderation going on on this site, please? The animal “milsoevic” is refusing to address the points put to him and indulging in diversion and tangents. I’m not saying to ban him; I’m saying to suspend his access until he can demonstrate good-faith adherence to the principle of staying on-point.

Seamus Padraig
Seamus Padraig

It would be closer to the truth to define most government in the West today as agencies of ‘their own’ central banks!

nonsenseneedstobefought

“It would be closer to the truth to define most government in the West today as agencies of ‘their own’ central banks”

Controlled by “the Jews”, right? That’s what you want to say.

milosevic
milosevic

nonsenseneedstobefought

Oh goodness, you don’t actually think I’m going to watch that, do you?

jag37777

Central banks have little real power.
They run the payments system and maintain the government’s target interest rates.
They could be just an office in Treasury.

Antonym
Antonym

I do agree with the main trust here: one minority is more responsible than others for a lot of mess: the greedy uber rich. Amongst them the Jews are a minority so not no mention worthy.

mark
mark

You must be an “anti semite”, calling the uber rich greedy like that. I hope for your sake Berger and the Board of Deputies don’t find out. Such “anti Semitism” is appalling.

John
John

A minority? Haha you keep telling the Goyum that mate eventually they’ll believe you

nonsenseneedstobefought

“Haha you keep telling the Goyum that mate eventually they’ll believe you”

I love how you adopt the Nazi trope that Jews are all working together in concert and are all receiving the same marching orders from Judaic religious texts (never mind if the Jew in question isn’t even religious; you don’t bother to check such things, because for you, it’s enough that he’s Jewish, and so, by definition, he’s already acting in a way prescribed by said religious texts). Note that yours is a trope, not an analysis. You simply ASSUME that there’s some coordinated Jewish program for controlling non-Jews and that state policy through the Fed is conducted for that reason. But until you can show that this is the case – that is, until you can show that Jews in positions of power at the Fed and on Wall Street are doing what they do FOR THE SAKE OF a common Jewish program, and that these people are not simply incidentally Jewish – then you’re holding nothing but an empty bag drawing hot air from centuries of feudal-religious prejudice.

ragheadthefiendlyterrorist

It’s the same argument western racists infesting such cesspits as Russia Insider and unz.com now parrot: “anti-racism means anti-white.” If the argument is that attacking capitalism is attacking Jews, then obviously it’s an admission that Jews control, in fact are synonymous with, capitalism. If that isn’t true, and it’s not, then that means that anti capitalism cannot possibly mean “anti semitism”. Just like “anti racist means anti white” equals “racist = white”, which is so ridiculous that only the mind of a racist could have come up with it.

mark
mark

You must be “anti semitic.” That is implicit criticism of capitalism. Ergo, you are “anti semitic.” You’ll have to go and find a “cesspit” to “infest.” I’m going to report you to Berger and Shai Masot and the Board of Deputies.

Antonym
Antonym

Reading Off-Guardian one gets the impression that a good part of those 2.3% hardcore antisemitists gather here.

Zillions of topics around Zionism too, the rest of the world barely exists here. Yemen, Kashmir, Somalia, Ukraine, North Korea, Nigeria, Libya, Brazil, Canada, France, Germany, Denmark, Sweden etc. etc.are all not discussion worthy.

milosevic
milosevic

wake me up when the Prime Ministers of Yemen, Kashmir, Somalia, Ukraine, North Korea, Nigeria, Libya, Brazil, Canada, France, Germany, Denmark, or Sweden, can replicate this Stalinist extravaganza:

John
John

Nowt wrong with Stalin mostbof what you’ve been told about Stalin is made up and laughable

milosevic
milosevic

mark
mark

Kim Jong Un was very envious of the number of standing ovations.

Mucho
Mucho

One of the standing ovations clocked in at a staggering four minutes long haha. Can’t quite remember what he said. Something like “we have dropped so many bombs on innocent men, women and children……and made a fucking fortune in the process. That’s democracy”. I think that was it

mark
mark

I thought it was just because he broke wind and scratched his arse. Enough for a 10 minute standing ovation from all the 30 shekel goy trained seals. Some of the goy whores who weren’t thought to be sufficiently obsequious and enthusiastic were hauled over the coals and severely reprimanded afterwards by the Zionist media. You can never overdo the grovelling to our Zionist Masters.

John
John

Oy vey look the other way is all you have to say

nonsenseneedstobefought

“Oh vey” is the preserve of imbeciles with the mental maturity of 12 year olds. You seem to be such an imbecile.

milosevic
nonsenseneedstobefought

It’s irrelevant what it means. The morally relevant point is that it’s consistently used by gutter Nazis such as yourself to virtue signal to other gutter Nazis that you hate Jews.

milosevic
milosevic

I hate zionists, but I keep hearing that’s what all non-self-hating Jews are.

I don’t hate the self-hating Jews; they already have enough problems, with the self-hating, etc.

Does that make me a bad person?

nonsenseneedstobefought

“I hate zionists, but I keep hearing that’s what all non-self-hating Jews are.”

Yes, from Zionists who incorrectly presume to speak for all Jewish people. What’s your point? Oh, that’s right: Zionist claims provide for a convenient excuse to ignore nuance and actual facts when it comes to Jews, so that you can continue spouting your “hate facts” like a pathetic child.

“I don’t hate the self-hating Jews; they already have enough problems, with the self-hating, etc.”

You do hate them, as you keep confirming with your constantly dipping into age-old anti-Jewish sentiment, tropes and Nazis memes to act as filler for your “arguments”. That’s why you lump all Jews together under a common banner, and take the words of some of them to be indicative of the thoughts of ALL of them. Hitler would have literally saluted you – and that you don’t see that as a problem is apparently something you think I should overlook. Sorry, Nazi: not going to happen.

“Does that make me a bad person?”

Asks the disgusting troll with the mental maturity of a 12 year old.

George Cornell
George Cornell

It is what happens when groups like the Zionists systematically interfere with the democratic process in a sovereign nation, as in the ritual scurrilous attacks on Corbyn. I see absolutely no indication of AS, just the scheming machinations of his political foes and the consequences of a belief system that puts Israel first, regardless of domicile or birthplace, infiltrating, indeed poisoning the opposition political party. People don’t like it.

Seamus Padraig
Seamus Padraig

Ken Livingstone claiming that it was policy, in the early years of Nazi Germany, to support Zionism was not antisemitic. He was referencing a very specific historical fact – some Zionists did strike a deal with Hitler to relocate German Jews to Palestine. It was called the Haavara Agreement and it happened. It is a fact.

It’s what Steve Sailer would call a hate fact.

By the way, I noticed the pyramid with the all-seeing eye in that Mear One mural, and let me say on behalf of all Free Masons: that is offensive! 😀

mark
mark

Facts are anti semitic!!! Everything is anti semitic!!! Everyone is anti semitic!!!i

nonsenseneedstobefought

“Facts are anti semitic!!! Everything is anti semitic!!! Everyone is anti semitic!!!i”

You are, definitely.

milosevic
milosevic

all the best people are “anti-semitic”, nowadays.

“anti-zionism is the same thing as anti-semitism”, remember?

do they pay you for your hasbara services by the word, or by the hour?

either way, I doubt if they’re getting their money’s worth.

nonsenseneedstobefought

“all the best people are “anti-semitic”, nowadays”

True, so long as the quotation marks are kept around anti-Semitic. I would have to be counted among them given my support for Palestinian freedom and the dissolution of the Israeli state. As for ACTUAL anti-Jewish trash – friends of Palestine have no respect for you. They see what you’re trying to do when you clamor to turn the Palestinian freedom struggle into a circus in the service of Nazi and gutter feudal-religious ideology. The cause of Palestinian freedom is simply too important to be left in the hands of gutter religious and racial chauvinists who reduce everything to “Jews rooool the werrrrlldd!!” You’re a parasite on the Palestinian struggle, not a helper of it.

“do they pay you for your hasbara services by the word, or by the hour?”

Oh, dear. is this what you’ve been reduced to? 🙂 You just gave up incredibly easily, didn’t you? No arguments left; just taunts of “hasbara” and “oh vey” to sustain you now. Is it tough?

milosevic
milosevic

The cause of Palestinian freedom is simply too important to be left in the hands of gutter religious and racial chauvinists who reduce everything to “Jews rooool the werrrrlldd!!” You’re a parasite on the Palestinian struggle, not a helper of it.

In the early 2000s I realised that if Israel defines itself as the Jewish State, we must first ask who are the Jews, what is Zionism, what is Jewishness and how these notions relate to each other and affect Israeli politics, Jewish political lobbying, Jewish pressure groups and so on.

No one in Israel has ever criticized my argument. Israelis are naturally intimately familiar with the above notions. Israelis know that Jewishness and Jewish culture are at the core of Israeli politics. But the Jewish so-called ‘anti’ Zionists were rather upset by my observation. It interfered with their delusional and largely deceptive dichotomies between Jews and Zionists, Zionism and Judaism, Israel and the Diaspora etc. Rather than saying that Jews and Zionism are opposites (Jewish anti Zionists) or that they are identical (messianic Zionism), I have been arguing that we are dealing with a complex continuum that can only be realised within the context of Jewishness and Jewish ID politics. Israel is what it is because Jewishness is driven by choseness – a Judeo-centric exceptionalist doctrine.

Since 2005 Tony Greenstein has been my arch anti Zionist nemesis. He worked day and night trying to stop my concerts, my talks. He contacted venues and festivals and the many humanists who praised and endorsed my work. I offered Tony many times to share a platform with me so we could discuss that which we disagree upon. It never happened. Even when Tony was willing to do it, his ‘comrades,’ according to him, begged him not to do so.

Things clearly changed recently for Tony. He was expelled from the Labour Party. He was a victim of the Zionist witch-hunt. He was accused of anti semitsm and had a chance to taste his own poison. Tony didn’t have any excuse. He had to face the man he vowed to eradicate yet failed.

In this radio program moderated by the great Tony Gosling, Tony Greenstein and myself debate what I believe to be the most crucial question to do with Israel and Zionism. Is it Zionism or actually Jewish ideology that drives the barbarism of the state that calls itself “the Jewish State”?

https://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/2018/7/30/is-it-zionism-or-jewishness-you-decide

nonsenseneedstobefought

I don’t read things that you copy and paste. Bogging myself down in that would give tacit approval for your tactic of diversion.

milosevic
milosevic

I don’t read things

yes, that’s why you’re such an ignoramus.

nonsenseneedstobefought

I don’t read your copy-pastes from meat-head politicians. That’s why I’m not stupid like you.

milosevic
milosevic

“anti-semitism” consists mainly of “hate facts” — things which are essentially true, but which all GoodThinkers instinctively know that they’re supposed to disbelieve, at least publically.

anti-semitic hate facts are everywhere you look. only through constant practice of Reality Control, can you avoid inadvertently slipping into anti-semitism.

I noticed the pyramid with the all-seeing eye in that Mear One mural, and let me say on behalf of all Free Masons: that is offensive!

anti-semitic hate facts are everywhere you look. That’s not a Masonic All-Seeing-Eye Pyramid — it’s a Rothschild/Zionist All-Seeing-Eye Pyramid!

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/171292
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nonsenseneedstobefought

““anti-semitism” consists mainly of “hate facts””

Thanks for admitting that you think that anti-Jewish sentiment is something you wholeheartedly partake in and agree with (you think it represents “truth”) and that you share continuity with the Nazis on this. Most people (decent people, at least) know that anti-Jewish sentiment is mostly superstitiously-inspired feudal-religious filth in the service of demagogues. I guess that magic and spells form a strong part of your conceptual universe as well.

“anti-semitic hate facts are everywhere you look. That’s not a Masonic All-Seeing-Eye Pyramid — it’s a Rothschild/Zionist All-Seeing-Eye Pyramid!”

Good Nazi tropes, updated for the current age. You sound proud to have your intellectual pedigree planted so firmly in the writings of Adolf Hitler (“But, but…I’m not an ACTUAL Nazi! I just AGREE with everything he said! Stop being such a goy!”).

milosevic
milosevic

Most people know that anti-Jewish sentiment is mostly superstitiously-inspired feudal-religious filth in the service of demagogues. I guess that magic and spells form a strong part of your conceptual universe as well.

haha, “magic and spells”. good one.

Ron Unz — Oddities of the Jewish Religion

— now you can start shrieking about “blood libels”, instead of “nazis”.

I eagerly await your explanation of the Rothschild All-Seeing-Eye Pyramid on the roof of the Supreme Court of Israel. But that’s just another anti-semitic hate fact, which well-trained sabbat goyim like yourself are psychologically incapable of seeing.

nonsenseneedstobefought

“haha, “magic and spells”. good one.”

It’s how you think: you literally believe that the world runs at the behest of kooky conspiracies presided over by Jewish wizards who have the power to magically manipulate vast multitudes. Only imbeciles, Tsar enthusiasts, Nazis, and bit-coin fundamentalists think this way.

“Ron Unz — Oddities of the Jewish Religion”

All religions are replete with “oddities”. Your deflection is as pathetic as it is ignorant.

“— now you can start shrieking about “blood libels”, instead of “nazis”.”

No, that’s what you’re going to do. You’re also going to tell me about how Jews and Masons drink Christian blood, and you’re going to link me to a web-page with a url containing “stormfront” in it to “prove” it.

“I eagerly await your explanation of the Rothschild All-Seeing-Eye Pyramid on the roof of the Supreme Court of Israel”

What all-seeing eye pyramid? It’s a pyramid with some holes. The “eye” is something that your gutter Nazi mind imputed into it. In other words, you’re using the logical fallacy of circle reasoning: you’re assuming your own conclusions. But I do eagerly await your explanation of why conspirators would go around advertising their conspiracies to the world and thereby allow people to “connect the dots”, against the interests of said conspirators. You have some very kooky notions of how conspiracies actually work. You’re a very “special” person, with a truly “amazing” way of thinking.

“But that’s just another anti-semitic hate fact” It would be, if it was actually a fact.

“which well-trained sabbat goyim like yourself are psychologically incapable of seeing.” Sssshhhhh, your pathetic Nazism and kooky way of thinking are showing. It’s okay, stupid child. Sssshhhhhh. Here, have a cookie.

milosevic
milosevic

You’re also going to tell me about how Jews and Masons drink Christian blood, and you’re going to link me to a web-page with a url containing “stormfront” in it to “prove” it.

oh, but that’s where you’re wrong:

http://www.unz.com/ishamir/the-bloody-passovers-of-dr-toaff/

see? no Stormfront there. note that it’s an ex-jew reviewing a heavily suppressed book by a Jewish-Israeli academic.

anti-semitic hate facts are everywhere. only a trained mind can avoid seeing them.

What all-seeing eye pyramid? It’s a pyramid with some holes.

anti-semitic hate facts are everywhere. only a trained mind can avoid seeing them.

like yours, for example.

Antonym
Antonym

No trained mind needed to see that the Jews are a tiny (and much persecuted) minority with their 15 million ppl.
Blindness plus deafness needed to oversee 2 billion Muslims with dozens of Nations expanding territory under their Holy Book’s ideology. “Christians” didn’t do that since at least a century. The New Testament didn’t help too.

nonsenseneedstobefought

“anti-semitic hate facts are everywhere. only a trained mind can avoid seeing them.”

Says the lazy animal who pointedly avoided proving what he’s claiming. I await your proof that the pyramid without eyes on it adorning the Israeli Supreme Court is a Rothschild’s pyramid (is there such a thing, by the way?) with eyes on it. You also refused to explain why conspirators would go around actively advertising their conspiracies, thus undermining their own interests. Apparently, this is how you think conspiracies work. I feel bad that you learned logic from a toddler.

milosevic
milosevic

a Rothschild’s pyramid (is there such a thing, by the way?) with eyes on it

sure there is, there’s one on the roof of the Israeli Supreme Court.

references are just above.

nonsenseneedstobefought

“sure there is, there’s one on the roof of the Israeli Supreme Court.”

I love how you think that your circular reason counts as “proof” 🙂 That’s ADORABLE.

vexarb
vexarb

Seamus, so why didn’t FreeMason spokespersons complain about Zio Capitalists sticking Pyramid and All-Seeing Eye on Rothschild’s fiat U$ $bills?

milosevic
milosevic

the Eye of Rothschild sees everything:
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annuit coeptis = “providence favors our undertakings”

novus ordo seclorum = “new order of the ages”

(what the actual f***. why is the same f***ing occult symbol on the US dollar bill AND the Israeli Supreme Court building, designed by the Rothschilds? I challenge anyone to provide a non-anti-semitic explanation of this bizarre hate fact.)

nonsenseneedstobefought

“(what the actual f***. why is the same f***ing occult symbol on the US dollar bill AND the Israeli Supreme Court building, designed by the Rothschilds? I challenge anyone to provide a non-anti-semitic explanation of this bizarre hate fact.)”

Right, so conspirators go around ADVERTISING their conspiracies to the world. Yeah, because that’s how the real world works…

You Nazis are so “special” 🙂 Your thinking is truly amazing.

milosevic
milosevic

In other words, you are unable to provide a non-anti-semitic explanation of this bizarre hate fact.

Thanks for playing, please try again.

nonsenseneedstobefought

“In other words, you are unable to provide a non-anti-semitic explanation of this bizarre hate fact.”

Ah, I see. So I have to adopt your circular reasoning and see “eyes” when in fact there are only portholes, then. Gotcha.

You delinquent Nazi animals truly have an “amazing” way of thinking 🙂 Now: tell me more about how conspirators go around and deliberately provide evidence of their conspiracies, thereby acting against their own interests. I’m sure you’ll have lots of “amazing” things to say about that 🙂

(be honest. Are you just annoyed that your zoo keeper didn’t bring you your favorite nuts and berries?)

milosevic
milosevic
nonsenseneedstobefought

The animal “milosevic”: the type of guy who points to “bizarre facts” but needs to rely on circular reasoning to “prove” that they’re facts.

Seamus Padraig
Seamus Padraig

It was just my attempt at humor, vexarb. I’m not actually a Mason, and I don’t find it offensive at all. I was just poking fun at those critics who claimed to be scandalized by the big noses in the mural.

vexarb
vexarb

Padraig, blushing apologies, must buy fresh batteries for my irony detector.

nonsenseneedstobefought

“Free Masons”. Hmmm, another Nazi favorite. There seems to be a pattern emerging with you. Tell us what other points of agreement you have with the Nazis, Seamus. There seems to be something you want to say. Let’s see if you’re brave enough.

I guess you’re just the type of guy who thinks that the world actually operates in the way that Hitler announced he wanted to put an end to? Hmmm?

milosevic
milosevic

The nazis believed that the earth orbits around the sun, rather than the other way around.

Many people still believe that the world actually operates this way, just like Hitler did. They need to be hunted down and sent to re-education camps, before they can convince even more people to agree with the nazis.

nonsenseneedstobefought

LOL, what? Are you feeling alright, “milosevic”?

milosevic
milosevic

A Party member is required to have not only the right opinions, but the right instincts. Many of the beliefs and attitudes demanded of him are never plainly stated, and could not be stated without laying bare the contradictions inherent in Ingsoc. If he is a person naturally orthodox (in Newspeak a goodthinker), he will in all circumstances know, without taking thought, what is the true belief or the desirable emotion. But in any case an elaborate mental training, undergone in childhood and grouping itself round the Newspeak words crimestop, blackwhite, and doublethink, makes him unwilling and unable to think too deeply on any subject whatever.

A Party member is expected to have no private emotions and no respites from enthusiasm. He is supposed to live in a continuous frenzy of hatred of foreign enemies and internal traitors, triumph over victories, and self-abasement before the power and wisdom of the Party. The discontents produced by his bare, unsatisfying life are deliberately turned outwards and dissipated by such devices as the Two Minutes Hate, and the speculations which might possibly induce a sceptical or rebellious attitude are killed in advance by his early acquired inner discipline. The first and simplest stage in the discipline, which can be taught even to young children, is called, in Newspeak, crimestop. Crimestop means the faculty of stopping short, as though by instinct, at the threshold of any dangerous thought. It includes the power of not grasping analogies, of failing to perceive logical errors, of misunderstanding the simplest arguments if they are inimical to Ingsoc, and of being bored or repelled by any train of thought which is capable of leading in a heretical direction. Crimestop, in short, means protective stupidity.

George Orwell — 1984

nonsenseneedstobefought

A quote by Orwell denouncing totalitarian control by a political party isn’t ANY sort of argument if you’re a Nazi, unless you’re trying to be trollish and ironic. Fascist goons like you, when given the chance, enjoy sadistic torture and humiliation of your victims and sign up to such organizations as the SA and SS for that very opportunity. How disgustingly, therefore, that you choose to demonstrate this online during the presidency of a white supremacist buffoon.

crank
crank

It will all end with a group hug between Corbyn the ‘peacemaker’, Tony Blair, Guy Verhofstadt and Jared Kushner.
Maybe at Eurovision, who knows ?
They’ll come at me with the implant device, offering universal basic income, protection from the microdrone swarms and some good ol’ American Genetically engineered gruel.
But I will be half gone already by then.
They’ll never get this crank.

Mikalina
Mikalina

Oh, Crank…. We are destined to go out with a whimper not a bang. The enemy is amorphous and insidious. They play the long game through many generations – they will just wait until we die off. They are interested in the younger generation who are being groomed as we speak…

Having nothing tangible to fight, we will just be left to wither on the vine until we drop off.

milosevic
milosevic

good ol’ American Genetically engineered gruel

Fair dinkum
Fair dinkum

Greed.
It perverts all who are infected by it.
The irony is: What are they gonna buy and who are they gonna wield authority over on a desecrated, windswept, barren planet?

vexarb
vexarb

Fairdinkum point that, everyone lives off the rich except the rich who live off the poor. Even if all that remains on a “windswept barren planet” is a colony of chimps, poor chump chimps will allow a top chimp to take their best banana.

wardropper
wardropper

Indeed that is a truly astonishing irony. The über-greedy imagine that their wealth buys them a culturally elevated position in society, yet they use their wealth to speak in superficially-imitated accents at luxury gatherings in palaces, while they get as drunk as any football lout, and talk about the weather, sports and the price of petrol.
Who would even want such a mind?
Perhaps the fact that people with a truly cultivated mind would be unable to tolerate such an environment is the reason they don’t have any money.
If so, then I don’t have a problem with it at all.