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Waiting for the Old Bailey: Julian Assange and Britain’s Judicial Establishment

Binoy Kampmark

On September 7, Julian Assange will be facing another round of gruelling extradition proceedings, in the Old Bailey, part of a process that has become a form of gradual state-sanctioned torture.

The US Department of Justice hungers for their man. The UK prison authorities are doing little to protect his health. The end result, should it result in his death, will be justifiably described as state-sanctioned murder.

This picture was not improved upon by a prison visit from his partner, Stella Morris, accompanied by their two children. Almost six months had passed since the last meeting.

Physical distancing was practised during the twenty-minute meeting in Belmarsh Prison. Morris and Assange wore face masks and visors, a state of affairs curious given the conspicuous lack of protective wear that has been given to Assange during the pandemic. A prohibition on touching was observed.

We had to keep social distancing and Julian was told he would have to self-isolate for two weeks if he touched the children.”

Were officials being careful and considerate? Not according to Assange, who claimed it was the first time he had received a mask “because things are very different behind the doors.” Morris noted a prevailing thinness, a yellow armband to indicate prisoner status, and the fact that he was “in a lot of pain.”

What awaits Assange next month promises to be resoundingly ugly. He will have to ready himself for more pain, applied by Judge Vanessa Baraitser. Throughout her steering of proceedings, Baraitser has remained chillingly indifferent to Assange’s needs, a model of considered cruelty.

Keen followers of justicia will be crestfallen: limiting access to legal counsel by keeping him caged behind a glass screen; ignoring his health considerations in refusing emergency bail during the COVID-19 pandemic.

Her behaviour has been in keeping with that of Chief Magistrate Lady Emma Arbuthnot, who has done her precious bit to soil the citadel of British justice in previous rulings on Assange.

With a family well and truly embedded in the British intelligence and military establishment, it was alarming to even see her name allocated to the Assange case.

In February 2018, she dismissed an application by the publisher to cancel his arrest warrant for refusing to surrender for his extradition to Sweden. It did not matter that Swedish proceedings against the Australian had been discontinued, or that prosecution proceedings for breaching bail had not been commenced.

To this ruling came her cool judgment on February 13, 2018 on claims by Assange’s legal team that proceedings for failing to surrender to British authorities were disproportionate and not in the public interest. The judgment is horrendous for a few reasons, and in keeping with the intentionally harsh, and unimaginative way British courts have dealt with his case.

Arbuthnot, for one, was unmoved by the findings of the UN Human Rights Council Working Group on Arbitrary Detention. His “house arrest” and “harsh restrictions” had been proposed by Assange himself. His time in the Ecuadorean Embassy in London could have been ended by leaving “the embassy whenever he wishes”. He could use the computer facilities, eat what he wanted and see guests.

This caricature of freedom and choice was topped by her assessment that read grotesquely then, and even more appallingly now. While accepting that Assange “had expressed fears of being returned to the United States from a very early stage in the Swedish extradition proceedings”, she found little merit to them.

Sweden would not have rendered him to the United States. To have done so would have precipitated a diplomatic crisis between the UK, US and Sweden. (And how, pray, would she know?) As for whether Assange would face an extradition request to Britain, he could always:

be able to argue extraneous considerations, fair trial and conditions of detention in the United States prison system.”

Which brings us to Baraitser, who has served as an appropriately bad replacement after Arbuthnot stood aside from the case, despite refusing to admit to any perception of bias. Very little is known about Baraitser in the public domain, though the investigative outfit Declassified UK has been busy with some dedicated digging.

On February 28, 2020 it filed a Freedom of Information request with the Ministry of Justice (MOJ) seeking a list of all the cases which Baraitser had ruled upon since her appointment in 2011. Of particular interest was her record on extradition rulings.

Two months elapsed before a reply from the information officer at the HM Courts and Tribunal Service confirming that it held “some information that you have requested”. But the request was flatly turned down for not being consistent with the Constitutional Reform Act 2005.

“The judiciary is not a public body for the purposes of FOIA…and requests asking to disclose all the cases a named judge ruled on are therefore outside the scope of the FOIA.” This limitation maintained “the independence of the judiciary which also means that the government does not provide guidance or policy on how judges should operate in court.”

The information officer’s reasoning was specious, not least because the FOIA request was premised on identifying what should, in any case, be on the public record: the cases upon which a judge has seen fit to rule upon, with outcomes. This also ignored the fact that some cases involving Baraitser are actually accessible through the legal database Westlaw.

As a barrister wishing to remain anonymous explained to Declassified, “A court is a public authority for the purposes of the Human Rights Act and a judge is an officer of the court.”

A court also acted in public. “There is no default anonymity of the names of cases, unless children are involved or other certain limited circumstances, nor the judges who rule on them.”

Undeterred, Declassified persevered and found 24 extradition cases over which Baraitser presided between November 2015 and May 2019 mining Factiva and Westlaw. The results show an overly keen enthusiasm for extradition.

Of these 24 cases, Baraitser ordered the extradition of 23 of the defendants, a 96% extradition record from publicly available evidence.”

One of Baraitser’s rulings was overturned on appeal, with the appellate court attaching “considerable weight to the likely impact of extradition upon the health and wellbeing of the defendant’s wife”, who would be “left with very little support.” A scintilla of hope, perhaps, is in the offing.

Dr. Binoy Kampmark was a Commonwealth Scholar at Selwyn College, Cambridge. He lectures at RMIT University, Melbourne. Email: [email protected]

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Arby
Arby
Sep 2, 2020 11:38 PM

“during the pandemic”? Not.

J. Swift Jr
J. Swift Jr
Sep 2, 2020 2:59 PM

Assange the Unshaven should feel priviliged to have been Judged by a Lady of the Court.

It is High Time the appropriate protocols were reinstated- common people should kneel when Judged by a Lord or Lady in Court as they (Lords and Ladies) have the God-given right to Rule, and the Constitutional Monarchy of Great Britain is based upon this unalterable principle which reflects the Natural Order of things.

If the Crown and her Intelligence Services (who are by definition more Intelligent than you or me) deem it appropriate for the Realm to be in tune with the Rulings of Our Business Partners in the Colonies across the Atlantic, who are we to question?

Let us not forget after all what out glorious Justice system is based on, just as there is a rock from the Tempe Of Solomon under the Queen’s Throne, and one of our National songs is titled “Jerusalem”- this may work better than “Britannia Rule” these days!

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins
Sep 2, 2020 6:45 PM
Reply to  J. Swift Jr

Classic satire, JSj, made me chuckle in the absurdity…

der einzige
der einzige
Sep 2, 2020 10:07 AM

We all see the media, online platforms blocking or ignoring any information that violates the main covID narrative. Video is deleted, posts are blocked or not published at all, etc.

As such, I have a question for the boss of this site and other Mossange followers:

How is it possible that Mossange had the full attention of all the major media, awards, interviews, nobody blocked funding, etc. when his “revelations” were reportedly so “dangerous” to the main narrative? How was that possible? How? Fuck!

Because I have the impression that this is the case

I know that most people, even those who deal well with the problems of the highest complexity, are rarely able to accept even the simplest and most obvious truth, if it forces them to declare the falsehood of the conclusions they enjoyed presenting to their colleagues, telling others about them with pride, and from which, thread by thread, they weave the fabric of their lives.

Eddy Elgar
Eddy Elgar
Sep 2, 2020 1:51 PM
Reply to  der einzige

Spot on! Assange (and his ‘buddy’ Craig Murray) is a rat trap for whistleblowers. The police escorted Assange to the Ecuadorian embassy in August 2012 and the ‘story’ doesn’t add up as you point out.

I did find something online that claimed that Assange hadn’t been where he was supposed to be when under house arrest (who knows if that is true) and this is interesting:
https://ronaldthomaswest.com/2017/01/08/agent-assange/

Fish & Chips
Fish & Chips
Sep 2, 2020 2:46 PM
Reply to  der einzige

The reason is that the takeover of the British press has been progressive.

A decade ago the Guardian was not the same then as it is now especially in the Age Of Viner. The old guard journos and editors often did reveal many “inconvenient” truths, not just via Assange and Snowden.

The watershed moment was summer of 2013 when Guardian was raided and hard drives smashed: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/20/nsa-snowden-files-drives-destroyed-london

It’s never been the same since. All those relevations you refer to happened before that watershed.

In fact, the Guardian did an about-turn in the middle of Assange’s revelations, they went from supporting him to become one of his largest detractors, clearly an instruction from on-high had been given.

der einzige
der einzige
Sep 2, 2020 2:56 PM
Reply to  Fish & Chips

Do you want to say that before 2013, all the media Assange was in were ok? Who lied about 9/11, al-cia-da, wmd? Who instigated the wars?

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 2, 2020 7:10 AM

If certain truths were illuminated, surely they would help Julian. Unfortunately, no one at all seems to want to illuminate the truth that Chelsea Manning is an intelligence agent and the Collateral Murder video is a fake used to infiltrate Wikileaks and very few wish to illuminate the truth that this alleged pandemic is nothing of the sort but instead a Trauma-based Mind Control Psychological Operation.

https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/wikileaks-controlled-opposition.html
https://occamsrazorterrorevents.weebly.com/blog/coronavirus-hoax-jan-2020

Eddy Elgar
Eddy Elgar
Sep 2, 2020 1:52 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

The virus is real. Whether it was created by lab conditions and released or not, is another thing altogether.

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 2, 2020 4:27 PM
Reply to  Eddy Elgar

What’s your evidence?

Fish & Chips
Fish & Chips
Sep 2, 2020 2:49 PM
Reply to  Petra Liverani

Yet another psyops contribution?

Petra Liverani
Petra Liverani
Sep 2, 2020 4:26 PM
Reply to  Fish & Chips

You think there’s a limited number, Fish & Chips?

My goodness, there’s so very many more than those I refer to. It’s a global factory – don’t know how they can push out so many. So many people must be in on these things.

Nixon Scraypes
Nixon Scraypes
Sep 1, 2020 9:53 PM

The joke is that anyone believes in justice or human rights or anything from the people who dispense such definitions. Who names it owns it. You bet Jack the Ripper was totally, I mean like totally ethical in his own definition.

maxine
maxine
Sep 1, 2020 9:34 PM

Sorry, but I still don’t get what “legal” ground the US is using to extradite JA, particularly because he never committed a crime in the US (or anywhere for that matter)….Does anyone know whether he was EVER in the US?

wardropper
wardropper
Sep 2, 2020 12:52 AM
Reply to  maxine

They have no legal grounds for what they are trying to do. It’s simply enough that they don’t like you – especially if you’ve embarrassed them by doing a decent journalist’s job and publishing their corrupt, soulless, obsolete and morally bankrupt nature – as any American with a child’s grasp of the Declaration of Independence knows is his constitutional duty.
Of course it’s doubly embarrassing that it took a foreigner to do it.
If they bring back hanging, drawing and quartering just for this one man, they will justify it by saying it is necessary to make an example of him in order to discourage others who might also remember what is in that Declaration of Independence.
It goes without saying that they use that document themselves as toilet paper.
And to think that most Americans seriously believe they have elected these “representatives”…

Fish & Chips
Fish & Chips
Sep 2, 2020 2:52 PM
Reply to  maxine

They’re using espionage charges apparently. They are accusing him of aiding Manning to hack the password(s) to the systems where he obtained the data.
Probably totally a flase accusation, but when the Deep State wants someone, they’ll get them one way or another eventually.

Martin Usher
Martin Usher
Sep 1, 2020 8:12 PM

Mr. Assnge’s problem is that he’s in jail in the UK. If he was being held in China or Russia there would be daily reports on his condition and how badly he was being treated.

Right or wrong, guilty or innocent, Mr. Assange has laid bare the lie of our moral superiority.

(If anyone really doubts the double standards at work here I’ll give you Exhibit ‘A’, the reports yesterday of the foiling of the carefully laid planpro-democracy activists to escape Hong Kong by boat for Taiwan. The Iron Heel of the Communist Coast Guard grabbed them and hauled them back to an uncertain fate. In reality of the 11 on that boat 8 were on remand and three were wanted, all for various riot related offenses.)

aspnaz
aspnaz
Sep 1, 2020 11:09 PM
Reply to  Martin Usher

Just because the UK leadership has adopted thuggery does not make the other thugs less guilty. At least people know where Assange is, in China people are taken by the government, held without trial or lawyers for years and the family and friends are not notified. Again, I am not saying China is worse, in many ways China is better, but they are all thugs, preying on the weak and using the state apparatus to enforce thuggery and a contempt for the rule of law, the law that they get to write in the first place.

Martin Usher
Martin Usher
Sep 2, 2020 12:49 AM
Reply to  aspnaz

Different societies have different judicial practices. From what I know of Japan’s legal system if you get arrested you’re in roughly the same boat as the situation you describe in China. (There’s some informative videos on youTube; the general advice given to would be visitors is “If your’re thinknig of breaking the law — don’t”.)

I’m not making excuses for China but merely pointing out that how confinement is viewed is a matter of perspective. In Assange’s case we have as a society stood by and watched someone jailed in harsh conditions for an extended period who has not been convicted of a crime and yet, somehow, we feel that we have the right to loudly criticize every transgression of societies we don’t like as a blatant breach of “human rights”. (Selling that lot to ‘the people’ is a masterstroke of propaganda.)

aspnaz
aspnaz
Sep 2, 2020 2:32 AM
Reply to  Martin Usher

Your information on Japan is incorrect. Japan have a very process driven system that ensures that you have the access to a lawyer within 24 hours of being arrested. The difference between Japan and China could not be more stark, they are like chalk and cheese.

China’s legal system is much worse than Japan, less organised and more corrupt. China is, for the average offender, much worse than the UK, but the UK does stoop down to China’s level when it comes to “special” cases like Assange.

wardropper
wardropper
Sep 2, 2020 12:59 AM
Reply to  aspnaz

Probably better not to mention China at all then.
We really have far more than enough problems right at home with our own government, which will happily trade with China one week, but then the next week apply ridiculous sanctions because a Chinese diplomat implied that somebody in the US government was not all right in the head.
In such cases, when Washington wants its “allies” to collaborate in the application of sanctions, Westminster invariably complies.

paul
paul
Sep 1, 2020 6:06 PM

We shouldn’t be too harsh on Arbuthnot and Baraitser.
After all, they are just functionaries who have to please their masters, like Roland Freisler.
It’s not as though we’re living in a country with an independent judiciary and Rule of Law or something.

And it’s not as though JA has anything to fear from being extradited.
Sure, a lot of senior politicians of the Exceptional Folk have threatened to “whack the son of a bitch in the head” or otherwise have him bumped off, but they were probably just having a laugh.
You know what jokers they all are over there. They do like their little jokes.
After all, it’s not like they have a corrupt and politicised justice system used for intimidation and persecution, lie all those Lesser Breeds in Russia, China and Iran, is it?

wardropper
wardropper
Sep 2, 2020 1:06 AM
Reply to  paul

On the contrary, we should be unprecedentedly harsh on Arbuthnot and Baraitser.
“Mere functionaries” are the worst, since they don’t even have a personal philosophy; only an addiction to obeying orders if the money is decent, or if the job makes them look important.
Nurnberg had a few “mere functionaries” to deal with too, and it probably dealt more effectively with them than with the more prominent names on display there. These two ladies can join them.

ame
ame
Sep 1, 2020 5:36 PM

Julian Assange & wikileaks made aware to normal folks the policies of there government at the time they woke up more people up than any of the so called left or right idiots on youtube selling happy prozak politics to there empty headed numpty fanbase 

Carnyx
Carnyx
Sep 1, 2020 5:00 PM

Baraitser and Arbuthnot two cheeks of the same arse. A minority at odds with the majority. Shame on them.

WE WON’T FORGET AND WE WON’T FORGIVE

paul
paul
Sep 1, 2020 6:19 PM
Reply to  Carnyx

No, no, you’re quite wrong, C.
They’re just obeying orders.

Researcher
Researcher
Sep 2, 2020 2:28 AM
Reply to  paul

Didn’t I hear that at Nuremberg?

Howard
Howard
Sep 1, 2020 4:44 PM

As dreadful as the treatment of Julian Assange is, its unbelievable rancor could only come as a surprise to those who still imagine a noble purpose of Law. All the evidence suggests, if not outright demands, the view that Law exists for one purpose only: to protect the strong against the weak.

At the end of the day, all the might the ruling class can muster has no chance of protecting them against the several billion weakest members of society. Which is why they slave away like alchemists attempting to give Law the appearance of Justice – so the mass of people will perceive it as benefiting them as well as their rulers.

Which is precisely why the ruling class must demonize whomever they undertake to crush beneath the Law. Torment a good man, recognized as such by the people, and they risk exposing the Law for what it is. Torment a bad man and the game is secure.

Eyes Open
Eyes Open
Sep 1, 2020 2:20 PM

My anger is directed towards Sweden, who willingly rolled over for the United States, like a pathetic, fawning lapdog. Only proclaiming Assange’s innocence *AFTER* he was illegally incarcerated, in a transparent and spineless attempt to present a moral facade to the world.

Another sickening spectacle were the numerous Guardian columnist trolls who delighted in ridiculing Assange’s distressed appearance.

Voz 0db
Voz 0db
Sep 1, 2020 1:55 PM

Every time I read an article about Julian I only post this…

Assange says:

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MASTEROFUNIVERSE
MASTEROFUNIVERSE
Sep 1, 2020 1:53 PM

U.S. Department of Justice is holding Assange in Belmarsh Prison merely for purposes of U.S. Presidential barter for votes pre-election 2020. If Trump’s populism fails outright he can utilize Assange and Snowden for leveraged deal making with the lefties.

Right wing authoritarian deal making with the left pre-election has to be factored into the mix when looking at Assange and Snowden’s freedom from persecution by the state.

Both Assange and Snowden are cards to be played in the deck that Trump is shuffling.

MOU

paul
paul
Sep 1, 2020 6:28 PM

It’s the so called Lefties, the woke Democrats and the massed ranks of Blairite Backstabbers, the Jess Phillipses and the hack scribblers at the Guardian, who would happily see JA burnt at the stake.

Nixon Scraypes
Nixon Scraypes
Sep 1, 2020 9:58 PM

LEFT RIGHT LEFT RIGHT LEFT RIGHT keep marching suckers!

Eddy Elgar
Eddy Elgar
Sep 2, 2020 1:56 PM
Reply to  Nixon Scraypes

Spot on! Part of Assange’s mission was to help Trump win in 2016. Remember Probelm > Reaction > Solution. Trump was the problem the establishment wanted. Ditto Brexit. Are you fed up yet? Ready to accept the solution?

wardropper
wardropper
Sep 2, 2020 1:12 AM

The “authorities” you mention haven’t the slightest interest in deals. They want Assange and Snowden dead – or at least totally invisible and forgotten – because they revealed the WW1 thinking which still controls Washington.

der einzige
der einzige
Sep 1, 2020 10:08 AM

Mossange is the same psyop as covID. Its “revelations” are worth as much as PCR tests.

Belfast Telegraph: What about covID (9/11)?
Mossange: “I’m constantly annoyed that people are distracted by false conspiracies such as covID (9/11), when all around we provide evidence of real conspiracies, for war or mass financial fraud.”
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/life/features/wanted-by-the-cia-julian-assange-wikileaks-founder-28548843.html

Julian Assange – 9/11 Investigation question

Voz 0db
Voz 0db
Sep 1, 2020 2:04 PM
Reply to  der einzige

He is correct to say that if with the present day EVIDENCE that WikiLeaks releases the HERD OF MORON SLAVES don’t give a s h i t, why waste TIME looking at the nuclear demolition of 3 steel framed buildings in the middle of WasteCIty?!

Clearly the Herd won’t care a bit.

The other day a group of citizens released a technical report about WTC7 fun event.

Did you read it?

I did… But in REALITY is does not matter because the Herd doesn’t care about that ANYMORE. Specially during a terrible fake “pandemic”!

rextier
rextier
Sep 1, 2020 2:25 PM
Reply to  Voz 0db

We should rename Stockholm syndrome to Washington Syndrome.

Howard
Howard
Sep 1, 2020 3:52 PM
Reply to  Voz 0db

Absolutely. The good citizens of America, Inc., are quite satisfied with the fairy tale version of 9/11. Which goes a long long way toward explaining why they so eagerly took to the COVID fairy tale.

They’re all Pixies at heart!

Voz 0db
Voz 0db
Sep 1, 2020 5:41 PM
Reply to  Howard

If you believe two aluminum flying objects transformed into DUST 3 STEEL FRAME BUILDINGS… hell, you believe anything the scoundrels and terrorists say to you on TV!

Howard
Howard
Sep 2, 2020 2:59 PM
Reply to  Voz 0db

The good folks of the empire would have believed it if they had been told two balsa wood toy planes had brought the buildings down and ravaged the Pentagon. Of course, the “experts” would have proven with “Science” just how it could have been done. The hit the Twin Towers at their “G Spot.”

Voz 0db
Voz 0db
Sep 3, 2020 11:58 AM
Reply to  Howard

For me personally the best one is the official fairy tale of the other plane that was able to crash near an abandoned mine in the middle of a field! That one was/is priceless!

Howard
Howard
Sep 3, 2020 3:18 PM
Reply to  Voz 0db

James Corbett has an interview with Richard Gage of Architects & Engineers for 911 Truth. It’s 38 minutes and well worth the watch even for those who have been following their work all along.

paul
paul
Sep 1, 2020 6:34 PM
Reply to  der einzige

Yes, I wish I could get myself a plum job as a controlled opposition/ double agent like JA.
They really look after you, all those nice pizzas in the Ecuador Embassy, and all the congenial company in Belmarsh.
Some people have all the luck.

der einzige
der einzige
Sep 1, 2020 8:44 PM
Reply to  paul

You can always come to Rothschild for tea. He advertised Julian as a great “hero” for the leak of a Swiss bank that helped Rothschild’s bank destroy his competitor.

DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Sep 1, 2020 9:56 AM

Always just behind the curve eh?

Do a proper investigative journalist piece on Barearshitter and the Arsebuttnoses…

Do a REAL story on their DS collegiate bum chums and the coordinated attack by twisted courts upon Assange, Salmond and Craig Murray.

I dare you to publush independent investigative journalism.

As the UK is moved towards cable news tv; as it has with it’s shock jockeys (Fartage/Mair) and fake Alt news sites (you know I’m looking at you lot)

As we are marched away from the CJEU and ECHR and into opaque WTO tribunals. As our jury trials are curtailed as our Legal Aid has been. We live in a Junta State with a puppet head of state (just like Thailand).
Where any independent political force is maligned and gauntleted to death instead of given a fair chance at the polls. Where thugs are employed to scream ‘tax payers money’ at desperate asylum seekers while AIM listed wide boys buy up shipyards and expect £billions of government money for useless ships – suddenly not tax payers money! And fishing boats because ‘BrexShit is good’.

Yeah just surfing behind the wave of disclosures is not in anyway a badge of independence but a mark of the quisling.

J’accuse.

Voxi Pop
Voxi Pop
Sep 1, 2020 9:55 AM

Thank you. My heart goes out to Assange, who took everything on.

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Moneycircus
Moneycircus
Sep 1, 2020 8:09 AM

Check your premises. There are firm limits to justice in Britain. Adjust for that and everything falls into place.

You are taking for granted that there is justice in Britain. Justice is only a means of enforcing property rights. There is no country on earth that is OWNED like Britain. Every square foot is described, measured, tagged and has a deed attached.

Justice delivers up to the owners anyone who challenges their claims to ownership. That ownership extends to your labour. Ask the miners who dared to strike under Thatcher.

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Sep 1, 2020 11:47 AM
Reply to  Moneycircus

Incorrect. No-one owned the miners’ labour, because they were never forced to work. That happens to slaves.

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Sep 1, 2020 3:07 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

I marched with the miners against Thatcher in Brighton back in 1981 or so.But even then, I never assumed they were forced to be miners by evil capitalists. The only labour which is ‘owned’ is the labour of slaves. Capitalists don’t own miners, they created the work which miners freely chose to do. Capitalists enabled miners, they never enslaved them.

Howard
Howard
Sep 1, 2020 3:59 PM

Nuance is not your strong suit, is it? If I stack 50 people in a big pen and tell them they’re free to go to any corner of the pen they like; but they must first work their way there – of course that’s not slavery. Only a pinko commie would think it is!

Simon
Simon
Sep 1, 2020 5:34 PM

Both the capitalists and miners were slaves. Their labour was owned by the money system and exchange for food, clothing, housing etc. The capitalists were the more enslaved to such a scheme. Thats why they can be so unhappy even with all their posessions. The slavery is so entrenched.

George Mc
George Mc
Sep 1, 2020 6:40 PM

Nobody “freely” chooses to work under capitalist conditions. These conditions are all around us and are what we must accept. The products of every industry under capitalism are automatically owned by the capitalists – who then allow the workers some of their produce back in the form of wages.

Barovsky
Barovsky
Sep 1, 2020 7:20 PM

You really are an idiot! No wonder the left left you, for you were clearly never a part of it in the first place! What the fuck are you doing here anyway, aside from spewing your bile?

aspnaz
aspnaz
Sep 1, 2020 11:26 PM

We are all slaves to other slaves. All the way up the management line are slaves to the system, there is no escaping the system whether CEO or tea boy. None of us asked to be born, we were put here with nothing and the system ensures that we leave with nothing. The focus on weath is mostly jealousy, the rich are not happier or more content than the poor, in fact their wealth tends to isolate them, making them less content. We all suffer the system, the quest should be to discover how to escape the system, not how to “fix” it, it can’t be fixed, it is nature.

J. Swift Jr
J. Swift Jr
Sep 2, 2020 3:28 PM
Reply to  aspnaz

Nah mate, that is not “nature”, it is a temporary violation of nature by parasites who will be wiped out by nature . And, we leave with nothing material, system or not. I agree on the rest.

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Sep 1, 2020 3:08 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

OG is not allowing my posts

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Sep 1, 2020 3:09 PM

Or is it? I wanted to point out that capitalists never ‘own’ labour. What they do is create jobs which people freely choose to do. Miners were never slaves, whose labour is indeed owned. However, socialists do take control of capitalists in order to own and redistribute the fruits of their labour.

richard
richard
Sep 1, 2020 4:04 PM

sometimes you have to refresh the page before you can see it…

richard
richard
Sep 1, 2020 4:03 PM

yeah, I can’t see this one…

Barovsky
Barovsky
Sep 1, 2020 7:21 PM

So what’s this then?

richard
richard
Sep 1, 2020 4:00 PM
Reply to  Moneycircus

No! Nabarro said :in Britain you can get the best justice money can buy!

Bohdi
Bohdi
Sep 1, 2020 6:52 AM

While i appreciate OffG shining a spotlight on the travesty of justice with regards to Julian Assange case and it certainly deserves attention, how the UK is a lackey, or conspirator with brutal US power, the real discussion should be about the information that he has uncovered.

There is a fascinating book called The wikileaks files, The world according to US Empire, with an intro by Julian Assange.

It is the study of empire through the release of 2 325 961 diplomatic cables and other US state department records. To quote Julian in his introduction to the book:

“The study of empire has long been the study of their communications.”

The book is a scholarly analysis of what the diplomatic cables say about international geopolitics.

In short, it is a summary of US war crimes and lays bare its methods and tactics.

To focus obsessively on Julian and his current predicament is to miss the point almost entirely. If anything it deflects the discussion away from where it should be.

Although written in 2015 it certainly is a useful document to help understand this Korona psyops we are currently experiencing. The economic fallout of these lockups and the further concentration of wealth, 12 US oligarchs now having $1T between them…..and counting…. the influence they (together with big pharma, Blackrock et.al.) wield and the resultant corruption of global institutions.

It makes for depressing reading but has steeled my resolve to Never, Ever buy american goods. The US is a selfish little child and its all about the money and the power it wields.

We must ruthlessly apply economic sanctions against the US and its filthy members of NATO. Tough for most of you reading this as you will be inside NATO / the 5 eyes. Your methods and tactics need to vary somewhat.

But for us in the world outside of those nefarious bodies, the choice is simple.

Sanction those mf’s.

I_left_the_left
I_left_the_left
Sep 1, 2020 11:48 AM
Reply to  Bohdi

What do you think of brutal communist Chinese power, and have you ever complained about their many hundreds of concentration camps?

bohdi
bohdi
Sep 3, 2020 9:41 AM

All i know is that china is not attacking sovereign nations anywhere that i know of.
Yankland on the other hand,…..

P R Ivy
P R Ivy
Sep 1, 2020 1:37 PM
Reply to  Bohdi

Maybe, just maybe the USA is a lackey of British power? I think there is a very good arguement about wether or not the Brits really ever left, look at US history, most of it has been sent fighting wars here, there and everywhere, how very British.

paul
paul
Sep 1, 2020 6:37 PM
Reply to  P R Ivy

Britain is America’s bitch.
And America is Israel’s bitch.

wardropper
wardropper
Sep 2, 2020 1:30 AM
Reply to  P R Ivy

It’s a nice scenario, but nobody sends Washington anywhere. It goes wherever it wants, and it simply uses a “coalition of the threatened and bribed” to try and lend respectability to its horrid aims by dragging other countries along with it.
I’ll grant you the US undoubtedly learned a lot from the British at the time of the Revolution. Plenty of dire role models there…

MASTEROFUNIVERSE
MASTEROFUNIVERSE
Sep 2, 2020 12:45 AM
Reply to  Bohdi

The entire USA and NATO MIC has been bankrupt financially since Bear Stearns was murdered and Lehman Brothers Inc. went bankrupt back in 08. The USA is well over %100% of GDP on debt financing/servicing. USD and Petrodollar supremacy died outright back in 08, and Quantitative Easing-QE Infinity only exacerbates their bankruptcy by making it appear quicker rather than slower if they were not so terribly in debt up to their eyeballs and beyond to unborn generations of eyeballs.

The USA and the Giant Vampire Squid are running on empty. If you believe their stock market valuations or any of their propped up econometrics I, for one, have an old iron bridge I would like to sell you.

USD is about to hyperinflate via the Federal Reserve printing press which Chair Powell has working in hyperdrive with no less than $9 trillion dolled out to his friends closest to the fire hose free money spigot.

How long can American pirates in the Federal Reserve keep pirating American taxpayer dollars before American taxpayers catch on to the ruse?

Taxpayers are fleeing NYC right this very day. State and municipal tax in NYC cannot maintain budgetary requirements for pension liabilities.

W.C. Fields said it best in David Copperfield.

MOU

Eric McCoo
Eric McCoo
Sep 1, 2020 5:34 AM

Assange is a total fraud. Why did it take so long for his MI6 handlers to reveal he had fathered two children while allegedly being tortured in the Ecuador embassy ? Because it might have upset his army of fanboys. We don’t even know how often he was in the embassy.

Eric McCoo
Eric McCoo
Sep 1, 2020 5:36 AM
Reply to  Eric McCoo

We know he was there to allow his deep state pals to interview his private meetings with supporters.

‘Ecuador bankrolled a multimillion-dollar spy operation to protect and support Julian Assange in its central London embassy, employing an international security company and undercover agents to monitor his visitors, embassy staff and even the British police, according to documents seen by the Guardian.

Over more than five years, Ecuador put at least $5m (£3.7m) into a secret intelligence budget that protected the WikiLeaks founder while he had visits from Nigel Farage, members of European nationalist groups and individuals linked to the Kremlin.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/15/revealed-ecuador-spent-millions-julian-assange-spy-operation-embassy-london
 

Eric McCoo
Eric McCoo
Sep 1, 2020 5:41 AM
Reply to  Eric McCoo

Please don’t tell me that The Guardian is a deep state infested publication. I know that. That it published all of Wikileaks major material and its two MI6 connect journalists (Leigh and Harding) co-wrote a book with Assange is a major red flag against him.

‘In an extract from ‘WikiLeaks: Inside Julian Assange’s war on secrecy, the Guardian’s editor-in-chief explains why Assange remains such an important figure

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2011/jan/28/wikileaks-julian-assange-alan-rusbridger

The book was written with David Leigh and Luke Harding, the very same guy who wrote the ludicrous Manafort story.
 

S Cooper
S Cooper
Sep 1, 2020 5:57 AM
Reply to  Eric McCoo

Alright then, how is this for you. The greater issue is “freedom of the press”, the right for THE PEOPLE to know and for views to be aired. One should not lose sight of that. One may want to consider Assange’s case as the “canary in the mine.”

Eric McCoo
Eric McCoo
Sep 1, 2020 6:02 AM
Reply to  S Cooper

Fair enough. That’s obviously how John Pilger sees it but I think the press is a complete waste of f* space. Worse, they are liars and con men. See Covid 19 for details

Eric McCoo
Eric McCoo
Sep 1, 2020 6:12 AM
Reply to  S Cooper

Pilger.

“Propaganda is most effective when our consent is engineered by those with a fine education – Oxford, Cambridge, Harvard, Columbia — and with careers on the BBC, the Guardian, the New York Times, the Washington Post.

These organisations are known as the liberal media. They present themselves as enlightened, progressive tribunes of the moral zeitgeist. They are anti-racist, pro-feminist and pro-LGBT.

And they love war.

While they speak up for feminism, they support rapacious wars that deny the rights of countless women, including the right to life.

http://johnpilger.com/articles/inside-the-invisible-government-war-propaganda-clinton-trump

Simon
Simon
Sep 1, 2020 6:17 PM
Reply to  Eric McCoo

Whilst they speak up for feminism they slurp on icecream produced thru the abuse of female cows.

Barovsky
Barovsky
Sep 1, 2020 7:24 PM
Reply to  Simon

????

Tom Welsh
Tom Welsh
Sep 1, 2020 9:59 AM
Reply to  S Cooper

I wouldn’t feed the troll if I were you.

“Never wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and the pig enjoys it”.

S Cooper
S Cooper
Sep 1, 2020 12:59 PM
Reply to  Tom Welsh

Consider it done.

Eric McCoo
Eric McCoo
Sep 1, 2020 5:54 AM
Reply to  Eric McCoo

‘to allow his deep state pals to record his private meetings with supporters’.

Bohdi
Bohdi
Sep 1, 2020 7:00 AM
Reply to  Eric McCoo

Red flag! Identity politics Red flag! deflects towards cult of personality.Red flag! blaming the messenger. Lets talk specifics about the US ‘diplomatic cables’.

Tony
Tony
Sep 1, 2020 7:06 AM
Reply to  Eric McCoo

Or: how to spot an Off Guardian security services shill. This one (Eric) appears to have his alarm clock set to notifications mentioning Julian Assange 😆.

Geoff S
Geoff S
Sep 1, 2020 10:07 AM
Reply to  Tony

When a guide to spotting ‘russian trolls’ said the use of the phrase ‘cui bono’ was a dead giveaway, it was rightly laughed at by anyone who retained control of their critical faculties.

Your argument seems to me about the same level: i.e. Eric is predominantly moved to comment on one topic therefore he must be operating some kind of psyop.

I could make a similar observational belief about your comment – smearing anyone who strays from the accepted narrative as a shill to discredit them is a sign of a security services shill. Do I therefore actually believe you are paid by MI5. Well no, but the argument is easily as valid as yours and probably more so.

Personally, I found Eric’s post interesting. Not sure I agree with his conclusion, but then not sure I don’t either. If you disagree with him, tackle the subject, or at least provide a more convincing demonstration of his lack of integrity. Just shouting ‘shill, don’t read’ is not a good look.

Tony
Tony
Sep 1, 2020 8:35 PM
Reply to  Geoff S

And another security services shill exposes themself. The most important job of a shill is to discredit the leaders and spokespeople of of the groupings that they view as enemies of the state. If the leading lights can be discredited in the eyes of their movement, the leaderless movement will can be disrupted until it implodes.

Thankyou for exposing yourself as a shill Geoff.

Geoff S
Geoff S
Sep 1, 2020 11:18 PM
Reply to  Tony

Firstly, I’m sorry, I had no idea you were a leader, spokesperson and leading light.

Secondly, as you seem to have redefined ‘shill’ to mean ‘anyone with a different opinion to Tony’ then I willingly admit my guilt

JudyJ
JudyJ
Sep 1, 2020 1:17 PM
Reply to  Eric McCoo

False information. It doesn’t take a mathematical genius to work out that Assange fathered both the children when he was still a respected guest at the Embassy, when his long-time good friend and outspoken ally Fidel Narvaez was Consul. This was before Rafael Correa lost the Ecuadorean Presidency to Lenin Moreno who was bought out to betray Assange. It was then that Narvaez was fired and life was made intolerable for Assange.

Tom Welsh
Tom Welsh
Sep 1, 2020 1:44 PM
Reply to  JudyJ

“… Assange fathered both the children when he was still a respected guest at the Embassy…”

That may well have been his last opportunity to father children. Otherwise, thanks to the Washington swamp and its helpers over here, his genes would have been lost to posterity.

Although nowadays I wouldn’t invest too much hope in the survival of any individual who is considered annoying by the powers that be.

Rather like living in Imperial Rome.

Eddy Elgar
Eddy Elgar
Sep 2, 2020 2:02 PM
Reply to  Eric McCoo

I’m greatly heartened by the fact that more and more people finally get it with regards to Assange.

Tony
Tony
Sep 2, 2020 7:32 PM
Reply to  Eddy Elgar

Keep making such great posts Eddy, and the brigade might just take you off the £11 an hour basic.

Eddy Elgar
Eddy Elgar
Sep 2, 2020 10:47 PM
Reply to  Tony

More likely my comments will start getting deleted.

S Cooper
S Cooper
Sep 1, 2020 4:53 AM

The sick thing is that the Cocaine Importers of America (CIA), the largest and most violent crime syndicate on the planet today, to protect its opium interests in Afghanistan, have committed numerous war crimes and crimes against humanity. Yet they persecute (and intend to prosecute) poor Julian Assange for even suggesting that they should be held accountable for their actions. Sick indeed.

Rhys Jaggar
Rhys Jaggar
Sep 1, 2020 7:07 PM
Reply to  S Cooper

When you are on Crusades of morality, common sense tends to go out the window.

If you never question your fundamental postulates, you lose your essential humanity.

The CIA lost any sense of organisational humanity decades ago….

S Cooper
S Cooper
Sep 1, 2020 9:04 PM
Reply to  Rhys Jaggar

The CIA came out of the OSS. That was a military operation/organization. By and large war is not known for its humanitarianism.

wardropper
wardropper
Sep 2, 2020 1:44 AM
Reply to  S Cooper

That popular phrase, “military thinking” is also a total oxymoron.
Only those who have a spectacular talent for switching off their thinking can hope to achieve high military renown.
Even Gen. Smedley Butler, an admirable man and a hero, admitted that he was trained to take part in dreadful things which he could not really condemn until his active service was over. But, to his credit, he certainly did speak out then.