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Stop the Gucci and Prada Talk

Chinese and Russian People Want to Live Too!

Andre Vltchek

Pedestrians stand in front of a Prada SpA store in the Wangfujing shopping area of Beijing, China, on Saturday, Jan. 12, 2019. Photographer: Giulia Marchi/Bloomberg

I hear this again and again, whenever I speak in the West:

What kind of Communism is that, in China? In all big cities, they have Prada and Gucci in every major department store.”

Western leftists are obsessed with this topic. They do not even realize how ridiculous, how racist their arguments actually are!

China, with some 6,000 years long history, 1.3 billion inhabitants and the second largest economy in the world, has almost eradicated extreme poverty in the cities, and in the countryside. For the first time in modern history, people are moving from the urban centers to the villages. The great Ecological Civilization effort is demonstrating to the world how to save the environment, and the planet. The country is firmly back with its brilliant model of “Communism with the Chinese characteristics”. Its foreign policy is more and more internationalist.

But the more progressive, independent-minded and kind to its people China becomes, the more it is attacked and antagonized by the West. The more is its Communist model scrutinized, under the microscope.

By the Right, by the racists and imperialists naturally, but by the Left?

The problem is that the Western Left subscribes to exceptionalism almost as much as the Right.

It demands purity, great sacrifice and austerity from countries like China and Russia.

As I have already described in many of my essays and books, including Revolutionary Optimism, Western Nihilism, there is hardly anything pure left in London or Paris. Hardly anyone is ready to commit to anything ideological, especially to the revolutionary struggle. Sacrifice or austerity is totally foreign to Europeans or North Americans, no matter on what side of the political spectrum they stand.

But the Chinese and Russians are expected to behave like saints.

Actually, the entire planet is supposed to stop consuming, driving expensive cars, wearing designer shoes and bags, and if possible, to stop travelling.

All these privileges are reserved for Westerners, and for the elites in ‘client’ states.

It is never pronounced like this, in one breath. But that is what the Western left-wing intellectuals with their, outdated and rejected by the entire world ‘anarcho-syndicalist logic’, really want to push down the throats of all non-Western people.

And I say: such twisted logic is insulting, even disgusting.

For centuries, the West has been robbing, and looting everything, in all corners of the world.

Designer boots is what the British and French ‘gentlemen’ were kicking ‘un-people’ with, in their crotches and their buttocks. Designer clothes were worn by the first and second generations of those refined European ladies in North America, while the native population was being exterminated, and slaves were laboring and getting raped on the plantations.

I don’t want Westerners to talk about fashion and who has the right to be ‘obsessed with it’. I sincerely believe that Europeans and North Americans have absolutely no right to judge anybody, or to ‘advise’ people anywhere in the world, on how to live, what to wear and consume.

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Chinese people, as well as Russian people, work extremely hard. They work much harder than most people anywhere in Germany or France. Unlike Westerners, they do not loot. They do not exploit anyone.

If they make money and want to spend it the way they want, it is not the business of Western hypocrites to protest.

No matter what the half-hearted ‘austerity’ measures the Europeans and North Americans take (like turning the lights off in their toilets, or using half a tank to flush their toilets), the plunder that their countries are continuing to perpetrate, and the privileges that their entire societies enjoy, are overwhelming and unprecedented. And yes, Europeans recycle a few sheets of paper, while their multi-nationals grab and privatize entire aquifers in South America.

China and Russia are already doing all they can to save the world and the environment, from the deadly Western imperialism. If they work for it, their citizens have the full right to buy the latest mobile phones or elegant pair of shoes. If they want to travel to Thailand or to Turkey for vacation, that’s perfectly fine. It does not make them more or any less Communist or internationalist.

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But that is not what they think in the West.

You see, those ‘comrades’ in France or US or UK actually demand that everyone listens to their definitions about what the Left is, and what is not; or what Communist or capitalist is.

The great cultures of China or Russia cannot be trusted to decide how they define themselves. The definition has to be outlined on some couch in London, or in a bar in New York, or at a Euro-centric university. It has to be some ‘traditional Marxist’ or anarcho-syndicalist who is expected to put their stamp of approval on, and tell those ‘savages’ who they really are.

The West may be obsessed with ‘political correctness’, but it is as racist as ever. Racist and fundamentalist, it has to be added.

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I have a proposal to make: if the West is so concerned about Chinese and Russian citizens wanting to drive decent cars and to wear elegant clothes, why don’t they push for an end to the production of these items in their own end: in France, Italy, the United States. Their countries would lose millions of jobs, but if they are so principled, then, why not? Why don’t they themselves dressed in rags?

But seriously, why don’t they, themselves, build that ‘real and pure’ Communism?

So far, all they, the Western ‘left’, have done was to change colors like chameleons; they betrayed both socialism and Communism, and ended up doing absolutely nothing, instead of fighting, just the constant criticism of others who are actually busy trying to build much better world.

You know, we are tired of being tutored and advised by them. I have had enough of hearing, in those luxury villas in North America and Europe, over expensive drinks and while being comfortably seated in those plush chairs and sofas, how the Chinese, Russians and Vietnamese people should give up aiming for the latest mobile phones and designer clothes. I am sick of those bizarre statements coming from anarcho-syndicalists who are living in luxury marina compounds somewhere in New England, that “China is not really Communist because it has a few billionaires”.

Periodically, I come to the West to speak, to open my films or to launch my books. I get invited to ‘those places of high abstract morality’ in the evenings, inevitably. Places where dogs have better lives than citizens of the neo-colonized African or Asian countries. It is always the same tune.

And this time, I have had enough.

We don’t need advice, thank you. And we are smart enough to know and to define, who we are.

The Western ‘left’ should take care of its own problems. They have lost on their own continents, in their own countries. Presently, they don’t have one single figure that could inspire the world. All they do is to bark at the true revolutionaries, and at the countries where both Communism and socialism are firmly in power. They bark because they have nothing important to say. They bark because they have no guts to fight. They bark because they will never get elected, and they actually have no strength to govern. They bark, because, I believe, they actually don’t like true Communists and socialist at all; those who are facing the real world, real issues, and real enemies.

Communism and socialism have won elsewhere, in several places in Asia and Latin America, even in the Middle East. People there fought bravely. Despite the Western left, not because of it, they won.

We have already determined that the pompous self-centered exceptionalism of the West is similar to religious fanaticism. The Western Left is no exception.

They don’t only want us to be ‘pure’, they want us poor, humiliated and submissive. This way they can pity us, and constantly pretend that they are trying to save us (not for our own sake, but for their own).

Unfortunately for them, we do not need their charity. We are winning. Anyone who is not blind can clearly see that China and Russia are standing tall and marching forward. And other independent-minded countries are winning as well.

We know precisely who we are – no need for advice. And what we are will not be threatened if our women and men wear designer clothes, or drive good cars. In fact, claiming otherwise is appallingly patronizing; it is racist rubbish.

[First published by NEO – New Eastern Outlook]

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mark
mark
Apr 23, 2019 11:11 AM

That’s what these extinction rebellion lunatics are advocating – people in Africa shouldn’t be allowed to have tractors etc., they should be satisfied with the simple life, while the De Caprios and the Gores jet set around the planet to collect their climate change awards.

crank
crank
Apr 23, 2019 11:29 AM
Reply to  mark

It is doing the rounds today.
We have medialens dismissing the work of Cory Morningstar as ‘pure conspiracist moonshine’.
No real rebuttal, just the same retributive denunciation that they complain about recieving for their work week in week out.
Has hypocrisy ever been more stunningly on display ?

kingfelix
kingfelix
Apr 23, 2019 11:06 AM

Reading this from Taiwan, I can only treat it as bad satire.

Paul Harvey
Paul Harvey
Apr 21, 2019 5:00 PM

While I cannot vouch for every single anarcho-syndicalist currently alive, I very much doubt there are many: “. .. anarcho-syndicalists who are living in luxury marina compounds somewhere in New England…” In terms of the myriad forms of communism, socialism and anarchism in the West, Andre could have chosen to make his point in the essay, I am really at a loss to understand how Andre has chosen the specific praxis of ‘anarcho-syndicalism’ as a cipher for the lifestyles of the rich and famous synthetic left? Obviously this comments section is not the place to discuss the historical manifestations of Anarcho-Syndicalism, and while I hesitate to endorse Wikipedia as a paragon of objectivity, it’s article on Anarcho-Syndicalism is an excellent theoretical and historical overview of the term. On an entirely subjective level, my own personal experience of the UK anarchist mileu back in the eighties and nineties was populated by… Read more »

crank
crank
Apr 21, 2019 2:00 PM

China is widely believed to be lying about the state of its economy.
The era of fiat currencies and central bank printing presses has desensitized us to massive leverage and its implications. So when it is reported, for instance, that China‘s private sector borrowing has risen to levels that are unprecedented in financial history, this is greeted with a collective yawn.

It shouldn’t be, though, because no society can continue to borrow this kind of money without spinning out of control. Some details:
https://www.dollarcollapse.com/soaring-chinese-debt/

Vitchek’s article is inspired by magical thinking and spoken with a koolaid burp.

Stonky
Stonky
Apr 22, 2019 5:50 AM
Reply to  crank

China is widely believed to be lying about the state of its economy… The western media are widely believed to be lying about every aspect of life in China. Oh and they’re widely believed to be lying about the precarious state of their own economies too. I have no doubt that the Chinese economy may not be as healthy as the CPC presents it. But the forecasts of doom need to be placed in context. Every year for the past 20 years the “renowned US economic forecaster” Gordon Gecko has been forecasting a Chinese economic collapse that still hasn’t happened. Back in 2007, the “eminent British economic commentator” Will Hutton had the misfortune to produce “The Writing on The Wall”, portentously foreseeing an imminent Chinese economic collapse that hasn’t happened yet, while failing to foresee a Western economic collapse that happened seven months later. One thing the Chinese will never… Read more »

Maggie
Maggie
Apr 22, 2019 9:25 AM
Reply to  Stonky

Excellent as always Stonky. Precise and informative – THANK YOU!.

crank
crank
Apr 22, 2019 9:40 AM
Reply to  Stonky

Why consider the views of liberal commentariat who are consistently shown to be wrong?
Why not listen to those who understand the role of debt in the economy of the world and who have a track record of calling it correctly (Steve Keen for example) ?
I read this as a straw man.
Chinese dissent is much more restricted than in some other parts of the world, so false or manipulative reporting of economic indicators (everywhere) can be challenged whereas Chinese experts are mute. That was the point.
None of this challenges the funadmental points about debt, net energy surpluses, resource depletion, pollution and limits to growth.
Context?

BigB
BigB
Apr 22, 2019 11:10 AM
Reply to  Stonky

Stonky It hasn’t happened, so it probably won’t happen. I’m sure there is a name for this fallacy – but fallacy it is. To re-iterate Crank: Steve Keen has written extensively about unrepayable sovereign and foreign debts – and China’s “Minsky Moment”. In other words, China has an existential need to expand: see the Harvey and Engdahl articles I linked to. Here is a statistic David Harvey uses: China used more cement in three years than America used in the entire 20th century …to build its way out of the last crisis – the GFC. The net effect is that is carrying ALL of its post-Deng debt levels forward. It should be obvious that the rate of internal production levels reached are not sustainable. China is post-peak oil and running out of everything (including water). It can only sustain growth by exporting it and has already started its own ‘offshoring’… Read more »

BigB
BigB
Apr 22, 2019 12:25 PM
Reply to  BigB

BTW, Stonky:

Having read what yo wrote below: I’m feeling a bit pissed off I wasted my time on this reply. There is nothing in this reply that is hidden by jargon or anything else. I just don’t agree with your rather poorly considered BS. If you want to engage on any of the points I raised, or want links, or want anything other than to make asinine trolling accusations …try engaging your brain. It’s that lump of fat in your head that is atrophying by the moment.

Maggie
Maggie
Apr 21, 2019 11:56 AM

Seamus Padraig – Then we must RISE and stand together to stop this gagging order. And post far and wide the actual truth.
As I said we need an I’m Spartacus movement.

olavleivar
olavleivar
Apr 20, 2019 4:37 PM

Jewish Terrorism by Taxi https://platosguns.com/2019/03/17/jewish-terrorism/?fbclid=IwAR1SuVvDdBNXC4OWDRZEJRjrKJUJsKBoUEfPl6r6Ix_D6imJ6BouB5Pc8E8 Mutilators of history and inverters of reality. Infanticidal, satanic pedophiles of antiquity and of modern times. Human-organ traders; sex-slave traders; historic slave-traders; executioners of the unarmed and snipers of the bellies of expectant mothers; mass murderers and rapists and pornographers and drug pushers; grave robbers and loan sharks and mafia lords and lords of the ghetto them ghetto Jew billionaires and their coterie of rabid rabbis. War pigs obsessed with policing the peaceful. Death merchants obsessed with the six-million mathematical. Swindlers and heisters in love with their red heifer. Pagans in disguise and kabalistic bilkers of the loveless and the bereaved – shooters and looters of lost souls. Liars and deceivers and congods of the universe. Diddlers and bamboozlers of lush towns and cities. Poisoners of air and water and garden and the body human. Brainwashers of beautiful minds and saboteurs of sunshine and sunny… Read more »

olavleivar
olavleivar
Apr 20, 2019 4:36 PM

NO Andre … the REAL Story is quite different ! Let me explain it in a SIMPLE MANNER : I will just state FACTS as they are .. without getting entangled in pointless argumentation .. as FACTS are evident for anyone who cares to Look . You see… the British Empire never was ” British ” .. it was a JEWISH Empire counting from 1695 were the Jews created and since then have owned Bank of England ,,, They bribed some local ” Elites ” , for ex the Churchill family at whom they threw some left overs from the Spoils and Blenheim Castle was build by JEW bribery Money .. They were not the only ones who took the bait ! The ” British” actions in China .. Hongkong , Opium Wars etc was an EXCLUSIVE JEWISH AFFAIR …Just like the Boer Wars , the Control over East India… Read more »

Maggie
Maggie
Apr 21, 2019 11:25 AM
Reply to  olavleivar

Olavleivar – EXCELLENT APPRAISAL! written in a manner that All can understand and NONE are excluded.
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

Would the 4 people down voting this post like to come forward and explain what it is they disagree with and provide PROOF?

BigB
BigB
Apr 21, 2019 3:54 PM
Reply to  Maggie

So this is the ‘truth’ as you understand it? The penny droppeth.

BigB
BigB
Apr 20, 2019 2:32 PM

The Russians and Chinese want to live? By spending illicit capital – and all capital IS illicit and eco-pathological? Then they should appreciate that capitalism, particularly neoliberalism – which both countries are despite Andre’s mis-definition – negates life. There can be no life under capitalism: end of. Life is relentlessly whole: capitalism is relentlessly dualising and dichotomising. The two are mutually exclusive: which is simplicity itself to understand. Capitalism colonises – and expands like a bacterial pathogen …splitting exponentially – opening a ‘reality gap’ between the real and the unreal. Out of the lateral spread – of colonising neo-statist peer-to-peer and intra-state alienation …state superstructures are assembled to capitalise and monetise the alienation. The state is nothing but a monument to alienation – extremising alienation – which is nothing without the colonised constituent consensual communities of the alienated. And the economic logic of dialectical materialism both share. The state is… Read more »

right to left (@rlmcr57)
right to left (@rlmcr57)
Apr 20, 2019 6:14 PM
Reply to  BigB

Thanks BigB! Scrolling down, this is the first sensible comment I cam across…..including Andre’s…or maybe especially Andre’s post! If we don’t accept capitalism here in the west, why apologize for or diminish its effects in the east? The one good thing we can say is that in this 21st century, the Chinese Government is capable of learning from mistakes and making course changes or corrections…unlike out of control capitalism that is devouring the west and most of the world today! China gave up on plans of building hundreds of coal-fired generating stations in the 90’s and is trying to reduce the car population in its cities and encourage residents to re-adopt the former primary transportation – bicycles again. I’m old enough to remember almost 50 years ago when we first started seeing video of Americans and other western cultural reps and journalists visiting China and showing us cities like Beijing,… Read more »

BigB
BigB
Apr 20, 2019 8:02 PM

Thanks for the reply. Rather than focus on conspicuous consumption: if anyone wants a serious conversation about China’s centrality to the world economy – International World Capitalism – a better approach is to ask “what sort of capitalism do we want: if any”. Luckily, David Harvey already has asked this question: https://www.democracyatwork.info/acc_the_significance_of_china_in_the_global_economy https://www.globalresearch.ca/debt-chinas-achilles-heel/5668125 So what is all the techno-theological progress for? If entropy allows its development: what are we going to do with all the redundant labour? And if entropy and debt conspire against capitalist progress: what the fuck are we going to do? Who are we and where are we going to? Nobody seems to have a clue. But in the cuthroat cyber-suburbs of China: we are racing to get there as quick as we can. It is not a specific Chinese problem: but one that affects us all. And if China fails economically; we all go under. So,… Read more »

Kathy
Kathy
Apr 20, 2019 1:56 PM

[:Let everyone sweep in front of his own door, and the whole world will be clean.]
Johann Wolfgang von Goeth

BigB
BigB
Apr 20, 2019 10:29 AM

I can’t read this. My heart sank as soon as I read this pseudo-sentence: “The great Ecological Civilization effort is demonstrating to the world how to save the environment, and the planet.” An economic critique of Chinese ‘neoliberalism with Chinese characteristics’, as the esteemed Marxist geographer David Harvey more accurately depicts, is well overdue. There is plenty to critique. The Dynamic Systems Ecology (DSE) overview of International World Capitalism (IWC) – of which China plays a leading part (if not THE leading part – remove Chinese growth and the world system is deep in economic recession) …and forms NO alternative to – is simple. IWC is omnicidal and exponentially hyper-destructive, cannibalising even the life commons – a fatal contradiction that will not only nihilate IWC itself …but may well nihilate life on earth. At the very least, it will make surviving the 21st century challenging. A challenge we will bequeath… Read more »

Maggie
Maggie
Apr 20, 2019 11:15 AM
Reply to  BigB

FOR CHRIST’S SAKE!
Does ”anyone” read the crap that BigB spews and UNDERSTAND the verbal diahrea…. without balking and reaching for the ‘rusty penknife.’
He (BigB) is a major part of WHY people can’t get their heads round what is happening in the world, by continuing to blind people with their pseudo intelligence…

Andre Vlchek’s article is FANTASTIC and explains succinctly what the problem is with the WEST’s obsession with the EAST. and why we should get off the West’s head spinning merry-go-round (narrative and lies) and begin seeing and thinking for ourselves.
Well done ‘again’ Andre.

crank
crank
Apr 20, 2019 11:47 AM
Reply to  Maggie

I understand and agree with BigB on these points, and commend the way he goes to the trouble of substantiating his arguments with the appropriate links for further reading.
Some of the language is overly dense I would say, but its making a fairly well established point : industrial capitalism is fundamentally reliant on fossil fuel economies. China is too, to the extent of its entanglement in the global capitalist system. China is an intrinsic part of the system which is killing life on Earth.
If you disagree with this then argue the point, not the man, why don’t you?

Stonky
Stonky
Apr 21, 2019 4:19 PM
Reply to  crank

I understand and agree with BigB on these points, and commend the way he goes to the trouble of substantiating his arguments …Some of the language is overly dense I would say.. Well that would be putting it mildly… but its making a fairly well established point : industrial capitalism is fundamentally reliant on fossil fuel economies… That is the point. That’s all he’s saying. It’s a perfectly simple argument. So why the eff dos he have to devote several hundred words of unintelligible jargon and bullshit to making his simple point? Why can’t he just state it in simple terms as you have just done? If you disagree with this then argue the point, not the man, why don’t you? She is arguing a point. She’s not the only one that is starting to get a bit tired of BigG cluttering up every thread on OffG with his screeds… Read more »

Maggie
Maggie
Apr 21, 2019 7:35 PM
Reply to  Stonky

Thank you Stonky. I was beginning to think I needed to go and learn this genre of the English language, because it bears no resemblance to anything I have ever learned or read in my life before. And I can assure you I am extremely well read.. Initially I tried to pick out the words that made sense and arrange them into some sort of understandable sentence or phrase, but I have given up. I don’t want to ignore or be rude to anyone if I can help it. Everyone who comes to OffG, comes for a purpose.. to read the truth the MSM is forbidden to tell us, and learn. It isn’t as if I haven’t appealed to him before, to simplify.. but he doesn’t know the meaning of that word. As you say BigB will be putting hoards of people off with his incessant verbiage.. I have reached… Read more »

Stonky
Stonky
Apr 22, 2019 5:57 AM
Reply to  Maggie

I have reached the conclusion that this could well be his purpose???

I really hate to see this kind of accusation thrown around – it reminds me too much of the Putintroll! Putinbots! that are constantly being chucked around by commenters on paragons of progressive thinking like the Gruaniad and The Indepeachment.

But to be honest, in the case of BigB I am starting to wonder the same as you.

BigB
BigB
Apr 22, 2019 12:09 PM
Reply to  Stonky

Stonky; Maggie: The last thing I want to indulge in is a flame war: but I am inclined toward saying fuck you. Not least because I have ignored your negative rhetoric before and attempted to engage with both of you on a personal level on several separate occasions. I have just finished an considerate reply to you, Stonky, above. Then I read this. And Maggie: I have written long explanations, in plain language, to you on several occasions. I even apologised to you below. So would my arguments be more persuasive or even acceptable to you if I made more accusations against the Jews? Fair enough question given your likes above. I stand against all forms of racism wherever they appear. If “written in a manner that All can understand and NONE are excluded” implies crypto-racism – then I do not seek or want your approval. When people enter into… Read more »

BigB
BigB
Apr 20, 2019 12:02 PM
Reply to  Maggie

What part of capitalism is killing us is so hard to understand? Capitalism is not hemispheric – but globally distributed. How is that so difficult to contemplate? What part of Chinese neoliberalism is so hard to grapple with? Calling it ‘communist’ does not change its characteristics, it merely creates a false impression of doing so. David Harvey is a far better categoriser of neoliberalism than Andre. What part of massively overexpansionist, overconsuming, debt-ridden, planet-destroying, anti-ecological super-predator gets to qualify as an Ecological Civilisation? Because someone who cannot even contemplate what that term might mean says so? So you can maybe feel safe in your own pretension a little longer? And what gives you the right to judge me? Or condemn me for trying to contribute to an awareness beyond the pseudo-descriptions of crypto-capitalist dreamers? Not least because I have invested a fair bit of time explaining my position to you… Read more »

BigB
BigB
Apr 20, 2019 1:29 PM
Reply to  Maggie

Maggie

I apologise if my tone is somewhat erratic today. I’m suffering from viral bronchitis: and not at all enjoying the Easter break as I should. I’ve also read so much shite this week, endorsing ‘Boaty McBoarface’s’ propaganda piece to camera this week. And, since when does an authentic grassroots ‘rebellion’ get to advertise its intervention on the six and nine o’clock news the night before? It doesn’t. However ‘pseudo-intellectual’ it may seem to you, what I am saying is sincere. If we cannot discern the right from the wrong kind of green (to appropriate one of Cory’s phrases): we’re stuffed. And I did post a six part series to back up what I said. And …I’m sorry. Old age and bronchitis are making me cranky.

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins
Apr 20, 2019 3:07 PM
Reply to  Maggie

Yes & Yes, Maggie and it’s not crap, I assure you: within half a second of reading the line that BigB highlights, I already knew instinctively without checking, that BigB would be responding to that, (on my behalf as well, LOL 😉 ) as I continued to read further… In fact, I was so 100% sure that BigB would be pouncing on Vitchek’s choice of words, I started to laugh at myself too and had to consciously re-focus on the content & points of André, which are also valid points in many many ways, however, Vitchek’s “Fantastic” article can be considered at best, Social Science & perceptions post IWC propaganda, but nothing to do with the Physics & Chemistry of a sustainable Biosphere & future existence. Apparently, Dr. David Kelly did himself in with a rusty pen knife . . . 😉 now that beggars belief and gets me all… Read more »

crank
crank
Apr 20, 2019 1:54 PM
Reply to  BigB

Cory tweets a suspicion that I share : that the XR occupation is more ‘spectacle’ than ‘protest’.
The police behave quite differently in other public order situations as we all know. The Met ‘ask for re-inforcements’ through the BBC, strange.
The rebels themselves seem mostly naive liberals, quite right (in my opinion) about the problem, but ignorant and deluded about what they are really demanding in terms of solutions. Are they, and we all, being herded into an orchestrated ‘crisis point’ where Mark Carney or some such capitalist missionary will step forward with ‘a solution’. ? So it seems.

BigB
BigB
Apr 20, 2019 3:01 PM
Reply to  crank

I went up to London for a few hours earlier this week. I have mixed emotions about the whole thing. First impression: there were a whole bunch of young people …and a whole bunch of old people (57++) and sweet FA in between. OK, it was workday, but I was expecting more of an even demographic spread. So I spoke to some folk – genuine as hell. I voiced my ‘astroturf’ concerns and a few agreed. But so what: governments really are in the capitalised business of doing nothing. So here is another contradiction: If Soros or someone is behind this, and the Open Society and George Monbiot backing is a big clue – not everyone is the “wrong shade of green”? Some are most definitely the right shade of green (and black), and more militant than I ever was. Could it swing the right way? I don’t know, but… Read more »

right to left (@rlmcr57)
right to left (@rlmcr57)
Apr 20, 2019 6:30 PM
Reply to  BigB

I’ve been a fan of Cory Morningstar for a long time now…ever since I realized there was something wrong in the message or the strategies of popular eco-warriors like Bill McKibben, who with his 350.org marches and gatherings were just exercises in doing nothing! I started suspecting that he was just being paid to waste our time while Exxon and the other harvesters of this world work their magic and make profits! Even so called “green” energy solutions aren’t green if we consider the amounts of rare earth minerals and other energy-intensive inputs needed to produce “green” products! The uncompromising and ignored Australian ecologist – Ozzie Zehner was the first critic I noticed who presented the message that there was no way to make capitalism eco-friendly…even with nice new solar panels and windmills. http://www.greenillusions.org/ But, right now, the main obstruction to transitioning away from oil is because oil companies, developers… Read more »

BigB
BigB
Apr 21, 2019 8:17 AM

R2L Right now, the biggest obstacle to evolutionary paradigmatic transition is the human mind …locked as it it into collectively hallucinated mirages of techno-theological progress and prosperity. Dreams that have accumulated in the Petroleum Interval that keep the illusion patent – despite the growing evidence to the contrary. There will be a techno-fix – negative emissions tech or direct air capture and sequestration – that will make oil burnable …forever. In no insignificant way – modern man is effectively “oleum ergo sum” – a paleo-fossilised artefact of cheap oil. The fact that oil is depletable is ignored. The fact that oil is entropic – as quantifiable with EROI – is ignored. Let’s burn, baby, burn! The effect of burning oil on the economy, is NEVER discussed. You might have missed the Bardi paper I linked to. The cost of all those future techno-fixes – which may fail at scale –… Read more »

Francis Lee
Francis Lee
Apr 20, 2019 8:43 AM

In my own country – the UK – I see the population walking around gazing into their ‘smart’ phones. Dumb phones might be a better description. I often wonder what they are looking at or listening to. They always remind me of the semi-comatose creatures in Huxley’s ‘Brave New World’ or H.G.Wells’ hopeless Elois in the ‘Time Machine’. Apparently these silly little gadgets are what we in the West aspire to and apparently now what the Eurasian civilization now thinks worthy of pursuit. Consumption is the new religion and is based on the notion that economic growth can continue forever. It is a global ponzi scheme, quite simply because infinite growth is not possible in a world of finite resources; flat fact I am afraid. But I suppose that’s China’s business. I would add that the Gini coefficient of the US, China and Russia is about the same. The Gini… Read more »

Francis Lee
Francis Lee
Apr 20, 2019 9:03 AM
Reply to  Francis Lee

3. Does the United States, EU and NATO have a right to rule the world and threaten bomb and intimidate sovereign states. Answer a resounding yes.

Whoops. I meant a resounding NO!

Maggie
Maggie
Apr 20, 2019 11:24 AM
Reply to  Francis Lee

Exactly, as you say, we are hurtling into the realms of ”Brave New World” It used to be Homosexuality, but now Kids are positively being encouraged to become Transgender, and in doing so will become sterile…
Within 20 years the sperm of the ”elite” will have been harvested, Ai will be in control, and the deal will be done.
Thank God I will not be around to see it.
Have a nice day, the sun is shining and life is so good. Make the most of it….

BigB
BigB
Apr 20, 2019 11:40 AM
Reply to  Francis Lee

Fancis A Gini Coefficient, and Human Development Index that can be linked to entropy – measured as EROI – to give a ‘Lambert Energy Index’. This – along with EROIsoc – is an indication of deflationary standards. And to me, a prime indicator of the how the state – aligned with IWC as an inverted totalitarianism – will reflexively react. Not well. Now there never be open fascism on the streets – but that is due to the consciousness of sheep – accepting the fascism of the mind, identity theft, and state colonisation of society. A sort of capitalised Thatcherite Invasion of the Body Snatchers B-movie Britain. 40 years in the making: but only now becoming apparent. That apparency is being met, unrealistically – by demands for distributive justice; legitimacy of reward; a return to the general Will; and return to socialisation. In other words: the general populace want to… Read more »

Willem
Willem
Apr 20, 2019 7:11 AM

I have a friend, he still is a friend although I haven’t seen him for years. Years ago we had a discussion. I didn’t know then about the white man’s burden, also had not read Twain’s To the person sitting in darkness. We were talking about out future job, didn’t know what to do a the time, and my friend said that he wanted to be a missionary in Africa: teaching the Africans what to do. My friend meant will, but was quite angry with me when I said that that was comparable with colonialism: why should Africans be helped by us? What makes us so good. I don’t know how that discussion ended, I forgot, but we did not come to an agreement. Years later I am very happy that I already had the wisdom that the author of this article is expressing here If you have not read… Read more »

Willem
Willem
Apr 20, 2019 7:12 AM
Reply to  Willem

With apologies for the typos..

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins
Apr 20, 2019 11:39 AM
Reply to  Willem

No apologies required: sometimes the odd deliberate mistake is even a useful written ‘tool’, as trappings, to capture the pointless pedant’s attention: along the lines of, gotta’ give a dog a bone and enough rope to hang themselves.

Good comment by the way, Willem: certainly not double Dutch, which (I’m speculating) would seem to be your mother tongue: please correct me if i’m wrong.

crank
crank
Apr 20, 2019 7:09 AM

I thought we’d moved beyond ‘my rival’s rival is my friend’.
There is plenty about China that is grounds for valid criticism. Exploding inequality, political repression, increasing militarism, pollution and the inescapable destruction of nature that comes with an over-industrialised society.
Western imperialism should remain the critical focus, but take off the rose tinted spectacles when looking around the world.

Stephen Morrell
Stephen Morrell
Apr 20, 2019 7:05 AM

The author has a point: why should anyone in the post-capitalist societies live at levels lower than in capitalist countries. Marxists, as opposed to pseudo- or new-leftists, pseudo-Marxists or chardonnay socialists or other ‘moral superiors’, Greens, etc, have always advocated levelling upwards not downward. In short, genuine Marxists say: ‘nothing is too good for the working class’. A sign that socialism has been reached is that labour productivity and standards of living exceed those in the most advanced capitalist country by a wide margin. While on this ground socialism hasn’t been achieved in any post-capitalist society, the advantages of a socialised economy subject to at least some level of planning nonetheless are plain enough: on most socioeconomic indicators China outstrips India, Cuba most Caribbean countries, Viet Nam Myanmar or Indonesia, and so on. These countries also show that socialism can’t be built in just one country, that it requires an… Read more »

dhfabian
dhfabian
Apr 20, 2019 2:37 AM

Come to the US and take some time to talk with our “surplus population,” those who aren’t of current use to employers, and have therefore been stripped of the basic human rights (UN’s UDHR) to food and shelter. These are the people who see America without its mask on. They are the canaries in the capitalist coalmine. This is the issue that defines today’s US. You won’t find mention of them in our liberal media.

Refraktor
Refraktor
Apr 20, 2019 12:23 AM

But China is a horrible authoritarian place where you get locked up for speaking your mind while unwanted infants float freely down the Yangtze. Who cares that they are wasting money on ridiculous shoes.

Savorywill
Savorywill
Apr 20, 2019 12:45 AM
Reply to  Refraktor

That is an absurd description of China. Do you really think there aren’t many ‘unwanted infants’ in so-called non-‘authoritarian’ places like France, England or the USA? Those may not end up floating down the Yangtze, but are aborted in the hospitals and discreetly disposed of. You mention getting locked for ‘speaking your mind’, but if someone tries denying the Holocaust in western countries, they can also locked up for that. There are all kinds of proscribed behavior in every country, not just in China!

dhfabian
dhfabian
Apr 20, 2019 2:43 AM
Reply to  Savorywill

Where has anyone been locked up for saying the Holocaust didn’t happen? There are people why appear on television insisting that the moon landing was a hoax, that the Mafia controlled the Kennedy administration, and that Elvis is alive and lounging beside a pool in Las Vegas.

Willem
Willem
Apr 20, 2019 7:19 AM
Reply to  dhfabian

There is this person, he is called Julian Assange: he spoke truth to power. Showed them that they are war criminals and frauds. Now he is locked up. Then there is also Chelsea Manning, etc, so there is your freedom of speech in the free world.

John A
John A
Apr 20, 2019 9:08 AM
Reply to  dhfabian

In France and Germany for a start.

Maggie
Maggie
Apr 21, 2019 11:47 AM
Reply to  John A

Time we all stood up and identified with Sparticus to dispel the lies. Germany, before World War II, had a Jewish population of somewhere around 50,000 people, which begs the question why, in a nation of 60+million people, Germans would have been so fixated on this fabricated Jewish threat. ”Many Jews from Eastern Europe were the first emigrees to Israel before and after the war.” It was the American Jews who declared war on Germany, resulting in crippling sanctions, which resulted in dire consequences for everyone… the German population, Jews and Soldiers alike were all starving. The Haavara Agreement -The German government reacted to appease them by encouraging prominent Jews to emigrate to Palestine …The agreement offered a way to leave an increasingly hostile environment in Germany and enabled wealthier Jews fleeing persecution under the new Nazi regime to transfer some portion of their assets to British Mandatory Palestine. Emigrants… Read more »

Maggie
Maggie
Apr 21, 2019 11:53 AM
Reply to  Maggie

Omitted to post the links:

Jews declared war on Germany.
https://redice.tv/news/6-million-lies

6 million fairy tales;
https://6millionfairytale.wordpress.com/tag/6-million-lies/

AnneR
AnneR
Apr 20, 2019 3:15 PM
Reply to  dhfabian

Locked up for Holocaust denial – I don’t know. But apparently in many states within the US (even as Congress itself debates a Bill on the same) it is necessary to sign in essence a Loyalty Oath to Israel in order to obtain work, certainly for state agencies, perhaps also for private companies. So frequently one hears (I only listen to the radio: BBC World Service & NPR – both state media and shills for their respective governments and establishment-corporate-capitalist-imperialist overlords) about the iniquities, the horrors of Chinese, Russian and Iranian oppression, repression and imprisonment. Nary a word about, for example only: the horrors of US imprisonment (the psychological torture of solitary confinement, the accompanying brutality of the prison workers, the forced labor [slavery] within the prison walls for multi-million corporations), Guantanamo (no longer on their horizons), US detention without trial (the recent case, for instance, of Marziah Hashemi); the… Read more »

Seamus Padraig
Seamus Padraig
Apr 20, 2019 7:02 PM
Reply to  dhfabian

Where has anyone been locked up for saying the Holocaust didn’t happen?

Where? In Europe. There several people have been jailed/imprisoned for the crime of ‘holocaust denial’. A partial list would include: Ursula Haverbeck, Monika Schäffer, David Irving, Ernst Zündel. To be sure, their preferred technique is to ‘deplatform’ holocaust-deniers instead, normally by contriving to get them fired from their jobs, etc. But there are indeed several countries in the EU that actually have statutes on their books authorizing incarceration for denial.

And as commenter ‘AnneR’ pointed out, there are now several US states that force people seeking government jobs to sign a loyalty oath foreswearing their First Amendment right to advocate BDS as a condition of employment.