The Pentagon’s B-Movie: Looking Closely at the September 2001 Attacks
An introduction Graeme MacQueen’s latest book
Edward Curtin
This new book by Graeme MacQueen (click here for a free e-copy) contains a collection of his articles and essays on the attacks of September 11, 2001, the subsequent anthrax attacks, and analyses of other false flag operations. They are profoundly important and shatter the official versions of those events.
No one reading this book can come away from it not convinced that the U.S. government is a terrorist state. MacQueen’s conclusions are not based on rhetoric but on a deep empirical analyses, facts not propaganda.
With this volume, Graeme MacQueen takes his place alongside David Ray Griffin as a prophet without honor in his own time. History will declare him a hero. To write the following introduction is a great honor, for my esteem for Graeme and his work is immense.
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Graeme MacQueen’s work is a testament to a man devoted to the search for truth and the freedom and peace that ensue from its discovery. I think it is surely not an accident that he is a Buddhist scholar and a former professor of religious and peace studies.
In this regard, he reminds me of two other inspired theologians who carry the message of love and peace into the political realm where their extraordinary writing has given great hope to those yearning for truth and justice: James W. Douglass and David Ray Griffin, the former the great JFK scholar and the latter the author of a dozen or so groundbreaking books on the events of September 11, 2001.
In this book, which is a primer on government propaganda, Graeme continues to teach how illusions must be punctured and the veil of government secrecy parted, lessons gleaned from the core of the world’s religions. That the truth will set us free is the essence of these teachings. Yet truth is a hard taskmaster and requires great courage, fortitude, and determination, which Graeme possesses in abundance, both in his person and in his writing.
Exposing the lies of the official versions of September 11, 2001, the anthrax attacks, etc. takes guts, for it causes conflict with family, friends, and authorities. It brands one a ”conspiracy theorist” who has lost his reason. In Graeme’s case this is hilarious, for you will nowhere find a writer who is less doctrinaire and who sticks more closely to evidence. In fact, I, an impetuous type, have sometimes found his approach a bit too cautious, but I have always come around to see the value in it and to trust that his conclusions are based on rigorous logic and evidence.
Sometimes a photograph can reveal a person’s soul. I think the photo of Graeme that precedes his preface, taken in 2006 when he first embarked on his writing about the official lies of September 11, 2001, truly shows his spirit. Although in his late fifties, he looks very boyish, a bit of a rake, but with the countenance of a man deeply disturbed by what he is seeing through the eidola of official propaganda. There is a trace of both sorrow and determination in his eyes. His behatted head suggests a man ready to fish for truth in the deepest depths of an ocean of lies.
As a Buddhist scholar who has long known that creative writing and speech come freely from a state of mind different from, and higher than, the normal, I think it is self-evident that his inspired writing in this book is the result of a mind clarified by the realization that the inner and outer cannot be divorced, that life and death are one, and that looking out involves looking in.
For it seems to me self-evident, that those who oppose the consensus realty of a cruel and violent social order are also trying to redeem themselves from the profound tricks the ego plays on us all, while they probe the deceptions of official propaganda. And while Graeme does not explicitly state the connections between his religious writing and research and the political analyses in this book, it is evident that his work makes manifest that “Reality” is one whole, and that the isolated individual self that separates the personal from the political has led to a badly broken world.
About a decade ago, I had the privilege of being asked to review his brilliant book, The 2001 Anthrax Deception, that forms the basis for a few of the chapters in this collection. We became great friends. And if I have yet to say anything about the content of The Pentagon’s B-Movie, it is because while it is obvious that books are written by human beings (although this is changing with AI), who those authors really are is often elided.
“Great men do not play stage tricks with the doctrines of life and death: only little men do that,” wrote John Ruskin. As a compelling exposer of official stage tricks, Graeme is great, but you would never hear it from him.
He is humble and self-deprecating in the extreme. His laugh and sense of humor is contagious, although his writing only reflects this in a sentence here or there. But I have learned that those without a sense of humor or the ability to laugh at themselves are not to be trusted. Egos block the door to truth. And even as he has battled very serious illness over recent years, Graeme’s laughter on the subject of death is to me a sign of a man pure of heart and grateful for his life in all its complexity.
The articles in this collection were written over a span of sixteen years. Divided into three sections, they intersect to form a devastating critique of multiple matters, such as the government assassinations of JFK and MLK, various false flag events, but most especially September 11, 2001 and the subsequent anthrax attacks. It is impossible to read them sequentially and not be convinced of their truths. Each in its turn, reinforces the adage that “the emperor has no clothes.” More so, by stripping away every claim of the official narratives step-by-step, we see the emperor skinless as well, a skeleton caught dead to rights with its lethal lies conclusively exposed.
In many ways, the opening chapter, “9/11: The Pentagon’s B-Movie,” a tour-de-force, serves to foreshadow many of the themes that follow, concluding with “The Triumph of the Official Narrative: How the TV Networks Hid the Twin Towers Explosive Demolition on 9/11” with co-author Ted Walter.
Graeme makes clear from the start that it is the moving images of television and film that are central to the official propaganda. This is Plato’s allegory of the cave updated where shadows on the wall are used to delude people into not seeing what obviously happened if they turned toward the light. As he writes:
This “9/11 movie” reveals itself to careful investigators as scripted, directed and produced by the U.S. national security state. The movie does not represent the real world. It violates the rules operative in the real world, including the laws of physics. Audiences will remain in thrall to the spectacle and violence of the War on Terror only as long as they remain mesmerized by the B-movie of 9/11.
But as he knows, B-movies are often popular, especially when they are of the horror genre with their ability to traumatize the viewers, even when they might suspect they are being taken for a ride. One enters a monster film with belief suspended and often leaves it forgetting it was an illusion, for the movie has penetrated deep into one’s psyche. “Only when people sense the genuine danger,” he tells us, “and leave behind fiction and special effects will they be in a position to deal with the real monster that confronts us.” This demands seeing the evil and pitiless oligarchy responsible for 9/11 as the monsters they are.
Such truth can only be distinguished from the shadows when the audience leaves the theater of the absurd, exits into the light, and snaps out of the hypnotic state. Many never do, especially because the movies are not confined to movie theaters anymore. They are integral to modern day-to-day screen life. The moving images in people’s heads often supplant reality, as Graeme makes clear:
But imagine what would happen if audiences remained convinced by the suspension of the laws of physics after they left the theatre? This, it seems to me, is what has happened with the events of September 11, 2001. Many people are still deceived by the special effects. They are still captured by the movie of 9/11.
And since the only way to exit from such horrors is mental, one often needs a wise guide. Graeme is that guide.
This book will jolt you back to reality with its concluding chapters where TV video news reports are used to show how the official narrative was quickly fashioned after initial television reports clearly showed that the buildings were blown up from within. MacQueen again [my emphasis]:
Our conclusion was that evidence-free claims, combined with repetition and a dramatic yarn, were the major mechanisms used. We also found that the evident precision and coordination demonstrate the existence of—yes, we should acknowledge it—an extremely ambitious and detailed conspiracy.
In conclusion, I would be remiss if I didn’t mention how Graeme uses the concept of imagination as a probe to understand how it can be used to manipulate images by propagandists, particularly through moving images, but also how it can be used as a first step in undermining those official narratives. In this regard his castigation of leftists — Noam Chomsky Alexander Cockburn, Chris Hedges, et al. – and leftist media for their acceptance of the official lies of the JFK assassination and September 11, is significant. These people, by their overt or covert support of the government’s propaganda, have been key cogs in its success. Graeme writes:
Indeed, much of the Western left leadership and associated media not only trusted the FBI while ignoring Furtado, Chavez, the Venezuelan National Assembly and Fidel Castro; they also, through silence and ridicule, worked to prevent serious public discussion of the 9/11 controversy.
Among the U.S. left media that kept the silence, partially or wholly, are:
Monthly Review
Common Dreams
Huffington Post
Counterpunch
The Nation
The Real News
Democracy Now!
Z Magazine
The Progressive
Mother Jones
Alternet.org
MoveOn.org
Thus all these leftists, no matter what they say in their defense, bear great moral responsibility for the so-called War on Terror, the Patriot Act, the invasion of Iraq, the deaths of Muslims, etc., all of which emanate from the insider attacks of September 11 and the subsequent anthrax attacks. With leftists like these, the CIA’s courting of “the compatible left” (a term coined by the CIA’s Cord Meyer), begun in the 1950s, has achieved its greatest success. The pacification of the liberal/left bourgeoise has been extremely successful and continues to the present day.
There is no need for me to tell you more about the material in this great book. Just read it. As an adjunct to Graeme’s fundamental book, The 2001 Anthrax Deception, this work tears off the veil of lies that has become the normative order for so many over the past few decades.
Whether this work frees many from the official lies or not, it is clear that Graeme has fulfilled his destiny to set us all free, if we so choose.
He pulls no punches and shows how September 11, 2001 and the anthrax attacks are an integrated inside job, serving to reinforce each other. You can ask no more of anyone.
He is an exemplar of a beautiful human being and a writer of profound importance.
This collection confirms that.
The Pentagon’s B-Movie: Looking Closely at the September 2001 Attacks, Graeme MacQueen, rat haus reality press, 15 March 2023
Edward Curtin is an independent writer whose work has appeared widely over many years. His website is edwardcurtin.com and his new book is Seeking Truth in a Country of Lies.
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Society is about the most virulently controlling mentally deranged individuals imposing their totalitarian will on those too ignorant or apathetic to recognise those traits.
The minority that see through them must be destroyed, even if they are family members.
Would you enjoy being Jake Sullivan’s rebellious brother?
How about seeing through John Bolton?
Imagine being born a Rockefeller and having to swallow their self-justifying claptrap from a pre-school age.
You would not be spared unless you self censored and let them continue on their destructive paths.
You would know what they were, what they could and would do. You would do nothing about it, unless you were prepared to risk your life, leave the family behind for ever and tell the world ‘my brother is a genocidal psychopath’
Nice choice to have in life, eh?
The cynical renaming of the World Trade Center locations to “Freedom Center” 3de85a1e47a3cc8f8a9a747bade85db2.jpg (618×1099) (pinimg.com)
pretty much says it all…
20th Anniversary
Yesterday was the 20th anniversary of the brutal shock and awe assault on Iraq. Sinc then the antiwar movement vanished and all the war criminals involved have prospered.
Like covid they used the exact same date. …
Anything on 9/11 that ignores the photographic evidence presented by Dr Judy Wood is pretty worthless.
The evidence points to the likelyhood that the “thermite” scenario is equally fake and that the buidings were disintegrated by some kind of microwave weapon…the huge cloud was not smoke but dust- the bulk of the materials that comprised the buildings and their contents were turned into dust before hitting the ground… there are photos that show this quite clearly, as well as photos at ground level of weird fires, molten/mangled engine blocks next to intact plastic parts, paper not burned, and much more… The people jumping out the windows were not taking off their clothes because there was a fire. They were being cooked from inside as a microwave oven cooks…
Have they used this tech since, maybe in the Middle East?
Where did the energy come from ? Judy Wood is controlled opposition whose purpose is to draw attention away from nuclear demolition – tried and proven W54 mini nukes.
Is there an audio version, on MP3 CD, of this book? If not, will there be?
Greetings Crusader Rabbit on the Vernal/Autumnal Equinox.
As stated at the top of the Contents page, “In the early stages of assembling this book, there was the thought of producing a print-on-demand edition. It was determined this prospect was not feasible at present given the large amount of video content it contains.” Beyond a print version, an audio version, mp3 on CD or otherwise, is in no way feasible in the near term. Operating on a shoe-string, we do the best we can to publish text-image-film content. Your query is appreciated and will be added in to the forever-expanding To Do list.
Some essential 9/11 links:
Christopher Bollyn
Ryan Dawson: 911 and War by Deception (bitchute.com)
A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm – Wikipedia
Ehud Barak interview, BBC, 11:29, 9/11 – YouTube
Christopher Bollyn is the best.
Ryan Dawson is a turn coat.
And it is impossible to see reality, and find truth, if nations continue in the pursuit of power – the most dangerous of illusions – for it is false: no empire has held it but for a while.
https://patternofhistory.wordpress.com/
Stop Calling The Iraq War A ‘Mistake’: Notes From The Edge Of The Narrative Matrix
“… it’s absurd to charge Putin with war crimes without charging George W Bush, it’s a completely devastating argument against the claim being made. If the law doesn’t apply to everyone, then it’s not the law, it’s just corruption. It’s a tool of the powerful.
It’s hilarious that Putin has been hit with an arrest warrant by the International Criminal Court not only on the 20th anniversary of the invasion of Iraq, but also a few days after the Pentagon intervened to stop the Biden administration from helping the ICC compile evidence of Russian war crimes because it might lead to ICC prosecution of American war crimes.”
Arresting Putin – Or Arresting All-Out Western Public Revolt?
“The charge list goes on of daily mounting anger and disgust over the collapse of the corrupt Western racket otherwise called Western capitalist democracy, otherwise known as the dictatorship of billionaires and warmongers.
Biden, Macron, von der Leyen, Stoltenberg, Trudeau, Sunak, Scholz & Co (fill in your clown’s name here) aren’t actually concerned about arresting Putin. They are shitting themselves to arrest the mounting public revolt against the Western capitalist clown show.”
Yet I still don’t see any of them actually looking as if they are shitting themselves.
Most teachers and parents know very well what infantile guilt and shame look like, and they don’t look like this der lyin’ macrostoltenbideausunak thing…
The ICC doesn’t even have the ability to arrest anyone, does it? Not without the country of the criminal signing the treaty joining the ICC. Pretty sure I just read that in the New Normal article? So you would be correct – none of them are shitting themselves as they know nothing comes of this but noise to distract the plebes.
So it’s a mere charade, as it always is. While the MSM may bleat on about the oh noes, the US might get indicted, and US hypocrisy will finally be seen by all, that’s just to keep the suspense going. It’s about as real as Russiagate, to use a golden oldie in utter fakery.
I’m not new to the whole “truth” game, but I am fed up with it, because it’s just another level of psyop. Having to selectively pick “truth” out of a sea of misinformation and disinformation is a time-consuming process, a treasure hunt, a real-life mystery novel designed to keep the masses distracted and to further divide them. Bottom line, they’re virtually all controlled opposition, they just tend different gates possessing various degrees of knowledge and ignorance with some surely unaware of their involvement.
The truth ALWAYS resides where it’s censored.
They want you to surrender, to stop searching for the truth.
You can learn something at these controlled opposition sites even if you have to limit yourself to just the comments section. You can also read their articles to exercise your discernment.
Here’s a new definition: A “Conspiracy Theorist” is what they call you if you want to know anything.
Conspiracy Theorist was a term invented by the CIA, and deployed by the FBI, as a means of squashing any dissent from the Magic Bullet narrative regarding the assassination of JFK.
We now know that the CIA killed JFK. Let that sink in.
I think it was E. Martin Schotz’s History Will Not Absolve Us in which someone says that all this blather about “Oh who knows?” and “We’ll never truly find out!” etc. is nonsense. The fact is that anyone with any intelligence at all and not blinded by the emperor’s new clothes of the media would see right away that we actually do know about these events e.g. we know that JFK and 9/11 were “inside jobs” and that the only mysteries around them lie in a few gaps re: the methods and the specific operatives involved.
Agree / disagree – I think critical mysteries remain – that is, why – the technical “gaps” are interesting but much less important. Who pulled it off and what did they hope to accomplish? And we always should assume complexity and multiplicity and not uni-hypothesis. To fight wars on behalf of Israel? – Could well be – but is that all? – Re-patriate wealth stolen from Russia in the 90s? (by wiping out almost the entire cadre of FX traders in NYC and suspending SEC rules) set up a dynamic in which mostly black and brown people (TSA) are humiliating mostly white people in the airports every day? – maybe/maybe not – point is – wide range of partners pursuing a wide range of objectives – always look for that. Plenty of wealthy people thought the WTC towers were aesthetic monstrosities and were glad when they were gone.
The towers were asbestos monstrosities. What was Lucky Larry thinking when he invested millions?
I picture a coin.
On one side it says “Conspiracy Theorist”
on the other side it says, “Antisemitism”.
Those that want to intimidate you
use that coin
often.
They are trying to “other” you.
It is a primal urge to belong and to be accepted by groups.
That is paramount for your sense of self, sense of worth, sense of identity.
When they flip that coin they are appealing to your fear of being rejected,
fear of loss of social standing. They do this by labeling you an “other”, an outsider,
even a pariah.
The coin is a con.
We need to see that coin for what it is
so that it loses power over us.
The coin actually has more than two sides.
Perhaps you can think of others.
The above described fear of rejection definitely is applicable to
the cancel culture.
‘The coin actually has more than two sides. Perhaps you can think of others.’
Trump supporter.
Here’s a not so new definition: A conspiracy theory is simply political analysis that the state doesn’t like.
“Know anything” is snappier and implies that the non-conspiracy theorists know nothing.
I have a work in progress, right now it goes like this:
Reality is a conspiracy theory.
George you made me laugh
OR…..if you want to know the TRUTH!!!
If the fireballs did not exhaust the aviation fuel such a fire could not exceed 1,800°F. The melting point of steel is 2,800°F. The steel used in the Towers was certified for 2,000°F for 3-4 hours. One Tower burned for only about 1hr before collapsing, and the other for 1.5 hr. There was no slow asymmetrical tilt to suggest weakening steel. Of the 236 samples of steel NIST examined, 233 had been heated to not more than 500°F, and the rest to not more than 1200.
– Prof James Fetzer 2013
Fetzer later became a no planer. There was of course no aviation fuel.
The architect is on record stating that the towers were designed to sustain multiple impacts from the biggest aircraft operating at the time. This has always been a requirement after a WWII B-25 hit the Empire State building in 1945.
If you haven’t already, go look at the photo’s taken after the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building was destroyed in Oklahoma. It seems lightning does strike twice.
The Murrah disaster was buried so quickly it was never seriously questioned even by most alternate sources.
Back in the days when James Corbett was second to none, he had a “Suicided” Report about an Oklahoma City policeman who was starting to make serious waves.
The deliberate killing of children would have just about toppled the government if the truth had gotten out. The Murrah disaster was potentially far more threatening to the criminal cabal running the country than 911.
The policeman was Terrance Yeakey.
Thank you. Mr. Corbett has recently dredged that Report up – I didn’t recognize the name though.
Twas 911 and men like MacQueen who woke me up. That is to say, awakened interest in the world. I am, in a certain way, grateful for 911, and in another, saddened….horrified even.
Seems the yin and the Yang are baked into creation….the Law is likely baked somewhere in there too….
God Bless 911 and hang them all…
How can you tell if someone is left or right ?
A simple guide:
Left-wingers have fantasies about the working class,
Right-wingers have fears about the working class…
The left (esp the Vanguardists) fantasise workers into The Leading Role of The Revolution…
Right-wingers shriek gut wrenching fears believing every strike is the start of The Revolution; tremble at the thought of workers breaking free of their controls (stumble about like chooks, squawking “The sky is falling ! The sky is falling !)…
That’s a nice and neat analysis.
Yeh ! ‘cept i omitted ‘beheaded’, as in ‘beheaded chooks’…
If you’ve ever beheaded a chook with an axe and chopping block you’ll get the picture…
Is there really any new information? Do we need more information to know that it was a planned criminal event, and that the cleanup was the coverup?
Does this book suggest what should, or can be, done about it?
“911, The Scamdemic, The Non-Surrection, The Ukraine Dog and Pony Show, to name but four.”
“When dealing with a gang of mass murdering war racketeering corporate fascist eugenicst oligarch mobster pyshopath criminals commiting grand theft robbery on an industrial scale and crimes against humanity, NO LIE IS TOO BIG OR TOO EXTRAORDINARY.”
“The Pyscho Nazis need to go, NOW!”
“Nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care.”
“RIP George Carlin.”
The Deep State is Transnational…They owe allegience to no country, only to the pursuit of power and control…So stop blaming the Israelis for everything ! Right now there are mothers in every country in the world raising up the next swarm of psychpaths who’ll make hell for our kids and grandkids…We’ll know The End of The World is nigh when the top psychopaths stop using the normies for cannon fodder and, instead,
nukeduke it out face to face…Israel is arguably the headquarters of the deep state.
It looks like they’re planning to arrest Trumpo The Magnificent around Tuesday over Stormy Daniels.
Unless they chicken out, it should be good fun.
Just sit back and break out the popcorn.
Man, I finally found that out from my old neighbor this weekend. I had not bothered to read just what he will be arrested for as it hardly matters, but I literally laughed out loud when I heard they’re dragging up old Stormy Daniels again. Pathetic even for their theater of the absurd.
I do hope some have some good fun watching that circus, but I simply can’t bring myself to care anymore about what these idiots do. If I did try to watch that I’d need something a hell of a lot stronger than popcorn to make it through.
I don’t go to the side-shows. I’m watching how the WHO One Health contracts are ratified without parliamentary processes around the world.
Hey Admins! I’ve been trying to post a reply to a comment in the article “Steady Burn” but it’s being held in “pending.” I even tried logging in and it still goes to pending. What’s up with this? Thanks.
ahahaha
“the CIA’s courting of “the compatible left” (a term coined by the CIA’s Cord Meyer)”.
Meyer’s wife Mary Pinchot supposedly had an affair with JFK and introduced him to LSD (although the whole thing is such a hall of mirrors who knows?). She died in extremely strange circumstances with the designated patsy getting off because he did something that hadn’t been expected (jumping in the river).
What the incident certainly shows is part of how these operations work with the area flooded with agents who then pose as eyewitnesses. It explains how, for example, the “eyewitnesses” in the Tippit killing split 50/50 whether he was killed by one man or more. The MSM always say the most reliable must therefore be the nearest – even though she says the dying Tippit spoke to her and the autopsy showed Tippit was shot through the heart and was dead before he hit the ground. The MSM’s belief in nearest eyewitnesses doesn’t extend to the shots allegedly fired at General Walker where the nearest eyewitnesses said they saw two men, neither of whom looked like Oswald, running away.
Life is a play so play on.The rich thieves are playing you.What can you do?.Play like them think it’s only you and you are the main character you can change this by thinking.
Everyone going on about putin in media and social media. Yes he’s wrong for killing but hes making his point no nato in his borders.
Daily Express:
“Cowering Putin hires hundreds of body doubles for fear of war crimes arrest.”
😂
How to spot the real one:
Spartacus (1960)
Spartacus did not survive the final battle. He was killed early on in the battle.
Possibly, though his body was apparently never found. At least according to Appian in Civil Wars:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spartacus#Third_Servile_War
Either way, the legend lives on
Thanks. Very reliable source of information … though I prefer The Sun
😂
This leads me to recall Karl Rove’s words on how reality is created for us to do no more than continually critique, and to wonder if twenty or so years from now there will be after-the-fact (long forgotten?) publications, or rather underground tracts that have escaped the thought police and ministry of truth, on the cheap porn flick, and snuff film, of the convid coup, likewise courtesy largely of the Pentagram (and whether there will be anyone left among the culled and zombified to read them).
I’ve always thought that the 9/11 attacks weren’t so much a conspiracy as an accident. Sure, the twin towers were to be attacked but I don’t think the result was intended to be quite as devastating as it was. After all, there had been a serious attempt to blow up a tower some years previously but it had failed to topple the towers due to their structural design despite the bomb doing significant damage. In order to understand these events you have to zoom out and look at the wider context — specifically the ‘oven ready’ Patriot Act and the never been satisfactorily explained anthrax attacks (the latter helping to move along the former — after all, you don’t want any legisltators actually reading what they’re signing us up for).
The actual events are now in the past. What we can learn from them is not so much the actual who did what but how they fitted an agenda — created or just bent to suit. How our media kept parroting the line about how Iran and/or Iraq were culpable (even though they quite obviously were not). Ultimately, though, what might have been a stunning propaganda coup (maybe even just a coup…) turned out to be a major step in weakening our society. Sometimes success is really failure.
We’re still at it as well. Just today there’s an article in the Guardian proper about Iraq “failing girls’ education”. Its a typical MinTruth propaganda piece because it neglects to mention that before our destruction of Iraqi society there was not only a functioning educational system but it was for everyone. Iraqi society was nominally Muslim but largely secular since the government of the time would not tolerate any challenges to its authority. Same with Afghanistan — tribal areas apart it was a normal, relatively up to date society back in the 70s before we decided that things needed to change. (…..and then there was Libya….in fact its starting to look like everything we touch turns to crap).
Sure, there is no administration in the world whose job wouldn’t get easier by giving women rights. As long as they don’t have any, it has to deal with millions of wannabe potentates.
So you’ve always thought that…?
Can’t be helped.
I have to say there’s a dickens of a lot of evidence to the contrary, but you’d have to read a book or two to know that.
Maybe McQueen’s book could help…?
Next time, don’t attach your rather good last paragraph to that fatuous “just a accident” first paragraph. Thumb down.
All those who swallowed the bushwacker bait of being a ‘conspiracy theorist’ should be ashamed of themselves. Most haven’t bothered to do one minute of research, even when the laws of physics are broken.
Most are cowards who preferred to take the gov’t kool-ade and just forget the 2000 odd people who were sent back to their deaths that day, and to the people of Iraq who paid for engineered US hate with a million lives or more.
The firemen were let into a crime scene along with everyone else it seemed. Lives were saved by these firemen who were then ignored and allowed to die an early death due to the toxins in the air. without any help from the gov’t. Even the wife’s of these firemen, sent to their doom, couldn’t shift the shysters in congress who preferred instead to do insider dealing with the money.
Anyone who still believes the official story of Sept 11th, or believes we should just move on, are failing their responsibilities to their own society. Continue to do that and there won’t be a society.
B.R.A.V.O….
If it doesn’t mention Israel it’s not worth reading.
Even if it is free.
Pro-Kremlin, Duginists blaming the US for everything are starting to bore me.
“If it doesn’t mention Israel it’s not worth reading.
Even if it is free.”
Is that correct? No mention of Israel?
Hmm…no wonder you can find it here at OffG.
How does antisemitism help resolve matters?
Criticism of Israel isn’t antisemitic. Israel is a country, not a religion. Really, that should be obvious by now, unless you think all Jewish people everywhere are in full agreement with the governing agendas of Israel the country. I for one highly doubt that is anywhere near true, but do go on about the raging antisemitism in any critique of Israeli government policies.
You didn’t get that quite right. Israel is a made-up country, not a race.
Religion is not race, and there is nothing wrong with criticising it. Unlike race, religion is a cultural option and, if it was genuine, it would not have a problem with criticism.
You could go further and point out that “semitism” technically is not a race and does not refer to the Jewish tribes exclusively, and also, as the final blow of truth, that most modern people who identify as Jews in Europe, America and Israel are really just white people.
At this point you will know how brainwashed your audience is.
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Study semitism for one hour and you’ll have your answer.
The US is Israel’s main satellite.
There’s arguably some truth to that historically, though it would require going back to the Puritans (and beyond) to spot the link
Those Puritans haven’t gone away.
Many Americans still think a shirtless man is ‘naked’, totally ignoring the fact that Adam did not have to look for anything bigger than a fig leaf in order to render himself and his partner decent…
In the UK, the least bit of Summer sunshine is the universal remedy for shame. Especially anywhere near a beach
The state of Israel is a Bolshevik satellite State of the Soviet Union – which never fell. I encourage you to be educated on these matters. It will open your eyes to the alt media decoys you’ve so long trusted in – as I once did.
The banksters created the USA, the USSR, Israel and a lot more.
Well, I was in Sevastopol in 2011 and back then the people there behaved as if the Soviet Union had not fallen. It felt like being inside a Dali painting. Very interesting experience, I think “time bubble” is the best way to describe the phenomenon.
“Pro-Kremlin” appears to be the current ‘goto’ for any critique of the government/establishment. This is a dangerous mindset.
The only ‘pro’ should be ‘pro truth’ — if the shoe fits, etc. We know for a fact that our government has systematically lied to us on more than one occasion. Its quite likely that other governments lie. However, its easy enough to discern what’s likely and what’s not and if ‘our’ government is so damn stupid to think it can get away with obvious falsehoods I’m not going to give them a pass just because someone in the Russian government — or any other government — points it out.
This is important from a purely practical perspective. We might lap up all the KoolAid that’s we’re fed but there’s large parts of the world which don’t like the taste. We’re in a battle for hearts and minds globally which ultimately isn’t going to be won by lies and intimidation.
Is it really a case of the tail wagging the dog? I’ve often wondered if perhaps it’s the other way around – that Israel is taking orders from the US rather than giving the orders.
That would make Israel the US’s scapegoat. I’m not saying that’s the case; only that it makes sense.
It makes no sense. America is the monkey, Israel is the organ grinder.
Get it right, we’re anti-Russian, lab-leak denying US apologists 🙄
Two planes hit two of Lucky Larry’s skyscrapers and three of Lucky Larry’s skyscrapers collapse.
That’s all you need to know about 9/11.
The rest of the tale rapidly degenerates into broad farce with Five Dancing Israelis and much else in a similar vein.
I think people like Chomsky and Galloway and Co. are well aware that the whole story is premium grade BS from beginning to end, but pretend otherwise simply out of cowardice. They’re just too frightened to go there.
There were no planes. Towers 1 & 2 were nuked.
Yo, bro! In fact the radiation levels in that part of Manhattan are absolutely through the roof. You should go there with a Geiger Counter and write a book about a nation that nukes its own citizens. Meanwhile, don’t bogart that joint …
First Responders
Hiroshima has been inhabited since the bombing. You conveniently gloss over the fact that first responders suffered a wide variety of ailments. In fact Geiger counters were banned from ground zero. The sub kiloton devices were inside the towers which acted as containment structures. Silverstein needed his $7 billion and was safely out of the way. How do lowly “own” citizens count ?
They didn’t want to get ‘cancelled’. so they looked after No1. These once credible figures have become talking heads and mouthpieces for hopelessly corrupt people who almost pulled off the crime of the century.
Lots of money, gov’t treasuries, and gold, went missing that day. Lot’s of incriminating evidence concerning ENRON and other pump and dumps was also destroyed that day, and is the reason why building 7 couldn’t escape the carnage.
These people are cowards or part of the coverup.
It’s the usual fatal mistake of the American elites – to believe ordinary Americans and the rest of the world are stupid. The result today is that people are more inclined to believe Putin and Xi than the American government. So much for the ‘intelligence agencies’.
Believing ANY government is stupid.
Less than a third of american’s believe their gov’t or their mainstream press. That will become obvious come next election.
I’m sorry, but it won’t.
The next election is going to be every bit as much an insider job as 9-11 and the Gore-Bush ‘election’ were.
Good point. “The next election” – lol – where have we heard that before ??
I looked at the book’s table of contents
and see no mention of the CIA/Seal raid at Abbottabad, Pakistan
and the fakery of ‘killing Bin Laden’. That act was like the
murder of Lee Harvey Oswald – trial by death. That is, no
trial, and thus, real trial-worthy evidence would became redundant.
It was a key chapter in the telling of September 11th.
After the Navy Seal raid at Abbottabad, Pakistan:
The body of so-called “Bin Laden” was immediately thrown overboard mafia-style to the bottom of the ocean.
Before we got to even see it.
Photos taken by the Navy Seals of the body were ordered destroyed or turned over to the CIA, out of reach of FOIA requests.
The helmet cameras worn by the Navy Seals were at first heralded! Hurrah !!, everyone said. But then we were told, “they never existed”.
The witnesses, the Seals, were ordered silent forever. No witnesses. Forever.
The DNA was handled by the CIA itself.
At the same time the CIA is claiming, “We got Bin Laden”, they are eliminating all evidence.
Who trusts the CIA?
The public didn’t notice the lack of evidence? – No! The destruction of evidence.
They had their eyes fixed on celebration and a media blitz.
The (destruction of) evidence said cover up. The evidence said something else was actually taking place.(Recall that the debris of the 9/11 towers was hastily carted away,
even though it was a crime scene)
It was a year and a half before the book “No Easy Day” was published by one of the Seals.
The Seal that got the best look at the body, took pictures of the body, collected bodily fluid samples and compared the body to pictures he had brought on the raid, said in his book that he had refused to identify the body as Bin Laden.
That Seal said on 60 Minutes that when he got back to base one CIA agent –! one !– came in and told him and General McRaven,
“you got him, it was Bin Laden”.
The CIA – one agent, one. The CIA told the Seals and General McRaven it was bin Laden.
And that one agent was the pebble that began an avalanche of media blitz.
Three years after the book release another Seal broke ranks and came out into the lime light.
His version and the first Seal’s version do not match up. But the second Seal explained it away as, “fog of war”.
The second Seal, who credited himself with shooting “Bin Laden”, said he did seven things in less than one second.
That is the total time he had to look at “bin Laden”.
Less than one second and doing multiple things. And while wearing night vision goggles.
For this he set in motion another wave of media blitz.
He said, while wearing night vision goggles, that he:
1) jumped into the doorway.
2) id’ed the figure as bin Laden
3) made sure he wasn’t going to shoot any women or children
4) raised his weapon because the figure was taller than he expected
5) noticed a weapon on a nearby shelf
6) saw that the figure appeared to be reaching for the weapon
7) put several shots into the skull of the figure
He said that all took place in less than one second and then he continued into the room and the next in his sweep.
Never stopped to look at “the mess” (his words) he had made.
There is no evidence, but there are two witnesses. One which refused to id the body as bin Laden and the other that had less than a second to make his id while wearing night vision goggles and dealing with the fog of war.
Witnesses ordered to be silent forever. Pictures destroyed. Helmet cameras “never existed”.
Body immediately thrown overboard to the bottom of the ocean mafia-style. The CIA handled the DNA.
The CIA told us all what to believe, as they were destroying all evidence.
Their claim was then echoed and multiplied a million times in the news media.
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post script
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The Israeli invasion of Lebanon (2006) was a rough carbon-copy
of September 11th. A faked security lapse that soon permitted an invasion.
Fortunately for all sides that invasion of Lebanon failed.
It proved the delusion of military superiority.
Fortunate, as the plan was to then use the pretext of UN resolution 1680 (c/o John Bolton)
passed just weeks before the ‘security lapse’ and
immediately pivot from Lebanon to attack Syria and Iran (with US and British
assistance of course).
bin laden probably just another pixel bogeyman
The real Osama bin Laden seems to have died some time in late 2001. Abbottabad was faked from end to end.
Some say 2004.
At any rate it was well before the 2011 raid by Navy Seals at Abbottabad, Pakistan.
In rereading my post I see I should have said right near the beginning, explicitly, that the real Bin Laden was not even there in Abbottabad.
The USadmin even faked Bin Laden, aka Mr Osman. It was all done in the usual sloppy fashion. Very grainy footage all of a sudden. Patsy’s writing with the wrong hand and wearing watches etc.
At the time of the Sept 11th attacks, Mr Osman was receiving dialysis at a US base in the ME, where he was interviewed by numerous western spooks.
The whole thing is a sham from start to finish and the american people have been lied to at every turn.
Another news story was that the entire Seal team had a fatal helicopter crash after a month or two.
Mossad did 911
https://odysee.com/@Commando:7/zionistmossad911-(1):e
Have you checked out the B-Thing?
Lots of Mossad posing as students had the run of the buildings for over a year as part of an ‘art project’.
These students were very handy with ropes and harnesses, apparently.
They most probably [;anted the explosives that made the plane shaped cut outs in the facade of the North Tower.
“Egos block the door to truth”
Btw., there’s a problem with the missing jolt argument: Assuming pancaking happened, the upper block would be compressed. So if you just check for the upper edge of it, it may well continue to go down fast. I mean, if pancaking is real, the way this would have gone down is: Upper block falls, gets compressed, forms a pile of steel beams lying on top of each other and accelerating ever more. Of course, when the video shows neither compression nor slowing down… But really, the pancaking will either slow down and stop or accelerate and continue, it would hardly proceed with constant speed. That’s why a raised the previous question.
Of course, there’s the additional problem of the fassade. The fassade might have detached itself and shielded the interior compression from view. You can imagine a lot, can’t you?
~50% of the mass of each Tower and its content turned into thick clouds of dust in seconds with hardly any noise, leaving only sheets of paper whole. Believers in “controlled demolition” should explain that.
Hutchinson effect? Save the males? That’s just photoshop at work.
I asked Chatgpt to explain the material being ejected from the Twin Towers over 40 stories below the point of collapse.
Chatgpt came back with the air being compressed (as suggested by popular mechanics)
When I pointed out that each room and floor would be self contained so could no be effected by compressed air.
Chatgbt apologised as it always does when you correct it. Even if your correction is not correct. It replied that there had been a investigation but that not everything was known.
When I suggested that separate explosion would count for the material being ejected from.
Chatgpt came back with the investigation had not found evidence of separate explosions.
I then tried but the material being ejected from the Twin Towers is evidence of separate explosions.
Chatgbt came back with there is much that is not known about the collapse of the twin towers.
Conclusion Chatgpt does not have much logic ability. It only repeats the official position on everything. When cornered into logical contradiction it will revert to the answer is not known or it will say that something is widely accepted or investigators , scientist agree
ChatGPT has no concept of things being present. In a nutshell. You could ask ChatGPT things like: “John and Paula visit a party. Paula meets her best friend Joan, who is accompanied by… How many people were at least at the party?” This should do to identify a chatbot of this nature for now.
Perhaps you should ask yourself these probing questions, rather than questioning an idiot AI program. All AI programs are pre-programmed to yield prepackaged data… The notion that Artificial Intelligence posses learning faculties, is complete bullshit. The “learning” curve is ultimately limited to the programs function.
So is your learning curve.
That was pitiful. Go and play with some fellow ten year olds next time. Stick with the slow ones lest your pride suffer further damage.
It’s the truth. Unless we’re talking revelations, it’s not even debatable that it is not the truth.
Every answer is pre-programed. It’s an array of words. Also, if it ain’t got the variables, it’s not going to compute.
If not compute
Then standard answer
End if.
Our Governments are the domestic terrorists.
Governments experience no gains from war. Governments are indifferent to war. Only oil companies, agricultural companies, military provider companies, mineral mining companies and sellers of franchises others like them, achieve a gain from war.
The gain comes from weakened resistance which allows the economic empires to take-over. Empires eliminate competition least they not retain their empire. Governments do not profit. Neither control or ownership of resources are essential to government purposes. Empires, Oligarchs and their corporations, insist the empire is the only legitimate owner of the resources that exist within each nation. Empires accomplish this “exclusive access to and right to use” either by contract, lease, or ownership. and they accomplish contract, lease or ownership by rule of law, invasion, regime change, war, treaty etc.
Deed, copyright and patent owners<= enjoy “exclusive right” to the factors of production, not the governments. “Exclusive rights” generate monopoly powers.
Organizations and Oligarchs with “exclusive rights” control their markets. They develop “exclusive rights” into “monopoly power” take control over markets and access to resources. Natural enemies to the exclusive rights inherent in monopoly power is competition and gated access to needed or useful resources.
Non empire ownership of, or control over access to, a resource the empire needs or wants is a threat to the empire <=but the empire is not the government of a nation, its the owner of the “exclusive right“. Competition and access to resources are enemies to corporate empires. When empires cannot control or profit from a resource defended by an unfriendly government, the empire directs its monopoly power and resultant strength to change the government that protects the competitor or mineral resource from the empire. .
Example: A small oil company operates inside of a small oil rich country and provides oil and gas resources and products to support the economic needs of the small oil rich country. From the POV of the worldwide monopoly in oil and gas, the small independent oil and gas company is a competitor. Hence the oil companies that hold the worldwide monopoly in oil become unhappy! First because the small oil company provides the oil and gas to the small country, so the global oil companies lose sales to the small country, and second, because the global oil companies must compete in the global market with the oil and gas being marketed from the small oil company.. So what is the solution: threaten, regime change, then invade or take over the politics of the country, force the little oil company out of business, or force it to sell to the global oil interest, and presto,the residents of the small country now loose the benefits it used to have from its own oil and gas. The small oil company is no longer a competitive threat to the global oil corporate cartel.
Governments are tools used by oligarch owned or global corporate empires. in each domain of economic endeavor there is a global corporate empire: oil and gas, military suppliers, food suppliers, water suppliers, clothing suppliers, mineral suppliers, steel suppliers, technology suppliers and the like.
These global suppliers use their monopoly powers to force politicians to channel and direct or force those the politicians govern to support the needs and wants of monopoly powered empire owners.
The threat to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness is the non government empire.
I cannot believe the governments are the domestic terrorist, they are simply the slave drivers doing what the global empires demand. Governments are the private police force used by the global empires to keep in check those who object to global theft of local wealth. Empires use governments to extract local wealth. I am sure the names of some of these empires are well known to all? If you think about it, they are the ones who are threatening everyone’s domestic freedom in every nation in the world.
That’s what meant by saying governments I meant the earth scrapers but I do no,Tht know there names.oligarts and then the organisations ie;Cia fbi,M15.Then you have police who protect the rich then governments.Then councillors.Its always top down. There’s them and there’s us and if people don’t think they are slaves for the rich they are delusional. There’s a club and we are not init George carling.
Crikey I’m writing this on a small phone I just saw what I sent if you can read between the lines and mistakes you’ll know what I was trying to say.
I believe US 1889 American petroleum copyright law 1789-90. btw I recommend fuels and lubricants developments over a remarkably short period of time 120yrs and continuation to anyone, especially young people interested in engineering.
The Evil Empire and its vassals serve GloboCap.
“”I cannot believe the governments are the domestic terrorist, they are simply the slave drivers doing what the global empires demand. Governments are the private police force used by the global empires to keep in check those who object to global theft of local wealth.””
great post. thank you, eman!
it is possible for governments to act as domestic terrorists as an additional role to serving the big corporations and the deep state.
ministers, who incidentally are all white supremacists and religious extremists, from the liberals party in the previous government in australia led by scott morrison derived great pleasure from psychologically torturing those who are vulnerable and weak.
when some of those tortured committed suicide, they instructed their friendly media to show the system is working very well.
so YES, a government, as scott morrison proved, can serve big corporates slavishly AND act as domestic terrorists against large sections (us and them) of the society.
If I could ask one of those fire fighters a question it would be this: Did the sequence of booms become more rapid with time or was the time interval between the booms constant?
The latter would be proof positive of controlled demolition. Of course, when a fire fighter says “It sounded just like controlled demolition.” that implicitly answers the question…
Listen for yourself and decide. During the Naudet brothers film they and the firefighters they are accompanying are inside the North Tower as the South Tower collapses. The sequence of booms are loud and clear..
https://youtu.be/TJhLMFyyaqc
Well, they are a little irregular, but that blast pattern is inconsistent with pancaking, if only for the reason that it stops. Also, it’s not the sound that something really big would make. The blasts are too shallow, too high pitched, like a car falling onto the ground if dropped from a height, not like a train falling, far less the WTC.
Anyone who is still postulating a pancake collapse knows less than nothing about 911. Watch the collapse of the North Tower, Massive chunks of building, (some weighing several tonnes), are thrown hundreds of feet through the air.
Gravity cannot possibly cause any of that.
I got interested in you and found the “no planes” story. I think it’s better to reply here, because the other article is old. Anyway, what is more likely? Holograms in the sky or a doctored video to show on the news, because nobody filmed the actual event and a need was felt to air something?
There is no “no planes” story or video, so I have no idea what you are referring to.
We know that the videos were doctored and planes were inserted into the footage but I have never elucidated that as I do not think it is helpful because despite being the truth it sounds crazy.
Funny, you said the same thing in the other thread. Google, for whatever reason, hasn’t forgotten that. Just type “James Robertson” site:off-guardian.org It’s the first or the second result.
This conversation is so silly, because we all know 9/11 was really a hoax perpetrated by intergalactic Space Trifle, hypnotising us with modified ray guns. There’s really no evidence of this, which is only further evidence of how advanced this hoax really was.
Anyone humbly trying to argue the known facts and inconsistencies of the 9/11 collapses are all Space Trifle agents in disguise. You know this because they have an irrational fear of spoons, and you never see them holding one. Or if you do it’s actually a hologram spoon.
(I’m making the point, in an attempted humorous way, that this exchange isn’t really progressing anything forward. Reaching into unfalsifiable territory often isn’t helpful, and your chain of messages here, including one of you stalking the other on Google etc., are ranging off topic. I just wanted to let you know. Thanks. A2)
The videos were faked. The entry of “UA 175” into the South Tower is unreal and violates every relevant physical and engineering principle.
Post 1991 the live feed on the WEB showed the second plane hitting the building your a fucking idiot. LIVE FEED across The Atlantic ON THE WEB!!
Moron. On the Worldwide WEB!!
I QUESS you you weren’t Watching…DUMB FUCK!
That sound just bluids up beyond a decibel limit.
Aside from the assassinations where you just kill someone and then create your culprit, the propaganda narratives which turn all of our lives upside down work so well ONLY because people have prejudices. The key step in constructing an effective narrative is to blame it one something that aligns with the fears and biases of your intended target.
Islamohobic? I have a pair of twin towers to sell you with a bonus third included for free.
Sinophobic? Discount virus vials available in my shop! Scariant of your choice!
Russophobic? I’ve got a spare pipeline to offload. Mostly new but with a hole or two for ventilation.
Xeno-immigrantphobic? Help me decide which country to bomb, plunder and sanction after I finish up some ongoing projects in South and Central America, Africa and Asia. Oh yeah, I also have some extra walls, choose the length you want.
I can teach you the entire history of WWII in one sentence too: goodies squished baddies to save the world and give them democracy.
Pro tip: If you want to take out someone within NATO you’ll need to concoct a fairytale for the kids. However, if the target is on the Axis of Evil you don’t need to worry about this step. (See for example, Soleimani).
The US MILwas ready with cameras instead of radar and missiles on the North East coast during 9/11. That makes a bad B movie – an unplausible scenario.
This on the CIA’s notification that their El Qaida’s training course in the US went predictably on its own trajectory as suited for the Neo Con agenda to get a Pearl Habor style excuse to finally legalize the full spectrum surveillance of all US citizens and other totalitarian moves they were engaged in already. Explains finding perfect perp passports very soon.
US Con gress and House signed blindly on the dotted lines as expected.
How the righteous have fallen!
The Pentagon? Look at where was not attacked on 9/11. Certain other sites in New York City and in Virginia come to mind. Graeme McQueen has done some excellent work but this is a strange mis-direction, strange not least because it’s exactly the same trick they pulled off to deflect blame for Vietnam via the Pentagon Papers. Nothing to do with the CIA and their Wall Street overlords… no siree!
As for John Ruskin, here’s what David Livingstone has to say about him in Vol.3 of ‘Ordo ab Chao’: “according to [George Bernard] Shaw, ‘the most thoroughgoing opponents of our existing state of society’ declared themselves followers not of Karl Marx but of John Ruskin, the English art critic, Social Darwinist, Freemason, occultist and pedophile, who inspired Cecil Rhodes imperialist ambitions”. He quotes Ruskin from an 1870 speech: “this is what she must do or perish: she must found colonies as fast and as far as she is able, formed of her most energetic and worthiest men; – seizing every piece of fruitful waste ground she can set her foot on, and there teaching these her colonists that their chief virtue is to be fidelity to their country, and that their first aim is to be to advance the power of England by land and sea… a sacred Cerce, the true Daughter of the Sun, she must guide the human arts, and gather the divine knowledge of distant nations”. The behaviour of Turdeau, Ardern and Andrews in the scamdemic showed that fidelity is still with us.
Ruskin was a big influence on journalist Flora Shaw whose deliberate mis-reporting helped cause the Boer War and kill thousands of Boers in British concentration camps. Shaw was a protege of Rhodes-Milner Group asset W.T. Stead.The mainstream biography of Stead ‘Muckraker’ by W. Sydney Robinson claims the Boers welcomed the concentration camps. Look up “Second Boer War concentration camps” on Wikipedia and see the picture of Lizzie Van Zyl welcoming her British “protection”. The Boers just wanted to be left alone to get on with homesteading but sat on top of mineral deposits wanted by British oligarchs. I’m sure the huge lithium deposits just found in Iran will turn out well for them – and we won’t suddenly discover an overwhelming concern for the Gender Studies’ Department of Teheran University..
Proof of Ruskin’s occult beliefs comes from his membership of the Society for Psychical Research. Other members included Arthur Conan Doyle, John Dewey, Bertrand Russell and William James (brother of Henry and a claimant for the title of founder of behaviourialist psychology). Funny how these apparent rationalists keep turning out to be deeply into the occult….
Yada yada yada …
What are you gonna do about it?
You having one of you bolshy-adolescent days, Kurt?
I guess. But that was a legitimate-ass question.
You forgot Thomas Edison amongst a few bus loads of others.
This is the one and only reference to John Ruskin in Mr. Curtin’s essay. It’s very apt in the context it’s used. Surely it’s not necessary to eschew everything ever said or written by anyone who has less than sterling qualities 100% of the time.
Besides which, interest in the occult hardly disqualifies someone from further consideration. Indeed, given much of your commentary, one could argue that you have considerable interest in the occult. Does that mean we should always skim past your comments regardless how prescient they may be?
As soon as you deal with motivation, manipulation, psychology (!), you cannot avoid transcendence.
Darwin denied the monotheistic worldview, and Blavatsky explicitly sought a spirituality compatible with his teaching, because people seek reasons and justifications, and material science cannot provide that.
Darwin’s teachings thus advocated a scientifically random and meaningless world. Blavatsky and her successor Annie Besant sought and found the suitability for this in the polytheism of Egypt and India respectively.
Polytheism, in contrast to monotheism, does not represent an ordered world, but one that is affected by the power struggles of various deities, about which deceased people can tell more because they belong to this spirit world.
Superstitions in the form of inconsistent models inevitably belong to a disintegrated science. The preachers of the New Age are also appearing more and more in the so-called resistance, in search of people who are looking for support.
Well, inconsistent models, like the wave-particle duality of light. Formally, you can declare everything consistent, if the model is only complicated enough. I mean, what this Weinstein (something like that) guy who’s big on ZeroHedge has done with his unification of general relativity and quantum mechanics or what those M-theory people are doing… give me a break! It doesn’t impress me much.
I don’t understand what this has to do with my comment?
I was asking you what kind of science you would consider consistent and where that gets us.
My argument is that our kind of science cannot be capable of grasping reality. Therefore, with its very limited horizon, it can only mess around and create even greater destruction with each new ‘solution’.
The theory of everything will not exist, because science is suited for it like a fork for saving the world. So not at all.
The real science is not invented by humans. It is the planet, the universe … calling it 42 is NOT the answer.
Well, I agree with that overall.
Monotheism of the biblical kind was created by the banksters who needed it for world domination. It certainly helped. It’s importance has faded as everyone realized the banksters had become omnipotent. Polytheistic India is Israel’s largest customer for arms. It happened after the pro Palestinian Gandhi’s were liquidated.
Monotheism of the biblical kind was created by the banksters who needed it for world domination. It certainly helped
It is well known that many have tampered with the Bible over the centuries, as well as the Vedas and the Laoteking. It is also known that these were not only wise, but often highly earthly power interests.
What you claim here goes beyond that. Why should it have been attractive for moneyed people to invent one god instead of the widespread polytheism, a god who forbids their dirty tricks and usury, whose statements are completely contrary to their interests?
It is about time you brought arguments and evidence for your so far often repeated but insubstantial assertion.
Read up on Philo Judaeus of Alexandria (first century).
He says that God cannot be grasped by humans and can only be recognised by his effects. What are you trying to make up out of this philosophy?
You’ll know all about the Society for Psychical Research, I daresay, Ed? Been a member have you? I have.
And I can tell you that their interests go right across the whole field of paranormal events, and blend seamlessly into modern high-quality, strictly scientific, experimental psi-research, which demonstrates – again and again for anyone who’s got what it takes actually to look at hard evidence and go where it leads – that the paranormal faculty of the living mind is as real as anything else, and that it includes both ESP: the direct getting of information about ANYTHING by intuitive perception (practiced properly!); and PK: the direct manipulating of physical events with unbending intent (of the mind).
Worthy subjects for serious study – for those who’ve got what it takes to face down their own psi-aversion (which we ALL have, as a matter of standard human psychology) and persevere with their investigations – if they’re – you know – rational enough… 😉
Or you could opt for the easy get-out of being one of the Randis, who swear they’re being ‘rational’ whilst actually masturbating their higher-than-average psi-aversion to insist fanatically that there’s no such thing as psi; that two plus two makes five; poor suckers. 😆
and blend seamlessly into modern high-quality, strictly scientific, experimental psi-research
This is an attempt to make science, thus genented, the master of that which completely eludes it.
Once it investigated concrete material relationships. Then, however, it began to indirectly tap reality with statistics, which was the point at which science turned away from scientificity and became self-referential, began to masturbate. Calculation replaced understanding, and capitulation to the inability of science to deal with causes was replaced by the self-evidence of tautology.
I consider this superstition and find it ridiculous. Not because I deny transcendence. I deny the claim and the ability of mathematics and statistics to find real explanations. It’s analogous to Covid: someone says there’s a deadly disease going around and ‘proves’ it with statistics and individual case histories. I, on the other hand, carefully open the door and see if there are people writhing in convulsions and lying around dead. If that is not the case, I go out. Maybe cautiously, because I can’t be sure, but every day I am more so.
The real superstition is that science can be competent with numbers and dates. If I find mouse droppings and calculate the quantity, I can deduce the number of patrons. To know what it looks like, I have to see it. To know how it behaves, I have to observe and experience it. The human senses and their intuition are the most ingenious ‘device’ for recognising reality. Science lags far behind because it only ever checks itself – its own previous assumptions. That was Francis Galtons hobby: defining criteria of inferiority and calculating the resulting damage for english society. This was the birth of eugenics, the ‘science’ derived from Darwins sermon (some people say, his scientific view of nature was modelled after english society and their laws).
This would only be ridiculous if one were to understand the inferiority under the real human being and their abilities. But they don’t, on the contrary: they elevate their own limited numerical acrobatics to the status of god and insist that man, this ingeniously complex creature, must conform to their simplicity. That is superstition, not transcendence.
“PK: the direct manipulating of physical events with unbending intent”
Tell me then, since humans are around since 300 000 years or so, why has natural selection not turned us all into super warlocks and witches by now?
We are in a mess as it is. According to you, natural selection would give us all psi powers if they exist. How would that turn out for humanity? If you were wrong and very few had developed such powers, would they advertise it?
Perhaps, perhaps not, it doesn’t matter, in any case they would profit from it.
My point is that these powers are not a function of will, but a function of harmony, if you like, for lack, well, not for actual lack, for avoidance of another term. If they were a function of will, then natural selection would have already spread them to ubiquiousness.
Speaking of B Movies – The Trump Show writers have outdone themselves in the last few weeks to maintain market share, with their all new Trump in jeopardy story line. According to sources at the Psyop Entertainment Network, Trump’s contract to play the ex-President includes a no arrest clause, so red and blue fans might be disappointed to learn Season 3 won’t include a prison set. But don’t give up all hope. We’ve heard the Network has offered to build penthouse prison at 1 Central Park West, and would only require Trump’s presence 2 hours per week on set. Their offer includes a 25 million dollar salary bump for every day “served,” and an agreement to pick up the cost of security at the Mar-a-lago Club to ensure no photos are snapped of Trump on the links, while supposedly serving time in an NYC jail. Stay tuned…
will Q do a drop.?
They would be “profoundly important” only if they instigated a major pushback from the entirety of the population who would get pissed off at how they’re being fucked with and exterminated the motherfuckers in charge.
Frankly, I don’t foresee anything like that happening, especially not in response to yet another truth revealing book, regardless how truth revealing it is. People are subjugated sheeple conditioned to further auto-condition themselves to accept any horseshit shoveled down their throats.
Hence, truth revealing books are useless because they don’t address the problem, namely the obedient sheepleness. Uncovering from yet another angle all the underhanded stuff perpetrated by the malevolent scheming cunts is useless because NOBODY GIVES A SHIT.
Thus, the question is – HOW TO MAKE PEOPLE LESS OF A SHEEPLE?
There is already in place a tried and true method of making people “less of a sheeple”: kill them all, every last one of them. And they will no longer be “sheeple.”
And there is a splendid vaccine developed just for that very purpose.
Short of killing people, if you think there’s a way to get them to stop looking for some little way – no matter how small – to profit off the government’s crimes, then it’s time to stop and review your thought process.
Kurt, I also wanted to say (but didn’t have time earlier – the dog comes before the forum) that the whole – and I mean THE WHOLE – idea of Truth is Truth itself. Truth does not exist for any purpose extraneous to itself.
Influencing people is wonderful – but it’s strictly a bonus of Truth, nothing more. In a world swimming in lies, Truth is a lifeline for those who might be in danger of sinking (i.e., mistaking the lies themselves for truth and honesty).
But as far as those who refuse to see anything but what’s been plopped down right in front of them, then no, Truth is of no value whatsoever. But that unfortunate circumstance of human nature certainly is not important enough to quell the Truth.
Those who believe lies should never – NEVER – be the ultimate arbiters of Truth.
So what? What difference does it make? It makes you feel better that, while you’re slaving away, you know the Truth? Wouldn’t it be better not to slave away? Where knowing the Truth would be a bonus?
I have a little more experience with totalitarianism than you. I grew up in a totalitarian country and had to endure the shit for some time before I defected the fuck out of there.
The vast majority of people “knew the Truth” and were yapping about in vain every night in their favorite pub, where they drowned their chagrin in beer and cheap booze, and then got up in the morning and trekked to the factory to sweat blood for the establishment. These books about the Truth and the incredulous debates about them are a modern reincarnation of the very same thing.
You want freedom, you gotta go and get it, not yap yada yada about it.
What country was that if I can ask, and how did you defect?
I fell in love with the prettiest girl under the Sun and we ran the fuck away. Didn’t take long before we split up, but it was paradise while it lasted.
I think you’re bullshitting. What country?
Actually, I am not. It’s a true story.
BTW, I don’t give a fuck about what you think.
Why on earth would you think I would think you would give a fuck about what I think? That’s sounds like a high schooler. Are you a young kid just making shit up? That’s what I think, and I don’t give a fuck what you think about that.
You won’t tell me the country because you’re full of shit and just on here bullying people. I never liked bullies.
Nekde si to vyhledej podle tohodle ty tupy blbce a prestan me srat.
LOL motherfucker.
Ha! A transliteration of Hebrew. I thought so …
Why did you change your “name” from plino or from Jacques?
If, as I suspect, Kurt is Jacques from several months ago, then the country would be Czechoslovakia?
The age old dilemma: being free and knowing nothing vs. knowing much and being enslaved.
“Oh I’d rather be free!” most would say. But how can you be free if you don’t know anything? How would you even know you’re free if you didn’t know what freedom was – and wasn’t?
“Freedom is not having some SOB standing over me telling me what to do!” said the man who turned around and was eaten by a tiger.
I go for knowing as much as possible and being as free as possible.
What ya think about that?
Excellent!
I’ll drink to that!
No: You want freedom, you gotta go and get it. AND speak about it constantly.
FFS Kurt, do try and grow up! Writing like a veteran grown up rather than an offensive adolescent would help. And anyway, if you’re so dedicated to going and getting it, and less yadda, why do you keep hanging around here…?
Good question.
Probably because I am going and getting it, but in doing so, it’s a lonely world out there, for most people aren’t. Once in while, I have more need to ‘socialize’ than usual. There are a few people here whose comments I like reading because they have interesting remarks. You’re one of them.
Scarface (1983) – Say Goodnight to the Bad Guy Scene
https://youtu.be/Yky4QtRX_DI?t=80
“I always tell the truth. Even when I lie”.
Just get an honest media to report the truth.
Easier said than done.
I don’t care about the people. I am not capable of making people either. I may be able to behave properly in any situation, but I can’t even ‘do’ that. The American accountants have a motto (which they themselves do not adhere to): in God we trust, the rest we audit.
In another forum, I once got into a conversation with someone who lives in Romania. He is a hardcore atheist and is annoyed that the Romanians are so religious. He is also annoyed that the Germans are so weak-willed, whereas the Romanians defend themselves far more against attacks. Maybe the two have something to do with each other…
Are you from East or West Germany?
Do you see a difference in the stance of people from either to, say, totalitarianism, or more generally to the issues that get discussed here?
Interesting question.
The FRG bought the GDR in 1989 with the consent of the Allies and exploited it. The effect today is that many East Germans hate the West Germans. Many of them, you will be surprised to hear, long for the old SU back and Honecker, so they support Putin and China. A few – especially those who were expelled from Prussia – reject the FRG and the GDR, consider themselves doubly deceived. Nevertheless, few are Nazis, but very German and also xenophobic. That is my experience of it. I could not find that the Ossis reject totalitarian systems, on the contrary.
West Germans tend to be spoiled and fearful. After Hitler taught them that they had to be obedient in order to conform to his racial ideal, the American behaviourists taught them that they had to follow the Allied government in order to stop being Nazis. So one dependency has replaced the other, and as with Hitler, it is a mortal sin to ask questions.
I am West German. Always have been.
What would you say was the prevalent historical quality of Germans, or perhaps even the way they perceived themselves, prior to H?
Before Bismarck (!), there was no such thing as Germany for about 400 years. It was a battlefield for foreign interests – France, Spain, Italy, Habsburg, Prussia, Russia, Great Britain. Bismarck united 40 individual German states under Prussian leadership to put an end to this. So far not a lasting model of success.
Hence my answer: the rift. And with that, perseverance under constantly changing conditions.
What is your own answer?
I grew up in a country next to yours where Germans are perceived as aggressive oppressors, in a kinda monolithic fashion.
How do Germans feel about the German diaspora? Is there a feeling of one strong German nation? Do Germans feel secure about their history? Discounting H in the sense of being indoctrinated, de-indoctrinated, and re-indoctrinated as per the above?
What do you mean with ‘german diaspora’?
The real German danger is that of dressage, not that of a national self-confidence that does not exist.
Like all the German-speaking countries/nations. I was wondering whether German-speaking people consider themselves all one nation or to what extent they do.
Perhaps you should look into the history of German-speaking people. Think then you wouldn’t ask this questions.
Thank you for the insight! It is always interesting to see what absurd ideas other countries – Poland? – have of German-speaking people.
Not Poland … 😉 …
I never liked history too much, regrettably. I mostly know history by way of music, or rather ethnomusicology.
In that regard, it’s interesting to note that the folk music in Central Europe, quite varied and modal in nature, was steamrolled by tonal music, a German invention (especially Bach), which converted everything into tonal, i.e. tonic, subdominant, dominant shit. The farther you go from Germany, the more preserved the original modal varieties are.
There is an interesting description of that in Kundera’s Joke:
https://archive.org/details/jokedefinitiveve00kund/page/130/mode/2up
I know nothing about music. Am I your Jew now?
Well, I was wondering about the historical hangups of a nation. Underlying, subconscious sentiments that exist within an entire nation, an entire culture. What they are among Germans.
Take Quebeckers for example (French Canadians). They have a massive historical hangup from being subjugated by the English. It’s built into the culture and is inherited from generation to generation. They constantly resist.
Take Czechs, they have a historical aversion to more powerful nations that have been fucking them over for eons. A half of the population deal with it by deflecting, the other by collaborating.
So on, so forth..
Ok, pending …
I know nothing about music. Am I your J** now?
What Germans?
The population of Germany is 83 million.
60 million of these are Germans.
The rest are every nationality on the planet.
All the world and his dog.
London is 37% British.
Birmingham is 42% British.
Germany doesn’t exist any more.
Britain doesn’t exist any more.
America doesn’t exist any more.
Sweden doesn’t exist any more.
Ditto Canada, France, Italy, Spain, Holland, Denmark, Austria, Switzerland, Australia.
What happens in these countries doesn’t matter.
They no longer exist.
They are just dumping grounds for the human flotsam and jetsam of the planet, the rapefugees and gimmegrants, the chancers and grifters from every corner of the planet. That’s all fine till we run out of 5* hotels to put them in.
Perhaps we should all return to pre Columbus borders. That would be a just solution but Western Europe would have to pay endless trillions for the crime of colonialism.
My answer is pending … maybe it is because using the word N*** one time, and H***** two times 😉
A ‘truth revealing book’ is usually where the journey starts. Without them, there’s is no journey. Anyway, for starters one could send every member of their family such a book for christmas. The chances are that one has already been labelled as a ‘conspiracy theorist’ by the family anyway. So one may as well give them something to chew on.
Everybody gotta find their own truth and, more importantly, be willing to embark on a path to seek it. Whoever is doesn’t need a book, who isn’t won’t be convinced thereby.
Called me conspiracy minded, the fact none of the talking heads fighting daily into providing us what ‘truth’ 👀 in the alternative media have mentioned the United Kingdom budget that happened on the 17th. More tax rises – show migrant hotels.
Reason; A Majority of the alternative media gets government endorsed donation stream is tax exempted.
Good money in shilling and manufactured talking points.