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		By: Tryfon Farmakakis		</title>
		<link>https://off-guardian.org/2022/04/15/democracy-is-dead-long-live-democracy/#comment-668927</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tryfon Farmakakis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 May 2024 08:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Excellent article!
Just to note here that a few years ago I wrote an article for this website on the same subject, not as thorough as Ian&#039;s, but I think it does have valuable elements to introduce in the discussion: https://off-guardian.org/2020/09/18/we-do-not-live-in-a-true-democracy/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent article!<br />
Just to note here that a few years ago I wrote an article for this website on the same subject, not as thorough as Ian&#8217;s, but I think it does have valuable elements to introduce in the discussion: <a href="https://off-guardian.org/2020/09/18/we-do-not-live-in-a-true-democracy/" rel="ugc">https://off-guardian.org/2020/09/18/we-do-not-live-in-a-true-democracy/</a></p>
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		By: Tryfon Farmakakis		</title>
		<link>https://off-guardian.org/2022/04/15/democracy-is-dead-long-live-democracy/#comment-668925</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tryfon Farmakakis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 May 2024 08:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://off-guardian.org/2022/04/15/democracy-is-dead-long-live-democracy/#comment-499791&quot;&gt;Paul Vonharnish&lt;/a&gt;.

It is called fear of freedom and the main reason is the unwillingness to assume responsibilities. It is the outcome of thorough indoctrination and rearing philosophies starting from home, while most of the destruction is achieved in school.
This is why the work of democratic schools is so important, with Summerhill and A.S. Neil&#039;s contribution to the movement being fundamental.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://off-guardian.org/2022/04/15/democracy-is-dead-long-live-democracy/#comment-499791">Paul Vonharnish</a>.</p>
<p>It is called fear of freedom and the main reason is the unwillingness to assume responsibilities. It is the outcome of thorough indoctrination and rearing philosophies starting from home, while most of the destruction is achieved in school.<br />
This is why the work of democratic schools is so important, with Summerhill and A.S. Neil&#8217;s contribution to the movement being fundamental.</p>
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		By: Jacob Jonker		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jacob Jonker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2022 12:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Briefly, for now: The comments are worth wading through. Almost all here seem to be genuinely exercised by the difficult times which appear to be threatening to spread from the trouble spots to practically everywhere. As to the essay, not to do the author down, but other than eliciting worthwhile commentary, which a piece a quarter of this essay would do just the same, if any good, I question severely the use of this kind of essay under the circumstances, except the use referred to already. As has been said, it’s utopian, not fit for the purpose required in this day and age, etc., etc. Also, I wonder why there is still so much about Greek democracy which was far from ideal, did not last, and would not last a decade if it were possible to establish it where it will not now grow.

There are some answers which few people care to seek out. This is to undertake study. Some here would claim to have studied plenty. I mean a kind of study which shows in the comments, or the essay in the first place. I mean the getting of wisdom. Without wisdom, people are lost, no matter how much they know. Maybe wisdom is not allowed. For thousands of years a wisdom tradition has been available to those who ardently sought it. Well, first one needs to realise that it is a useful thing to do. Many people have casually been acquainted with it, through Eastern philosophy, the occult and religions dissenting from the established ones. So, the answer to our travails id awareness, consciousness, or, conscious awareness. This sounds to most a trite thing to offer, in my experience, yet, few people who think about it know what it means to be consciously aware of how it works. I know this. How do I know this? I know from experience.

A few pointers for they who wish to have a go: 
Begin with The Secret Doctrine by H.P.Blavatsky. The consider that the last three thousand years have been birth pangs. So it could yet be a humane society stillborn. The Basques are possibly the remnants of Atlantis, a civilisation which also reached a high level of technical sophistication and went off the rails, very much like our own.

The key today is psychology, but that is a difficult things to handle. However, the internet is as yet wide open to scrutiny. Once that is censored effectively, people have to rely on inner study. Debate is almost of no use if people are not prepared to apply themselves in that regard. Never mind Buddhism at large, but Buddha Gautama himself had some pertinent advice. Then there are Patenjali’s Yoga Sutras. Good for years of serious study.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Briefly, for now: The comments are worth wading through. Almost all here seem to be genuinely exercised by the difficult times which appear to be threatening to spread from the trouble spots to practically everywhere. As to the essay, not to do the author down, but other than eliciting worthwhile commentary, which a piece a quarter of this essay would do just the same, if any good, I question severely the use of this kind of essay under the circumstances, except the use referred to already. As has been said, it’s utopian, not fit for the purpose required in this day and age, etc., etc. Also, I wonder why there is still so much about Greek democracy which was far from ideal, did not last, and would not last a decade if it were possible to establish it where it will not now grow.</p>
<p>There are some answers which few people care to seek out. This is to undertake study. Some here would claim to have studied plenty. I mean a kind of study which shows in the comments, or the essay in the first place. I mean the getting of wisdom. Without wisdom, people are lost, no matter how much they know. Maybe wisdom is not allowed. For thousands of years a wisdom tradition has been available to those who ardently sought it. Well, first one needs to realise that it is a useful thing to do. Many people have casually been acquainted with it, through Eastern philosophy, the occult and religions dissenting from the established ones. So, the answer to our travails id awareness, consciousness, or, conscious awareness. This sounds to most a trite thing to offer, in my experience, yet, few people who think about it know what it means to be consciously aware of how it works. I know this. How do I know this? I know from experience.</p>
<p>A few pointers for they who wish to have a go:<br />
Begin with The Secret Doctrine by H.P.Blavatsky. The consider that the last three thousand years have been birth pangs. So it could yet be a humane society stillborn. The Basques are possibly the remnants of Atlantis, a civilisation which also reached a high level of technical sophistication and went off the rails, very much like our own.</p>
<p>The key today is psychology, but that is a difficult things to handle. However, the internet is as yet wide open to scrutiny. Once that is censored effectively, people have to rely on inner study. Debate is almost of no use if people are not prepared to apply themselves in that regard. Never mind Buddhism at large, but Buddha Gautama himself had some pertinent advice. Then there are Patenjali’s Yoga Sutras. Good for years of serious study.</p>
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		By: Jax		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jax]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Apr 2022 02:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[democracy has never existed
all countries are human farms
your owners are human farmers]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>democracy has never existed<br />
all countries are human farms<br />
your owners are human farmers</p>
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		By: mari01337		</title>
		<link>https://off-guardian.org/2022/04/15/democracy-is-dead-long-live-democracy/#comment-500876</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mari01337]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Apr 2022 22:55:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;dḗmos means the settling of clans in ancient greek. It doesn&#039;t mean &quot;people&quot;. And it gives you a clue that this form of government was never devised for millions of people. &lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;It functions vertically in a village setting but it will not work on a nation level. This was already clear to thinkers as Cicero and even Aristotle. You have to be very naive to still believe that Democracy is that one god that allows no doubt, as you will be indoctrinated in school. Author should take a look at Hans-Hermann Hoppe - Democracy - The God That Failed. &lt;/em&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>dḗmos means the settling of clans in ancient greek. It doesn&#8217;t mean &#8220;people&#8221;. And it gives you a clue that this form of government was never devised for millions of people. </em></p>
<p><em>It functions vertically in a village setting but it will not work on a nation level. This was already clear to thinkers as Cicero and even Aristotle. You have to be very naive to still believe that Democracy is that one god that allows no doubt, as you will be indoctrinated in school. Author should take a look at Hans-Hermann Hoppe &#8211; Democracy &#8211; The God That Failed. </em></p>
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		By: TexasRepublic		</title>
		<link>https://off-guardian.org/2022/04/15/democracy-is-dead-long-live-democracy/#comment-500768</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TexasRepublic]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Apr 2022 13:11:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://off-guardian.org/2022/04/15/democracy-is-dead-long-live-democracy/#comment-500126&quot;&gt;Jacques&lt;/a&gt;.

I haven&#039;t looked at this site in quite a while, after consuming every word for about a year. How quickly things change. Hostile antagonistic admin jumping on people for exercising their rights. I see I&#039;m not missing anything.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://off-guardian.org/2022/04/15/democracy-is-dead-long-live-democracy/#comment-500126">Jacques</a>.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t looked at this site in quite a while, after consuming every word for about a year. How quickly things change. Hostile antagonistic admin jumping on people for exercising their rights. I see I&#8217;m not missing anything.</p>
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		By: Democracy killed Socrates		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Democracy killed Socrates]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Apr 2022 10:56:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Human rights are universal and inalienable. That means they are everywhere present and can&#039;t be altered. Human beings have human rights. Nothing else has human rights. Rights of property or property rights are not human rights. Organizations like corporations have no human rights.

Mixing human rights with any form of government is losing those rights. That is because to be governed means losing your freedom, which is one basic human right. It doesn&#039;t matter who governs you, whether it&#039;s the majority or the minority, you are being governed and under someone else&#039;s rules.

Who makes decisions for you? In democracy decisions are made by majority if democracy is direct, and by minority if democracy is representative. Either way, you don&#039;t get to decide. Either way, reason and conscience don&#039;t matter. So humanity and the individual human being don&#039;t matter. Numbers matter. But people can never be reduced to numbers.

Democracy is based on a principle of voting and the majority rule. But that is the worst kind of method to do any judgement or decision. The majority is always ignorant about any issue. The majority is easily fooled into anything. Look up Milgram experiments and see for yourself. The majority are killers and all it needs is a mere suggestion from an authority figure.

True decisions are based on reason and conscience.

Every human born is equipped with reason and conscience. We all know what is good and what is evil. Even newborn babies know that!

But when we as human beings submit to authority who lies to us, we lose our reason and conscience and our humanity.

So democracy as a majority rule is just very stupid and silly. It&#039;s also a very sure way to destruction of humanity, as can be seen and evidenced. Don&#039;t believe that big lie any more!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Human rights are universal and inalienable. That means they are everywhere present and can&#8217;t be altered. Human beings have human rights. Nothing else has human rights. Rights of property or property rights are not human rights. Organizations like corporations have no human rights.</p>
<p>Mixing human rights with any form of government is losing those rights. That is because to be governed means losing your freedom, which is one basic human right. It doesn&#8217;t matter who governs you, whether it&#8217;s the majority or the minority, you are being governed and under someone else&#8217;s rules.</p>
<p>Who makes decisions for you? In democracy decisions are made by majority if democracy is direct, and by minority if democracy is representative. Either way, you don&#8217;t get to decide. Either way, reason and conscience don&#8217;t matter. So humanity and the individual human being don&#8217;t matter. Numbers matter. But people can never be reduced to numbers.</p>
<p>Democracy is based on a principle of voting and the majority rule. But that is the worst kind of method to do any judgement or decision. The majority is always ignorant about any issue. The majority is easily fooled into anything. Look up Milgram experiments and see for yourself. The majority are killers and all it needs is a mere suggestion from an authority figure.</p>
<p>True decisions are based on reason and conscience.</p>
<p>Every human born is equipped with reason and conscience. We all know what is good and what is evil. Even newborn babies know that!</p>
<p>But when we as human beings submit to authority who lies to us, we lose our reason and conscience and our humanity.</p>
<p>So democracy as a majority rule is just very stupid and silly. It&#8217;s also a very sure way to destruction of humanity, as can be seen and evidenced. Don&#8217;t believe that big lie any more!</p>
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		By: Sovereign Citizen		</title>
		<link>https://off-guardian.org/2022/04/15/democracy-is-dead-long-live-democracy/#comment-500257</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sovereign Citizen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Apr 2022 13:11:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is an excellent article. I have some questions, would appreciate if anyone here can answer: 

&lt;span&gt;1.) What happened to the original direct democracy government the ancient Greeks set up? &lt;/span&gt;

&lt;span&gt;2.) If it&#039;s such a fantastic system why did it only last 70 odd years?&lt;/span&gt;

&lt;span&gt;3.) Why has it never been replicated and why are we the first people to consider this a suitable replacement to the oligarchy, talking about it 2500 years after its first inception? &lt;/span&gt;

&lt;span&gt;4.) If we were to replicate it, how would we ensure it lasts longer than 70 years this time?&lt;/span&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an excellent article. I have some questions, would appreciate if anyone here can answer: </p>
<p><span>1.) What happened to the original direct democracy government the ancient Greeks set up? </span></p>
<p><span>2.) If it&#8217;s such a fantastic system why did it only last 70 odd years?</span></p>
<p><span>3.) Why has it never been replicated and why are we the first people to consider this a suitable replacement to the oligarchy, talking about it 2500 years after its first inception? </span></p>
<p><span>4.) If we were to replicate it, how would we ensure it lasts longer than 70 years this time?</span></p>
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		By: Niall Warry		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Niall Warry]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Apr 2022 10:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Please contact me off The Harrogate Agenda Website as I would like to have a chat with you on our common ground about democracy.

http://harrogateagenda.org.uk/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please contact me off The Harrogate Agenda Website as I would like to have a chat with you on our common ground about democracy.</p>
<p><a href="http://harrogateagenda.org.uk/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://harrogateagenda.org.uk/</a></p>
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