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Could the Covid19 Response be More Deadly than the Virus?

The economic, social and public health consequences of these measures could claim millions of victims

Kevin Ryan

The initial, alarming estimates of deaths from the virus COVID-19 were that as many as 2.2 million people would die in the United States. This number is comparable to the annual US death rate of around 3 million. Fortunately, correction of some simple errors in overestimation has begun to dramatically reduce the virus mortality claims.

The most recent estimate from “the leading US authority on the COVID-19 pandemic” suggests that the US may see between 100,000 and 200,000 deaths from COVID-19, with the final tally likely to be somewhere in the middle.” This means that we are expecting around 150,000 US deaths caused by the virus, if the latest estimates hold up.

How does that compare to the effects of the measures taken in response? By all accounts, the impact of the response will be great, far-reaching, and long-lasting.

To better assess the difference we might ask, how many people will die as a result of the response to COVID-19? Although a comprehensive analysis is needed from those experienced with modeling mortality rates, we can begin to estimate by examining existing research and comparative statistics. Let’s start by looking at three critical areas of impact: suicide and drug abuse, lack of medical treatment or coverage, and poverty and food access.

Suicides and Drug Abuse

According to the National Center for Health Statistics, over 48,000 suicides occurred in the US in 2018. This equates to an annual rate of about 14 suicides per 100,000 people. As expected, suicides increase substantially during times of economic depression. For example, as a result of the 2008 recession there was an approximate 25% increase. Similarly, during a peak year of the Great Depression, in 1932, the rate rose to 17 suicides per 100,000 people.

Recent research ties high suicide rates “to the unraveling of the social fabric” that happens when societal breakdowns occur. People become despondent over economic hardship, the loss of social structures, loneliness, and related factors.

There is probably no greater example of these kinds of losses than what we are experiencing today with the extreme response to COVID-19 and the effects will be felt for many years. The social structures might return in a few months but the economy will not.

Some think that the economy will recover in three years and others think it will never recover in terms of impact to low-income households, as was the case for the 2008 recession. However, if we estimate a full recovery in six years, the effects will contribute around 3 suicides per 100,000 people every year during that time for a total of over 59,000 deaths in the United States.

Related to suicides are drug abuse deaths. According to the National Institute on Drug Abuse, over 67,000 deaths from overdose of illicit or prescription drugs occurred in 2018. This does not include alcohol abuse. Only 7% were suicides and 87% were known to be unintentional deaths largely due to drug abuse caused by depression or other mental conditions. Such conditions can be expected to rise during times of economic collapse and if we estimate the impact due to COVID-19 over six years as being a 25% increase (as with suicides) that projects about 87,000 additional deaths due to drug abuse.

Lack of Medical Coverage or Treatment

Unemployment is expected to rise dramatically as a result of the COVID-19 response and the effect is already being seen in jobless claims. One of the major impacts of unemployment, apart from depression and poverty, is a lack of medical coverage.

A Harvard study found nearly 45,000 excess deaths annually linked to lack of health coverage. That was at the pre-COVID-19 unemployment rate of 4%.

As reported recently, millions of Americans are losing their jobs in the COVID-19 recession/depression. For every 2% increase in unemployment, there are about 3.5 million lost jobs.

The US Secretary of Treasury has predicted a 20% unemployment level, which translates to 12 million lost jobs. If the 45,000 excess deaths due to lack of medical coverage increases uniformly by unemployment rate, we can expect about 225,000 deaths annually due to lack of medical coverage in the US at 20% unemployment. Extrapolating this over a 6-year period would mean 1.35 million deaths.

This assumes that funding for important health-related programs are not further cut or ignored, a bad assumption that means the estimate is probably low.

Beyond lack of coverage, medical services are being reprioritized to respond preferentially to COVID-19, causing less resources to be available for treatment of other medical conditions. The capacity of medical service providers has already been significantly impacted by the COVID-19 response in some areas.

Additionally, clinical trials and drug development are expected to be severely impacted. This means that important new medicines will not reach the market and people will die who otherwise would have lived. There is not yet enough information on the overall impact to medical service provision therefore we will not include an estimate.

Poverty and Food Access

The Columbia University School of Public Health studied the effects of poverty on death rates. The investigators found that 4.5% of US deaths were attributable to poverty. That’s about 130,000 deaths annually.

How will this be affected by COVID-19? One way to begin estimating is to consider how the number of people living in poverty will increase.

Before the COVID-19 response, approximately 12% of Americans lived below the officially defined poverty line. That percentage will undoubtedly rise significantly due to the expected increase in unemployment. If unemployment rises to 20% (from 4%) as predicted, the number of people living in poverty could easily double. If that is the extent of the effect, we will see another 130,000 deaths per year from general poverty.

Although deaths due to poverty are not entirely about food access, it is a significant factor in that category. In times of economic hardship many people can’t afford good food, causing malnutrition and, in some cases, starvation. People also can’t access food causing the same outcomes. Limited access to nutritious food is a root cause of diet-related diseases, including diabetes, cardiovascular disease, and infant mortality issues. A recent estimate suggests 20% of all deaths worldwide are linked to poor diets.

Food access issues will be further exacerbated with the COVID-19 problem due to the anticipated issues with food production and prices. If the COVID-19 response lasts for years as expected, our estimate will need to be a multiple of the 130,000 annual figure. Using the 6-year estimate, we get 780,000 deaths.

Conclusion

The total deaths attributable to the COVID-19 response, from just this limited examination, are estimated to be:

  • Suicides 59,000
  • Drug abuse 87,000
  • Lack of medical coverage or treatment 1,350,000
  • Poverty and food access 780,000

These estimates, totaling more than two million deaths above the estimated 150,000 expected from the virus itself, do not include other predictable issues with the COVID-19 response. An example is the lack of medical services as stated above. Other examples include the EPA’s suspension of environmental regulations. It has been estimated that the EPA’s Clean Air Act alone has saved 230,000 lives each year.

Moreover, the anticipated failure of the US Postal Service (USPS) will lead to more illness and death. The USPS “delivers about 1 million lifesaving medications each year and serves as the only delivery link to Americans living in rural areas.”

Even using these low estimates, however, we can see that the response will be much worse than the virus. The social devastation and economic scarring could last more than six years, with one expert predicting that it will be “long-lasting and calamitous.”

That expert has noted that he is not overly concerned with the virus itself because “as much as 99 percent of active cases [of COVID-19] in the general population are ‘mild’ and do not require specific medical treatment.”

Yet he is deeply concerned about the “the social, economic and public health consequences of this near total meltdown of normal life.” He suggests a better alternative is to focus only on those most susceptible to the virus. Others have reasonably suggested that only those who are known to be infected should self-quarantine.

Some public health professionals have been pleading with authorities to consider the implications of the unreasonable response. Many experts have spoken out publicly, criticizing the overreaction to COVID-19. A professor of medical microbiology, for example, has written an open letter to German Chancellor Merkel in an attempt to draw attention to the concerns.

The real problem we face today is not a virus. The greater problem is that people have failed to engage in critical thinking due to the fear promoted by some media and government officials. Fear is the mind killer, as author Frank Herbert once wrote. Ultimately, the fear of COVID-19 and the lack of critical thinking that has arisen from it are likely to cause far more deaths than the virus itself.

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Sam - Admin2
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Sam - Admin2
Apr 2, 2020 1:04 PM

Users may notice that some erroneous, anachronous comments are appearing Below The Line, for example from older pieces way back in 2018. The cause is unknown at present, and we are looking into it as I write.

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milosevic
milosevic
Apr 2, 2020 1:29 PM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

at the same time as you are investigating this issue, can you also look into the long-standing problem wherein embedded Youtube videos are swapped around, after being posted?

if you look through the archives, you will find many people complaining about this problem.

Sophie - Admin1
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Sophie - Admin1
Apr 2, 2020 1:32 PM
Reply to  milosevic

That’s a browser cacheing issue. The correct video is actually there and embedded, but your browser will swap it out for whatever is in your cache as recently watched. The best thing to do is empty your browser cache, clear history and the right video should show up.

milosevic
milosevic
Apr 2, 2020 3:22 PM

that doesn’t make any sense. the webbrowser won’t substitute one URL with a completely different one, just because it has it cached.
there must be some kind of programming bug, either on the webserver or in the client-side Javascript.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 3, 2020 2:45 AM
Reply to  milosevic

Milo, when you view a YouTube video on Off-Guardian it’s as if you’re viewing it in your browser so if you click the video it will move onto another one after it’s finished. There is no problem with YouTube videos. I’ve tested it.

khursheed
khursheed
Apr 7, 2020 7:35 PM

its amazing how world politicians can be so dumb or evil, whichever way u see it… n the large pharma n other vested int. organisations so greedy as to harm the public who if not brainwashed , often dont have the means or desire to even speak up … but reporters like u make it possible to have more faith that there are ethical people still who care about real health, n the truth in this already collapsing world…’this is a wake up call to more to look at the spiritual aspect of human existence and follow ones instincts in who to trust and who not…thanks for writing a great article n spreading the info..

Penelope
Penelope
Apr 5, 2020 7:09 AM

Doctor cited on Ice Age Now says he’s able to resolve shortness of breath from the virus in 4-6 hours with Hydroxychloroquine + azithromyocin (Z-pak) + zinc sulfate. He says 100% success rate.
https://www.iceagenow.info/doctor-reports-100-percent-success-rate-treating-coronavirus-patients/
Dr. Vladimir Zelenko in NY.

Break The Spell!
Break The Spell!
Apr 3, 2020 7:09 AM

Humanity is enslaved. Individuals are not born as slaves, they are born free. They are born in freedom, but as I look around, they are found to be in chains everywhere. People living in chains, people dying in chains. This is the greatest calamity that has happened to humanity. Now it seems, in the name of ‘saving’ all their slaves from the corona virus, which mostly seems to be killing all the elderly with pre-existing health issues. We have become passive victims in a far more sinister agenda, a long planned full global financial collapse, leading to the removal of all wealth, health, freedom and the well being of most of the planets inhabitants. It is a very insane kind of society that we have created in thousands of years. Its insanity has come now to a high peak, there is no going back. We are indeed sitting on a… Read more »

1of7billion
1of7billion
Apr 3, 2020 1:19 AM

I am pretty sure there will be a lot of bad consequences of every kind from this mishandling of a virus epidemic, and the above analysis seems plausible, possibly even an underestimate. The extent of the damage will undoubtedly be linked to how long these measures continue of course, that is to say, whether this graduates from being merely an exercise in shooting oneself in the foot, to shooting oneself in the head, globally speaking. The question is what to do about it, and nobody seems to have any answers. But consider this. Suppose there were another infectious disease and virus currently infecting nearly 37 million people worldwide (covid-19 is still less than 1 million cases), and over 1 million (so far less than 50,000 have died of COVID-19) died of it annually, and 1.8 million became newly infected in a year. Wouldn’t you think the media and governments would… Read more »

Peter klimon
Peter klimon
Apr 12, 2020 3:28 AM
Reply to  1of7billion

So your solution is to wreak the constitution? Not a good idea! The problem isn’t the constitution, it is due to The complete destruction of our teaching institutions and family units that have brainwashed multiple generations to hate the very country and families that gave them birth.

Grafter
Grafter
Apr 3, 2020 12:29 AM

Was talking to a very fit Deliveroo cyclist from the gig economy today. Although still employed he told me his normal average daily wage was around £115 pre Covid but was now around £45 per day. Seems those lockdown inhabitants are getting fed up with eating pizza.

JudyJ
JudyJ
Apr 2, 2020 11:50 PM

When I was out on my ‘daily exercise’ session today I met a fellow sceptic. We had a very long chat and exchanged contact details as well as respective sources of information on the Internet. I shall call her ‘L’. (Hi, L, if you see this!) Four of the information sources that L referenced all follow the same theme in terms of explaining “how the coronavirus pandemic came about and how it ties in with an initiative which has been pursued since 2001 (post 9/11) in the US to bring the Deep State to account for all the atrocities committed in its name. This initiative is now reaching its climax with Donald Trump leading the vanguard. The contention advanced in the internet sources is that the control measures we are subjected to tie in with preventing the Deep State and its world wide cohorts from achieving their ambitions to continue… Read more »

JudyJ
JudyJ
Apr 2, 2020 11:53 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

Next two links referenced in my post at 11.50, Apr 2.

Baloo Da
Baloo Da
Apr 2, 2020 10:48 PM

Looks like this site is just controlled opposition. I tried posting some real information on what COVID-19 really is, but the post gets censored.

You will not find real information here, you are wasting your time.

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Apr 2, 2020 11:11 PM
Reply to  Baloo Da

It had diverted to spam, don’t worry 🙂

Baloo Da
Baloo Da
Apr 2, 2020 10:29 PM

COVID-19 is just project POGO and project ZYPHR playing out. In July 2019 David Goldberg revealed leaked documents in a video: https://www.bitchute.com/video/fP9CIjb6dVia/ Shortly after David was found dead in his apartment. In the video he claims he was “bugged” and monitored. David Goldberg’s Paraphrased Quotes: • “millions killed by engineered virus” • “disguised as flu outbreak” • “winter 2020” • “total financial meltdown” • “they’ve been compiling identities of millions of people online who exceed a certain wrong think threshold. in 2020 they will round them all up and kill them, using the virus as a decoy” • “normally if millions of people are killed people would notice but because of the virus no one will question it” • “they have become a problem for the Israelis” • “the virus will lead to the planned dissolution of America, and justified to create a world government headed by Israel” This is… Read more »

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 3, 2020 5:45 AM
Reply to  Baloo Da

This is just one of the multiple stories they push out, this one appealing to those who tend to think the absolute worst of governments (I mean you can see why, of course, but how are they going to manufacture viruses when they can’t even isolate them?). There is zero evidence of a virus at all, engineered or otherwise.

Baloo Da
Baloo Da
Apr 3, 2020 1:23 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

I agree that the evidence for the existence of virus is rather weak. However, whether real or imaginary, the effect on the population is the same. Widespread panic and fear. This is good backdrop for execution of draconian plan(s).

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Apr 12, 2020 3:46 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

“how are they going to manufacture viruses when they can’t even isolate them?”

Your OCD doesn’t pay much attention to actuality, does it? I suppose that’s par for course for OCDs.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 12, 2020 4:35 AM
Reply to  Robbobbobin

Robbo, I readily admit to knowing nothing about viruses. You’ll have to argue it out with, Tony. I”m sure he’d be most interested in your evidence that this virus has been isolated. https://off-guardian.org/2020/04/08/coronavirus-fact-check-2-the-emergency-powers-will-only-last-2-years/#comment-143800 You should always ask all those who really insist that any variant or ‘mutation’ of this alleged ‘pathogenic’ Cornavirus physically exists to come up with the original scientific paper that actually demonstrates the FACT, with the name of the scientist who claims to have identified it, when and where at, and who funded the research and then ask how it was isolated with all the full experimental details. Which means isolation and purification by methods other than by paying lip service to serology or PCR assays, or reference to GenBank sequences that allegedly derive from the genomes of isolated viruses which you can never prove they have really isolated those viruses, because you cannot get the original… Read more »

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Apr 13, 2020 1:48 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Your halitosis has reached stupifying proportions. Your long response (of April 12, 2020, 4:35 AM) precedes my short post by a minute. “I readily admit to knowing nothing about viruses […] The only way to prove coronavirus or any of its alleged ‘mutations’ is by the criteria that I have specified…” Anything you can regurgitate that fits (your dementia), right? OK: The announcement, with a dateline of March 12, 2020 (a month ago), is at: https://sunnybrook.ca/research/media/item.asp?f=covid-19-isolated-2020&i=2069 Somebody could print that dateline in 72 point Cooper Black on both sides of a samuri sword and shove it up your arse the ½” needed to reach your brain, a.k.a. you rectum, and you would still contrive to overlook, ignore, rubbish, traduce or lie it into nonexistence to keep your diarrhoea portal functional. One of the three researchers involved is Samira Mubareka: https://sunnybrook.ca/research/team/member.asp?t=12&m=417&page=529 lists her work address, room number, phone and fax numbers… Read more »

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 13, 2020 10:34 AM
Reply to  Robbobbobin

Somebody could print that dateline in 72 point Cooper Black on both sides of a samuri sword and shove it up your arse the ½” needed to reach your brain, a.k.a. you rectum … I thought OffG readers were here to help promote democracy, freedom (including the very important freedoms of speech and thought) and peace. But it seems not everyone because your words are extremely violent and show great intolerance of others’ views. If it’s just that all this nonsense self-isolation has got to you, Robbo, and you’re stir-crazy I do understand. Nevertheless, I’d ask you to get a grip and refrain from violent language unless in fact you don’t believe in: Freedom and tolerance of speech and thought Democracy Peace … and you’re all for expressing violent words to others when you don’t agree with them and feel you have every entitlement to do so. Can you confirm… Read more »

Baloo Da
Baloo Da
Apr 2, 2020 10:19 PM

Very intriguing article.

Paul Vonharnish
Paul Vonharnish
Apr 2, 2020 5:00 PM

I am a former electronics engineer – self taught in analog design. After about 20 years of putting up with dick heads who relied on engineering “degrees”, I concluded that formal education has become nothing more than a glorified pissing contest; wherein experts learn how to nullify facts…
The corona pan-panic is a wonderful example of scientific narcissism married to banker controlled political incompetence…

“Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts.”

– Richard P. Feynman –
(May 11, 1918 – February 15, 1988)

1of7billion
1of7billion
Apr 2, 2020 4:58 PM

It certainly could, excellent article.

clickkid
clickkid
Apr 2, 2020 4:03 PM

“In a headline today the DT informs us that comedian Eddie Large: “died after contracting coronavirus” https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/04/02/eddie-large-dead-contracting-coronavirus/ If you go to Eddies’s Wikipedia page you read this: “After being admitted to hospital in March 2002 due to kidney problems, he underwent a heart transplant at Papworth Hospital, Cambridge in 2003 at the age of 62, and recovered fully.[citation needed] Large was hospitalised for some weeks in late 2013 after tripping over a road sign near his Portishead home.[9] Large died on 2 April 2020 at Southmead Hospital in Bristol after contracting COVID-19 while in hospital receiving treatment for heart failure.[10] Large had suffered from kidney and heart problems for a number of years.[8][11] ” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_Large THe headline – and the article suggest that Large died of covid-19, whereas it is clear to anyone who Looks a little deeper, that that is doubtful to say the least. Presumably, this will be… Read more »

John Pretty
John Pretty
Apr 2, 2020 8:56 PM
Reply to  clickkid

Clearly the covid19 was incidental to his death.

I notice the mainstream media are all reporting it as a coronavirus death.

There should be Nuremberg trials for these deceitful scumbags.

shitstorm
shitstorm
Apr 2, 2020 9:23 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

You guys have no dignity. We all gonna die. Some day. Sooner or later.

John Pretty
John Pretty
Apr 2, 2020 9:40 PM
Reply to  shitstorm

say what?

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 3, 2020 5:47 AM
Reply to  John Pretty

You don’t actually think COVID-19 was present, do you, John?

shitstorm
shitstorm
Apr 2, 2020 3:50 PM

If you wanna hear and promote alternative opinions, hear this. Virus is unfortunately real and will kill a lot of people but it’s not the cause for the collapse of economy. It’s just the pin that bursted the huge bubble or ponzi that had been growing. Printing money will not help. https://youtu.be/32KluX2Bvn8

clickkid
clickkid
Apr 2, 2020 4:42 PM
Reply to  shitstorm

The point is not to “hear and promote alternative opinions”

The point is to find out the truth of what is going on.

I am not so much interested in opinions as I am in facts.

shitstorm
shitstorm
Apr 2, 2020 5:05 PM
Reply to  clickkid

Did you listen to interview I linked? Check facts yourself and form an educated opinion. I’d like to hear yours.

shitstorm
shitstorm
Apr 2, 2020 8:51 PM
Reply to  clickkid

I got your point. Talking about facts, why are you then spreading OPINIONS by these 12+10 experts? How did you fact check those opinions? Can you elaborate on that.

John Pretty
John Pretty
Apr 2, 2020 9:42 PM
Reply to  shitstorm

“Virus is unfortunately real and will kill a lot of people”

is an opinion.

shitstorm
shitstorm
Apr 2, 2020 9:52 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

Well, you can check the facts in hindsight. It’s one thing to call something an opinion. Another thing is to bring facts to the table. Gimme some facts. Checked facts. I’m not here to entertain you. Be serious.

JohnB
JohnB
Apr 3, 2020 12:40 PM
Reply to  shitstorm

I’m not here to entertain you.

Good effort though.

Peter Szabo
Peter Szabo
Apr 12, 2020 3:37 AM
Reply to  shitstorm

The facts are in the actual data compiled and compared to relative dates, reports from various experts, public announcements and plain hard research? Do not be so critical. Everyone does not have ability or time to post volumous research for every reply….

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 3, 2020 5:48 AM
Reply to  clickkid

This is an incontrovertible fact:
There is zero evidence supporting the reality of this virus and there is evidence against its reality.

shitstorm
shitstorm
Apr 3, 2020 7:14 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Put the verified evidence to the table.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 3, 2020 7:50 AM
Reply to  shitstorm

In summary: Pre-pandemic events that are difficult to reconcile with coincidence Testing – No evidence that virus strain can be isolated, indications of lying about testing being done Numbers of cases and mortality – evidence of fraudulence of figures ​Patients – alleged patients showing no signs of illness, people alleging miraculous recovery from brink of death by taking anti-malarial, chloroquine ​In-your-face anomalies – Chinese cobra and many-banded krait being reservoirs, empty buildings being converted to a hospital in 48 hours with unconvincing evidence shown, alleged sufferers falling flat on face, laid out on pavement, etc For more detail: https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/blog/coronavirus-hoax-jan-2020 If you think there is any evidence that favours the hypothesis of the existence of COVID-19 over the hypothesis that the virus is made up and any figures applied to sufferers of it or deaths from it are either made up or apply to sufferers of other health conditions, please let… Read more »

shitstorm
shitstorm
Apr 3, 2020 9:27 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

One thing I agree. We don’t have enough facts about numerators and denominators. Assume 10 tested positive, 1 dead ->10% mortality. What if another died unnoticed -> 20%, what if 90 positive not tested -> 1%. Assume both true -> 2% etc. etc. Generally, when you don’t know you need to be risk averse and take extreme measures. Otherwise, you’ve gotta fair chances to be f***ed. Then again if the intention is to get everything f***ed, let it roll. I’m not advocating that. And you?

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 3, 2020 1:08 PM
Reply to  shitstorm

I pay little attention to the figures because figures can be fudged, made up, whatever … although, of course, it’s good if you can point out they don’t add up or are obviously fraudulent.

The visual evidence they present to us of this virus is either obviously faked or extremely unconvincing and that being the case, without any other clear evidence of the virus’s existence, I say it doesn’t exist.

The alleged COVID-19 pandemic is obviously a “live exercise” following Event 201, a tabletop pandemic exercise held in October 2019, partnered by the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security, the World Economic Forum and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.

It is a Trauma-based Mind-Control Psychological Operation just like 9/11 and a number of other events. I’d say across the world it is causing far more trauma than 9/11 did.

shitstorm
shitstorm
Apr 3, 2020 1:11 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

You outta your mind? There has been 6 exercises altogether (201 + five others) but this is not an excercise or a game.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 3, 2020 1:18 PM
Reply to  shitstorm

5 others? Most interested in them. What are they?

Why is it not an exercise? What’s your evidence?

shitstorm
shitstorm
Apr 3, 2020 1:41 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Like I said before I’m not here to entertain anyone. See piece of evidence below. What’s your evidence that it’s an exercise? None. Guess I’m gonna leave you to discuss and argue these things from your own perspective which is not grounded to facts by any means. Have fun.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 3, 2020 2:58 PM
Reply to  shitstorm

It’s fascinating the way people deny and gloss over evidence. My evidence is on my webpage which I can only infer you didn’t look at, right? All the visual evidence presented for this virus is obviously faked or completely unconvincing and doesn’t add up. Below are a number of patients shown to us for which the evidence of their suffering from the virus is not indicated or contradicts what we have been told about lack of cure for the virus. These are signs it is an exercise or psyop because when they psyop us they always give us the clues. How can they tell us that a man was miraculously cured by an anti-malarial? Even if he thought he was the media shouldn’t push that, should they, because the alleged COVID-19 is sooooooooooooo seriouuuuuuuuuuuuuus. You can see more detail of these patients on my webpage – if you don’t look… Read more »

shitstorm
shitstorm
Apr 3, 2020 7:49 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Award-winning singer-songwriter Christopher Cross has been diagnosed with coronavirus. The artist shared the news with his fans on social media. “Dear friends, I’m sorry to report that I am among the growing number of Americans who tested positive for the COVID-19 virus,” Cross announced in a message posted to his Facebook page. “I’m not in the habit of discussing medical issues on social media, but I do so in hope this will help other people to understand how serious and how contagious this illness is. Although I am fortunate enough to be cared for at home, this is possibly the worst illness I’ve ever had. For those of you who still do not believe the COVID-19 virus is real, or think it is a ‘hoax’ or part of some conspiracy, my advice to you is to understand right now that this is a deadly illness spreading like wildfire throughout the… Read more »

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 4, 2020 10:20 AM
Reply to  shitstorm

What you have to look at is actual evidence. They can tell us anything. It’s a massive conspiracy. The evidence they show us for sick people is not consistent with sick people and the miracle survivor stories do not add up. They always tell us when they’re psyopping us. Have you looked at my page? Have you done that? Please look at the evidence and don’t just come back with nonsense about this or that person allegedly dying of COVID-19. It means nothing. We have been told many people died of one thing or another and we know that either they died from something else or they their death was staged. https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/blog/coronavirus-hoax-jan-2020 A very constant psyop is that of telling us people died. It’s ever present. They told us that 3,000 people died and 6,000 were injured on 9/11 but the evidence shows that death and injury were staged. Please… Read more »

Sophie - Admin1
Admin
Sophie - Admin1
Apr 4, 2020 12:22 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

But Petra, people do die. Every day. Thousands of them. There’s no need to invent deaths. All you need to do is take some of the real ones and assign them to a virus they may have or be assumed to have.

Sure some of those viral videos are possibly fake, because not many genuine very sick people will bother posting on YouTube in order to tell people to take government advice, but that does not equate to death being a fiction.

In fact that is precisely the lie the PTB are subliminally selling, that death is a rarity, an anomaly that can be corrected. You are inadvertently promoting the same nonsense.

People are dying, just as they always do, but in unremarkable numbers and for unremarkable reasons.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 4, 2020 1:27 PM

Admin1, Apologies, I expressed myself badly. When I said: We have been told many people died of one thing or another and we know that either they died from something else or they their death was staged. … … it might look as though I’m referring specifically to this pandemic psyop when I just mean it with regard to psyops generally. Of course, in this psyop it is the former option that would exclusively (or virtually exclusively) be the case – ascribing cause of death to COVID-19 when the person has died from something else. However, even if there is no good reason to fake death for such a psyop it isn’t to say they haven’t at all. Even though they don’t need to fake death, one or other person may wish to disappear for whatever reason (just as they do in other psyops) and thus agree to participate so… Read more »

Peter klimon
Peter klimon
Apr 12, 2020 3:50 AM

That is a good supposition. My research indicates they have been taking normal deaths such as pneumonia and lumping them under Covid-19 on a grand scale. Very easy validate by simply comparing total deaths to prior stats. Overall deaths are same or even lower which should be an increase if coved-19 was new and rampant. This avoids having to verify details and is fairly accurate. Basically as you sugggested they are simply taking other deaths an calling them Covid-19 deaths.

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Apr 12, 2020 4:12 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

“90 year-old Washington grandmother makes miracle recovery from “death’s door”, potato soup being her secret weapon […] if potato soup and chloroquine have not been scientifically proven to help sufferers shouldn’t the media be warning viewers?”

Misreporting? Should read “chicken soup” and “hydroxychloroquine”?

shitstorm
shitstorm
Apr 3, 2020 1:21 PM
Reply to  shitstorm

There have been stories claiming that the coronavirus isn’t changing rapidly. It is. Only about 1,000 genomes have been sequenced worldwide, so there is a lot we are missing. Even so, according to Nextstrain.org, a site that tracks viral genomes across the planet, the virus is mutating 1,000 times faster than influenza viruses and 36,000 times faster than measles (see graphs below). Very few people, with the exception of people like Trevor Bradford, an associate member at the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center, few people are honestly discussing why, how, where, and what this means for the future. RNA-based viruses are known to be genetically-unstable, and this one’s mutating about 20 times faster than regular RNA viruses. The published rate of change has gone up by 20% in the past two weeks. This could be good news or bad news, depending on how humanity’s luck breaks over the next 12… Read more »

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Apr 12, 2020 4:01 AM
Reply to  shitstorm

“You outta your mind?”

Yes.

Rhisiart Gwilym
Rhisiart Gwilym
Apr 3, 2020 3:29 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Petra, you might try asserting your obsession to dan, who curates ‘The Lifeboat News’: a frontline doctor in a London hospital, currently at home recovering from a violent flu-like illness, after working full-time unprotected with ICUs full of seriously-ill people. Try explaining to him that he’s hallucinating it all; or to us why he’s obviously a disinformation plant. His wife has had the same illness, but has recovered. Go on P, I dare you! But beware: dan has been getting quite tetchy even with the overall questioning stance of Off-G, since to him, the obviousness of a serious epidemic outbreak is self-evidently before his eyes at work. As it is for Chinese-American Dr. Richard Chang, front-line MD treating patients in Shanghai (where they’re healing – sic! – covid cases with big-dose IV vitaminC infusions; as is a chain of hospitals in NYstate, to little media notice. Andrew Saul has the… Read more »

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 3, 2020 4:24 PM

Rhisiart, You make false claims about me. I do not assert. I make claims based on evidence, OK? I always make claims based on evidence or where that doesn’t apply logic and reason. My claim is that the alleged COVID-19 pandemic is a psychological operation for which I present compelling evidence on my webpage. https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/blog/coronavirus-hoax-jan-2020 This does not mean that I do not deny a serious flu going around or any other illnesses. A friend had a serious flu last year and had to go to hospital. I wouldn’t be in the least surprised if all the BS rules in place for this alleged disease is actually somehow increasing spread of genuine illness. Obviously, if this is a psyop then many people will be involved and lots of people can say stuff – how do we know it’s true? If your video is simply talking heads how do I know… Read more »

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Apr 12, 2020 3:58 AM
Reply to  clickkid

‘The point is not to “hear and promote alternative opinions”’

Our remit, as we see it, is to provide a home for the comment – & the facts – you no longer find in the MSM. –Off Guardian

clickkid
clickkid
Apr 2, 2020 2:05 PM

Almost Ten Million Americans have lost their Jobs in the last two weeks.

https://www.zerohedge.com/personal-finance/shocking-9-million-americans-have-now-filed-unemployment-benefits-lockdowns-began

Link title is wrong – 9.948 Million have filed jobless claims.

milosevic
milosevic
Apr 2, 2020 3:25 PM
Reply to  clickkid

won’t somebody please think of the childrenelderly???

SteveK9
SteveK9
Apr 2, 2020 1:14 PM

Sorry, forgot the link … worth watching all of these videos, I think.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmFDE8P6_M-C4HTOuWwm4Dg

SteveK9
SteveK9
Apr 2, 2020 1:13 PM

US deaths might be more like 15,000-20,000. But, the damage has been done. The economic, and social consequences will be with us for years, and cause far more ‘extra deaths’, than the virus, if it doesn’t completely rip apart the social fabric. It’s very easy to make people afraid. This will be one more tool in the box for controlling you.

Ken Kenn
Ken Kenn
Apr 2, 2020 1:08 PM

A very thought provoking article. Th CV has only exposed what was already inherent in the Capitalist System ( particularly the Anglo Saxon model ) and obviously added to it. Even in the Uk where healthcare is free – the media and politicians -charitees etc use a phrase full off misleading meaning: ” Cold Related Deaths ” as if it was nature’s way that poorer people cannot afford to keep their houses and themselves warm between October and march each year without fail. These are people who live in terrible houses anyway with no insulation and damp running up and down the walls. The Homeless don’t have houses by definition so that’s extra. After that glib phrase is used across an unknowing or uncaring media to a an unknowing or uncaring. Most of the NHS media pronouncers – who more than likely voted Tory – are urging the people to… Read more »

clickkid
clickkid
Apr 2, 2020 1:36 PM
Reply to  Ken Kenn

” Cold Related Deaths ”

I suppose that would apply to Scott of the Antarctic.

Agree with you.

clickkid
clickkid
Apr 2, 2020 11:48 AM

Willem,

you have made the claim that at least some ICUs in the Netherlands are full.

I don’t know about NL, but a number of countries make information on ICU occupancy publically available.

Can you find that info for NL, or give me an idea how to find it?

What we then have to do is to compare it to previous times and years – ie see if it is anomalous.

Cheers!

Willem
Willem
Apr 2, 2020 5:26 PM
Reply to  clickkid

Thanks for asking, and apologies for not giving this info (I was too busy with my ‘own data’), which is there. It’s all in Dutch, hope that is not a problem

This is for today

https://www.rivm.nl/sites/default/files/2020-04/Epidemiologische%20situatie%20COVID-19%202%20april%202020.pdf

Especially the last pages are interesting

Page 17 is about IC units: currently 1200 people are admitted, while NL has 1100 IC beds (but upscaled to 1600)

Page 18 is about the PCR positives. It follows what I have been seeing: with an unchanged triage system you find

First weeks pcr positives 15%
Last week pcr positive 30%
Now: between 25-30% (maybe a trend downwards)

You can also see the ‘hotspot’ I have been talking about in the Eindhoven region and which I find difficult to comprehend (so I really need to think about that a bit more)

Hope this info is useful to you

Willem
Willem
Apr 2, 2020 5:46 PM
Reply to  Willem

‘ What we then have to do is to compare it to previous times and years – ie see if it is anomalous.’

Agreed. I will look for that, and then especially for the 2017-18 flu season.

What I found was that Dutch ICs were during that flu season overburdened too, but these claims were non-supported with numbers.

clickkid
clickkid
Apr 2, 2020 7:39 PM
Reply to  Willem

Dank u wel!

jay
jay
Apr 2, 2020 11:26 AM

My Comments and replies to the Ironically titled: ‘We need the Dunkirk spirit… time is running out’: Francis Crick Institute chief urges Boris Johnson to overrule control-freak public health chiefs and scale up mass testing across Britain TroflimLysenko, Stalingrad, United Kingdom, 20 minutes ago Spanish flu came just after WW1, people were malnurished, starving, ill and weak. There has not been anything since because there have been no similar circumstances. This ‘pandemic’ is thusfar only taking 1/15 of the deaths of a badish flu year. The deaths are being overstated, people are dying with it, not of it. Wehaveallhadenough, London, United Kingdom, 14 minutes ago You’re underestimating the strength of this virus. It isn’t the ‘flu’. It’s a mutated SARS virus. Please, don’t consider this to be the flu because it really isn’t. Doctors and nurses in the UK are reporting that young, healthy people are coming into A&E with… Read more »

clickkid
clickkid
Apr 2, 2020 11:03 AM

A formulation I’ve often read or heard goes something along these libes:

‘He was diagnosed as having the virus’ etc

This is a misuse of the word ‘diagnosed’.

Only somebody who has clinical symptoms can be diagnosed. If a particular virus is found in someone, then that by itself does not constitute a ‘diagnosis’.

Even when someone presents with clinical symptoms, then they are diagnosed with an illness – not a virus.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Apr 2, 2020 4:42 PM
Reply to  clickkid

Clickkid you’ve got me thinking now. Two years ago, someone I worked with had a really serious and prolonged bout of chronic chest problems and pain. She is of the minimum wage category of citizens in the UK so the NHS tend to be contemptuous of such people. It was not CV-19 – it was a recurring problem over the previous two years but this episode was causing severe problems. She was working a ton of overtime to pay the bills in a cold, hostile environment (an extremely badly run warehouse), was doing everything in the house because of a worthless husband and a worthless son and was single handedly running herself into the ground to pay their respective debts and the household billsl. Now, I took her to the A&E department of the local hospital because she was starting to feel faint, was burning up and was coughing blood.… Read more »

John Pretty
John Pretty
Apr 2, 2020 9:06 PM
Reply to  clickkid

Good point.

clickkid
clickkid
Apr 2, 2020 10:36 AM

I have been posting about how way overblown this thing is on a couple of mainstream sites in the last week or so.

I have noticed over the last couple of days that people are increasingly receptive to that message.

Let’s not forget that considered just in economic terms, that there are many, many losers from these draconian measures. Those with lost jobs, diminished incomes and destroyed businesses.

As we gradually mone out of the initial ‘Netflix and popcorn’ stage of this crisis, they are the natural constituency for the message of sanity.

George Mc
George Mc
Apr 2, 2020 10:42 AM
Reply to  clickkid

There has been an underlying suspicion amongst many people right from the start. It was worded in discrete murmurs and “jokes”. But I think there is bound to be an increasing receptivity as the weeks go by. So expect a huge wave of demonisation – the usual conspiracy phobic rants. Only this time backed up with a moralist outrage over “putting lives in danger”.

clickkid
clickkid
Apr 2, 2020 10:59 AM
Reply to  George Mc

Yes, the ‘hoax argument’ is, whatever you make of it, a non-starter for ‘normal people’.

What they can get their heads around is the concept, as elucidated here, that the economic cost of the measures taken, together with the resulting death and suffering, is completely disproportionate, and that therefore a rational strategy consists of protecting the vulnerable, rather than putting everybody into lockdown.

I also hammer home the distinction between dying ‘of’ the virus and dying ‘with’ the virus.

People are getting it.

George Mc
George Mc
Apr 2, 2020 11:12 AM
Reply to  clickkid

It truly is astonishing how so many people have no grasp of socio-economic matters. They are focussed on the virus and how it is “killing so many” etc. As for normal social activity, they just assume it will return just the way it was, and it will be back to the soaps and the beer and the fags etc. That people need to make money, need jobs, need services just doesn’t register with them – or they think it all will just work out OK anyway.

JohnB
JohnB
Apr 2, 2020 3:14 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Let’s not be slagging off beer and fags, George. 🙂

milosevic
milosevic
Apr 2, 2020 3:32 PM
Reply to  JohnB

evidence suggests that long-term consumption of “fags” is one of the primary risk factors for severe respiratory illnesses such as this.

a cynical person might observe that impoverishing millions of people, for the alleged benefit of a minority who ignored decades of warnings about the toxic effects of their drug habit, is somewhat unfair.

JohnB
JohnB
Apr 2, 2020 6:27 PM
Reply to  milosevic

evidence suggests that long-term consumption of “fags” is one of the primary risk factors for severe respiratory illnesses such as this.

evidence suggests putting everyday English words unnecessarily in quotes is some sort of NLP, milo. 🙂

‘severe’ – evidence, links ? 🙂

a cynical person might observe that impoverishing millions of people, …

by growing tobacco in my back garden ? get out of town.

… who ignored decades of warnings about the toxic effects of their drug habit

from the slime who’ve brought us covid19. A tad surprised you take the word of health agencies and governments as accurate. 🙂

Sheesh, you make a little joke …

Paul2
Paul2
Apr 2, 2020 7:15 PM
Reply to  JohnB

Legal cases covering radiation from polonium 210 in tobacco led me to stop in 2003 after smoking for over 20 years. More cases came out after that as referenced in the link, but I seem to remember a lot of it came down to choice of fertilizer. Also lots of talk off gag orders I recall from the reading I did back then, especially around the legal cases in Israel but this is a good overview for anyone interested in another corporate travesty that should be more widely known.

“Waking a Sleeping Giant: The Tobacco Industry’s Response to the Polonium-210 Issue”
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2509609/

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Apr 2, 2020 4:44 PM
Reply to  George Mc

George Mc – yes – also, they need to quantify the so called ‘putting lives in danger’ into reliable, confirmed stats.

Kate
Kate
Apr 5, 2020 10:26 AM
Reply to  George Mc

Unfortunately, George, most people don’t get the fact that, by conceiving and giving birth to them, their own parents are “putting their lives in danger”.

Jane
Jane
Apr 2, 2020 5:37 PM
Reply to  clickkid

You couldn’t get more mainstream than the Mail on Sunday or Good Morning Britain where Peter Hitchens is doing his best. The comments generally agree with his point of view, though not all. The other day there was a man complaining that his 85-year old mother, who suffered from dementia, leukemia and diabete, would die if she caught coronavirus so he had given up his job to look after her. I commented that at that age with three serious illnesses the common cold would probably finish her off. My comment wasn’t published no doubt because it sounded too callous.

John Pretty
John Pretty
Apr 2, 2020 9:08 PM
Reply to  Jane

Very true though!

Nimrod
Nimrod
Apr 2, 2020 9:19 AM

A very lucid and totally coherent analysis.

“The real problem we face today is not a virus. The greater problem is that people have failed to engage in critical thinking due to the fear promoted by some media and government officials.”

I couldn’t agree more.

Gall
Gall
Apr 2, 2020 8:21 AM

What ever happened to the Hippocratic Oath? Especially “do no harm”. Now it seems like the Hypocrites Oath. The “cure” worse than the disease. The operation was successful but the patient died.

I assume if they are running 24/7 about the “deadly” coronavirus that there is something else more sinister going on.

crank
crank
Apr 2, 2020 9:02 AM
Reply to  Gall

From Twitter somewhere:
‘To kill a fly we are burning down the house’.

JudyJ
JudyJ
Apr 2, 2020 9:40 AM
Reply to  crank

Why does that immediately conjure up an image of Sergei Skripal’s house? 😀

Gall
Gall
Apr 2, 2020 10:58 PM
Reply to  crank

ROFLMAO!

CantMakeThisStuffUp
CantMakeThisStuffUp
Apr 2, 2020 7:13 AM

Is your meth contaminated with coronavirus? Some police departments will test it for you
(CNN) – Some police departments are putting out fake warnings that illicit drugs could be contaminated with coronavirus in an effort to make drug arrests.

“Please bring the drugs to the police department and we will test them for free,” Atlantic Beach police posted on its Facebook page on Friday. “If you’re not comfortable coming to the police department, we will send an officer to your house and they’ll test your illegal drugs in the privacy of your home! Please spread the word!”

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Apr 2, 2020 11:34 AM

I take it that was put out on April 1st.

CantMakeThisStuffUp
CantMakeThisStuffUp
Apr 3, 2020 4:03 AM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

Nope, early March.

fred
fred
Apr 2, 2020 3:47 AM

Anti-Vaxxer Biologist Stefan Lanka Bets Over $100K Measles Isn’t A Virus; He Wins In German Federal Supreme Court
“The judges at the German Federal Supreme Court (BGH) confirmed in a recent ruling that measles virus do not exist though. Furthermore: There is not a single scientific study in the world which could prove the existence of such virus so far. ”

The science on this is hard to understand, so at first he lost the case in lower court, but in higher court he won the case. Take note that the pro-vaccine websites only report his initial loss, they don’t talk about his victory later on. Think about that. And ask yourself the question what are they putting in the so called measles vaccine?

SteveEss
SteveEss
Apr 2, 2020 1:36 AM

I dunno… This article has a shaky foundation to begin with, and far too many estimates/projections to juggle competently all at once… Obviously the answer to the title query is “Yes!” I’m not even gonna argue about the base premise of 155,000 cov-19 caused deaths… Nor the four critical areas of impact… I’ll play along… But when the author extrapolates it all out using a mysterious multiplier of 6 years (it’s as if he plucked it out of thin air!), I’m out… “Some think that the economy will recover in three years and others think it will never recover…” So the author ‘picks’ 6 years (makes perfect sense to me! 😆) Why not use 10, or 8, or 5, or 3, or… hey… how ’bout 1 year…??? One year it is… CONCLUSION cov-19 caused deaths = 155,000 cov-19 response deaths = 379,000 (×2.45) So yeah, the answer’s still “Yes!” ‘Nuff… Read more »

SteveEss
SteveEss
Apr 2, 2020 1:37 AM
Reply to  SteveEss

Sorry Off-G, no offense meant…
You can’t hit a home run every time…😊

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 2, 2020 3:51 AM
Reply to  SteveEss

Agree with what you say, Steve.

Kevin Ryan is a fake 9/11 whistleblower and this piece is a bit of priming propaganda. See my comment below – https://off-guardian.org/2020/04/01/could-the-covid19-response-be-more-deadly-than-the-virus/#comment-137929.

Greg Bacon
Greg Bacon
Apr 2, 2020 7:40 PM
Reply to  SteveEss

Tell me oh wise one! From Jan 1 to March 20 of this year, how many deaths were from COVID and how many from seasonal flu, world-wide?
21,297 from COVID and 113,034 from seasonal flu.

Guess we better lock down the entire planet every flu season?

https://www.worldometers.info/

Stop falling for the fear mongering. The Deep State and its rabid pets, the CIA/MI6/Mossad are trying to get a war on with China, don’t let them lie to us like they did after 9/11.

Gary Weglarz
Gary Weglarz
Apr 2, 2020 5:09 AM

Thanks for the link Louie. If I run out of toilet paper I’ll be sure to print your article.

Gall
Gall
Apr 2, 2020 8:25 AM
Reply to  Gary Weglarz

Looks like that article is what’s on used toilet paper. Thanks Louis for more verbal diarrhea.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 2, 2020 6:09 AM

If you’re intellectually honest and courageous you will answer these questions. If not …

1. Do you believe that people can be miraculously cured of COVID-19 by the anti-malarial chloroquine as alleged by this 52 year-old “miracle survivor” who was “gaspin'”, “at the brink of death” and thought his “days were done”?
https://youtu.be/8QGXpeo2V9w?t=74

2a. If not, why do you think the media is publicising this story without issuing warnings?

2b. If yes, can you explain why you believe that?

jay
jay
Apr 2, 2020 6:24 AM

You called someone a ‘truther’, you’ve still to explain what you mean by this, thanks.

clickkid
clickkid
Apr 2, 2020 8:11 AM
Reply to  jay

Yes, I want to know what you mean by that also.

A drive-by comment about ‘truthers’.

The word ‘truth’ generally has positive associations.

So, yes, Louis, what do you mean by ‘truther’?

George Mc
George Mc
Apr 2, 2020 9:36 AM
Reply to  jay

“Truther”, “conspiracist”, “Assadist”, something called the “Baathist Amen Quarter” etc. They basically all mean “bastards”,”bastards”, “bastards” and “bastards”.

Reg
Reg
Apr 2, 2020 10:15 AM
Reply to  jay

The thing that baffles me about Louis and others of his kind is: what do they want out of life? What is it that they’re working towards? Presumably they are human beings with human emotions, sentiments, desires, wishes and, I suppose, decency, right? They have children and they want to see these children grow up in a world that’s not wracked with cynicism, misery and despair, I should think. So do they actually get up in the morning, see everything around them in flames and go: “Yeah, I fucking love this! How can I help to make it even worse?” I’d bet most Off-Guardianistas are fed up with a world in which there seems to be no alternative but death and destruction. But for some reason Louis has made it his life’s work to direct every ounce of his energy to opposing this line of thought. And he has an… Read more »

clickkid
clickkid
Apr 2, 2020 12:22 PM
Reply to  Reg

“Thas nowt queerer than folk”

Yorkshire saying.

milosevic
milosevic
Apr 2, 2020 2:15 PM
Reply to  Reg

What seems to be the motivating force in Louis and his band of brothers?

— they’re crypto-zionists, that’s what. that’s why they shill so hard for the destruction of Syria by the CIA’s drooling Wahhabi death squads, and the 9/11 false flag event that provided the pretext for the destruction of Iraq.

http://www.columbia.edu/%7Elnp3/mydocs/jewish.htm

Jane
Jane
Apr 2, 2020 6:01 PM
Reply to  Reg

You have to feel sorry for Louis. He writes long articles several times a week and never gets more than about five comments maximum. He must be jealous of sites like OffG. Interestingly, I read somewhere that he only started writing for Counterpunch around 2011, coinciding with the start of the war in Syria, and the subsequent decline in the quality of what appears in Counterpunch, of which he is now one of the editors and which I no longer read. I know for a fact, because I have contacted them, that the journalists Diana Johnstone and Rick Sterling received the same treatment from Counterpunch as CJ Hopkins.

Waldorf
Waldorf
Apr 2, 2020 7:56 PM
Reply to  Reg

Proyect is as far as I can make out an ex-leftie who hates the left, and tends to reinforce the current dominant ideas in society. Perhaps it’s lucrative, I don’t know. Poachers turned gamekeepers etc.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Apr 2, 2020 8:23 AM

More proyectile vomiting from the alleged unrepentant ‘marxist’.
And you have the gall to call this site ‘conspiracist’ and full of ‘truthers’.
Look in the mirror Louis. Pot. Kettle?
I have a policy of ignoring your deluded rants, but this time am making one exception.
What a truly vile, repulsive peice of work you are. By the way, have you apologised to Vanessa Beeley yet?

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 2, 2020 8:41 AM

Louis Proyectile and the salafist head-loppers-happy bed-fellows.

George Mc
George Mc
Apr 2, 2020 9:33 AM

Your article isn’t total bollocks, Louis. The bits where you quote Peter Hitchens and Piers Robinson are good.

giordanobruno
giordanobruno
Apr 2, 2020 2:06 PM
Reply to  George Mc

I find some fascinating stuff on this site but also stuff that stretches credulity.
But it would help if comments explained why this Louis is wrong rather than just throwing abuse in his direction. That only makes it appear to the casual reader (me) that he is speaking uncomfortable truth.

milosevic
milosevic
Apr 2, 2020 3:42 PM
Reply to  giordanobruno

what uncomfortable truth was he speaking? it’s just the usual guilt-by-association BS these people always employ, because they have no rational argument.

giordanobruno
giordanobruno
Apr 2, 2020 8:32 PM
Reply to  milosevic

I’m only saying from reading the commenting policy;

‘BE POLITE. We understand debates get heated and we accept a certain degree of colourful language can creep in, but empty ad hom or extreme personal abuse is strongly discouraged.’
Now I haven’t visited this site much so maybe that policy is not really enforced but the replies to Louis are definitely full of gratuitous ad hom.
And it tends to make the casual reader wonder why it is necessary and why it is allowed.

George Mc
George Mc
Apr 2, 2020 8:53 PM
Reply to  giordanobruno

Ah Louis is always so civilised and polite – as here:

https://louisproyect.org/2015/06/08/a-reply-to-cult-leader-david-north-on-an-american-first-strike-on-russia/

Note first of all that the grotesque photo labelled “David North” is not in fact David North.

Now note:

If the CP was syphilis in Trotsky’s eyes, this tiny group is not much more than a case of the crabs.

The SEP (Socialist Equality Party) described as “the SEP-tic group” and further described as

a sideshow, a freak show to be more accurate, that only exists because David Green is a cockroach capitalist who can afford to pay the staff that blindly follows his diktat. What sorry scum you are.

He also described Vanessa Beeley as “too ugly to fuck”.

Now tell me again about gratuitous ad homs.

giordanobruno
giordanobruno
Apr 2, 2020 9:25 PM
Reply to  George Mc

So they are allowed then? Ok!

George Mc
George Mc
Apr 2, 2020 10:07 PM
Reply to  giordanobruno

Ask Louis.

George Mc
George Mc
Apr 2, 2020 6:05 PM
Reply to  giordanobruno

Well let’s just put it this way Gio – when a Marxist (and an unrepentant one at that) continually dishes up views that are indistinguishable from the government line and the mainstream media then I smell an enormous rat.

giordanobruno
giordanobruno
Apr 2, 2020 8:24 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Well then if this site is making the same argument as far right sites as Louis says should you not also smell a similar rat?

George Mc
George Mc
Apr 2, 2020 8:58 PM
Reply to  giordanobruno

I certainly do – and it’s Louis again. This time with the old guilt-by-association. If Off-G agree with something Peter Hitchens said, that does not make them Tories. But Louis indiscriminately slaps on these labels anyway.

giordanobruno
giordanobruno
Apr 2, 2020 9:32 PM
Reply to  George Mc

‘when a Marxist (and an unrepentant one at that) continually dishes up views that are indistinguishable from the government line and the mainstream media then I smell an enormous rat.’
‘ If Off-G agree with something Peter Hitchens said, that does not make them Tories.’

Surely it would be better just to address the actual views rather than tying yourself up in knots trying to second guess people’s motives?

George Mc
George Mc
Apr 2, 2020 10:08 PM
Reply to  giordanobruno

Again – ask Louis.

giordanobruno
giordanobruno
Apr 2, 2020 11:33 PM
Reply to  George Mc

Ok thanks George.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Apr 2, 2020 11:04 PM
Reply to  George Mc

I smelt an enormous rat about Louis ages ago. Repeated DDoS attacks on this site didn’t work.
Perhaps someone has sent out instructions for their gatekeepers to stick the boot into OffG? Throw mud so to speak.
My first rule of thumb is that any alleged ‘socialist’ or ‘progressive’ who is regurgitating establishment propaganda is neither, and a big red flag goes up with me.
Again, refer to Udo Ulfkotte and his revelations about bought journalists. Same applies to alleged ‘left figures’.

Waldorf
Waldorf
Apr 4, 2020 9:53 AM
Reply to  George Mc

I have encountered his writings on other forums and as far as he is concerned people who disagree with him are fools and knaves. I suspect a personality disorder of some kind. If he is that unpleasant in personal life he is a lonely individual indeed.
Mind you, keyboard warriors are often fairly meek in person – they have to be as this is the way to avoid getting beaten up.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 3, 2020 5:54 AM
Reply to  giordanobruno

Giordano (not your real name right?), I posed a perfectly civil question to him that he didn’t answer. A person with any intellectual honesty and courage always responds to questions that challenge their beliefs. Of course, he certainly isn’t the only one who doesn’t answer questions inconvenient to their beliefs. The people who do not answer questions inconvenient to their beliefs are far greater in number than those who do, unfortunately.

giordanobruno
giordanobruno
Apr 3, 2020 5:20 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Petra I don’t see any issue with your questions and he should try to answer them.
Other comments seemed to be pretty much ad hominem so I was just wondering about whether dissenting voices are tolerated.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 3, 2020 11:58 PM
Reply to  giordanobruno

I receive quite a few ad hominems on this site myself, giordano, and if you look at Louis’s website you’ll see he delivers them too. His last comment on Piers Robinson’s recent article was pretty antagonistic – https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/28/the-propaganda-of-terror-and-fear-a-lesson-from-recent-history/#comment-134817). I think Louis invites ad hominems by his own antagonistic attitude whereas it seems I invite them merely because of my evidence-based claims that contradict people’s beliefs, the most notable one being that death and injury were staged on 9/11. People really take umbrage to that even though it’s the only thing that makes sense if 9/11 is an inside job – which it clearly is. The evidence for staged death and injury is also abundant. I push my argument as best I can and delight in the lack of censorship. The ad hominems one takes on the chin while plodding on with one’s message of truth. I wonder what you think… Read more »

Trots-R-Us
Trots-R-Us
Apr 2, 2020 5:38 PM

I visited your site for the first time Louis. I noticed on the right-side panel you have a list of articles shown under the heading of “blogroll”

Trots-R-Us
Trots-R-Us
Apr 2, 2020 5:42 PM
Reply to  Trots-R-Us

The strikeout text function is not showing clearly above, so let me absolutely clear now:

blogroll bogroll”

RobG
RobG
Apr 2, 2020 12:45 AM

The western media’s propaganda campaign against China has started to reach a fever pitch over the last few days. This is probably why…

https://www.brecorder.com/2020/03/17/580793/pakistan-china-and-russia-decide-to-conduct-trade-in-local-currencies-skip-dollars/

The rapid collapse of the petrodollar is a wonder to behold. The psychos will now, of course, try to start a world war against Russia and China.

Gary Weglarz
Gary Weglarz
Apr 2, 2020 1:32 AM
Reply to  RobG

Thanks for sharing that link Rob.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 2, 2020 12:02 AM

I fail to understand why the fundamentals of what is happening are not faced square on. The alleged COVID-19 pandemic is a massive psychological operation (psyop) sharing hallmarks such as ridiculous stories of “miracle survivors” and other obviously deliberate nonsense that they push out in their psyops. We knew from Day One with the alleged Chinese cobras, many-banded kraits, pangolins, foxes, bats and hedgehogs being a reservoir, people falling flat on their faces, people laid out in the streets and on hospital floors, empty buildings said to be converted to hospitals within 48 hours with unconvincing visual evidence provided, etc. We also know from pre-pandemic activity – Event 201, the tabletop pandemic exercise, so very coincidentally held in October last year, CDC advertising for quarantine officers in November, and we know from the entertainment industry with films such as Contagion and Simpsons episode, The Fool Monty, S22/E6. https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/blog/coronavirus-hoax-jan-2020 Kevin Ryan… Read more »

wardropper
wardropper
Apr 2, 2020 1:26 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

This would all be “faced square on” if it were not the case that the “authorities” (NWO), along with the western governments they have infected far more insidiously than any CoVid has done, have an interest in manipulating the crisis to conceal their past, present and planned misdemeanours under its cover. For example: 1. Government insisting upon carrying on as if real money existed, despite the current financial chaos resulting from the fact that it doesn’t. 2. Governments anxious to see Julian Assange die as soon as possible (of “Corona”?), without wishing the charge of outright murder to be on everyone’s lips. 3. The effective scare-mongering of the people into remaining in their homes so that they will not join the popular Gilets Jaunes. 4. The putting into place new systems of crowd control which will not be removed when CoVid subsides, as it will. 5. The focusing of the… Read more »

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 2, 2020 2:20 AM
Reply to  wardropper

I’m really baffled wardropper at how people do not understand certain fundamentals of psyops. When it was first explained to me I had no doubts because the evidence clearly fitted what was explained. I’ll go through them and pose questions that I’d appreciate your answering the last question after mentally going through the first eight. Psyop characteristic 1 They always give us the clues in such things as ridiculousness, eg, the second plane popping out of the South tower, terrorists popping up alive and in the case of COVID-19, the Chinese cobra and the many-banded krait being reservoirs, people being cured of the virus by the anti-malarial chloroquine. Q1. Do you agree that they always give us clues? Psyop characteristic 2 They never fake anything so well that it can be used by a believer of the story to brandish it in support of it – they are utterly meticulous… Read more »

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 2, 2020 4:13 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Just one more question, wardropper.

Does the notion that death and injury were real on 9/11 feel more comfortable to you than the notion that they were staged?

If yes, why do you think that might be?

Germs Bond
Germs Bond
Apr 2, 2020 4:31 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

1) How do you fake things so well that there are no clues that it was not real? 2) That is gross. 3) Perhaps they didn’t want an identifiable body. Agreed it proves skullduggery but not necessarily that no one was killed. 4) Personally no evidence but how did they bring down the buildings without killing the occupants? What reason do you have for stating that the buildings were unoccupied when when it would be natural for them to be occupied at that time? 5) It was a staged terrorist attack that is the point of it. 6) Psychopaths staged a terrorist attack. It would be remarkably suspicious if no one died it. 7) The burden of proof might be on you. Some people at least were visible in the buildings following the hits by the so-called planes. You seem to be making a huge assumption. That’s not necessarily to… Read more »

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 2, 2020 5:08 AM
Reply to  Germs Bond

3. It doesn’t prove no one was killed, true, however, it favours the always two-part psyop hypothesis, “staged and they tell us it’s staged ” over “real”. “Staged+tell us” fits perfectly whereas for “real” we have to wonder why they showed us this fake body. 4. They brought down WTC-7 completely evacuated so why not the twin towers? As the plane crashes were faked the smoke we see in the buildings could have been confined to empty floors (or similar) so whatever they did to fake the alleged crashes they could have ensured had no impact on any people in the buildings and we can infer that there were few people in the buildings in the first place – lots of floors were said to be empty, it was before office hours, and I read that there were subway drills that would have prevented people entering the buildings anyway. 5.… Read more »

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Apr 2, 2020 12:55 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Don’t get me wrong – I think that 9/11 stinks to high heaven, and I have never doubted that it was in some way an “inside job”. However, what do you say about the people leaping to their deaths from the burning buildings?

i.e. There definitely were some deaths.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 2, 2020 1:28 PM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

Dummies, Mike. Russ Winter’s article, World Trade Center’s Infamous 91st-Floor Israeli ‘Art Student’ Project, explains how Israeli students engaged in an “art project” on certain floors of the North tower, removed windows and took photos from helicopters. While we can infer that anything to do with Israelis at the WTC serves as propaganda both to distract from the primary culprits and to make the bombing of the buildings containing all those people more plausible with outsiders doing the dastardly deed, we can also see how the “art project” would have provided the footage of the jumpers to be inserted into the 9/11 story on the day. https://www.winterwatch.net/2018/09/world-trade-centers-infamous-91st-floor-israeli-art-student-project-2/ In this video we see people at the windows with smoke, however, the smoke looks quite benign and also as if it is emanating virtually from the window itself at regular intervals as if being pumped from a machine. The lack of clarity… Read more »

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 2, 2020 1:48 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

And just to add that the footage above would have been taken at another time. No doubt there was masses of pre-recorded footage in the “9/11 story”.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Apr 2, 2020 6:30 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Petra the key words are I****i students. Dubya used this to invade Iraq for its oil and then went on to destroy prosperous Middle East countries who were turning against the petrodollar. Students or a Mo***d operation? I know which one I believe it is.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 2, 2020 11:26 PM
Reply to  Jo Dominich

See how good the propaganda is, Jo? I’m speaking of them as art students without quotation marks when obviously yes, Mossad.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 2, 2020 1:33 PM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

Also, Richard Drew, the photographer of the so-called Falling Man which appeared on the cover of Time magazine, just happened to be behind Robert F Kennedy when he was assassinated to capture photos of that historic event – amazing coincidence, no?
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a48031/the-falling-man-tom-junod/

So brazen. He’s in the Hangman position.

Interestingly, this person who’s into tarot talks about the Hangman position of the jumper. She doesn’t believe it’s an inside job so it’s interesting how she recognises the position but just thinks it happened naturally.
https://www.thechannelling.co.nz/blog/911-and-the-tarot

milosevic
milosevic
Apr 2, 2020 2:29 PM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

— she claims that they were 13-foot tall dummies tossed out of the windows by deep-state operatives, so as to fool the public into thinking that people died, whereas nobody actually died throughout the whole operation.

no kidding, that’s what she actually thinks. or at least pretends to.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 2, 2020 11:28 PM
Reply to  milosevic

You are lying, milo. I recognised my mistake many of your lying comments on this ago. Please never refer to the 13-foot dummies again. I will reference this link and point to it each time you lie about it.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 2, 2020 5:16 AM
Reply to  Germs Bond

Forgot to respond to your response to Q1.

Huh? What I’m saying is that, counterintuitively, they actively don’t fake things so well and yet they can still fool us. That’s the paradox. They give us the clues that they’re fooling us – big ones, in fact – and yet we are still fooled. And this is not to mention the anomalies that occur naturally. So clever, no? I mean you gotta hand it to them, although really they don’t deserve much credit – the technique has been passed down through the centuries and I mean they get zero resistance from the plebs who are always at the ready with open mouths like baby birds to gulp down the propaganda … and censure and censor those who don’t.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Apr 2, 2020 6:10 PM
Reply to  Germs Bond

Germs Bond, you are right – the USA do not have any value at all for human life, none at all. Just look at their justice system. Winston Churchill (a charlatan and idiot) said something true, he said the mark of a civilised society is how it treats its prisoners. Well, just look at the USA prison system. It’s rank. However, you ask the right questions and that’s not to say that Petra is wrong. What is a fact is that the adjoining buildings to the World Trade Centre which housed high level Government officials appeared to be all empty at that time of the morning. The same with the Pentagon, the alleged plane that went into the side of it – was clearly a fake photograph but also, it happened to hit the side of the Pentagon which was closed for repairs and therefore, no staff were in it.… Read more »

Greg Bacon
Greg Bacon
Apr 2, 2020 7:42 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Are you a CIA/MI6/Mossad asset or do you just like to scare the hell out of people?

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 2, 2020 11:46 PM
Reply to  Greg Bacon

As soon as I saw the name first name Greg in my emails I knew it would be Greg Bacon, firefighter or alleged firefighter, and good old controlled opposition. The oldest trick in the book, isn’t it, Greg? The controlled opposition calls out either other controlled opposition as controlled opposition to bamboozle people or they accuse the genuine people such as myself. Perhaps you can explain, Greg, why the Firefighters for 9/11 Truth and Unity webpage looks as pathetic as it does, considering 343 firefighters allegedly died on 9/11 while the Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth is so damn fancy … and we don’t know of a single architect or engineer who died on 9/11. (See webpage below for links). Point 9 on webpage, 3,000 dead and 6,000 injured a lie https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/3000-dead-and-6000-injured-a-lie.html Missing – expected evidence for the 343 firefighters who died on 9/11 On August 12, 2005, more… Read more »

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 3, 2020 12:29 AM
Reply to  Greg Bacon

Oh, and Greg, perhaps you can explain the molten metal running down the “channel rails” that Philip Ruvolo and his mates are talking about in this otherwise excellent video made to the song, I Believe in Miracles, by Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth (it was clever and also nice of them to pay respect to David Ray Griffin’s “miracles” theme). It wasn’t molten metal at Ground Zero was it? https://youtu.be/71fwKA9Udso I see Philip was in the film, Collateral Damages. They love connecting their events don’t they? “Collateral Damages” about the poor first responders suffering after 9/11 and “Collateral Murder” for the faked video of US soldiers shooting civilians in Iraq that Chelsea heroically leaked to Wikileaks. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0368656/?ref_=nm_knf_t1 Another thing connecting 9/11 and Wikileaks are the fake FOIAs: — 9/11 fake FOIA issued by the New York Times to New York City to get the “oral histories” released — Reuters… Read more »

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Apr 3, 2020 1:58 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

This is getting very off topic. Would you mind steering it back round to deal with the issues ATL? Thanks. A2

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 3, 2020 2:38 AM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

Sure. I really only wanted to make the point that Kevin Ryan is a 9/11 fake whistleblower from which we infer an intelligence asset and thus his article, as detected by George Mc, unaware of that fact, is priming propaganda. SteveEss also noticed strange extrapolations made in the article.

My other comments on the subject have simply been to others replying to my comment. And, of course, one is very much obliged to respond to controlled opposition accusing one of being an agent oneself and certainly to make the point resoundingly so it doesn’t look as though one is simply trading insults.

I certainly won’t initiate any more comments on the subject but if people reply to mine I hope you will feel it OK if I answer, however, when I do, I’ll mention that things are going too much off-topic and that I’ll engage no more beyond my response.

Rhisiart Gwilym
Rhisiart Gwilym
Apr 3, 2020 10:18 PM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

And way off world, into Petra’s lavishly upholstered delusion-world. Skip over it, like me.

Fair dinkum
Fair dinkum
Apr 2, 2020 12:00 AM

With the massive increase in gun purchases in the US, there will inevitably be an increase in gun violence and fatalities.
We can be sure the paramilitary police forces are locked and loaded.

JohnB
JohnB
Apr 2, 2020 10:39 AM
Reply to  Fair dinkum

Tish. Evidence/link ? This is as credible as a government covid19 prediction.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Apr 1, 2020 11:30 PM

Title: COVID-19 Virus Conspiracy? Deceptive Agenda, Censorship, : Part 5 – Dr. Rashid A. Buttar

Worrying signs of YT censorship. If you find a worthwhile YT video, try to save it before it disappears.

Cicatriz
Cicatriz
Apr 1, 2020 11:47 PM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

Torrent them, too, if you’re okay with that kind of thing.

JudyJ
JudyJ
Apr 1, 2020 11:50 PM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

Mike I’ve watched Parts 3 and 5 and it is compelling stuff. I don’t feel in a position to comment on whether it is truly plausible (there are others far more astute than I am). Dr Rashid Buttar has what would appear to be a dodgy professional record but that doesn’t necessarily mean that what he says isn’t true. For the benefit of others I suggest they watch the broadcast labelled Part 5 first as it puts everything in context and is the latest update. Basically Dr Buttar is saying that Covid19 is a hoax on a massive global scale in which “the [man made] virus is not the danger, but the remedy is”, this being a drive to forced mass vaccination, and the control and manipulation of whole populations of people. Among other things he cites evidence he has of fraudulent footage and lies about overrun hospitals. He claims… Read more »

Doctortrinate
Doctortrinate
Apr 1, 2020 11:21 PM

The Covid Reaction – an Electronic Stitch-up.

Microsoft founder Bill Gates announced on March 18, 2020 during a “Reddit ‘Ask Me Anything’ session” that he is working on a new, invisible “quantum dot tattoo” implant that will track who has been tested for COVID-19 and who has been vaccinated against it.

Gates is simultaneously working on the ID2020 Certification Mark, which according to pymnts.com utilizes “immunization to serve as a platform for digital identity”.

https://savedmag.com/bill-gates-quantum-dot-digital-tattoo-implant-to-track-covid-19-vaccine-compliance/

[repeated text removed. A2]

Doctortrinate
Doctortrinate
Apr 2, 2020 1:21 AM
Reply to  Doctortrinate

Cheers – A2

Gall
Gall
Apr 2, 2020 8:31 AM
Reply to  Doctortrinate

Gates reminds me of geekier version Rockefeller. Who will save us from our “saviors”?

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 1, 2020 11:20 PM

The devastation of small businesses will allow the parasite controlled hedge funds and vulture funds, being so generously funded by the private banking cartel the Federal Reserve and the bankster slum-lord Mnuchin, to buy them up wholesale on the cheap, just as they bought up millions of residential properties on the cheap after the 2008 controlled demolition of the economy. Disaster capitalism, the highest form of parasitism, at work, driven by insatiable greed and millennial hatred and contempt for others.

Guy
Guy
Apr 1, 2020 11:08 PM

This article is a moderate analysis of projected numbers ,unemployed,suicide and death due lack of healthcare .
Right now it does not bode well for an economic return to yesteryear .It might be a very bum by ride going forward.
At the very best ,we can hope that this economic depression coming straight for us all will be a turning point in the economic/political system that has brought here to start with.As the covid19 is probably just an excuse to crash a system that is no longer functional.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Apr 1, 2020 11:02 PM

Much appreciate this Kit, and everything OffG has done on this. I also noted the warning from Dr Sucharit Bhakdi in his video the other day. It’s now over 5 days since I had any income. I was selling The Big Issue mag in Australia (after my factory job was sent to China) We have been told all mag operations are suspended until further notice. I know of other New Zealanders who arrived in Australia in the last few years – and none of us are entitled to any welfare in Australia. Perhaps over 200000 Kiwi’s plus all the overseas backpackers now stranded in Australia with no jobs and no income. A young Kiwi lady who lost her job at The Body Shop told me she had barely 3 weeks rent money in her bank. I have the equivalent of about 13 weeks rent put away plus about 4 weeks… Read more »

jay
jay
Apr 1, 2020 11:50 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

People are being bribed in the UK to ‘enjoy their confinement’, paid 80% of their wages.
I think many will have difficulties, much of the provisions appear half-assed.
Not all businesses will be protected…not all jobs
They could be corona free but on the streets. People do not know the horrible, one sided gamble that has been made for them. Until you have faced that, they are clueless. I have hit rock bottom, on the street…Thank Christ, He helped me.
340000 homeless on the UK streets, Boris cares, sure.
1000 died last year.
20000 froze to death.
I’ll thank God and Christ that I am not on the street, only through them are we saved and free.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Apr 2, 2020 12:13 AM
Reply to  jay

I know Jay…. ‘walk a mile in my shoes’.
You were on the streets? That would have been so tough, especially in the UK (winter time). Did you ever sell The Big Issue or do odd jobs or anything?
I’ve never actually been on the streets, but have come very close few times.
The politicians only care about your vote at the next election.
Just found out then have been given a 3 month rent freeze from the housing organisation I’m with, then saw your reply. Right now I’m grateful and humble for anything that helps.
Appreciate your reply Jay😁

jay
jay
Apr 2, 2020 6:42 AM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Sometime ago, my relationship collapsed. I was in court (my own stupidity) then released with a warning, they’d lost my shoes. So there I was walking about town with no shoes, no where to go.
By providence, my father had came and found me. I still don’t know He had heard or how He found me. We had fallen out a while back. So, I did ‘face’ homelessness and I was on the street but only an afternoon.
I was mindless back then, eating hash and had fallen into degeneracy.
I have changed a lot since then, I did my engineering degree and found Christ…
I have never had such peace of mind.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Apr 2, 2020 7:02 AM
Reply to  jay

Good Morning Jay😁… I like your comments, aye. Was just going back thru the last few stories on the Coronavirus.
Been coming on this site over 1.5 years, and never seen so many comments!
I can relate to parts of your reply, and have been thru the ringer myself so to speak.
I fully agree with you that it’s important to have faith… In a God, in a Higher Power, in something greater than ourselves. Especially in times like now.
I hope your day goes well, take care.

Ishmael
Ishmael
Apr 2, 2020 8:55 AM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Gezzah, the ‘Mulga Mumblebrain’ materialising here is a plagiarising phony-the real Mulga died of embarrassment some time ago, and resurrection is not expected.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Apr 2, 2020 2:31 PM
Reply to  Ishmael

Ishmael… yes, correct, that Mulga from 2018 is no longer, finished, gone to that great pseudonym heaven in the sky…. But a.. And that’s all I can say.
As I said, my lips are sealed. Sorry😁

jay
jay
Apr 2, 2020 10:41 AM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Many thanks.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Apr 2, 2020 6:46 PM
Reply to  jay

Jay, interestingly enough, I thank God also that I am housed. Lord Melvyn King – the former head of the Bank of England was on a Forum this morning with a couple of other financial bodies. When asked about Sunak’s financial intervention he said it was too complicated, too m any thresholds and too many restrictions. It should have been far more simple. Yet, Sunak has not made necessary changes to Universal Credit that would result in early payments, simpler assessments and proper rent payments although I have to say, he has made some changes to it to raise the cap on the rent threshold and introduced a new style Job Seeker’s Allowance which is far simpler. UC in this country has resulted in 150,000 deaths (confirmed by the DWP) of starvation, suicide, hypothermia, 500% increase in homelessness and other factors. Yet successive Tory Governments have refused to make any… Read more »

RobG
RobG
Apr 2, 2020 12:21 AM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Gezzah, these are worrying times, but I for one remain optimistic. The coming weeks and months are going to be very difficult (to put it mildly) because the world is going through a major reset and life will never be the same again; but it’s a reset that badly needs to happen, and after the initial turmoil I firmly believe that things will settle down for the better, mad fool that I am. At least you’ve got a little bit of a cushion behind you. A very large number of people have next to nothing and will be left totally destitute by the deliberate crashing of the global economy, which is why I think that there’s going to be major civil unrest, starting in the next few weeks. I believe the psychopaths who rule us have badly overstepped the mark with this one, and they are going to pay a… Read more »

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Apr 2, 2020 12:55 AM
Reply to  RobG

Merci Rob…. I hear what you say, and appreciate your feedback. Right now, I wouldn’t mind being in a little village near Montauban, but my reality is I’m in a City of 5 million in the Southern Hemisphere.
Millions in United States are only 1 paycheck away from financial disaster.
I also believe there will be major civil unrest and riots as people become really desperate. And really hungry.
The Gilets Jaunes have given all of us a truly inspirational example of what can be done when people unite together…
Cheers Rob

milosevic
milosevic
Apr 2, 2020 7:59 AM
Reply to  RobG

don’t forget to sharpen your pitchfork.

for those who bittorrent:

https://yts.mx/movie/one-nation-one-king-2018

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Apr 2, 2020 6:50 PM
Reply to  RobG

Hi Rob, pitchfork to hand, geared up to join civil unrest. Long live the Revolution. Liberte, Fraternite, Egalite!

clickkid
clickkid
Apr 2, 2020 8:22 AM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Thanks for the personal contribution Gezzah.

Any possibility of joining with other Kiwis there on a collective basis, in order to achieve something?

Best Wishes.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Apr 2, 2020 9:57 AM
Reply to  clickkid

Thanks C😁. Yeah, there’s a Kiwi run social welfare group in Melbourne specifically dealing with Kiwi’s in Australia (Melbourne) who have lost jobs (with no access to Govt welfare benefits) or who are homeless.
I think there’s a NZ social group as well, but to date have been busy out selling the mag, and have done well enough with it that I havn’t needed any assistance.
I have had offers of help from a few of my Aussie customers tho.
But you’re right…. the old adage:
United we stand divided we fall. I do need to reach out to other people who are in a similar predicament.
And despite the lockdowns and other things, it is relatively calm now. In 2 or 3 months time, it won’t be. Maybe even less than that.
Appreciate your reply…

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Apr 2, 2020 6:38 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Gezzah, here in the UK I too have been laid off but my employers, being decent people, have written to me saying when this is over they will reemploy me as they were very happy with my work. I have put a claim in for Universal Credit and it has taken me a week of day to day continuous telephoning to get through on the phone to arrange an appointment. I had to hold for 4hrs today to achieve this but at the end of the line was a really nice young women who sounded really demoralised as they were dealing with such a high volume of calls as to be rats in a lab situation. I thanked her for being on the end of the line and advised her things would pass if she could just keep her moral up she would stay sane. We had a bit of… Read more »

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Apr 2, 2020 10:17 PM
Reply to  Jo Dominich

Thanks for the reply Jo. As you pointed out, the Govt in Australia is made up of a far right pentecostal Christian, Scott Morrison as Prime Minister and some Cabinet Ministers who are, to be blunt, complete psychopaths. Apparently, last week NZ Prime Minister, Jacinda Ardern rang Morrison pleading to him to help Kiwi’s stuck here, and from my understanding he has refused to lift a finger and said ‘New Zealanders need to find their own way home’. I have avoided the MSM filth as much as possible, so don’t know if that situation has changed. My passport expired last year, so I can’t even leave if I wanted to. What was your job? Are you in London or another large City? Pretty much everyone I know fully buys into what the authorities are doing, and just cannot see what has happened. Sadly, they seem hypnotised by the MSM. Homelessness… Read more »

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Apr 3, 2020 6:12 PM
Reply to  Gezzah Potts

Hi Gezzah, I work as a legal secretary in construction litigation. The company I work for is very professional with high standards and has a very low staff turnover. I hadn’t been there long enough to reach the criteria for the Government’s ‘furlough scheme’ – stood down with 80% pay. For London, it is not a large firm but a good one. I live in good ol’ suburbia outside London so commute by tube into work. God save me from evangelical born again Christians by the way especially USA ones. I am religious but in a main stream faith so to speak. I have met quite a few dissenters on my evening walks as it happens it just seems to me that nobody wants to say it publicly! Today, standing in the orderly queue in Marks and Spencers for food, I got chatting to a member of staff who was… Read more »

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Apr 3, 2020 10:38 PM
Reply to  Jo Dominich

Hi Jo, thanks. Yes, I avoid the evangelical Christians as much as possible, tho when you’re out selling The Big Issue mag, you tend to be a bit of a beacon for them! 3 of my 4 grandparents emigrated to New Zealand from the UK (2 from England, one from Scotland and a grandmother from Ireland). I think my Nana came from the Bromley area in London, so that’s my connection with the UK. So you get no income as well Jo? Can you apply for the dole? Didn’t realise you had to be employed a certain length of time to get the 80% pay… In the last 2.5 weeks here in Melbourne, only met 2 people who verbally called this out as a scam, one had similar views to mine, that’s its to cover for the implosion of the financial system (used as an alibi) the other was quite… Read more »

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Apr 1, 2020 10:55 PM

Part 4 of the one posted below.

There are a couple of others I think, which I have not viewed yet.

Gall
Gall
Apr 2, 2020 8:37 AM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

Another video that discuss Covid 19 specifically since it was made before the panic-demic but does discuss how the technology can cause and exacerbate illness:

https://youtu.be/ol3tAxnNccY

Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Apr 1, 2020 10:45 PM

Grauniad health editor Sarah Boseley has published a half-informed piece in which she is forced to concede, at the end of her article, that the tests for Covid-19 are hugely unreliable.
Thus she undermines everything she’s written up to that point in “‘Absolutely wrong’: how UK’s coronavirus test strategy unravelled “.
She criticizes “mathematical modellers” when it’s precisely journalists and politicians who need remedial classes in basic numeracy.
And she genuflects to the personage, in all his sibilant nomenclature, of,Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, as if the stretched limo of a name somehow compensates for the ethnic cleanser’s lack of medical expertise. Though I suppose he has some experience in depopulation.
Boseley should have educated herself on this site before putting finger to iPad.

Cicatriz
Cicatriz
Apr 1, 2020 11:09 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Has the press taken responsibility for anything, ever? WMDs, phone hacking, Hillsborough, Syria?

It’s not their job to be sceptical. It’s their job to stenograph government press conferences.

This kind of crap is to create the illusion of actually putting some effort in.

milosevic
milosevic
Apr 2, 2020 8:07 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

references, please.

Jane
Jane
Apr 1, 2020 10:40 PM

I just saw the headline in the Guardian that British American Tobacco are working on a plant-based coronavirus vaccine! The sub-heading was “Cigarette maker says tobacco plants offer potential for faster and safer drug development”. Isn’t it reassuring to think that BAT is so concerned about our health that they would try to develop a vaccine to keep us well.

Beer
Beer
Apr 2, 2020 4:20 AM
Reply to  Jane

April Fool article 🙂

Mucho
Mucho
Apr 1, 2020 10:18 PM

Wow, looks like Brendon O Connell’s channel has been shut down. Shame, he was really starting to produce some fantastic material, so far ahead of the curve that man. Bless you Brendon, I hope you are OK

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Apr 1, 2020 11:06 PM
Reply to  Mucho

The censorship will be ramped up more and more Mucho. Refer to 1984. Or Propaganda Watch (James Corbett)

George Mc
George Mc
Apr 1, 2020 10:17 PM

Another nail in rt’s coffin:

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/484696-eugenics-social-darwinism-coronavirus/

Those criticising the draconian measure are social Darwinists who don’t care about the elderly and the sick! Now if it’s true that the NHS is deliberately being sunk here (and I think it is) then it’s obscenely ironic that this moral outrage over abandoning the sick is being used to wreck a system there to help the sick.

But rt is a pathetic phoney opposition.

Reg
Reg
Apr 2, 2020 1:05 AM
Reply to  George Mc

I now thoroughly despise RT. Pity. I used to like reading it as a counter to the bilge from the UK and US.

milosevic
milosevic
Apr 2, 2020 8:15 AM
Reply to  George Mc
Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Apr 2, 2020 6:54 PM
Reply to  George Mc

George Mc – the NHS don’t give a damn about the elderly and don’t believe they should have access to health resources – they should be left in homes to die in pain, without treatment and without dignity is their view. They have said this publicly on numerous occasions. The NHS isn’t being sunk, it’s a failing organisation.

George Mc
George Mc
Apr 2, 2020 8:35 PM
Reply to  Jo Dominich

They have said this publicly on numerous occasions.

Give me one.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Apr 3, 2020 6:19 PM
Reply to  George Mc

George Mc – I haven’t got enough technical knowledge on how to post links – but they have over the past 5 years, written articles in the Press about the elderly and the fact they shouldn’t take up resources and made comfortable. The reason there are so many older people in residential homes in this country is that the standard prescription for a Consultant for an older person that is even moderately frail is for social services to stick them in a home thereby saving the NHS district nurse money and hospital money. I will dig out some old articles that I hope I have kept and see if I can give you an audit trail you can follow. In fact, if you look at newspapers this week, the NHS are saying the elderly are being sent home without treatment and still being ill. I am telling the truth because… Read more »

George Mc
George Mc
Apr 3, 2020 8:04 PM
Reply to  Jo Dominich

I have a mother who will soon be 90. She’s in good health for her age. But the sad inevitable fact is that she will die in the not too distant future. Where do old people go when they cannot look after themselves? The NHS is supposed to be a health service. And a hospital – especially at the moment – is an ideal place to catch something especially if it is underfunded and I know the NHS is. They, like all the public services, have been getting run down for decades now. And I know because I work with disabled people in a day centre for a local council. Each year for three years in a row, we were told there had to be a £20 million cut. The council have been trying to close down these places but the people have nowhere else to go for a social… Read more »

John Pretty
John Pretty
Apr 1, 2020 10:15 PM

This – what we are being subjected to – mostly by out media – is terrorism in all but name.

And this is far more frightening than anything any extremist Islamic group could possibly dream up. Not only are the mainstream media gorging themselves on this like the demented rabid dogs they are, but even here perverted individuals on these comment threads are spreading horror stories.

It is hard to maintain one’s sanity sometimes amid all of this.

I shall soon finish for today. Sometimes it is important to get away from this completely for a while. I had a nice walk this afternoon and even saw a couple of friendly faces.

John Pretty
John Pretty
Apr 1, 2020 10:37 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

PS: And just in case I was not making myself clear. I am not afraid of this virus. It is fear that is the issue at hand here.

Robbobbobin
Robbobbobin
Apr 12, 2020 3:19 AM
Reply to  John Pretty

“It is fear that is the issue at hand here.” It is fear of death that is the issue at hand anywhere. So stop fearing death. In some circumstances that is difficult–for instance those a loving, perhaps single, parent of highly dependent offspring, devoid of reliable friends or family in a compassionless milieu–but for too many whose fear arises from a surfeit of ego it is more an expression of the unquelled id (to use now-unfashionable terminology). When Gertrude Stein was dying her companion Alice B. Toklas is said to have been distraught. “Oh Gertrude, Gertrude, what is the answer?” asked Alice. Gertrude opened one eye and growled at her: “What’s the question?” Maybe less apocryphal but maybe not, when Ludwig Wittgenstein was dying a group of his colleagues called to visit him, to find him lying with his eyes closed, groaning and clenching his teeth in what appeared to… Read more »

clickkid
clickkid
Apr 1, 2020 10:08 PM

All you hear from Trump supporters: “Trump, Trump, Trump”

All you hear from Trump haters: “Trump, Trump, Trump”

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 1, 2020 10:45 PM
Reply to  clickkid

And he’s lovin’ it!

Cicatriz
Cicatriz
Apr 1, 2020 10:54 PM
Reply to  clickkid

Indeed, it is nearly as tedious adhds posts.

John Pretty
John Pretty
Apr 1, 2020 9:39 PM

says a bot.

crank
crank
Apr 1, 2020 9:20 PM

It all seems somewhat after the fact, but for the record I guess, Whitney Webb starts her series of tying up the loose ends. Anyone who took the nerd route of studying 9/11 and the 2001 Anthrax attacks will recognise the names : ‘Dark Winter’, ‘Jerome Hauer’, ‘Kagan’, and so on. The PNAC neocons run like a thread connecting that and this, so much so that COVID is best named ‘9-11 part III’ (part II being the anthrax attacks).
We owe Whitney.
https://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/top-news/all-roads-lead-dark-winter/

Guy
Guy
Apr 1, 2020 11:45 PM
Reply to  crank

Thank you for this link .This is a mind blowing report from someone I trust ,Whitney Webb and Paul Diego of which I am not familiar with.
Whitney is indeed extremely good at what she does or is in contact with someone very deep on the inside to know and divulge same.
She does good work.She is also on my PATREON subscribed list .

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Apr 3, 2020 2:10 PM
Reply to  crank

Crank, You know that the PNAC document was aimed at truthers to propagandise them into believing that the strength of their agenda was so great they’d kill the people in the buildings – 9/11 was a psyop not a false flag and truther-targeted propaganda has played a massive role. The anthrax attacks were also a psyop – and a super ludicrous one at that.
https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/anthrax-attacks-after-911.html

beer
beer
Apr 1, 2020 9:13 PM

Thank you for this. Health economists tend to compare life years rather than deaths. Under that convention, the death of somebody who only has a few months to live is given a lesser weight in the total than the death of a young person with no chronic conditions. The Imperial College team reckoned on 500,000 deaths in the UK if no action was taken, and knowing that most of the people who die from the disease are in their 70s or 80s with chronic illnesses, let’s assume that they would otherwise live a further 5 years on average. So, under the no action taken scenario we would then have 500000 * 5 = 2.5 million life years lost. There’s the study referenced here that says that a 6.4% drop in GDP leads to a 3 month decline in life expectancy across the population. For the UK that would be 66… Read more »

jay
jay
Apr 1, 2020 9:39 PM
Reply to  beer

I think that it is all overhyped from end to end.

crank
crank
Apr 1, 2020 9:45 PM
Reply to  beer

I have heard too many times the phrase ‘precautionary approach’ applied as if locking down society is the cautious, caring thing to do, saving lives. The often heard defence of our leaders who are imprisoning us is best understood as a form of Stockholm syndrome – which is an ironic name, seeing as the Swedes have so far avoided this mass incarceration.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Apr 2, 2020 7:06 PM
Reply to  crank

Crank, in the same way that employers suspend an employee as a ‘precautionary measure’ whilst a disciplinary investigation is taking place. Reality? Stops you contacting colleagues, getting evidence and isolates you from your colleagues because you become an automatic pariah as people in the UK will never stand up for you – they will protect their jobs and don’t give a fig about yours.

John Pretty
John Pretty
Apr 1, 2020 8:21 PM

Since yesterday when they started adding deaths “in the community” to the UK figures the numbers here have shot up. I am sad to say that this is typical of the British attitude. As a nation we must be worse off than the rest of the world. No way can we not be as “bad” as the others! Despite the media arm twisting over this, I will resist all their attempts to harrass me with their fear porn. They can jail me if they want. I will not be intimidated by this. The threat is exaggerated. The fact remains that dying WITH the virus is NOT THE SAME as dying OF the virus. I am sad also to say that I expect that soon there will be calls for more authoritarianism. At the moment I can still go out into the countryside for a walk without being harrassed. I expect… Read more »

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker
Apr 1, 2020 9:04 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

Will you be enjoying your freedom to shuffle off this mortal coil with your lungs collapsing and filling with blood?
Really?
Honestly?
Think very hard about this question.

jay
jay
Apr 1, 2020 9:12 PM
Reply to  Frank Speaker

Spreading pointless fear rubbish as usual Frank….

John Pretty
John Pretty
Apr 1, 2020 9:36 PM
Reply to  Frank Speaker

I’m sorry, I don’t have pneumonia, but millions have died from it. A schoolteacher I had died from it in his fifties in the 1980s.

However, I would prefer to die of pneumonia than tuberculosis, which is a debilitating, very painful and chronic (that means it lasts for a long time) infection that kills mainly young adults in developing countries at a rate of on average 3000 a day every day.

You know what you can do with your fear porn don’t you? Ram it up your arse!

John Pretty
John Pretty
Apr 1, 2020 9:38 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

admin, I apologise for my language. Please feel free to remove that last sentence if you consider it inappropriate.

SteveEss
SteveEss
Apr 1, 2020 9:54 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

I thought it was VERY appropriate…!

jay
jay
Apr 1, 2020 10:08 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

I was biting my tongue, He is a nasty article.

George Mc
George Mc
Apr 1, 2020 10:49 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

It is inappropriate. You should have said, “Ram it up your fucking arse!”

jay
jay
Apr 1, 2020 10:06 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

Pneumonia in late 19th was called ‘the old man’s friend’ for precisely the reason you mention.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 1, 2020 10:47 PM
Reply to  jay

It’s NOT a ‘friendly’ death.

jay
jay
Apr 1, 2020 11:56 PM

Perhaps not, be nice to die in ones sleep.

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker
Apr 1, 2020 10:36 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

Sociopathic, lacking in empathy, ideology over humanity. ..the far left are as bad as the far right. Congratulations.

clickkid
clickkid
Apr 1, 2020 11:18 PM
Reply to  Frank Speaker

….and the centre?

Sociopathic, lacking in empathy, money over humanity

Cicatriz
Cicatriz
Apr 1, 2020 10:57 PM
Reply to  Frank Speaker

Along with a near unlimited list of other things that may kill me. Many of which are orders of magnitude more likely to accomplish that end.

Fair dinkum
Fair dinkum
Apr 1, 2020 11:47 PM
Reply to  Frank Speaker

Caught the gullible virus Frank?
Do you believe in Santa and the Easter bunny ?

Cookiemum
Cookiemum
Apr 1, 2020 9:08 PM
Reply to  John Pretty
John Pretty
John Pretty
Apr 1, 2020 9:46 PM
Reply to  Cookiemum

Yes. I’m amazed it’s still there!

jay
jay
Apr 1, 2020 9:11 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

Well indeed, Covid deaths are 1/15 of flu deaths worldwide.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 1, 2020 10:48 PM
Reply to  jay

So far, jay. So far.

clickkid
clickkid
Apr 1, 2020 11:16 PM
Reply to  jay

Those who die ‘with’ covid-10 are 1/15 of those who die ‘of’ the flu.

milosevic
milosevic
Apr 2, 2020 8:27 AM
Reply to  John Pretty

At the moment I can still go out into the countryside for a walk without being harrassed. I expect that may change.

Gezzah Potts
Gezzah Potts
Apr 2, 2020 8:39 AM
Reply to  milosevic

Obey Our Orders….. Obey… Obey…. Obey…. Exterminate… Exterminate… Ext… For some reason have been thinking of the Daleks lately, tho this is much more Orwell than Dr Who. For now.

JohnB
JohnB
Apr 2, 2020 12:17 PM
Reply to  milosevic

Derbyshire police – NOT ESSENTIAL.

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Apr 2, 2020 7:13 PM
Reply to  John Pretty

John Pretty, Thanks for your defiance I too am in that league. Interestingly enough, as the MSM is pumping out nothing more than Government Propaganda – there is no analysis as to counting ‘deaths in the community’. As we are not testing people in the community or health professionals for that matter, I would ask how these figures are being arrived at. As usual, MSM mask facts and promote lies. I note also that Bozo Adolf is now going to remain in his luxury home as he is still coughing. Strange that as he doesn’t actually have CV-19 rather he suffers from a disease, well evidence in the General Election, known as ‘fear of public scrutiny, public questions, the truth and accountability’ and also fear of attending televised debates, interviews and answering serious questions. It’s called the ‘avoid, hide and seek’ Prime Minister virus. We have an invisible Prize Moron,… Read more »

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Apr 2, 2020 7:16 PM
Reply to  Jo Dominich

John pretty, forgot to add that the Chief Medical Officer, Chris Witty, on his ridiculous public broadcasts, looks as though he is dire need of an incontinence pad!

BigB
BigB
Apr 1, 2020 8:09 PM

Kevin’s way out: make no bones …humanity is now on notice of extinction. For those who pretend they cannot see the future trends – for reasons of personal protection – I’m afraid your beliefs are as useful as useful as a medical mask against cyanide …which is how toxic the response to covid-19 will eventually prove to be. The only known cures are degrowth, decentralisation, deglobalisation, and regenerative cultures of reciprocity and redistribution. Which sounds dangerously like anarchy: which is worse than the weaponised covid and the openly fascising covid cure for most. So, most of those I have been conversing with are planning on waiting to see what comes next …better the extinction you know, eh? To be fair: it’s always been this way. The historically contingent human psyche is change averse. It (intertemporally) discounts the future for order today. So, if there isn’t an actual jackboot in the… Read more »

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker
Apr 1, 2020 9:16 PM
Reply to  BigB

The only known cures are degrowth, decentralisation, deglobalisation, and regenerative cultures of reciprocity and redistribution

Exactly this Big B, especially regenerative cultures. Unfortunately 99.99% don’t have a clue yet, but I’m confident this will change.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 1, 2020 11:00 PM
Reply to  Frank Speaker

It will change too late. The Austfailian populace got a small taste of the future this summer, as the country burned and the mega-cities choked on noxious smoke for weeks. But, as ever, the denialist Right was there, denying everything, with manic zealotry. THAT will NEVER change.

jay
jay
Apr 1, 2020 9:34 PM
Reply to  BigB

Babble quack quack babble.

Frank Speaker
Frank Speaker
Apr 1, 2020 10:40 PM
Reply to  jay

Clearly the education system has collapsed before you entered it.

jay
jay
Apr 2, 2020 12:00 AM
Reply to  Frank Speaker

Frank, I love how you applaud and then defend you own sock puppets…

BigB
BigB
Apr 2, 2020 12:07 AM
Reply to  jay

Because coherent consensus language communions of conformity look like they really have the objective certainty of truth nailed right now. For the foreseeable future ate least. How is the rational consensus of control and of Cartesian scientific realism looking to you right now? It looks like a metaphysical essentialist shitshow of absolutised dumbfuckerry to me …which is festering into an openly fascising catastrophic wound in the corpus of humanity. Just as 150 years of post-Marxian critique warned it would. But now is not the time to revive the anti-foundationalist; anti-essentialist; anti- just about everything metaphysical essentialist Cartesian dualism stands for …the valid and varied critiques of perpetual war, hyper-violence, sectarianism, racism, ethnocentrism, sexism, ultra-greed, dominative overpower, biological determinism, and instrumental extinctionism. No, no, no: let us not try the detournement of challenging the conceptual and semanticised order of constative control. Let us parse our language of metaphor: of idioms of… Read more »

Sophie - Admin1
Admin
Sophie - Admin1
Apr 2, 2020 4:19 AM
Reply to  BigB

Do you think we’re going to have perpetual war? Don’t you think what’s dawning is an age of rather contrived peace and unity? Isn’t perpetual coronavirus taking the place of perpetual war?

Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
Apr 2, 2020 7:23 PM

Admin one not sure on this one. Where oh where would the 20 trillion dollar or whatever the official amount is of the American Arms Industry income go with all those arms companies going into liquidation? I like the concept of ‘contrived peace’ now that is a good name for the concept of controlled population – no right to dissent, no freedom, no truth the outcome of which is yes, contrived peace of course. Your comments are always brief, relevant and thought provoking. Adds a sane perspective.

jay
jay
Apr 2, 2020 6:59 AM
Reply to  BigB

I guess you ain’t a believer that brevity is the soul of wit.
Sure, it was a machine written copy ‘n’ paste job with strategically placed additions for your little attacks…
I have seen it ALL and HEARD it ALL before.
Thanks.

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 1, 2020 10:58 PM
Reply to  BigB

Very interesting, Blanche. Do you think that these acronyms were deliberately created to produce arrogant declarations of malicious intent? Here, when the Liberal Howard regime was using refugee flows in boats to wage a racist political campaign (naturally to be capped with success)they came up with convoluted acronyms like SUNCs to describe the refugees in their flimsy vessels (Suspected Unlawful Non-Citizens)which were described as SIEVEs (Suspected Irregular Entry Vessels). Jolly japes, indeed. SUNC(K)s in SIEVEs, throwing their children overboard, because they are, after all, sub-human Asiatics, doncha know. It worked a treat, few realised that the Berlusconi regime had used the same lie weeks before in Italy, and despite it being proved a lie since, the thugs concerned have never admitted it.

BigB
BigB
Apr 2, 2020 1:13 AM

I made them up: it was meant to be a sort of part joke. I’m bored: so sue me! The only real one is RAT – which I stole from Bourdieu’s critique. But the Behaving System really does run on ”bounded rationality”; ”self-interest utility maximisation” (formerly known as greed); and Rational Action Theory or Rational Choice Theory (also known as greed). And it really is openly totalising and fascisitic and systemically greedy. But you knew that. Yet: still people ground their narratives in it …as previously mentioned. The capitalist logical order of individualism is intentionally grounded in folklore and naive folk realism. Which is the *Dasein* or alter-ego spirit of the nation. Which can easily be invoked against an invisible enemy to form a Volksgemeinschaft. Which is easily shaped into a bourgeois neo-Volkisch community of national defence. Rallying round their own little individuated piece of rationalised, privatised, and commodified property… Read more »

Ishmael
Ishmael
Apr 2, 2020 9:03 AM
Reply to  BigB

I looked ’em up, Blanche, to check on that. So you united them did you? Very good-I approve greatly. Every dominant group projects its values onto society-in our case, the psychopaths. Have you see the cartoon where the boffins are looking into an open enclosure full of lab-rats. One says to the other, ‘We bombarded them with pollution, noise and junk-food’. The other replies, ‘And what happened?’, to which the first replies, ‘Oh, they elected a Conservative Government’.

Mike Ellwood
Mike Ellwood
Apr 1, 2020 7:57 PM

I’m sure this has been posted before, but I hadn’t seen it until today:

Covid-19 Virus Conspiracy? Scientific Corruption: Part 3 – Dr. Rashid A. Buttar

That’s from 24th March, so there should be at least one more in that series. (He promised another within 48 hours).

Joerg
Joerg
Apr 1, 2020 10:11 PM
Reply to  Mike Ellwood

Graet link, Mike Ellwood!
Thanks!

Joerg
Joerg
Apr 1, 2020 7:32 PM

Some weeks ago on youtube there was a video with an interview with a German virologist Dr. Köhnlein. Youtube removed this video – but now it is back on youtube again (only in German): “CORONA – Alles nur Panik (Dr. Köhnlein)” – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVHZ1bLceRw&feature=youtu.be After pointing out that these tests only check antibodies of a patient and then can only register that this antibody has a genome against “some” coronavirus, but cannot define ob it’s a new corona virus or one from last year Dr. Köhnlein points to this strange story of Li Wenliang. Dr. Köhnlein wonders why this Li Wenliang, who was an oculist – an eye-doctor – in Wuhan was so feverishly searching for a “new virus” when an 89 years old male patient of his died of pneumonia. Oculist Li than massively ‘rang the alarm bell’ in the Chinese internet, was than arrested for this and then he,… Read more »

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 1, 2020 11:04 PM
Reply to  Joerg

The West’s agents inside China are well known to the Chinese Government, believe me. The Dr. Li story is pure agit-prop bulldust, and his death so convenient that I see the black hand of the Atlanticist Empire at work. But the Chinese defeated the bio-warfare attack, and learned good lessons for the next one.

Jane
Jane
Apr 2, 2020 8:29 AM
Reply to  Joerg

My German isn’t very good. Would it be possible to translate that video into English? From your summary of the contents, I think it should be more widely known about.

Joerg
Joerg
Apr 2, 2020 1:33 PM
Reply to  Jane

Hallo Jane,

here is what I found on the website https://massengeschmack.tv/

Impressum
E-Mail: [email protected]
Tel: 040 / 600 38 630
Geschäftskontakt
E-Mail: [email protected]

Verantwortlich für diese Homepage ist:
Alsterfilm GmbH
Von-Bargen-Straße 18
Haus F
22041 Hamburg

Geschäftsführer: Holger Kreymeier
Handelsregister-Eintrag: HRB 108486 / Amtsgericht Hamburg
Umsatzsteuer-Identifikationsnummer: DE264175028

If I were You, Jane, I would just call them and ask them for permission: 0049 (Germany)…40 / 600 38 630. May be they can even give You some help.
Also: If you just put subtitles on that video – I’d doubt that You would run into problems with “Massengeschmack.tv”.

George Mc
George Mc
Apr 1, 2020 7:25 PM

List of the effects of this virus (not exhaustive): • Total shut down on all other news items. • The speeding up of an economic meltdown which was going to happen anyway but which now can be attributed to the virus alone. • The speeding up of the inevitable confrontation between the overlords and the masses on conditions favourable to the former. • The reduction of the public to a condition in which most welcome draconian restrictions • The harsh and vitriolic gap between those who are urging on the restrictions and those who are suspicious i.e. a divide and rule matter which threatens to become physically violent. • The curtailing and indeed destruction of the rights and protections for the general population that have been hard won over the last century. • The reduction of social life to a social media matrix. (And yes I’m using the word “matrix”… Read more »

bob
bob
Apr 1, 2020 8:05 PM
Reply to  George Mc

well done – don’t forget the NHS ( the party heralding it is the one that wants to get rid off it and yes it has its problems) – it doesn’t exist anymore – the illusion of it being overwhelmed is nonsense – most hospitals are empty – they’re cancelling operations and treatment everywhere – car parks are empty of cars and full of empty ambulances – public services don’t exist except maybe for bin collections – there’s no social care except, apparently, for labour party people helping in the communities – nobody else cares except labour – tomorrow they elect Starmer (FFS) – the economy and our social being have been trashed … all because of a virus …………???

beer
beer
Apr 1, 2020 9:42 PM
Reply to  bob

Yes, the current lockdown was brought in under pressure from the sort of politician who normally feigns concern about “austerity” and excess deaths from insufficient NHS spending. What they’ve brought in is far, far worse for people’s health than anything they used to complain about.

George Mc
George Mc
Apr 1, 2020 10:06 PM
Reply to  bob

I was including the NHS in the public sector – but I should have mentioned it as the most important part.

Sheik Yerbouti
Sheik Yerbouti
Apr 1, 2020 10:40 PM
Reply to  George Mc

…the incredible stealth-like rollout of 5G.

May He
May He
Apr 1, 2020 10:49 PM
Reply to  George Mc

And don’t forget the compulsory Bill Gates vaccination, with the microchip and god knows what else. Refusal to have it will be severely punished – no pension, health access, job, money, prison, etc. etc. and you will be socially ‘distanced’ and put into the stocks just for good measure.

[edited for typos. A2]

Richard Le Sarc
Richard Le Sarc
Apr 1, 2020 11:07 PM
Reply to  George Mc

In other words, the neo-liberal, neo-feudal project of the last fifty years on steroids. It had to come, but the virus remains dangerous-it’s just being used to privatise what is left of society, transfer it to the Gods Upon the Earth, and test the ways and means of the coming, inevitable, highly lethal, ‘useless eaters’ removing plague.