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		By: Michael Lesher		</title>
		<link>https://off-guardian.org/2020/05/07/covid19-and-the-left-an-ignored-civil-rights-crisis/#comment-187392</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Lesher]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2020 02:44:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://off-guardian.org/2020/05/07/covid19-and-the-left-an-ignored-civil-rights-crisis/#comment-171164&quot;&gt;Rick&lt;/a&gt;.

I couldn&#039;t pass up this comment (which I just noticed) without a word of thanks. Incidentally, I&#039;m afraid the leadership of my own religious community (I&#039;m an Orthodox Jew) is also contributing to the mess we&#039;re in. I&#039;ve written about that, too:
https://www.facebook.com/notes/michael-lesher/the-selling-of-the-orthodox-rabbinate-how-us-rabbis-are-using-covid-19-to-advanc/10220419062199784/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://off-guardian.org/2020/05/07/covid19-and-the-left-an-ignored-civil-rights-crisis/#comment-171164">Rick</a>.</p>
<p>I couldn&#8217;t pass up this comment (which I just noticed) without a word of thanks. Incidentally, I&#8217;m afraid the leadership of my own religious community (I&#8217;m an Orthodox Jew) is also contributing to the mess we&#8217;re in. I&#8217;ve written about that, too:<br />
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/notes/michael-lesher/the-selling-of-the-orthodox-rabbinate-how-us-rabbis-are-using-covid-19-to-advanc/10220419062199784/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.facebook.com/notes/michael-lesher/the-selling-of-the-orthodox-rabbinate-how-us-rabbis-are-using-covid-19-to-advanc/10220419062199784/</a></p>
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		By: Geoff B		</title>
		<link>https://off-guardian.org/2020/05/07/covid19-and-the-left-an-ignored-civil-rights-crisis/#comment-172174</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geoff B]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2020 18:05:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://off-guardian.org/2020/05/07/covid19-and-the-left-an-ignored-civil-rights-crisis/#comment-171968&quot;&gt;Adam&lt;/a&gt;.

Didn&#039;t look. But appeals to non-authority are as false as appeals to authority. What is written here is true or false. Are you prepared to argue against the actual premise that the left should stand for the working class and civil rights, not cede the issue to the right?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://off-guardian.org/2020/05/07/covid19-and-the-left-an-ignored-civil-rights-crisis/#comment-171968">Adam</a>.</p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t look. But appeals to non-authority are as false as appeals to authority. What is written here is true or false. Are you prepared to argue against the actual premise that the left should stand for the working class and civil rights, not cede the issue to the right?</p>
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		By: Adam		</title>
		<link>https://off-guardian.org/2020/05/07/covid19-and-the-left-an-ignored-civil-rights-crisis/#comment-171968</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Adam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2020 12:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://off-guardian.org/2020/05/07/covid19-and-the-left-an-ignored-civil-rights-crisis/#comment-171164&quot;&gt;Rick&lt;/a&gt;.

The authors name is at the top. Do me a favor and look him up. Let me know what your thoughts are once you’ve familiarized yourself with his other “work”]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://off-guardian.org/2020/05/07/covid19-and-the-left-an-ignored-civil-rights-crisis/#comment-171164">Rick</a>.</p>
<p>The authors name is at the top. Do me a favor and look him up. Let me know what your thoughts are once you’ve familiarized yourself with his other “work”</p>
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		By: Rick		</title>
		<link>https://off-guardian.org/2020/05/07/covid19-and-the-left-an-ignored-civil-rights-crisis/#comment-171164</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2020 11:05:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is journalism, who ever wrote this deserves more money, i wish i could help support your site, but im currently broke and jobless. I see so much bad journalism thats either click bait or copy paste from msm news outlets, the same groups that have scared my grandma into isolation, to afraid to go to the store or the doctors office.  This article feels like it was written by an intelligent caring human being and not a corporate robot with something to gain off of others despair. Ive havent enjoyed reading an article this much in a while. I dont care about politics i just want peace of mind, for everybody. 
  Thank you]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is journalism, who ever wrote this deserves more money, i wish i could help support your site, but im currently broke and jobless. I see so much bad journalism thats either click bait or copy paste from msm news outlets, the same groups that have scared my grandma into isolation, to afraid to go to the store or the doctors office.  This article feels like it was written by an intelligent caring human being and not a corporate robot with something to gain off of others despair. Ive havent enjoyed reading an article this much in a while. I dont care about politics i just want peace of mind, for everybody.<br />
  Thank you</p>
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		By: George Mc		</title>
		<link>https://off-guardian.org/2020/05/07/covid19-and-the-left-an-ignored-civil-rights-crisis/#comment-170978</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[George Mc]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2020 06:42:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://off-guardian.org/2020/05/07/covid19-and-the-left-an-ignored-civil-rights-crisis/#comment-170837&quot;&gt;Robbobbobin&lt;/a&gt;.

See - Isn&#039;t that better?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://off-guardian.org/2020/05/07/covid19-and-the-left-an-ignored-civil-rights-crisis/#comment-170837">Robbobbobin</a>.</p>
<p>See &#8211; Isn&#8217;t that better?</p>
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		By: Robbobbobin		</title>
		<link>https://off-guardian.org/2020/05/07/covid19-and-the-left-an-ignored-civil-rights-crisis/#comment-170887</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robbobbobin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2020 01:42:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://off-guardian.org/2020/05/07/covid19-and-the-left-an-ignored-civil-rights-crisis/#comment-168354&quot;&gt;Waldorf&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;The people running the WSWS probably see themselves as adult and reflective. &lt;em&gt;Their reaction to the virus says otherwise.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;[Emphasis added]&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Have you checked your marbles recently?

The WSWS fret continuously over the gross capitalistic exploitation of the international working class. &#039;International&#039; because that is one of the primary distinctions between Trotskyism on the one hand and Stalinism on the other.
 
The WSWS&#039;s apparent deviation from the Off-Guardian view of COVID-19, which latter sees it as an insignificant bump on the epidemiological landscape that has been hooched up by a rapacious elite anxious to find cover for the failure of state Capitalism (v1.0) and the installation of the digital panopticon as an essential tool in the great reversioning to the globalized v2.0, is based on the reported characteristic of the disease--that it endangers with lasting ill-health and/or death &#039;only&#039; the elderly and those with &#039;co-morbidities&#039;--set against the WSWS insistence that decades of deprivation and impoverishment has rendered the working class rife with co-morbidities across the entire age spectrum, particularly in the &#039;developing&#039; world, such that even a small bias in the CFR against the working class will result in a far greater infliction of misery and dislocation there than elsewhere on the social tree. By the same token, the certain COVID-19 &lt;em&gt;economic&lt;/em&gt; catastrophe--regardless of whether it was engendered by the disease itself or its misuse to perpetuate the supremacy of the already privileged--has already fallen massively disproportionately on the working class.

In other words, both of the religions* that you have chosen to juxtapose into a false opposition see the virus as an essentially irrelevant vector for the introduction of political homogeneity, with the Off-Guardian seeking to preserve and extend the chaos of anarchic libertarianism and the WSWS seeking to impose, with more success than the USSR pilot project had, the inverse heirarchical order of soviet-based socialism.

But you understood that, right? In which case I can only suggest that you look for your missing marbles under your Eggs Benedict.

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* One of the hallmarks of an organised religion is a creed, a defining statement of its characterizing tenets. By that token almost all political parties and many political movements are akin to religions. &#039;Science&#039; is often categorized as a religion and it does indeed have strongly entrenched orthodoxies but over time it has increasingly aligned itself with repeatable (and, latterly, falsifiable) propositions. In that sense, it is more akin to a virus. That is why the Off-Guardian keeps on lining up outlier &#039;experts&#039; who deny the orthodoxies of virology, epidemiology, etc., that &#039;inform&#039; the sociopolitical response, while the WSWS saves its energy by jumping directly to the socio-economic consequences of the {&quot;virus or sociopolitical narrative, hooch-up or rational, whatever you choose, who cares?&quot;} sociopolitical response.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://off-guardian.org/2020/05/07/covid19-and-the-left-an-ignored-civil-rights-crisis/#comment-168354">Waldorf</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;The people running the WSWS probably see themselves as adult and reflective. <em>Their reaction to the virus says otherwise.&#8221;</em>[Emphasis added]</p></blockquote>
<p>Have you checked your marbles recently?</p>
<p>The WSWS fret continuously over the gross capitalistic exploitation of the international working class. &#8216;International&#8217; because that is one of the primary distinctions between Trotskyism on the one hand and Stalinism on the other.</p>
<p>The WSWS&#8217;s apparent deviation from the Off-Guardian view of COVID-19, which latter sees it as an insignificant bump on the epidemiological landscape that has been hooched up by a rapacious elite anxious to find cover for the failure of state Capitalism (v1.0) and the installation of the digital panopticon as an essential tool in the great reversioning to the globalized v2.0, is based on the reported characteristic of the disease&#8211;that it endangers with lasting ill-health and/or death &#8216;only&#8217; the elderly and those with &#8216;co-morbidities&#8217;&#8211;set against the WSWS insistence that decades of deprivation and impoverishment has rendered the working class rife with co-morbidities across the entire age spectrum, particularly in the &#8216;developing&#8217; world, such that even a small bias in the CFR against the working class will result in a far greater infliction of misery and dislocation there than elsewhere on the social tree. By the same token, the certain COVID-19 <em>economic</em> catastrophe&#8211;regardless of whether it was engendered by the disease itself or its misuse to perpetuate the supremacy of the already privileged&#8211;has already fallen massively disproportionately on the working class.</p>
<p>In other words, both of the religions* that you have chosen to juxtapose into a false opposition see the virus as an essentially irrelevant vector for the introduction of political homogeneity, with the Off-Guardian seeking to preserve and extend the chaos of anarchic libertarianism and the WSWS seeking to impose, with more success than the USSR pilot project had, the inverse heirarchical order of soviet-based socialism.</p>
<p>But you understood that, right? In which case I can only suggest that you look for your missing marbles under your Eggs Benedict.</p>
<p>__________</p>
<p>* One of the hallmarks of an organised religion is a creed, a defining statement of its characterizing tenets. By that token almost all political parties and many political movements are akin to religions. &#8216;Science&#8217; is often categorized as a religion and it does indeed have strongly entrenched orthodoxies but over time it has increasingly aligned itself with repeatable (and, latterly, falsifiable) propositions. In that sense, it is more akin to a virus. That is why the Off-Guardian keeps on lining up outlier &#8216;experts&#8217; who deny the orthodoxies of virology, epidemiology, etc., that &#8216;inform&#8217; the sociopolitical response, while the WSWS saves its energy by jumping directly to the socio-economic consequences of the {&#8220;virus or sociopolitical narrative, hooch-up or rational, whatever you choose, who cares?&#8221;} sociopolitical response.</p>
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		By: Robbobbobin		</title>
		<link>https://off-guardian.org/2020/05/07/covid19-and-the-left-an-ignored-civil-rights-crisis/#comment-170837</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robbobbobin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2020 00:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://off-guardian.org/2020/05/07/covid19-and-the-left-an-ignored-civil-rights-crisis/#comment-170274&quot;&gt;George Mc&lt;/a&gt;.

So do &#039;tweets&#039;. Donald Trump&#039;s knees jerk to them. Though, admittedly, he does have to join two or three together from time to time when he aspires to actual &#039;thoughts&#039;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://off-guardian.org/2020/05/07/covid19-and-the-left-an-ignored-civil-rights-crisis/#comment-170274">George Mc</a>.</p>
<p>So do &#8216;tweets&#8217;. Donald Trump&#8217;s knees jerk to them. Though, admittedly, he does have to join two or three together from time to time when he aspires to actual &#8216;thoughts&#8217;.</p>
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		By: George Mc		</title>
		<link>https://off-guardian.org/2020/05/07/covid19-and-the-left-an-ignored-civil-rights-crisis/#comment-170274</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[George Mc]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2020 09:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://off-guardian.org/2020/05/07/covid19-and-the-left-an-ignored-civil-rights-crisis/#comment-170091&quot;&gt;Robbobbobin&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes but MY condescension at least has the advantage of brevity.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://off-guardian.org/2020/05/07/covid19-and-the-left-an-ignored-civil-rights-crisis/#comment-170091">Robbobbobin</a>.</p>
<p>Yes but MY condescension at least has the advantage of brevity.</p>
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		By: Gezzah Potts		</title>
		<link>https://off-guardian.org/2020/05/07/covid19-and-the-left-an-ignored-civil-rights-crisis/#comment-170113</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gezzah Potts]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2020 01:06:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://off-guardian.org/2020/05/07/covid19-and-the-left-an-ignored-civil-rights-crisis/#comment-170060&quot;&gt;Robbobbobin&lt;/a&gt;.

Hey Rob... hope you are travelling okay in your corner of our Planet?
Observing what is unfolding and how people are reacting.... 
I had a brief look at Unz Review yesterday, read one essay, glanced at the comments, but before then hadn&#039;t been there for maybe 4 months.
&#039;but the many lost, confused, bereft, and - in the absence of relief or reason - resentful and blameful&#039;.
Thank you for this reminder, and that despite our &#039;differences&#039; at the end of the day, we are all human beings.
The &#039;System&#039; and the 0.01% divide us in so many ways. And we (including myself) allow it, or go along with it in some way or the other. 
Them. Us. The Other.
I have no idea who Edward Steichen or Carl Sandburg are. Perhaps I should? You&#039;ve given me something to check. 
Take care Rob<img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/270c.png" alt="✌" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://off-guardian.org/2020/05/07/covid19-and-the-left-an-ignored-civil-rights-crisis/#comment-170060">Robbobbobin</a>.</p>
<p>Hey Rob&#8230; hope you are travelling okay in your corner of our Planet?<br />
Observing what is unfolding and how people are reacting&#8230;.<br />
I had a brief look at Unz Review yesterday, read one essay, glanced at the comments, but before then hadn&#8217;t been there for maybe 4 months.<br />
&#8216;but the many lost, confused, bereft, and &#8211; in the absence of relief or reason &#8211; resentful and blameful&#8217;.<br />
Thank you for this reminder, and that despite our &#8216;differences&#8217; at the end of the day, we are all human beings.<br />
The &#8216;System&#8217; and the 0.01% divide us in so many ways. And we (including myself) allow it, or go along with it in some way or the other.<br />
Them. Us. The Other.<br />
I have no idea who Edward Steichen or Carl Sandburg are. Perhaps I should? You&#8217;ve given me something to check.<br />
Take care Rob✌️</p>
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