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		By: henry		</title>
		<link>https://off-guardian.org/2023/06/24/discuss-an-attempted-coup-in-russia/#comment-673254</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[henry]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Jun 2024 01:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://off-guardian.org/2023/06/24/discuss-an-attempted-coup-in-russia/#comment-629249&quot;&gt;Lorraine&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;p&gt;También se trata de las ventas y compras de armas de los Lobis Armamentistas Globalistas y que tanto como a Rusia y Ucrania es lo que les da el despegue de sus respectivas economías, es una guerra defensiva y contra......... &lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://off-guardian.org/2023/06/24/discuss-an-attempted-coup-in-russia/#comment-629249">Lorraine</a>.</p>
<p>También se trata de las ventas y compras de armas de los Lobis Armamentistas Globalistas y que tanto como a Rusia y Ucrania es lo que les da el despegue de sus respectivas economías, es una guerra defensiva y contra&#8230;&#8230;&#8230; </p>
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		By: Lorraine		</title>
		<link>https://off-guardian.org/2023/06/24/discuss-an-attempted-coup-in-russia/#comment-629249</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lorraine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Sep 2023 01:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://off-guardian.org/2023/06/24/discuss-an-attempted-coup-in-russia/#comment-612470&quot;&gt;zenpriest&lt;/a&gt;.

Russia did no invade Ukraine yet.  Its a fake war.  The war in the east is real and has been going on since 2014.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://off-guardian.org/2023/06/24/discuss-an-attempted-coup-in-russia/#comment-612470">zenpriest</a>.</p>
<p>Russia did no invade Ukraine yet.  Its a fake war.  The war in the east is real and has been going on since 2014.</p>
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		By: Lorraine		</title>
		<link>https://off-guardian.org/2023/06/24/discuss-an-attempted-coup-in-russia/#comment-629248</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lorraine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Sep 2023 01:32:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Russia did not invade Ukraine in February 2022 nor at any time after.  The only war in Ukraine is the 9 year old conflict in the east.  Everyone was exposing the fake news coming from Ukraine in the early months of 2022.  What happened? It&#039;s just as fake as it ever was.  The US and China would like nothing more than to lure Russia into Ukraine and start a war between the former and the EU in order to weaken the two before US and China go to war with each other.  You must not forget that the &quot;pandemic&quot; had nothing to do with &quot;new normal&quot;.  It was a pretext to fund world war 3 and transnational weapons monopolies.  Obama never left office,  He is needed to appease workers in the US and soften the up to accetp war.  Trump and Biden&#039;s presidency is as fake as the pandemic]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Russia did not invade Ukraine in February 2022 nor at any time after.  The only war in Ukraine is the 9 year old conflict in the east.  Everyone was exposing the fake news coming from Ukraine in the early months of 2022.  What happened? It&#8217;s just as fake as it ever was.  The US and China would like nothing more than to lure Russia into Ukraine and start a war between the former and the EU in order to weaken the two before US and China go to war with each other.  You must not forget that the &#8220;pandemic&#8221; had nothing to do with &#8220;new normal&#8221;.  It was a pretext to fund world war 3 and transnational weapons monopolies.  Obama never left office,  He is needed to appease workers in the US and soften the up to accetp war.  Trump and Biden&#8217;s presidency is as fake as the pandemic</p>
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		By: Andrey		</title>
		<link>https://off-guardian.org/2023/06/24/discuss-an-attempted-coup-in-russia/#comment-614464</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jul 2023 12:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://off-guardian.org/2023/06/24/discuss-an-attempted-coup-in-russia/#comment-612255&quot;&gt;Vagabard&lt;/a&gt;.

If you are interested in the opinion from Russia, then Vagabard is generally right.
The layout is this:
&lt;strong&gt;30%&lt;/strong&gt; - support Prigozhin, as they hate the officials of the Ministry of Defense whom he opposed.
&lt;strong&gt;30%&lt;/strong&gt; - repeat Putin&#039;s words in everything.
&lt;strong&gt;25%&lt;/strong&gt; - are chauvinists who hate people from business (including PMCs).
&lt;strong&gt;15%&lt;/strong&gt; - support the West.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://off-guardian.org/2023/06/24/discuss-an-attempted-coup-in-russia/#comment-612255">Vagabard</a>.</p>
<p>If you are interested in the opinion from Russia, then Vagabard is generally right.<br />
The layout is this:<br />
<strong>30%</strong> &#8211; support Prigozhin, as they hate the officials of the Ministry of Defense whom he opposed.<br />
<strong>30%</strong> &#8211; repeat Putin&#8217;s words in everything.<br />
<strong>25%</strong> &#8211; are chauvinists who hate people from business (including PMCs).<br />
<strong>15%</strong> &#8211; support the West.</p>
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		By: zenpriest		</title>
		<link>https://off-guardian.org/2023/06/24/discuss-an-attempted-coup-in-russia/#comment-612814</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[zenpriest]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jun 2023 20:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://off-guardian.org/2023/06/24/discuss-an-attempted-coup-in-russia/#comment-612237&quot;&gt;Gonzogone&lt;/a&gt;.

Jesus loves you.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://off-guardian.org/2023/06/24/discuss-an-attempted-coup-in-russia/#comment-612237">Gonzogone</a>.</p>
<p>Jesus loves you.</p>
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		By: Penelope		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Penelope]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jun 2023 22:43:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://off-guardian.org/2023/06/24/discuss-an-attempted-coup-in-russia/#comment-612425&quot;&gt;StStephen&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks, StStephen.  Both elespiadigital &#038; roloslavskly make the same point as BigSerge:  that &lt;span&gt;Prigozhin didn&#039;t want to bring Wagner under MoD control.  One of the sites also made the point that he&#039;d had some recent unassociated financial setbacks in business-- and that his daughter had been denied some sort of financial license or whatever by St Petersberg govt.&lt;/span&gt;

&lt;span&gt;Since Prigozhin&#039;s always seemed a bit of an hysterical grandstander it could almost be described as his version of the Canadian Truckers demonstration.  I believe him when he says the shooting down of the 2 aircraft was a mistake.  I don&#039;t think he could have given orders for such an action.  &lt;/span&gt;

&lt;span&gt;Speaking of which-- I wonder exactly how that happened.  Did soldiers really get nervous &#038; shoot down the aircraft w/o orders?  Bizarre!  Of course they did have the equipment &#038; ammo to do it.&lt;/span&gt;

&lt;span&gt;(Sorry about elespiadigital; it usually displays a box covering part of the screen w choice of English or Spanish)&lt;/span&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://off-guardian.org/2023/06/24/discuss-an-attempted-coup-in-russia/#comment-612425">StStephen</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks, StStephen.  Both elespiadigital &amp; roloslavskly make the same point as BigSerge:  that <span>Prigozhin didn&#8217;t want to bring Wagner under MoD control.  One of the sites also made the point that he&#8217;d had some recent unassociated financial setbacks in business&#8211; and that his daughter had been denied some sort of financial license or whatever by St Petersberg govt.</span></p>
<p><span>Since Prigozhin&#8217;s always seemed a bit of an hysterical grandstander it could almost be described as his version of the Canadian Truckers demonstration.  I believe him when he says the shooting down of the 2 aircraft was a mistake.  I don&#8217;t think he could have given orders for such an action.  </span></p>
<p><span>Speaking of which&#8211; I wonder exactly how that happened.  Did soldiers really get nervous &amp; shoot down the aircraft w/o orders?  Bizarre!  Of course they did have the equipment &amp; ammo to do it.</span></p>
<p><span>(Sorry about elespiadigital; it usually displays a box covering part of the screen w choice of English or Spanish)</span></p>
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		By: zenpriest		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[zenpriest]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jun 2023 17:04:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If you are following the Ukraine/Russia &#039;war&#039; and its developments, the matrix still has you...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you are following the Ukraine/Russia &#8216;war&#8217; and its developments, the matrix still has you&#8230;</p>
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		By: Lost in a dark wood		</title>
		<link>https://off-guardian.org/2023/06/24/discuss-an-attempted-coup-in-russia/#comment-612461</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lost in a dark wood]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jun 2023 15:56:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://off-guardian.org/2023/06/24/discuss-an-attempted-coup-in-russia/#comment-611876&quot;&gt;Lost in a dark wood&lt;/a&gt;.

Colonel Blowhard

Feb 28, 2022: “The game is over!”
Jun 26, 2023: “Let’s fight and get this over with!”
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BTW; Macgregor’s assessment of the Prigozhin incident seems reasonable to me. There was no coup attempt, no psyop, no CIA operation. Instead, it’s about robust disagreements among militarised factions.
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https://video.foxnews.com/v/6299099588001#sp=show-clips
Col. Douglas Macgregor on Putin’s next steps in the Ukraine invasion
Feb. 28, 2022 – The decorated combat veteran says the U.S. should stay out of the conflict in Ukraine, adding it will create a far more severe humanitarian crisis.
With Trey Gowdy on Fox News
[Quote at 1:30]
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Russian Rebellion &#038; the Ukraine War w/Col Doug Macgregor
Judge Napolitano - Judging Freedom
Streamed live 20 hours ago
Mon 26 June (14:45 ET)
[Quote at 12:30]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zRF9FGRr9s]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://off-guardian.org/2023/06/24/discuss-an-attempted-coup-in-russia/#comment-611876">Lost in a dark wood</a>.</p>
<p>Colonel Blowhard</p>
<p>Feb 28, 2022: “The game is over!”<br />
Jun 26, 2023: “Let’s fight and get this over with!”<br />
&#8212;</p>
<p>BTW; Macgregor’s assessment of the Prigozhin incident seems reasonable to me. There was no coup attempt, no psyop, no CIA operation. Instead, it’s about robust disagreements among militarised factions.<br />
&#8212;</p>
<p><a href="https://video.foxnews.com/v/6299099588001#sp=show-clips" rel="nofollow ugc">https://video.foxnews.com/v/6299099588001#sp=show-clips</a><br />
Col. Douglas Macgregor on Putin’s next steps in the Ukraine invasion<br />
Feb. 28, 2022 – The decorated combat veteran says the U.S. should stay out of the conflict in Ukraine, adding it will create a far more severe humanitarian crisis.<br />
With Trey Gowdy on Fox News<br />
[Quote at 1:30]<br />
&#8212;</p>
<p>Russian Rebellion &amp; the Ukraine War w/Col Doug Macgregor<br />
Judge Napolitano &#8211; Judging Freedom<br />
Streamed live 20 hours ago<br />
Mon 26 June (14:45 ET)<br />
[Quote at 12:30]</p>
<p><iframe class="youtube-player" width="640" height="360" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/0zRF9FGRr9s?version=3&#038;rel=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;showinfo=1&#038;iv_load_policy=1&#038;fs=1&#038;hl=en-US&#038;autohide=2&#038;wmode=transparent" allowfullscreen="true" style="border:0;" sandbox="allow-scripts allow-same-origin allow-popups allow-presentation allow-popups-to-escape-sandbox"></iframe></p>
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		By: StStephen		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[StStephen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jun 2023 13:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://off-guardian.org/2023/06/24/discuss-an-attempted-coup-in-russia/#comment-612244&quot;&gt;Penelope&lt;/a&gt;.

Couldn&#039;t find the &quot;Click&quot; and can&#039;t read Spanish. But have a look at the link I&#039;ve signposted above (&lt;a href=&quot;https://open.substack.com/pub/bigserge/p/russo-ukrainian-war-the-wagner-uprising?r=1crci7&#038;utm_medium=ios&#038;utm_campaign=post&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;https://open.substack.com/pub/bigserge/p/russo-ukrainian-war-the-wagner-uprising?r=1crci7&#038;utm_medium=ios&#038;utm_campaign=post&lt;/a&gt;). It clarified &lt;em&gt;muchas&lt;/em&gt; things for me, and convincingly explains the &quot;march on Moscow&quot; I had found particularly strange.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://off-guardian.org/2023/06/24/discuss-an-attempted-coup-in-russia/#comment-612244">Penelope</a>.</p>
<p>Couldn&#8217;t find the &#8220;Click&#8221; and can&#8217;t read Spanish. But have a look at the link I&#8217;ve signposted above (<a href="https://open.substack.com/pub/bigserge/p/russo-ukrainian-war-the-wagner-uprising?r=1crci7&amp;utm_medium=ios&amp;utm_campaign=post" rel="nofollow ugc">https://open.substack.com/pub/bigserge/p/russo-ukrainian-war-the-wagner-uprising?r=1crci7&#038;utm_medium=ios&#038;utm_campaign=post</a>). It clarified <em>muchas</em> things for me, and convincingly explains the &#8220;march on Moscow&#8221; I had found particularly strange.</p>
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