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		By: Philip Watson		</title>
		<link>https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/07/douma-incident-and-forensic-architecture-the-emails/#comment-129910</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Philip Watson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2020 03:07:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi guys, many thanks for the feedback, positive and otherwise.  All points have been noted and I will endeavour to improve on the presentation of my investigations in the future.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi guys, many thanks for the feedback, positive and otherwise.  All points have been noted and I will endeavour to improve on the presentation of my investigations in the future.</p>
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		By: Philip Watson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Philip Watson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2020 03:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/07/douma-incident-and-forensic-architecture-the-emails/#comment-124609&quot;&gt;Loverat&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks for the kind comment.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/07/douma-incident-and-forensic-architecture-the-emails/#comment-124609">Loverat</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks for the kind comment.</p>
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		By: Philip Watson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Philip Watson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2020 03:04:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/07/douma-incident-and-forensic-architecture-the-emails/#comment-124780&quot;&gt;Loverat&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;But the point of the investigations is they show the reader how the investigator has reached the conclusions set out at the end.&quot;

Correct.  Thanks.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/07/douma-incident-and-forensic-architecture-the-emails/#comment-124780">Loverat</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;But the point of the investigations is they show the reader how the investigator has reached the conclusions set out at the end.&#8221;</p>
<p>Correct.  Thanks.</p>
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		By: Philip Watson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Philip Watson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2020 03:01:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/07/douma-incident-and-forensic-architecture-the-emails/#comment-124642&quot;&gt;Barovsky&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi there, 

This is the first chance I&#039;ve had to read over the comments and all constructive criticisms are welcomed and noted.  Thanks.

In my defence, this article was written for my blog and followed a series of tweets I&#039;d been tweeting at the time, so it was written in the context that the reader would already have a background on the matter.  I&#039;m also not a journalist and thus this explains how I may be failing in that department. I investigate alleged chemical usage in Syria using Open Source Intelligence, published data and information obtained from sources. But your points are, as stated, duly noted and I&#039;ll try to be a bit more &#039;journalistic&#039; in how I present my work for people who may not be fully aware of the background of the given case study.

A note on the layout of the emails. I could have exported to PDF or patched together screenshots so they were presented in a more ascetically pleasing manner but that&#039;s not how I work. I didn&#039;t want to leave myself opened to claims of &#039;doctoring&#039; the presentation or content so I presented them as they were.  Some are harder to read than others as I had to use 3rd party software to capture the entire emails that were quite long.  Therefore the presentation of the emails was intended to represent authenticity.

Thanks for your input.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/07/douma-incident-and-forensic-architecture-the-emails/#comment-124642">Barovsky</a>.</p>
<p>Hi there, </p>
<p>This is the first chance I&#8217;ve had to read over the comments and all constructive criticisms are welcomed and noted.  Thanks.</p>
<p>In my defence, this article was written for my blog and followed a series of tweets I&#8217;d been tweeting at the time, so it was written in the context that the reader would already have a background on the matter.  I&#8217;m also not a journalist and thus this explains how I may be failing in that department. I investigate alleged chemical usage in Syria using Open Source Intelligence, published data and information obtained from sources. But your points are, as stated, duly noted and I&#8217;ll try to be a bit more &#8216;journalistic&#8217; in how I present my work for people who may not be fully aware of the background of the given case study.</p>
<p>A note on the layout of the emails. I could have exported to PDF or patched together screenshots so they were presented in a more ascetically pleasing manner but that&#8217;s not how I work. I didn&#8217;t want to leave myself opened to claims of &#8216;doctoring&#8217; the presentation or content so I presented them as they were.  Some are harder to read than others as I had to use 3rd party software to capture the entire emails that were quite long.  Therefore the presentation of the emails was intended to represent authenticity.</p>
<p>Thanks for your input.</p>
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		By: Gall		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2020 07:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/07/douma-incident-and-forensic-architecture-the-emails/#comment-126490&quot;&gt;paul&lt;/a&gt;.

Makes sense. Also it leaves an ambiguous trail for the ME who will usually determine &quot;accidental death&quot;. Also more convincing than the &quot;suicide&quot; who managed to shoot himself in the back of the head.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/07/douma-incident-and-forensic-architecture-the-emails/#comment-126490">paul</a>.</p>
<p>Makes sense. Also it leaves an ambiguous trail for the ME who will usually determine &#8220;accidental death&#8221;. Also more convincing than the &#8220;suicide&#8221; who managed to shoot himself in the back of the head.</p>
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		By: paul		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[paul]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2020 17:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/07/douma-incident-and-forensic-architecture-the-emails/#comment-125799&quot;&gt;Gall&lt;/a&gt;.

The CIA favours a fall from height as their preferred murder technique against lower level targets, and plane/ helicopter crashes for more exalted figures.
They conducted research concluding that a fall from 70 feet on to a hard surface would inevitably result in death.
CIA spooks are trained to grab the target by the ankles and throw them from an open window.
This may well be what happened to poor old Uncle Arthur.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/07/douma-incident-and-forensic-architecture-the-emails/#comment-125799">Gall</a>.</p>
<p>The CIA favours a fall from height as their preferred murder technique against lower level targets, and plane/ helicopter crashes for more exalted figures.<br />
They conducted research concluding that a fall from 70 feet on to a hard surface would inevitably result in death.<br />
CIA spooks are trained to grab the target by the ankles and throw them from an open window.<br />
This may well be what happened to poor old Uncle Arthur.</p>
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		By: Gall		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2020 22:10:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/07/douma-incident-and-forensic-architecture-the-emails/#comment-125763&quot;&gt;Maggie&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes they defenestrated him which I thought was kind of an interesting hit. Some what like Ted Olson whom they say jumped out a window. Only problem with the cover story is that jumpers usually open the window first before jumping through them.

Probably the reason they got rid of  le Mesurier was because he knew too much about the false flag gas attack and would have been drawn in as a witness.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/07/douma-incident-and-forensic-architecture-the-emails/#comment-125763">Maggie</a>.</p>
<p>Yes they defenestrated him which I thought was kind of an interesting hit. Some what like Ted Olson whom they say jumped out a window. Only problem with the cover story is that jumpers usually open the window first before jumping through them.</p>
<p>Probably the reason they got rid of  le Mesurier was because he knew too much about the false flag gas attack and would have been drawn in as a witness.</p>
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		By: Maggie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Maggie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2020 20:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/07/douma-incident-and-forensic-architecture-the-emails/#comment-124873&quot;&gt;Louis N. Proyect&lt;/a&gt;.

Louis, Do you not have access to the internet, is it restricted in some way? Or are you just too lazy?  If so I guess you will not have the energy to open this link and digest?
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-04-11/there-wasnt-single-corpse-russia-claims-white-helmets-staged-syria-chemical-attack]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/07/douma-incident-and-forensic-architecture-the-emails/#comment-124873">Louis N. Proyect</a>.</p>
<p>Louis, Do you not have access to the internet, is it restricted in some way? Or are you just too lazy?  If so I guess you will not have the energy to open this link and digest?<br />
<a href="https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-04-11/there-wasnt-single-corpse-russia-claims-white-helmets-staged-syria-chemical-attack" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-04-11/there-wasnt-single-corpse-russia-claims-white-helmets-staged-syria-chemical-attack</a></p>
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		By: Maggie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Maggie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2020 20:42:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/07/douma-incident-and-forensic-architecture-the-emails/#comment-125763&quot;&gt;Maggie&lt;/a&gt;.

Continued from previous post:
 
On November 11, 2019, the British founder of the notorious White Helmets, James Le Mesurier, died in Istanbul, Turkey. The circumstances surrounding his death immediately elicited a flurry of Turkish and corporate media reports, many of them contradictory, as the details of his final hours came to light. 
MARK URBAN, the diplomatic editor at BBC Newsnight, immediately tweeted that “a former colleague” had told him it was impossible to “fall from that balcony,” referencing Le Mesurier’s reported cause of death and intimated that there may have been “state involvement.” 
Urban did not identify his mysterious “former colleague” or explain &lt;strong&gt;what made him sufficiently qualified &lt;/strong&gt;to conclude that Le Mesurier’s death may have been a state-sanctioned hit. 
&lt;strong&gt;Urban, declaring ignorance over Le Mesurier’s suspected ties to Britain’s MI6 intelligence agency,&lt;/strong&gt; then suggesting that a “black propaganda campaign by Russian and Syria media and their social media acolytes” against Le Mesurier was “a prelude to murder,”  Extraordinary claims for a journalist to make prior to the publication of any official autopsy...
https://www.mintpressnews.com/mysterious-death-media-scrambles-white-helmets-founder-james-le-mesurier/263142/

The same Mark Urban who was a colleague of Pablo Millar,  the MI6 Handler of 
Sergei Skripa… ...

Mark Urban      
(soldier, academic, journalist, author, presenter, spook?)
Born
1961-01-26
Marylebone, London, England
Nationality
British
Alma mater
Rokeby School, King&#039;s College School, London School of Economics
Religion
Jewish

Mark Urban is a&lt;strong&gt; UK Establishment-friendly journalist&lt;/strong&gt;, author, academic and was the diplomatic and&lt;strong&gt; defence editor for BBC Two&#039;s Newsnight at the time of the Skripal Affair&lt;/strong&gt;. Asked by Craig Murray in an email (mark.urban@bbc.co.uk): 
&quot;You were an officer in the Royal Tank Regiment together with Skripal’s MI6 handler, Pablo Miller, who also lived in Salisbury. Have you maintained friendship with Miller over the years and how often do you communicate?&quot;
In their response, the BBC avoided the question, saying: 
&quot;Some of the information you’ve requested we are not obliged to share as it is held for purposes of journalism??
https://www.wikispooks.com/wiki/Mark_Urban]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/07/douma-incident-and-forensic-architecture-the-emails/#comment-125763">Maggie</a>.</p>
<p>Continued from previous post:</p>
<p>On November 11, 2019, the British founder of the notorious White Helmets, James Le Mesurier, died in Istanbul, Turkey. The circumstances surrounding his death immediately elicited a flurry of Turkish and corporate media reports, many of them contradictory, as the details of his final hours came to light.<br />
MARK URBAN, the diplomatic editor at BBC Newsnight, immediately tweeted that “a former colleague” had told him it was impossible to “fall from that balcony,” referencing Le Mesurier’s reported cause of death and intimated that there may have been “state involvement.”<br />
Urban did not identify his mysterious “former colleague” or explain <strong>what made him sufficiently qualified </strong>to conclude that Le Mesurier’s death may have been a state-sanctioned hit.<br />
<strong>Urban, declaring ignorance over Le Mesurier’s suspected ties to Britain’s MI6 intelligence agency,</strong> then suggesting that a “black propaganda campaign by Russian and Syria media and their social media acolytes” against Le Mesurier was “a prelude to murder,”  Extraordinary claims for a journalist to make prior to the publication of any official autopsy&#8230;<br />
<a href="https://www.mintpressnews.com/mysterious-death-media-scrambles-white-helmets-founder-james-le-mesurier/263142/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.mintpressnews.com/mysterious-death-media-scrambles-white-helmets-founder-james-le-mesurier/263142/</a></p>
<p>The same Mark Urban who was a colleague of Pablo Millar,  the MI6 Handler of<br />
Sergei Skripa… &#8230;</p>
<p>Mark Urban<br />
(soldier, academic, journalist, author, presenter, spook?)<br />
Born<br />
1961-01-26<br />
Marylebone, London, England<br />
Nationality<br />
British<br />
Alma mater<br />
Rokeby School, King&#8217;s College School, London School of Economics<br />
Religion<br />
Jewish</p>
<p>Mark Urban is a<strong> UK Establishment-friendly journalist</strong>, author, academic and was the diplomatic and<strong> defence editor for BBC Two&#8217;s Newsnight at the time of the Skripal Affair</strong>. Asked by Craig Murray in an email (mark.urban@bbc.co.uk):<br />
&#8220;You were an officer in the Royal Tank Regiment together with Skripal’s MI6 handler, Pablo Miller, who also lived in Salisbury. Have you maintained friendship with Miller over the years and how often do you communicate?&#8221;<br />
In their response, the BBC avoided the question, saying:<br />
&#8220;Some of the information you’ve requested we are not obliged to share as it is held for purposes of journalism??<br />
<a href="https://www.wikispooks.com/wiki/Mark_Urban" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.wikispooks.com/wiki/Mark_Urban</a></p>
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