WATCH: “Dr Erickson Covid19 Briefing” CENSORED by YouTube
This is the full version of the press conference, called by doctors Dan Erickson and Artin Massihi, to release the results of their Covid19 testing program.
The video, initially broadcast on a local television station in California, went viral on youtube garnering over 4.3 million views…before YouTube took the video down, without explanation.
The two doctors, who own and run a clinic in Bakersfield, report that – according to their results – a higher than expected percentage of people are infected with the coronavirus, but that the vast majority show no symptoms. This is in line with other studies done at Stanford University and by Japanese scientists in China.
If true, the danger of the virus may have been greatly exaggerated by the media, and shelter in place orders/lockdown policies could – through poverty, suicide and stress – potentially cause more damage than they prevent.
Apart from the video being taken down, the American College of Emergency Physicians (ACEP) and the American Academy of Emergency Medicine (AAEM) released a joint statement which accused them of attention-seeking to further their careers, but didn’t actually refute their arguments.
Whether they prove to be right or wrong, whether you agree or disagree with their theories or political opinions, is there anything in the video that justifies banning it or undermining free speech?
In the interests of open information and informed debate, OffGuardian uploaded a version of this video to YouTube. It received 60 views and was removed for “inappropriate content”. The current embedded version is hosted on BitChute. Since, for some reason, BitChute embeds do not include a clickable link – you can visit the video on-site by clicking here.
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Please look up ‘Ivermectin’. ‘The FLCCC alliance’, while suspending your Corona doubts. Fact is-i mean ARE: Covid exists and is both deadly and manufactured. It is readily controlled via cheap and safe drug regime. Nobody need die from it. Versus; Who, I ask, is so stupid and trusting that they would voluntarily submit to an untested ‘antiviral’ that isn’t, but a previously un-utilized (RNA) witches brew, that doesn’t even claim to;1 Protect you from infection. It doesn’t. 2.Make you non-infectious to others. It doesn’t nor does it claim such. 3 So what does it (Phiser etc,etc claim?) 3. Well it claims that an injection of it’s expensive , rushed through, wierd stuff : Might reduce your bad effects. So, presumably, making you feel better, to go out and infect everyone else- =More $£ for global big pharma? Please. Let’s ramp up an Ivermectin blitzkrieg on our NHS doctors to prescribe… Read more »
Issues with the testing are at the center of this. This video has a concise summary: no politics, no interpretation. Summary of summary: this test is complex and outside of the normal activities of regular medical technology
https://youtu.be/mn4yXyj2xdU
(this video is good and I am trying to attract the attention it deserves. Help)
The HighWire with Del Bigtree
Censored Doc Doubles Down
1 May 2020
Dr. Daniel Erickson, owner of seven CA urgent care facilities, was thrown into the spotlight after his press conference on the COVID 19 stirred up enough controversy to get censored by YouTube. Here’s Del’s follow-up interview and this doc’s message is clear: he is not backing down.
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Millions get it – few die. That is the key. This flu bug lasts a season but the damage, abuse to women and children , business and commerce is for a lifetime. The numbers don’t add up from any data anywhere. Thousands die from flu every year and locking up healthy people is the most idiotic idea that can only come from the brain of an academic. Look at the death toll in Germany and Turkey, do they add up??? Panic and fear is the real illness here. And a fear virus spreads fast. So refreshing to hear two men qualified, educated and working not just talking …we need to support them and spread the word. Millions get it – few die…Stop the illegal lockdown and Watch out for bill gates….
Over 60,000 have died in two and a half months. That is your idea of few! I hope you go back to work and if not, volunteer, you don’t need a mask or gloves! I wish you a long life in this plague,
doubt was your friend balenda but then you say or text something, now we don’t your doubt lack of intelligence.
Arithmetic is not their strong point. He’s not parsing the figures. The number of people who have the virus in the population as a whole is not the same as the number of people who tested positive in the total number of tests. Those tests will include a sample of the population outside of hospitals (basically those suspected of having the virus thus being a rather biased sample) and will also include everyone who presented with C-19 in a hospital, thereby skewing the figures. Does it also take account of those who were tested more than once..? Worse, the figures for infection and death are out of sync by two weeks. To see how many die as a consequence of the virus you have to use the figures of those infected from two weeks ago because you don’t die instantly. That’s because the death figures lag behind the infection figures… Read more »
Did you watch the second part? The interview was a total of 75mins, yet it was split into two – 60 + 15. I thought that was odd till I watched the second part and they laid out their conspiracy thinking. It was kind of basic: “When the government says Safety they mean Control”. The government is supposedly trying to control the population with a bogus pandemic, force them to stay indoors, and deliberately wreck the economy. Quite why the US government, and all the governments of the world, would want to do this was never explained… It was the guy on the left who said all that, while the other guy looked a bit uncomfortable, like left-hand guy had gone off-script. So, why split the video into 2 parts? We can only guess, but maybe so most folks would only see part 1 before left-hand guy went all conspiracy-theorist… Read more »
As a complete aside to everything something dawned on me the other day….who in the name of several deities thought that Gilead was a good name for a company involved in the race for treatment of the newpox
Blessed be the fruit …under his eye
https://www.gilead.com/stories/articles/an-update-on-covid-19-from-our-chairman-and-ceo
Quarantine – restrict movement of the sick
Tyranny – restrict movement of the healthy
There is a rebuttal to this circulating indicating that these guys’ comments are actually perniciously feeding into the wishes of the would be censors. Unfortunately, that video rebuttal is also being censored. I have tried to post it here twice, and both times it has been removed within seconds. It has also been almost instantly removed from comment sections in Bitchute. Interesting indeed.
How do I find it?
I have tried to share it here but it gets censored immediately. Therefore, I can try to direct you to the Bitchute channel named “Awoke” https://www.bitchute.com/channel/azWVodJvC9Nq/
You are lying. You have most certainly NOT been censored EVER as this is your first post. I have seen the video in question, it is linked BTL in various pieces. Post the link and do not troll or you will be removed as per our Comment Policy.
Dear Admin,
Thank you for your message. I’m not lying. It was removed twice by a different pseudonym that I used. I used another because I was afraid it would be removed again by an algorithm or something judging from the speed at which it was removed the first two times. I apologize if I violated protocol, I was sincerely unaware since I have only recently ventured into this realm due to these unprecedented circumstances. I will post the video as you requested under the pseudonym “David”.
What name did you post under? I will see where your messages went. A2
I believe it was Michael as per above. If not, it could have been Goldez.
Thank you.
It’s a common trolling tactic we encounter here, unfortunately – people casting aspersions on our transparency BTL. However I found two messages gone to spam and I returned them. I can’t tell you why spam claimed those. You clearly weren’t lying so I retract that. We only censor as per our Comment Policy, so let us know if this happens with any more of your posts. All the best, A2.
Here is a direct link: https://www.bitchute.com/video/ZctWi5QM2s8N/
I think there is a part 2, another 15-20 minutes. where can we find that?
Here: https://www.bitchute.com/video/ZctWi5QM2s8N/
“Apart from the video being taken down, the American College of Emergency Physicians (ACEP) and the American Academy of Emergency Medicine (AAEM) released a joint statement which accused them of attention-seeking to further their careers, but didn’t actually refute their arguments.”
Yeah, that’s rich. Both of those organizations happen to be big time Washington lobbying firms that have contributed (bribed) significantly to existing senators and representatives. I’m sorry, but I just can’t really believe those groups and their positions.
I believe it’s important to note that the link to the joint statement did rebut (not necessarily refute) at least some of the doctors’ arguments. After the statement itself, the explanation is immediately after, in the Additional Information section.
I’ll go ahead and say I watched the doctors’ video, but haven’t checked the data mentioned. I read through the whole joint statement (most importantly, the reasoning in the Additional Information section), but haven’t cross checked the replies with the video. So, personally, I cannot say much one way or the other. Just wanted to point out that the statement did provide reasons.
Where is Part 2?
Here: https://www.bitchute.com/video/ZctWi5QM2s8N/
Am I missing something?? They’re saying covid 19 is no worse than the flu which is known to claim up to 60k deaths per year in the US. Covid 19 is up to 60k deaths in 8 weeks!! At this rate we’ll be up to 360k deaths in one year. Please explain.
Yes, they said stats are wrong as they do not establish if one died OF Covid, but only if a deceased had been infected.
Considering Covid is in most cases completely harmless if one doesn’t establish the Causal link, then the stats are meaningless.
For instance a more meaning stat would be of how many dies of pneumonia caused by Covid, and establish average age and how many of them were smokers.
Covid kills smokers in their 70s, there are exceptions but not many.
Can’t you say the same thing about then the standard flu. Some people argue that the covid-19 related deaths are actually higher than being reported. “In an attempt to determine true mortality rates, more and more analysts are looking into the number of excess deaths in different countries to see if the number of people dying is higher than in the same weeks in previous years. Recently, The Financial Times reported that the mortality rate in Bergamo Province in Italy is up 463% compared to the same period in recent years while it has climbed 161% in Madrid.” https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2020/04/28/analysis-us-deaths-from-covid-19-could-be-significantly-higher-than-reported-infographic/#1ba262435437
The CDC notes that flu deaths peak between December and February. Admittedly, this is 12 weeks compared to the 8 weeks you cite. However, given a new pathogen wouldn’t it seem logical for the greatest number of deaths to occur at its inception within a society? Time, of course, will tell. But it may be a bit too soon to extrapolate a total number of Covid-19 deaths from this 8-week number.
The calculations are based on percentage of the population, the time frame isn’t important, once we have 100% infected the deaths can’t go up.
Exactly. Also sheltering in place doesn’t mean you can’t go for a walk or a run or drive somewhere for a leisurely day. And if you do this and maintain your distance, then you’ll get your vitamin D and build up your immunity. These guys did this for one reason….to drum up business. Highly articulate, bright and probably good physicians. But their interpretation of international data and even their own is a bit sketchy. Also, why didn’t they talk about hospitalizations? Just deaths in relation to the population or subsets if the population. Make no mistake, COVID-19 is not your garden variety flu. How irresponsible to suggest there’s not much difference.
I wonder, that whilst we are out on our walks or buying essential windowlene with added windowshinesheen, what is stopping us doing a bit of fly posting? I should imaging most here have a print, bit of fly posting, bus stops, post boxes, just simple advertisment for folk to visit Off-Guardian.org for verifiable facts for covid19 & lokin20. Isn’t getting the information out there an essential activity and please if one was unfortunate to encounter the police, engage them in good spirit and perhaps maybe try to educate them? Mondays mayday is going to be interesting though not here, too sparse a population, but one never knows. Just thought I would share this, something I am going to do, may even use a rainbow as a hook, personally I think every citezen has the duty to inform themselves, the ignorance I encounter is unreal, but I am guessing that a… Read more »
Way to go!
In order to understand the scope of the operation, one needs to look at all aspects/facts individually. Based on the events of the previous twelve month, a virus has obviously been making the rounds for much longer than the alleged time of outbreak. ‘Patient Zero’ – where is patient zero? With a virus having been administered – in the truest meaning of the word – via aerosol dispersion, which also explains the occcurrence/outbreak pattern. What it does is to proclaim that the virus is transmitted person by person, whereas that is of course what happens when having close contact to a contageous individual – but the available data shows that the distribution pattern of the virus does not match the path-o-gene, the path the virus utilizes to get around. Furthermore it must be investigated what changes have been made by bio-weapons laboratories the world over in viruses that are part… Read more »
Another study!!
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.24.20075291v1.full.pdf
Estimation of SARS-CoV-2 infection fatality rate by real-time antibody
screening of blood donors
Commentary from Twitter:
https://twitter.com/EthicalSkeptic/status/1255481024890507269
Thanks for this. Seems to basically confirm what the evil doctors said. Oh, well.
I would also take issue w/ the female giornalist declaring that NYC hospitals were overrun, according to on the spot videos (Lincoln Karim), Jacob Javits centre was empty, the Central Park Hospital was empty, and other hospitals in the NYC area empty well (Dana Ashlie). So it seems illogical to me that a NYC hospital is overrun while others are completely empty….
Why is it hard for some people to not get the point here, you dont need to take sides here,the simple point is, wether right ot wrong on their calculation, they are qualified professionals in their field to raise a question and challlange the narrative, if they are not allowed to question then who’s qualified? And dont forget the fact that they put people in lockdown based on Guestimates not actual data, does Google employees have more medical expertise? I dont understand why first thin people do is to rush to take sides.
Also, AAEM has discredit them, claiming that they did is for financial gains.
Wouldn’t it make more sense if they had an expert prove why their calculation is wrong and their data is not a representation of the population nor the number of people infected?
What they are doing is shooting the messenger.
The other irony is MSM discredit them by saying they are not epidemiologists and just ER doctors. They are allowed to accept patients and do the tests for covid-19 but not allowed to question the results and narrative? Hm..
in the U>K this is very very common a nurse who does not even give his or her full name nor PIN number nurse assioation number to clarify who they are who works for the government via a 3rd party private company who does the government dirty work can override a TEAM of doctors or psychiatrist and say the person is fit for work.
It’s not as if the video is even controversial. The science here is perfectly reasonable. What’s controversial is the denial of professional and common-sense opinion, based on experience.
The only conspiracy here is the Democrats having the media in their back pocket. Check Pigosi and Schumer videos these days, they know Trump is screwed because if he calls an end too soon, and people keep dying of this, then he screwed up. If he prolongs the economic depression by not calling an end to this, then he will ruin the economy. Never seen the Democrats so happy these days. They do not want MAGA, they want power at any cost.
Nice deflection. I could have sworn we were talking about the faking of a virus panic in order to justify, and conceal, a treasonous governmental agenda of making us all much easier to control…
Don’t see or mean this as a deflection. Only see the quagmire that stands before the POTUS, “damned if you do, damned if you don’t”. Don’t see any government agenda as a means to control us, why would the government intentionally ruin the economy just so “Big Brother” can mess with us? This government shutdown is ruining the Republican’s plan for MAGA, and the totally morally bankrupt Schumers, Pigosis, Nadlers and Schiffs are biting at the bit to reclaim the POTUS any way they can, this is as good as any stunt that they have tried before. BTW- no one “faked the virus”, it is there, but the USA and the rest of the world have over-reacted to it because of WHO. And please don’t think I’m making another deflection to Abbott and Costello’s, “Who’s on First?”.
I get your point, but I don’t think Trump’s daily changes of mind are affected in the slightest by the “damned if you do, damned if you don’t” scenario which you mention. My feeling is that Washington has become so corrupt and chaotic in general that your otherwise logical conclusion just doesn’t apply. For the politicians, ruining the economy is of no concern, since they have their own private insurance policies and enough wealth to survive practically any economic downturn, just as they all survived the 2008 crash. These are selfish people. A ruined economy no longer means a ruined reputation, because they no longer have a reputation left to ruin. A ruined economy means that WE are ruined; not they. For the record, I didn’t say that anyone is faking the virus, but only that the panic is faked, in the sense that it is exponentially out of all… Read more »
Agree. I don’t think anything is fake but the panic and hysteria have been deliberately, in calculated fashion been amped up. Where I live, in Northern Italy, there was a real crisis and I was even supportive of the lockdowns which started on 23 February. But to very clear, the reason for lockdown was: the (badly managed, ill prepared and inadequare) healthcare system was overwhelmed. The fear was that if Lombardy which has the “best” healthcare system in Italy was in such dire straits, what would happen in the rest of the country. In the end patients were flown from North to South, we discovered that Lombardy’s system is far worse than anyone could have imagined under a corrupt regional right wing government that has favoured privatization and cutbacks over a decade. Worth noting too that many hospitals in the north almost collapse in flu season every year.. This time… Read more »
Sounds to me like you have a primitive shithole of a healthcare system in the north that needs to be fixed. Like it was done in the last century, with clean air, clean water, clean food and better infrastructure, no “virus” is going to kill you.
Of course you are talking about the Swamp and I agree. I could never figure out how lobbying could ever be allowed, especially when those lobbyists are retired politicians who know whose palms to grease. It is the most blatant quid pro quo that ever was. The reason the Swamp has reared its head is because it is comprised of the class known as Politicians. Trump doesn’t fit in with that mold, so is an outsider who must be attacked by media (who have a cushy relationship with the Swamp) and democrats alike. Had any other Republican politician won the Republican nomination, things would be more normal in the Swamp. So everything from the Russia collusion, impeachment, Kavanaugh framing to this ill-conceived pandemic shut-down flows diretly from the hatred in the Swamp.
Yeah…. turning us all into microchipped zombies in a world of digital currency and a social credit system.
If you show up on a site like OffGuardian and rant against the ruling elites, or seriously question what’s in our mandatory vaccines … BANG… a switch is flicked, and no money for you Wardropper!
Or you’re confined too within your own suburb for a few weeks. Bad luck if your job is 3 suburbs away.
Oh, hang on…. did I say show up at a site like OffGuardian? There won’t be any sites like OffGuardian. There will only be official pronouncements from the Ministry Of Truth. This is the sort of kafkaesque dystopia we are heading towards. Its already started.
Astonishing how many of our zomboid politicians appear to have read Orwell’s “1984” and thought, “Yes, that’s the future for me!”… It could only happen if they were bred on a colossal scale with a frightful flaw in their brains. Real human beings don’t work like that.
Yep, that, and doing the bidding of those who they obey. And it sure as heck ain’t the voters!
The doctors are questioned at one point in the news conference by reporters teasing them to provide an explanation for why the corporate mainstream media and political leaders institute policies which run so much against medical science and common sense. Wisely, they ducked that question in which they lack expertise and simply insinuated “politics” was involved, and indeed it is. Truth and the actual health and wellbeing of the population are no real concerns of theirs and it seldom is. The extreme overreaction to this pandemic involves a great deal of political motivation – is agenda-driven.
All this brings to mind one of the Buddhist tenets, that “all suffering is caused by human greed”. Our Bible preaches much the same message. So for example, if everyone at every station in life were to be honest in how they deal with crisis, it would go much better and more people would live. Had the Chinese been honest at the outset, and hospitals honestly record normal deaths as such, and not as China Flu caused deaths because they get more financial funding from the government this way. The whole thing is driven by greed, not humanity.
You guys should use this image to represent this Act by those 2 doctors!
Whoever these people are, are they randomly sampling their population to determine their proportion of infected people? They are certainly good at putdowns and seem to have great confidence in the sampling carried out by other countries. Their narrative seems to be the same as Trump’s, the economy is more important than lives, get back to work, or we risk losing the sacred capitalist economy.
In certain nursing homes in Britain and Ireland between 15 and 20% of the occupants have died from covid19, are their deaths an acceptable level to ensure the continued running of the capitalist system?
May be they are no relation of yours so it doesn’t matter.
Try watching more than the blank screen at the very beginning… They say exactly what they are sampling. You are a disgrace to Devon.
Died “from” C19? Died “of” C19? Died “because of” C19? Spreading lies, are you?
They say that 90% of those who reportedly die from COVID-19 actually die from associated ailments.
Don’t be daft.
We were discussing our Human Rights and our collective condition of being confined to home, were apparently no one may question the decisions made for entire humanity by the likes of Bill “I was always a greedy unprincipled assholes, don’t you remember” Gates?
We just don’t want to live in USSR warmed over with no light at the end of tunnel for Humanity, that is all. Now return to your cell, turn on the tele-monitor and have a few shots of Victory Gin.
No, these deaths are not acceptable. That’s why resources should be concentrated on protecting the vulnerable, without worrying about young, fit people who are not at risk.
I live in U.K., I got Covid (5 days high fever) and recovered. I am Italian…
I completely agree with these doctors, my immune system will weaken if I stay at home and I defeated Covid because I was training in a boxing gym every day.
The lockdown is weakening me, people should so it either on a voluntary basis, or if they’re sick or old.
Any facts or figures links or thoughts on 15 and 20% dying OF covid 19 ?
How are so many people falling for this video? They are calling for mandatory testing before people can go back to work! Mandatory testing with a near-useless test that produces many false positives. Eff no. No, no, a million times no. It’s a quick step from mandatory testing to mandatory vaccination…or no work for you, no travel for you, etc.
And just FYI – they are removing controlled opposition videos to make them seem legit.
It isn’t a question of “falling for” this video. Even if everything you say is true, at least we have here two doctors who are not buying into the panic scenario, and they are obviously aware that the panic is designed to find out how far the “authorities” can go when it comes to controlling us.
It’s perfectly possible to listen to what is being said here without going into an anti-panic panic of one’s own, and my personal view, without creating a fan club for these two, is just that the video gives us a welcome break from panic, along with non-establishment, yet clearly well-informed opinion on the minor medical threat which this HalfWit19 thing poses.
Oh, it’s exactly a question of falling for this video. And falling into the “listen to the authority figures/doctors who tell us we’re ALLOWED to go back to work” mindset. These doctors are saying nothing that anyone with a critical mind has not figured out for themselves. Of course, the government never had the right to shut down people’s live and livelihoods in the first place. But the government and medical establishment ALSO do not have the right to force medical testing or to require medical testing before people go back to work, and that is what these doctors are calling for. Look for the drop of poison they’re releasing along with the “truth.”
And if you don’t think these doctors have a giant fan club, you haven’t been on social media lately.
The problem with comprehension skills here is yours. I made no comment as to whether the doctors had a fan club. You can see perfectly well that I simply said I was not planning to create one for them.
I see nothing in the video to indicate that they would support “forcing” anything upon people at all, nor do they seem naive enough to take government/establishment promises at face value. I just don’t understand your unease with this video, but I can understand Google/YouTube’s unease very well.
I think you have summed it up quite nicely. The previous two comments don’t want to accept a different perspective,a different, rational way if looking at this. Maybe they’ll realise when the rioting starts……
I doubt they will realize anything. They’ll find a mainstream media shill’s office to hide in until things calm down (if they ever do) then straight away look for another group of informed people to annoy at the behest of “the authorities”.
You should be asking how is it so many people fell for the lies of W.H.O. the description of the Chinese government,and the inaccurate projected numbers of Covit 19 victims, put out by well foolish so called experts,whos motive may or may not have been so pure. What your suggesting is nonsense, no matter what you can not escape the fact You Tube took this video down, you have to ask why? I haven’t Hurd a a intuitive explanatory response yet. Only a few responses coming from people who don’t want to look at a different perspective,who don’t want to entertain the fact that yet again they have,we all have, been lied to again. Only this lie carries with it the potential of completely filtering life as we know it. MSM has done it’s job well for its bosses ,the corporatocrisy and controlling elite. It’s far worse than the 9/11… Read more »
Well said, but I don’t support your idea that this lie is far worse than the 911 lie.
911 is rapidly becoming history, but that doesn’t alter the fact that it is still one of the most atrocious things in which any western government has been complicit within human memory. The psychopathic architects of that murderous little escapade, along with their illustrious media enablers, need to be dealt with too.
The traitors pretending to work for us in our western governments wouldn’t do this unless something of catastrophic proportions was coming which had to be hidden behind something else. Others here have suggested what that something might well be. I can only hope human beings will have a future where they can look back upon the year 2020, the year when a secret government – the government behind the government which everybody knew about – dared, in all seriousness, to shut down the world because they were terrified at the prospect of the people they claim to represent actually discovering the astronomic scale of the outright greed and pre-meditated wickedness which had been going on behind their backs for so many decades. This secretive filth was brought up in, and has become addicted to, the lifestyle of the Neroes, Caligulas and Napoleons of this world, so there isn’t a hope… Read more »
What’s wrong with the Napoleons of this world. Waterloo was a great shame!
Okay, strike Napoleon. Caligula and Nero will do nicely.
The thing of catastrophic proportions that was coming was the collapse of the debt bubble that could have brought down the entire financial system. The markets started to collapse around mid to late February partly because of the oil price war, partly because markets were a little spooked. That is when bailout plans were activated. The “Italian” crisis which is in reality a “badly managed hospitals and care homes in Lombardy crisis” was inflated by the media to justify bailouts and lockdowns everywhere else. In Germany the bailouts preceded the lockdown and the first tranche was announced on a day when they had FIVE covid deaths. The day before, Deutsche Bank share price was headed towards zero. DB can bring down the entire system with its 37 trillion euro in nominal derivatives. Of course, there are factors at play: vaccine parasites always looking for a good pandemic, unintended consequences etc.… Read more »
Indeed so. You mention, however, that what was coming was “the collapse of the debt bubble that could have brought down the entire financial system”, but others say that the debt bubble is actually bringing that system down right now… I can’t see any reason to use the past tense for what is currently happening, and I’m keeping my eyes peeled for bank and corporation bailouts as we speak.
Thank the universe. Some common sense at last. I have to admit, I initially bought into the fear propaganda. These two guys remained calm and repeatedly returned to ‘data’ analysis. Full of admiration for their conduct.
So well done!
Isn’t it just ludicrous that YouTube would even think of pulling such a video, after 4.3 million views…? Dear Google, that video is now out there, as is your reputation for pulling it. You’re too late.
Heres another doctor from Americas opinion with the pithy observation at the end of a write up of how front line staff at a US hospital are having to get to grips with SAR-Cov-2 through the treatment of a single patient brought in as an emergency from a rehab hospital.
‘Usually a public health problem is a healthcare system opportunity. Not so this time. Oddly, during a pandemic hospitals turn out to be like restaurants or barber shops — customer-service businesses suddenly without customers. Arguably it’s even worse than that: The restaurants can close their doors to reduce expenses.’
https://medium.com/@mattbivens_34439/the-pandemic-era-emergency-dept-weirder-wilder-emptier-than-ever-a1ec4fdfa497
(Via a link from MoA’s latest)
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Lets not forget they have better resources than most UK hospitals.
A thrilling read full of information.
Dare you to read it and not feel humbled.
Thank you for posting this! I tried to watch this interview on YouTube thanks to the link journalist Ben Swann gave on his YouTube channel only to find YouTube had deleted it for the mendacious excuse that it did not respect their “guidelines”. It did not respect “the narrative” for sure. People at the top of YouTube and Google (parent company) are simply criminals: this is censorship, pure and simple.
More on this, I checked Ben Swann’s own video in which he talked about the Californian doctors’ interview and gave fragments of it… Well, this video has now been taken down as well by GooTube for the same mendacious “guidelines” excuse.
Moreover, in what decidedly looks like “real team spirit”, it appears now that Facebook bans stay-at-home protests posts, calling them “harmful mis-information”.
So they call free thinking and free speech “harmful mis-information”, in short…
“Harmful” for whom exactly? Google/YouTube and Facebook ARE harmful, for real data, facts, truth, critical thinking and freedom of speech. All they want is a brain-dead audience watching their adds.
Pitchfork times it seems, folks.
Was just having a quiet moment away from the fray and I notice they have added an extra 4k to total?
Reminds me of this…
Was not that please ignore.
Yes, the British people love to stick their parents into old people’s homes and forget them so that they can keep “living it up” without being burdened by them. Those poor old people then get abused, starved, and generally rot away, generally speaking. Worse still, the Tories outsourced this rotting away of old people to the private sector so that their friends could make some nice money from “caring” for them. Even worse, the Tory bastards ignored these old people when COVID hit, and the virus ripped through these “care” homes like a brush fire felling thousands of old people. Then finally, a journalist got to hear about this manslaugher and grilled the government incessantly. Eventually the Tory bastards had to admit it, and now some (not all) of those dead old people have been added to the total. In summary, these extra numbers are due to heartless Tory fascist… Read more »
Its not a conspiracy to make the numbers up – they are quite openly admitting it. Shame you would rather ignore that to play the tired old left / right paradigm distraction game. Must try harder.
Some truth in what you say, but the Tory attitude to public health care is exactly what Frank Speaker says, and it is not irrelevant to the human cost of what we are now experiencing.
That’s a different argument to the point I was trying to make. Tory health policy may not be irrelevant to the overall cost and I havent said it is. The point I was making is that the numbers we are being provided with are deliberately inflated to the point of being fraudulent. Those providing them openly admit that cases dying with covid are being classed as covid deaths even if that was a case of terminal cancer. Adding this new 4K to the total when there is no evidence of these being covid deaths as a lot were not tested or even within the health service is only adding to this phony total and corrupt narrative. Whatever govt health policy as played is not irrelevant to the overall numbers but at the moment it is impossible to extrapolate any meaningful data and numbers from those provided and at this point… Read more »
We’re probably basically in agreement then. You seemed to find Frank’s reference to Tories an objectionable and irrelevant dig at the Right, but when it comes to matters of crowd control, it’s invariably the Right which seems, suddenly, to find itself in its element. A Prime Minister from Eton, however thick, is going to find such an opportunity to “guide” the masses irresistible, and we should be aware of which elements in his political world are most likely to affect his decisions – including how seriously he takes the actual statistics of CoVid.
a) We are being controlled;
b) Johnson is Prime Minister;
c) Johnson is a Tory.
So it seems, at least to me, that left/right politics are bound to play a role here. Needless to say, by “left”, I do not mean the likes of Blair and Starmer.
People always under-estimate just how virulent is the Rightists’ hatred of other people.
I think if anyone would like a future that even remotely resembles anything prior to march 2020 its time to put the left/right bitching on hold for a while…you can argue to your hearts content once we have dealt with whats happening now….if its not dealt with there will only be one party line to follow anything else will be deemed seditionary (and yes i know sedition was removed from the statute books however so was imprisoning the healthy……didnt take them long to change that did it ?)
So great to find this video again. Thank you
Emanuelle, The critique of it, posted a few hours ago, below is even better.
Which critique, tony?
I accept that COVID is probably a new real relation of Coronavirus of which the common cold is one, I think it is far more likely to be a natural new variant, and not a manufactured one. Whether it is or not, is not that important. True objective analysis, of all data available from official sources, indicates, that until very recently total overall death rates, from all causes has been lower this winter than normal. The numbers have only started to escalate, directly because of the lockdown, due to routine medical care being withdrawn, and other direct effects of social isolation. The evidence that an enormous number of deaths are now miss-classified as COVID is overwhelming. What seems almost beyond dispute, is that this entire event has been extremely well planned over a long period of time, and its effect on frightening 90% of the World’s population via incessant propaganda,… Read more »
Pretty much my opinion too. I notice that on this site there are a growing number of comments from people linking globalism with Socialism and the reaction to the pandemic as “Communism”. It seems that the pandemic has changed some people’s lifelong political beliefs. I hasten to add I disagree with the WHO led reaction but I also disagree with ignoring the virus in favour of the economy. History may show PM Johnson’s “do nothing” attitude in the first month was the straw that broke the camel’s back.
Denialism is overwhelmingly a Rightwing phenomenon, because it derides the very real catastrophes, economic, ecological and geo-political, that capitalism causes.
I view economic systems as merely a means to an end. China and Cuba both have excellent healthcare systems. So did Lombardy until 10 years ago. So did Canada 15 years ago. I think both capitalist, socialist, communist systems can co-exist in different areas of the different world. But I don’t think that there is any doubt that public health is a public good in the classic economic definition of the word. There are some systems: sewage, water, transportation, telecommunications, healthcare, energy that should not be privatized. That may sound like a lot (what’s left you might say) but in effect that was Canada and most of Europe in the 1950s to 1980s.
Tony, a very good assessment, that I won’t add to. But I will just add something about growing food: we’ve dug up a large part of our garden to grow food (and we’re fortunate to have quite a large garden). Everything’s been planted and is now growing, from potatoes to peas to strawberrys to cucumbers, etc. We also have a huge vine that provides a canopy on the back terrace (for booze). One thing you can’t get in this part of France is UK runner beans. The equivalents here are a poor comparison (I’m amazed that the French haven’t latched onto how delicious a UK runner bean is). Fortunately friends in the UK sent us some runner bean seeds, which we planted a few days ago. We used to keep chickens as well, but I got fed-up with chasing them around the adjoining cow field every time they escaped. So,… Read more »
RobG,
My wife and my 4 year old Grandson, do runner beans – even at school, well he did, till they closed his school down. We are missing our Grandchildren like crazy, but their Mum will not allow them to come round. She has been brainwashed too, and my son who is sensible has got to cope with her. I feel sorry for the kids. They just love Nana so much, and must be going stir crazy, cos they haven’t a garden to play in and have spent almost their entire life in ours, where they were born – well local hospital. They only live a mile away.
Tony
Tony,
Hope this helps; although the UK “experts” are dismissive of the idea.
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https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/world/switzerland-lets-children-under-10-to-visit-grandparents-as-they-cant-pass-on-coronavirus/ar-BB13mPqE?li=AAFtnGm
Children aged under ten will be allowed to hug and visit their grandparents again, under new social distancing guidance in Switzerland.
But …, but…, but…, but…, they have been telling us that the virus can live on plastic for four hours, nine hours on metal and even several days on certain other materials… What about the childrens’ clothes…?
If this is for real, then maybe the Swiss authorities are indirectly telling us that they think enough is enough of this artificially-induced end-of-the-world farce. Perhaps the existence of the Swiss Propaganda Research group has something to do with it? I hope so.
I agree with the sentiment. But why?
Who would it serve to plan something like this? What government or economy benefits from this?
I hear a lot of implications on this forum about sinister plans going on, but I always wonder, what and who would that really benefit?
I’m not doubting that it might benefit some countries / groups, but to me it isn’t obvious.
Please enlighten me.
The rich parasites have already been given several trillion to protect their Precious-their ‘assets’. And to buy up small and medium businesses that fail. All administered, in the USA, by one of their own, Mnuchin, the bankster slum-lord. The huge debt pile will be used to justify ever more vicious austerity, and one-sided class and religious hatred. The calamity will ensure more intrusive and widespread surveillance and tracking, and Internet censorship. The vaccine programs will be highly profitable, hence the fanatic campaign to deny the efficacy and safety of hydroxychloroquine etc, led by the vermin at the Guardian sewer, and other effluent conduits. And it is perfect for waging a hate war on China, an absolute priority for the Five Eyes and Zionist ‘Gods Upon the Earth’.
There are two answers: 1) The “little benefit” is also known as “disaster capitalism.” This is where bigger, richer players pick up destroyed/weakened players at bargain prices. There’s also lots of money to be made in things like virus testing, treatment, and vaccines (to say nothing of jacking up prices for essential items, etc). But this is nothing new. Several fortunes were made DURING the Great Depression, etc. 2) It’s the “big benefit” that’s harder to see because it functions on such a large scale. Normally, we “lose the forest for the trees” because we’re looking at trees such as national governments (US, China, Russia, etc) or big businesses like Microsoft and Amazon. But the “forest” that these sick goons are working on is a plan to convert humanity itself into equity. Right now, they’re just buying and selling data about humans, but the ultimate goal is to “capture” or… Read more »
I think the trillions of pounds/dollars/rupees/etc in profits available to vaccine manufacturers and their shareholders might give you a hint
Gas is cheapest its ever been. There is glut too. Our storage capacity could be full if necessary. Qatar is desperate to ship LNG. The Russian pipelines Turkstream and Nordsttream2 are live and ready to pump as much as is neededto all of Europe and even the Ukrainian pipeline is fully functional again.
We are not going to run out of gas next winter. If you want to put up a large gas tank in the corner of your garden and fill it up cheaply wait a few more months for the cheapest whole sale prices as our storage becomes full.
Dungroanin, Part of my education included, such basic concepts as contingency planning and disaster recovery. When they told me, that is now part of my job, I had to think about it very seriously, and continue to do so, especially now, and I really was not expecting this.
Hope you are well. Whilst I disagree with you most of the time, I do like to argue with people. What side of London do you live? I wouldn’t mind a chat with you if the pubs ever reopen. Invite Rhys Jagger as well. I would love to meet him.
What subject would you like? I know he’s good at growing veg.
Tony
I am a East Londoner. Not sure if fine country gentlemen venture farther than Islington. I never met or talked or know any of the posters or patrons of the various sites I traverse and am not sure it would be wise … you know it’s always disappointing to meet your heroes. I’m sure though you wouldn’t be but i’d get tongue-tied and blush and that sort of embarrassment. It would though certainly stop my honest thoughts ever being expressed to you again when typing and picturing the recipient. I was actually planning to get along to Belmarsh with everyone in May – thousands from my poll extrapolation where I expected to catch sight of some worthies … but that appears to be delayed. All well here, lovely April showers doing wonders for my roses and ‘lawn’, quite welcome to not be wandering around making many watering can journeys. Unfortunately… Read more »
“What seems almost beyond dispute, is that this entire event has been extremely well planned over a long period of time….I would prefer it, if I thought the pandemic was real, rather than no more serious than any other flu like disease, because then, I could see an end to it. ”
Exactly the point. If it were real, it would be over. However if the danger of the virus is deliberately being hyper-sensationalized, which I believe it is, it will never be over. However these people have not accounted for unintended consequences. They thought they could just lock us up, toss some crumbs to keep us quiet and life goes on as before (for them). It’s not going to work out that way. I hope we can find a way to take back control without violence and upheaval.
Scamdemic
Such is the ocean of fear porn and propaganda at the moment that it’s rather startling to come across medical professionals talking sense.
Stay at home. Protect our NHS. Save lives.
All elections have been suspended. Do not try to overthrow the government, otherwise you will be shot.
Talking of which, it might be worth keeping an eye on France this coming Friday, May Day.
Just to turn up the volume on the fear scale:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/covid-19-death-rates-are-comparable-to-ebola-for-hospital-cases-nhs-study-finds-p75frbq33 (Paywall)
They do go on to say that the vast majority suffer mild or no symptoms at least.
In passing, there is plenty of bad science surrounding Ebola:
http://www.howpositiveareyou.com/2014/11/20/hpay-091-david_rasnick/
http://infectiousmyth.podbean.com/e/ebola-and-polio-120914/
http://infectiousmyth.podbean.com/e/the-infectious-myth-an-ebola-vaccine-is-it-enough-080817/
Some familiar themes: failure to purify & isolate the virus; no proof it’s contagious; elastic collection of symptoms; a dodgy vaccine trial.
Thanks for the gorgeous music. Certainly the opposite of panic!
These two doctors join a growing list of medical scientists including Ioannidis and others who are challenging the lockdown. The reporters asking questions in the background appear to be all MSM imbued with a sort of how dare you challenge more famous experts than yourselves type of response. Note that the two doctors do eventually point out that deaths with comorbidities account for most of the deaths, a point entirely generally ignored by MSM reporting to boost the terrified factor. Four percent of infected die overall, they say, and 96% of these have comorbidities. They also point to incidental problems from the Mega-Terror-Story such as child abuse, spouse abuse, let alone the economic problems and stress. They ask is this the right approach, this lockdown? What else is going on? (And their reasonable presentation is banned by you-tube?? That alone tells us “something else is goingn on.” ) Everybody in… Read more »
Why just America? The whole western world is full of people who have allowed themselves to be scared by this panic pantomime. Can’t you just hear people complaining, “But my brain HURTS when I use it!”…
Of course you’re right that our species MUST, nevertheless, start doing that. Way back in my secondary school days, time was set aside in our English classes for actual practice in thinking. I still have reason to be grateful for that, as has most of my generation, but I fear that the popular quip, “Use it, or lose it”, is very soon going to apply negatively to our current youngsters, whose teachers have given up trying to initiate them into the arts and mysteries of thinking…
Dark Ages don’t appear to be accidents, but are very probably worked towards by certain types of “authorities”. I think many of us recognize them by now.
I think we need to start asking questions (as in follow-up to the video) that, okay, to begin with excessive caution might be understandable as the doctors point out. Possibly all the generalized info following was not propaganda but unfortunately shallow (generalized and sensationalized) for some good reason other than frightening the populace. But by now mounting studies show, definitively, the thing has been hyped. We didn’t need to shut down 100% of the economy. We might have penned in considerably less, in hot spots such as NY city. So, we need to get more info on the WHY question here. (And yes, you’re right–it’s all of us who consider ourselves neighbors on this planet who need to do it, and are doing it.
I am not supporting this, only suggesting it is worth a read and a reaction.
https://www.dr-rath-foundation.org/2020/04/nobel-prize-winning-scientist-who-discovered-hiv-says-coronavirus-was-created-in-laboratory/?fbclid=IwAR2DkjMtfd26w65fkiq8anaO7HG2iM0r4wuv5RMQPOg299Fozp-rTVXQw9c
I have a problem w/ Montagnier, he created a synthetic virus, sent it to Gallo, and Gallo used it as the virus discovery, so the pronouncement he discovered the AIDS virus is dubious andc there a number of books documentaries that chronicle the HIV=AIDS hoax. However it does give some credence to the possibility of a lab virus, coupled w/ the info on a pathogen leak in USA, soldiers, from the base where leak came from, sent to Wuhan, and the cross collaboration between bioweapons labs in USA and China, oops sorry bio defence labs….
Thanks. I wondered about that, because I had read some things about that “discovery” involving Fauci, who was close to Gallo. Hence the doubt I expressed. I do share your speculation on the rest of it.
There’s no justification for taking their video down, but YouTube is a private corporation and they can do whtever they want, let’s not forget that, even if we disagree with their cowardly / dastardly approach. The video could however be misleading to those who know little. There probably needed to be some context somewhere in it. The reason is that the global statistics are settling to show a mortality rate for COVID-19 in the region of 0.5% – 1.0%. That’s an order of magnitude below the 5-10% that was leading to all the hysteria that got us into the present state of global societal pychosis. The difference between these being that COVID is much more widely present in the community with most casese being very mild or not noticeable. Nevertheless, by comparison, the mortality rate from influenza is typically 0.1%, therefore COVID is 5-10 times more lethal even if massively… Read more »
You are liar: the doctors calculate that the CFR is close to 0,1%, just like seasonal flu.
That ‘the video could however be misleading to those who know little’ is another lie. In fact, it deserves wide distribution as the message is crystal clear.
It is just you ‘Alpine Observer, who tries to muddy the waters.
Liar? I’m pointing out the COVID numbers on Worldometer being very high, and saying they are 10 times higher than the reality. We are both agreeing that the reported mortality rate of COVID is much higher than reality, so we are both liars then according to your logic.
The cultists tend to fly off the handle at any sign of Badthink.
You are completely wrong. Go to the Worldometers website where all the official figures are and you can calculate mortality for yourself, country by country. The vast majority (ie all except spain and italy) are coming in 0.03 – 0.13% with spain and italy at 0.3%. So Covid is the same as flu except for those countries whose demographics are tilted towards the elderly.
Not so, Yorkshire pud. Numbers on Worldometer are –
World: 226,401 total deaths from 3,194,976 total cases = 7.1%. That’s in the middle of my range of 5-10% mortality rate.
My point was that the the real numbers are just one tenth of these numbers, because COVID is much more widespread and harmless than the number of cases on Worldometer show.
Then, influenza is one tenth (10%) of the real numbers of COVID, or one hundredth (1 %) of Worldometer COVID numbers.
The CFR for Covid is indeed 7.1% as you stated but I was presenting the IFR completely different. The MSM compares Covid CFR to Flu IFR to fool people.
For anyone reading :
CFR – Confirmed Fatality Rate = Deaths / confirmed cases
IFR – Infected Fatality Rate = Deaths / Infected
Infected = population * fraction of sample that is positive
Fraction positive = confirmed cases / tests
The infected rate becomes more accurate as more blanket testing is done which is why it could not be done earlier because it was weighted by the high positives being the ones who had symptoms at a hospital.
idiot
Don’t be so harsh upon yourself.
I would differ with this view/conclusion considering the fact that COVID19 deaths are being generously determined, notwithstanding the co-morbidity factors that seems to be ignored. The test simply shows you are positive for what they determine to be a specific pathogen, however the tests are not exact, and doctors, at least in USA and Italy from what I have read are influenced to determine that patients died of COVID19 W/O any real confirmation. As well,as we continue to test and find that many people are positive, this should lead the ‘experts’ to conclude the virus is less lethal since so many people have it W/O consequence, unless of course you are over 75 years old and have health issues
Looks like MoA has joined the fray:
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/04/some-links-to-covid-19-reads.html#more
The guy who has been labelled “conspiracy theorist” is now using that pejorative himself. Pretty rich isn’t it?
Seems like MoA is now using, rather than deconstructing, mainstream news outlets like WaPo, The Economist, Financial Times etc. as his go-to credible sources. Pretty cool huh?
The last place to hide a lie is in audacity. So b says that ‘Medical doctors are not well trained in statistics. When personal financial interest are involved they ignore even its most basic rules.’ And then, without showing what these 2 doctors actually had to say, he just lists some journals that have high stakes in getting the scam running. What a guy! Being an MD myself I decided to do some counting and see if my statistical skills are working. That is: I counted how many approved with B’s analysis. Of the first 7 comments, there were 6 who, quite frankly, dissapproved with B and 1 who was not really clear in its reasoning. Oh and BTW, saying that ‘ Medical doctors are not well trained in statistics. When personal financial interest are involved they ignore even its most basic rules.’ is pure racism. Surely there are some… Read more »
‘He’ (or his mods) is also censoring now. Of the first 7 comments I counted, some dissapeared. Guess you need to make screenprints there now, As if you are reading the Guardian.
The thing that gets me with reductive comments claiming doctors are not statisticians is that the reductive knife cuts both ways. Statisticians are not doctors. Being able to expertly calculate statistical probabilities (with dubious figures mind you) does not mean you gain some insight into how things work in the medical field.
From my experience the true quality of any statistical analysis is found in the evaluation and typically knowledge of the field is required to evaluate the numbers both qualitatively and quantatively, ie. What are the numbers telling us about what we know about subject which we base our hypothesis on.
Just to add, even the hypothesis needs to be motivated from a place of field knowledge.
I’ve always been suspicious about MoA. No identification… seems to be on the crest of each wave of new info in impossible areas like Libya and Syrian wars…cited profusely everywhere in the alt media… rarely has actual root citations or raw information, yet their assertions just take off seemingly all by themselves. I always wondered if this was an intelligence operation. No evidence for it other than my spidey sense.
I was always skeptical of the MoA site due to the chosen theme song.
The version of which, as performed by Jim Morrison [Son of the Admiral Morrison, in charge of the USN fleet in the Gulf of Tonkin in 1964, that reported the false sightings of North Vietnamese gunboats, that was used to kick off the Vietnam Fiasco.] with the line “show me the way to the next little girl, oh don’t ask why.” Creepy.
MoA has the theme song, as performed by Jim Morrison and the Doors, with the line “show me the way to the next little girl. Oh, don’t ask why.” Creepy.
BTW Jim Morrison was the son of the USN Admiral in command in the Gulf of Tonkin in 1964. The reported (false) sightings of North Vietnamese gunboats happened under his command.
Re: an article on RTE today about the new tracking initiative. Human Rights Lawyer and Director of Ada Lovelace Institute (AI thinktank) writes: “There is concern that those who don’t have access to digital technology are less likely to benefit from the app. In the UK that’s around 30% of people who are digitally excluded. “Those people include, not only the elderly, but people from certain social groups and its possible that the people who are most likely to be excluded from access to digital technologies are also the people who are most likely to suffer from the virus.” This person implies that the “digitallly excluded” are made up of elderly and “certain social groups” (read impoverished people). And according to her they have a higher likelihood of getting the virus, that is to say they are poor, so dirty, so virus prone. Maybe she should take a look at… Read more »
Sorry, forgot to add the source:
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0429/1135481-covid-tracing-app/
“AI think tank” is enough to discredit that source.
Pushing the idea that artificial, machine intelligence is superior to natural, human intelligence.
The Rise of the Machines.
In the West anything with the monicker ‘Human Rights’ attached to it is almost certainly a front for The Empire, and the apparatchiki knowing or unwitting stooges.
Let’s just use a bit of our own “neo-mediaeval social control” and put our traitors in the stocks as soon as possible – before the rotten eggs and tomatoes become all that we have left to eat… After that, it will probably become apparent that we don’t have anything like enough vacant prison cells in which to keep them for their long sentences, so their debt to society will have to be paid by other means.
and on a more serious note, check this out:
https://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/top-news/killer-enterprise-how-big-pharmas-most-corrupt-companies-plans-corner-covid-19-cure-market/
“Emergent’s history of corruption and profiteering has in no way prevented them from cashing in on the Covid-19 global health crisis”
That is precisely why the MSM vermin are so determined to denigrate hydroxychloroquine, a cheap, effective and safe treatment in the early stages of infection. The scum will have blood on their hands, and the BigPharma parasites billions in their bank accounts, when hugely expensive drugs like remdesivir are used, and HCQ is banned, as one BigPharma ‘doctor’ stooge has already demanded here in Austfailia.
Lovely hair, must be the air. What is the difference between this version and the ones available on youtube still? They don’t deny that SARS-CoV2 is new and very contagious and dangerous for these with pre-existing conditions. Marcel a poster earlier on here put up a transcript from the broadcast i believe. It makes it perfectly clear why there was a quarantine without saying so – to flatten the curve and stop the hospital icu’s becoming over whelmed. The doctor does explicitly state: I would start slowly [open up schools sporting events] I think we need to open up the schools start getting kids back to the immune system you know and the major events the sporting events these are non-essential let’s get back to those slowly. And he makes it clear we need more testing. Which is woeful in the UK and belatedly being started, though it seems we… Read more »
Everything you post gets downvotes now which is childish. As you know, I disagree strongly with your position on Brexit but nothing you say in this, or many of your comments about covid-19 are blatantly untrue, it’s just that your opinion clashes with those who either think the whole thing is a scam or those that think this is no different to seasonal flue; neither of which is true. And we will only know the full picture next year when full mortality data is released (We all know the current attributed covid-19 deaths aren’t trustworthy data).
I assume this is where you committed political heresy. It would be nice if people explained themselves rather than hiding behind downvotes.
Cheers Lundiel. I have pretty thick skin and to see such a quick set of down tickers after my posts is very revealing.. As you may know all my posts are based on facts and I usually cite the source. I make clear what is my opinion only. The statement that you highlight about the virus is very contagious is MADE by one of the doctors – it’s in the transcript! So what to make of it? It obviously comes across as trying to force the narrative, regardless of what even they cite as ‘expert’ knowledge itself says! It is satisfying in a way that I have become seen as someone worthy of not being read by use of the downvote marker – Proyet must be jealous. My current assessment is that we are over halfway and quarintine will start easing by end of May and be geographically and sectorially… Read more »
The traditional, conventional, “legacy” right/left dichotomy was at best a rule of thumb, and it’s been obvious during this century that the right thumb vs. left thumb signposts no longer reliably apply to the changing territory. So the conventional, mass-media consent-manufacturers’ premise is that anyone who doesn’t fervently espouse the Official Megadeath Narrative of Doom must perforce be a degraded right-winger and/or capitalist deathmonger. This view, or skew, is corroborated by the unfortunate emergence of what I’m coming to call the “conservative left”: ostensible leftists and contrarians who embrace the Megadeath Narrative, principally to express horrified high dudgeon at any skeptical views of the Narrative, and official indications that political and health authorities are considering relaxing or discontinuing ostensibly onerous “lockdown” restrictions. Just scan the World Socialist website (WSWS), which has become a litany of scare headlines denouncing alleged government attempts to return to the status quo ante. If one… Read more »
I’ve noticed that Tucker Carlson has recently stopped deserving his contemptible reputation, and often even seems to make a lot of sense.
another brilliant insight from the Slog
https://hat4uk.wordpress.com/2020/04/29/new-iabato-virus-threat-stuns-world/
A TERROR NARRATIVE YouTube’s banning of Dan Erickson and Artin Massihi press conference is unequivocal proof that NSA/Google is threatening the lives and liberty of the US population. A conscious effort is being put forth by state-run mainstream media news, and co-opted independent websites including social media platforms to terrorize the US population. A fear about COVID-19 is being advanced as a way of gaining acceptance for heightened surveillance ultimately resulting in an even greater loss of liberty. Science, is defined as the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behaviour of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment. If that’s what is science is about, then shouldn’t the public have access to ALL scientific data derived through observational and experimental evidence. Why is the security state shielding the public from data disagreeing with the “terror narrative.” The only reason the security state… Read more »
Im afraid Charlotte that relying on people to end censorship may not be realistic. Before I thought that the downtrodden, because they would be the first to lose their earnings, and wont have savings, would simply because of hunger react. But I now realise that the more disempowered you are, the more your spirit is broken, the less likely a reaction may be. Rather you may be more likely to kiss the hand that in effect kills you. No, rather any hope of any end to this dire situation may take its time to come, but will come from the middle and upper middle classes: for this time they have been affected. E.g. just take airline industry, airlines and hence airbus, boeing are unlikely to survive. This means massive unemployment among pilots, cabin and ground crews, engineers, technicians, etc. Most of them are unlikely to find any jobs at a… Read more »
You’re correct it’s the middle class and small business owners who are speaking out against the loss of liberty. They object to being held prisoner in their own home. They despise being told what’s essential. And they refuse to be pushed into taken vaccines rushed to the market and insufficiently tested.
We live in upside world. The Left is promoting the security state’s narrative and the libertarian right are saying they had enough.
Obviously the video shouldn’t have been taken down, but I must admit to having a problem with how they extrapolated the data. I think they were testing people who had symptoms or had been in contact with confirmed cases? So therefore not a random sample and would skew the numbers when you extrapolate. However, I did take a look at Iceland’s numbers a day or two ago, and they had tested 12 % of the population, and anyone who wanted a test got one. I think that is a pretty large sample and random enough? So using the same method with Iceland : Iceland has a population of about 365k, and has tested about 46k, so 12.6% of population Out of 46k, 1789 tested positive – which is 4% of all tests. So as its a large and random sample, extrapolate that 4% out, and it gives you about 14,600… Read more »
Yes, that is a nice confirmation of what the 2 doctors found: a CFR of Covid19 in Iceland that approximates the CFR of seasonal flu (as these doctors also found)
Klein
With regard to your second sentence you will be interested to see this video in which Dr Erickson is more explicit about the very point you raise. This video was posted on this thread earlier on today by @bob. It’s only about 10 minutes long and the point about ‘randomness’ is covered at the very beginning.
Thanks, so it started off targeted but then moved to random. I wish they had mentioned that in their original video!
Klein, I’m repeating myself from an earlier reply to someone else. Go to Worldometers and there you will find full data for all countries. Over 6 million tests which I suspect is a statistically significant sample! If you calculate the IFR mortality country to country it is the same as seasonal flu, some countries higher, some much lower.
The ifr may be the same , much less or more than a flu or bad cold but what percentage of the population actually gets the flu or bad cold every year and how many of these don’t have previous immunity? That’s what determines the actual numbef of deaths in absolute terms.
That is true. Knut Wittcowski did make a good point in his latest interview that made a lot of sense – he said that every virus that spreads around is novel, otherwise it wouldn’t spread…
The cold is a tricky one as it is caused by many different viruses. And the flu is so useless at replicating itself that it changes so much – and a nice new vaccine needed each year.
Anyway, if this new coronavirus is to become endemic, it could mean it becomes less lethal. No idea, just speculating.
No need to speculate. Every host that is infected will reproduce the virus and it will by definition not be exactly the same as the one that arrived. Whether it is significantly different in key areas will determine whether it counts as a new strain. Last time I looked they were upto several hundred already! As to becoming less dangerous – well a deadly strain would kill its host – and only a general quarantine would allow that strain to degrade and die – but a future random strain from a relatively harmless strain could well randomly become more deadly. Our flu vaccines are not for every strain that is beginning to circulate – they couldn’t possibly be. It takes months to make industrial levels of vaccines. And sometimes vaccines don’t necessarily protect. The herd immunity is to have enough people with enough pre infections that may produce sufficient instant… Read more »
I live in Iceland, and although the State Broadcasting system generally parrots what the mainstream in the rest of the western world says, they do let us hear alternative views without showing any contempt for them. As for life in general, Icelanders are generally following common-sense guidelines, and getting on with everything which it is still possible to get on with. Also, just as with everybody else (except the Washminster “authorities”) the thing that concerns them most is the horrific talk of half of their country becoming unemployed, as well as the thought that life will never get back to normal again.
Perhaps it is relevant that the two Washington Mikes (Pence and Pompeo) recently, and separately, visited the country before Corona did, and a lot of people were wondering, “What on earth for?” I share their unease.
Interesting background on why many people infected with COVID-19 never have symptoms, differences in the number of dead North and South of the equator and the singular case of the Diamond Princess Cruise ship:
https://jefftbowles.com/make-your-immune-system-kill-the-coronavirus-covid-19-before-it-makes-you-sick/?fbclid=IwAR36z6mzVPgV3d54iBXUuViLTMl1_Ujv6foDSJkmLrR0tPieJpCPX-umvkw
Yes good points, and I’ve always advocated vitamin D3, but perhaps I’ve advocated vitamin C more strongly, also zinc, selenium and magnesium (which are good for many things, not simply defence against infections). There is no single vitamin or mineral that is the silver bullet. In truth, our modern diet is generally deficient in all sorts of vitamins, minerals and other nutrients. We need to improve our diets and for most of us supplements will be necessary. He makes good points about sunshine, and at northern latitudes it’s very difficult to get sufficient sunshine, and impossible for about half the year (because the sun is too low in the sky and the UVB gets filtered out). https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/time-for-more-vitamin-d London is at about 51.5 degrees North, well above 37 degrees. (NYC is 40.7). If you are in Scotland…good luck (The Orkneys are at nearly 60 degrees). And we get a lot of… Read more »
I’m the same regarding inertia and the D test. I take 10,000 iu in the Winter, usually less in the Summer but this Summer I may keep it up, doesn’t seem a good time to take less. I’m careful also to take K2, and a lot of the co-factors Magnesium, Zinc and Boron – as very large doses of D3 can cause them to be deficient. (Before I supplemented with a good amount of Magnesium for example I had a lot of insomnia.)
The research project sounds like a good idea.
Thanks for reminding me about boron. I need to get back onto that. Have you heard of (Dr) Jorge Flechas? He has (hope it’s still there) a fascinating lecture about boron on YT. He’s got another one on silicon. His main “thing” (what he’s most famous for) is iodine, along with (Dr) David Brownstein.
Yes, magnesium is good for sleep I’ve found too. According to (Dr) Thomas Levy, although in general you have to be careful not to overdose on minerals, magnesium is one of the safer ones in that respect.
A TERROR NARRATIVE YouTube’s banning of Dan Erickson and Artin Massihi press conference is unequivocal proof that NSA/Google is threatening the lives and liberty of the US population. A conscious effort is being put forth by state-run mainstream media news, and co-opted independent websites including social media platforms to terrorize the US population. A fear about COVID-19 is being advanced as a way of gaining acceptance for heightened surveillance ultimately resulting in an even greater loss of liberty. Science, is defined as the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behaviour of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment. If that’s what is science is about, then shouldn’t the public have access to ALL scientific data derived through observational and experimental evidence. Why is the security state shielding the public from data disagreeing with the “terror narrative.” The only reason the security state… Read more »
Ain’t the ‘Free World’ grand?
The cold winter of 1951 killed an estimated 106,000 people in the UK. The population then was 50,600,000 as compared to 67,800,000 in 2020. So if the same proportion had died, say, this winter just past, it would amount to around 142,000 excess deaths in a season in this country.
I have my fathers black & white photographs of the frozen sea in Kent. You can “sea” similar images of the British winter of 1951 with a quick search.
There were also coal shortages and electricity blackouts, and food rationing was still taking place.
Fuel shortages, electricity blackouts and food rationing are probably what we should expect next winter or the one following [https://www.artberman.com/2020/04/27/game-over-for-oil-the-economy-is-next/].
It is interesting how public perception of mass death is relative to the times, to the cause and to the role of the media in our lives. World War II is said to have killed 450,000 people in six years in the UK – equivalent to ‘a 1951’ every year, and that with people blowing each other up. I’d not heard of the winter of 51 before today though.
It all rather puts the above average death of covid this Spring into perspective of things past and things to come. For some at least.
HOLD EVERYTHING !! The Sun “newspaper” is telling us……
“Death Toll could be a third higher as a poll shows Brits fear end of Lockdown.”
So there you have it. We don’t want to be free anymore. We just appreciate and applaud what our political masters are doing for us. How did we survive without such guidance and protection in the past I wonder ? Just look at those soaring Covid-19 “Death Statistics” and you get an idea of how lethal this new plague really is. I’m so terrified now that I may never leave the house again. Feeling like am lost in a very dangerous predicament and in need of some practical commonsense advice. Think I will phone that Bill Gates guy. He seems like a nice man who wears specs and is obviously a very clever person whom we can trust in these challenging times.
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I would venture to suggest that this isn’t about support for extension of lockdown. For a little while there has been slow build up (via telegraphing by certain “journalists”) of an operation to blame economic damage on a public appetite for lockdown. I assume that this poll has been invented towards these same ends. Likewise, because at this time certain corporate-media is floating an idea about the taxation of savings, expect soon to see improbable polls showing approval for being robbed out in the broad daylight.
The Queen is at economic war with the British people
Grafter,
Unfortunately from a reasonably large sample of people I know (and I have almost completely given up arguing), most people agree with The Sun. The ratio is far worse than BREXIT – (about 50:50), and nearly as bad as 9/11, where it was (about 1.5:98.5) ( I nearly convinced one person that the official story was impossible). It’s a bit soul destroying, when most people you know, are so dogmatic, and sometimes quite offensive. Their minds are totally closed, and they do not want to know. They just tell me to stay home, even more so than the government.
Tony
Tony if as you say “most people agree with the Sun” then we really are in trouble. You must be a popular man knowing so many people.
I’m not popular any more. Whilst my wife agreed with me at the start of this, she has been brainwashed by the “Groupthink” too. However, she is still a lot of fun, and is very impressed with me working so hard in the garden planting potatoes. She thinks it will be all over soon, whilst I think it will get considerably worse.
Pardon the length of my comment here which has to do with propaganda coming from CNN- and then compare the CNN reportage with that from these two doctors. Let’s take a quick look at how CNN (Cuomo New Network) propaganda works. For but one example: Here we get the apocalyptic, fear headline: Deaths spiked as Covid-19 spread in March and April, new analysis finds And then the story- on the side of your screen you will see a short interview with the ever-reliable and now regularly featured “expert” Dr. Gupta to lend even more credibility to this new “report.” https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/27/health/deaths-spike-covid-spread/index.html And what does the report actually say? The essence of the report is found in the following comment by Dan Weinberger, the lead epidemiologist(?), (or does he just study infectious disease?) in the report: Using data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the team found about 15,000 excess… Read more »
Great work Maxwell. Makes one wonder if these august scholars and people of the people were “friendly suggestions” to WaPo editors by the good friends at the neighborhood Pharma Lobby? Wonder how much in Pharma ads CNN and WaPo earn each year?
I have no doubt that the more extreme MSM scare mongering like this is a Parma PR strategy.
Also seeing that Off-Guardian is having a problem on Twitter (although I can beat that, having been suspended).
I would suggest the fact that only 5% of “Covid-19” deaths can be uniquely attributable to the disease is causing twitchy sphincters in British military intelligence (see here). Early searches suggest that even the daily death reports in the local papers aren’t mentioning the proportions now.
Nervousness would be understandable. In the final analysis, if all the people who were going to die anyway (including that “excess” that is dying because of the engineered environment that engenders it) are bestowed “with coronavirus” on their death certificate, it won’t change the fact that only 5% didn’t die of something else. And even then, less than 5% will have died from “real” Covid-19 (see here).