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		By: mark		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 May 2019 21:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://off-guardian.org/2019/05/21/the-disinformationists/#comment-79419&quot;&gt;Loverat&lt;/a&gt;.

Sounds great. The CIA now has a woman Torturer-In- Chief. How progressive and right on is that?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://off-guardian.org/2019/05/21/the-disinformationists/#comment-79419">Loverat</a>.</p>
<p>Sounds great. The CIA now has a woman Torturer-In- Chief. How progressive and right on is that?</p>
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		By: Gezzah Potts		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2019 22:31:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://off-guardian.org/2019/05/21/the-disinformationists/#comment-79460&quot;&gt;Gezzah Potts&lt;/a&gt;.

Postscript: forgot to mention Judy, told my friend a week ago about the leaked OPCW report that Douma was staged, and to check the story on Moon Of Alabama and here. The only reply has been complete silence. There&#039;s nothing to say despite him being adamant Douma was real last year.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://off-guardian.org/2019/05/21/the-disinformationists/#comment-79460">Gezzah Potts</a>.</p>
<p>Postscript: forgot to mention Judy, told my friend a week ago about the leaked OPCW report that Douma was staged, and to check the story on Moon Of Alabama and here. The only reply has been complete silence. There&#8217;s nothing to say despite him being adamant Douma was real last year.</p>
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		By: Gezzah Potts		</title>
		<link>https://off-guardian.org/2019/05/21/the-disinformationists/#comment-79460</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gezzah Potts]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2019 21:03:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://off-guardian.org/2019/05/21/the-disinformationists/#comment-79454&quot;&gt;JudyJ&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks Judy.... Same. Its sad, aye. I&#039;ve even given names of websites like here, Moon Of Alabama, Neoliberalism Softpanorama, The Greanville Post, etc to some of my customers (I sell The Big Issue street mag) who I felt were more &#039;enlightened&#039; about the World than most of my other customers, 2-3 weeks later would ask if they&#039;d looked at those sites, and, no....&quot;too busy&quot; &quot;I&#039;ll check them out sometime&quot; &quot;maybe look one day&quot;... I have a left wing friend who was adamant Douma was real, and when I told him too check out Vanessa Beeley and Eva Bartlett, he got back to me claiming they were stooges of Assad, and too friendly towards him! What can you do? Other friends, I realised few years ago it was absolutely pointless, espec when I got strongly worded replies: &quot;Capitalism&#039;s been very good too us, we fully support liberal democracy&quot;. The full spectrum propaganda of msm at its very finest (sarcasm). Thanks Judy]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://off-guardian.org/2019/05/21/the-disinformationists/#comment-79454">JudyJ</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks Judy&#8230;. Same. Its sad, aye. I&#8217;ve even given names of websites like here, Moon Of Alabama, Neoliberalism Softpanorama, The Greanville Post, etc to some of my customers (I sell The Big Issue street mag) who I felt were more &#8216;enlightened&#8217; about the World than most of my other customers, 2-3 weeks later would ask if they&#8217;d looked at those sites, and, no&#8230;.&#8221;too busy&#8221; &#8220;I&#8217;ll check them out sometime&#8221; &#8220;maybe look one day&#8221;&#8230; I have a left wing friend who was adamant Douma was real, and when I told him too check out Vanessa Beeley and Eva Bartlett, he got back to me claiming they were stooges of Assad, and too friendly towards him! What can you do? Other friends, I realised few years ago it was absolutely pointless, espec when I got strongly worded replies: &#8220;Capitalism&#8217;s been very good too us, we fully support liberal democracy&#8221;. The full spectrum propaganda of msm at its very finest (sarcasm). Thanks Judy</p>
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		By: TheThinker		</title>
		<link>https://off-guardian.org/2019/05/21/the-disinformationists/#comment-79459</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2019 20:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://off-guardian.org/2019/05/21/the-disinformationists/#comment-79452&quot;&gt;Laurence Howell&lt;/a&gt;.

Hello Laurence, RE: Dunblane, I’ve read a lot about over the last few years and the inconsistencies and witness testimonies which did not add up.  To my mind and reading, this horrific event happened to cover up something far more sinister.  I share in your hope, that terrible event, is truthfully investigated in our lifetime, to bring some truth to the people who were effected and lost loved ones.  Sealed for 100 years, yup, so anyone who has any real inkling of happened there that day is long gone when the truth outs..]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://off-guardian.org/2019/05/21/the-disinformationists/#comment-79452">Laurence Howell</a>.</p>
<p>Hello Laurence, RE: Dunblane, I’ve read a lot about over the last few years and the inconsistencies and witness testimonies which did not add up.  To my mind and reading, this horrific event happened to cover up something far more sinister.  I share in your hope, that terrible event, is truthfully investigated in our lifetime, to bring some truth to the people who were effected and lost loved ones.  Sealed for 100 years, yup, so anyone who has any real inkling of happened there that day is long gone when the truth outs..</p>
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		By: binra		</title>
		<link>https://off-guardian.org/2019/05/21/the-disinformationists/#comment-79457</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2019 20:00:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://off-guardian.org/2019/05/21/the-disinformationists/#comment-79430&quot;&gt;Ramdan&lt;/a&gt;.

Your personal investment in me/you being right/wrong IS entanglement. 
You illustrate the very thing you THINK to criticise in others, AS IF you are the exceptional or elite exception.
I am not making a personal claim nor seeking to divert the issues into the personal &#039;attack or invalidation&#039; of the other.
I am more interested to show how that very device operates an insanely entangled human nightmare.

I am interested in the issues - and as you raised the issue of entanglement, I joined with you in looking at it.

The entanglement in self as a defence against reality, &#039;sees&#039; threat everywhere.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://off-guardian.org/2019/05/21/the-disinformationists/#comment-79430">Ramdan</a>.</p>
<p>Your personal investment in me/you being right/wrong IS entanglement.<br />
You illustrate the very thing you THINK to criticise in others, AS IF you are the exceptional or elite exception.<br />
I am not making a personal claim nor seeking to divert the issues into the personal &#8216;attack or invalidation&#8217; of the other.<br />
I am more interested to show how that very device operates an insanely entangled human nightmare.</p>
<p>I am interested in the issues &#8211; and as you raised the issue of entanglement, I joined with you in looking at it.</p>
<p>The entanglement in self as a defence against reality, &#8216;sees&#8217; threat everywhere.</p>
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		By: JudyJ		</title>
		<link>https://off-guardian.org/2019/05/21/the-disinformationists/#comment-79454</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2019 15:11:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://off-guardian.org/2019/05/21/the-disinformationists/#comment-79446&quot;&gt;Gezzah Potts&lt;/a&gt;.

Gezzah - so right as always.

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;And you&#039;re right - we can&#039;t change others, or make others &#039;see&#039;.  Only they can open their eyes&quot;.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I have done my utmost to provide a friend of mine with reason to delve into the whole issue of corrupt and negligent behaviour within the ranks of western governments and the msm.     I sent him a copy of emails I sent to my local MP about Julian Assange and the latest OPCW scandal.  These emails provided links to the relevant Off-Guardian articles.   

 My friend genuinely thinks of himself as a caring and compassionate person.  I hoped my approach might prompt him to take an interest and hopefully spread the word.    I also sent him the Peter Hitchens&#039; blog article in the hope that might be enough to make him sit up and take note. 

After four days I received a brief reply from him thanking me for the information.  He said that he didn&#039;t know enough about the Assange/US situation to comment but thought &quot;he ought at least to be prepared to go to Sweden to answer the rape charges&quot;.  And with regard to Syria and the OPCW,  &quot;[he didn&#039;t] know enough about these subjects to give me [his] comments&quot;.   

 This response confirmed what I suspected, knowing that my friend is a lifelong Guardian devotee.   In his world, no events are of any significance if they haven&#039;t been featured or endorsed by the Guardian.  He probably spent the four days  after receiving my email pouring over the Guardian seeing what they had to say.  Because there was nothing along the lines of what I had raised then I &#039;was obviously exaggerating or completely misreading the situation&#039;.   I deduced he hadn&#039;t even bothered to link to the articles I&#039;d enclosed.

 18 months ago I suggested he look at the work of Vanessa Beeley and Eva Bartlett to see their evidence about the White Helmets, and I gave him links. He replied then that the Guardian said that they were complete phonies and bloggers lacking any credibility, so he wasn&#039;t inclined to take seriously anything these &quot;two strange women&quot; (my friend&#039;s words) might say. 

Sadly, the reply from my friend closed with a comment that he was too busy with distributing leaflets for the Liberal Democrats and the Green Party to consider the matters I had raised in any more depth; in other words, politely telling me not to bother him with my conspiracy theories again.   I started to draft a reply to facetiously make the observation that, when WW3 breaks out over lies, &#039;Brexit&#039; will be the least of his worries.  As well as to point out that as a &#039;caring and compassionate&#039; person he might be well advised to look into matters that could continue to needlessly result in the  deaths of many, many more innocent people i.e. call him out on his bullsh*t.  But I didn&#039;t finish the draft because it occurred to me I really was wasting my time.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://off-guardian.org/2019/05/21/the-disinformationists/#comment-79446">Gezzah Potts</a>.</p>
<p>Gezzah &#8211; so right as always.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;And you&#8217;re right &#8211; we can&#8217;t change others, or make others &#8216;see&#8217;.  Only they can open their eyes&#8221;.</p></blockquote>
<p>I have done my utmost to provide a friend of mine with reason to delve into the whole issue of corrupt and negligent behaviour within the ranks of western governments and the msm.     I sent him a copy of emails I sent to my local MP about Julian Assange and the latest OPCW scandal.  These emails provided links to the relevant Off-Guardian articles.   </p>
<p> My friend genuinely thinks of himself as a caring and compassionate person.  I hoped my approach might prompt him to take an interest and hopefully spread the word.    I also sent him the Peter Hitchens&#8217; blog article in the hope that might be enough to make him sit up and take note. </p>
<p>After four days I received a brief reply from him thanking me for the information.  He said that he didn&#8217;t know enough about the Assange/US situation to comment but thought &#8220;he ought at least to be prepared to go to Sweden to answer the rape charges&#8221;.  And with regard to Syria and the OPCW,  &#8220;[he didn&#8217;t] know enough about these subjects to give me [his] comments&#8221;.   </p>
<p> This response confirmed what I suspected, knowing that my friend is a lifelong Guardian devotee.   In his world, no events are of any significance if they haven&#8217;t been featured or endorsed by the Guardian.  He probably spent the four days  after receiving my email pouring over the Guardian seeing what they had to say.  Because there was nothing along the lines of what I had raised then I &#8216;was obviously exaggerating or completely misreading the situation&#8217;.   I deduced he hadn&#8217;t even bothered to link to the articles I&#8217;d enclosed.</p>
<p> 18 months ago I suggested he look at the work of Vanessa Beeley and Eva Bartlett to see their evidence about the White Helmets, and I gave him links. He replied then that the Guardian said that they were complete phonies and bloggers lacking any credibility, so he wasn&#8217;t inclined to take seriously anything these &#8220;two strange women&#8221; (my friend&#8217;s words) might say. </p>
<p>Sadly, the reply from my friend closed with a comment that he was too busy with distributing leaflets for the Liberal Democrats and the Green Party to consider the matters I had raised in any more depth; in other words, politely telling me not to bother him with my conspiracy theories again.   I started to draft a reply to facetiously make the observation that, when WW3 breaks out over lies, &#8216;Brexit&#8217; will be the least of his worries.  As well as to point out that as a &#8216;caring and compassionate&#8217; person he might be well advised to look into matters that could continue to needlessly result in the  deaths of many, many more innocent people i.e. call him out on his bullsh*t.  But I didn&#8217;t finish the draft because it occurred to me I really was wasting my time.</p>
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		By: Laurence Howell		</title>
		<link>https://off-guardian.org/2019/05/21/the-disinformationists/#comment-79452</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2019 12:03:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Geo-Politics is about the suppression of  freedom of speech. The Tavistock Institute and Edward Bernays have a lot to answer for. As President Trump has claimed many times fake news is the enemy of the  people and so it is. By inserting fake news stories into the media circus of wholly owned MSM outlets, control of the narrative is achieved and political discourse stifled.

Our right to freedom of speech is the right that all other rights are constructed upon. Take away our right to complain based on accurate information and all else falls into feudal anarchy. Unbiased, truthful reporting is not something that is allowed as a matter of right to the people but rationed by faceless bureaucrats and State Secret Security Actors protecting their piece of the turf war.

The BBC has been outed as a paedophile&#039;s playground and yet the Director General in charge of the enquiry is sent to the US as Editor of the New York Times. Q the investigators.

The seminal fake news moment came when the orchestrated delivery of miss-information reached its zenith with the 911 crime against humanity. The blame game started with Bin Laden when in truth elements of the US government led by Dick Cheney[&quot;It is easy to take liberty for granted, when you have never had it taken from you&quot;] in concert with Mossad[&quot;Wage war by deception&quot;] controlled by MI6 and its own delivery system the BBC were the real culprits.

Fake news and false flag attacks end with the absurd notion that it is so dangerous to view the New Zealand mosque shooting video [showing CGI effects] that the penalty is 10 years jailtime if you send this aberration to someone else. This is the over-reaction made by this &quot;five eyes&quot; government in the immediate aftermath of the mosque shooting. This zealous protection of the video contents should alert us all to the danger of suppression of our most basic right &quot;freedom of speech&quot;.

If you want to know who governs over you find out who you are not allowed to criticise. Voltaire.

From Charlie Hebdo to Christchurch the agenda of false and miss-leading information  gathers pace. Everything must be done to ensure the people do not find out the truth of these state sponsored crimes controlled by the Illuminati and their bagmen, the elite Freemasons. Politics is undergoing a sea change in the UK and it is to be hoped that a fresh government can open up the truth of the Dunblane  massacre[sealed for 100 years] and other agendas designed to take away our rights and freedom of speech. Over to you Nigel.....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geo-Politics is about the suppression of  freedom of speech. The Tavistock Institute and Edward Bernays have a lot to answer for. As President Trump has claimed many times fake news is the enemy of the  people and so it is. By inserting fake news stories into the media circus of wholly owned MSM outlets, control of the narrative is achieved and political discourse stifled.</p>
<p>Our right to freedom of speech is the right that all other rights are constructed upon. Take away our right to complain based on accurate information and all else falls into feudal anarchy. Unbiased, truthful reporting is not something that is allowed as a matter of right to the people but rationed by faceless bureaucrats and State Secret Security Actors protecting their piece of the turf war.</p>
<p>The BBC has been outed as a paedophile&#8217;s playground and yet the Director General in charge of the enquiry is sent to the US as Editor of the New York Times. Q the investigators.</p>
<p>The seminal fake news moment came when the orchestrated delivery of miss-information reached its zenith with the 911 crime against humanity. The blame game started with Bin Laden when in truth elements of the US government led by Dick Cheney[&#8220;It is easy to take liberty for granted, when you have never had it taken from you&#8221;] in concert with Mossad[&#8220;Wage war by deception&#8221;] controlled by MI6 and its own delivery system the BBC were the real culprits.</p>
<p>Fake news and false flag attacks end with the absurd notion that it is so dangerous to view the New Zealand mosque shooting video [showing CGI effects] that the penalty is 10 years jailtime if you send this aberration to someone else. This is the over-reaction made by this &#8220;five eyes&#8221; government in the immediate aftermath of the mosque shooting. This zealous protection of the video contents should alert us all to the danger of suppression of our most basic right &#8220;freedom of speech&#8221;.</p>
<p>If you want to know who governs over you find out who you are not allowed to criticise. Voltaire.</p>
<p>From Charlie Hebdo to Christchurch the agenda of false and miss-leading information  gathers pace. Everything must be done to ensure the people do not find out the truth of these state sponsored crimes controlled by the Illuminati and their bagmen, the elite Freemasons. Politics is undergoing a sea change in the UK and it is to be hoped that a fresh government can open up the truth of the Dunblane  massacre[sealed for 100 years] and other agendas designed to take away our rights and freedom of speech. Over to you Nigel&#8230;..</p>
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		By: Rhys Jaggar		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2019 10:18:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mr Putin&#039;s bot brigade is educating me about which women I can get a hard-on for. They are not allowed to have sex before marriage, that is for sure. They all think Mr Putin is a reincarnation of Stalin, pauperising every Russian outside Moscow and St Petersburg so brutally that they all vote for him whereas the rich beneficiaries of Mr Putin&#039;s wealth redistribution hate his guts so much that they want a return to 1991. It is the new voting paradigm in Putin&#039;s Russia: being a slutty submissive who votes for the Big Daddy who hits her wallet then f**ks her dignity.

You know the sort of thing: vote for the guys who organised 9/11 and crucify some guy who publicised some leaks. 

Now did I not learn about this sort of thing at Sunday School? You know, spare the robbers but gook the discombobulator of Doublespeak? Strange that US churches are so strong on the theory but are still letting it happen 2000 years later in practice....

Funny thing about Mr Putins bots: their cybersecurity is so useless that NATO dumbos can hack their every move.

A ruthless intelligence chief like Mr Putin would get rather stern with useless cybersieves leaking more than Don Rumsfeld.

The fact that nothing ever changes does suggest Mr Putin is not the problem.

Dumb Mr Putin would have been overthrown years ago if he was that dumb.

Unless of course that Bolton et al could not organise a hookers convention on the Strip in Las Vegas....


That is of course a propaganda line for Mr Putin to take when brainwashing his own people of course....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Putin&#8217;s bot brigade is educating me about which women I can get a hard-on for. They are not allowed to have sex before marriage, that is for sure. They all think Mr Putin is a reincarnation of Stalin, pauperising every Russian outside Moscow and St Petersburg so brutally that they all vote for him whereas the rich beneficiaries of Mr Putin&#8217;s wealth redistribution hate his guts so much that they want a return to 1991. It is the new voting paradigm in Putin&#8217;s Russia: being a slutty submissive who votes for the Big Daddy who hits her wallet then f**ks her dignity.</p>
<p>You know the sort of thing: vote for the guys who organised 9/11 and crucify some guy who publicised some leaks. </p>
<p>Now did I not learn about this sort of thing at Sunday School? You know, spare the robbers but gook the discombobulator of Doublespeak? Strange that US churches are so strong on the theory but are still letting it happen 2000 years later in practice&#8230;.</p>
<p>Funny thing about Mr Putins bots: their cybersecurity is so useless that NATO dumbos can hack their every move.</p>
<p>A ruthless intelligence chief like Mr Putin would get rather stern with useless cybersieves leaking more than Don Rumsfeld.</p>
<p>The fact that nothing ever changes does suggest Mr Putin is not the problem.</p>
<p>Dumb Mr Putin would have been overthrown years ago if he was that dumb.</p>
<p>Unless of course that Bolton et al could not organise a hookers convention on the Strip in Las Vegas&#8230;.</p>
<p>That is of course a propaganda line for Mr Putin to take when brainwashing his own people of course&#8230;.</p>
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		By: Gezzah Potts		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2019 10:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://off-guardian.org/2019/05/21/the-disinformationists/#comment-79411&quot;&gt;Ramdan&lt;/a&gt;.

I come to OffGuardian as an &#039;oasis of sanity&#039; as well Ramdan, as well as a few other sites like Moon Of Alabama, Caitlin Johnston, The Saker, etc. It helps to know that others see what we see, and feel similar about the state of the world, about the state of society. I think I would&#039;ve gone stark raving bonkers a while ago without sites like this to vent on and share with other like minded fellow travelers. If others think that&#039;s sad, then sobeit. And you&#039;re right - we can&#039;t change others, or make others &#039;see&#039;. Only they can open their eyes.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://off-guardian.org/2019/05/21/the-disinformationists/#comment-79411">Ramdan</a>.</p>
<p>I come to OffGuardian as an &#8216;oasis of sanity&#8217; as well Ramdan, as well as a few other sites like Moon Of Alabama, Caitlin Johnston, The Saker, etc. It helps to know that others see what we see, and feel similar about the state of the world, about the state of society. I think I would&#8217;ve gone stark raving bonkers a while ago without sites like this to vent on and share with other like minded fellow travelers. If others think that&#8217;s sad, then sobeit. And you&#8217;re right &#8211; we can&#8217;t change others, or make others &#8216;see&#8217;. Only they can open their eyes.</p>
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