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		By: Mac		</title>
		<link>https://off-guardian.org/2023/01/24/a-hard-edged-rock-waging-economic-warfare-on-humanity/#comment-680841</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mac]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Aug 2024 19:08:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://off-guardian.org/2023/01/24/a-hard-edged-rock-waging-economic-warfare-on-humanity/#comment-573574&quot;&gt;mgeo&lt;/a&gt;.

“Capitalists . . . Can never have enough” is a blinkered viewpoint. The reality is most of humanity can never have enough regardless of any label applied. The old phrase that “the love of money is the root of all evil” is a mistranslation. The original said “avarice is the root of all evil” &#038; avarice is “an insatiable lust for more”. It’s not specific to money. E.g. Hollywood wants more fame. Politicians want more influence. Corrupt free market controllers (like Fink) want more money, &#038; old school communists want more power. (New wave ones want more money &#038; power like seen in China)
The problem is greed, narcissism, lust for more, &#038; it’s global.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://off-guardian.org/2023/01/24/a-hard-edged-rock-waging-economic-warfare-on-humanity/#comment-573574">mgeo</a>.</p>
<p>“Capitalists . . . Can never have enough” is a blinkered viewpoint. The reality is most of humanity can never have enough regardless of any label applied. The old phrase that “the love of money is the root of all evil” is a mistranslation. The original said “avarice is the root of all evil” &amp; avarice is “an insatiable lust for more”. It’s not specific to money. E.g. Hollywood wants more fame. Politicians want more influence. Corrupt free market controllers (like Fink) want more money, &amp; old school communists want more power. (New wave ones want more money &amp; power like seen in China)<br />
The problem is greed, narcissism, lust for more, &amp; it’s global.</p>
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		By: Louis Gatto		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Louis Gatto]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2023 22:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Destroy the village (and or Country) to save it... These &quot;people&quot; are ghouls, feeding always on the dead and dying. The name FINK is apropos.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Destroy the village (and or Country) to save it&#8230; These &#8220;people&#8221; are ghouls, feeding always on the dead and dying. The name FINK is apropos.</p>
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		By: Wally Jasper		</title>
		<link>https://off-guardian.org/2023/01/24/a-hard-edged-rock-waging-economic-warfare-on-humanity/#comment-575359</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wally Jasper]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2023 16:54:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://off-guardian.org/2023/01/24/a-hard-edged-rock-waging-economic-warfare-on-humanity/#comment-573552&quot;&gt;MattC&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;&lt;span&gt;Surely the hallmark of a Ponzi scheme?&quot; Which precisely and succinctly defines capitalism.&lt;/span&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://off-guardian.org/2023/01/24/a-hard-edged-rock-waging-economic-warfare-on-humanity/#comment-573552">MattC</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;<span>Surely the hallmark of a Ponzi scheme?&#8221; Which precisely and succinctly defines capitalism.</span></p>
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		By: Lizzyh7		</title>
		<link>https://off-guardian.org/2023/01/24/a-hard-edged-rock-waging-economic-warfare-on-humanity/#comment-574076</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lizzyh7]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2023 21:14:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://off-guardian.org/2023/01/24/a-hard-edged-rock-waging-economic-warfare-on-humanity/#comment-573427&quot;&gt;George Mc&lt;/a&gt;.

Willian has to re-write it in the most simplistic terms as it&#039;s fairly obvious he&#039;s not read one thing about it not written by himself.  Hell, he&#039;s probably a WEF shill himself - keep the focus on the US, when it finally collapses, and it will, then all will be right with the world under a NWO.  It almost writes itself.  As bad as the whole Democrat/Republican thing and makes as much sense as that old tired garbage.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://off-guardian.org/2023/01/24/a-hard-edged-rock-waging-economic-warfare-on-humanity/#comment-573427">George Mc</a>.</p>
<p>Willian has to re-write it in the most simplistic terms as it&#8217;s fairly obvious he&#8217;s not read one thing about it not written by himself.  Hell, he&#8217;s probably a WEF shill himself &#8211; keep the focus on the US, when it finally collapses, and it will, then all will be right with the world under a NWO.  It almost writes itself.  As bad as the whole Democrat/Republican thing and makes as much sense as that old tired garbage.</p>
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		By: Ananda		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ananda]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2023 21:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://off-guardian.org/2023/01/24/a-hard-edged-rock-waging-economic-warfare-on-humanity/#comment-573964&quot;&gt;Bee&lt;/a&gt;.

100&#039;s of new farmers markets/outlet selling good quality food and veg and meat..
You lot on the coast line when I visited the U.K got it really good.]]></description>
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<p>100&#8217;s of new farmers markets/outlet selling good quality food and veg and meat..<br />
You lot on the coast line when I visited the U.K got it really good.</p>
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		By: The Coming Revolution		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Coming Revolution]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2023 19:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://off-guardian.org/2023/01/24/a-hard-edged-rock-waging-economic-warfare-on-humanity/#comment-573502&quot;&gt;Placental_Mammal&lt;/a&gt;.

Also Marx voted for Free Trade against Protectionism (see Engels&#039; Preface to &quot;On The Question of Free Trade&quot;, 1888); also before him, Hegel celebrated the rise and conquests of Napoleon Bonaparte with all that it meant, and the idea of the State, and so on.

To grasp the idea behind these seemingly odd positions of Marx, Engels, Hegel and other thinkers, we have to know their conception of world events as being the temporary but necessary stages in the real movement of History, a mouvement which, according to this conception, is rational (not arbitrary) and thus always tending towards the realisation of a certain principle, which Hegel called &#039;Geist&#039; or Spirit: it is a state that impersonally desires to manifest itself fully and that desire moves History, even if this tendency cannot be clearly suggested at the particular stages of the movement, being immature stages, just like the butterfly is not suggested in the caterpillar. When in 1847 Marx voted for Free Trade against Protectionism, it wasn&#039;t because he believed free market as the best way of making business, but because in his understanding, free market, Capital at last freed from its national shackles and necessarily going to substitute the dying Protectionism - the sooner the better - will itself be necessarily substituted by something else, and so he understood Free Trade as just a stage to be overcome, within the general movement of Capital towards its demise, and the sooner and the freer a certain stage evolves, the sooner and the easier it morphes into the next stage and the sooner Capital comes to exhaustion.

Also, if industrialised France hadn&#039;t colonised backward Algeria, some other industrialised nation would have as Capital always looks for foreign markets when it exhausts the local ones (&quot;The real is rational and the rational is real&quot; ~ Hegel) Today colonialism in the classical sense has long ago run its course and replaced by a subtler way of economic dependency. Ditto for slavery.

Does the above mean that those who espouse this conception of History justify the violence, genocides, wars and misery that accompany its advance? The answer is No IMO, and it is not difficult to prove it: take us discussing the wars, conflicts and all sorts of hardships that are going on all over the world (just like Marx, Engels and other were discussing social and political events taking place in their time); though no one of us justifies the violence going on, at a certain point of the discussion, we feel the need to understand the genesis of this violence which is evidently taking place and we venture predictions; we find that understanding fundamental to avoid future violence; we put violence itself in second place without justifying it, and start making theories about what it means, what is the gist (Geist) of it and how it comes about. That&#039;s what Marx and his friends did, and in their study found that violence is so overwhelmingly present throughout centuries, committed under all political regimes and in all latitudes that its source can&#039;t be human endeavour but the mode of production we live under, that is the way we live as humans, which forces us to act according to a rationale that can and does end in violence. When Engels rejoices in the French conquest of Algeria, he is not supporting colonialism and the violence it implies; he is rejoicing that French Capital has expanded at that earlier stage - it shall expand anyway - rather than at an advanced one in which the destructive power of the military industrial complex and other means of coercion would have been more devastating to human life and would have caused more misery. Today, we see that colonialism was indeed a temporary stage in the march of History.

If one wants to appreciate what it means for the movement of Capital to be stuck at an early stage where there is only light industry, a rudimentary one, and in which there even subsist pockets of feudalism one has only to look to Latin America. In many of its countries, policies were such that the crises that accompany the advance of Capital from one stage to the next and which did occur in Europe for instance, were prevented very early by mounting organised workers against not very successful capitalists at a time the rate of exploitation wasn&#039;t high enough to arouse discontent like it happened in Europe. Thus, Capital in Latin America couldn&#039;t accumulate so much as to create heavy industry to feed and expand light industry. Today, Latin America is mainly a primary-export economy, with a rudimentary local industry which can&#039;t create enough or will paid jobs and with high rates of poverty, a stage some industrialised countries of Europe had gone through in the 19th-20th century and overcome since.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://off-guardian.org/2023/01/24/a-hard-edged-rock-waging-economic-warfare-on-humanity/#comment-573502">Placental_Mammal</a>.</p>
<p>Also Marx voted for Free Trade against Protectionism (see Engels&#8217; Preface to &#8220;On The Question of Free Trade&#8221;, 1888); also before him, Hegel celebrated the rise and conquests of Napoleon Bonaparte with all that it meant, and the idea of the State, and so on.</p>
<p>To grasp the idea behind these seemingly odd positions of Marx, Engels, Hegel and other thinkers, we have to know their conception of world events as being the temporary but necessary stages in the real movement of History, a mouvement which, according to this conception, is rational (not arbitrary) and thus always tending towards the realisation of a certain principle, which Hegel called &#8216;Geist&#8217; or Spirit: it is a state that impersonally desires to manifest itself fully and that desire moves History, even if this tendency cannot be clearly suggested at the particular stages of the movement, being immature stages, just like the butterfly is not suggested in the caterpillar. When in 1847 Marx voted for Free Trade against Protectionism, it wasn&#8217;t because he believed free market as the best way of making business, but because in his understanding, free market, Capital at last freed from its national shackles and necessarily going to substitute the dying Protectionism &#8211; the sooner the better &#8211; will itself be necessarily substituted by something else, and so he understood Free Trade as just a stage to be overcome, within the general movement of Capital towards its demise, and the sooner and the freer a certain stage evolves, the sooner and the easier it morphes into the next stage and the sooner Capital comes to exhaustion.</p>
<p>Also, if industrialised France hadn&#8217;t colonised backward Algeria, some other industrialised nation would have as Capital always looks for foreign markets when it exhausts the local ones (&#8220;The real is rational and the rational is real&#8221; ~ Hegel) Today colonialism in the classical sense has long ago run its course and replaced by a subtler way of economic dependency. Ditto for slavery.</p>
<p>Does the above mean that those who espouse this conception of History justify the violence, genocides, wars and misery that accompany its advance? The answer is No IMO, and it is not difficult to prove it: take us discussing the wars, conflicts and all sorts of hardships that are going on all over the world (just like Marx, Engels and other were discussing social and political events taking place in their time); though no one of us justifies the violence going on, at a certain point of the discussion, we feel the need to understand the genesis of this violence which is evidently taking place and we venture predictions; we find that understanding fundamental to avoid future violence; we put violence itself in second place without justifying it, and start making theories about what it means, what is the gist (Geist) of it and how it comes about. That&#8217;s what Marx and his friends did, and in their study found that violence is so overwhelmingly present throughout centuries, committed under all political regimes and in all latitudes that its source can&#8217;t be human endeavour but the mode of production we live under, that is the way we live as humans, which forces us to act according to a rationale that can and does end in violence. When Engels rejoices in the French conquest of Algeria, he is not supporting colonialism and the violence it implies; he is rejoicing that French Capital has expanded at that earlier stage &#8211; it shall expand anyway &#8211; rather than at an advanced one in which the destructive power of the military industrial complex and other means of coercion would have been more devastating to human life and would have caused more misery. Today, we see that colonialism was indeed a temporary stage in the march of History.</p>
<p>If one wants to appreciate what it means for the movement of Capital to be stuck at an early stage where there is only light industry, a rudimentary one, and in which there even subsist pockets of feudalism one has only to look to Latin America. In many of its countries, policies were such that the crises that accompany the advance of Capital from one stage to the next and which did occur in Europe for instance, were prevented very early by mounting organised workers against not very successful capitalists at a time the rate of exploitation wasn&#8217;t high enough to arouse discontent like it happened in Europe. Thus, Capital in Latin America couldn&#8217;t accumulate so much as to create heavy industry to feed and expand light industry. Today, Latin America is mainly a primary-export economy, with a rudimentary local industry which can&#8217;t create enough or will paid jobs and with high rates of poverty, a stage some industrialised countries of Europe had gone through in the 19th-20th century and overcome since.</p>
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		By: Bee		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2023 13:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[63 year old ramble............My parents were olde worlde &#039;market gardeners&#039;...when the UK joined the EEC (European Economic Community) they were nearing retirement so, thankfully, their livelihood wasn&#039;t snatched from them by the &#039;corrupt big boys!&#039;  Today - they wouldn&#039;t be able to exist as&#039;market gardeners!&#039;  Hampshire Growers was where they took their produce to &#039;market.&#039;  It doesn&#039;t exist today.  It was a tough life but I look back on my childhood diet of fresh grown produce, wild rabbit, pigeon, the odd pheasant along with fish caught in the Solent by my dad in his little 8 foot boat, a blessing and a privelidge! So what if our toilet was outside - so what if there was ice on inside of my windows in winter - so what if I had to toil alongside them in the field when I got back from school - so what?  The lessons learned were tough but made me resiliant, resourceful, independent etc.  It pains me to see what is happening in the world and how people are so frigging blinkered &#038; needy &#038; easily led down a treacherous path!  Mind your step....or as mum n dad used to say &quot;mind how you go....&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>63 year old ramble&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;My parents were olde worlde &#8216;market gardeners&#8217;&#8230;when the UK joined the EEC (European Economic Community) they were nearing retirement so, thankfully, their livelihood wasn&#8217;t snatched from them by the &#8216;corrupt big boys!&#8217;  Today &#8211; they wouldn&#8217;t be able to exist as&#8217;market gardeners!&#8217;  Hampshire Growers was where they took their produce to &#8216;market.&#8217;  It doesn&#8217;t exist today.  It was a tough life but I look back on my childhood diet of fresh grown produce, wild rabbit, pigeon, the odd pheasant along with fish caught in the Solent by my dad in his little 8 foot boat, a blessing and a privelidge! So what if our toilet was outside &#8211; so what if there was ice on inside of my windows in winter &#8211; so what if I had to toil alongside them in the field when I got back from school &#8211; so what?  The lessons learned were tough but made me resiliant, resourceful, independent etc.  It pains me to see what is happening in the world and how people are so frigging blinkered &amp; needy &amp; easily led down a treacherous path!  Mind your step&#8230;.or as mum n dad used to say &#8220;mind how you go&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
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		By: eman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[eman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2023 09:30:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://off-guardian.org/2023/01/24/a-hard-edged-rock-waging-economic-warfare-on-humanity/#comment-573491&quot;&gt;Junious Ricardo Stanton&lt;/a&gt;.

All monopoly power is originally contained within the nation state (&#060;=which itself is a NHO_non human organization). Privatization of those monopoly powers begins when  the first NHOs(corporations, NGOs, partnerships and trusts) are chartered by the original NHO(the nation state) into separately controlled entities with persons in charge that are not elected.  The Nation State system divides all humanity into 256 nation states(&#060;=each nation state operates as a crucible designed to homogenize the governed humans trapped within the nation state). Every human in the world is trapped in one or more of the nation states. 
If we think NHO first, then focus on the immediate topic a more clear picture of the NHO system energies.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://off-guardian.org/2023/01/24/a-hard-edged-rock-waging-economic-warfare-on-humanity/#comment-573491">Junious Ricardo Stanton</a>.</p>
<p>All monopoly power is originally contained within the nation state (&lt;=which itself is a NHO_non human organization). Privatization of those monopoly powers begins when  the first NHOs(corporations, NGOs, partnerships and trusts) are chartered by the original NHO(the nation state) into separately controlled entities with persons in charge that are not elected.  The Nation State system divides all humanity into 256 nation states(&lt;=each nation state operates as a crucible designed to homogenize the governed humans trapped within the nation state). Every human in the world is trapped in one or more of the nation states.<br />
If we think NHO first, then focus on the immediate topic a more clear picture of the NHO system energies.</p>
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		By: eman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[eman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2023 09:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://off-guardian.org/2023/01/24/a-hard-edged-rock-waging-economic-warfare-on-humanity/#comment-573487&quot;&gt;Veri Tas&lt;/a&gt;.

organize.. our own media outlets first, then not comply.. maybe]]></description>
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<p>organize.. our own media outlets first, then not comply.. maybe</p>
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