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The Myth of the “Infallible Elite”

Catte Black

The man behind the curtain would love you to believe he is great and powerful

A commenter BTL called Petra made this claim recently in regard to the conspirators behind 9/11 etc.

All glaring anomalies are deliberate examples of “revelation of the method” / “hidden in plain sight”…

She was referring to the fact Building 7 was so very obviously ‘pulled’. Her thesis being the elites are basically infallible, literally incapable of human error and when they appear to goof or slip up and reveal their lies or fakery, this is all part of their plan.

They are gods essentially, not mortals, and whatever they reveal unto us will be what they choose us to know of their infinite power.

OK.

So, here’s my reply to her.

I recall a true-crime show once where a total psychopath planned his wife’s murder in meticulous detail. Gave her antifreeze by injecting it into an unopened coke bottle or something. Planned an alibi for when she died, covered his tracks.

But then he didn’t empty the trash and the antifreeze container was found there, plus a receipt in his car for the purchase.

Oh, and he had googled ‘how to kill your wife and get away with it’ and hadn’t deleted the search.

Do we think this was intentional “revelation of the method”? Or just an idiot getting caught out?

Do we assume the guy’s intention all along was to get found out and put on death row – because that is where he ended up? Or do we figure he wanted to get away with it, thought he’d been brilliantly deceptive but was defeated by his own limitations?

And, by the way, he was not an isolated example. True crime is littered with people such as this. Often highly educated, intelligent, privileged people who hatch plans to remove a spouse, rival, business partner etc that combine superficial cunning with breathtaking omissions of basic common sense.

You or I could do much better, except we wouldn’t. The fact seems to be that being psychopathic enough to want to do these things renders you, by and large, incapable of doing them successfully or plausibly.

Their lack of empathy makes them ruthless but also incapable of reasoning to the extent of creating an interlocking, three-dimensional narrative of innocence.

The point here being that the minds behind the mass-murdering psyops are of exactly the same kind as those killing spouses, and the motives are just as base – greed, gain, power and other pointless things.

The ‘conspirators’ crank it up a few notches but, just like the guy with the antifreeze, their shenanigans are a dizzying mishmash of ruthless cunning and utter simpleminded incompetence.

They do the equivalent of carefully injecting poison into the coke and then leaving the evidence in the trash – because the idea someone might disbelieve their initial story enough to do even a bit of investigating never crosses their minds.

And of course they’re in no danger of ending up on death row because, unlike hapless antifreeze guy, they own the judiciary, legal system and entire political class so the incentive to try hard isn’t even there.

While we’re on the subject this is a good time to remember these psyops/false flags are never smooth well oiled machines. Their very nature tends to preclude that. They’re not clever heist movies. They are a bedlam of isolated groups working often competing interests. The required level of secrecy and compartmentalizations means control is diffuse and therefore often less than total and easily lost.

The greed and impairment of the driving forces affects every level. There are petty rivalries, one-upmanships. They lie to each other as much as to us. They sell each other out and stitch each other up. Different pockets may be working competing or conflicting narratives. The unexpected inevitably happens. Plans need to be changed or adapted on the fly and not everyone gets to know soon enough.

The middlemen and spokespeople may still be working an old script and, for example, announce the collapse of a building that is still standing.

When this happens fresh panic ensues, emergency narrative improvisations happen and then may be subsequently cancelled due to major plausibility issues.

And so we get smiling Silversteins, smugly thinking they can improvise a backup story of ‘pulling’ building 7, only to be told later that won’t fly, because you can’t rig a building for ‘pulling’ in a matter of hours.

Cue sudden change of direction and WTC7 being airbrushed from the narrative.

The supervillain version of ‘them’ touted by some forgets all this messy human reality and replaces it with unreal and quasi hero-worshipping assumptions of godlike power. And THAT is exactly how these greedy little narcissists want to be seen. It’s their favorite autoerotic workout routine. “That’s right, I’m all powerful, that’s right I play with your mind. Oh yeah baby, I’M A GOD.”

Someone tell Petra and her ilk they are simply asking us to ignore the silly little clown behind the curtain and tremble at the awesome power of Oz.

The PTB love people who do that.

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Roger Lewis
Roger Lewis
Sep 17, 2022 10:49 AM

This is an interesting article, What is Knowable, The Unknown Unknowns of Donald Rumsfeld Fame?

9/11 was a monetary Event, The missing Pentagon Billions and records kept in Building 7

This from Brendan O’Connel iii is worth watching.
Amazingly, no major outlet – Alt or MSM – has seen fit to link Donald Trump’s 911 comment with Bannon’s “end the fed” remarks a week later with the raid on Trump’s lair?

Event 201 was a monetary event . Ushering in the going direct Paradigm.

Obviously, the 2008/9 Global Financial Crisis was also a monetary event but clearly more obviously so.

#FtheWEF was trending on Twitter in the UK a couple of days ago.
#EndTheFed.

“Money” YOU SAY #ARYANS I SAY #ARIANS, Inflation, Cui Bono Who Benefits? Tim Morgans Seeds Falsified? #239: Life after liberalism? Posted on September 13, 2022 THE CESSATION OF GROWTH CHANGES EVERYTHING

The Climate Crisis is also a monetary event, when the Carbon Based Central Bank currencies are in place the CLimate Crisis will go away, and various environmental crises will of course remain but it will be claimed that Austerity through Carbon rationing/Taxation has solved Global Warming.

Victor Efimov calls this the Egregor Matrix.

this or that this lie is always set out as lie number one and lie
19:46
number 2 and, accordingly, people are positioned to choose between them.

«And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand.» (Matthew, 12:25).

Johnnycomelately
Johnnycomelately
Sep 10, 2022 8:37 PM

I have always wondered about this article that Catte Black maybe wrong.
If you understood the occult more then maybe until then The “Infallible Elite” isn’t a myth.And the so called mistakes are made sometimes on purpose.

TheWarOnYou
TheWarOnYou
Sep 23, 2021 8:30 PM

This is a strawman argument, one can assert that “Revelation Of The Method” – i.e. ritual serving of notice of intent – exists without asserting that the ruling class are infallible

shamen
shamen
Sep 21, 2021 1:57 PM

Do correct me if I am wrong surely your suppose too inform your readers where the original term came from and it actual meaning.! not what you think it means.

Revelation of the method in it original l format can be found in
SECRET SOCIETIES A N D PSYCHOLOGICAL WARFARE Michael A. Hoffman II 
King Kill 33 BY JAMES SHELBY DOWNARD & MICHAEL A. HOFFMAN II.

I posted the 1st stages of the method used in Revelation of the method in the original format the night the article came out, it got spam checkd (we are in mercury retra shadow so perhaps) it is lost?

Revelation of the method is a life changer you never see media and alt media the same again.

Your fully understand the psycho dramas that is being played out in stages over a period of time and maybe why they do it and the reason’s why,.

wardropper
wardropper
Sep 21, 2021 2:43 PM
Reply to  shamen

H. G. Wells, in “The Time Machine”, (1895) speaks of the ‘Eloi’, “ignorant, child-like, distant descendants of the contemporary upper class”, to borrow from Wikipedia.

They are the ‘good guys’ in the book, and the hero even falls in love with one of them – to the point of wanting to travel through time to find her again.

That’s something like what our modern ‘elite’ imagine they are going to make out of future survivors:
Ignorant, child-like descendants of contemporary humanity – essentially, robots.
Wells knew more than he let on…

Brian Sides
Brian Sides
Sep 19, 2021 4:16 PM

“True crime is littered with people such as this. Often highly educated, intelligent, privileged people who hatch plans to remove a spouse, rival, business partner etc that combine superficial cunning with breathtaking omissions of basic common sense.”

But we only know about the ones that get caught. How many get away or make some one else get the blame.
If we know what is happening we mostly know about what is happening after the event , when it is to late.
If we know in advance what is planned it is because they have told us. This may be in think tank reports or conferences that are put online.
But most plans are never implemented . Some like the swine flu fail or are tests or trial runs.
So we can never know what is going to be implemented.
Warnings of the 2008 financial crash were few and there were those who could see the crash for a long time but not know when it would happen.
Most will only know what they are told by the accepted narrative.

Dylan Jones
Dylan Jones
Sep 19, 2021 10:41 AM

Setting up division :

No planes vs planes
No explosives/energy weapon versus explosives
No deaths vs deaths
Hoax vs reality
Flat earth versus spherical earth
No virus versus virus

Do you see the pattern?

It’s my conviction that there is a higher octave of conspiracy and it includes key “mistakes”, blind alleys and traps set.
Not saying that TPTB are all powerful but that they most certainly should not be underestimated.

Vedex
Vedex
Sep 20, 2021 4:45 PM
Reply to  Dylan Jones

Sensible comment

barno
barno
Sep 19, 2021 1:52 AM

There is a noticeable pattern when you research deep state events like JFK, RFK, MLK assassinations, OKC and 9/11 attacks. There is an odd lack of concealment which points away from the named perps. What sort of false flag execution leads to the necessity of extensive media cover-up and behind the scenes pressure? We are talking about cover-up requirements for decades after the event due to the sloppiness. Yes there are mistakes due to factors like competing factions, compartmentalization, complexity, efforts by insiders to mitigate the plot, brazenness, etc. Nevertheless the pattern suggests there are way too many mistakes. For example a passport that survives Flight 11 and is conveniently found. That is indicative of a deliberate intention to reveal that unnamed perps were involved in the attack. One theory is that this serves to intimidate, demoralize and confuse anyone who does not readily accept the standard line. Meaning we are talking about mass psychological goals as opposed to some esoteric religious cult-like “revelation of the method” explanation.

Ravensara
Ravensara
Sep 18, 2021 11:18 PM

This is a really good article – I know nothing about 9/11 but I have had many discussions about the relationship between incompetence and bad intentions. Catte Black nails it.

wardropper
wardropper
Sep 21, 2021 2:37 PM
Reply to  Ravensara

Who, today, knows nothing about 9/11…?
Don’t be modest.

Patrick L.
Patrick L.
Sep 18, 2021 9:01 PM

What makes Petra’s comments (on this board and others) so deeply irritating is that she leaps imediately from a position most honest people will easily accept — that we are ruled by people who lie to us routinely — to the assertion that everything is fake. If you think dozens of people were murdered and hundreds more maimed and traumatised in Bologna in 1978, well, Petra knows better: “There was a bombing, yes”, she concedes — why does she concede this, exactly?– but nobody was actually hurt.

https://off-guardian.org/2021/09/16/watch-false-flags-the-secret-history-of-al-qaeda-part-1/#comment-431416

So It’s not enough to say that powerful liars planned & commited terrible atrocities and blamed them on “left-wing terrorists” in order to terrify the populace and consolidate their power. No, these Masters of Illusion also faked all the dead and injured. They can do that, you see. There is no end to their power.

Perhaps nobody died in the Twin Towers either. Maybe no one was killed in Afghanistan or Iraq or Libya. How can we know? Is it possible that millions of dead Koreans and Vietnamese and Laotians and Cambodians were also faked?

Why should we stop anywhere? The sacred task of Doubt knows no limitations. Solipsism is a public duty.

Here’s a challenge, Petra: Can you provide proof that the place called “Australia” exists? I don’t mean any of that faked-up film and photographic “evidence” of the alleged “Sydney Opera House” or that so-called “Ayers Rock” I don’t mean those “maps” invented by the Freemasons and the British Crown. I don’t mean the “satellite images” foisted on us by NASA and Google. I certainly don’t mean any of those “eyewitness statements” from people (all obviously spooks) who claim to live in “Australia” or to have visited the place. I mean undeniable proof.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 19, 2021 6:28 AM
Reply to  Patrick L.

Patrick, I provided a link to show that Bologna was an evacuated bombing but you didn’t go there. I wonder why not. Do you want me to come back into the comments and repeat what’s at my link? There are a number of photographs – photographs can be quite telling – but to insert them here is rather painful – a lot easier to simply go to the link and look at what I put forward for the fakery of death and injury.
https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/bologna-1980-and-mogadishu-2017.html

I also put a link to the fakery of the plane crash in Tehran but presumably you didn’t go to that link either.
https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/blog/did-ps-752-crash-in-tehran

Perhaps, Patrick, you believe that Sandy Hook was real? That the US government really murdered those poor children … or in that case you believe it was the work of lone shooter Adam Lanza? Please tell me, Patrick, what you think happened at Sandy Hook. I’m hoping that you do recognise it for what it was, a massive school anti-shooter drill pushed out as real and if you do recognise it for what it was then what I ask you is: why should Sandy Hook be of such a different nature to 9/11? Why couldn’t 9/11 be essentially of the same nature as Sandy Hook … and the Manchester bombing and numerous other events much more generally recognised among the disbelievers as FULLY staged. Why couldn’t the vast majority of so-called “false flags” actually simply be fully staged events … and that for some very important staged events they want to push the “false flag” idea of real killing to those who they anticipate won’t believe their story while for others they’re prepared to accept people falling into the simple groups of believing either real killing or completely staged event.

Brian Sides
Brian Sides
Sep 19, 2021 4:46 PM

When I made a complaint to the BBC with evidence. There reply was evidence is not proof. They should have maybe said evidence is not conclusive proof. But they were basically correct evidence is not proof. If something is or is not evidence is often conjecture. So we try to weigh up what is and is not convincing evidence.
But we can not avoid our inbuilt bias on what we consider possible or likely.
Take the Manchester bombing as an example there is evidence that the photo of what happened was taken in the morning.
https://153news.net/watch_video.php?v=6SXU6Y79G9NH
There is other evidence that all is not as it should be.
But what about the victims and there families.
One might conclude that this proves all the deaths must be fake.
Or possibly there was a staged photo in the morning and the state arranged the bombing later in the evening.
Or the time stamp evidence is fake or wrong.

The 7/7 bombing is one I have studied most. There is much evidence that the narrative is not correct.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 20, 2021 12:21 AM
Reply to  Brian Sides

There is nothing in the photographic evidence to suggest a bomb even went off in Manchester let alone killed 22 and injured numerous others. Manchester is the biggest joke ever … but how can I say that there are so many others.

Brian Sides
Brian Sides
Sep 20, 2021 8:44 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

But if you saw the grieving relatives and injured from Manchester at the inquest this makes you think.
The Boston Bombing is another example with much that seems impossible for it to be real. But I saw a documentary about the injured and there recovery that was convincing.
This photo is reported to be of the Mỹ Lai massacre in Vietnamcomment image where they are supposed to have machine gunned the civilian. But you do not see the blood and injury you would suspect. Was the photo staged as the real event was to gruesome.
This has happened before in war photo’s.
It makes it harder to sort the real from the fake.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 20, 2021 10:03 AM
Reply to  Brian Sides

Brian, the fakery of both Manchester and Boston is unmistakeable.

This is an interesting video about alleged hero in Boston (a very common feature of psyops), Carlos Arredondo, by Conspiracy Theorista.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/9RCJvJcgvc9q/

Manchester is a complete joke.
https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/manchester-bombing.html

I’ve never looked at My Lai but wouldn’t surprise me if it’s faked too.

Not that horrific killing doesn’t go on, I know it does … but it’s not what they show us. If they showed us the real killing we’d get up in arms more against wars but because they show us sanitised images we go along with it more easily. I’ve tried to find real images of people maimed in bombings and I simply cannot find them. I once saw a video of a man who’d just had his arms and legs blown off and it was utterly horrific – it still disturbs me thinking about it. Of course, that video got pulled down.

They don’t show us the real stuff, Brian. It’s too horrible.

ZenPriest
ZenPriest
Sep 21, 2021 2:53 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

I’m curious,
What happens to the named dead?
Are their families paid off to act it out?
If I were the elites and didn’t care about the plebs, I’d do the real thing. Far easier to plant a bomb than to stage the entire thing.
Elements are staged, no doubt. But I can’t think why they would go to all the trouble of faking it when they don’t mind killing us anyway.
There’s way too much risk associated with faking the entire event.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 24, 2021 4:58 AM
Reply to  ZenPriest

There’s way too much risk associated with faking the entire event.

They don’t have any problems with a massive number of people recognising Sandy Hook as completely staged though.

You really need to understand how propaganda and mind control work … and because I’ve gone through the very visceral experience of waking up to how my mind was controlled I think I have a better understanding than most people … although of course there’s vastly more to understand that I’m sure I’ll never know.

When I woke up to 9/11 being an “inside job” I didn’t really have a sense of waking up to my mind being controlled because while I believed the story I’d never been an enthusiastic believer of it and I knew from Day One manipulation was involved which was probably why I made no effort to pay much attention. Thus even though in a way that was a bigger awakening than waking up to the element of death and injury being staged I felt a much greater sense of having my mind controlled into not comprehending just that one feature of the operation than the much “bigger” fact of 9/11 not being the work of 19 terrorists but an “inside job”.

The reason I had a much greater sense of being mind controlled is that while I’d paid little attention to 9/11 until watching JFK to 9/11 Everything is a Rich Man’s Trick, I was a dedicated student of 9/11 for four years before I got the fact of staged death and injury … even though in that time period from 2014 I recognised other events such as Sandy Hook, the Boston Marathon and Manchester Bombing as being completely staged … and I’d been exposed to claims of faked death here and there, eg, September Clues – while I certainly didn’t dismiss Clues and thought there was SOME truth in the claim of faked death I was still persuaded by quite a bit of propaganda that death and injury were significant.

When I cottoned on to events such as Sandy Hook being completely staged the first thing I’d look at when the next terror event was breathlessly announced was the images of the injured to see how convincing they were … but I didn’t go back and do that for 9/11. I only went to look at images of death and injury for 9/11 once the penny dropped that there was a massive propaganda campaign aimed at the anticipated disbelievers of the cockamamie terrorist story to maintain their belief in real death and injury. When I went to look at the images I face-palmed massively. I simply couldn’t believe that I’d never bothered to look at the images of the injured for 9/11 when I’d pored over them for other events. The images were so obviously of “drill” injured people, nothing convincing about them whatsoever.

Why hadn’t I looked at them? Why did it take four years of study when I knew of other completely staged events? Propaganda controlling my mind, that’s why.

If you scroll down the page, you’ll see my explanation of the propaganda model – could do with updating but it’ll do.
https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/11-378904.html

Victor G.
Victor G.
Sep 20, 2021 1:06 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Provide proof Australia exists, dammit!

Jim McDonagh
Jim McDonagh
Sep 19, 2021 9:19 PM

I would ask you the same question ?

Patrick L.
Patrick L.
Sep 19, 2021 9:16 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Dogs exist, therefore all cats are dogs.

Fakery exists, therefore everything is fake..

You have a hammer, therefore everything you see is a nail.

Jim McDonagh
Jim McDonagh
Sep 19, 2021 9:24 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

‘Links” are not evidence , just other opinions pro or con. A version of appealing to an illusory higher authority , routinely done by religionists , moralizers , and all manner of demagogues .

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Sep 19, 2021 10:31 PM
Reply to  Jim McDonagh

Well, it depends what the links are, rather obviously.

Jim McDonagh
Jim McDonagh
Sep 20, 2021 2:18 PM
Reply to  Sam - Admin2

In relation to Internet comment sections they do not . Links are simply a method of bolstering an opinion , a modern rhetorical device of sorts.

Sam - Admin2
Admin
Sam - Admin2
Sep 24, 2021 3:56 AM
Reply to  Jim McDonagh

That’s silly. A2

Patrick L.
Patrick L.
Sep 20, 2021 12:03 AM
Reply to  Jim McDonagh

Jesus wept.

Jim McDonagh
Jim McDonagh
Sep 20, 2021 2:19 PM
Reply to  Patrick L.

Jesus did not exist !

Cliff Edwards
Cliff Edwards
Sep 20, 2021 1:20 AM
Reply to  Jim McDonagh

How about you tell us how you came to swallow the Official 9/11 Conspiracy Theory hook, line and sinker? I certainly hope you didn’t believe anything you read on the Internet that you got to via links!

Jim McDonagh
Jim McDonagh
Sep 20, 2021 2:01 PM
Reply to  Cliff Edwards

“I did not swallow ‘the official story” whatever you may believe that is ? I saw the airliners impact the bankster towers . That attack was then used to justify war abroad , repression and removal of civil rights at home. Covid the political position has replaced terrorism as a justification as the planet becomes a computer managed global concentration camp .

Victor G.
Victor G.
Sep 20, 2021 1:05 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Provide proof Australia exists, dammit!

Roberto
Roberto
Sep 19, 2021 6:09 PM
Reply to  Patrick L.

Allegedly Petra lives in Australia, but she’s just been told that. It could be anywhere.
Also: Ayer’s Rock definitely doesn’t exist. It’s been renamed. Why?

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 20, 2021 12:32 AM
Reply to  Roberto

I believe in the moon landings Roberto where many thousands or even millions don’t. I don’t disbelieve according to an inclination to disbelieve, I disbelieve according to the evidence. That isn’t to say that I may not misinterpret the evidence but I judge always according to the evidence never according to an disinclination to believe.

It’s pretty simple – lots of lies have been told to us and many of them are multi-layered – wouldn’t you expect some lies to have multiple layers and that the people the power elite know won’t believe them will have special propaganda just for them to mislead them just as those who believe have their propaganda. You don’t think the power elite are just going to leave us to not believe them do you? They have to get us as well. With their power they want to dupe everybody not just those who will readily believe them. They need to get all of us – the believers and the disbelievers alike.

Victor G.
Victor G.
Sep 20, 2021 1:11 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

To all OGers … allow me to suggests we rechristen the ageless tool of logic “Petra’s Razor” and have done with it.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 21, 2021 4:23 AM
Reply to  Victor G.

Victor, you challenged me to contact the Association of Relatives of the Victims of the Bologna Station bombing and I did that. Do you seriously think I would have had the temerity to do such a thing if I had even the teensiest doubt about the staging of death and injury in that bombing? The teensiest doubt? I assure I wouldn’t have done that, I’m simply not that kind of person. I had no doubt because all the evidence clearly showed staging. The person I contacted was the president, Paolo Bolognesi, politician and writer, and I discovered Signore Bolognesi has written a book, Order out of Chaos, yes the man has blatantly written a book with the Masonic motto as its title. Very unsurprisingly, I received no reply.

This is my page showing that all the evidence favours evacuated bombing, including witness testimony that doesn’t in the least line up with the photographic evidence.
https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/bologna-1980-and-mogadishu-2017.html

No doubt I’ve presented this challenge to you before and you simply haven’t responded but whether I have or not here it is:

Please provide a single skerrick of evidence that favours unevacuated bombing over evacuated and/or poke holes in my case for the bombing being an evacuated bombing.

If you can’t do that I wonder why it is you continue to steamroll along with your misguided belief that Bologna was an unevacuated bombing. Why, when you have no evidence to present that favours your belief and no argument against the case made for evacuated bombing you keep on with your belief? Why would you do that? What attaches you to the notion that Bologna was an unevacuated bombing? Why do you care?

Jim McDonagh
Jim McDonagh
Sep 20, 2021 2:11 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

The alleged moon landing occurred circa 1969 , before the Internet was developed and long after the Nixon era [ roughly 2 decades ] . Using the Internet version of logic popular these days , Nixon’s corruption makes it unlikely that it happened . I used to believe without question that we put a man on the moon. Now when the topic is broached i think maybe ?

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 21, 2021 4:11 AM
Reply to  Jim McDonagh

Jim, when there is a wealth of purported evidence I think it’s impossible to not to be able to work out the truth.

The conditions on the moon are vastly different from those on earth and what we see in all the purported evidence is consistency with those vastly different conditions, including:
— no atmosphere
— 1/6th gravity
— black sky in lunar daytime against brightly lit moonscape (the hardest to fake in my opinion as I think it would have been impossible to fake sunlight at night back then – maybe now but not back then)

When I put forward the argument above to moon hoaxers they immediately respond with, “Oh but we don’t know the conditions on the moon because we’ve never been there.” This is a poor argument because scientists can work things out about stuff without having “been there” and to use the argument with any credibility you’d need to look at the reasons for the conditions claimed and argue from there.

Occam’s Razor
Why would they claim lunar conditions vastly different from terrestrial conditions and make it so much harder to fake?

The other feature of the moon landings debate is that it is obvious that among those saying we went we see far greater depth of knowledge and understanding than among those arguing against. Some people arguing against will simply argue on the basis of the radiation. That’s not how you argue. You might be wrong on that issue, you need to look at all the evidence.

What I do on subjects I know little about is follow the debunking trail. Person A says X, Person B says Y, Person A says no, not Y, it’s X because G. The moon landers certainly have the last word.

I think it’s very instructive to look at the debunking of the book, Wagging the Moondoggie, by Dave McGowan and the debunking of the film, American Moon, by Massimo Mazzucco. It’s quite interesting how the debunkers of the moon landings can use superficially seemingly good arguments which on close analysis by people with the right knowledge fall over easily.

Debunking of Dave McGowan’s, Wagging the Moondoggie (incomplete).
Debunking of Massimo Mazzucco’s, American Moon  (Part 1)
Debunking of Massimo Mazzucco’s, American Moon (Part 2)
Apollo Hoax.net (shows links to other sites)
Debunking the Apollo Hoax

richard
richard
Sep 18, 2021 3:01 PM

“and… motives… just as base – greed, gain, power and other pointless things.”

Yes…Well observed.

Jim McDonagh
Jim McDonagh
Sep 18, 2021 11:17 PM
Reply to  richard

Baudrillard maintains that if it wasn’t seen on TV /I-Phone it didn’t happen. A world view increasingly embraced by the masses. Leonard Cohen points out in his dirge The Future , there ain’t nothing you can measure anymore.

Malatok
Malatok
Sep 18, 2021 2:05 PM

They walk among us and seem almost human…..
We are governed by psychopaths, entertained by psychopaths, cajoled and lied to by presstitute psychopaths, the very scum that we are told are benevolent philanthropists are among the most evil psychopaths on this planet and yet some people imagine that all this will not end badly.

Are you a psychopath? The Hare Test
https://www.businessinsider.com/hare-psychopath-checklist-test-sociopath-2016-11?op=1&r=US&IR=T#3-do-you-have-an-excess-need-for-stimulation-or-proneness-to-boredom-3

Andrew Lobaczewski
Political Ponerology; The Science of Evil
PONEROLOGY: EVIL IS A DISEASE
http://www.ponerology.com/

PSYCHOPATHY: THE CAUSE OF EVIL Inherited and acquired psychological disorders and ignorance of their existence and nature are the primal causes of evil. The magic number of 6% seems to represent the number of humans who either carry the genes responsible for biological evil or who acquire such disorders in the course of their lifetime. This small percent is responsible for the vast majority of human misery and crime, and for infecting others with their flawed view of the world.

THE GENESIS OF EVIL
1. Ponerogenic Associations
2. Ponerization
3. Pathocracy

The ultimate cause of evil lies in the interaction of two human factors: 1) normal human ignorance and weakness and 2) the existence and action of a statistically small (4-8% of the general population) but extremely active group of psychologically deviant individuals. The ignorance of the existence of such psychological differences is the first criterion of ponerogenesis. That is, such ignorance creates an opening whereby such individuals can act undetected.

Lloyd deMause
“Heads and Tails”
Money As a Poison Center

This ambivalent aspect of money can be easily seen in the words with which we describe it. The German word Geld and the English word “guilt” come from the same source – Geld in Old German meant “sacrifice,” and has the same source as vergeltung, “revenge.” Similarly, gift in German means “poison” in English. In most languages, the identity of gift and poison is found.

https://psychohistory.com/articles/heads-and-tails-money-as-a-poison-center/

juno
juno
Sep 19, 2021 12:51 AM
Reply to  Malatok

Psychohistory is such a great site! So much to think about there.

Malatok
Malatok
Sep 18, 2021 1:37 PM

Kill Bill gates of hell, best buddy of Maxwell Epstein pedovore in chief and Mossad kiddy porn director along with filthy Swi$$ money laundry and spawn of genuine kosher German Nazis, the Hollyweird central casting SS cutout lout aka Satan Klaus Slob, Rothschild bagman geriatric peddler of fellow Jews to Nazis, the inimitable Gyorgi “Soros”, all these demons would have you believe that their Tony Jaws Fauci and his Fort Detrick (debt trick) Wuflu virus has it all sewn up and you are nothing more than a redundant head of tax cattle down on Rancho Goyim, USSA soon to be slaughtered for the greater good of the zero 1% reptilian slime that imagines it has “inherited the earth”.

The great r€$et my ass. The entire scam is falling apart as quick as you can say Pfizer macht frei and nothing on this Earth is going to save their mountains of fiat filth IOU Saudi Mercan petroscrip toilet paper dollahs and gimp bastard €urodollah or their evil genocidal asses in the coming Nuremberg reloaded. The Wall St shitter is about to blow their Ponzi sewer to hell and all the fake covaids and DARPA weaponized mRNA death pricks won’t put Humpty Dumpty together again when the tsunami of toxic derivative shit washes over Slumville and the rest of the anglozionazi empire of filth. Simply by staying unjected we win when the millions of vaxxed sheeple start falling like dominoes in the months ahead; Dark Winter comes with a vengeance. Then guess how long the vertical pigs and uniformed mutts slurping their swill for now at the elitist trough along with rancid politcal swine and craven presstitute hos will cover for the cabal of reptilian scum that unleashed this vile insanity on the planet. These porcine scum will have their own offspring croaking like flies and even pigs and sheeple finally understand the stench of mass slaughter the nearer they come to the slaughterhouse erected by the reptilian alien slime now running planet moron.

There’s going to be a lot of entitled, hubris bloated elitist garbage dangling from lampposts in the years ahead and nothing is going to stop the stampeding poisoned sheeple from taking grisly revenge when the herd finally grasps the totality of their stupidity and the enormity of their betrayal at the hands of our “Western democratic”
kakistocracy. Forget about the ravings of trans slash humanist oddball geriatric retards and their great psychopathic “reset” and get ready for the greatest flush of demented loons that humanity has ever seen in its sorry history of depravity at the hands of gubermint puss and the ghouls that wallow in it.

YOU are the disease, their covaids death squirt the cure
Onward to Ouch Witz; the joke is on all of US

Pfizer macht frei
Same as it ever waZ

The covaid$ Caper in under 2 minutes
https://www.brighteon.com/698bda64-e06b-4a2a-9b4a-89d916a50e9c

mgeo
mgeo
Sep 18, 2021 12:20 PM

You can divide the 9/11 anomalies along these lines:

Before: history, planning, deliberate raising of tensions, subversion, red herrings, hijackers, supression of warnings, airports & planes, WTC changes, tenants moving out/staying away, financial speculation.

During: failure to intercept the planes, Pentagon building, Twin Towers, WTC7.

After: WTC analysis, hijackers, passengers, the planes (collectively and individually), other clues, cover-ups, red herrings, aftermath, OBL.

In a modern false-flag op., the distractions (including subsequent leaks/fakes) may be planned, or they may be developed to thwart investigators/sceptics. This also applies to assassinations.

Joerg
Joerg
Sep 18, 2021 11:31 AM

Here an excerpt from https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/there-were-no-commercial-plane-crashes-on-911/
 
Every supposed one of the 256 passengers on 9-11 paid for their tickets in cash on THE MORNING 0f 9-11! NOT ONE used a single credit card and there are no electronic receipts from anyone or any company anywhere in the world. Why? There were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.”
 
Except for the supposed Atta and all of his massive incriminating evidence on a supposed suicide flight….NOT ONE single supposed passenger parked a car at any airport on 9-11 NOT ONE. Why? There were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.”
 
 

Cliff Edwards
Cliff Edwards
Sep 19, 2021 5:51 AM
Reply to  Joerg

Oh yes, there are certainly some *cough* gems there, such as this one:

The reason that the WTC towers 1 and 2, which were each 110 stories high of reinforced concrete and steel covering ONE ACRE for each floor…….which was then turned into a pile of dust standing only TWO STORIES HIGH from a fuel fire ( a first in world history)…..was because there were no commercial plane crashes on 9-11.

Huh?

I suggest you read this and enlighten yourself:

A Critical Review of WTC ‘No Plane’ Theories

http://journalof911studies.com/volume/200610/Salter.pdf

Trewpol
Trewpol
Sep 18, 2021 10:45 AM

Great article Catte.

The so called “Elite” are not that clever; they are just willing to do things that 99% of us would balk at because we have a working moral compass. As a very crude example go back 200 maybe even 100 years and usury based finance was outlawed or at least frowned upon because it was recognised as unjust but there are records of the money lenders using it since the Middle Ages.

They wrap 99 lies with one truth hence they need their propaganda machine to be full spectrum otherwise the lie won’t sell.

They hide the truth spiritual and worldly and redirect people to an animalistic way of thinking “consume, fornicate, sleep, consume, fornicate, sleep…..”. They invert realities and sell degeneracy as something prestigious. They project their own “Do what thou wilt” sickness onto us and then have the audacity to admonish us claiming the moral high ground for themselves.

(The amazing Vigilant Citizen covers how they use culture and their media to sell their degeneracy; VC’s excellent analysis of the brilliant Season 1 of True Detective (the show could be described as a revelation of the method of sorts) outlines how it can happen https://vigilantcitizen.com/moviesandtv/deeper-meaning-true-detective-season-one/)

They are a parasite class because they hijack work done by others and then either use it against us or sell it to us at an extortionate price; they hijack nature, claim ownership of it then sell that which is abundant and free back to us or hold it from us; they hijack the mind through confusion-inducing propaganda and then corral us into a direction that only benefits them.

They are selfish, hypocritical, two-faced, arrogant, ignorant, degenerate, debauched, greedy, ruthless, heartless, immoral, satanic, audacious, perverse, sick, murderous….

But they are not that clever; they spend decades or even centuries getting their ducks in order but manage to completely balls everything up and then have to start again.

Look back in history – No matter how hard they try, how much money they pump into it, how sophisticated they think their solution is, it always implodes in their stupid faces. And because most of the world does not think like them and we are normal human beings we let them back into society and of course because they have a screw loose they try to fuck us over again and the cycle repeats.

As many have said on here – if we take away our permission and compliance they literally have no power. Another crude example: Coca Cola probably one of, if not the most recognisable brands across the world don’t stop advertising, ever, why? They know that unless it’s in our face constantly we’ll forget about it and drink something else…

The Great reset!?!! Pah – they are going to fuck it up and end up with a Great Awakening and again get their asses kicked into touch by us…..!

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Sep 18, 2021 9:28 AM

I think a lot of this comes from Leonardo da Vinci deliberately leaving errors in place, almost as his personal ‘signature’. ‘You know I’m a genius, but I choose to be fallible for reasons best known to myself’.

For all the cultists, Leonardo was once high up in various cults, so they probably follow his mantras, for that is all cultists can do.

The first principle of power cultures is that independent thought is outlawed. The logical consequence of that is that those who reach the top have spent 30 years not thinking independently. It’s the simplest reason why cults are not full of elites, they are full of brainwashed fools incapable of independent thought.

I worked in biomedical research for 11 years and that was a power culture, even 30 years ago. Medical practice is far, far worse.

Politics is a power culture, banking is a power culture, the military is a power culture, universities are now power cultures.

The spread of power cultures is one of the manifestations that an empire is about to fail.

You can’t renew cultures without original thought. The more you have banished it, the less capable the old empire was of adapting.

So in the end, it just collapses.

We’re well on the road to it collapsing right now here in the UK, the USA, Australia etc.

Antonym
Antonym
Sep 19, 2021 7:33 AM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

Why drag Leonardo Da Vinci down in your narrative? Was he not a totalitarian power keeper but a herald of big mental change, who had to be careful therefore.

Patrick L.
Patrick L.
Sep 18, 2021 9:20 AM

The obstacle is not that the ruling gangsters are infallible or that their crimes are unsolvable, or that incriminating evidence is hard to find: it’s that most people really do not want to know. They have a positive aversion to knowing anything that might take them out of their comfort zone and present them with a serious moral dilemma. They have made their arrangement with power long ago, often without ever really noticing they’ve done so.

For me that was the toughest lesson of the years immediately after 9/11: When push comes to shove, as it did after 9/11, most people will always side with power. There are brave exceptions, yes; but few will dare risk crossing the bounds of the expressible, even in thought. They’ll perform an autolobotomy first. (I’ve seen it happen many times.)

When I say people, I mean, y’know, real people, the ones whose opinions count: academics, journalists, managers & administrators, psychologists & other “social scientists”, artists & artistes, nice liberals, people with a comfortable position in the world, professionals who pride themselves on having the right opinions about politics ‘n’ culture ‘n’ food ‘n’ foreign travel and stuff.

The only humans who can really afford a mind of their own anymore are either very young (students) or old (retired) and thus capable of independence — not yet in the game or no longer part of it. Or else they are working class and therefore undeceived about the way power works. I learned pretty quickly that there was much more chance of hearing something sane and well-informed and wisely sardonic about 9/11 from a taxi driver or a barman or the immigrant owner of a small shop than there was from anyone employed by the BBC or a major newspaper or theatre or university.

TL;DR::”It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his career depends upon his not understanding it.” (Upton Sinclair, 1935)

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 18, 2021 12:38 PM
Reply to  Patrick L.

… it’s that most people really do not want to know.

And that is the reason that the perps have carte blanche to tell us stories that do not add up in any shape or form – inserting extra anomalies above and beyond just for fun – and get away with it. People do not want to know. If they did, power couldn’t operate the way it does. It’s not that power is infallible in reality, it’s that the majority of the people treat them as if they are – or rather it’s not so much infallibility as omnipotence. They’re omnipotent because we let them be, not because they really are, but because we let them be by not calling them out in their massive lies.

Friends and family who are onboard with the pandemic story don’t really want to speak to me … as I don’t want to speak with them. They absolutely do not want to know. No way.

martin
martin
Sep 18, 2021 1:28 PM
Reply to  Patrick L.

That’s well put, It is hard to separate the ‘Elite’ gangsters from the supporting upper middle class. It is a social system of its own, one we know little about as outsiders. How does it hang together so well? Whatever the next idiot program served up all have to stand behind it. Maybe what we see is no so much the ‘Elite’ but the Mamluks who took over. The Apparatchiks know fine well what the score is.

Patrick L.
Patrick L.
Sep 18, 2021 10:04 PM
Reply to  Patrick L.

Correction: “career” should be “salary” in the Upton Sinclair quote (although “career” does work equally well, as would “reputation on Facespook”).

ImpObs
ImpObs
Sep 18, 2021 8:17 AM

I think Catte & Petra are both talking past each other tbh.

Petra calls it ‘revelation of the method’, Catte mite recognise it if we call it predictive programming, see pretty much any big hollywood movie for examples, corbett includes ‘propaganda balloons’ as a form of predictive programming too.

Building 7 is a bad example, an obvious screw-up, not really recognisable as predictive programming or revelation of the method. There obviously was predictive programming, from the mural on the sie of the Israeli movers van, to enough BS about Osama bin Ladan for William Cooper to predict a comming large scale false flag would be blamed on Bin Laden 2 months before 9/11.

Catte gets bent up because she doesn’t think the Parasite Class deserves all powerful Super Villan status, because thats disempowering. Petra says it’s irrelevant weather it’s a screw-up or overconfidence they won’t be brought to book.

If Catte & Petra were face to face over a coffee instead of typing back n forth, I’m sure it wouldn’t take long before they both agree, without getting bent up, that there is predictive programming that could be described as ‘revelation of the method’ and there is also the overconfidence leading to screw-ups, also that the distinction is in effect irrelevant because…

they’re in no danger of ending up on death row because, unlike hapless antifreeze guy, they own the judiciary, legal system and entire political class so the incentive to try hard isn’t even there.

How is that any less disempowering?

It’s not, but maybe jumping all over someones errant labeling of a bad example feels empowering at the time.

More coffee you two?

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Sep 18, 2021 9:33 AM

I think it’s hard to argue that WTC7 not having an aeroplane flown into it was intentional. It’s absolutely clear that WTC7 was pulled because it stored the back up records of servers from the Budget Analysts Office at the Pentagon that was hit by the missile.

If you assume, as I do, that the elite plan was to bury forever 20 years of black ops budgetary theft through misdirection and entry into forever Middle Eastern Wars, being shameless and brazen whilst so doing, then you assume that saying ‘We pulled WTC7 and there’s nothing you can do to stop us doing it’ was what the elites were doing.

If you are a psychopath, a powermonger, a desperate evangelist prepared to murder for years on end to impose your will on others, that sort of thing is ‘the mark of the mafia overlord’.

It’s a bit like leaving a pig’s head on someone’s bed.

A not very nice message, but not spelled out in black and blue.

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Sep 18, 2021 9:34 AM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

‘I think it’s hard NOT to argue….’

Patrick L.
Patrick L.
Sep 19, 2021 9:32 AM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

From elsewhere in this thread:

“My question about WTC7 was always: Why would they destroy the whole building just to remove incriminating evidence (computer hard drives, paperwork, etc)? Why not just remove the evidence?

I’ve yet to hear a really convincing answer.”

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 18, 2021 12:30 PM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

They pulled down all seven buildings at the WTC, they wanted them all down, Rhys but 3-6 they pulled down discreetly after 9/11. They could have pulled down 7 discreetly to but they chose not to. To me it’s not so much about what was in the building – which may well have contained things they wanted destroyed as you say – but about making it the focus for those people the perps knew at the outset wouldn’t believe their story. They wanted to gradually move all the focus to be exclusively on the buildings, especially 7, and away from the planes because faked planes means faked deaths and they didn’t want focus on any fakery of death.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 19, 2021 2:35 AM

Actually I just got caught in the trap I was trying to expose. Every single thing in the 9/11 narrative is, essentially, “revelation of the method”. From alleged terrorists boarding the planes and hijacking them with box cutters to guiding them, unmolested by a single interceptor, into iconic buildings causing them to crash to the ground in a matter of seconds etc is all completely unbelievable and shows that the perps know they have carte blanche to do whatever they like and have the majority of the population swallow it.

So there is no reason whatsoever to doubt that the collapse of 7 was completely deliberate and designed to focus the anticipated disbelievers of their story on demolition and away from the faked planes because of the planes’ association with faked death because they have that carte blanche.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 19, 2021 8:25 AM

Morgan Reynolds back in 2006.

The propaganda works on a timeline, Sophie. So back ages ago yes we heard from John Lear and other plane experts. Where are they now?

You need to consider ALL the evidence, all of it.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 19, 2021 2:29 PM

In general terms it means they time their propaganda. They roll it out along a planned timeline.

In the case of 9/11, they knew people would be interested in the planes so they had a reasonable amount of focus on the planes initially but then gradually they’ve moved attention to be massively on the “smoking gun”, WTC-7, with very little on the planes.

As I’ve said a number of times, Sophie, have you somehow missed it? the Pilots for 9/11 Truth website is virtually defunct, John Lear has disappeared and nor are any aircraft accident investigators on the job, A&E is going gangbusters and 60 aerospace engineers have signed onto A&E – to talk about how planes don’t bring down buildings NOT to talk about how the planes were faked.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 20, 2021 4:50 AM

As I’ve said a number of times, Sophie, have you somehow missed it?

Wasn’t making the above up. Comment made on 12 September 2020.
https://off-guardian.org/2020/09/12/watch-justice-rising-9-11-truth-conference-day-1/#comment-251753

OK, let’s do some Socratic questioning, Arby.

— Why do we only see loved ones of the building victims not the plane victims?

— Why are we bombarded with building experts but ZERO plane experts? Yes, we had John Lear at the beginning and a military aircraft accident investigator and a few others but these days WHERE ARE THE PLANE EXPERTS? Why are those prominently talking about the planes such as David Chandler complete non-experts on the subject?

Any ideas?

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 20, 2021 10:54 AM

I’m afraid I disagree, Sophie. It doesn’t matter how long after, what matters is now. Heard of the long plan?

These are simple facts applying to now.

— There are no plane experts talking about the planes

— A&E for 9/11 Truth is far, far more active than Pilots for 9/11 Truth which is virtually defunct

— 60 aerospace engineers have signed onto A&E for 9/11 Truth to talk about how buildings don’t bring down planes NOT to say the evidence shows there were no planes – they act as though there were planes but, of course, they should know better than anyone that there weren’t
http://www1.ae911truth.org/de/faqs/127-60-aerospace-engineers-call-for-new-911-investigation.html

— WTC-7 is generally regarded as the “smoking gun” when there is no reason that term cannot be applied to the planes from a number of angles.

I rest my case there. If you think my case doesn’t stand up that is your prerogative.

Victor G.
Victor G.
Sep 20, 2021 1:33 PM

Thanks, Admin 1.
All I can say is that Petra has chosen a very difficult way to make a living.
Today, however, she hit the jackpot. Whether she’s paid per post or per word, it’s been a good day for her.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 27, 2021 7:26 AM

Sophie, I just thought I’d point out that today I looked up the Pilots for 9/11 Truth website (http://pilotsfor911truth.org) and it is no longer – or at least the message appears when you click the URL, “This site has stepped out for a bit – If you are the site owner … ”

It’s still there in the webarchive though. Looks like it stopped being active around the beginning of the year.
https://web.archive.org/web/20210112064405/http://pilotsfor911truth.org/

I did find another pilots site, https://911pilots.org/ set up by Captain Dan Hanley who seemingly was retired early for asking too many questions although I have to say I cannot quite follow his very convoluted story. Captain Dan seems to suggest remoted-controlled planes. Interesting, no? Once upon a time I think I myself gave credence to the remote-controlled theory – a bit of a problem with that theory though because there’s evidence in a couple of cases that neither of the airliners took off and there’s nothing that identifies any plane evidence we’re shown as being any of the alleged airliners or, indeed, any particular plane.

Data from the Bureau of Transportation Statistics that flights AA11 and AA77 did not exist.
https://www.serendipity.li/wot/aa_flts/aa_flts.htm

james bate
james bate
Sep 19, 2021 6:07 PM

Recently heard an interview with Dr Judy Wood, her take on WTC 7 is that the clearly seen explosions were just in the facade of the building, the actual felling was the same as the others- turning to dust. I offer no explanation, but as earlier asked where is all the concrete and steel rubble ? Remember Karl Rove and his reality, maybe this is what they spent some of the 21tn on.

jammez
jammez
Sep 19, 2021 8:16 PM

Her whole reasoning is based on Occams razor, the talk was on jerm warfare, sounds like you could do with giving her some time.

Cliff Edwards
Cliff Edwards
Sep 20, 2021 1:05 AM
Reply to  james bate
Clutchin at straws
Clutchin at straws
Sep 18, 2021 8:11 AM

Great article Catte.

How about this for a theory:

Have you ever played Monopoly?

I’ve played games where I gain everything.

I own all the hotels on all my properties, I have shedloads of ‘money’ and, quite frankly, I’m a bit bored and complacent.

So I get reckless.

I take chances that I would never normally take in my quest for complete domination of the board.

My recklessness costs me the game I thought was already mine.

Yo see the parallel?

Edwige
Edwige
Sep 18, 2021 9:25 AM

There’s a very revealing PKD short story called ‘War Game’ where children play a kind of reverse Monopoly where the object is to give all your property away.

susan mullen
susan mullen
Sep 18, 2021 7:43 AM

Islamic terrorists romped across the US for a decade before 9/11/2001–LA Times, Oct. 14, 2001
Oct. 14, 2001, Haunted by Years of Missed Warnings,” LA Times, by Stephen Braun, Bob Drogin, Mark Fineman, Lisa Getter, Greg Krikorian, Robert J. Lopez, Times Staff Writers

“Evidence has been neglected. Earlier this year [2001], for example, French experts gave an in-depth report on Bin Laden’s financial network to a senior FBI official, according to a source close to the French intelligence community. A month later, the FBI official admitted to his French colleagues that the document still had not been translated into English.

[About 6 months before the first World Trade Center attack on Feb. 26, 1993], “The U.S. government was pretty sure Ahmad Mohammad Ajaj was a terrorist from the moment he stepped foot on U.S. soil. The 26-year-old Palestinian’s suitcases were stuffed with fake passports, fake IDs and a cheat sheet on how to lie to U.S. immigration inspectors.

And then there were the two handwritten notebooks filled with bomb recipes, the six bomb-making manuals, the four how-to videotapes concerning weaponry and the advanced guide to surveillance training.

It would have helped to know just what Ajaj actually had in his Arabic-language “terrorist kit.” But his manuals had not been “disseminated to the intelligence community for full translation and exploitation of the information,” nine years after they were seized.”…

And, 11/20/2017, Should The FBI Be Abolished? American Spectator, Steve Baldwin
 .
In 2016, Islamist Omar Mateen slaughtered 49 people at an Orlando nightclub. While the FBI did investigate him for 10 months it closed the file because it believed he was “being marginalized because of his Muslim faith.” Seriously…Abuses from the likes of Comey and Mueller are just the tip of the iceberg.”

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 18, 2021 12:46 PM
Reply to  susan mullen

That’s all propaganda to make you believe in Islamic terrorism. Orlando was a staged event. See https://153news.net/search_result.php?query=orlando&type=videos&cbsearch=

Jim McDonagh
Jim McDonagh
Sep 18, 2021 11:27 PM
Reply to  susan mullen

Mueller and Comey were employed to edit the narrative as required , a service no longer required . Millions of Winston Smiths rewrite every event from every possibly profitable angle that will get them a few bucks on the Internet . GIGO makes finding political truths on the Internet unlikely .

Cliff Edwards
Cliff Edwards
Sep 19, 2021 1:37 AM
Reply to  Jim McDonagh

Well said, Winston.

TFS
TFS
Sep 18, 2021 6:55 AM

There is one area of 9/11 and in particular WT7 that is probably open to more scientific approach, given advances in technology.

MIT showcased a method of exagerating small movements in video, the original code released onto the world, some 10yrs+ ago.

https://people.csail.mit.edu/mrub/vidmag/#code

I wonder if it could be applied to the footage of WT7, and whether it would bring out evidence of controlled demolition charges going off?

ImpObs
ImpObs
Sep 18, 2021 8:21 AM
Reply to  TFS

There’s enough evidence about 9/11, 7/7, Gladio, and a dozen other false flags, evidence isn’t the problem. Getting anyone with any clout to look at it honestly, and do something about it, is the problem.

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Sep 18, 2021 9:36 AM
Reply to  ImpObs

Has a Grand Jury yet been subpoenaed after all the efforts of the independent legal professionals? It does seem to be have been kicked down the road numerous times….

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 18, 2021 12:47 PM
Reply to  ImpObs

Exactly.

Mishko
Mishko
Sep 18, 2021 2:21 PM
Reply to  ImpObs

Integral part of the neoliberal paradigm.
Unwritten laws, unspoken rules: rules based order.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 18, 2021 12:22 PM
Reply to  TFS

You don’t need it. Fire and CD are not confusable and especially not in the case of WTC-7. CD screams from every pore of the collapse. It’s very, very obvious.

Johnny
Johnny
Sep 18, 2021 6:31 AM

There they sit, in their palaces, castles, mansions, towers, villas, ranches, private jets and yachts looking down on us useless eaters, puzzled and pissed off in equal measure.
“How the hell can any of that rabble be happy? Why are so many of them laughing, singing, dancing, playing, hugging and God forbid, making Love? It’s disgusting! “
“They don’t have the right. They aren’t wealthy! They don’t have control over tens of thousands of slaves and mindless consumers!”
“They don’t deserve happiness.
None of them.”
“Ladies and gentlemen, it’s time they were all brought to heel”
“Any suggestions?”

Thom 9
Thom 9
Sep 18, 2021 6:29 AM

The elite (for lack of another description) spend millions if not billions of $$$ on the media, internet etc. trying to make us believe that they are omnipotent. Which leads this scrutinizer to think that they are not.
I do believe that they do let things slip and that there is a method at work. The elite wish to divide us so they deliberately allow those of us who are paying attention to catch a glimpse of their “modus operandi”. That way they can pit the unknowing vs so called conspiracy theorists (who have been paying attention). I also believe that the “in plain sight” is their way of taunting those of us who pay attention whilst they laugh at those who are oblivious.
Ego is a strange thing.
That being said when we read in the paper or on the internet that this governmental agency screwed up doing something or mismanaged an affair etc. Well I believe at that level there are really not many mistakes just planned moves made to look that way so they can hand over more money or control to their counterparts in the private sector as an example.
Are the elite g-ds? Possibly the .0001% are but the 1% nah.

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Sep 18, 2021 9:38 AM
Reply to  Thom 9

There’s only two words needed to prove that ‘the elite’ are not omnipotent: THE TALIBAN.

The military asymmetry was phenomenal, yet for whatever reason, the USA elites had their butts kicked.

No way an omnipotent Deep State could have suffered that sort of indignity….

Unless they are secretly into BDSM submission and wanted to be flogged in public just this once….

Waldorf
Waldorf
Sep 18, 2021 11:04 AM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

I think they wanted to get out, but the way they did was not how they wanted it to be seen. US Presidents are just frontmen, but Biden is the frontman of a system in decay and it shows.

Jim McDonagh
Jim McDonagh
Sep 18, 2021 11:34 PM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

The Taliban have been so useful to CIA and gunrunners that they have been given an encore performance , all Afghanis must attend , face masks not required to be worn by men , vaccine passports not required either.

Waldorf
Waldorf
Sep 18, 2021 11:01 AM
Reply to  Thom 9

The vicious response to Palestinians breaking out of jail is one example – it interferes with the “we control everything” mentality the PTB try to foster, in this case the Israelis.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 18, 2021 6:03 AM

The Petra named by Catte is me and this is my response – I’d appreciate if it could be pinned.

Never have I said anything about the power elite’s infallibility to support my claim that WTC-7’s collapse was very deliberately in-your-face or that their alleged infallibility was the reason for any other glaring anomalies. I was unaware of the myth of the power elite’s alleged infallibility and if I were aware I wouldn’t subscribe to it – it’s not that I think they’re fallible or infallible, it’s just that their infallibility or otherwise is not relevant to my argument.

As I said in a comment on the article preceding this one in response to a comment about the “awkward moment” of the pre-announcement of WTC-7’s collapse:
https://off-guardian.org/2021/09/16/watch-false-flags-the-secret-history-of-al-qaeda-part-1/#comment-431422

‘No awkward moments in psyops. All glaring anomalies are deliberate examples of “revelation of the method” / “hidden in plain sight”… and, if they’re not deliberate, if they’re a genuine screwup, how would you know and would it matter? No doubt, the power elite caught on millennia ago that – simply due to the nature of power – their screwups could pass and so – as they say in the IT world – they decided to make a feature of the bug – because not only could their screwups pass, they actually work better – see quotes at bottom.

The 9/11 story is utterly absurd from start to finish. It’s not as if pre-announcing the collapse of WTC-7 is the most glaring problem and in a sense making a feature of this anomaly might be considered a form of propaganda in the suggestion there is any credibility in the rest of the narrative. There’s a few issues with 19 barely-trained terrorists hijacking four planes with no hint of interception, etc. EVERYTHING in the story is a glaring anomaly not just the perfect implosion of WTC-7 – the building not hit by a plane! – which was completely extraneous to their terror story. Distinguishing WTC-7’s collapse as a special “smoking gun” in a way serves to undermine the case against the narrative in general because every element virtually in its own right serves as a “smoking gun”. It would have been utterly impossible for 19 terrorists to hijack four planes at the outset – long before we get to WTC-7’s collapse in the afternoon, the narrative falls over and over and over again.

”The official story required either that one descended into total intellectual senility in order to still believe it – perhaps deliberately made ridiculous for that very purpose – or else that one keep one’s intellect alive but destroy almost everything that one had previously believed about how society works.”
Pioneering 9/11 researcher, Gerard Holmgren
https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/gerard-holmgren.html

“The purpose of propaganda is not to persuade or convince, not to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponds to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is in some small way to become evil oneself. One’s standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control.”
Edited quote Theodore Dalrymple, aka Anthony Daniels, British psychiatrist. (My emphasis.)
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/124952-political-correctness-is-communist-propaganda-writ-small-in-my-study

Screwups work better, deliberate or accidental, by making fools of people – it matters not the fallibility or otherwise of the power elite. Power rules regardless … sure regimes come to an end, rulers get beheaded and so on but we can see the same modus operandi in 17th century psyops such as the Gunpowder Plot and the Great Fire of London as we see in 9/11.

The whole of 9/11 is really an Emperor’s-New-Clothes affair NOT just the collapse of WTC-7 … and so is this alleged pandemic and yet people are going along with it hook, line and sinker despite the fact that now it is very, very obvious that the vaccine is having seriously harmful effects including death. People hate challenging power, that’s what it boils down to. They’re scared of it and they’re scared of standing out from the crowd and that’s why the power elite have carte blanche to push any old thing in our faces and have us swallow it … to the point that people will undergo injection of a known-to-be dangerous substance for no good reason.

Argument for screwups being deliberate
If you consider one or two seeming screwups on their own it may be fair to say one cannot be sure they were deliberate but there are far too many for 9/11 … brazen collapse of WTC-7, Silverstein’s “pull it”, WTC-7 pre-announcements, Hani Hanjour’s flight instructor telling us he would cry when asked to attempt steep turns and stalls added to the fact that he was the “pilot” chosen to execute the impossible manoeuvre into the Pentagon, complete rejection of crash physics shown in the imagery of planes into the towers, the calling of a press conference after the event by one of the alleged terrorists and on and on. Nowhere at all is there any real attempt at credibility. It’s all simply done with propaganda and denial, the evidence of fakery is laid bare at every turn.
For more on deliberate screwups see https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/they-tell-us-clearly.html

Argument against comparing an individual psychopath with the power elite
Sure both entities are psychopathic but one is acting according to their individual inclinations while the other is acting according to methods that have been passed down generation to generation. The power elite know from vast experience that they can push anomalies right in our faces and get away with it … and it don’t matter a jot whether those anomalies are deliberate or accidental.

We have a screamingly Emperor’s-New-Clothes event from multiple angles, the myth of which has been perpetuated for 20 years and counting.

I rest my case.

Rather than try to cover it in this comment, for any reader interested, I make my case for WTC-7 being, in fact, a form of propaganda in the post below.

https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/why-collapse-wtc-7-by-perfect-implosion.html

Other relevant posts are:
https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/9-11-20th-anniversary.html

https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/blog/911-controlled-demolition-as-propaganda

Catte
Catte
Sep 18, 2021 7:11 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Never have I said anything about the power elite’s infallibility to support my claim that WTC-7’s collapse was very deliberately in-your-face

You never used the words “they are infallible”, but when you say “…all glaring anomalies are deliberate examples of “revelation of the method”” you are saying the same thing in different words.

Adding “and, if they’re not deliberate, if they’re a genuine screwup, how would you know.” is just weird. So, because you can’t tell if your sweeping claim is true or totally bogus just assume it’s true?

No doubt, the power elite caught on millennia ago that – simply due to the nature of power – their screwups could pass and so – as they say in the IT world – they decided to make a feature of the bug – because not only could their screwups pass…

The power elite know from vast experience that they can push anomalies right in our faces and get away with it … and it don’t matter a jot whether those anomalies are deliberate or accidental.

Wait a minute. Now you’re trying to breezily pass off two totally contradictory things as being the same. Intentionally making mistakes and learning that your mistakes don’t matter are NOT synonymous. They are absolutely and diametrically opposite, and your attempt to bracket them is very dishonest.

Let’s be clear – intentiinally revealing your method and being powerful enough to get away with your stupid goofs are very very different things.

Deliberate mistakes are controlled and probably an evidential dead end. Accidental mistakes are uncontrolled and could lead to the unraveling of the entire narrative.

Huge difference there you are trying to airbrush away.

By saying Building7 was an intentional reveal you are essentially telling us the evidence it presents for controlled demolition is meaningless and urging us to look at other, far less conclusive things, like planes and numbers of dead.

Adding “even if it wasn’t an intentional reveal it doesn’t matter” only makes some agenda on your part seem more likely. Because obviously that does matter. It’s the whole crux of the point.

It almost looks as if the one thing you really want to achieve is for people to dismiss the hard evidence for CD and to focus instead on things which, by their nature, will always be speculative and present a weak case.

Why would that be?

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 18, 2021 8:13 AM
Reply to  Catte

Unfortunately, sometimes I say what I don’t exactly mean. I do believe that every single glaring anomaly I point out is, in fact, deliberate, I don’t believe any of them are accidental (but, of course, I can’t vouch for every one) but then, as I say, for 9/11 really every single thing is anomalous, isn’t it? Every single thing.

Pre-announcing WTC-7’s collapse is no more anomalous than not one interceptor being sent for the four alleged hijacked planes in the world’s best-defended airspace, is it? The former is no more anomalous than the latter it’s just that the former seems completely gratuitous while the latter is required for their story. If interceptors were sent it would make it harder to explain why they didn’t perform their function than if they simply never approached their target – or whatever – who knows why they didn’t include interceptors being sent in their story but whatever they’d done – sent them or not sent them – there would have been no way to avoid the massive “interceptor” anomaly. It was an inbuilt anomaly that they could never have explained satisfactorily … and they didn’t bother trying to.

The pre-announcement and no interceptors are equally anomalous and they get away with both of them.

So if they can get away with “no interceptors”, an item germane to their narrative, they can get away with anything, right? And if they can get away with anything then why not? Why not make more fools of us than they need to? Why not over-egg the omelette? I refer to the quotes in my last comment. Making fools of us works better. That’s it.

It almost looks as if the one thing you really want to achieve is for people to dismiss the hard evidence for CD and to focus instead on things which, by their nature, will always be speculative and present a weak case.

Not at all, Catte. CD is beyond obvious, you don’t need to do a whole lot to make a case, it’s so obvious – no confusing a collapse by fire and a collapse by CD, especially in the case of high-rise steel frame WTC-7 where they didn’t even bother trying to disguise its collapse with a lick of flame. That’s the thing. They push their obviously wrong story from start to finish in our faces and we’re supposed to turn cartwheels proving it wrong? No! Let’s just call it OUT!

But the planes are equally obvious too and calling out the planes AUTOMATICALLY exposes two things:
— the buildings came down by a controlled means
— the deaths of the passengers were faked

… the slippery slope to questioning all death and injury … hence the “smoking gun” of WTC-7 keeping our focus where they want it.

It doesn’t work the other way:
CD doesn’t automatically mean no planes and nor does it automatically mean staged death and injury (although, of course, by barring entry and evacuation it’s certainly possible).

Honestly, Catte, I just don’t understand your continued questioning of what I say. The simple truth is that the 9/11 story from start to finish is ludicrous and all of it, essentially, is “revelation of the method”. I’ve made the mistake of distinguishing the seemingly gratuitous clues as being ROTM when the thing is all the stuff germane to the narrative – that they’re “forced” to include if you will – is just as obviously nonsensical. Are they in the least worried? They certainly don’t seem to be.

Jim McDonagh
Jim McDonagh
Sep 18, 2021 11:37 PM

As we all should , Wittgenstein pointed out that language is an impediment to understanding , certainly true in politics .

Edwige
Edwige
Sep 18, 2021 9:41 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

“there would have been no way to avoid the massive “interceptor” anomaly.”

The contrast with what happened when golfer Payne Stewart’s plane stopped responding and events on 9/11 is glaring:
https://www.nytimes.com/1999/10/26/sports/golf-pro-golfer-and-5-others-die-in-a-baffling-jet-accident.html

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 18, 2021 12:10 PM
Reply to  Edwige

Very strange story, Edwige. It seems hard to believe a plane would stay aloft for so long without control somehow but then I know nothing about aeronautics.

Cliff Edwards
Cliff Edwards
Sep 19, 2021 6:44 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

But the planes are equally obvious too…

Only for dills like you, I’m afraid.

A Critical Review of WTC ‘No Plane’ Theories

http://journalof911studies.com/volume/200610/Salter.pdf

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 19, 2021 3:13 PM
Reply to  Cliff Edwards

Love it, Cliff. Well, no doubt you have no interest but just in case you do I’ve put up an Occam’s Razor challenge to the believers in the plane crashes for 10 points favouring the hypothesis that four plane crashes weren’t faked. It’s been up for a few years now and no one’s responded. Your chance to be the first. Of course, I’ve presented my 10 points (with a few extras) favouring the hypothesis of four faked plane crashes which no one has pointed out any errors in that I can think of. Also, a chance for you to rubbish if you feel so inclined.
https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/5000-challenge.html

Cliff Edwards
Cliff Edwards
Sep 20, 2021 12:51 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

How about you try refuting what Salter says about WTC1 and WTC2? I can tell you right now that you don’t have a snowflake’s chance in Hell.

‘any errors that I can think of’ 😂🤣😂

If you prefer to stay in your snug little land of fairy tales that’s fine by me, but you’d better watch out for the bunyips.

Cliff Edwards
Cliff Edwards
Sep 20, 2021 2:44 AM

Did you actually read the whole of the Salter article? Doesn’t look like it.

Are you able to point me to any video, any video at all, that shows anything other than a plane approaching and/or hitting WTC1 or WTC2?

Yep, it’s a “slam dunk”. 😁

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 20, 2021 4:36 AM
Reply to  Cliff Edwards

Cliff, I do what Kary Mullis suggests a scientist do:

I try to prove my hypothesis wrong

That is, I look at all the arguments put forward for any competing hypotheses to ensure that they aren’t favoured over the hypothesis I think tends to be favoured and I also check that there is no evidence that contradicts my chosen hypothesis. That’s it! It doesn’t mean I will always be correct, that’s for sure, because I know I’ve misinterpreted evidence but the more I do it the better I am at it I think, especially since I’ve become much wiser to their propaganda methods.

You must look at all the evidence and all the different arguments for and against and check your favoured hypothesis against any competing hypotheses to see which fits the evidence best.

The first argument Salter puts forward is of the logical fallacy type, argument from incredulity. He asks the question: “How could X have happened?” What first must be dealt with before questions of “how” is the evidence itself. What does the evidence show? If the evidence shows something happened then the “how” of it (unless absolutely physically impossible) we must accept as a mystery. As Sherlock Holmes says:

“When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.”

In response to the argument of missiles Salter says:
“What we have of images of flight 175 from 9/11 is exactly what we would expect: a great variety of still and moving images from a variety of angles from near and far and from mainstream media down to amateurs.”

Later he says:
“Unlike the first hit, the multiple videos and photographs of the second hit clearly show a 767.”

The problem is that we don’t see a 767, we see nothing like a 767, what we see is what looks like a plane object created by software.

This is video of a 767 landing.

This is video of alleged Flight 175.

Can you point out where the alleged plane in Flight 175 resembles a 767 over any other plane? I recommend playing it at slower speed.

Then we have the Laws of Physics which is the “impossible” aspect we simply cannot eliminate. A 200-ton airliner cannot penetrate a 500,000 ton steel frame building like a knife through butter. Here is footage from a 1978 film, The Medusa Touch, which clearly presages 9/11 and where the crash physics more resembles a real crash into a building than the supposed real crash on 9/11. Ironic, no?

I recommend bearing in mind that 9/11 was a psyop. My study of psyops shows that the perps only do in psyops what they want for real and fake the rest. If they’re doing stuff for real they don’t want then that really undermines the psyop nature, doesn’t it? They want us to BELIEVE Cliff and the more we believe absolute nonsense the cleverer they feel and the more justified in despising us.

Psyops are about smoke’n’mirrors and propaganda, not close simulation of reality or actual reality (unless wanted).

I know someone who was in NY on the day and he said he saw a plane heading to the South tower. I believe that he saw either a real plane (that seems very unlikely though) or a hologram or something else but whatever he saw he didn’t see the alleged Flight 175.

Cliff Edwards
Cliff Edwards
Sep 20, 2021 6:15 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

They want us to BELIEVE Cliff and the more we believe absolute nonsense the cleverer they feel and the more justified in despising us.

Yep, “absolute nonsense” like no planes hitting WTC1 and WTC2. Holograms? ROFL

You haven’t properly refuted anything in Salter’s article, in fact it looks very much like you’ve had trouble comprehending most of it, particularly his expert analysis of the videos that supposedly support the “fake planes” fairy tale.

Better luck next time, not that I’ll be returning to this thread again only to see you once more saying nothing worthwhile in way too many words.

You really do try too hard, poor thing.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 20, 2021 9:09 AM
Reply to  Cliff Edwards

You can assert I haven’t refuted but clearly I have. Salter claims that videos and photographs clearly show a 767 when clearly all we can determine is a “plane object”.

To defend his clear 767 you need to state what about the imagery shows a 767 as opposed to any other kind of plane. When you do that I’ll sit up and pay attention … but of course it cannot be done.

ImpObs
ImpObs
Sep 18, 2021 8:57 AM
Reply to  Catte

and could lead to the unraveling of the entire narrative.

You seem to miss the fact that entire narratives have unravelled…

And that 20 yrs later it seems to have made no difference weather it was an intentional mistake or a regular screw-up.

If you want to cling to the position that the difference between…

‘the Parasite Class can be brought to justice by recognising their mistakes can be used as hard evidence

and the view…

‘these are intentional mistakes’

that the difference does matter,

maybe you’d like to provide an example where hard evidence has brought any central bank/BIS/WEF share owner to justice.

Cliff Edwards
Cliff Edwards
Sep 19, 2021 6:39 AM
Reply to  Catte

It almost looks as if the one thing you really want to achieve is for people to dismiss the hard evidence for CD and to focus instead on things which, by their nature, will always be speculative and present a weak case.

Exactly!

Roger
Roger
Sep 18, 2021 7:37 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

I guess the crucial distinction is between whether all apparent “screw-ups” in a conspiracy or deliberate or whether some are. The latter seems to me to be a much more tenable position.

In the case of Hani Hanjour I remember reading that he drew the wings of a plane backwards (i.e. like a “V” with the point at the bottom facing the tail) in one of his flight school classes, amongst other things– he was that comically inept at all things aeronautical. I think Petra’s right to be dubious that this is the individual who supposedly executes the remarkable crash into the Pentagon in the official story. I too sometimes wonder if there’s a message in that utterly improbable narrative; is there a nudge and a wink by the conspirators? Are they throwing it in our faces?

On the other hand I am also reminded of Ward Churchill and one of his critiques of 9/11 Truth, which was, to paraphrase, “Oh, you conspiracy theorists don’t believe a POC could execute that maneuver?” Hani Hanjour’s ostensible ineptness folds into this (oft-ignored) Left-wing 9/11 scenario as proof of a smug, dismissive racism by the lily-white 9/11 Truth community. Which is to say that Hanjour’s improbability as a masterful pilot worked for the intended audience of Churchill’s polemics.

But then again Ward Churchill is a highly dubious figure himself. He may very well have been bad-jacketed too. Still, his conception of 9/11– 9/11 as divine retribution for America’s sins– seems calculated to ignore the obvious indications that 9/11 was a spectacular event orchestrated by America’s own intelligence services.

So, who knows?

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 19, 2021 6:41 AM
Reply to  Roger

Roger, everything single thing about the Pentagon crash is ludicrous in the extreme, including the attending of the alleged injured people they show us – miles away from the actual building and so many people tending to so few injured with loads of people standing around.

Anyone who wishes to dispute the fakery of this photo please offer anything that you think favours its reality over fakery rather than try to simply argue for the possibility of it being real. Possibility of real can no doubt be argued for but there are many other points that favour fake over real while there is nothing I’ve found that favours the other way – so this is the context that this photo needs to be analysed in.
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Dylan Jones
Dylan Jones
Sep 18, 2021 9:23 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

I always remember this website from 2004.
The Creepy Sides of the 911 Truth Movement
http://www.angieon911.com/id24.html

“There’s also been another possible motive for the 9-11 attacks that I’ve speculated about since the beginning. Have you ever wondered why the 9-11 official story was so implausible and so sloppily put together? (you know, the simultaneous hijacking of four different planes by people armed with mere boxcutters, the suicide notes found in luggage that inadvertently didn’t make it on the planes, Arabic flight manuals left in cars in the airport, and a million other things they did which seem like obvious plants, or things they didn’t do or create which would have squelched many of the 9-11 skeptics early on.) It’s as if they want us to see through the whole thing. Could the perpetrators, in fact, want a 911 Truth Movement to flourish? And if so, why?

Perhaps the perpetrators are deliberately setting up the U.S. to be the bad guy to the rest of the world, perhaps to give the rest of the world the notion that they’d have to consolidate to fight the sole superpower, getting us that much closer to a one world government that so many global elite long for. Perhaps the ‘transparent 9-11 inside job/ mass murder deliberately painted on others for a non-ending war pretext’ is just a part of that, part of the intentional plotting to have the U.S. be seen as the real rogue nation that others must get together to fight against.”

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 18, 2021 12:16 PM
Reply to  Dylan Jones

I came across that website relatively recently and tried to contact Angie but no response. It’s amazing the little gems you can dig up from years ago where the writers seem to have simply disappeared. Gerard Holmgren didn’t disappear, unfortunately, he died from a brain tumour.

Dylan Jones
Dylan Jones
Sep 19, 2021 12:23 AM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

I can see I got a few dislikes on simply posting that, which is pathetic.
I will certainly consider such higher octave perspectives whenever holes in the deep state events come across so blatantly. Dislikes be damned.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 19, 2021 6:44 AM
Reply to  Dylan Jones

Oh no, you never pay attention to dislikes. Generally, anyone who isn’t bothered to put why they dislike something and simply “dislikes” has no credibility in my opinion.

Mishko
Mishko
Sep 18, 2021 2:27 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

YT channel Quantum Of Conscience has defined these failings as
“pissed on breadcrumbs”: questions leading to more questions/assumptions/
affirmation but never a smoking gun. Merely the promise.

Jim McDonagh
Jim McDonagh
Sep 18, 2021 11:41 PM
Reply to  Mishko

3 can keep a secret when 2 of them are dead?

Tike
Tike
Sep 18, 2021 5:50 AM

Excellent. Let’s hope their hubris will be their downfall…. (and that the collateral damage to humanity won’t be extreme). Meanwhile, we carry on fighting for our lives and trying to wake up as many souls as will listen.

niko
niko
Sep 18, 2021 5:47 AM

We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.
-Karl Rove

Power is the ultimate aphrodisiac.
-Henry Kissinger

Jim McDonagh
Jim McDonagh
Sep 18, 2021 11:44 PM
Reply to  niko

Only for warty old goats like Kissinger is power an aphrodisiac , and perhaps a class of lazy and insipid women ?

Platov
Platov
Sep 18, 2021 5:38 AM

Spot on analysis of the minds of megalomaniacs. The specific diagnoses of their psychoses aren’t important, just the fact that they are so far from being normal that they are completely unaware of all sorts of “blind spots” and “tells” that are evident to any normal person paying attention. Yes, the very thing that makes them so cunning and evil is also the thing that can unwittingly destroy them.

Eye Aether
Eye Aether
Sep 18, 2021 4:32 AM

The Art of the Con

They count on a percentage of the masses figuring it out but it takes a while and by then they’ve bit off most of the apple and are on to the next con.

We seem to be raising our discernment but they still are able to take advantage of the delay in us figuring it out.

aspnaz
aspnaz
Sep 18, 2021 3:47 AM

I like the reference to psychopath syndrome: the internet encourages people to emphasise the psychopath traits. As the individuals are not face to face, they communicate through a screen, the level of empathy is reduced, the glibness and superficiality is increased, the lying is increased, the level of fear is reduced (basically to nothing) and when bored or their lies are found out, they can drop out and just move on to a new set of contacts. I am sure that more “normal” people also indulge themselves in activities that, due to the reduced fear and empathy, they would not dare get involved with in real life, such as sadism porn, child porn and other antisocial activities.

The emphasis of psychopathic traits online has to influence how people behave in real life.

mgeo
mgeo
Sep 18, 2021 12:32 PM
Reply to  aspnaz

Psychopaths – sociopaths in a civilised society – get ahead and become dominant. Their ambitions keep growing. One historic response was assassination.

DaveMass
DaveMass
Sep 18, 2021 2:30 AM

Yep look at this latest Oz sub debacle.
So-called allies squabbling.

les online
les online
Sep 18, 2021 1:36 AM

The USA Protectorate, Australia, contains a number of Foreign Military Bases. As the USA war drumbeats grow more insistent, the USA’s Enemy-of-the-Moment might decide to “take out” one, or a few of those outer-lying targets as a warning to the USA to back off.
The Protectorates stance has long been “All The Way With The USA !”
The post WW2 bond between the two is enshrined in the 1951 ANZUS Treaty. Shockingly, most Aussies dont know it doesnt guarantee that the USA will come to the Protectorates defense if it is attacked by whichever is the USA’s current Enemy-of-the-Moment.

susan mullen
susan mullen
Sep 18, 2021 6:12 AM
Reply to  les online

As bad as the US is, its beating heart is its “ally” the UK monarchy which presently is Queen Elizabeth. The US political class sees royals sitting on thrones in UK and elsewhere, above the law and certainly with no fear of peasants. Self appointed US elites have long believed we should treat them as if they were royals, and the fact that we don’t drives them into a rage. So they figured a way to marginalize us by converting us into a new breed of human being, born into slavery of the global war industry. Most especially we’re enslaved to the British Empire as if 1776 never happened. The British Empire has the same will but they lack the military. Enter US slaves. Woodrow Wilson sent us “over there” in WWI which was massively profitable for Wall St., FDR was thrilled to sneak weapons to the UK, knowing that Americans desperately wanted to remain neutral in WWII. But of course, FDR sent us “over there” too. The world saw US elites eager to farm out its own citizens to fight and die across vast oceans. If the US were really a democracy, we’d be allowed to vote to end all US military action outside US borders, not one single member of US military allowed outside US borders, and closure of all 800+ military bases. Sine this won’t happen, it’s obvious there’s only one way we’ll be free again, which is breaking the US up into 3 or 4 parts.

les online
les online
Sep 18, 2021 6:46 AM
Reply to  susan mullen

Ernest Callenbach’s Ecotopia (1975) was about the idea of the USA breaking up, with the West coast states, specifically California, breaking away. Curiously interesting, though left-leaning, novel. Always have wondered why ‘the left’ ignored it…(I recall the anarchist Fifth Estate publication panned it.)

mgeo
mgeo
Sep 18, 2021 12:35 PM
Reply to  les online

No need to consider being attacked. Aus is cutting “off its nose” to show its loyalty. China will keep tightening the screws, when it is ready for each step. Maybe a cull of the population by jab will become a necessity.

les online
les online
Sep 18, 2021 1:46 PM
Reply to  mgeo

Given how much our Quarry Economy depends on China’s need for Australia’s raw materials, only a politician is capable of believing threatening China wont have consequences.

Martin Usher
Martin Usher
Sep 18, 2021 1:28 AM

I’ve floated a theory about 9/11 which tries to take into account the notion of ‘you can’t make an omelette without breaking eggs’ and the idea that any plan, no matter how meticulously worked out, is always going to be subject to chance and unforeseen circumstance. If we work back from the premise that the goal was the passing of the Patriot Act then its logical to assume that there should be a large scale outrage to provide the momentum to rapidly pass it ‘sight unseen’. For me the ‘unforeseen’ was the scale and success of the WTC attacks. Previous attacks like the 1993 WTC bombing were serious but ultimately didn’t do much damage so its reasonable to suppose that the elites, whoever they were, knew that the Black Sheep of the bin Laden family was up to something but they were not sure what it was, the specifics weren’t important (that’s the omelette bit). What went wrong was that nobody was expecting anything like the scale and success of the attacks and whoever knew and was planning to take advantage of the incident effectively lost control of the situation. Some damage control was evident — the bin Ladens were in the US, they were friends of the Bushes, so it was important to get them out the country before someone tapped them as material witnesses (this agreeing with the notion that no matter how well plans are laid there’s always some contingency that has to be dealt with on the fly). The rest, as they say is history, except that nobody can quite explain what happened to WTC7 which has given rise to all sorts of speculation about it.

Rather than speculate about ‘what’ all the time it might be more productive to focus on the ‘why’, the motivations behind particular events. This is in the tradition of organized crime detection where you follow the money — it might be difficult to perceive a pattern from individual actions but ultimately it all revolves around one prime motivation. I don’t know much about JFK’s assassination but I was aware that the lone gunmen that killed both RFK and Yithzak Rabin (for example) managed to stop desirable reform movements in their tracks. (The death of the Iranian, Solemani, may also belong in this class but in this case it was easy to see how he was interfering with US policy)(its also a lot easier to kill random people these days — you just designate them ‘terrorists’ and that’s all the judtification you need) The ‘whys’ are a lot easy to fit into a pattern than the ‘whats’ but it still begs the question about why would anyone bother — we’re all supposed to be for peace and stuff.

One last thought about ‘conspiracy theories’. There’s this old saying that “just because I’m paranoid doesn’t mean that they’re not out to get me” which applied to theories suggests that while many are fanciful, even ridiculous, this doesn’t mean that one or more can’t be true. Its just that if I wanted to hide an annoying theory about something that’s circulating in the population I’m not going send out the jackboots to suppress it — it won’t work and it draws attention to it. Far better to flood the place with lots of similar theories, drowning the signal in the noise. This suggests that we should be careful and sparing with our theories.

New Nane
New Nane
Sep 18, 2021 10:14 AM
Reply to  Martin Usher

How did bin Laden bring down two 500,000 ton steel and concrete buildings ?

Jim McDonagh
Jim McDonagh
Sep 18, 2021 11:51 PM
Reply to  New Nane

By inspiring Saudi jihadis to hi-jack two airliners and fly them into the shoddily constructed bankster towers , causing them to collapse . Short answer but all that’s really needed to make sense of the whole business . What happened in the halls of power globally immediately after is what is important and we are constantly diverted from discussing that .

Cliff Edwards
Cliff Edwards
Sep 19, 2021 1:45 AM
Reply to  Jim McDonagh

Don’t happen to have a credible source for that “shoddily constructed”, do you Jimmy?

aspnaz
aspnaz
Sep 18, 2021 1:18 AM

South Pacific Nuclear Free Zone Treaty Act 1986

That is history as the undemocratic elites of Australia take US money to turn their island into a launch pad for US military might, and also make them a top target. More white collar crime, those new country houses for Morrison and his family. Not Gods, crooks!

aspnaz
aspnaz
Sep 18, 2021 1:11 AM

White collar crime is so rampant, and getting worse, that society cannot survive. There is no saving democratic society from its criminals, we are headed for the drain, but the important thing to realise is that that white collar lawlessness will bring violence to a street near you in the near future. You think someone too poor to feed his family is going to starve or, with nothing to lose and not being a drugged up homeless person, will not take up violence and feed his family with your food or even you?

I don’t know when it started, but it became obvious with government bailouts after financial crashes – no enforcement followed – which then encouraged more bailouts, which encouraged more schemes and scams which again, because it was white collar crime, resulted in the victims losing everything and the villains being effectively pardoned. White collar crime was deemed okay by the elites, who were the worst offenders, and so society is disolving before our eyes.

So, gear up, you will have someone violent at your doorstep soon, but it will be caused by white collar crime, the sort that “doesn’t really harm anyone” and the people doing it are crooks, not Gods!

Howard
Howard
Sep 18, 2021 2:55 AM
Reply to  aspnaz

I just call it something else – corruption. White collar crime is a sub-set of corruption. Because the corruption of everything within a society is beyond criminal: it is endemic. It affects everyone sooner or later.

Law enforcement – even if it existed except in name only – can do nothing about corruption. The human heart/soul/mind has become corrupt through its reliance on mechanistic approaches to doing virtually everything.

The only rational societal maxim should be: “how will this affect living beings.” Yet we know that has been moved to the very bottom rung of consideration. And “how will this help enrich me” has taken its place at the top rung.

syllamo
syllamo
Sep 18, 2021 1:08 AM

And I don’t think that they are ‘gods’ – I just think that we are stupid 🙂

https://syllamo.blogspot.com/2020/05/its-because-were-stupid.html

Be sure to follow through the links for full context.

syllamo
syllamo
Sep 18, 2021 12:51 AM

Perhaps more needs to be taken into context when discussing such things.
Firstly there is the programming which we have all been doused in all of our lives (eg. that it is only this or that).
B) That this is perhaps the endgame of a plan hatched hundreds of years ago.
And many many more things which are intertwined to nudge our opinions and even what we consider ‘knowledge’ – so who are we really anyways?

So I think you are both over simplifying this as the programming dictates – perhaps this Petra is simply afraid for she sees no way out and can actually contextualize more than this author to reach her conclusion.
And perhaps the author simply NEEDS to believe that ‘good will triumph over evil’ if we are all just ‘positive’ about things (again, this/that thinking).

It is an interesting ride for sure and maybe some honest reflection is in order at all levels.

syllamo
syllamo
Sep 18, 2021 1:06 AM
Reply to  syllamo

Forgot to add:
That we also must seriously consider that we may lose this ‘battle’ and that not being able to discuss such things honestly may hasten our demise.
Instead, many like to bicker about the little things and are eager to tear someone down. To their level perhaps?
Divided we fall remember – where are we now?

aspnaz
aspnaz
Sep 18, 2021 1:14 AM
Reply to  syllamo

It is white collar crime. Without a CCP to act as God, clip the wings of the billionaires and introduce enforcement, how can you do anything but lose?

syllamo
syllamo
Sep 19, 2021 10:27 PM

Thanks for the clarification
It is really about those which think that others are just too ‘negative’ in their thinking which spreads to the point of actually killing discussion – the censorship of our selves has many levels.
At which point do we stop being puppets in the “Age of the Mass Debaters: Where we really didn’t learn anything except how to tear each other down” and begin to create the better hearts within which will create the better world without?
That is the crux of my message – even if misplaced.

david
david
Sep 18, 2021 12:45 AM

Ethics is Intelligence

krm
krm
Sep 18, 2021 12:28 AM

Of course their not infallible.. They are only (allowed) to do so much, and the time allotted. If they were, we would have already been in the NWO back in late 90’s or early 2000’s…
The LORD is still on HIS Throne, and HE decides what happens, and when it happens…

Roger
Roger
Sep 18, 2021 12:05 AM

This sort of “infallible elite” extends to the John F. Kennedy assassination too. Many a researcher has gone down the rabbit-hole of trying to make sense of some small coincidence or fuck-up in the complex story, many mountains created out of molehills, much ink spilled trying to explain how even those things that appear to point to a conspiracy were supposedly part of the plan all along.

One common mistake is looking at the early life of Lee Harvey Oswald and trying to diagram out the JFK plotters’ machinations back into 1960, 1957, 1954 or earlier… before JFK was even in office. The complicated, mostly bogus “Harvey and Lee” theories of John Armstrong often lead readers into this trap.

One current tendency in research looks at the shooting of Dallas office J.D. Tippit as a local crime wholly unrelated to the assassination that coincided with it chronologically. Why, some have asked, bother with the assassination of an undistinguished beat cop when the president of the U.S. is being killed in broad daylight a few miles away? What’s the point of tacking on such a minor offense to Oswald’s rapsheet? Just to make the public really really mad? It seems like whatever happened with Tippit or with the shooting of General Walker (the scoop in that regard came from a German neo-Nazi newspaper, FYI) has little to do with what went down in Dealey Plaza. These events just glommed onto the official narrative and, guess what, the powers-that-were are not fond of admitting their mistakes. They don’t have to be consistent or even coherent. So the extra “crimes” of Oswald are still on the books, never to be expunged no matter how little evidence connects him to them.

With regards to 9/11– and more jejune to this website Covid– all manner of blatant inconsistencies mar the official story. You don’t have to be a genius to figure out that 2 planes hit 2 buildings and 3 collapsed; that doesn’t make sense. Or that masks are B.S. and that the Covid vaccines seem to be placebos, at least in terms of preventing Covid. The elite just don’t care if this or that facet of a story doesn’t make sense, because the public doesn’t really care if it all makes sense, they get the gist of it. That’s what counts.

New Nane
New Nane
Sep 18, 2021 4:03 AM
Reply to  Roger

How many what hit what ?

Roger
Roger
Sep 18, 2021 4:24 AM
Reply to  New Nane

On 9/11 in NYC two planes hit two buildings. Three buildings collapsed.

The question is, why did that third building (Building 7) that was not hit by a plane, then collapse into its own footprint like the other two did?

New Nane
New Nane
Sep 18, 2021 10:16 AM
Reply to  Roger

How do you know the towers were hit by planes ?

Cliff Edwards
Cliff Edwards
Sep 19, 2021 1:47 AM
Reply to  New Nane

How do you know they weren’t?

Cliff Edwards
Cliff Edwards
Sep 19, 2021 6:33 AM
Reply to  New Nane

This is much better info than any of the crap you’ve obviously been reading and/or watching:

A Critical Review of WTC ‘No Plane’ Theories

http://journalof911studies.com/volume/200610/Salter.pdf

New Nane
New Nane
Sep 18, 2021 4:08 AM
Reply to  Roger

Oswald’s story is amazing and reveals so much. It shows that cold war was a hoax.
His befriending by CIA connected Ruth Paine who found him the Book Depository job three weeks before the murder is as astounding part of the plot. Paine also told the authorities that Oswald stored a rifle at their house. Her role in connecting the patsy to the crime is pivotal .

antitermite
antitermite
Sep 17, 2021 11:55 PM

It all comes down to narrative control.
And in this century, the narrative control is more than adequate for Psychopaths – in – charge.

Who was it said “you don’t have to convince all of the people all of the time, you only have to convince enough of the people enough of the time”

When they lose control of the narrative these days, it’s far simpler to silence critique than plug the glaring plot holes.
We see that now more than ever with twitter etc & covid.
Or simply throw out some distraction when they make obvious fuckups.
Anyone remember “Operation Monica”?
The nazi propaganda engine – and our own current situation – illustrates how with enough reinforcement, sheeple will believe in the absurd, or at very least they’ll play along with no resistance.

This is not a phenomenon of recent times, it’s probably how history has been made for centuries.
There was some period in the 20th century where loss of narrative was really a factor, but that lesson was learned.

Hugh O'Neill
Hugh O'Neill
Sep 17, 2021 11:39 PM

Before I begin, the Home Page does not show the picture to this article. Maybe just my computer….?
This thought just occurred to me about the imbecility of The Elite: which clown even dreamt up the scenario that little aluminium aircraft could bring down huge steel and concrete buildings. Doubtless, the idea would be part of some computer game and thus it was an idea which existed in the minds of pimply geeks (the same imbecilic inbreeds who are drawn to the ranks of the CIA). But the geeks never thought to ask any semi-competent engineer or architect who would have told them that their ideas were preposterous. (N.B. just as the architect profession cowered before the propaganda, so today the entire medical, scientific, academic and journalistic professions likewise cower down before such arrant ‘pandemic’ nonsense). Where the elites score highly therefore is in their intimate understanding of the Human Condition. I have long suspected that the likes of the Zimbardo and Milgram experiments were CIA funded along with most psychology.
So it seems that the Elites succeed because of their understanding of psychology. Our task therefore is to awake the spell-bound masses. They use fear to control minds, therefore love must be the antidote. (But how does one put that into a syringe and mandate the masses…?)

Theobalt
Theobalt
Sep 17, 2021 11:25 PM

Some people have passed masters at copy/paste

Theobalt
Theobalt
Sep 18, 2021 11:08 AM
Reply to  Theobalt

Silver anyone?

Veri Tas
Veri Tas
Sep 17, 2021 11:16 PM

Just when I began to get my hopes up, there was this: “And of course they’re in no danger of ending up on death row because, unlike hapless antifreeze guy, they own the judiciary, legal system and entire political class so the incentive to try hard isn’t even there.”

And, finally, there are all those Petras who believe.

Still no light at the end of the tunnel.

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Sep 17, 2021 11:38 PM
Reply to  Veri Tas

There are two bodies of law.

Senator Lindsey Graham Questions Brett Kavanaugh Military Law vs Criminal Law during war on terror
Sep 2018

mgeo
mgeo
Sep 18, 2021 10:21 AM
Reply to  Veri Tas

What about the antifreeze (PEG) in the covid jab, now in billions of people?

Buster Bloodvessel
Buster Bloodvessel
Sep 17, 2021 10:57 PM

For the most comprehensive view what happened on 9/11 this book is well worth finding,

Where Did the Towers Go by Dr Judy Wood

Howard
Howard
Sep 18, 2021 3:11 AM

I don’t wish to be officious here, but “comprehensive” is not a good adjective to describe Dr Wood’s book. She categorically rules out the possibility of any agency but directed energy weapons – notwithstanding an abundance of evidence for the possibility of controlled demolition.

I believe Dr Wood’s contribution to the overall narrative is significant; but it doesn’t render every other contribution meaningless. Nor does it allow for anything else – which a truly “comprehensive” work would.

Doctortrinate
Doctortrinate
Sep 17, 2021 10:38 PM

aren’t they permenantly taking liberties at the expense of others, playing the people ?….Don’t the masses repeatedly succumb to the same few misleaders who only need to change their costume to maintain their influence. And could they, the PTB, evaluate the mental make-up of the plebs with increasingly conspicious examples of trickery in order to measure the disposition of the masses… structure their level of attack and timing of their offensive – I think the answer is an obvious, Yes.

Vagabard
Vagabard
Sep 17, 2021 11:00 PM
Reply to  Doctortrinate

It’s a flaw in human nature to require any kind of human leader or misleader. Why elevate any other mortal human being above yourself, whose span of years is not dissimilar to your own?

And particularly why elevate someone who is simply greedy for such a status (likely from an early sense of inferiority), or who has otherwise developed such a need to dominate over other human beings?

So don’t blame them. Blame ourselves. What is it in us that makes us pander to such creatures? Why do we need another human to ‘look up to’?

I think it’s somewhere in the OT that the introduction of a ‘King’ was shown to be a bad idea. Previously all people were subservient only to their Creator.

Better that we return to that model.

Veri Tas
Veri Tas
Sep 17, 2021 11:18 PM
Reply to  Vagabard

Why? Because people refuse to take responsibility.

Doctortrinate
Doctortrinate
Sep 17, 2021 11:42 PM
Reply to  Vagabard

le Roi Soleil,chosen by divinity….to Sin against them is to sin against the creator. A preposterous proposal, but an effective one for this Church of man that survives by adoration, though not from the heretical enemy that seeks to distance themselves from the repressive order, one that relies on a subservient and dormant audience to maintain its importance.

DavidW
DavidW
Sep 18, 2021 4:49 AM
Reply to  Vagabard

‘Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.’ – Denis Diderot

New Nane
New Nane
Sep 18, 2021 10:21 AM
Reply to  DavidW

The banksters are at the apex of the pyramid. Cheka and the gulags dwarfed anything the Czar did.

Xavier
Xavier
Sep 17, 2021 10:29 PM

WTC 7 was one of the three masonic towers. WTC 1 & 2 were the other two.

All three had to be felled.

Father, Son, & Holy Ghost.

Wayne Vanderploeg
Wayne Vanderploeg
Sep 17, 2021 9:37 PM

I never knew there was a building 7 collapse. Not until coming to this site more than a year ago. We had lives to live when it happened. We moved on and forgot about it.

I have no idea how I even found off-guardian. I assume I was already in another rabbit hole and started following links.

That attack happened 20 years ago. They got away with it. Was it anticipated that something like this might happen and were the demolition charges preinstalled during the original construction or some time later? I don’t know. I don’t care.

The nitty gritty details don’t matter.

Why they ever would have sacrificed building 7 matters. I can’t remember if people died in that building. Did I skim past that information? If I did, sorry.

It really makes sense that the buildings were rigged in advance but it does not make sense that they chose to bring them down when they did.

Was it because all those people in the top floors were burning to death and choosing to leap to their deaths over burning? So many people below the fire were still evacuating and the timing does not make sense. Were they sacrificing all those people below the fire to spare those above the fire the agony of burning to death? Did they blow it early because they were worried about the fire damaging the demolition system?

How many were sacrificed to put those poor people burning to death out of their misery?

That is one of my questions.

The other question is about possible collateral damage to the adjacent buildings. Were they evacuating those buildings (or were they already evacuated).

In my mind that makes more sense. Save larger numbers by sacrificing those in the burning buildings, assuming they were going to topple over and kill people in the adjacent buildings. I don’t the details well enough.

If it WAS rigged in advance as the evidence shows, how many of the other buildings across the world are rigged to fall straight down in the event of another similar emergency? It would make sense that they are. It would also make sense to keep it secret.

Who would want to work in a building that was rigged to explode and fall straight down in the event of an emergency.

I wouldn’t work there.

If the secrecy is the key to the conspiracy then it seems obvious to me why most people did not know about it.

This is not really that different than these vaccines that are killing and maiming people left and right.

Another sacrifice to gain control and save a larger segment of the world population from climate change.

It seems to be looking more like it every day.

A culling.

NickM
NickM
Sep 18, 2021 8:05 AM

Your reasoning is too convoluted.

Con-911 has all the signs of an Anglo Zionazi Capitalist false flag atrocity, with the Zionazi component predominant: Firstly, to “take out” 7 countries on Israel’s endless list of “existential enemies” within 5 years of 2001. Secondly, to make money from oil contracts, arms contracts, insurance contracts and insider dealing. Thirdly, to consolidate The War of Terror against the people of the free world.

Con-19 is a much bigger Con-spiracy than Con-911, because in Con-19 the Capitalist component is predominant: Money and Power. Money as Power: Con-19 as digital control, leading to Con-B3.

“I care not who writes the Laws so long as I Con-trol the Currency” — Meyer Rothschild.

Little things like regard for the lives, health and wellbeing of the people play no part in these Con-spiracies.

mgeo
mgeo
Sep 18, 2021 12:58 PM
Reply to  NickM

In Con-19, (a) GloboCap eliminates the problem of unpayable debt owed to it (b) stays out of jail after wrecking the planet, the economy and our health (c) eliminates most of us.

martin
martin
Sep 18, 2021 12:58 PM

Tony is that you?

Dylan Jones
Dylan Jones
Sep 17, 2021 9:28 PM

I always remember this website from 2004.

The Creepy Sides of the 911 Truth Movement
http://www.angieon911.com/id24.html

It certainly got me thinking. Even smooth well-oiled machines breakdown occasionally, but you simply cannot describe this level of conspiracy as anything other than a well-oiled machine. Remember, even considering the glaring cock-ups, they have a hierarchy of scapegoats to misdirect attention onto and often this IS intentional.

“There’s also been another possible motive for the 9-11 attacks that I’ve speculated about since the beginning. Have you ever wondered why the 9-11 official story was so implausible and so sloppily put together? (you know, the simultaneous hijacking of four different planes by people armed with mere boxcutters, the suicide notes found in luggage that inadvertently didn’t make it on the planes, Arabic flight manuals left in cars in the airport, and a million other things they did which seem like obvious plants, or things they didn’t do or create which would have squelched many of the 9-11 skeptics early on.) It’s as if they want us to see through the whole thing. Could the perpetrators, in fact, want a 911 Truth Movement to flourish? And if so, why?

Perhaps the perpetrators are deliberately setting up the U.S. to be the bad guy to the rest of the world, perhaps to give the rest of the world the notion that they’d have to consolidate to fight the sole superpower, getting us that much closer to a one world government that so many global elite long for. Perhaps the ‘transparent 9-11 inside job/ mass murder deliberately painted on others for a non-ending war pretext’ is just a part of that, part of the intentional plotting to have the U.S. be seen as the real rogue nation that others must get together to fight against.”

Xavier
Xavier
Sep 17, 2021 10:24 PM
Reply to  Dylan Jones

Only the truly perspicacious will realise that 9/11 was directed at them.

S Cooper
S Cooper
Sep 17, 2021 9:17 PM

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S Cooper
S Cooper
Sep 17, 2021 9:19 PM
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les online
les online
Sep 18, 2021 12:41 AM
Reply to  S Cooper

The Goebbels – Biden quote reminds me of Michael Velli’s book ‘Manual for Revolutionary Leaders. A compilation of quotes by leaders of various working class vanguard parties in The West and their comparison with similar quotes uttered by Stalin, Hitler, Mao et al. The same quotes being uttered by all who would be our leaders, regardless of the political packaging they come in.(Always, always, offering “Security”)

Lost in a dark wood
Lost in a dark wood
Sep 17, 2021 8:05 PM

It’s going to be Biblical!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feet_of_clay

Feet of clay is an expression now commonly used to refer to a weakness or character flaw, especially in people of prominence. The phrase derives from the interpretation of the dream of Nebuchadnezzar, King of Babylon, by the prophet Daniel as recounted in the Book of Daniel:

Your Majesty looked, and there before you stood a large statue—an enormous, dazzling statue, awesome in appearance.
The head of the statue was made of pure gold, its chest and arms of silver, its belly and thighs of bronze, its legs of iron, its feet partly of iron and partly of baked clay. (Daniel 2:31-33)

Just as you saw that the feet and toes were partly of baked clay and partly of iron, so this will be a divided kingdom; yet it will have some of the strength of iron in it, even as you saw iron mixed with clay.
As the toes were partly iron and partly clay, so this kingdom will be partly strong and partly brittle. And just as you saw the iron mixed with baked clay, so the people will be a mixture and will not remain united, any more than iron mixes with clay.(Daniel 2:41-43)

Notable uses:

Thanks for that lesson—it will teach
 To after-warriors more
Than high Philosophy can preach,
 And vainly preach’d before.
That spell upon the minds of men
Breaks never to unite again,
 That led them to adore
Those Pagod things of sabre sway,
With fronts of brass, and feet of clay.

– Byron – Ode to Napoleon Buonaparte

Of course, although the principle is valid, Napoleon was merely carrying out his assigned role. The actual failure was in not defeating Russia; so this had to wait another century.

Musical Society of Algemesí
Dec 3, 2016