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		By: Paul		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2019 11:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://off-guardian.org/2019/02/19/labour-splitters-getting-the-bland-back-together/#comment-70500&quot;&gt;Jay-Q&lt;/a&gt;.

It’s a fantastic clip. I sent it off to friends etc and was surprised to receive very enthusiastic responses from two people who a day earlier would have said Galloway is mad. The main reaction was to his description of Corbyn’s anti-racism. And I love his hats. Labour needs people like George to spell it out.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://off-guardian.org/2019/02/19/labour-splitters-getting-the-bland-back-together/#comment-70500">Jay-Q</a>.</p>
<p>It’s a fantastic clip. I sent it off to friends etc and was surprised to receive very enthusiastic responses from two people who a day earlier would have said Galloway is mad. The main reaction was to his description of Corbyn’s anti-racism. And I love his hats. Labour needs people like George to spell it out.</p>
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		By: Paul		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2019 11:22:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://off-guardian.org/2019/02/19/labour-splitters-getting-the-bland-back-together/#comment-70521&quot;&gt;g&lt;/a&gt;.

A binding vote? No wonder Leavers see this as fraud. Happily it is delusional; imagine THIS Parliament voting a majority for a 2nd ref and unanimity over the question let alone making it binding  - even on a 51% vote? It’s the old fashioned cloud cuckoo land.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://off-guardian.org/2019/02/19/labour-splitters-getting-the-bland-back-together/#comment-70521">g</a>.</p>
<p>A binding vote? No wonder Leavers see this as fraud. Happily it is delusional; imagine THIS Parliament voting a majority for a 2nd ref and unanimity over the question let alone making it binding  &#8211; even on a 51% vote? It’s the old fashioned cloud cuckoo land.</p>
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		By: g		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2019 11:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://off-guardian.org/2019/02/19/labour-splitters-getting-the-bland-back-together/#comment-70511&quot;&gt;Paul&lt;/a&gt;.

I think the idea is that the 2nd ref would be binding. So a win for remain would involve a party with leave in it&#039;s manifesto winning the following election. This is one of the reasons Nigel has started his Brexit party.

The fact is, Brexit is not going anywhere with or without the &quot;People&#039;s vote&quot;. These people are totally deluded.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://off-guardian.org/2019/02/19/labour-splitters-getting-the-bland-back-together/#comment-70511">Paul</a>.</p>
<p>I think the idea is that the 2nd ref would be binding. So a win for remain would involve a party with leave in it&#8217;s manifesto winning the following election. This is one of the reasons Nigel has started his Brexit party.</p>
<p>The fact is, Brexit is not going anywhere with or without the &#8220;People&#8217;s vote&#8221;. These people are totally deluded.</p>
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		By: DomesticExtremist		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DomesticExtremist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2019 07:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://off-guardian.org/2019/02/19/labour-splitters-getting-the-bland-back-together/#comment-70474&quot;&gt;harry stotle&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Yes, it seems May’s policy simply reflects the fact the tories do not posses a single MP who would ever stray over the antisemitism line&lt;/blockquote&gt;
They know what side their bread is buttered. Tories are always unfailingly loyal to their owners and donors.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://off-guardian.org/2019/02/19/labour-splitters-getting-the-bland-back-together/#comment-70474">harry stotle</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>Yes, it seems May’s policy simply reflects the fact the tories do not posses a single MP who would ever stray over the antisemitism line</p></blockquote>
<p>They know what side their bread is buttered. Tories are always unfailingly loyal to their owners and donors.</p>
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		By: harry stotle		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[harry stotle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2019 01:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://off-guardian.org/2019/02/19/labour-splitters-getting-the-bland-back-together/#comment-70500&quot;&gt;Jay-Q&lt;/a&gt;.

Cuts to the chase - Corbyn is not an antisemite, Bergers rage is confected, and the MSM are not, and never have been the servants of truth.

Galloway in.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://off-guardian.org/2019/02/19/labour-splitters-getting-the-bland-back-together/#comment-70500">Jay-Q</a>.</p>
<p>Cuts to the chase &#8211; Corbyn is not an antisemite, Bergers rage is confected, and the MSM are not, and never have been the servants of truth.</p>
<p>Galloway in.</p>
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		By: harry stotle		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[harry stotle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2019 00:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://off-guardian.org/2019/02/19/labour-splitters-getting-the-bland-back-together/#comment-70502&quot;&gt;bevin&lt;/a&gt;.

The (lack of) calibre amongst the defectors is telling.

In not a single case is the trecherous MP anything more than a Blairite apologist happy to drone on about the horrors of antisemitism (and other identity politics bullshit) while being hopelessly equipped to tackle the structual forms of oppression that have led to social divisions and gross inequality characterising our current dystopia - to put the icing on the cake they are all pro-war, anti-Russian and in thrall to the corporate pupprtmasters who really control Britain.

The obvious question is why did they join Labour in the first place (quick answer; because Blair was more of a neoliberal than the opposition) and secondly why has the Labour movement put up with them for so long (a harder question to answer)

So if Labour are Arsenal then the defectors are a squad of Mesut Özils costing the club a fortune while adding almost nothing to the team - quite simply we are well rid of them.

Unfortunately the damage limitation exercise orchestrated by Tom Watson doesn&#039;t bode well for the future

What should be seen as a blessing in disguise, because in theory there is now an opportunity to replace the outgoing imposters (who don&#039;t really give a shit about social injustice) with actual socialists has turned into a damp squib as the MSM has a field day stirring up its audiences base instincts most who are already conditioned to fear any kind of  threat to neocon hegenomy. 

To be fair the Guardian has played a blinder recasting a fall in living standards as a disturbing, existential threat to Israel or the Washington concensus, a thorny problem best left to the political wisdom of Chuka, and Luciana rather than the IRA sympathisers or neoMarxists Jeremy Corbyn loves to associate with.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://off-guardian.org/2019/02/19/labour-splitters-getting-the-bland-back-together/#comment-70502">bevin</a>.</p>
<p>The (lack of) calibre amongst the defectors is telling.</p>
<p>In not a single case is the trecherous MP anything more than a Blairite apologist happy to drone on about the horrors of antisemitism (and other identity politics bullshit) while being hopelessly equipped to tackle the structual forms of oppression that have led to social divisions and gross inequality characterising our current dystopia &#8211; to put the icing on the cake they are all pro-war, anti-Russian and in thrall to the corporate pupprtmasters who really control Britain.</p>
<p>The obvious question is why did they join Labour in the first place (quick answer; because Blair was more of a neoliberal than the opposition) and secondly why has the Labour movement put up with them for so long (a harder question to answer)</p>
<p>So if Labour are Arsenal then the defectors are a squad of Mesut Özils costing the club a fortune while adding almost nothing to the team &#8211; quite simply we are well rid of them.</p>
<p>Unfortunately the damage limitation exercise orchestrated by Tom Watson doesn&#8217;t bode well for the future</p>
<p>What should be seen as a blessing in disguise, because in theory there is now an opportunity to replace the outgoing imposters (who don&#8217;t really give a shit about social injustice) with actual socialists has turned into a damp squib as the MSM has a field day stirring up its audiences base instincts most who are already conditioned to fear any kind of  threat to neocon hegenomy. </p>
<p>To be fair the Guardian has played a blinder recasting a fall in living standards as a disturbing, existential threat to Israel or the Washington concensus, a thorny problem best left to the political wisdom of Chuka, and Luciana rather than the IRA sympathisers or neoMarxists Jeremy Corbyn loves to associate with.</p>
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		By: bevin		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2019 23:58:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The shocking news from Skwawkbox is that lifelong socialist and friend of the poor Ian Austin is going to leave the party that gave him a home when nobody else was daft enough to. 
Added to the earlier rumour that Jess Phillips, the AOC of the West Midlands, is also thinking of withdrawing her support from the Labour Party, this suggests that  everything is going just as expected. Now all it needs is for Max Mosley to release Tom Watson from his personal service contract we&#039;d be up to 12 Judases.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The shocking news from Skwawkbox is that lifelong socialist and friend of the poor Ian Austin is going to leave the party that gave him a home when nobody else was daft enough to.<br />
Added to the earlier rumour that Jess Phillips, the AOC of the West Midlands, is also thinking of withdrawing her support from the Labour Party, this suggests that  everything is going just as expected. Now all it needs is for Max Mosley to release Tom Watson from his personal service contract we&#8217;d be up to 12 Judases.</p>
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		By: Paul		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2019 23:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://off-guardian.org/2019/02/19/labour-splitters-getting-the-bland-back-together/#comment-70514&quot;&gt;mark&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes, Swastika graffiti is Step 2 in Juvenile progress, after a cock and balls. All over the world!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://off-guardian.org/2019/02/19/labour-splitters-getting-the-bland-back-together/#comment-70514">mark</a>.</p>
<p>Yes, Swastika graffiti is Step 2 in Juvenile progress, after a cock and balls. All over the world!</p>
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		By: jdseanjd		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jdseanjd]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2019 22:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://off-guardian.org/2019/02/19/labour-splitters-getting-the-bland-back-together/#comment-70454&quot;&gt;vexarb&lt;/a&gt;.

Vexarb, you are right: climate change is real, &#038; constant. &quot;For about 4.5 billion years&quot; as Buzz Aldrin correctly said. The climate is always changing. The only constant in climate is change.

The real questions are:
1) Is CO2 a climate driver, or is it just plant food, with a negligible climate effect.
2) Is man&#039;s contribution to Earth&#039;s CO2 a significant portion.

From my reading over the last few years, CO2 is NOT a main climate driver, &#038; NOT a main part of the greenhouse effect. Water, H2O, invisible as vapour, or visible as clouds is 95%+ of the greenhouse effect.
The fraud factory UN IPCC ignores water. Its Charter directs it to concentrate only on man-made causes of climate change, or global warming, as the fraud was originally called before warming stopped.

CO2 is less than 4% of the greenhouse effect, which is quite widely theorised to hold Earth&#039;s temperature 33DegC higher than if they were absent.

Man&#039;s contribution to Earth&#039;s CO2 is about 3.4%.

I&#039;ll leave you to do the maths.

John Doran.

PS: Pro does NOT mean honest.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://off-guardian.org/2019/02/19/labour-splitters-getting-the-bland-back-together/#comment-70454">vexarb</a>.</p>
<p>Vexarb, you are right: climate change is real, &amp; constant. &#8220;For about 4.5 billion years&#8221; as Buzz Aldrin correctly said. The climate is always changing. The only constant in climate is change.</p>
<p>The real questions are:<br />
1) Is CO2 a climate driver, or is it just plant food, with a negligible climate effect.<br />
2) Is man&#8217;s contribution to Earth&#8217;s CO2 a significant portion.</p>
<p>From my reading over the last few years, CO2 is NOT a main climate driver, &amp; NOT a main part of the greenhouse effect. Water, H2O, invisible as vapour, or visible as clouds is 95%+ of the greenhouse effect.<br />
The fraud factory UN IPCC ignores water. Its Charter directs it to concentrate only on man-made causes of climate change, or global warming, as the fraud was originally called before warming stopped.</p>
<p>CO2 is less than 4% of the greenhouse effect, which is quite widely theorised to hold Earth&#8217;s temperature 33DegC higher than if they were absent.</p>
<p>Man&#8217;s contribution to Earth&#8217;s CO2 is about 3.4%.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll leave you to do the maths.</p>
<p>John Doran.</p>
<p>PS: Pro does NOT mean honest.</p>
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