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		By: Berlin Beerman		</title>
		<link>https://off-guardian.org/2022/02/17/ukraine-crisis-views-from-russia/#comment-485260</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Berlin Beerman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Feb 2022 19:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://off-guardian.org/2022/02/17/ukraine-crisis-views-from-russia/#comment-484224&quot;&gt;Penelope&lt;/a&gt;.

Lets no mistake the issue of gas supply to the EU from Russia. 

Russia has contracts with EU member states to supply a specific minimum of gas no matter what, this means silly little sanctions and the breast beating of unless opticians in Germany and elsewhere, but primarily Germany, who could care less if they oppress their citizens more. 

These contracts are in business terms and not subject to the political theatre going on at the moment which includes NS2. That pipe line can stay dormant a little bit longer and Russia is fine with that. The real damage would be the EU and it appears they are fine with it too. 

All this while we all pretend to give a fucking fig about Ukraine and its disturbed state of existence. Well Russia cares enough to send in peace keepers to defend break away republics that have been shelled by Ukrainian alcoholics , sorry militia. The same militia that shot down an airliner a few years back. 

And all this while the MSM spread misinformation to the misinformed. Make no mistake this whole thing has been played so far, brilliantly by Mr. Putin while he plays chess the west plays checkers and for some reason they can&#039;t seem to realize they are playing a different game.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://off-guardian.org/2022/02/17/ukraine-crisis-views-from-russia/#comment-484224">Penelope</a>.</p>
<p>Lets no mistake the issue of gas supply to the EU from Russia. </p>
<p>Russia has contracts with EU member states to supply a specific minimum of gas no matter what, this means silly little sanctions and the breast beating of unless opticians in Germany and elsewhere, but primarily Germany, who could care less if they oppress their citizens more. </p>
<p>These contracts are in business terms and not subject to the political theatre going on at the moment which includes NS2. That pipe line can stay dormant a little bit longer and Russia is fine with that. The real damage would be the EU and it appears they are fine with it too. </p>
<p>All this while we all pretend to give a fucking fig about Ukraine and its disturbed state of existence. Well Russia cares enough to send in peace keepers to defend break away republics that have been shelled by Ukrainian alcoholics , sorry militia. The same militia that shot down an airliner a few years back. </p>
<p>And all this while the MSM spread misinformation to the misinformed. Make no mistake this whole thing has been played so far, brilliantly by Mr. Putin while he plays chess the west plays checkers and for some reason they can&#8217;t seem to realize they are playing a different game.</p>
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		By: Ort		</title>
		<link>https://off-guardian.org/2022/02/17/ukraine-crisis-views-from-russia/#comment-484675</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ort]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Feb 2022 20:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://off-guardian.org/2022/02/17/ukraine-crisis-views-from-russia/#comment-484587&quot;&gt;johnny conspiranoid&lt;/a&gt;.

According to this Jan 21 article, the certification process has been suspended indefinitely:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://&#039;No new status&#039; in Nord Stream 2 certification process: German regulator&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;noopener nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;&#039;No new status&#039; in Nord Stream 2 certification process: German regulator&lt;/a&gt;

I heard somewhere-- a Duran video, I think-- that the process was expected to be completed around June of this year.&#160;

But it&#039;s fairly obvious that this is such a political football that the certification status will depend on the geopolitical climate rather than the normal technical and bureaucratic process.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://off-guardian.org/2022/02/17/ukraine-crisis-views-from-russia/#comment-484587">johnny conspiranoid</a>.</p>
<p>According to this Jan 21 article, the certification process has been suspended indefinitely:</p>
<p><a href="http://&#039;No new status&#039; in Nord Stream 2 certification process: German regulator" target="_blank" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">&#8216;No new status&#8217; in Nord Stream 2 certification process: German regulator</a></p>
<p>I heard somewhere&#8211; a Duran video, I think&#8211; that the process was expected to be completed around June of this year.&nbsp;</p>
<p>But it&#8217;s fairly obvious that this is such a political football that the certification status will depend on the geopolitical climate rather than the normal technical and bureaucratic process.</p>
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		By: Ort		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ort]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Feb 2022 20:21:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://off-guardian.org/2022/02/17/ukraine-crisis-views-from-russia/#comment-484009&quot;&gt;el Gallinazo&lt;/a&gt;.

FWIW, this movie-- &quot;Downfall&quot;, a dark drama based on a book by one of Hitler&#039;s staff-- and this very scene has been used for parodies before.&#160;Years ago, there was a hilarious version involving Hitler encountering obstacles to buying the latest iPhone at an Apple Store.

At the time, I shared the iPhone version with an expatriate relative living in Europe.&#160;He enjoyed it, but informed me that almost all of his European friends had watched &quot;Downfall&quot;, and were appalled that this movie and especially this grim scene was used for satirical comedy.&#160;

They were &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt; amused! I can understand this reaction, but at least this parody is closer to the truth.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://off-guardian.org/2022/02/17/ukraine-crisis-views-from-russia/#comment-484009">el Gallinazo</a>.</p>
<p>FWIW, this movie&#8211; &#8220;Downfall&#8221;, a dark drama based on a book by one of Hitler&#8217;s staff&#8211; and this very scene has been used for parodies before.&nbsp;Years ago, there was a hilarious version involving Hitler encountering obstacles to buying the latest iPhone at an Apple Store.</p>
<p>At the time, I shared the iPhone version with an expatriate relative living in Europe.&nbsp;He enjoyed it, but informed me that almost all of his European friends had watched &#8220;Downfall&#8221;, and were appalled that this movie and especially this grim scene was used for satirical comedy.&nbsp;</p>
<p>They were <em>not</em> amused! I can understand this reaction, but at least this parody is closer to the truth.</p>
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		By: Emily Durron		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Emily Durron]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Feb 2022 19:11:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It is well known, has been for a long time, that any country that makes it clear that it is not interested in subjugation and subservience in the US Empire will be attacked. &lt;a href=&quot;https://archive.globalpolicy.org/us-westward-expansion/26024-us-interventions.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;noopener nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;Here is an old but comprehensive list&lt;/a&gt;  Somebody else can give us a more up-to-date one. Libya and Iraq were the best recent examples for those that have not been paying attention. Iran in 1953 shows how long it has been going on.

So now we have a senile old fool in the White House, who is less compos mentis than any of his predecessors and way more out-of-it than anyone would believe. Perfect fertile ground, free rein for the real psycho extremists, those that would rather see the end of human civilisation than a world that does not entirely dance to the CIA&#039;s tune. 

What remains to be seen is whether they are aware of what &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.rt.com/op-ed/548322-war-russia-us-nato/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;noopener nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;Scott Ritter is writing about so eloquently&lt;/a&gt;, namely that the US armed forces will get their clocks cleaned in a straight fight with either Russia or China.

I don&#039;t want to tread on anyone&#039;s toes here, but the US armed forces have notably failed to win a single war since they played a side role helping out the Soviets in WWII, and the ever-louder insistence on diversity hires in the US military is unlikely to improve matters.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is well known, has been for a long time, that any country that makes it clear that it is not interested in subjugation and subservience in the US Empire will be attacked. <a href="https://archive.globalpolicy.org/us-westward-expansion/26024-us-interventions.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">Here is an old but comprehensive list</a>  Somebody else can give us a more up-to-date one. Libya and Iraq were the best recent examples for those that have not been paying attention. Iran in 1953 shows how long it has been going on.</p>
<p>So now we have a senile old fool in the White House, who is less compos mentis than any of his predecessors and way more out-of-it than anyone would believe. Perfect fertile ground, free rein for the real psycho extremists, those that would rather see the end of human civilisation than a world that does not entirely dance to the CIA&#8217;s tune. </p>
<p>What remains to be seen is whether they are aware of what <a href="https://www.rt.com/op-ed/548322-war-russia-us-nato/" target="_blank" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">Scott Ritter is writing about so eloquently</a>, namely that the US armed forces will get their clocks cleaned in a straight fight with either Russia or China.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want to tread on anyone&#8217;s toes here, but the US armed forces have notably failed to win a single war since they played a side role helping out the Soviets in WWII, and the ever-louder insistence on diversity hires in the US military is unlikely to improve matters.</p>
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		By: Riley		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Riley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Feb 2022 18:37:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://off-guardian.org/2022/02/17/ukraine-crisis-views-from-russia/#comment-484434&quot;&gt;rubberheid&lt;/a&gt;.

no worries.
things are looking pretty weird. we&#039;ll see what happens. 
be well.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://off-guardian.org/2022/02/17/ukraine-crisis-views-from-russia/#comment-484434">rubberheid</a>.</p>
<p>no worries.<br />
things are looking pretty weird. we&#8217;ll see what happens.<br />
be well.</p>
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		By: johnny conspiranoid		</title>
		<link>https://off-guardian.org/2022/02/17/ukraine-crisis-views-from-russia/#comment-484587</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[johnny conspiranoid]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Feb 2022 11:27:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://off-guardian.org/2022/02/17/ukraine-crisis-views-from-russia/#comment-484427&quot;&gt;Penelope&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;I think Nordstream2 has been waiting since Sept 2021 for certification.&quot;

How long does it take to commission a pipeline of this size?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://off-guardian.org/2022/02/17/ukraine-crisis-views-from-russia/#comment-484427">Penelope</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;I think Nordstream2 has been waiting since Sept 2021 for certification.&#8221;</p>
<p>How long does it take to commission a pipeline of this size?</p>
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		By: Sophie - Admin		</title>
		<link>https://off-guardian.org/2022/02/17/ukraine-crisis-views-from-russia/#comment-484568</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sophie - Admin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Feb 2022 09:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://off-guardian.org/2022/02/17/ukraine-crisis-views-from-russia/#comment-484560&quot;&gt;David Macilwain&lt;/a&gt;.

Doesn&#039;t that view require an update post-COVID?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://off-guardian.org/2022/02/17/ukraine-crisis-views-from-russia/#comment-484560">David Macilwain</a>.</p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t that view require an update post-COVID?</p>
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		By: David Macilwain		</title>
		<link>https://off-guardian.org/2022/02/17/ukraine-crisis-views-from-russia/#comment-484561</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Macilwain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Feb 2022 08:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://off-guardian.org/2022/02/17/ukraine-crisis-views-from-russia/#comment-484560&quot;&gt;David Macilwain&lt;/a&gt;.

I wrote not a few articles about this conflict for Russia Insider back in 2016-17. Nothing much has changed:  https://russia-insider.com/en/david-macilwain]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://off-guardian.org/2022/02/17/ukraine-crisis-views-from-russia/#comment-484560">David Macilwain</a>.</p>
<p>I wrote not a few articles about this conflict for Russia Insider back in 2016-17. Nothing much has changed:  <a href="https://russia-insider.com/en/david-macilwain" rel="nofollow ugc">https://russia-insider.com/en/david-macilwain</a></p>
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		By: David Macilwain		</title>
		<link>https://off-guardian.org/2022/02/17/ukraine-crisis-views-from-russia/#comment-484560</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Macilwain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Feb 2022 08:41:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Riley Waggaman&#039;s credentials on Russia are suspect, given strongly antagonistic views he has expressed on VVP. There are many media in Russia with varying biases - far more so than in the West, along with many dissenting but deluded &quot;pro-Western&quot; voices. It&#039;s important to realise at this critical time that what is happening is a coordinated false flag attack on Russian interests by the whole Western hemisphere, with few exceptions. The arming and training of neo-Nazi groups by UK, Canadian and US forces, who are now massed on the borders of the DNR/LNR and Crimea, is the spark that will set the whole bomb off - and already is, as these psychos cannot restrain themselves. Washington has set the agenda and playbook which Russia is obliged to follow, but the consequences for the West will be disastrous.   I think they need this because the Virus plague is almost over. Disaster economics is the only way forward.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Riley Waggaman&#8217;s credentials on Russia are suspect, given strongly antagonistic views he has expressed on VVP. There are many media in Russia with varying biases &#8211; far more so than in the West, along with many dissenting but deluded &#8220;pro-Western&#8221; voices. It&#8217;s important to realise at this critical time that what is happening is a coordinated false flag attack on Russian interests by the whole Western hemisphere, with few exceptions. The arming and training of neo-Nazi groups by UK, Canadian and US forces, who are now massed on the borders of the DNR/LNR and Crimea, is the spark that will set the whole bomb off &#8211; and already is, as these psychos cannot restrain themselves. Washington has set the agenda and playbook which Russia is obliged to follow, but the consequences for the West will be disastrous.   I think they need this because the Virus plague is almost over. Disaster economics is the only way forward.</p>
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