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‘Lone wolf’ myth covers up possible Mossad role in New Zealand terrorist attack

Max Parry

Al Noor mosque, Christchurch, New Zealand.

Ever since the news broke on March 15 of two consecutive mass shootings at the Al Noor Mosque and Linwood Islamic Centre in Christchurch, New Zealand, corporate media has been determined to establish that suspect Brenton Tarrant acted alone in the terrorist attacks that took the lives of 50 innocent Muslim worshippers and wounded 50 others.

While mainstream media has been predictably eager to parade the tragedy as another chapter in the wave of rising Islamophobia and right-wing extremism globally, they have put equal effort into conscientiously avoiding any evidence that contradicts the ‘lone wolf’ theory they decided on in the initial hours following the first mass shooting in New Zealand since 1997.

Whenever terrorism is committed by Arabs or Muslims, the fourth estate is usually anxious to speculate whether or not the suspect is connected to a larger radical syndicate. However, the same scrutiny is seldom applied to white nationalists like Tarrant.

In fact, they are even hesitant to label it ‘terrorism’ at all, with everyone from The Daily Telegraph to the fanatical Zionist Rupert Murdoch’s Fox News settling for the choice words ‘mass shooting.’ While Tarrant denies being part of any group in his public declaration, he does hint that he is part of a broader extremist network:

I am not a direct member of any organization or group, though I have donated to many nationalist groups and have interacted with many more. No group ordered my attack, I make the decision myself. Though I did contact the reborn Knights Templar for a blessing in support of the attack, which was given.”

As many have noted, the “Knights Templar” is the name of an anti-Muslim militant group that another infamous right-wing terrorist, Anders Behring Breivik, claimed to belong to. During the 2011 Norway attacks, Breivik targeted a government building in the city of Oslo and a youth camp of the ruling Labour party on the island of Utøya in a sequential car bombing and mass shooting that killed a total of 77 people.

However, the media and prosecutors in Breivik’s trial were insistent that the group was fictional and the only possibility was that he was an ‘army of one’ while suffering from a psychiatric disorder, another trait that is apparently only applicable to white-skinned terrorists. There was no serious inquiry into whether he was part of a larger nexus, even though he had direct contact with groups like the English Defense League (EDL), the British far right Islamophobic group led by neo-fascist agitator Tommy Robinson.

Breivik was portrayed as a fundamentalist Christian but was curiously a member of the Norwegian Order of Freemasons, an organization with a history of ties to the espionage world and susceptible to infiltration because of its inherent secrecy. The original Knights Templar, or “Templars,” were a Christian army founded in the 10th century who initially shielded pilgrims voyaging to the Holy Land and later fought against Muslims during the Crusades while the name is drawn from the Temple Mount in Jerusalem.

What has been downplayed by the yellow press is the specific brand of Islamophobic extremism that was the basis of Tarrant’s attacks. His ideology is revealed in a 73-page manifesto, entitled “The Great Replacement” in reference to the ‘white genocide’ theory held by white nationalist identitarians, which he dispatched less than ten minutes prior to the ambush in emails to several media outlets and Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern’s office.

While the corporate press is correct that Tarrant and Breivik clearly follow the practices of the anti-Islam xenophobic movement on the rise in Europe, North America and now Oceania, the key element they have deliberately avoided mentioning is a strong collective affinity for the state of Israel.

The coverage of Christchurch has repeated the same pattern displayed following the 2011 Norway attacks where the distinguishing characteristic of the extremism both culprits adhere to is of a staunchly pro-Zionist variety which has been decidedly overlooked. In the eight years between the two attacks, the pro-Israel European right has only augmented in size.

In his manifesto, Brenton Tarrant even boasted the unverified claim to have had “brief contact with Knight Justiciar Breivik” while taking “true inspiration” from him. His Norwegian idol had his own 1,500 page manifesto where Israel was approvingly name-dropped nearly 400 times while he declared:

So let us fight together with Israel, with our Zionist brothers against all anti-Zionists, against all cultural Marxists/multiculturalists.”

The combination of far right nationalism and support for Israel may seem like an unlikely combination, but it is an ideology shared by most of the Islamophobic and anti-immigrant political parties throughout Europe that have performed impressively well in European Parliament elections. These include Hungary’s Fidesz, the Italian League and Five Star Movement, the Flemish Flaams Belang, Poland’s Law and Justice, Belgian People’s Party, the Progress Party of Norway (of which Breivik was a member), True Finns Party, France’s National Rally, Alternative for Deutschland, and many others.

It is likely that Tarrant, like Breivik, is not anti-semitic and actually views Jews as ‘allies’ in a civilizational crusade against Islam. Just as Israel has helped orchestrate the US wars in the Middle East against its enemies that has contributed to the mass influx of refugees seeking asylum in the West, it has fostered the Islamophobic backlash to it by supporting the growing far right movement that is ascendant.

Following the tragedy in Christchurch, it was revealed that 28-year old Tarrant had traveled extensively throughout Europe, the Middle East and Asia, including to Afghanistan, Pakistan and even North Korea. The year prior, he also visited Israel for nine days, just as his fellow Christian Zionist Breivik had done several times prior to 2011. Tarrant’s journey in Europe included a stop in Ukraine, a hotbed of neo-Nazi activity and as it happens during the massacre he donned the SS wolf’s hook symbol used by the right wing paramilitary group Azov Battalion to which Israel has provided weapons support in its fight against pro-Russian separatists.

The blend of such considerable travel activity while stockpiling a cache of semi-automatic firearms with a digital footprint espousing his extremist views online makes the likelihood that Tarrant managed to remain under the radar of the New Zealand Security Intelligence Service (SIS) difficult to believe. It is especially doubtful they would be unable to detect him considering he was reportedly interviewed by New Zealand police prior to obtaining his firearms license in 2017.

Judging by the Facebook live-streamed video of the massacre shot by the suspect himself wearing a GoPro head-mounted camera that resembled a first-person shooter video game shows he was no amateur and possibly professionally trained as a militant. Given his extensive travel and the apparent expertise used to carry out the attacks, there are many legitimate questions about how his ventures were sponsored and whether he had accomplices.

Police found undetonated car bombs in addition to his arsenal and believe he was planning on carrying out a third attack with them. What was he doing in his travels? Was he really able to finance everything alone using crypto-currency investments as purported by the media? He could very well have been a patsy in a larger plot or received support from abroad. For instance, from a certain national intelligence service whose notorious motto is “for by cunning stratagems, you wage war.”

Mossad covert operations have been exposed several times over the years violating New Zealand’s sovereignty and international law which caused a series of diplomatic rows between the two countries. Most recently was in 2011 following a 6.2 magnitude earthquake in Christchurch which caused significant damage to the city and killed 185 people, coincidentally the very same week as the attacks in Norway by Anders Breivik.

Incredibly, a stone structure of a building collapsed onto a van during the earthquake which killed a man inside who turned out to be an Israeli national. His death accidentally unearthed a ring of Mossad agents after the man was discovered with multiple fake passports and USB flash drives which contained confidential data believed to have been illegally downloaded from the New Zealand police’s national computer system.

The other agents in the Israeli sleeper cell were able to flee the country less than a day after his body was discovered, probably to avoid the fallout that occurred after an earlier incident in the country just a few years prior. In 2004, two Israeli men who turned out to be Mossad agents were arrested trying to obtain fraudulent passports and travel documentation that included stealing the identity of a quadriplegic. The two men were subsequently jailed for six months for engaging in criminal enterprise.


Pictured: Uriel Zosha Kelman, an Israeli spy, arrives in court in disguise in 2004 (left) / Zev Barkan, another spy (right).

Mossad seemed to have developed a habit of revealing themselves in light of the infamous arrest of five of its agents in Secaucus, New Jersey on the morning of September 11th, 2001 by the FBI who were tipped off that a group of men were observed suspiciously dancing and celebrating while watching the WTC towers ablaze and collapsing across the Hudson River.

The “dancing Israelis” were found with $5,000 in cash which raised suspicions while their vehicle was traced to a shady moving company called Urban Moving Systems that was suspected to be a front for an intelligence operation after their headquarters was abandoned and its owner, Dominick Suter, immediately fled to Israel following their apprehension. During their two month detention, the CIA intervened and halted the probe while the agents were subsequently deported in a deal with the Israeli government for overstaying their visas but not before it was confirmed that at least two of the men were intelligence officers and no ordinary moving company employees.

The world was briefly reminded of this mysterious case when Donald Trump as a presidential candidate in 2016 made the wild exaggeration that on 9/11 he had personally observed “thousands of Muslims” celebrating the destruction of the Twin Towers across the river in New Jersey. It is likely that Trump mixed up two different reports from 9/11, one of Reuters footage widely circulated by major networks of a small group of Arabs in East Jerusalem celebrating the attacks and the reports about the Israelis arrested in New Jersey who were initially believed to have been of “Middle Eastern appearance” and descent.

One wonders if Trump would accurately recall his other observations that morning now that he is in the service of his Saudi and Israeli masters. Needless to say, this widely suppressed story which should have been front page news led many to rightly suspect there was prior knowledge and even direct involvement among Israeli intelligence in the 9/11 attacks, along with a trove of other evidence.

A Mossad agent hides his face in court during the 2004 Israel-New Zealand passport scandal

The New Jersey cell were also in possession of foreign passports. Mossad has typically used fake passports, including that of Australians and Kiwis, regularly for its clandestine operations and carrying out assassinations like the 2010 targeted killing of Hamas official Mahmoud al-Mabhouh in Dubai which one of the spies apprehended in New Zealand, Zev Barkan, was involved in. After the arrest of the two spooks in New Zealand in 2004, the government imposed diplomatic sanctions against Israel and temporarily severed high-level contacts between the two countries in what became a significant diplomatic rift. WikiLeaks diplomatic cables revealed that the U.S. was not at all pleased.

Relations had returned to normal between the countries until December 2016 when along with Malaysia, Senegal, Venezuela and others, New Zealand co-sponsored the controversial United Nations Security Council Resolution 2334 which condemned Israeli settlements in occupied Palestinian territories during the last months of the Obama administration. The same motion briefly became mired in the Trump-Russia investigation when former National Security Advisor Michael Flynn pled guilty to lying to the FBI about lobbying activities related to the resolution during the transition between administrations on behalf of Israel.

The Trump White House has since proven to be the most fanatically Zionist presidency since the foundation of the Jewish state in 1948. Over the years, New Zealand has shown a willingness to stand up to Jerusalem and its brazen disregard for international law that other nations could learn from. Despite being a small nation, it has played an important role in pro-Palestinian activism and the prospect of Palestinian statehood just as it did in protesting South African Apartheid in the 1980s.

In 2018, when New Zealand-born popular musician Lorde canceled a concert in Tel Aviv in solidarity with the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) movement, she became the target of vicious Zionist smear campaign which saw right-wing Trumpist Rabbi Schmuley Boteach take out a full-page ad in The Washington Post denouncing her as a bigot while a $13,000 lawsuit was filed by the Mossad-linked Shurat HaDin lawfare NGO. Meanwhile, unlike Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison, Jacinda Ardern has been critical of the Trump administration’s move of the U.S. embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, stating it undermines the Israeli-Palestinian peace process.

New Zealand’s relatively even-handed foreign policy has likely rattled the Zionists and their far right Islamophobic counterparts in the West and it is possible that it is viewed as a threat to the interests of Israel and the U.S. The feasibly manufactured terrorist attack against New Zealand has greatly disrupted the small country, a state which in 2018 had its lowest homicide rate in 40 years and averages well below 100 murders per year, making this attack an extremely rare occurrence for the peaceful country.

In light of the attacks on the mosques in Christchurch, it could now end up acquiring the police state model of the U.S. and Israel as part of the global ‘War on Terror.’ The country immediately issued a ban on semiautomatic weapons following the tragedy in a disturbing rollback of civil liberties while engaging in an unprecedented censorship effort to criminalize sharing and possession of Tarrant’s manifesto and video. Prior to Breivik’s perpetration of the attacks in Norway, there had been significant political tensions between Oslo and Jerusalem in the months leading up to the violence due to Norway’s intent to recognize a Palestinian state and the circumstances in relations between New Zealand and Israel prior to Christchurch is eerily reminiscent.

Israel has a storied history of being a state sponsor of international terrorism as well as the use of ‘false flag’ operations to achieve its political objectives, most notably in the 1954 Lavon Affair, codenamed Operation Susannah, where the Aman branch of its military intelligence services recruited Egyptian nationals to commit bombings to be blamed on the Muslim Brotherhood in order to maintain desired British military presence in Egypt.

It continues such cloak-and-dagger tactics to this day with the use of terror proxies such as the Kurdistan Free Life Party (PJAK) and Mojahedin-e-Khalq (MEK) to undermine Iran, as well as the arming and funding of al-Qaeda affiliated Syrian jihadist groups against the Assad government. If it is willing to co-sponsor radical Islamists with its ally Saudi Arabia to attack their mutual regional enemies, now that the ruling Likud Party has made strange bedfellows with far right Islamophobes in the West it is within the realm of possibility it would continue to do the same especially when the victims are Arab or Muslim.

Regardless of whether or not there turns out to be any Mossad fingerprints discovered on the Christchurch shootings, if the world is serious about confronting the emerging far right internationally it must be willing to accurately diagnose the phenomenon. One of its most distinctive attributes is its Christian Zionism and a shared belief that the Bible gives Israel evidential right to Palestinian land and that Jews are inherently non-indigenous to Europe.

The ever-expanding colonization of the West Bank and Gaza has solidified Israel’s nationalist foundations, especially now that Arabic has been removed as a second official language and the passing of the 2018 Nationality Law defining Israel as an ethno-nationalist state with Arabs officially second-class citizens. If Israel did not directly participate in the 9/11 attacks by infiltrating the al-Qaeda cell in Hamburg, Germany and directing the airplane hijackings as many legitimately suspect, it has certainly facilitated the U.S. wars in the Middle East against its regional enemies and now it is nurturing the Islamophobic far right in the West hostile to the flood of displaced refugees fleeing them.

Israeli policy has principally benefited from all this but one can only expect the hasbaric retaliation of ‘anti-Semitism’ smears like those against UK Labour Party leader Jeremy Corbyn and U.S. Congresswoman Ilhan Omar of Minnesota for pointing this out. In the meantime, the Russiagate hoax has deflected attention away from Jerusalem toward Moscow in regards to foreign cultivation of the growing far right nationalist movement in the West. One hopes the recent bust of Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s report will put some of the distraction to rest and shift the speculation toward Israel where it belongs.

Finally, the political confusion of zealots like Tarrant needs to be addressed as entirely predictable instead of as unintended consequences of the War on Terror and the financial crisis. Recently, 2020 Democratic U.S. Presidential candidate Andrew Yang became the subject of establishment-led smears simply for acknowledging verifiable facts about declining birth-rates of white Americans where he was vilified as adjoining with the views of those like Tarrant. Yet these statistics designated by race that Yang recognized are expressions of the results of class conflict while genuine anger is being misdirected toward immigrants instead of capital and its never-ending changes in labor demands.

This is the cycle which must be broken if this holy war between the West and Islam stirred up by Zionists or what the orientialist Samuel Huntington called the ‘clash of civilizations’ is to end. If not, we cannot only expect the U.S. empire to continue its downward slide and its fear of a multipolar world to culminate in an internecine that will turn the whole world into a tragedy like Christchurch.

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TFS
TFS
Feb 8, 2024 12:47 PM

When speaking of 9/11 and the issue of the Dancing Israelis crops up, it might be worth considering these FBI reports made at the time in question.

https://archive.org/details/DancingIsraelisFBIReport/fbi%20report%20section%201/

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Aug 11, 2019 1:18 AM

“Was he really able to finance everything alone using crypto-currency investments as purported by the media?”

Purported by the media? More like reported, based on the statement in his manifesto. And yes, while it doesn’t peclude helpful donations from others, depending on how and when he did it, which he doesn’t disclose, he could easily be able to self-finance from cryptocurrency investments for as long as he chose. He lists his occupation after travelling as ‘part-time kebab removalist’, which would probably not pay enough to cover his living costs unless he had further financial resources of his own or monetary assistance from others. Presumably the New Zealand police, whatever their public line, are working on that uncertainty right now.

Antonym
Antonym
Mar 30, 2019 11:20 AM

When are we going to review the 50,000 dancing Islamists in Pakistan on 9/11?

different frank
different frank
Mar 30, 2019 11:05 PM
Reply to  Antonym

Antonym, you scripts are poor. Ask your team leader for a better one.

mark delmege
mark delmege
Mar 29, 2019 4:29 PM

conflating all that with NZ is just dumb shit.

Tigger
Tigger
Mar 30, 2019 9:12 AM
Reply to  mark delmege

Funnily enough, Mark. I made a similar list before even reading the article. viz.

#1. Several years back Mossad operatives were found to be travelling on fake New Zealand passports.
#2. The Christchurch earthquakes uncovered an active Mossad cell in that city.
#3. After the letter from two NZ women to Linda Lousadi (?) that led her to cancel a performance in Israel, that country ‘declared war’ on New Zealand.
#4. The terrorist spent some time in Israel before travelling to New Zealand.

I have also read somewhere that he has Jewish connections, but this may be speculation only.
HOWEVER – you may be sure that New Zealand will get to the bottom of this, even if they’re very quiet about it right now.

BillyBakke
BillyBakke
Mar 28, 2019 11:28 AM

This article brings to mind Umberto Echo’s book Foucault’s Pendulum (maybe its the whole Knights Templar shenanigans) with its smorgasbord of cherry picked links, speculation, supposition and a whole load of unjoined dots. All of which are needed to back up the clickbait headline. The author notes the terrorist Tarrant may or may not have been a pro-Zionist because Brevik was and so is every Euro far right organisation that said author can think of, including the laughable EDL and the clown that is Tommy Robinson (who left the EDL years ago). And the Fivestar Movement pro-Zionist really? And look here are some more unconnected facts about Mossad over the last 20 years and some stuff about 9/11, because, well why not! Also did you know that Israel is rather put-out by NZ over some UN resolutions and just NZ’s all round good guy-ishness and solid support for the Palestinian… Read more »

Norman Pilon
Norman Pilon
Mar 28, 2019 5:47 PM
Reply to  BillyBakke

You beat me to it, Billy: a ‘smorgasbord of cherry picked links, speculation, supposition and a whole load of unjoined dots.’ That’s exactly how it reads to me . . . And indeed, as the most likely and most plausible ‘explanation,’ as intimated by Parry himself, intentionally or not, maybe the outrage comes down to nothing more than ‘the political confusions of the zealot, Tarrant,’ that is to say, if the broader social, economic, and political context in which this tragedy occurred are completely ignored. It’s not as if what happened in Christchurch didn’t happen in a society that at bottom is divided along class lines — is it? Or that in New Zealand (or Australia, or in the East or in the West), that basic or essential characteristic of capitalist society cannot but manifest in a variety of toxic guises, refracted as it is in the cross-cutting cleavages of… Read more »

Barbara McKenzie
Barbara McKenzie
Mar 28, 2019 9:13 PM
Reply to  BillyBakke

Mossad is a deflection. There has been much careful analysis of footage and manifesto, without claiming a Mossad connection. Mosad makes it all about antisemitism and facilitates even more censorship.

flaxgirl
flaxgirl
Mar 29, 2019 10:35 PM
Reply to  BillyBakke

Well said.

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Aug 11, 2019 1:37 AM
Reply to  BillyBakke

“Excuse the rant, lots of the authors world view maybe be right but this article is just a load of lazily expelled hot air.”

I’m a very slow reader. Only got here after four+ months and haven’t yet scrolled further than this BTL, but if ‘flaxgirl’ still hasn’t been by, you ain’t seen nothin’ yet.

flaxgirl
flaxgirl
Mar 28, 2019 10:50 AM

The blend of such considerable travel activity while stockpiling a cache of semi-automatic firearms with a digital footprint espousing his extremist views online makes the likelihood that Tarrant managed to remain under the radar of the New Zealand Security Intelligence Service (SIS) difficult to believe. It is especially doubtful they would be unable to detect him considering he was reportedly interviewed by New Zealand police prior to obtaining his firearms license in 2017. Doubtful that NZSIS didn’t know about it? Hilarious. As it was clearly a staged event with the same hallmarks seen in the UK, the US, Canada, Oz, Europe, Russia, Turkey, India, Pakistan, Russia, Syria – you name it – every intelligence agency and its dog knew and/or were involved in it. https://153news.net/watch_video.php?v=G25YYK451XSM This article strikes me a little as distraction propaganda – Israel is so very, very useful as distraction (not that they’re not responsible for God… Read more »

Barbara McKenzie
Barbara McKenzie
Mar 28, 2019 9:09 PM
Reply to  flaxgirl

Thank you Flaxgirl! All this talk of Mossad will serve to divert attention from the essential issues, which are whether the event was a black op., and if so exposing it, whether anyone was murdered, and the extent to which the NZ government is involved. Judging by the world-wide clampdown – Mike Adams own video platform, Brighteon that he founded to get away from censorship was threatened! – Jacinda Ardern has some very powerful friends. Focusing on Mossad makes it all about antisemitism and facilitates censorship. I’m looking hard at anyone pushing the Mossad story, frankly.

flaxgirl
flaxgirl
Mar 28, 2019 11:06 PM

Yes, Barbara, whenever I see Israel pushed where you can see that whatever their involvement they’re not primary I’m very suspicious too, especially, with regard to 9/11 – I mean, I know they were obviously heavily involved but the main perps are rogue elements within the US government and bureaucracy (no doubt, many of whom are dual US/Israeli nationals) and it is they who need to be focused on. There is absolutely no doubt that it was a black op. As it’s obvious no one died (almost always no one dies in covert operations I don’t think, except assassinations and very similar operations – it’s only in clandestine operations that they die – that is, those operations done in secret without media coverage). As far as I can tell, staged events all have a very similar MO with a little variation. This video shows unquestionably that it was a staged… Read more »

flaxgirl
flaxgirl
Mar 28, 2019 11:24 PM
Reply to  flaxgirl

And just to add. While the lives were spared on the day of the catalytic event in the case of both Pearl Harbour and 9/11, so very many more lives were lost afterwards. That’s human logic for you.

Barbara McKenzie
Barbara McKenzie
Mar 30, 2019 6:26 AM
Reply to  flaxgirl

Thank you flaxgirl. Fortunately your website is still alive – the videos you’ve linked are not. As I said, NZ suddenly seems to have powerful friends – very flattering …

flaxgirl
flaxgirl
Mar 31, 2019 9:33 AM

Barbara, This video works just as well – https://153news.net/watch_video.php?v=5NH44NNWADB8. Also, you can simply go to 153news.net and click on Christchurch on left to see all videos on that subject. If the link doesn’t work first time try again, sometimes it’s not very responsive. The site is just an individual doing the best they can – nothing like YT.

mark
mark
Mar 29, 2019 10:58 PM

There’s no point trying to whitewash the unparalleled record of Zionist Terror over more than seven decades. Murders of distinguished figures like Count Bernadotte, UN Envoy, who had put his life on the line during WW2 to save persecuted Jews. Or the British High Commissioner. Or the murder attempts against the British prime minister and foreign secretary, to give just a few random examples from a very long list.. Mass casualty terror attacks and false flag attacks directed against their most servile Shabbos goys. USS Liberty. 9/11. Lavon Affair, again, to name just a few of very, very many. With ordinary Jews treated as expendable collateral damage in false flag attacks on synagogues in Iraq and Egypt. It was clear in the 1940s that if a Zionist Regime was ever established, it would never be anything more than a rogue, terrorist, pirate state, and a safe haven for international terror,… Read more »

flaxgirl
flaxgirl
Mar 30, 2019 5:24 AM
Reply to  mark

You misunderstand me, mark. Focus can be put on Israel as a distraction technique that is completely irrelevant to who Israel is, what they’ve done and what they are doing. Completely irrelevant. Propaganda can actually be the truth but it’s how the information is used that makes it propaganda. For example, Lee Harvey Oswald said, “I’m just a patsy.” This was absolutely the truth but this statement was scripted and used as propaganda to make skeptics of the official story think that Oswald saying this provided a reason to bump him off. No! They faked his death and this is very, very obvious in the fact that the famous photo of him does not match a still from the video. https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/lho-shot-tvphoto-comparison.html Propaganda is more subtle than we realise. You need to remember that there are different streams targeted at different groups. The perps understand there is a significant percentage of… Read more »

Bootlyboob
Bootlyboob
Mar 28, 2019 10:32 AM

I was watching this as it was reported and supposedly there were multiple suspects. Now there’s only one? Possibly misreported because he was on the move.

Anyways, I’m completely sick of this whole narrative of the world being run by communists and these communist Marxists are all Leftist Jews. It’s the most batshit crazy idea I’ve ever heard. They’re sitting at home posting this shit on Youtube and Facebook (which they call Leftist by the way) like parrots. Maybe that’s the point. It’s not meant to make sense.

flaxgirl
flaxgirl
Mar 29, 2019 7:59 AM
Reply to  Bootlyboob

There’s often multiple suspects, Bootlyboob. That’s a feature of staged events. They had them in Sandy Hook and Las Vegas too – no doubt others that I can’t think of or am not aware of.

different frank
different frank
Mar 30, 2019 11:07 PM
Reply to  flaxgirl

Like your website btw

flaxgirl
flaxgirl
Mar 30, 2019 5:25 AM
Reply to  Bootlyboob

And yes it’s not meant to make sense. They always inform us of their staging through things that don’t add up, smiling grievers, unbelievability, etc. Always.

different frank
different frank
Mar 30, 2019 11:06 PM
Reply to  flaxgirl

And strangely, shoes

Barbara McKenzie
Barbara McKenzie
Mar 31, 2019 12:38 AM
Reply to  flaxgirl

Totally agree. Anti-vax friend said a year or two back something like, they like you to know that they know that you know. Since then, that thought has recurred in multiple situations. They know you are powerless – increasingly powerless, thanks to assets like Jacinda 1984 Ardern

Antonym
Antonym
Mar 28, 2019 3:10 AM

Forgotten are other ‘lone wolf” attacks in the West: the 2018 Totonto shooting or even the 18 March 2019 Utrecht shooting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Toronto_shooting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utrecht_tram_shooting

Non-Western origin perps plus native Western victims, so not news worthy for the Left in the West nor the MSM !
If only they would study what Islamist do to the Left when obtaining power (Iran 1988 executions).

Wilmers31
Wilmers31
Mar 28, 2019 12:45 AM

It was never credible to assume that Israel, Mossad, NSA, 5eyes would NOT monitor and infiltrate all groups. The back story of Tarrant was never credible, either.

The kind of money he spent could not have come from legit sources. Would the Australian or NZ tax office issue a general statement? No, all silent. It will soon be under super-injunction, the censorship tool that is tighter than the Stalin regime.

flaxgirl
flaxgirl
Mar 29, 2019 8:00 AM
Reply to  Wilmers31

Exactly.

Sandy Robertson
Sandy Robertson
Mar 27, 2019 11:24 PM

For fuck sake, Tommy Robinson is NOT the leader of the EDL!!! And he is not a fascist. He is well known to have QUIT the EDL over six years ago precisely BECAUSE he objected to far-right agitators taking it over.

different frank
different frank
Mar 28, 2019 8:58 AM

Just a racist cokehead then.

BillyBakke
BillyBakke
Mar 30, 2019 6:55 PM

I agree Sandy, the obsession with Tommy Robinson in the English press, to me, is a perfect example of the establishments tried and tested policy of divide and rule. God forbid that we have any working class movements in England. There may be a large element of tribalism within movements such as the EDL and the FLA and they do in the bell curve of their support attract some unsavoury far right elements but they are in no way facist organisation. Collective, grass roots power must always be destroyed by those in established power and their lackeys in the MSM. The easiest way to do this is to call them racist, homophobic and sexist. And, unfortunately it works. Not just by the process of labelling but also that through such labelling the movements attract and are then taking over by extremist elements. And in MHO the middle class left are… Read more »

Arrby
Arrby
Mar 27, 2019 3:48 PM

The author may or may not know that Knights Templar is a branch of Freemasonry. They are explicitly Christian (which doesn’t at all bring them approval from Jesus Christ). If she is aware, that’s simply not clear from the way she discusses the Knights Templar, even though she correctly notes that the name refers to the Temple in Jerusalem.

As for Jacinda Ardern, she’s no hero in my view. (See “NZ Threatens 10 Years In Prison For ‘Possessing’ Mosque Shooting Video; Web Hosts Warned, ‘Dissenter’ Banned” by Tyler Durden – http://archive.is/61wd6#selection-677.0-677.108) This article is a good complement to William Craddick’s detailed reports on Disobedient Media.

dfhdnjdn
dfhdnjdn
Mar 27, 2019 3:35 PM

ANTIPODES: DOWN UNDER & OVER THE TOP
includes video – 1 minute 26 seconds
The Prime Minister of New Zealand received great praise for wearing a hijab when she visited the survivors of the attack; since then, she has continued to wear the hijab in numerous public appearances. For this she has won continued praise. Many non-Muslim women, too, have emulated her, wearing hijabs in solidarity with Muslims, showing their hijabbed selves on Instagram, together with virtue-signaling sentiments of solidarity (“we are with you”), or identity (“we are you”), each text more treacly than the last. And in Australia, too, not to be outdone, a hijab campaign promoted on social media has also taken off among non-Muslim women. Hugh Fitzgerald
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2019/03/hugh-fitzgerald-down-under-and-over-the-top

Arrby
Arrby
Mar 27, 2019 9:59 PM
Reply to  dfhdnjdn

All such head covering disgusts me. If she is wearing it freely, fine. But they wear it because they are in fear of displeasing their family, friends and community if they don’t. Therefore, It’s oppression. It’s mild, but it’s still oppression. As long as you bring the subject up…

Alliyah Brown
Alliyah Brown
Mar 28, 2019 11:57 PM
Reply to  Arrby

Oh, oppression? You mean how most women won’t go out to a party without putting on some makeup because it wouldn’t be accepted by family, friends and the community? What a laugh. Hundreds of thousands of Muslim women wear the hijab because they WANT to, because they force society to see them for their intelligence and not the size of their lips, breasts or buttocks! But hey, keep telling yourself they are oppressed if it makes you feel better.

Arrby
Arrby
Mar 29, 2019 12:43 AM
Reply to  Alliyah Brown

No.

mark
mark
Mar 29, 2019 11:06 PM
Reply to  Arrby

Yes, let’s ban all religious symbols, turbans, crucifixes, niqabs, dreadlocks, skull caps, prayer shawls. Odd how all these people who found it so offensive Ardern was wearing a head scarf had no problems with Blair, Trump and Co. prancing about in kippahs.

Tigger
Tigger
Mar 30, 2019 9:24 AM
Reply to  Arrby

I suppose you’re disgusted by our Queen as well, then. :>))

But as for your comment on ‘oppression’ – I’ve travelled to North Africa and the Middle East over the past 20 or so years and it has become noticeable that the headscarf has become more popular amongst the young women of late – never more so than when America has bombed or otherwise attacked Middle Eastern countries.

Another trend, seen in Lebanon and here in the UK where I now live, is the ‘fashion hijab’, where extremely attractive and heavily made up women wear designer scarves, surmounted by sunglasses (yes, even in winter).

Arrby
Arrby
Mar 30, 2019 11:11 AM
Reply to  Tigger

Is head covering the ‘only’ trend. Anyway, I have my view of the matter. Oppression is oppression. The UK Queen? She’s a parasite. And she has nothing to do with what we’re talking about.

dfhdnjdn
dfhdnjdn
Mar 27, 2019 3:31 PM

“Breivik was portrayed as a fundamentalist Christian but was curiously a member of the Norwegian Order of Freemasons, an organization with a history of ties to the espionage world and susceptible to infiltration because of its inherent secrecy. The original Knights Templar, or “Templars,” were a Christian army founded in the 10th century who initially shielded pilgrims voyaging to the Holy Land and later fought against Muslims during the Crusades while the name is drawn from the Temple Mount in Jerusalem.” 1. There is not, nor has there ever been a ‘fundamentalist Christian’ mass murderer. Either the crime was committed before they were brought to saving faith in the Lord Jesus Christ – in which case they were not fundamentalist Christians at the time OR their faith was a pretence. 2. Freemasonary and biblical Protestantism has never been compatable. 3. Knights Templar are Roman Catholic. Roman Catholicism is counterfeit Christianity… Read more »

Robert J.
Robert J.
Mar 27, 2019 3:59 PM
Reply to  dfhdnjdn

> Freemasonary and biblical Protestantism has never been compatible.

Wrong. Not to make a big point out of it, secondary stuff in the context of this article. An ancestor of mine, a good number of generations ago, who was born a Catholic, became an atheist and married into a militant atheist family of Freemasons. As such he became a rather famous character for his humanistic activities. At some point in life, though, he discovered his own spiritual values and converted to Protestantism (possibly of the Anglican creed, I’m not sure). He then founded his own freemasonic lodge. Those were the days when Freemasonery was still a symbol of progress, fighting against obscurantism and oppression. The first turn came later, when the world’s Freemasonery got divided in the same way as the Socialist International did.

Long-gone days…

Arrby
Arrby
Mar 27, 2019 10:25 PM
Reply to  Robert J.

Freemasonry was never anything other than pagan (without God) and darkness. (A lot of people have Masonic family members and friends. That doesn’t make Masonry righteous. I have a friend who knew that Masonry was off, but joined anyway, solely for gain. I had a foster father, a great guy [relatively speaking] who was a Mason. A friend’s dad was a Mason. Similarly, almost everyone has a friend or family member in the military and what is the military good for?) Even so, Masons should be as free to practice their religion (depending) as other religionists are. But their oaths, especially in Britain, caused problems. Barristers and police who were brothers and who took their Masonry seriously took oaths that conflicted with other oaths that they took in relation to their professions. Martin Short goes into some detail about that, and legislative measures taken to deal with the problem, in… Read more »

mark
mark
Mar 29, 2019 4:55 PM
Reply to  Arrby

Freemasonry is a form of devil worship. I have known a number of committed Christians who left Freemasonry when they realised its true nature.

Arrby
Arrby
Mar 29, 2019 6:09 PM
Reply to  mark

Indeed. It is an overt form of Devil worship. Most of the world worships the Devil.

binra
binra
Mar 30, 2019 9:48 AM
Reply to  mark

Deceit works into any mind that sets itself above others. So it may be that you have a point with Freemasonry as a structure of elite or exclusive ‘knowledge’ – but I don’t accept smear as true just because someone says so. I can also see a usurping and distortion of Jesus life and teaching by a mind under fear that regards itself ‘Christian’. So calling out the ‘devil’ may be where the devil most cunningly hides. Looking first to our own vigilance feels the core message, rather than ‘mapping out’ others as mass targets for pre judgement of denial and penalty. So I do not need to defend Freemasonry – but to hold awareness that dogma, and persecution for non compliance or conformity is not a new thing and that while God or the ‘Voice for God’ delivers us NOT unto evil but may of course deliver us THROUGH… Read more »

dfhdnjdn
dfhdnjdn
Mar 27, 2019 11:43 PM
Reply to  Robert J.

None of that makes them Christians. You need to read more.

Robert J.
Robert J.
Mar 28, 2019 8:25 AM
Reply to  dfhdnjdn

Huh?

Andrew Mcguiness
Andrew Mcguiness
Mar 28, 2019 4:35 AM
Reply to  Robert J.

So long as we’re quibbling, the Anglican church isn’t Protestant. The Creef has, ‘I believe in one apostolic and catholic church …’. Apparently, the distinguishing tenet is belief in the transubstiation of the host at communion.

Arrby
Arrby
Mar 27, 2019 10:18 PM
Reply to  dfhdnjdn

How many books on Freemasonry have you read? I can’t count the number I have read. And I’m not wrong because you ‘say’ so. I recommend Stephen Knight’s books, along with Martin Short’s (faulty but good) book that used much of the late Knight’s research. Actual freemasons, namely the ones who built the cathedrals of Europe, were indeed Catholic. The later usurpers of the work-related customs of the Catholic stone masons were not Catholic and were interested, for the purposes of assembling their cult or order, in Temple symbology and in using techniques (secret handshakes etc, meant originally to determine what pay to give workers, according to Short) to establish exclusivity for their new masonic order, which eventually spawned many orders that each had their own characteristics. (Original, or ‘Craft’, Masonry had only 3 levels. Many later branches of Masonry had many more levels. More levels equalled more cool.) Masonry,… Read more »

dfhdnjdn
dfhdnjdn
Mar 27, 2019 11:46 PM
Reply to  Arrby

Read more. None of that makes them Christian.

Arrby
Arrby
Mar 28, 2019 1:24 PM
Reply to  dfhdnjdn

Agreed. None of that makes them purple spaghetti either.

Arrby
Arrby
Mar 29, 2019 12:53 AM
Reply to  dfhdnjdn

We don’t even know who or what “them” refers to. If you’re referring to authors, What do you know without even asking me what books? Do you know who Stephen Knight and Martin Short are? Do you know whether they were pro or anti Masonic? Are you saying that good people can’t write about bad people? Don’t tell God.

Mucho
Mucho
Mar 27, 2019 3:16 PM

This essential talk from Christopher Bollyn is full of amazing evidence of how the Zionist led “War on Terror” actually began life in the 70s at a conference in Israel and became “operational” on 9/11. This truly is a must watch presentation

Christopher Bollyn “The War on Terror among Truth Seekers” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuOsiMVlMBw

The interview with former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barack on the morning of 9/11 which Bollyn discusses is here

Robert J.
Robert J.
Mar 27, 2019 3:06 PM

I’m quite prepared to believe in secret operations, false flags, assassinations perpetrated here and there, in other words anything sleazy committed by Israel, directly or indirectly. A Palestinian friend of mine who knew his thing once explained to me how easily the Israeli could squeeze the balls of some obscure imam and have him brainwash some young sod into going out and suicide-bombing his way about. I have no doubts either regarding the connections between Israel and the ultra-right, even and especially the established brands — viz. reborn-Xristian–for-the-occasion Bolsonaro’s come to power. In this case, however, there is one slight weakness in a scenario like this one. It makes perfect sense to commit such acts as those committed against synagogues, ethnic albeit non-religious Jews (Charlie Hebdo), Jewish cultural centres and the like in France, in Argentina and elsewhere. It also make perfect sense to ask, how come those things don’t happen in,… Read more »

Arrby
Arrby
Mar 27, 2019 10:28 PM
Reply to  Robert J.

“Two more quick remarks. Max Parry may know some things, but to associate the Italian Five Star Movements with the Zionist and islamophobic ultra-right scum shows a crass ignorance of the most basic facts.” I wondered about that too. I just figured he knew something I don’t. I’m not an expert on the 5 Star Movement, but what I recalled was that it was a movement of non establishment activists.

lynette cracknell chaplin
lynette cracknell chaplin
Mar 28, 2019 1:52 PM
Reply to  Arrby

As a supporter of the 5 star movement, I can assure you that they are NOT supporters of zionism or islamophobic.

Arrby
Arrby
Mar 28, 2019 3:26 PM

Acknowledged.

Jen
Jen
Mar 27, 2019 10:58 PM
Reply to  Robert J.

“… But what could be the point when the victims belong exactly to those Israel generally speaking considers as its enemies, as in Christchurch, or even in Breivik’s case? …” I should think the point depends on what the end objective might be: if the objective is to pressure New Zealand into adopting laws that ban or restrict free speech or which have the effect of victimising particular groups like Muslims or extremist groups advocating white supremacy and relaxed gun laws, and the New Zealand government does indeed start moving in that direction, then whoever cooked up the idea and plan in the first place has won. The Christchurch mass shooting incident might be part of an ongoing destabilisation project that has as its aim to separate groups along ethnic, religious and other identity-based criteria and to set them against one another. The implication is that there will be more… Read more »

Robert J.
Robert J.
Mar 28, 2019 8:22 AM
Reply to  Jen

If it were the US or some other nation of a geopolitical importance, quite possibly. But considering the size of New Zealand, its location on the planet, its little relevance in the average human being’s consciousness, sorry, I don’t buy it.

Small addition: recently I read (can’t remember where that was…) about New Zealand being a favourite place for some US billionaires to take refuge the day “the world ends”. You think “they” would want to do that to those guys, ruin their silly rich dream?

Jen
Jen
Mar 29, 2019 4:05 AM
Reply to  Robert J.

From Max Parry’s post:

“… Tarrant’s journey in Europe included a stop in Ukraine, a hotbed of neo-Nazi activity and as it happens during the massacre he donned the SS wolf’s hook symbol used by the right wing paramilitary group Azov Battalion to which Israel has provided weapons support in its fight against pro-Russian separatists …”

Elsewhere in other news:

Ben Norton, “Israel Is Arming Ukraine’s Blatantly Neo-Nazi Militia the Azov Battalion” (July 2018)
https://therealnews.com/stories/israel-is-arming-ukraines-blatantly-neo-nazi-militia-the-azov-battalion

John Brown,”Rights Groups Demand Israel Stop Arming neo-Nazis in Ukraine”
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/rights-groups-demand-israel-stop-arming-neo-nazis-in-the-ukraine-1.6248727

Israel could have reasons to instigate trouble aiming at dividing and polarising New Zealand society along ethnic and religious criteria for reasons Parry has already covered: New Zealand had a spat with Israel over Israel’s manufacture and use of fake New Zealand passports with stolen identities after the Christchurch earthquake in 2011 accidentally uncovered a Mossad passport-making scheme.

Robert J.
Robert J.
Mar 28, 2019 8:29 AM
Reply to  Jen

Makes sense, possibly, if you’re a Brit. But for any commoner outside of Britain, especially in the Catholic world, the religion of Britain is “Protestant”.

Tigger
Tigger
Mar 30, 2019 9:35 AM
Reply to  Jen

“That there seems to be nothing in the attack for Mossad to profit from could be the perfect rationale for Mossad to carry it out, especially if the attack is intended as one stage in an ongoing plan not intended to be straightforward for most people to follow.”

You make good sense. it could well be an attempt to radicalise young Muslims and lead THEM to commit retaliatory offences – not only in New Zealand but worldwide.

If so, it’s been a spectacular failure. Hurrah for my lovely compatriots.

Antonym
Antonym
Mar 27, 2019 2:05 PM

Your “fireworks” travelled 50 miles / 80 km to “empty land” in North Tel Aviv with 7 wounded https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/03/people-wounded-rocket-attack-central-israel-1903250410s26437.html

Clever move from Hamas to distract any attention from their own domestic street violence now inside Gaza, as you can blame the sure Israeli retaliation as bad. Not that Western MSM & blogs like these need any help in their analysis as the culprit has been determined in advance, again and again and again: the Juice.

different frank
different frank
Mar 27, 2019 2:14 PM
Reply to  Antonym

HAMAS. The One that Israel bankrolled. That HAMAS?

Antonym
Antonym
Mar 27, 2019 2:29 PM

As you believe that the Zionists are behind everything, you must also be one of them…..

different frank
different frank
Mar 27, 2019 2:53 PM
Reply to  Antonym

Just stating a fact Antonym.

Robert J.
Robert J.
Mar 27, 2019 3:10 PM

Yep.

Pesky Puss
Pesky Puss
Mar 28, 2019 6:39 AM

It really annoys me that HAMAS is brought into the equation as a bogey-man. You may or may not like them but they are political party, democratically elected to power. They filled a vacuum created by the fact that the PLO or whoever which runs the West Bank is venal and corrupt and has sold the rights of the Palestinians for a schilling. And what has ”cooperating” with Israel brought them – all of them will be in Gaza-like Bantus very soon. It’s death by strangulation or on-off strangulation. The STERN and IRGUN terrorist gangs’ handiwork won the Israelis’ power, but this does not seem to be a matter of concern. It ought to be if you want to be picky.

Haltonbrat
Haltonbrat
Mar 27, 2019 3:06 PM
Reply to  Antonym

Israel are the terrorists and always have been. The world should definitely be boycotting these Israel psychopaths who kill Palestinians at random as part of their genocide.

mark
mark
Mar 27, 2019 6:10 PM
Reply to  Antonym

Hamas was created by Israel. They even gave it guns – the old Zionist ploy of divide and rule, using hard line Islamists, to undermine Arafat.
This latest trouble is a transparent election stunt by Netanyahu, to divert attention from corruption scandals.
In just one of their many Gaza pogroms, 20,000 tons of bombs supplied completely free by the stooge goys were dropped, a higher explosive yield than Hiroshima. .
But of course to Israel’s Fifth Column abroad, any reaction to their increasingly brutal, racist terror is “terrorism.”

Antonym
Antonym
Mar 28, 2019 3:01 AM
Reply to  mark

And still the Gazan population exploded, that is in numbers of new babies.
What is the reverse of genocide?

Makropulos
Makropulos
Mar 28, 2019 8:27 AM
Reply to  Antonym

It seems that Israel is far outstripping the rest of the world in technology. They now have the capacity to create bombs that create explosions of babies!

mark
mark
Mar 29, 2019 5:07 PM
Reply to  Antonym

Maybe that’s why the Zionist Cabinet Minister, Shaked, called for all Palestinian mothers to be exterminated, so that no Palestinian children could be born.

Or why the Times Of Israel, a national newspaper, quite openly advocated genocide, for the “Palestinian people to be exterminated at concentration camps in the desert.”

Or why Israeli rabbis called for Palestinian children to be murdered.

Don’t worry, pal, all the shabbos goys like Theresa “Je Suis Juif” May, Boris “I Am A Fervent Zionist” Johnson, and Tom “I Am A Proud Zionist” Watson, will make sure the IDF Kiddie Killers get all the British sniper rifles and dum dum bullets they need completely free, courtesy of the goy taxpayer, to carry on gunning down thousands of kids in Gaza.

BigB
BigB
Mar 27, 2019 1:17 PM

“The crisis consists precisely in the fact that the old is dying and the new cannot be born; in this interregnum a great variety of morbid symptoms appear.” “It would be extremely naive to expect the dominant classes to develop a type of education that would enable subordinate classes to perceive social injustices critically.” “The history of education shows that every class which has sought to take power has prepared itself for power by an autonomous education. The first step in emancipating oneself from political and social slavery is that of freeing the mind.” Quotes from two of the greatest ever political educators: Antonio Gramsci and Paulo Friere. It would indeed be naïve to assume that we have been educated in a way that might lead to our political and actual liberation. The greatest coup in all power and class struggle is to assume that the current hegemonic paradigm we… Read more »

milosevic
milosevic
Mar 27, 2019 1:35 PM
Reply to  BigB

Let me guess, next you’ll be telling us to love our oppressors. I’m sure nobody’s ever thought of that idea before.

BigB
BigB
Mar 27, 2019 2:19 PM
Reply to  milosevic

Because hating ‘them’ really works. Witness the whole of inhumane history as a behaviourally patterned template for what comes next. Somehow, somewhere, communities have to break the habit of centuries. Only the oppressed are ever in the position to do that. Hatred is bad education. Education into algorithmically encoded response. He thinks he is free of mind control: is the most controlled of all.

BigB
BigB
Mar 27, 2019 2:25 PM
Reply to  BigB

BTW: I’m not telling anyone what to do. Everyone is responsible for their own mind. I’m trying to suggest a way out: rather than repeat the timeworn cyclical oppression. Projected racism is a weak response: a performative powerlessness. That power is better employed in healing – not hating.

milosevic
milosevic
Mar 27, 2019 11:08 PM
Reply to  BigB

Is the ruling class going to love us back, or is this going to be a strictly one-way relationship?

— because those never end well.

binra
binra
Mar 27, 2019 11:54 PM
Reply to  milosevic

Allowing ‘love’ to embrace the extension of humanity in terms that are tangible and practical, I don’t see that we ‘love’ in order to get something back – but because that is who we are. If love is a core recognition is is held or kept in mind by extending it. I don’t see ‘love as ‘being nice, or virtue signalling or some kind of moral superiority but as without such pretensions. Seeing others as beings of choice is not seeking to make their choices for them. But it may be witnessing to or reflecting their current choices in such a way as to encourage them to own them instead of passing off as being forced to, helpless, or justified, and consider make a better choice – including in the light of such a lack of sympathy and support for its presentation. We most hate in others what we cannot… Read more »

BigB
BigB
Mar 27, 2019 11:58 PM
Reply to  milosevic

I can only go back to how Caitlin Johnstone summed it up. There are three major outcomes to the current civilisational crisis. Absolute fascism, absolute annihilation, or absolute freedom. Continuing the cycles of hate, fear and anxiety absolutely ensures either of the first two outcomes will be further actualised. And absolutised. Call it peace, call it love, call it empathy, call it what you want, sacralise it or secularise it – only an extraordinary response by everybody has any chance of actualising absolute freedom. Its peace or Mad Max or Hunger Games or 1984 or Brave New World or some sort of Ballardian/PhilDickian shit. We are running out of time and options: except to choose which dystopia we want. This world is already dystopic for the majority of humanity and our co-evolved biotic extended family. No offence, but you have been reticent to share any insightful analysis or praxis of… Read more »

milosevic
milosevic
Mar 28, 2019 1:46 AM
Reply to  BigB

It seems to me that loving your ruling-class oppressors pretty much guarantees that the outcome will be absolute fascism, or absolute slavery, which is the same thing. Coincidentally, or perhaps not, “love your oppressor” is the primary message of most forms of organized religion, which is always elaborated by the ruling class to serve their own interests. Funny how that works. Presumably, the emotions of hate and anger evolved for a reason, to tell you when you shoud defend yourself or your group. Organisms which decline to defend themselves when necessary, usually end up as either slaves or food. Being food is obviously an evolutionary dead end, but people who are content to be slaves can probably persist in that condition for as long as their masters find them useful, after which they can perhaps be repurposed as soylent green, or fertilizer. As for what praxis of action I favour,… Read more »

BigB
BigB
Mar 28, 2019 9:11 AM
Reply to  milosevic

Touche. As a case in point: you say “presumably” which is a poker ‘tell’ that you have inherited these ideas uncritically from the consensus. Ideas that were always current, but were made scientifically current by Hubert Spencer (survival if the fittest) social-Darwinism; E O Wison’s sociobiology; evolutionary psychology; Dawkins, Dennet and the genetic determinist fascists (which Dawkins denies, wrongly); Pinker, Hicks, Peterson; among untold others who less vociferously contributed to what I call the 3 F’s (fighting, fitness, and fucking) regime of power that has become the obsessive moral touchstone of authoritarians everywhere. It’s like this, the say – metaphorically waving the research that ‘proves’ the dictatorial ‘idee fixe’ of would-be scientific fascists everywhere. And so long as we prove them right with pre-programmed ‘genetic’ algorithmic evolutionary behavioural responses – they have a point. And we are stuck in the ‘biologically determined’ socio-Darwinian dialectic of oppressor/oppressed – which suits the… Read more »

crank
crank
Mar 28, 2019 9:53 AM
Reply to  BigB

BigB, Milo, Someone (I can’t remember who) wrote words to the effect that ‘the Left’s concern is the poltics of what should be, the Right’s concern is the poltics of what is’. Are we not conflicted beings, both idealistic and bound by a physical, relative world? This is how I understand the human condition. The religious message that underpins our historic society is one of forgiveness and tollerance, peace and care for the dispossessed. And we all know how that worked out. How would it have worked out without that message though? What if ‘the message’ now is one of revenge, war and greed ? Should we not concern ourselves with where that message comes from, who promotes it ? Do ideas exist outside someone’s thinking? If not, then at some point ideas come face to face with the physical system that gives them a footing in this world. Maybe… Read more »

BigB
BigB
Mar 28, 2019 3:33 PM
Reply to  crank

Crank If I can make a quick psychological process model: then I can make my reply. The five senses constitute the sixth: the active experiential sense-mind. This is the primary cognitive root consciousness of experience. In Western – now global – tradition – this actually and actively experiencing core cognition is all but vestigial. It is relegated to a ‘pre-ontological’ proto-self level: usually referred to as the ‘pre-reflective self-awareness’. Being, essence. and the ontological mind of Reason supervene the experiential. If you can understand this basic heuristic of how the mind is hierarchically structured: you can understand the core fascism of Reason, Instrumental Rationality, Will, Intellect over the experiential of actually being here, actively experiencing life. The entire Western onto-theological tradition is built on the Cartesian Error: which is a bit like putting a misplaced concrete cap on the experiential, and using that as a false Foundation to build …well,… Read more »

milosevic
milosevic
Mar 29, 2019 12:31 AM
Reply to  BigB

we make the environment hostile for ourselves.

It’s funny how you vehemently objected to this very idea, when it was suggested in relation to the Exceptional People.

But of course, they wouldn’t be Exceptional, if the same considerations that apply to everybody else’s experience, were expected to apply to them. To question their exceptional status, is the real anti-semitism.

It is the very essence of GoodThink, to instinctively know which exceptions are exceptional, without knowing that you know it. Cultivating this ability requires a consciously unconscious effort at mystifying your own consciousness, until all apparent contradictions fade into the mists of higher enlightenment.

crank
crank
Mar 29, 2019 7:41 AM
Reply to  BigB

With respect BigB, I do not read you answering the questions. I rather read you descending into sesquipedalian ramblings.
However much we might agree with the ultimate truth of the yogi, we none the less live in the world of the commissar.
Jackie Walker, Mark Wadsworth, Ken Livingstone, Tony Greenstein, Asa Winstanley, Gilad Atzmon, George Galloway, Chris Williamson….
When the Gaza bloodbath kicks off who will dare speak for the victims of that ‘Cartesian error’ ?

BigB
BigB
Mar 29, 2019 3:00 PM
Reply to  BigB

Crank; Milosevic

Duly noted: but with no alternative – we will always live in the world of the Commissar …with no alternative.

binra
binra
Mar 29, 2019 9:43 AM
Reply to  crank

Are we conflicted being or conflicted mind running under a narrative justification that in a sense usurps, masks and runs on top of the ‘natural’? Is this not the same as saying Idea moves prior to any splitting through the lens or mind of personae? The nature of an internal division developed from a time of terror as a mind of dissociation or separateness seeking both saving from destruction and alignment with such power through magical or ritual reenactments and sacrificial laws of obedience, appeasement and atonement along with a deep fear of guilt and punishment for being OUT of accord with a Divinity or experience of power in the world that set a sense of guilt and punishment for great fear and suffering. This operated a segregative and separative development of feared and fearful consciousness that is both victim and victimiser or power over life and others. The reintegrative… Read more »

milosevic
milosevic
Mar 28, 2019 12:05 PM
Reply to  BigB

Get a grip. Even animals experience anger and hate. If you don’t know this, you must have never seen a “vicious” dog. Most of the process of domesticating animals is breeding these emotions out of them, so that they don’t revolt against their oppressors. Doubtless, five thousand years of killing off the most rebellious slaves, has had some similar effect on “civilized” human populations, but the selection programme is not yet complete, so organized religion was invented to suppress whatever independent instincts still remain. socio-Darwinian dialectic of oppressor/oppressed You must have had a really privileged life, if such things are just theoretical abstractions to you. There’s no mystery about the class location of most western “Buddhists”; it’s easy to imagine that oppression is just a lack of enlightenment, when you’ve never actually experienced any, yourself. – which suits the oppressor with their monopoly on the really useful violence. The fascination… Read more »

BigB
BigB
Mar 28, 2019 4:07 PM
Reply to  milosevic

Yeah, yeah, yeah, viscous dogs behaviourism …is that all we are in your estimation? It is precisely because we have worn an ‘animal’ or ‘Charaktermaske’ for so long: and are so afraid to lose it – that we have become our own capitalist violence personas. What you will not get – mainly as you won’t drop your guard and get into a meaningful dialogue – is that peace is not mine, nor anyone else’s. Peace is about a meaningful relationship, voluntarily entered in to – despite the violence and chaos that abounds. No, you cannot take peace to Syria in the time of conflict. But did you take your violence there? It is a spurious thing to say. Denigrating ‘me’ says nothing to peace. It does not interact with anything I have said. Previously, you rejected ’embodied cognition’ with a similar set of reactionary rhetoric. Probably without looking in to… Read more »

milosevic
milosevic
Mar 28, 2019 10:51 PM
Reply to  BigB

“Let them eat enlightenment.”

Maybe you can package up that mystical, obscurantist BS and deliver it by the truckload, to the poor misguided fools who are currently tormented by illusions of Imperial death squads. Or try selling it in Gaza; more than food, shelter, and clean water, they need the spiritual nourishment that can only be provided by sages such as yourself, in order to realize that all their problems would evaporate like mist, if only they would voluntarily enter into a meaningful relationship with their zionist oppressors.

organized religion: still distorting social reality and warping vulnerable minds, in the service of the ruling class, after all these millenia.

BigB
BigB
Mar 28, 2019 11:54 PM
Reply to  BigB

M: well, if you are not actually is a warzone yourself – or your life is not actually threatened by violence – and you are essentially advocating violence …you have to ask: who does that actually help? If you think that violence articulating violence is all there is: you can pack that up and take it to a fight near you. I’m sure there will be plenty to chose from. Capitalism is systemically violent because people have to accumulate material causes to articulate some sense of self-esteem – usually temporarily. But self-esteem is experientially available for a minimised close to free non-material cost locally. Package that up and wars become unnecessary. It is only pathological modernism and its artificially inflated materialist lifestyles for some that necessitate wars. Who would want a mobile phone at the cost of 10 million human lives? No one has done a true cost accounting in… Read more »

milosevic
milosevic
Mar 29, 2019 12:09 AM
Reply to  BigB

— no comment on realistic options available to people in Syria, Venezuela, and Palestine, then. I thought not.

binra
binra
Mar 29, 2019 10:40 AM
Reply to  milosevic

Beware the temptation to use the suffering of others as a weapon for your own vendetta. And in general terms to the use of ‘victim’ as the leverage to power or assumed moral superiority. You may have a point in suggesting that a talking school ‘enlightenment’ may be some private bubble – but in your own words you could also have said, “Let them eat ignorance!”. Anything used as a weapon will then turn against us – and this includes using idea or symbol of life, truth or freedom. Weaving a private agenda into truths or setting truths in framing of a private agenda operates ‘disinformation’ or deceit. The deceiver quoted Scripture to Jesus – but to a sense of self-specialness that Jesus gave no attention or welcome to – including in terms of parley or thinking about or arguing with. Alighting in truth as true moments of recognition and… Read more »

mark
mark
Mar 30, 2019 3:52 AM
Reply to  milosevic

My dog could be unbelievably “vicious.”
He would attack Alsatians 3 times his size.
But only after they’d been threatening him.
He once half killed a huge Great Dane that had gone berserk, killed another dog and then attacked him. He left it in a bloody mangled heap for a vet to sort out.
But otherwise he would never harm anything or anyone.
That’s the necessary approach in a world controlled by Zionist mad dogs and Neocohen mad dogs.

BigB
BigB
Mar 28, 2019 9:29 AM
Reply to  milosevic

Herbert Spencer, even, as you are so keen on pointing out typos – or in this case, misremembering.

milosevic
milosevic
Mar 28, 2019 11:04 AM
Reply to  BigB

I’m sure that I have not the slightest idea what typos you are referring to.

It’s disinformation and propaganda I’m concerned with, not minor errors in the written expression of such.

BigB
BigB
Mar 28, 2019 6:17 PM
Reply to  milosevic

Nanking for Nanjing. Can you not even see the exceptionalism inherent in the idea you can police consciousness. How are you going to stop all the neuroimaging and neurocognitive research that has been going on for the last 30 years or so? I’ve just read again that there is a consensus for the soft version of embodied cognition. That means that there is a degree of empirical findings that confirm the the brain has at least some predictive processing mechanisms – not a representational or sign-manipulation model. There is the parallel field of AI and robotics that further confirm radical constructivism of reality. In effect, robots using 18th century minds do not work. Robots with 21st minds – as I have alluded to – do work. How are you going to erase all this propaganda and disinformation? If robots with 18th century representative processors do not work: how can we… Read more »

milosevic
milosevic
Mar 29, 2019 12:20 PM
Reply to  BigB

In effect, robots using 18th century minds do not work. — maybe that’s because they don’t love their oppressors enough. I don’t think that article means what you think it means; it certainly says nothing about “radical constructivism of reality”, which has nothing to do with predictive processing. If objective reality was a mental construct, then predicting its nature would be less than trivial, in fact a null operation. It’s because reality goes right on existing, independently of what any mind thinks about it, that it’s taken three billion years of evolution to produce brains with even very limited predictive abilities. It’s a hard computational problem, with serious consequences — a probable result of wrong predictions is that the consciousness making the error will soon become permanently incapable of making any predictions at all. As when one predicts that jumping off a cliff will result in flying like a bird,… Read more »

BigB
BigB
Mar 29, 2019 2:34 PM
Reply to  BigB

What do you suppose ‘Inside Out’ architecture and ‘hallucinated consciousness’ really mean? Or the failure of Input/Output classical models? It means that the external objective reality input – of 3 billion years of evolution – cannot explain the subjective reality output. There must be a better explanation than the one contained in the Cartesian Error consciousness programme. One that will produce a better, more evolved, consciousness. As an input/output tracking device – with a 5-100 msec processing lag – we could never hunt game or catch prey. Even with a 5-10 msec processing lag we would severely lessen – if not curtail – our aim and ability to catch prey. Big processors (big brains) = big, slow, bodies and huge calorie intakes: etc So we developed ‘Top Down’ internal reality simulators with ‘Predictive Processing’ with ‘Bottom Up’ real world input reduced to ‘Prediction Error’ coding – constantly updating the model… Read more »

milosevic
milosevic
Mar 30, 2019 1:14 AM
Reply to  BigB

So much pretentious verbiage, for so little meaningful content. You must be some kind of academic. An academic human, that is, in contrast to “binra”, who appears to be some kind of machine text-generation algorithm.

If you’re so convinced that your advanced consciousness creates its own reality, why don’t you test that theory, by jumping off a cliff, and trying to fly like a bird? Please let me know if you’re successful. If I don’t hear from you, I guess I’ll have to draw my own conclusions.

BigB
BigB
Mar 30, 2019 9:16 AM
Reply to  BigB

Which is exactly why I laid down the marker. Embodied cognition is an emerging field in biology: with parallel research going on in AI. It is not something I or anyone else can simply make up. Nor is it something that anyone can deny, just because the implications challenge their scientific pseudo-genetic cognitivist thinking. Thankyou, at least for granting me human status. Binra is human too. That is one of the implications of postmodern science – we are all human. Objectifying – as a first stage dehumanisation – another person, group or race – on 19th century biological and 20th century psychological grounds (as in evo-psychology) is substantially outdated and unnecessarily divisive. There are no races in reality. There are no races in biology. Race is fast becoming a political ideological abstract construct and central conflict creation vehicle. Racial, ethnic, religious, gender, social expectations, identity are all part of the… Read more »

binra
binra
Mar 28, 2019 10:19 AM
Reply to  BigB

The only whole state is that of love. Fear or conflicted division is split by definition, Their is no absolute fear – but fear given to fear is the idea of death or non-existence. Fear as the power to conflict, overwhelm and blot out the mind – against which is the identity set in power. Victim and victimiser are two shifting facets of one idea. The use of ‘absolute’ in Caitlin’s idea is serving dramatic purpose. ‘Between the devil and the deep blue sea’ (no choice worthy of the term ‘choice’), is the resort and resource of waking to and calling on freedom which is for a true basis from which to live. And so it is the condition of finding our willingness to question everything or rather the basis of our beliefs and understanding – that we have given deep and personal investment to and find our sense of… Read more »

Ramdan
Ramdan
Mar 27, 2019 4:16 PM
Reply to  BigB

This deconstruction can only take place by the individual questioning the very basis of its thought process. As this seldom happens, discussion of humanity’s current state of affairs remains constricted to the limits of the prevailing fallacy…
Unfortunately, based on this prevailing twisted mankind thinking process, those who efectively hold power will continue to conduct as if it were true, condemning humanity to its own demise

binra
binra
Mar 27, 2019 5:02 PM
Reply to  Ramdan

I would see the fallacy as protected by the assertion (in others) that it seldom happens. Of course the current narrative sets the range of what can be said, heard or accepted – but the willingness to embody life is its witness whatever form it takes. I am not suggesting anything but challenging our own thoughts or narrative presumptions – as the way to live. IE: Not as a way others should live or should be convinced or persuaded to live. The sense that ‘few do it’ becomes the justification for ‘voting’ with the perceived many. Again – no sense of ‘should’ but the undercurrent curiosity of noticing how the mind operates to not know what it does. Let the dead bury the dead can also be taken to mean – bring attention fully into – and with the living. In this sense the choice for unconsciousness is not truly… Read more »

BigB
BigB
Mar 27, 2019 6:59 PM
Reply to  Ramdan

Ramdan I think what my friend Binra is trying to say is that is also a present limit-situation. We cannot know what is to come. We can only build strong defensive paradigms from which we extrapolate future scenarios based on the relative contemporary values we assign to ‘them’ and ‘us’. But there literally is no ‘them’. I am looking at the future now, and it is perfect. There are no boundaries anywhere. To infinity …and beyond! This isn’t some weird metaphysical dream position or private reverie. This is, as far as words can map the meaning, the aperspectival nonduality that the Cartesian Error supposedly foreclosed. But you cannot foreclose reality, or keep a good reality down – not forever. Although it might be slow to permeate this forum: there is a mass convergence of science, spirituality, and nondual reality going on globally. And yes, even though it may be well… Read more »

Ramdan
Ramdan
Mar 27, 2019 8:05 PM
Reply to  BigB

Thanks for all the references.
From this side I tend to favor a more simple approach: Silence is the only truely meaningful thing there is and can be said of anything.
Silence and peace are the only things that remain when everything else have gone.
Beyond that, everything is more or less just “mind creation” (even if with good intentions) with all the traps that go with it.
Then, go for silence, listen to silence, live in simplicity and all divisions will fall on its own.

binra
binra
Mar 27, 2019 11:22 PM
Reply to  Ramdan

Silence is the ground from which all arises as it is. It only seems naked to the view of the emperor under self-doubt and division. So to become receptive, we need listen there, rather than suffer misinterpretations of an established habit, or set of thinking as if their conclusions are themselves self-evident or ‘should’ be. Insofar as we recognize truth and accept it, we have aligned to think and speak and act from it – and this is expression, embodiment and action. The uncovering of our own self-illusion cometh when we thinketh not – both in its unexpectedness, and in our forgetting or neglecting to take thought for ‘ourselves’. Some willingness or desire for truth is needed to make opening through which we can notice or be prompted to notice what we were unaware of before. ‘Most people’ would not understand all of what I just said – but everyone… Read more »

Arrby
Arrby
Mar 27, 2019 10:38 PM
Reply to  BigB

Education is a big factor. I like the quotes. But there’s also free will. Anyone decent, educated and without compulsion, or much compulsion, can up and change his or her mind at any time about anything. It’s a free universe. One day Chomsky is defending the weak. The next, he’s blathering about Assad’s (non existent) barrel bombs. And you ‘can’ sell your soul, which means that you can choose to stop doing evil, after selling your soul, but that doesn’t mean that your everlasting fate (which includes termination) can be changed back to a good one. And what will be the quality of one’s ‘good’ without God’s blessing?

milosevic
milosevic
Mar 28, 2019 11:52 PM
Reply to  Arrby

One day Chomsky is defending the weak. The next, he’s blathering about Assad’s (non existent) barrel bombs. As other people have observed, really effective disinformation should be about 90% true. If it’s all lies, even stupid people will eventually start to notice. It’s the positive re-enforcement derived from the factual part corresponding with actually existing reality, that keeps people coming back for the fake news. However, there can be no one-size-fits-all disinfo campaign, without risking the loss of large parts of the audience. The ratio of factual and counter-factual content, must be adjusted according to where on the ignorant/educated spectrum of opinion it is targeted. If the content of Operation MK-CHOMSKY is about 90% true, the content of Faux News is about 90% false. Too much lying in one case, or too much reality in the other, would tend to alienate their respective audiences. Occasionally, this general policy seems to… Read more »

Arrby
Arrby
Mar 29, 2019 12:44 AM
Reply to  milosevic

That’s assuming that Chomsky was always fake. I personally don’t believe that.

milosevic
milosevic
Mar 29, 2019 1:05 AM
Reply to  Arrby

I don’t suppose that he’s completely fake, even now. It’s an interesting question, how he explains or rationalizes to himself what he’s doing, and to what extent the fakery is externally directed, rather than the result of unconscious biases, or a mistaken understanding of how power actually operates.

https://ratical.org/ratville/JFK/HWNAU/letterToVJS.html#partIb

Arrby
Arrby
Mar 29, 2019 1:16 AM
Reply to  milosevic

Indeed. We can only speculate on most of that. I have my own theories, based on observation. I have dozens of books by and about Chomsky. I realized that while he critiques establishment news and scholarship, he has a relationship with those sources, and a bias against new alternative/progressive media, and may not always – nowadays especially, as he ages and possibly relies on others for research and info – see fake news for what it is. Now, If the State sees that, Imagine how easy it would be to plant info in fake alternative/progressive org like The Nation or Mother Jones that someone could point Chomsky to. I noticed that he never quotes alt/progressive orgs that I’m familiar with, even though they quote him, usually, but not always, favorably. And examining his statements about the internet is revealing. On the one hand he thinks there’s value there and he… Read more »

milosevic
milosevic
Mar 29, 2019 1:36 AM
Reply to  Arrby
binra
binra
Mar 29, 2019 6:24 PM
Reply to  Arrby

If he believed challenging 911 would undo his reputation and a lifetime’s work, he may have been self-protectively aligned with a mis-step that then rendered him a captured opposition.
While there could be different ways that some subjects become a no go area the end result is we self-censor.
I feel that the framework of politics expanded or if you like the goalposts have been moved.
No need to invest in demonising a fallen idol – if such he revealed himself to be.

mark
mark
Mar 27, 2019 1:04 PM

You can’t take anything at face value any more.
The false flags and hoaxes are coming thick and fast, virtually on a daily basis.
Many of these are clearly Zionist orchestrated and serve Zionist interests.
Most of the so called extreme right groups like “Robinson” and the EDL, Wilders in Holland, Breivik and others are Zionist Fronts designed to stir up trouble with moslems.
But there is also a large British element in hoaxes like Skripal, Litvinenko, the Steele Dossier, Russiagate and others.
We should be ready for false flags like CIA mercenaries opening fire on crowds in Venezuela to smear the Venezuelan police, like they did in Ukraine and Syria.
Or a staged attack on a US ship blamed on Iran.
Or maybe another Lockerbie.
To justify another war for Israel, smearing “dangerous” popular politicians like Corbyn, or more repressive laws and censorship.

different frank
different frank
Mar 27, 2019 1:27 PM
Reply to  mark

Tommy ten names is in my opinion pure MI%.

different frank
different frank
Mar 27, 2019 2:14 PM

MI5

Mucho
Mucho
Mar 27, 2019 3:08 PM

Tommy Robinson (his stage name) is a Zionist asset, 100%.
This doc from Know More News shows this very well – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZn721uOWLM

Arrby
Arrby
Mar 27, 2019 10:59 PM
Reply to  Mucho

I think I’ll keep that vid.

Sandy Robertson
Sandy Robertson
Mar 27, 2019 11:46 PM
Reply to  Mucho

He’s never denied that and openly says he’s a Zionist so it’s hardly a revelation.

different frank
different frank
Mar 28, 2019 1:16 AM
Reply to  Mucho

#tommyisapaedo

Sandy Robertson
Sandy Robertson
Mar 27, 2019 11:54 PM

So he put himself through all that opprobrium and shite in jail and physical attacks and the scaring of his kids because he’s a dedicated asset because he’s so dedicated to the authorities because he is a dedicated public servant whose anger is all faked? I doubt it.

different frank
different frank
Mar 28, 2019 1:17 AM

#tommyisapaedo

Sandy Robertson
Sandy Robertson
Mar 28, 2019 5:12 AM

I presume you base that slur on the comment he made to a pretty girl that she was “fit” for a Muslim, and she happened to be 15? Amazing, isn’t it, how the instant she turns 16 thinking she was pretty would no longer make him a paedophile? He has never been accused by the police or MSM of any paedophile offences, so given the fact they monitor his every move and pounce on him at every opportunity I think that’s rather significant.
Robinson has raised the serious question of Islamisation in the UK and this is your contribution to the debate going on? No thanks.

different frank
different frank
Mar 28, 2019 9:01 AM

You think he was in prison?
More like a MI5 safehouse.
Anyone see him there?

Sandy Robertson
Sandy Robertson
Mar 29, 2019 6:17 PM

Journalists on his release, the prison governor… You seriously think he was starved and lost weight as part of some secret plot with Tommy Robinson as 007? Deluded…

mark
mark
Mar 29, 2019 5:13 PM

Maybe for the £10,000 a month Zionist money he gets.

Sandy Robertson
Sandy Robertson
Mar 29, 2019 6:22 PM
Reply to  mark

Any proof of that? In any case, so what, as he’s openly Zionist. He will need lots more to cover all the lawsuits he’s bringing against BBC, Facebook (for falsely saying he called for the beheading of Muslims with zero evidence) and the tens of thousands in costs he has to pay the corrupt Cambridgeshire police.

mark
mark
Mar 29, 2019 11:23 PM

Why should I provide proof of it (something very simple to do) if you couldn’t care less anyway?
If you’re happy with foreign terrorist regimes fomenting violence and disorder on British streets, that’s fine.

Mishko
Mishko
Mar 30, 2019 7:48 PM
Reply to  mark

Another instance of Israeli meddling. THAT is the trouble with our Tommy-boy,
not his Islamisation schtick. Islamisation is obvious, and conducive
to the strategy of tension. Therefore the PTB love it and cannot get enough of it.
OMG Islamophobia!

different frank
different frank
Mar 30, 2019 11:09 PM

Are you lennon’s coke dealer?

milosevic
milosevic
Mar 27, 2019 11:26 AM

The usual purpose of zionist false-flag terrorism is to make themselves look like victims, and Arabs look like perpetrators. This event makes Arabs and Moslems look like victims, and zionist sympathizers look like perpetrators, so it’s hard to see why zionism would have organized such a thing. How do they benefit from public sympathy for Moslems?

binra
binra
Mar 27, 2019 11:59 AM
Reply to  milosevic

Without buying into your frame completely – is it possible to weaken and gain assets from setting your rivals against each other?
The undermining and destruction of the European cultural identity may also be a self-destructive urge – but I see that it gets a lot of ‘help’.
The destruction of the Moslem cultural identity no less.
Incitement to hate, guilt and fear is not unique to any one group of manipulators.

But TO WHAT END or PURPOSE any such ‘war of deceit’?

Is it anything other than vengeance given power?

I see this is the movement in consciousness that gave rise to a ‘world of sin, ruled by guilt, and hidden fear’.

“We shall arrive at our starting place and know it for the first time”. (T.S Elliot – as recalled from memory).

If we now KNOW – then do we still choose to start from here?

crank
crank
Mar 27, 2019 12:04 PM
Reply to  milosevic

The theory that I have read (not from Max) is that zionists want to inflame a global religious/ race war between Christians and Muslims: a great conflagration from which the state of Israel will emerge as ‘a peace maker’ amd ‘a light unto the world’,. Kushner as Moshiach etc. etc.
‘Christchurch’ is a place name with a certain resonance, it has to be said.
For me, at this point, just about anything is on the table. The world is insane and religious fundamentalism knows no bounds. A self willed prophecy ?

reenmac
reenmac
Mar 29, 2019 4:57 AM
Reply to  crank

In that case ChCh was the stupidest place to do it The people of ChCh have really suffered, and quickly open their arms to each other after each new disaster.
The response to the mosque massacre has been a coming together in love and forgiveness, not revenge.

Haltonbrat
Haltonbrat
Mar 27, 2019 3:10 PM
Reply to  milosevic

True, although Israel’s Operation Trojan made the USA believe that Libya was responsible for attacking US troops so Reagan bombed Ghadaffi with the help of Margaret Thatcher.

milosevic
milosevic
Mar 27, 2019 9:26 PM
Reply to  Haltonbrat

Even if true, how is that not “making Arabs look like perpetrators”?

mark
mark
Mar 27, 2019 6:16 PM
Reply to  milosevic

It’s called “Grey Terror”, the aim being to create a general prevailing atmosphere of anxiety, tension, confusion and uncertainty.

Yarkob
Yarkob
Mar 27, 2019 11:23 AM

and here is the Mossad’s uppity younger sibling, the IOF, storming a kids school to arrest a CHILD. But of course, as Antonym will surely tell us: this goes on all the time in the rest of the “Islamic world”

Yarkob
Yarkob
Mar 27, 2019 10:38 AM

“For instance, from a certain national intelligence service whose notorious motto is “for by cunning stratagems, you wage war.”

The author is being slightly disingenuous in his translation of Mossad’s motto (let’s name them, eh) the more generally accepted translation is:

By Way of Deception Thou Shalt Do War

It concisely sums up their MO. Mossad are not like your average run of the mill “intelligence agency” Anyone who knows anything about them knows this. The CIA/SIS they are not.

Meanings and context matter. Especially in these days of universal deceit.

flaxgirl
flaxgirl
Mar 27, 2019 12:14 PM
Reply to  Yarkob

Yarkob, Mossad’s motto has changed but it seems their former motto is from the Bible, translated in Wikipedia as “For by wise guidance you can wage your war”. Their current motto is also from Proverbs: “Where there is no guidance, a nation falls, but in an abundance of counselors there is safety.” It’s not as if I want to defend them in any way whatsoever but I just thought both translations seemed a little odd. I think whatever they do, their motto will have no to little bearing. Mossad’s former motto, be-tachbūlōt ta`aseh lekhā milchāmāh (Hebrew: בתחבולות תעשה לך מלחמה‎) is a quote from the Bible (Proverbs 24:6): “For by wise guidance you can wage your war” (NRSV). The motto was later changed to another Proverbs passage: be-‘éyn tachbūlōt yippol `ām; ū-teshū`āh be-rov yō’éts (Hebrew: באין תחבולות יפול עם, ותשועה ברוב יועץ‎, Proverbs 11:14). This is translated by NRSV as:… Read more »

Yarkob
Yarkob
Mar 27, 2019 1:13 PM
Reply to  flaxgirl

Flaxgirl, You are doing the same thing as the author. Why? As I said: the more *generally* accepted translation is: By Way of Deception Thou Shalt Do War. Even the Mossad accept this, probably as it makes them look a bit more shady. From Viktor Ostrovsky’s book (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Way-Deception-Victor-Ostrovsky/dp/0773724605): “My first six weeks were uneventful. I worked at the downtown office, essentially as a gofer and filing clerk. But one chilly day in February 1984, I found myself joining 14 others on a small bus. … This course was to be known as Cadet 16, as it was the sixteenth course of Mossad cadets. He walked briskly to the head of the table while the other two sat at the back of the room. “My name is Aharon Sherf,” he said. “I am the head of the Academy. Welcome to the Mossad. Its full name is Ha Mossad, le Modiyn ve… Read more »

Antonym
Antonym
Mar 27, 2019 2:09 PM
Reply to  flaxgirl

Beware of fake “Juice”.

olavleivar
olavleivar
Mar 27, 2019 10:19 AM

Much of what the Author concludes is correct .. but he doesnt go far enough …. He may not have understood the whole issue ! … Whenever something happens ..which is difficult to explain ..always ask the Question : QUI BONO ? …. Applying this I was able to deduct who was the ARCHITECT in the Attack against IRAQ ..even before it was undertaken ..just as an Example. …. Besides .. The JOOS have accomplished what they want regarding the DESTABILISATION and DEMOGRAPHIC EXCHANGE of EUROPE …. THEY DONT NEED MORE !…That Train is … well on track !… Now is the time to play the other Horse .. in order to create unsurmountable HATRED between Muslims and Europe…… WHY ? … Well ..They want the LEVANT to be THEIR TURF ! …Simultaneously playng the Corrupt totalitarian Muslim Monarchy Card .. establishing good relations in that direction ..as we see… Read more »

Maggie
Maggie
Mar 27, 2019 3:21 PM
Reply to  olavleivar

Olavlievar –
You speak the absolute truth. Succinctly. Sadly 90% of the population will not be looking up from chewing the cud and will not be opening their eyes, because the reality is too frightening.
The truth that WE are so impotent is not something that many can face.
Time to ALL rise and support Palestine, and boycott Israhell and the USA.
And to call the conniving liars out at every turn.

https://electronicintifada.net/content/watch-film-israel-lobby-didnt-want-you-see/25876

Voltaire said “To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticise.”

lynette cracknell chaplin
lynette cracknell chaplin
Mar 27, 2019 10:09 AM

A very interesting article giving much food for thought. As an Italian, I must make a correction, the Five Star Movement is not right wing, they agree with the League which is centre right regarding immigrants, most of the boat people arrive in Italy and the other EU countries are not responding to our request to share the burden and to take measures to stop this influx ..

Robert J.
Robert J.
Mar 27, 2019 3:19 PM

Absolutely!

Johnny Nineball
Johnny Nineball
Mar 27, 2019 10:03 AM

So, to recap: the headline’s claims — that it is merely a myth that the shooter acted alone, and that there was a possible Mossad role — are backed up by precisely zero evidence in the body of the article. Instead of providing even the tiniest shred of support for the intriguing headline, the article dwells on completely unrelated events as if to imply that if there were probable Mossad agents up to no good at other places and other times, then why not this place and this time too.

And that makes this article…an unhinged rant. Nothing more. Nothing less.

Bundy
Bundy
Mar 27, 2019 11:44 AM

This place here is crowded with a bunch of pathetic and sad Jew-obsessed sickos appeasing their frustration and trying to enrich the poor content of their miserable life by developing spectacular conspiration fantasies.

mark
mark
Mar 27, 2019 12:41 PM
Reply to  Bundy

Or constipation fantasies.

Yarkob
Yarkob
Mar 27, 2019 1:30 PM
Reply to  Bundy

And Jews like myself?

“Obsessive” Jews who can see through the repeated bullshit done “in their name” and glossed over by pathetic and sad sickos appeasing their fantasies about the media telling us the truth, the whole truth and only the truth, and letting us know exactly what happens and what to think, every single time there is another atrocity, without missing anything that needs further investigation? i.e not doing their fucking pathetic little jobs, as someone will be along soon to just thrust a press release into their hands to save them from having to use their tiny brains.

Are you a journalist? Your near useless reply suggests that perhaps you are? if not, come with some real information, rather than just insulting people who aren’t devoted to sucking up the lies perpetrated by the media, day in, day out.

/end rant

George Cornell
George Cornell
Mar 27, 2019 10:33 PM
Reply to  Bundy

You are entitled to your opinion and surely entitled to express it here. But with so much content and referenced substance here, in addition to emotion and opinion, why not take on specific issues and debate them? Name-calling is what adolescents do in the schoolyard, and what adults do when they are fact-deficient or unable to debate. For example the scurrilous claims that Corbyn is anti-Semitic, would be a good issue for you to comment on as there is so much material. I imagine that your command of the English language inhibits you, but let me encourage you that many readers here can look past awkward phraseology. Have a go.

Sandy Robertson
Sandy Robertson
Mar 27, 2019 11:41 PM

The guy is so deluded he thinks Tommy Robinson is a fascist and the leader of EDL. Robinson quit EDL over six years ago precisely because he objected to real far-right fascist (who loathe him) usurping the movement he began. He started it by burning a Nazi flag in front of a banner saying Black and White Unite. Sad to see Off-Guardian running the same sort of misinformation as the Graun itself.

different frank
different frank
Mar 28, 2019 10:57 PM

Tommy ten names mates. Michael McQueenie, EDL Blackburn, has just been charged with two counts of rape against a 14-year-old girl and sexual assault. Richard Price, former EDL leader: on the sex offenders register. Price admitted four counts of making indecent images of children and two charges of possessing cocaine Michael Coates AKA Micky Blue Eyes NW Infidels: charged with 2 attempted rapes and other sex offences. Brett Moses EDL Hull: 12-month prison sentence for sexual grooming. Matthew Woodward, Deeside EDL: charged with child pornography and soliciting a 13 year old for photographs. Alan Thomas Ellis, Deeside EDL: convicted of sending texts of a sexual nature to a 14 year old girl. Archie Sliman, EDL : kidnapping and sexually abusing 10-year-old girl. Stephen Payne SDL supporter: convicted of grooming a 13 year old. Nigel Hesmondalgh, BNP: jailed for possessing a series of degrading photos and videos of children. Liam Pinkham… Read more »

Sandy Robertson
Sandy Robertson
Mar 28, 2019 11:09 PM

I repeat, he LEFT the organisation over SIX YEARS ago. He can hardly be held responsible for what these people have done. Paedophiles are found throughout society. If you found a dozen lawyers were paedophiles would you say anyone in the profession was approving of paedophilia? No.

different frank
different frank
Mar 29, 2019 2:52 PM

He started a campaign to get Richard Price released from prison though.
That blows your argument out of the water.
He does not care about children.

Sandy Robertson
Sandy Robertson
Mar 29, 2019 3:08 PM

Have you read the EDL statement about Price? His SECOND HAND computer was found to have a tiny number of photographs of kids at the lowest level of POSSIBLE paedophile use, that had been left by a previous owner, eg kids in a swimming pool, that sort of thing,not porn. Police call these level 1. Price wasn’t allowed to see them. He was told if he didn’t plead guilty he’d get dragged through the press and he foolishly agreed. Theres no real evidence that he’s actually a practicing paedophile. I certainly don’t think Robinson would defend him if he thought he was.

different frank
different frank
Mar 30, 2019 7:25 AM

But he did.
He protects his paedophile mates.
You are clearly a hasbara troll.

Sandy Robertson
Sandy Robertson
Mar 30, 2019 12:13 PM

“But he did” – who is “he” and he “did” what? Price or Robinson? Not very clear. And I’ve no idea what “hasbara” is so you can be sure I’m not affiliated. And I never troll. I was from an old Labour Clydeside household so am hardly a candidate for being far right. I was approached by paedos several times as a kid so I would never defend them. I look into things rather than accepting MSM versions. I’d need to see some real evidence that the guy is a paedophile before condemning him. There have been ordinary women accused just for posting a pic of their toddler in the bath. Show me some evidence that Price is actually a practicing paedo. If not let’s agree to disagree because there’s no point continuing this discussion. Have a good weekend.

different frank
different frank
Mar 30, 2019 11:13 PM

I hope you daughter marries a MUSLIM, and has many MUSLIM children.
You are a sad apologist for a racist.
Your politics is petrol through letterboxes

binra
binra
Mar 27, 2019 10:00 AM

No matter what comes up as newsfeed, the experience of being deceived needs remind us to be vigilant against it in all or any forms. Post truth politics is where ‘everything is a psyop’. That the ability and freedom of communication among people or institutions to bring about outcomes is being progressively denied or paralysed by the usurping of communication as a weapon of deceit. Vigilance then, is also watching our mind, the terms and phrases and meanings we adopt or accepts as currency of genuine exchange, and NOT allow our own mind to be ‘hacked’ and used as a proxy for loveless or hateful agenda. Holding a love of truth, does not have to commit to beliefs as to ‘what to believe’ in merely disinvesting automatic acceptance of credulity. Hate demands a target – but the undoing of hate is hurt in the heart – which is at least… Read more »

different frank
different frank
Mar 27, 2019 9:27 AM

Regarding Breivik.
Ole Dammagard’s piece is worth a look.

flaxgirl
flaxgirl
Mar 27, 2019 9:59 AM

Yes, most definitely. I don’t think Max is aware of the phenomenon of “staged event” or that the Dancing Israelis, the roadblock, explosives dust, etc were propaganda aimed at 9/11 truthers. Wake up, Max!
See purpose of Dancing Israelis here: https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/911.html

Leaked footage of seeming worshippers, including imam, wandering around a room (not sure where) clearly demonstrating that Christchurch was a staged event. (If anyone demurs, please put in your objection to this assertion how this footage can fit real event and also please provide anything that clearly supports that the Christchurch shootings were “real” over “staged”). https://153news.net/watch_video.php?v=5NH44NNWADB8

For more videos showing that Christchurch was staged go to:
https://153news.net/videos.php?cat=1013&sort=most_recent&time=all_time&seo_cat_name=

different frank
different frank
Mar 27, 2019 10:14 AM
Reply to  flaxgirl

Flaxgirl.
My own personal favourite is Woolwich;
Truly laughable.

flaxgirl
flaxgirl
Mar 27, 2019 10:37 AM

I’ve barely looked at that one – so many! I think mine’s Manchester and I like UK Critical Thinker’s videos which are mostly about Manchester. My favourite crisis actor I think is Paula Robinson – I truly take my hat off to how she can spout the biggest load of nonsense. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDSPvxMBqzk

flaxgirl
flaxgirl
Mar 27, 2019 10:11 AM

Oh, and wouldn’t you know it a drill was going on the same morning … just like the dozens of drills on 9/11 and the drills preceding so many other staged events.
https://153news.net/watch_video.php?v=G25YYK451XSM

This is an interesting 7 min video from Vinnie Eastwood on Jacinda Ardern’s background and on the Labour party in general.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kmukUisSkM

crank
crank
Mar 27, 2019 9:12 AM

if the world is serious about confronting the emerging far right internationally it must be willing to accurately diagnose the phenomenon. One of its most distinctive attributes is its Christian Zionism and a shared belief that the Bible gives Israel evidential right to Palestinian land and that Jews are inherently non-indigenous to Europe. This is the crucial statement for me. To understand Israel, more people need to be prepared to delve deeper into the ideas that sustain it and which motivate its supporters. The (failed in my opinion) notion that still prevails on the Left, which argues that Israel is solely a ‘client state’ or ‘an outpost’ of US empire just doesn’t hold together -once a reader starts to ask real questions. Yet to ask such questions is often to ask to be effectively excluded from most anti-zionist discussion of the Left. I don’t regard myself as ‘Christian’, but I… Read more »

jag37777
jag37777
Mar 27, 2019 8:51 AM

The antisemites get in the way of the antizionist Palestinian cause. Idiots.

jag37777
jag37777
Mar 27, 2019 8:47 AM

There was no there there. Clickbait.

Makropulos
Makropulos
Mar 27, 2019 8:14 AM

“…..corporate media has been determined to establish that suspect Brenton Tarrant acted alone…..”

Ah that old one again. It must be the media’s biggest hit. In more ways than one.

Antonym
Antonym
Mar 27, 2019 6:43 AM
John
John
Mar 27, 2019 7:22 AM
Reply to  Antonym

And in other (((hidden by the MSM news))) Israel attacked one hundred positions in Gaza because they claim Hamas (that famous Israeli invention) fires some fireworks into wasteland. By the way when was a Jew last Killed by a rocket or these constant suicide bombings that haven’t happened for a while? Great too that he jews take the high ground to cheer children being bombed despite being militarily trained and apparently being terrified out of their foreskins about hamas fireworks when everyone knows the high ground is what you attack first! And yet these people keep handing each other prizes at their own owned awards do’s and pretend to smarter than the Goyum

different frank
different frank
Mar 27, 2019 9:29 AM
Reply to  Antonym
different frank
different frank
Mar 27, 2019 1:31 PM
Reply to  Antonym

Antonym
Auschwitz Survivor – Israelis are behaving like 1930s Germans behaved – Hajo Meyer

Robert J.
Robert J.
Mar 27, 2019 3:26 PM
Reply to  Antonym

Al Jazeera a reliable source again? That’s new to me. Not to say that Hamas and Israel don’t have many common interests.

Antonym
Antonym
Mar 27, 2019 6:36 AM

Why provide “antisemitism on the rise” with more ammo Max?

Brian harry
Brian harry
Mar 27, 2019 7:06 AM
Reply to  Antonym

If there are SO MANY “anti-Semites” in the World, making comments critical of the Semite’s behaviour, maybe they’re right……Maybe the Semites should correct their behaviour, no?

mark
mark
Mar 27, 2019 12:46 PM
Reply to  Brian harry

When you DO bad things, people SAY bad things about you.
The Chosen People have never been able to grasp this.

Arrby
Arrby
Mar 27, 2019 4:02 PM
Reply to  mark

And who are God’s chosen people? Jesus said that if his disciples remained in his word then they’d really be his disciples (John 8:31; And no, I’m not saying that Jesus is God. But Jesus is God’s chief representative.) It’s not rocket science. As for the Bible saying that Jews own Palestine because God gave it to them, Those who think so don’t know their Bible. Today’s racist, violent, Godless Jews in Israel are due to be removed from ‘their’ land, not by their weaker Arab neighbors or law-abiding people anywhere, but by the One who they have offended deeply and who they call out to daily, along with many others, to “Bring it!” They do that by all that they say and do. The Bible has a lot to say about those who God’s word exposes. They are always depicted as stinging (burning actually) from the judgment but responding… Read more »

binra
binra
Mar 27, 2019 4:47 PM
Reply to  Arrby

All are called but few have chosen to listen. Yet there a two Calls within us. The OT sense comes from under a ‘Jealous god’ of terror with whom a covenant is sought by which to be ‘saved’ from destruction and ‘set over’ others – ie – it is a worldly kingdom. The Old Call is a call to sacrifice, ruled obedience and alignment with power. The NT sense is a a Call to Life Now – not ‘in a minute’ or after attending the dead. By substituting ritual forms of allegiance, the Call to sacrifice can be persisted in AS IF a Call to joy. Those who judge themselves as the ‘Chosen Ones’ have in a sense chosen to represent self-specialness and self-illusion in the play of personal identity. Everyone in the world has some capacity for self-specialness because that is the nature of our investment in it: But… Read more »

John
John
Mar 27, 2019 7:14 AM
Reply to  Antonym

Being anti Jewish should be the order of the day everyday antonym. Funny how Hamas is a Israeli invention ain’t it?!

George Cornell
George Cornell
Mar 27, 2019 8:03 AM
Reply to  Antonym

Good question. Are you confident it would not otherwise just be invented?

John
John
Mar 28, 2019 8:15 AM
Reply to  George Cornell

There was no will of the people for a Hamas movement theyvpreferred fatah and the plo

Makropulos
Makropulos
Mar 27, 2019 8:13 AM
Reply to  Antonym

Once again that magical incantation “antisemitism” chanted out to make all the bad stuff just ….go away.

Some Random Passer-by
Some Random Passer-by
Mar 27, 2019 8:30 AM
Reply to  Antonym

As I have seen, those who plow iniquity and sow trouble reap the same.

Job 4:8

Fair dinkum
Fair dinkum
Mar 27, 2019 6:18 AM

‘There will be wars and rumours of wars’
‘Nation against nation, Kingdom against Kingdom’
Sad, when the Bible gets it right.
Meanwhile, the world’s biggest business, the arms trade, gleefully rubs its bloody fists together.