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Caught in the Strait

Binoy Kampmark

It is clear that the United Kingdom could not have thought this through. Was it a touch of the Suez jitters, the haunting syndrome of 1956 leaving a false impression that the Old Empire still had it? To taunt a power already under the watchful and punitive eye of the United States was never a recipe for equanimity and calm repose.

But taunt they did, using 30 Royal Marines to detain an Iranian tanker Grace I in Gibraltar last month.

The official justification was unconvincing: the need to enforce European Union sanctions against the regime of Syria’s Bashar al-Assad. The vessel had been supposedly en route to Syria. Some in the diplomatic fraternity were perplexed: it had not previously been UK policy to diligently pursue the impounding of vessels bound for Syria with Iranian cargo.

Local Spanish authorities sensed the hand of US pressure, of which squeezing oil revenue is one; as well as they might, given the unbridled joy expressed by President Donald Trump’s national security advisor, John Bolton.

Excellent news: UK has detained the supertanker Grace I laden with Iranian oil bound for Syria in violation of US sanctions.” The US and its allies would “continue to prevent regimes in Tehran & Damascus from profiting off this illicit trade.”

Former Swedish prime minister and co-chair of the European Council on Foreign Relations outlined some of the inconsistencies in the UK approach.

The legality of the UK seizure of a tanker heading for Syria with oil from Iran intrigues me. One refers to EU sanctions against Syria, but Iran is not a member of the EU. And the EU as a principle doesn’t impose its sanctions on others. That’s what the US does.”

Becoming the US running dog on enforcement was not going to sit well with Iran. The Mullahs are spoiling for a fight. On May 20, Iran’s foreign minister, Mohammad Javad Zarif, cast an eye to historical examples of Persian resistance.

President Donald Trump would fail as others had in their efforts to subdue his country. Alexander the Great and Genghis Khan had tried, and not succeeded. (The foreign minister’s sense of history is only as good as his sense of relativity: the Persian entity was, for a time, conquered, but the conquest was never indefinite.)

The seizures of vessels constitute a recipe for a tit-for-tat calamity. We are already seeing the bitter fruit of the harvest arising out of the seizure of Grace I. Two oil tankers – the UK registered Stena Impero, and the Mesdar, another Liberian registered vessel though British operated – were subsequently seized in the Strait of Hormuz. The Mesdar’s detention was threatening though teasingly brief; the Stena Impero, on the other hand, was to be made an example of.

Another oil tanker has since fallen into the hands of the Iranian forces, one accused of smuggling some 700,000 litres of fuel to Arab states. “The seizure of the oil tanker,” noted IRGC commander Ramezan Zirahi, “was in coordination with Iran’s judiciary authorities and based on their order.”

In all of this, the UK has made a fateful decision: the US is there to be supported in a policy to protect merchant ships against Iranian efforts. But Washington has assisted in creating the problem for which it now claims to have the solutions. It is the supplied choice of a current empire to a former one, and the current empire is keen on misbehaving.

The forces of the US imperium have been doing their bit to ensnare Iran in a troubling vice, be it from al-Asad airbase in Iraq, to Qatar. At sea, the US Navy holds forth with its carrier strike group. Sanctions have been ramped; the Iran nuclear deal dumped upon and exited. The Trump administration persists in causing a certain modicum of mayhem.

Putting up your hands for an unconditional commitment to a US-led effort cuts against the grain for a united European-controlled mission in the strait. European powers also feel they must be firm, just not in the Trump way. The result has seen hesitation and concern about whether Germany and France might be added to any cobbled coalition.

Farther afield, Australia has also fielded a request from Washington described as “serious and complex”, one that would see oil shipments from Iranian incursions being protected. Australian Defence Minister Linda Reynolds has not been exactly forthcoming in any way on what qualifies the request as complex and serious, though, like a long retained servant to the lord of a manor, makes it sound grander than it is.

Now, Britain finds itself stretched, the rubber man of international relations keen to maintain shape, if only in distorted fashion. Iran was bold, even brazen, but its forces feel they have every right to be. The current conventions are for ditching; the protocols of old are being thrown out like stagnant dishwater.

Now, in with the new, the asymmetrical teasing, be it through sponsored agents in Yemen, allies in Iraq, or a chance to seize, if only arbitrarily, various assets in the Strait of Hormuz.

The Iranian actions have done their bit to strike a degree of consternation.

Moez Hayat, penning a view in The National Interest, exemplifies that consternation. Iran struck when the UK lacked awareness and cogency. “Functionally, Britain was leaderless as Iranian forces boarded the vessel.

Prime Minister Theresa May was a lame duck, unable to act as the Conservative Party elected a successor.” The problems go far deeper than that, telling of European disunity and continued US bellicosity. On this occasion, a simpler assessment is that Britain was caught in the strait, a true US set-up with continuing consequences.

Dr. Binoy Kampmark was a Commonwealth Scholar at Selwyn College, Cambridge. He lectures at RMIT University, Melbourne. Email: [email protected]

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DunGroanin
DunGroanin
Aug 26, 2019 2:12 PM

The dumb petty caeser of the twilight empires latest grand whizz to control the world a few thousand miles from home.

‘John Bolton

@AmbJohnBolton
All hands on deck in the campaign to stop Iran from funding terror, destabilizing the globe, and breaking international sanctions. The illicit oil heading to Turkey on the Adrian Darya 1 must not be allowed off-loaded in port or at sea.

1:25 AM – Aug 26, 2019’

&
‘Splash understands US military forces have been practicing taking over the VLCC.’

https://splash247.com/john-bolton-reiterates-us-stance-towards-controversial-iranian-vlcc/

harry law
harry law
Aug 9, 2019 12:09 PM

John Bolton said “I confess I had no desire to die in a Southeast Asian rice paddy,” Bolton wrote of his decision in the 25th reunion book. “I considered the war in Vietnam already lost.” Bolton said nuts to that, later writing in a memoir that he “wasn’t going to waste time on a futile struggle” in Vietnam. (The memoir’s title, by the way, is Surrender Is Not An Option.) John Bolton: I totally would’ve gone to fight the war I publicly advocated, but it was going to be lost anyway, and I didn’t want to die, like the 9,500-plus Americans who went in my stead and died between 1970 and the fall of Saigon. Now buy my book, Surrender Is Not An Option, which explains why we need war with Iran and North Korea. Prospective private Donald ‘bone spurs’ Trump called himself a “brave soldier” for avoiding STDs while… Read more »

mark
mark
Aug 9, 2019 10:35 PM
Reply to  harry law

What a brave little soldier!

All fully paid up members of the Bill Clinton Light Infantry.

You have to admire the kings and warriors of old. At least they put their life on the line, sword in hand in front of their men. William The Conqueror, James IV of Scotland, Frederick the Great.

Nowadays you get Bush and Blair strutting around like little sawdust Caesars, sending kids off from some crappy council estate to come back with their legs blown off and their brains scrambled.

Shardlake
Shardlake
Aug 10, 2019 6:46 PM
Reply to  mark

Not only do some return maimed in body and mind, some return home in flag draped caskets and the only comfort their loved ones have is the engendered belief that they perished for their country doing a job they loved doing. In reality these poor service people died for nothing more than securing greater personal profit for the relatively few unheard of individuals with British and American financial interests who pulled the strings that control our governments that placed them in harms way in the first place.

When will the leaders of the western world send their own children to such places ?

David
David
Aug 19, 2019 1:50 AM
Reply to  Shardlake

The answer is quite simple – let those who call for war be the ones to go and fight them on the front lines!

harry law
harry law
Aug 9, 2019 10:08 AM

This is becoming intolerable, first the Germans put their companies and population first by buying cheap gas off Russia via Nordstream 2, even after the US Ambassador to Germany wrote directly to the German firms involved warning them of sanctions, then they failed [by a large margin] to meet the 2% target of German GDP [4 Trillion] for NATO, now they have the audacity not to join the US led coalition to make the Strait of Hormus safe, and at the same time putting maximum pressure on Iran to achieve regime change. Something will have to be done, if Germany can ignore us then others may get the idea that the big boss man is a paper tiger and that Trump, Pompeo and Bolton are not to be trusted, more sanctions on Germany are in order, failing that Bolton may threaten to mobilize the US forces occupying Germany and march… Read more »

mark
mark
Aug 9, 2019 10:37 PM
Reply to  harry law

It’s quite bad, really. You stage a coup or a regime change nowadays and nobody takes no notice.

Rhisiart Gwilym
Rhisiart Gwilym
Aug 9, 2019 10:03 AM

For some reason, the ‘reply’ button isn’t functioning for me, so I put this here, in reply to ‘Molloy’ and his humble opinion, some way down:

Shilling? Really? For what exactly? I don’t get it. I couldn’t actually give a toss whether anyone heeds my ideas about gold. And if that’s not what you’re speaking of, then shilling for what? Imho (to coin a weaselly acronym) you’re well up the weird’n’windy-opinon creek without the proverbial paddle. Welcome to the internet, where – as Jim Kunstler puts it – “Anything goes, and nothing matters.” Your baseless comment is an excellent example! 🙂 PS: Slag away as you will, but if you can’t put any substantive evidence on your ‘opinion’ I shan’t be responding.

Igor
Igor
Aug 8, 2019 10:00 PM

For opportunities such as this, is why the UK is reluctant to cede Gibraltar or the Falklands. Choke points on world trade routes.

Jumpbean Max
Jumpbean Max
Aug 8, 2019 9:12 PM

If the UK decides to join a patrol force protecting Strait of Hormuz shipping and freedom of navigation from Iran, then it also needs to join one protecting Strait of Gibraltar shipping and freedom of navigation from itself and the US.

Or China, Russia, and Iran need to put together such a force.

But yeah, it would be funny to see British special forces trying to illegally seize a vessel, according to the wishes of their master America, while other British special forces try to prevent that, in service of “freedom of navigation”.

Igor
Igor
Aug 8, 2019 10:12 PM
Reply to  Jumpbean Max

The UK Navy may only be capable of attacking unarmed merchant ships at this point in time.
The US Military has its own difficulties with insurgents and third world nations.

It takes a heavy toll on a nation’s wealth to project violent power globally. Wealth that flows to a few private hands, the same hands that funded Europe’s wars between Royal cousins for centuries.

Tick tock for the US Dollar regime. 75 plus years since Bretton Woods. They went from a gold standard to a petrodollar standard to keep it going. Over a century of the private Federal Reserve controlling the public money supply and privatizing profits.

Igor
Igor
Aug 8, 2019 10:16 PM
Reply to  Igor

Coincidentally(?) over a century of global wars, since the creation of the Federal Reserve monster.

Brian Harry
Brian Harry
Aug 9, 2019 4:21 AM
Reply to  Igor

“It is not a coincidence that the the Century of total war coincided with the Century of Central Banking”…..Ron Paul.

vexarb
vexarb
Aug 9, 2019 6:11 AM
Reply to  Brian Harry

@Igor & BrianH. “A Century of War” by Wm.Engdahl; starting with Anglo Zio Capitalist takeover of South Africa’s gold & diamonds (Boer War), continuing with AZC takeover of Middle East’s oilfields (WW1), the AZC financial destruction of Social Democratic Weimar and grooming of Hitler to take over Communist Russia’s vast resources (failed in WW2), then the AZC killing 3 million in failed attempt to destroy Communist Korea and Communist China, another 3 million in failed attempt to destroy Communist Vietnam, failed war against Communist Cuba, and so on … right up to the present Anglo Zio Capitalists failed attempt to destroy and take over the hydrocarbon resources of Socialist Syria, Socialist Venezuela, Democratic Russia, Communist China and Communist Iran.

vexarb
vexarb
Aug 9, 2019 6:42 AM
Reply to  vexarb

PS Oops! China is not rich in hydrocarbons, it is rich in industrious manpower. London banker’s son, British PM Camoron, got the UK to defy U$A for the first time in living memory, by allowing British banks to join Chinese banks; the AZC (which contrary to popular opinion is based in ThreadNeedle Street, London not Wall Street, New York) is obviously aiming to take over China by infiltrating the Bank of China, in case NATZO fails to take over China by invasion in WW3. (Five years ago I had a notion that the AZC were scheduling WW3 for 2033 — the centenary of their successful takeover of Germany by Fascism: the Private-Public Partnership between State Power and Money Power. But now I think this date seems to be receding because of powerful resistance by the Free World — a resistance dramatically spearheaded by Hezb’Allah, Syria and Iran with increasing help… Read more »

Brian Harry
Brian Harry
Aug 9, 2019 8:01 AM
Reply to  vexarb

It seems to me that The USA Government(not the American people) have made such utter “Cnuts” of themselves since WWII that the rest of the World are/have woken up as to who is the ‘Problem’.
Even the American people, loyal to the Star Spangled Banner, have been shafted financially in the process.
The USA Government is just a Zionist Puppet Show……”Who controls money, controls the World”…..Henry(War Criminal)Kissinger

Chris Osh
Chris Osh
Aug 8, 2019 8:11 PM

Um , I think Alexander the Great defeated Darius the king of Persia in 331BC.
Otherwise the Persians have been quite resistant to invaders throughout their history, certainly if the UK and the guys holding the leash the US decided to try a military solution in Iran, they would be biting off a lot more than a chewable chunk.
The current lot in the UK government including Bojo and Ms (dis)May have little idea of how to conduct a bus never mind international relations or war.

nottheonly1
nottheonly1
Aug 8, 2019 9:18 PM
Reply to  Chris Osh

There was an Anglo-Soviet invasion of Iran in the second world war. It is most interesting to read about it. I wrote about it in relation to the relentless smear of Russia by their former ‘ally’ UK.

Molloy
Molloy
Aug 8, 2019 3:49 PM

“The Mullahs are spoiling for a fight.” (Kampmark)

This sounds to me like victim-blaming (by the Great Satan); with the usual elements of ‘othering’, racism and bigotry.

Molloy
Molloy
Aug 8, 2019 3:38 PM

Divisiveness applied to the 99%? Pointless arguing. These are simply war crimes to be called out.
There is a long list of victims:– Iran, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Venezuela, Yemen, Palestine, Ukraine. To name a few.
Not calling out the crime is to facilitate the crime.

in their DNA
in their DNA
Aug 8, 2019 2:48 PM

“the United Kingdom could not have thought this through”

They don’t need to [think it through].
When it comes to the UK, plundering, thieving, hijacking, deception, thuggery and criminality come naturally.

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins
Aug 8, 2019 12:18 PM

“The Mullahs are spoiling for a fight.”

I wonder at this choice of wording, right now …

And the ‘miraculous’ absence of trolls 😉
Ain’t it all well overdue ?… 🙂 to revise perceptions & avoid further reprisals (as Harry clarifies)
& foul mouthing 😉

andyoldlabour
andyoldlabour
Aug 8, 2019 12:30 PM
Reply to  Tim Jenkins

The choice of words was indeed very strange, because the mullahs are definitely not spoiling for a fight. No country on earth would deliberately pick a fight with a country which is as unpredictable as the US.
The mullahs come in all shapes and sizes and are often very well educated, even if you don’t agree with their views.
The simple fact is, that the UK should never have ILLEGALY stopped and kept the Grace, it was almost an act of terrorism/war.

JudyJ
JudyJ
Aug 13, 2019 11:04 AM
Reply to  Tim Jenkins

Tim

(As promised) thought I’d let you and wardropper and balky, and others, know that I have again written today to Mark Tami MP to remind him that I am still awaiting an official, government reply to my letter (22 July) requesting clarification of the EU legal instrument purportedly used to ‘legitimise’ the UK’s seizure of the Grace 1 tanker. I have said to him that I shall continue to send a reminder every week until the information is provided. Until such time as you hear otherwise from me, you can assume that no information has been forthcoming.

All the best
Judy

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins
Aug 13, 2019 11:31 AM
Reply to  JudyJ

Interesting: Thanks Judy, back in the day an advice that the minister is on holiday (maybe even in Gibraltar, lol) would have sufficed as a minimal acknowledgement of your efforts, but, it appears today that nobody even feels the need or any sense of accountability & responsibility, for matters obviously above their station, let alone to the electorate … Which is worrying, (as, if he senses the futility of following up), then further distraction is in the pipeline and he knows full well that nobody cares for the Laws anymore, just like with Julian Assange, scandalous … A sign that matters will not end well, universally … ruled by Dictators, above any governance & national concerns: The National Security State and their ignominious shameful history, has usurped total control of any information flow and no Body seems to care, or is capable of regulating them. Thanks for the update and… Read more »

harry law
harry law
Aug 8, 2019 11:23 AM

In my opinion the Iranians did the right thing in detaining the Stena impero it shows an intent not to be messed around with, something the UK/US are masters at, in this case, some call it tit for tat but in International law it is called a reprisal… Belligerent reprisals are usually committed in times of war however a reprisal is a limited and deliberate violation of international law to punish another sovereign state that has already broken them. Reprisals refer to acts which are illegal if taken alone, but become legal when adopted by one state in retaliation for the commission of an earlier illegal act by another state. Before reprisals could be legally undertaken, a number of conditions had to be satisfied: • There had to be a previous act by the other party that violated international law. • Reprisals had to be preceded by an unsatisfied demand… Read more »

nottheonly1
nottheonly1
Aug 8, 2019 2:44 PM
Reply to  harry law

Exactly. I am wondering, how the author would describe such a reprisal by Venezuela, that is not only in the vise as the author claims about Iran, but clearly under attack by the US regime by all illegal means antes a full Iraq style invasion.

Shardlake
Shardlake
Aug 10, 2019 7:20 PM
Reply to  nottheonly1

Did anyone ask why a group of individuals forcibly took over the commercial airliners and flew them into two tall buildings in New York on September 9th, 2001 ? Did nobody ask what on earth we had done to these people that caused them act in such a disastrous manner ? I believe maybe not, as it has been easier to condemn these individuals as pure fanatics who have little regard for human life. There’s an irony there when one considers the amount of western fanaticism that is self evidently being used against the likes of Venezuela and Iran – better watch out or we’ll have the makings of a second 9/11 if we’re not careful.

vexarb
vexarb
Aug 12, 2019 12:14 PM
Reply to  Shardlake

@ShardLake: “Did nobody ask what on earth we had done to these people that caused them act in such a disastrous manner ?” Yes, I did, because I believed the official fairy story that Osama Bin Laden had plotted 911 in revenge. Ten years later I found out — through Truther sites such as Saker, Syrper, and A&E for 911 Truth — “what we had done to these people” (to the Saudi goons who took flying lessons). These Saudi patsies were being wined, dined and whored in a Las Vegas nightclub owned by Trump’s Israeli-American financial backer, Sheldon Adelson, while the U$A’s Shrub Bush regime was coordinating with Israel’s Nutty Yahoo regime to blow up the WTC and kill 3,000 New Yorkers on 911 (plus another 4,000 US soldier boys in Iraq and Afghanistan). Now I know what “we” done to “these” people that made them vote a second term… Read more »

UreKismet
UreKismet
Aug 8, 2019 9:53 AM

Some serious missing the point goin on round here. We have already discussed how the US cannot get into a serious conflict with Iran and still keep all the empire’s plates here, there and everywhere spinning, how being caught up in yet another war will make Orange boy’s plan to carve a big chunk of US wealth off the mugs for himself, a big risk as it is most def gonna take a second term to finesse and getting into a war will make an election much tougher to win, so the amerikan warmongers have created a situation where all the fighting and dying gets done done by england, now that the englanders have either accidentally or deliberately become ensnared in the Iran mess ever since they pirated the Iranian tanker. Most likely both May & C+nt the Ken doll got sucked in, while Johnson has gauged a war could… Read more »

Wilmers31
Wilmers31
Aug 8, 2019 6:35 AM

Britain needs to get out of the EU, very soon. Britain’s influence is not benign. They are too close to the US – the wars will never end under US/UK influence.

mark
mark
Aug 8, 2019 5:05 AM

Iran can either sit back and be strangled, and cheerfully accept its people starving and dying for lack of medicine, or it can act pre-emptively and impose some real costs of its own. Costs that are unbelievably high. Costs that are greater than those being imposed upon itself. Some people think Iran has no option but to sit quietly and accept whatever the Zionist stooges in Washington choose to inflict upon it. Destroy its economy, starve and immiserate its people, reduce it to penury. This is understandable. The UK has been the abject, grovelling, obsequious, toadying, lickspittle vassal of Washington for 70 years. It is more of a satellite state than the old GDR ever was of the USSR. Anyone who doubts this should listen to the nauseating, bootlicking speeches of UK leaders like William Hague and others. For all this time successive UK ambassadors have simply been told to… Read more »

nottheonly1
nottheonly1
Aug 8, 2019 3:04 PM
Reply to  mark

There is one danger though. As you stated :
“It is simply not possible to invade Iran as Iraq was invaded.”
Leaving actually only one option for the unprecedented psychopathy of the US regime. A pre-emptive nuclear attack jointly with the string pullers for any crisis in the Middle East. In order to stop this unilaterally madness, people should watch ‘Threads’ again to get an idea what will become of their little island following >200 Megatons of warheads homing in on the worst hypocrites in Europe.

mark
mark
Aug 8, 2019 5:28 PM
Reply to  nottheonly1

You make a good point, N. I don’t think all the surrounding countries would be too pleased about nuclear fallout drifting in from next door, but you can’t rule it out. These psychopaths have done it before, after all. Maybe the answer is for all countries to get their own WMD. Democratise nuclear weapons. Either nobody has them or everybody has them.

Oliver
Oliver
Aug 8, 2019 10:00 PM
Reply to  mark

Lots of nuclear weapons have already been used, in plain sight. The Chinese banned the import of crab from Anglesey in 2015, 8 days after the explosion sequence at Tjanjin. The Wylfa nuclear power station’s plutonium can be identified down to the individual reactor, through isotopic fingerprinting. The Chinese were being diplomatic. We are already in a nuclear war, it doesn’t look like ‘Threads’ though.

Question This
Question This
Aug 8, 2019 1:28 AM

The cognitive dissonance seems incredibly strong in peoples subjective minds on the US V Iran conflict. How does this ever end well for Iran? I did have a debate earlier about this with people wanting to make a stand & rush into battle for honor & glory, giving the empire a black eye. How does any form of conflict between the US (who isn’t dependent on middle eats oil) & Iran end up with the US lifting sanctions? If Iran gets into a bare knuckle fight with the US (& lets just dream for a second it won), do you think the US is going to throw in the towel & say OK we’ll lift the sanctions now? NO, it may give you all a semi thinking how nice it might be to give the empire a bloody nose, (i’d be cheering too) but Iran can’t win, win or loose,… Read more »

bevin
bevin
Aug 8, 2019 2:56 AM
Reply to  Question This

“How does any form of conflict between the US (who isn’t dependent on middle east oil) & Iran end up with the US lifting sanctions?..” The US is dependent on its control over Middle East oil producers to maintain its financial and strategic position. What is critical is not that the US consumes or needs to consume oil from the region but that other countries- the EU, India and China included- depend upon it. So long as the US dominates the region it has enormous economic leverage. And then there is the relationship between that and the US dollar’s position as a reserve currency. In summary: Iran is being very realistic in assessing its importance in the scheme of things imperial. What it wants is to outlast the US in this conflict, and in doing so assert its sovereignty whilst, at the same time, strengthening the alternative relationships, within eurasia… Read more »

Question This
Question This
Aug 8, 2019 3:35 AM
Reply to  bevin

At last a rational argument, thought my comment might provoke a reasoned reply. What it wants is to outlast the US in this conflict Seems to me this makes conventional war with Iran even more likely & sooner rather than later. Perhaps you ought to be questioning the inevitable domination of the Washington centred Empire, which is clearly crumbling. Though i think this is based more on wishful thinking than reality, no surprise for this site however. Half of the idiots who make up the Johnson Cabinet Its never wise to underestimate the enemy, but I can’t fault your analysis of the US/UK relationship & the tories. I’m not a tory apologist, but the empires both former & present can’t be that useless they’ve managed to get this far. However you still didn’t answer the question how does it end well for Iran, are you saying America is going to… Read more »

vexarb
vexarb
Aug 8, 2019 7:30 AM
Reply to  Question This

@QT: “my money would be on the empire”.

Reminds me of two little Jewish boys — one English, one German — sheltering in a London Tube during the Blitz. The little English boy was trying to shut up the little German boy who was crying,

“We shall die, we shall die, none can defeat our Wehrmacht, we are so strong!”

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins
Aug 8, 2019 12:21 PM
Reply to  vexarb

Simply gorgeous, Vexarb 🙂

vexarb
vexarb
Aug 8, 2019 1:07 PM
Reply to  Tim Jenkins

Tim, this anecdote is true; I heard it from the Englishman while we were strolling on Clapton Common some years after the war. It illustrates divided loyalties and the hypnotic effect of power; like the fictional boy in Empire of the Sun. Conditioned reflex: The Empire is Omnipotent. Resistance is Futile.

“Resistance is Fertile”. — Bashar Assad, MD

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins
Aug 8, 2019 2:09 PM
Reply to  vexarb

Stunning that: & we were writing to one another quite literally simultaneously, unwittingly … 🙂

Have a bonus live recording, that wholly relates to your comment above, in every sense of wartime memories …

Exquisite artistic interpretations … that prove that science would not last a minute without ‘Beauty’, naturally …

vexarb
vexarb
Aug 8, 2019 4:51 PM
Reply to  Tim Jenkins

La voix humaine; most supple, most tonally sensitive, most emotionally wide ranging of all musical instruments. Generated in the same tube which leads down to our gut, by vocal chords which quiver like the membrane of a medusa. Evolved amongst the most ancient of all vital organs — breathing and digestion — and yet (in humans at least) connected to the most refined neurological processes of the brain. The more I study music the more I believe that singing came before speech: our first words were more likely to have been fragments of melody than brutal grunts. I don’t think the boy has much of a voice and I think it needs training but he certainly has charisma and knows how to use it. I haven’t seen so much high emotion in female faces since Sinatra and the bobbysoxers. (Male faces too). His Chinese flautist was also good, and exactly… Read more »

vexarb
vexarb
Aug 11, 2019 6:46 PM
Reply to  vexarb

La voix humaine: 10 year old Arab American girl singing Nessun Dorma:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ao8sC4kt6CI

Question This
Question This
Aug 8, 2019 12:34 PM
Reply to  vexarb

The replies to my comment so far seem to reflect & confirm my own original thoughts, on this matter. Its likely to get much more unpleasant for everyo9ne before it gets better.

The empire like all empires will over extend itself & eventually its demise will come about through its bankruptcy, but that’s not going to help Iran’s current predicament. Like I said to others, Iran’s best bet is to weather the storm hoping that it can improve its economic fortunes with new alliances & business with China & Russia in the future.

Any pre-emptive attack on the empire will be a futile suicidal exercise.

Rhisiart Gwilym
Rhisiart Gwilym
Aug 8, 2019 9:04 AM
Reply to  Question This

QT, would you like a bullion bet? 2 to1 in your favour. I stake one gold sovereign, you stake a half sovereign. The bet is that USAmerica and its Anglozionist empire will collapse within a decade, leaving its bullying victims free to pick themselves up and recover. Since `i’m nearly 80, I’ll probably have to leave it to my heirs to pick up my winnings. But I’ll make the bet, if you will. Money where windy opinions are! What do you say?

Question This
Question This
Aug 8, 2019 12:02 PM

Although i would like to take your sovereign, I’m afraid i’m not a betting man, , have you seen the price of gold lately? I bought a half sovereign only a few months ago & its gained value quite nicely thanks to the empires struggles, though i think you’re right its demise will be its bankruptcy I think it has some life in it yet.

As a side note do you think gold will plateau of fall any time soon?

Rhisiart Gwilym
Rhisiart Gwilym
Aug 8, 2019 1:04 PM
Reply to  Question This

Q, I never make predictions about gold price, except to say: I think it will continue to be used globally as a universally-deemed-to-be real, and of course exchangeable, store of value; and that, whatever it’s momentary price in any given fiat, it will continue to hold its real buying power for actual goods and services more or less at the same value indefinitely.

There’s also a lottery chance that it will have one of its occasional big shoot-ups in value. But never buy with that as the main motive. Basically, it’s a best-bet value store which will always be acceptable anywhere. Everything I say applies ONLY to real physical gold, of reliable provenance, HELD IN YOUR OWN DIRECT POSSESSION. Never consider having it any other way. Cheers Q!

Molloy
Molloy
Aug 8, 2019 1:51 PM

imho. One or both of you in this thread are apparently shilling. Not strong on ‘subtle ‘. Not impressive.

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins
Aug 8, 2019 2:25 PM
Reply to  Molloy

Well, the Central Banks have been manipulating the price of gold for ages: and for over a decade, since the introduction of the Blockchain Distributed Ledger computer designs and the first crypto currency that they had to immediately under-mine or lose control of their corrupted methodology, the Central Banks have not been selling gold and look what the UK just did to Venezuela, which was wholly illegal, imho …

At least think about it, Molloy.

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins
Aug 8, 2019 2:28 PM
Reply to  Molloy

For clarity, I mean the Venezuelan Gold Reserves in London,
obviously THEFT !

mark
mark
Aug 8, 2019 5:33 PM

The gold market, like all other financial markets, has been rigged for decades. For every ounce of physical gold traded, 50 ounces of non existent “paper” gold is sold.

Brian Harry
Brian Harry
Aug 9, 2019 4:36 AM
Reply to  mark

Beware,”Paper” Gold is a ‘derivative’. If, one day, you want to collect your ‘Gold’….there’s not enough Gold to collect……But, in the meantime, someone is making money, selling you “Paper”…..a ‘promise’ to pay.

Francis Lee
Francis Lee
Aug 8, 2019 10:14 AM
Reply to  Question This

Something of a Mexican standoff here. Position 1. Iran cannot win a (conventional) war with the United States and its proxies, so it is best not to get engaged in one. Instead Iran should box clever and play for time using diplomatic asymmetric means to do combat with the great Satan. Position 2. Iran has to be prepared to fight back using all means necessary even if it means a huge cost. I have to say that the first position seems untenable since any reluctance on the part of Iran to threaten the use of force in its defence will be taken by the Great Satan as a sign of weakness. It will simply increase the Juggernaut’s military and economic pressure on Iran to the extent that military force will not actually be necessary and Iran will be starved into submission. The AZ-empire wins at minimum cost. Second option. Iran… Read more »

mark
mark
Aug 8, 2019 5:27 AM
Reply to  Question This

Win or lose, everybody loses. Everybody. Not just Iran. That’s the whole point.
There is just a slim hope that fact can be leveraged to prevent a war.
But I wouldn’t put money on it.
Iran would be destroyed, but so would US power.
It would be like the basket case British Empire of 1945.

Question This
Question This
Aug 8, 2019 12:40 PM
Reply to  mark

The one thing i think we are all in agreement here about, is causing the minimum harm to Iran’s people are we not?

mathias alexand
mathias alexand
Aug 8, 2019 9:38 AM
Reply to  Question This

Russia, Iran and China could form an entirely self sufficient trading block and sit out the West’s comming financial colapse which the West can only avoid by asset stripping Russia, Iran and China. This is why the US is shipping its terrorist assets into camps in Afghanistan, so that they can disrupt the Belt and Road inittiative in Central Asia.
Its hard to see how a militaraly defeated USA would enforce its sanctions on third party countries.

Tim Jenkins
Tim Jenkins
Aug 9, 2019 1:48 PM

Bang on, ‘mathias’

and what’s the title of that song again? … ah yes 🙂

“Ain’t no stopping us now…” McFadden & Whitehead

Safety in Numbers and “we’re on the move”

Xi & VVP, on the move 😉 and these guys will never Kowtow…

“It’s about faith & It’s about Trust”
(Sadé – Nothing can come between us …)

A done deal, with 3+3 Formations and already the world’s largest economy, if you put the pair of them together and their Tech. know how !

Fair dinkum
Fair dinkum
Aug 8, 2019 1:03 AM

Ahh, the quandaries of the underlings.
Me ‘art bleeds for em.