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		By: SeverelyRegarded		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2023 15:21:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://off-guardian.org/2023/08/27/the-hike-that-killed-five-schoolboys/#comment-625908&quot;&gt;eliger&lt;/a&gt;.

https://off-guardian.org/2023/04/28/watch-covid-vaccines-and-all-cause-mortality/#comment-598711]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://off-guardian.org/2023/08/27/the-hike-that-killed-five-schoolboys/#comment-625908">eliger</a>.</p>
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		By: Hemlockfen		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hemlockfen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2023 12:52:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://off-guardian.org/2023/08/27/the-hike-that-killed-five-schoolboys/#comment-625731&quot;&gt;John&lt;/a&gt;.

I don&#039;t believe the story, I guess.  Too much suspension of disbelief was required to get through it.  The absence of parents demanding justice was part of it.  The ignorance.  The stupidity.  The impossibility.  Trudging through waist deep snow with bare skin for 5 minutes without water would be enough to kill you.  So no, It is fiction as far as I am concerned.  They must have been eating snow.  Sweating profusely from the hard labor would have accelerated the process of hypothermia. And if they ate the snow.....  The extreme exhaustion.  I have personally experienced, as a boy,  what it is like to trudge through deep snow on flat ground in winter clothing.  Only a few minutes into the event you are sweating profusely and totally exhausted to the point where you start looking around to see if anyone is within earshot in case you can&#039;t make it.  My take.  My experience.  Something is missing.  Or it is total fabrication.  So, no, I am not feeling it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://off-guardian.org/2023/08/27/the-hike-that-killed-five-schoolboys/#comment-625731">John</a>.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t believe the story, I guess.  Too much suspension of disbelief was required to get through it.  The absence of parents demanding justice was part of it.  The ignorance.  The stupidity.  The impossibility.  Trudging through waist deep snow with bare skin for 5 minutes without water would be enough to kill you.  So no, It is fiction as far as I am concerned.  They must have been eating snow.  Sweating profusely from the hard labor would have accelerated the process of hypothermia. And if they ate the snow&#8230;..  The extreme exhaustion.  I have personally experienced, as a boy,  what it is like to trudge through deep snow on flat ground in winter clothing.  Only a few minutes into the event you are sweating profusely and totally exhausted to the point where you start looking around to see if anyone is within earshot in case you can&#8217;t make it.  My take.  My experience.  Something is missing.  Or it is total fabrication.  So, no, I am not feeling it.</p>
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		By: Lost in a dark wood		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lost in a dark wood]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2023 05:34:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://off-guardian.org/2023/08/27/the-hike-that-killed-five-schoolboys/#comment-625698&quot;&gt;Lost in a dark wood&lt;/a&gt;.

Wikipedia doesn’t have a page for “Disaster Capitalism”. Instead, it redirects to The Shock Doctrine. Consequently, it apparently doesn’t exist as a notable phenomenon outside of Klein’s book. Also, for the Premier League and Sky TV to be recorded as a beneficiary of disaster capitalism, the connection would presumably have to be reported in a “reliable source”.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shock_Doctrine
The Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism is a 2007 book by the Canadian author and social activist Naomi Klein. In the book, Klein argues that neoliberal free market policies (as advocated by the economist Milton Friedman) have risen to prominence in some developed countries because of a deliberate strategy of &quot;shock therapy&quot;. This centers on the exploitation of national crises (disasters or upheavals) to establish controversial and questionable policies, while citizens are too distracted (emotionally and physically) to engage and develop an adequate response and resist effectively. The book advances the idea that some man-made events, such as the Iraq War, were undertaken with the intention of pushing through such unpopular policies in their wake.
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The Shock Doctrine
mcarrasco77
Sep 8, 2007
An spanish subtitled short film by Alfonso Cuaron regarding Naomi Klein&#039;s research on Disaster Capitalism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvG0gbvZ4tY]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://off-guardian.org/2023/08/27/the-hike-that-killed-five-schoolboys/#comment-625698">Lost in a dark wood</a>.</p>
<p>Wikipedia doesn’t have a page for “Disaster Capitalism”. Instead, it redirects to The Shock Doctrine. Consequently, it apparently doesn’t exist as a notable phenomenon outside of Klein’s book. Also, for the Premier League and Sky TV to be recorded as a beneficiary of disaster capitalism, the connection would presumably have to be reported in a “reliable source”.<br />
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<p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shock_Doctrine" rel="nofollow ugc">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shock_Doctrine</a><br />
The Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism is a 2007 book by the Canadian author and social activist Naomi Klein. In the book, Klein argues that neoliberal free market policies (as advocated by the economist Milton Friedman) have risen to prominence in some developed countries because of a deliberate strategy of &#8220;shock therapy&#8221;. This centers on the exploitation of national crises (disasters or upheavals) to establish controversial and questionable policies, while citizens are too distracted (emotionally and physically) to engage and develop an adequate response and resist effectively. The book advances the idea that some man-made events, such as the Iraq War, were undertaken with the intention of pushing through such unpopular policies in their wake.<br />
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<p>The Shock Doctrine<br />
mcarrasco77<br />
Sep 8, 2007<br />
An spanish subtitled short film by Alfonso Cuaron regarding Naomi Klein&#8217;s research on Disaster Capitalism.</p>
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		By: Sophie - Admin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sophie - Admin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2023 15:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://off-guardian.org/2023/08/27/the-hike-that-killed-five-schoolboys/#comment-626119&quot;&gt;Howard&lt;/a&gt;.

You may well be correct in your summary, however the point is that by using the term &quot;&lt;strong&gt;alt-right&lt;/strong&gt;&quot; to describe some generic collective attributes you don&#039;t like you are employing a mainstream propaganda term that has no real world definition beyond being vaguely &quot;other&quot;. 

Think about it for a moment, what is either &quot;alt&quot; or &quot;right&quot; about any of the things you just described? Let&#039;s avoid such loaded and meaningless verbiage here.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://off-guardian.org/2023/08/27/the-hike-that-killed-five-schoolboys/#comment-626119">Howard</a>.</p>
<p>You may well be correct in your summary, however the point is that by using the term &#8220;<strong>alt-right</strong>&#8221; to describe some generic collective attributes you don&#8217;t like you are employing a mainstream propaganda term that has no real world definition beyond being vaguely &#8220;other&#8221;. </p>
<p>Think about it for a moment, what is either &#8220;alt&#8221; or &#8220;right&#8221; about any of the things you just described? Let&#8217;s avoid such loaded and meaningless verbiage here.</p>
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		By: Howard		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Howard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2023 15:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://off-guardian.org/2023/08/27/the-hike-that-killed-five-schoolboys/#comment-626107&quot;&gt;Sophie - Admin&lt;/a&gt;.

Perhaps you haven&#039;t read enough comments?  No matter how much data someone out of step with certain ideas regarding hoaxes might present, the downvotes tell the tale.

Conversely, no matter how little data someone in step with these ideas presents, the upvotes tell that tale.

A large portion of your readers (as represented by this forum) already KNOW everything they need to know.  They need not trouble themselves with further research.

Yet this site swoons over the concept of &quot;Critical Thinking.&quot;  I would not call a one sentence statement of what purports to be absolute fact &quot;Critical Thinking.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://off-guardian.org/2023/08/27/the-hike-that-killed-five-schoolboys/#comment-626107">Sophie &#8211; Admin</a>.</p>
<p>Perhaps you haven&#8217;t read enough comments?  No matter how much data someone out of step with certain ideas regarding hoaxes might present, the downvotes tell the tale.</p>
<p>Conversely, no matter how little data someone in step with these ideas presents, the upvotes tell that tale.</p>
<p>A large portion of your readers (as represented by this forum) already KNOW everything they need to know.  They need not trouble themselves with further research.</p>
<p>Yet this site swoons over the concept of &#8220;Critical Thinking.&#8221;  I would not call a one sentence statement of what purports to be absolute fact &#8220;Critical Thinking.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Howard		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Howard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2023 14:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Some good did come of this tragedy - at least as far as TPTB would have been concerned.

Five dead meant twelve survivors.  Twelve strong, ultra-healthy young men who could be put to very good use in the name of God, King, and Country as soldiers to help fight yet another glorious war.

And Mr. Keast truly was a hero given the only scenario that matters to the ruling aristocracy: he produced twelve outstanding soldiers to help fight the good fight in the upcoming &quot;good&quot; war.

And really, isn&#039;t proving one&#039;s mettle the only worthwhile reason to be among the living?

So, as they say, All&#039;s Well That Ends Well!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some good did come of this tragedy &#8211; at least as far as TPTB would have been concerned.</p>
<p>Five dead meant twelve survivors.  Twelve strong, ultra-healthy young men who could be put to very good use in the name of God, King, and Country as soldiers to help fight yet another glorious war.</p>
<p>And Mr. Keast truly was a hero given the only scenario that matters to the ruling aristocracy: he produced twelve outstanding soldiers to help fight the good fight in the upcoming &#8220;good&#8221; war.</p>
<p>And really, isn&#8217;t proving one&#8217;s mettle the only worthwhile reason to be among the living?</p>
<p>So, as they say, All&#8217;s Well That Ends Well!</p>
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		By: Sophie - Admin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sophie - Admin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2023 12:46:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://off-guardian.org/2023/08/27/the-hike-that-killed-five-schoolboys/#comment-626105&quot;&gt;Howard&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;Alt-right&quot; is just a mainstream media designation for literally any opinion, group, website, video game, social movement &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt; approved by the Establishment. It&#039;s a meaningless propaganda term. Why on earth would you be using it on this site?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://off-guardian.org/2023/08/27/the-hike-that-killed-five-schoolboys/#comment-626105">Howard</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;Alt-right&#8221; is just a mainstream media designation for literally any opinion, group, website, video game, social movement <em>not</em> approved by the Establishment. It&#8217;s a meaningless propaganda term. Why on earth would you be using it on this site?</p>
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		By: Howard		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Howard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2023 12:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://off-guardian.org/2023/08/27/the-hike-that-killed-five-schoolboys/#comment-625693&quot;&gt;Sophie - Admin&lt;/a&gt;.

One thing stands out about Alt-Right ideology: Everything that isn&#039;t part of that ideology is automatically a hoax.  Since Moneycircus introduced Bigfoot into the discussion, it seemed an appropriate hook on which to make the point about the absurd cult thinking of the Alt-Right.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://off-guardian.org/2023/08/27/the-hike-that-killed-five-schoolboys/#comment-625693">Sophie &#8211; Admin</a>.</p>
<p>One thing stands out about Alt-Right ideology: Everything that isn&#8217;t part of that ideology is automatically a hoax.  Since Moneycircus introduced Bigfoot into the discussion, it seemed an appropriate hook on which to make the point about the absurd cult thinking of the Alt-Right.</p>
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		By: Hemlockfen		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hemlockfen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Aug 2023 12:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://off-guardian.org/2023/08/27/the-hike-that-killed-five-schoolboys/#comment-625908&quot;&gt;eliger&lt;/a&gt;.

Projections from VAERS data should fill in that mind gap for you.  VAERS (Co-managed by the FDA and CDC) reporting was shut down this week.  Imagine that.  Fifty thousand actual reports of deaths by clot shot.  By their own statistics, VAERS only captures about 1% of the actual adverse events.  Move the decimal 2 places to the right and what do you get?  Basic math.  And 50K stands on its own.  Typically, only 50 deaths from a new vaccine would force a review and the withdrawl of the new vaccine.  30 million is likely a conservative estimate.  The real question is this:  Why are we still questioning how deadly the vaccines are?  It would make sense if you were one of those developing the next phase of mRNA clot shots.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://off-guardian.org/2023/08/27/the-hike-that-killed-five-schoolboys/#comment-625908">eliger</a>.</p>
<p>Projections from VAERS data should fill in that mind gap for you.  VAERS (Co-managed by the FDA and CDC) reporting was shut down this week.  Imagine that.  Fifty thousand actual reports of deaths by clot shot.  By their own statistics, VAERS only captures about 1% of the actual adverse events.  Move the decimal 2 places to the right and what do you get?  Basic math.  And 50K stands on its own.  Typically, only 50 deaths from a new vaccine would force a review and the withdrawl of the new vaccine.  30 million is likely a conservative estimate.  The real question is this:  Why are we still questioning how deadly the vaccines are?  It would make sense if you were one of those developing the next phase of mRNA clot shots.</p>
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