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		By: michael888		</title>
		<link>https://off-guardian.org/2022/05/15/the-subtleties-of-anti-russia-leftist-rhetoric/#comment-513974</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jun 2022 00:14:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Nice discussion (although David, not Sampson, slew Goliath.  Sampson was the misogynistic biblical story &quot;Never trust a woman!&quot;

I was shocked how the background to US Puppet state Ukraine was completely avoided by State Media (omission is important in propaganda).  The US installed Yushchenko as President after the Orange Revolution in 2005.  Yushchenko was the perfect puppet; he was a banker married to an American State Dept/ CIA agent).  However when he came up for re-election in 2009-10, monitored by the UN, Yushchenko received only 5% of the vote.Yanukovych won the closely monitored Election, and began playing the EU against Russia for the best deal.  Having been burnt by high interest loans from the EU (the money went poof! This is Ukraine, the most corrupt country in Europe), Yanukovych went with Russia in 2013. Kiev is on the Western (EU-leaning, NAZI-worshipping) side of Ukraine, so it was easy for Nuland, VP Biden&#039;s NAZIs and the CIA to overthrow democraticly elected Yanukovych in the Coup in 2014.  Eastern and Southern, Coastal Ukraine are largely ethnic Russians; Crimea, Donetsk and Luhansk were uphappy losing THEIR President to the Americans and broke away (much like Kosovo leaving Serbia).  Russia had no interest at the time in the Donbas, but Crimea was important, so they annexed it with a plebescite. But after 8 years of atrocities and war in the Donbas between the breakaway republics and the NAZI-dominated Ukraine army, Putin used Clinton&#039;s trick of recognizing &quot;the independence and sovereignty&quot; of the breakaway Donetsk and Lugansk (no more &quot;free&quot; than US puppet Ukraine) and providing &quot;collective self defense&quot; under UN Article 51 against puppet Ukraine, which had killed over 80% of the14,000 who died in the Donbas.  This was the legal basis of Russia&#039;s Special Military Operation (again analogos to Clinton&#039;s Bosnian War), which the West shrieked was an &quot;Invasion&quot;.  The Russians so far have used kid gloves since many of those they are fighting are ethnic Russian Ukrainians. US puppet Ukraine refused to honor the Misk II accords they signed in 2015, so Russia will not quickly accept terms (the US has made it clear this is another Forever War and it&#039;s to Ukraine&#039;s advantage to have ceasefires and more weapon deliveries.  Look for Russia to move to Odessa next and take most or maybe all of the Coast of Ukraine. If Ukraine continues its attacks on the Breakaway Republics or Russia itself, look for Western Ukraine to receive a very bloody nose without the kid gloves.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice discussion (although David, not Sampson, slew Goliath.  Sampson was the misogynistic biblical story &#8220;Never trust a woman!&#8221;</p>
<p>I was shocked how the background to US Puppet state Ukraine was completely avoided by State Media (omission is important in propaganda).  The US installed Yushchenko as President after the Orange Revolution in 2005.  Yushchenko was the perfect puppet; he was a banker married to an American State Dept/ CIA agent).  However when he came up for re-election in 2009-10, monitored by the UN, Yushchenko received only 5% of the vote.Yanukovych won the closely monitored Election, and began playing the EU against Russia for the best deal.  Having been burnt by high interest loans from the EU (the money went poof! This is Ukraine, the most corrupt country in Europe), Yanukovych went with Russia in 2013. Kiev is on the Western (EU-leaning, NAZI-worshipping) side of Ukraine, so it was easy for Nuland, VP Biden&#8217;s NAZIs and the CIA to overthrow democraticly elected Yanukovych in the Coup in 2014.  Eastern and Southern, Coastal Ukraine are largely ethnic Russians; Crimea, Donetsk and Luhansk were uphappy losing THEIR President to the Americans and broke away (much like Kosovo leaving Serbia).  Russia had no interest at the time in the Donbas, but Crimea was important, so they annexed it with a plebescite. But after 8 years of atrocities and war in the Donbas between the breakaway republics and the NAZI-dominated Ukraine army, Putin used Clinton&#8217;s trick of recognizing &#8220;the independence and sovereignty&#8221; of the breakaway Donetsk and Lugansk (no more &#8220;free&#8221; than US puppet Ukraine) and providing &#8220;collective self defense&#8221; under UN Article 51 against puppet Ukraine, which had killed over 80% of the14,000 who died in the Donbas.  This was the legal basis of Russia&#8217;s Special Military Operation (again analogos to Clinton&#8217;s Bosnian War), which the West shrieked was an &#8220;Invasion&#8221;.  The Russians so far have used kid gloves since many of those they are fighting are ethnic Russian Ukrainians. US puppet Ukraine refused to honor the Misk II accords they signed in 2015, so Russia will not quickly accept terms (the US has made it clear this is another Forever War and it&#8217;s to Ukraine&#8217;s advantage to have ceasefires and more weapon deliveries.  Look for Russia to move to Odessa next and take most or maybe all of the Coast of Ukraine. If Ukraine continues its attacks on the Breakaway Republics or Russia itself, look for Western Ukraine to receive a very bloody nose without the kid gloves.</p>
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		By: Christopher David Barclay		</title>
		<link>https://off-guardian.org/2022/05/15/the-subtleties-of-anti-russia-leftist-rhetoric/#comment-512191</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christopher David Barclay]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jun 2022 05:36:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thank you, Edward, for your services to Russian imperialism.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Edward, for your services to Russian imperialism.</p>
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		By: ossie		</title>
		<link>https://off-guardian.org/2022/05/15/the-subtleties-of-anti-russia-leftist-rhetoric/#comment-511778</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jun 2022 11:14:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://off-guardian.org/2022/05/15/the-subtleties-of-anti-russia-leftist-rhetoric/#comment-511137&quot;&gt;william papke&lt;/a&gt;.

They were formed from the Nazi history loving hooligans from football galleries of Galicia. May 2nd massacre in Odessa was one of their &quot;triumphs&quot; against &quot;Colorados&quot; which directly underpinned  the declaration of independence of the Donbas republics against Hohol terrorists, which to this day shell, and murder civilians in in Donbas.
Mariupol came later, where those  psychopaths were given free reign to torture, and murder &quot;separs&quot;.
Their &quot;models&quot; are OUN, UPA, Bandera, Shukhevych, SS Galizien Division, Nachtigall Batallion, and all Nazi criminals who murdered defenseless civilians during WW2.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://off-guardian.org/2022/05/15/the-subtleties-of-anti-russia-leftist-rhetoric/#comment-511137">william papke</a>.</p>
<p>They were formed from the Nazi history loving hooligans from football galleries of Galicia. May 2nd massacre in Odessa was one of their &#8220;triumphs&#8221; against &#8220;Colorados&#8221; which directly underpinned  the declaration of independence of the Donbas republics against Hohol terrorists, which to this day shell, and murder civilians in in Donbas.<br />
Mariupol came later, where those  psychopaths were given free reign to torture, and murder &#8220;separs&#8221;.<br />
Their &#8220;models&#8221; are OUN, UPA, Bandera, Shukhevych, SS Galizien Division, Nachtigall Batallion, and all Nazi criminals who murdered defenseless civilians during WW2.</p>
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		By: Sam - Admin		</title>
		<link>https://off-guardian.org/2022/05/15/the-subtleties-of-anti-russia-leftist-rhetoric/#comment-511148</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sam - Admin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jun 2022 13:34:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://off-guardian.org/2022/05/15/the-subtleties-of-anti-russia-leftist-rhetoric/#comment-511137&quot;&gt;william papke&lt;/a&gt;.

But Azov and C14 and others are neo-Nazi paramilitary outfits, using SS insignia and Nazi hand gestures, predicated upon ultra-nationalist, white-supremacist ideologies. Is this really disputed? Whatever you think of the ‘special operation’ in Ukraine or past/present invasions by the West of ‘non-European’ sovereign states with similar euphemistic epithets and/or divisive/legally dubious pretexts, or whatever you think of Russia or the West in general, I don’t think it serves any purpose to get caught up in the cartoonish, fake moral binary erected by the media surrounding Ukraine, or to downplay the unsavoury battalions operating there. A2]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://off-guardian.org/2022/05/15/the-subtleties-of-anti-russia-leftist-rhetoric/#comment-511137">william papke</a>.</p>
<p>But Azov and C14 and others are neo-Nazi paramilitary outfits, using SS insignia and Nazi hand gestures, predicated upon ultra-nationalist, white-supremacist ideologies. Is this really disputed? Whatever you think of the ‘special operation’ in Ukraine or past/present invasions by the West of ‘non-European’ sovereign states with similar euphemistic epithets and/or divisive/legally dubious pretexts, or whatever you think of Russia or the West in general, I don’t think it serves any purpose to get caught up in the cartoonish, fake moral binary erected by the media surrounding Ukraine, or to downplay the unsavoury battalions operating there. A2</p>
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		By: william papke		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[william papke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jun 2022 12:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Despite the title of your article, subtleties apparently escape you. The so-called neo-nazi Azov Battalion was founded as a volunteer militia by Andriy Biletsky, a known Judenhasser as a volunteer militia to defend Mariopol against Russian backed separatist forces. After its successful defense of the city the militia was incorporated into the Ukrainian National Guard as a regiment. Today it is composed of primarily of Russian speaking Greeks, Jews and Crimeans. Supporting Russia&#039;s fiction of a &quot;neo-nazi&quot; battlalion is unintentionally or intentionally parrot Putin&#039;s propaganda and  legitimizes the Russian invasion of the sovereign nation of.Ukraine.
 Since you brought up neo-nazis let&#039;s be sure to not exclude Putin&#039;s neo-nazi tool of &quot;managed nationalism&quot;, Russkii Obraz.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Despite the title of your article, subtleties apparently escape you. The so-called neo-nazi Azov Battalion was founded as a volunteer militia by Andriy Biletsky, a known Judenhasser as a volunteer militia to defend Mariopol against Russian backed separatist forces. After its successful defense of the city the militia was incorporated into the Ukrainian National Guard as a regiment. Today it is composed of primarily of Russian speaking Greeks, Jews and Crimeans. Supporting Russia&#8217;s fiction of a &#8220;neo-nazi&#8221; battlalion is unintentionally or intentionally parrot Putin&#8217;s propaganda and  legitimizes the Russian invasion of the sovereign nation of.Ukraine.<br />
 Since you brought up neo-nazis let&#8217;s be sure to not exclude Putin&#8217;s neo-nazi tool of &#8220;managed nationalism&#8221;, Russkii Obraz.</p>
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		By: Wayne Costigan		</title>
		<link>https://off-guardian.org/2022/05/15/the-subtleties-of-anti-russia-leftist-rhetoric/#comment-508914</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wayne Costigan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2022 02:26:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[To understand Chomsky, and others of his tribe, one has to read the Best Book written in the past fifty years: THE CULTURE OF CRITIQUE, by Prof. Kevin MacDonald! You will thank me.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To understand Chomsky, and others of his tribe, one has to read the Best Book written in the past fifty years: THE CULTURE OF CRITIQUE, by Prof. Kevin MacDonald! You will thank me.</p>
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		By: E x		</title>
		<link>https://off-guardian.org/2022/05/15/the-subtleties-of-anti-russia-leftist-rhetoric/#comment-508290</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[E x]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 May 2022 19:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Please refrain from labelling the neo-liberal agenda of the finance capitalist elite, as &quot;left,&quot; there is nothing &quot;left&quot; about it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please refrain from labelling the neo-liberal agenda of the finance capitalist elite, as &#8220;left,&#8221; there is nothing &#8220;left&#8221; about it.</p>
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		By: el Gallinazo		</title>
		<link>https://off-guardian.org/2022/05/15/the-subtleties-of-anti-russia-leftist-rhetoric/#comment-508106</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[el Gallinazo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 May 2022 17:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[While I admired Chomsky during the Vietnam war (I am a geezer), his strong support for the Official 17 Boxcutter Arabs of 911 fame for me was an immediate giveaway that he was a wolf in sheep&#039;s clothing, a Zionist fascist masquerading as a anti-imperialist champion of liberty.  While I was a chemistry major, physics minor in college, I am quite sure that Chomsky&#039;s mastery of those subjects surpasses my own, and it is the most obvious giveaway, while far from the only one, of the 9-11 official bullshit, and its myriad physical science impossibilities.  Thus Chomsky&#039;s positions cannot be attributed to physical science ignorance, but fully intentional duplicity.  &lt;strong&gt;He is not to be trusted about anything&lt;/strong&gt;.  If he writes that the sky is often blue, one must research it for oneself with utmost skepticism.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I admired Chomsky during the Vietnam war (I am a geezer), his strong support for the Official 17 Boxcutter Arabs of 911 fame for me was an immediate giveaway that he was a wolf in sheep&#8217;s clothing, a Zionist fascist masquerading as a anti-imperialist champion of liberty.  While I was a chemistry major, physics minor in college, I am quite sure that Chomsky&#8217;s mastery of those subjects surpasses my own, and it is the most obvious giveaway, while far from the only one, of the 9-11 official bullshit, and its myriad physical science impossibilities.  Thus Chomsky&#8217;s positions cannot be attributed to physical science ignorance, but fully intentional duplicity.  <strong>He is not to be trusted about anything</strong>.  If he writes that the sky is often blue, one must research it for oneself with utmost skepticism.</p>
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		By: Robin Ashe-Roy		</title>
		<link>https://off-guardian.org/2022/05/15/the-subtleties-of-anti-russia-leftist-rhetoric/#comment-508074</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robin Ashe-Roy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 May 2022 13:00:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There is a trend throughout everything to conflate politicised belief systems with fractal patterns within nature. The whole of philosophical history is adorned with inconsistencies that fail to interrelate differing dimensions of argument. Chomsky and Hedges are far from alone in this frailty.

It is for others such as Edward Curtin to expose this so-called monopoly of truth which upsets paid-up members of the religious elite. There is no logic without dissent and the calling out when awareness of calumny is out of sight.

In the world we live in there are more and more who glue labels to themselves or have them bestowed, and to which they are even proud to be illogical in the myths of their creation. One example very recently was the fact that Ukrainian anarchists are fighting against the Russian invaders - so when did anarchists begin to defend the State, Government or political ideology of their chosen country? Fighting authority does not mean opting for the lesser evil if there is one.
A lot that has been said by Chomsky and Hedges I do agree with but not in this context.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a trend throughout everything to conflate politicised belief systems with fractal patterns within nature. The whole of philosophical history is adorned with inconsistencies that fail to interrelate differing dimensions of argument. Chomsky and Hedges are far from alone in this frailty.</p>
<p>It is for others such as Edward Curtin to expose this so-called monopoly of truth which upsets paid-up members of the religious elite. There is no logic without dissent and the calling out when awareness of calumny is out of sight.</p>
<p>In the world we live in there are more and more who glue labels to themselves or have them bestowed, and to which they are even proud to be illogical in the myths of their creation. One example very recently was the fact that Ukrainian anarchists are fighting against the Russian invaders &#8211; so when did anarchists begin to defend the State, Government or political ideology of their chosen country? Fighting authority does not mean opting for the lesser evil if there is one.<br />
A lot that has been said by Chomsky and Hedges I do agree with but not in this context.</p>
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