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		By: bevin		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Dec 2019 00:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://off-guardian.org/2019/11/29/member-of-ukraines-parliament-leaks-trove-of-biden-financial-records/#comment-104400&quot;&gt;Eric Zuesse&lt;/a&gt;.

I think we speak different languages: my view is that FDR saved American Capitalism. That is not a particularly original view and it is by no means certain that he did: what would have happened without the New Deal is something we shall never know. Can never know.
 I am certainly not &#039;alleging&#039; that FDR betrayed the public interest by doing what he never pretended not to be doing and preserving a system that he believed was, on the whole. a good one.  The man was a Roosevelt!
In my view it is not in the interest of the public to preserve capitalism but then FDR was neither a socialist nor did he pretend to be one. 
  
Why was Huey Long shot though?  Does your interests in assassinations extend to that case?]]></description>
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<p>I think we speak different languages: my view is that FDR saved American Capitalism. That is not a particularly original view and it is by no means certain that he did: what would have happened without the New Deal is something we shall never know. Can never know.<br />
 I am certainly not &#8216;alleging&#8217; that FDR betrayed the public interest by doing what he never pretended not to be doing and preserving a system that he believed was, on the whole. a good one.  The man was a Roosevelt!<br />
In my view it is not in the interest of the public to preserve capitalism but then FDR was neither a socialist nor did he pretend to be one. </p>
<p>Why was Huey Long shot though?  Does your interests in assassinations extend to that case?</p>
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		By: Eric Zuesse		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric Zuesse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Dec 2019 00:07:16 +0000</pubDate>
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By &quot;he was the savior of his class,&quot; are you alleging that  he served their interests, at the expense of the public&#039;s interests?]]></description>
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<p>By &#8220;he was the savior of his class,&#8221; are you alleging that  he served their interests, at the expense of the public&#8217;s interests?</p>
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		By: bevin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bevin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Dec 2019 23:56:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://off-guardian.org/2019/11/29/member-of-ukraines-parliament-leaks-trove-of-biden-financial-records/#comment-104395&quot;&gt;Eric Zuesse&lt;/a&gt;.

As to FDR we differ. But it is not important. FDR was the saviour of his class. But then, as now according to your information, the US ruling class is not very bright. It isn&#039;t very good at conquering either. Times have changed.]]></description>
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<p>As to FDR we differ. But it is not important. FDR was the saviour of his class. But then, as now according to your information, the US ruling class is not very bright. It isn&#8217;t very good at conquering either. Times have changed.</p>
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		By: Eric Zuesse		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Dec 2019 23:37:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://off-guardian.org/2019/11/29/member-of-ukraines-parliament-leaks-trove-of-biden-financial-records/#comment-104386&quot;&gt;bevin&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;So if I understand you it is your belief that Wall St is perfectly happy with Trump or any other Republican in sight.&quot; Yes, ever since Ulysses Grant, the Republican Party has represented the aristocracy against the public. The Democratic Party, until Bill Clinton&#039;s Presidency, was conflicted between the billionaires versus the populists (left-populists, real populists, not nativists such as Trump and other right-populists). Ever since Clinton, it has been just a hypocritical version of the Republican  Party.

&quot;In this case it means backing a left wing, reformer too.&quot; No, because all of the billionaires are against left-populists, real populists, and the latter are naturally at war against any aristocracy and especially against an aristocracy of wealth such as rules the United States. If they weren&#039;t, they&#039;d be only fakes, such as right-populists are.

&quot;Wall St has to do what it did with FDR&quot; Wrong again: the aristocracy hated FDR and forced him to have Harry Truman instead of Henry Wallace as his VP in his final term so that there&#039;d be a chance for them to take over the country if FDR died, which happened. Prior to that, back in 1934, the aristocracy in 1934 organized a coup, which failed when its chosen American Fuehrer ratted them to Congress and the press hid everything. FDR was authentically a left-populist, a &quot;traitor to his class.&quot;

&quot;among all the genii on wall St making billions there are one or two with the brains of a Baruch or a Kennedy who realise that, after forty plus years of unalloyed neo-liberalism the pendulum has swung against it.&quot; I am not aware of any American (nor foreign) billionaire who isn&#039;t a fascist. Furthermore, neoliberalism / libertarianism / fascism / neoconservatism is the ideology of all billionaires that I have studied. Conquest is their obsession. For them, life is a conquest-game. Kennedy didn&#039;t know this before he became President. He, like Truman, was naive; but, unlike Truman, he was intelligent. But he figured things out too late for him to  even begin to protect himself effectively -- if that was even possible. He thought that firing Allen Dulles in November 1961 would protect the country but didn&#039;t know that it might instead cause him to be killed. Until the bullets hit him, he didn&#039;t know how bad things really were.  Truman never learned, but JFK was learning. And the more he learned, the more he loathed his father.]]></description>
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<p>&#8220;So if I understand you it is your belief that Wall St is perfectly happy with Trump or any other Republican in sight.&#8221; Yes, ever since Ulysses Grant, the Republican Party has represented the aristocracy against the public. The Democratic Party, until Bill Clinton&#8217;s Presidency, was conflicted between the billionaires versus the populists (left-populists, real populists, not nativists such as Trump and other right-populists). Ever since Clinton, it has been just a hypocritical version of the Republican  Party.</p>
<p>&#8220;In this case it means backing a left wing, reformer too.&#8221; No, because all of the billionaires are against left-populists, real populists, and the latter are naturally at war against any aristocracy and especially against an aristocracy of wealth such as rules the United States. If they weren&#8217;t, they&#8217;d be only fakes, such as right-populists are.</p>
<p>&#8220;Wall St has to do what it did with FDR&#8221; Wrong again: the aristocracy hated FDR and forced him to have Harry Truman instead of Henry Wallace as his VP in his final term so that there&#8217;d be a chance for them to take over the country if FDR died, which happened. Prior to that, back in 1934, the aristocracy in 1934 organized a coup, which failed when its chosen American Fuehrer ratted them to Congress and the press hid everything. FDR was authentically a left-populist, a &#8220;traitor to his class.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;among all the genii on wall St making billions there are one or two with the brains of a Baruch or a Kennedy who realise that, after forty plus years of unalloyed neo-liberalism the pendulum has swung against it.&#8221; I am not aware of any American (nor foreign) billionaire who isn&#8217;t a fascist. Furthermore, neoliberalism / libertarianism / fascism / neoconservatism is the ideology of all billionaires that I have studied. Conquest is their obsession. For them, life is a conquest-game. Kennedy didn&#8217;t know this before he became President. He, like Truman, was naive; but, unlike Truman, he was intelligent. But he figured things out too late for him to  even begin to protect himself effectively &#8212; if that was even possible. He thought that firing Allen Dulles in November 1961 would protect the country but didn&#8217;t know that it might instead cause him to be killed. Until the bullets hit him, he didn&#8217;t know how bad things really were.  Truman never learned, but JFK was learning. And the more he learned, the more he loathed his father.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Dec 2019 22:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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Anyone but William Jennings... Bernie, eh? 
So if I understand you it is your belief that Wall St is perfectly happy with Trump or any other Republican in sight. 
What I can&#039;t understand is why there are not people on Wall St with the brains to realise that, in order to maintain their lease in a time of crisis they have to own not just both parties-that&#039;s easy, money does it- but both sides. In this case it means backing a left wing, reformer too. 
The era when someone who looked like a change because he was black/female/gay and could thus roll up the &#039;progressive&#039; vote could be over. In the new era Wall St has to do what it did with FDR which is to go with a &#039;left&#039; capitalist with a line in reform speeches. I guess that they will need another Crash to see it, though. 
 One likes to think that, among all the genii on wall St making billions there are one or two with the brains of a Baruch or a Kennedy who realise that, after forty plus years of unalloyed neo-liberalism the pendulum has swung against it.]]></description>
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<p>Anyone but William Jennings&#8230; Bernie, eh?<br />
So if I understand you it is your belief that Wall St is perfectly happy with Trump or any other Republican in sight.<br />
What I can&#8217;t understand is why there are not people on Wall St with the brains to realise that, in order to maintain their lease in a time of crisis they have to own not just both parties-that&#8217;s easy, money does it- but both sides. In this case it means backing a left wing, reformer too.<br />
The era when someone who looked like a change because he was black/female/gay and could thus roll up the &#8216;progressive&#8217; vote could be over. In the new era Wall St has to do what it did with FDR which is to go with a &#8216;left&#8217; capitalist with a line in reform speeches. I guess that they will need another Crash to see it, though.<br />
 One likes to think that, among all the genii on wall St making billions there are one or two with the brains of a Baruch or a Kennedy who realise that, after forty plus years of unalloyed neo-liberalism the pendulum has swung against it.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Dec 2019 21:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
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I think they&#039;re doing as effective a job as can be done to beat Sanders in the primaries. http://archive.li/cNXDn indicates that Elizabeth Warren draws 23% as much money from Wall Street as does Wall Street&#039;s favorite, Buttigieg. Sanders doesn&#039;t even show up at all among Wall Street&#039;s donees. Wall Street is helping to keep Warren in the contest in order to split the progressive vote and hand the nomination to Buttigieg. Can you think of a better way for them to keep their lease on the U.S. Government? I can&#039;t.]]></description>
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<p>I think they&#8217;re doing as effective a job as can be done to beat Sanders in the primaries. <a href="http://archive.li/cNXDn" rel="nofollow ugc">http://archive.li/cNXDn</a> indicates that Elizabeth Warren draws 23% as much money from Wall Street as does Wall Street&#8217;s favorite, Buttigieg. Sanders doesn&#8217;t even show up at all among Wall Street&#8217;s donees. Wall Street is helping to keep Warren in the contest in order to split the progressive vote and hand the nomination to Buttigieg. Can you think of a better way for them to keep their lease on the U.S. Government? I can&#8217;t.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Dec 2019 21:41:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://off-guardian.org/2019/11/29/member-of-ukraines-parliament-leaks-trove-of-biden-financial-records/#comment-104370&quot;&gt;Eric Zuesse&lt;/a&gt;.

The point I was making-I don&#039;t disagree at all- is that they are not very good at picking candidates who can beat sanders in the primaries. You would expect them to come up with someone a little more credible than Buttigieg. I suspect that they have and her name is Warren. They are just clever enough to realise that their imprimatur is the kiss of death, so they maintain the illusion that they are scared of her &quot;extremism.&quot;  I think that she will make Obama look like Lenin.]]></description>
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<p>The point I was making-I don&#8217;t disagree at all- is that they are not very good at picking candidates who can beat sanders in the primaries. You would expect them to come up with someone a little more credible than Buttigieg. I suspect that they have and her name is Warren. They are just clever enough to realise that their imprimatur is the kiss of death, so they maintain the illusion that they are scared of her &#8220;extremism.&#8221;  I think that she will make Obama look like Lenin.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Dec 2019 20:55:17 +0000</pubDate>
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They&#039;re not trying to buy a corporation; they are trying to continue their leasehold on a country, the U.S., and Buttigieg is trying to continue that for them, just as Obama continued it for them, and as Trump has continued it for them. They get very nervous if they don&#039;t own both of the political Parties&#039; Presidential nominees, and the big threat to them is Bernie Sanders, who has made clear in every way that if elected President he&#039;ll yank that lease they hold. Elizabeth Warren is trying to appear to be another Bernie Sanders, while not being really that. She is a Wall Street asset that helps Wall Street keep the Sanders vote small enough to hand the nomination either to Biden or (if Biden fails as expected) to Buttigieg. So: I think that Wall Street&#039;s political donations seem quite intelligent.]]></description>
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<p>They&#8217;re not trying to buy a corporation; they are trying to continue their leasehold on a country, the U.S., and Buttigieg is trying to continue that for them, just as Obama continued it for them, and as Trump has continued it for them. They get very nervous if they don&#8217;t own both of the political Parties&#8217; Presidential nominees, and the big threat to them is Bernie Sanders, who has made clear in every way that if elected President he&#8217;ll yank that lease they hold. Elizabeth Warren is trying to appear to be another Bernie Sanders, while not being really that. She is a Wall Street asset that helps Wall Street keep the Sanders vote small enough to hand the nomination either to Biden or (if Biden fails as expected) to Buttigieg. So: I think that Wall Street&#8217;s political donations seem quite intelligent.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bevin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Dec 2019 20:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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Wall St is not choosing very wisely these days: first hillary, then Joe, now the mayor of South Bend. And he is a third choice after Kamala and Cory Booker blew up.  
Investors should get out of stocks and into real commodities like Bernie and Medicare for All.]]></description>
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<p>Wall St is not choosing very wisely these days: first hillary, then Joe, now the mayor of South Bend. And he is a third choice after Kamala and Cory Booker blew up.<br />
Investors should get out of stocks and into real commodities like Bernie and Medicare for All.</p>
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