The idiotic image of ISIS: are we losing our critical thinking?
BlackCatte
Does anyone remember the bizarre stories that began circulating in the mainstream press in the summer of 2014 and into early 2015, alleging that certain of ISIS’ infamous snuff videos had been faked? The following appeared in that bastion of the official narrative,the Times August 25:
Foley video with Briton was staged, experts say
The video of a British jihadist beheading an American hostage was probably staged, with the actual murder taking place off-camera, according to forensic analysis.
Footage of James Foley’s death at the hands of a man with a London accent provided a powerful propaganda tool for Islamic State — formerly Isis — when it was uploaded on to the internet and broadcast around the world last week.
Now it has emerged the Briton might be a frontman and not the killer…
(The Briton in question was of course the infamous “jihadi John”, whose alleged identity was revealed in what looks like a very contrived and potentially dishonest media storm earlier this year.)
The Telegraph also ran the fake video story at around the same time as the Times:
Foley murder video ‘may have been staged’
The video of James Foley’s execution may have been staged, with the actual murder taking place off-camera, it has emerged.
..a study of the four-minute 40-second clip, carried out by an international forensic science company which has worked for police forces across Britain, suggested camera trickery and slick post-production techniques appear to have been used.
Both articles quote what they say is clear evidence of staging. The Telegraph says “there appears to be a blip” in James Foley’s speech, which suggests the scene had been cut and re-shot, maybe for a fluffed line. An anonymous “forensic analyst” is quoted in both sources as saying:
After enhancements, the knife can be seen to be drawn across the upper neck at least six times, with no blood evidence to the point the picture fades to black,
An “expert”, also unnamed, alleges:
I think it has been staged. My feeling is that the execution may have happened after the camera was stopped.
Though the company who did the analysis was careful to add:
No one is disputing that at some point an execution occurred.
This “conspiracy theory” of the kind normally relegated to the outermost fringes of alt media, was repeatedly floated over the ensuing months in the mainest of mainstream outlets. Not just the Times and the Telegraph, but Fox News, which ran this piece on a different ISIS snuff vid in January 2015:
ISIS’ army of 7-footers? Experts say video of Copt beheadings manipulated
Video of 21 Egyptian Coptic Christians being marched along a Libyan beach before being beheaded by black-clad members of ISIS is hard for any civilized person to watch, but experts who made it through the sickening, five-minute clip told FoxNews.com Friday they came to the same conclusion: The footage was faked…
…several anomalies in the video, which was posted online Feb. 15, indicated to trained eyes that at least some of the production was done on “green screen” with background added later, perhaps to disguise the real location of the atrocity. A day after the clip went viral, Egyptian warplanes struck hard at an eastern port city near Tripoli, where the video appeared to have been shot.
Again, Fox was careful to point out the murders themselves were real – just not done on camera. The narrative coalescing though these various pieces was that ISIS had somehow acquired sophisticated green screen equipment and other movie-making paraphernalia, together with the expertise to use them, and was making fake videos of beheadings, before executing its victims for real later, off-camera.
Fox quoted one Veryan Kahn, an “editorial director of the Florida-based Terrorism Research and Analysis Consortium” as saying:
The Islamic State’s manipulation of their high-production videos has become commonplace. The murders likely took place in a studio, and the background image shown was likely from another location, the Bay in Sirte, a part of the Mediterranean Sea on the northern coast of Libya.
“Hollywood horror film director” Mary Lambert was also quoted by Fox as saying:
The shot that seems really tampered with is the one with the really tall Jihadists and the dwarf Christians. The close-ups of Jihadists on the beach are most likely green screen.
How much of this can we believe?
Two questions seem to arise from this strange situation.
1) Why on earth have the normally very un-curious and obedient mainstream media been drawing attention to what amounts to a glaring anomaly in the official ISIS narrative?
2) Is the claim that ISIS makes fake videos but then actually kills its victims off-camera plausible?
The first question is mired in the hopeless confusion inherent in propaganda and counter-propaganda. There’s certainly a suggestion that the Foley video presented problems for the official narrative shortly after its release, since, in a move designed to dissuade people from watching it, Scotland Yard was wheeled out to announce “viewing, downloading or disseminating the video within the UK might constitute a criminal offence under terrorism legislation.” Perhaps the video was seen to be so badly faked some sort of limited hangout admission in the controlled press was unavoidable.
Most mainstream analysts have, fairly predictably, found the “official” explanation of these apparent anomalies entirely plausible, though, equally predictably, some in the alternative news community have been less sanguine. 21st Century Wire described both the Foley video and the Steven Sotloff beheading video as
nothing more than crudely constructed propaganda videos, designed to start a new war at home, and abroad.
The article points to what it says are peculiarities in Foley’s career resumé which might imply he had been some form of intelligence asset.
…In 2009, just three years before his capture in Syria, Foley worked for CIA front organization USAID, apparently working on ‘development projects’ in Baghdad. In 2011, he “moved to Libya” where he was promptly kidnapped by NATO-backed Islamist fighters and held for over a month.
Then in 2012, Foley landed a gig with an unusual Boston-based, online media outlet called GlobalPost. With no visible advertising and a membership subscription base in the hundreds, somehow GlobalPost manages to pay for up to 65 foreign correspondents, sending their reporters as eyes and ears on the ground in hot spots like Syria. The answer to this puzzle comes in the form of a handful of elite US foundation, quietly injecting millions of dollars into their GlobalPost operation. They include the Ford Foundation, the Kaiser Family Foundation, the Open Hands Initiative, The Henry Luce Foundation, The Bake Family Trust, The Correspondents Fund and the Galloway Family Foundation….
Whatever we make of this allegedly murky history, the entire issue with the potentially faked snuff films is just one of numerous weirdnesses in the ISIS narrative. Not much of which can pass detailed, or even cursory, analysis (why, for example, does ISIS seem to release its questionable videos exclusively through a US/Israeli-intelligence linked organisation called SITE? )
But then, hard facts – real, solid, old-fashioned, non-social media hard facts – about ISIS are amazingly difficult to come by.
What is “ISIS”?
If we strip away all the layers of hype – the photos, the videos, the column inches, the “expert” analyses crammed with assumptions, the fear porn headlines, we’re left with very little solid data beyond the fact there is a group located in Iraq and Syria, of indeterminate size (estimates can vary wildly), calling itself at various different times “ISIS”, or “ISIL” or “Islamic State”, or “Daesh”, or any other of a dozen other monikers and acronyms.
The group is claimed to have been founded in the late 1990s as an offshoot from al Qaeda, though little was heard about it in western media before the second decade of the present century.
In June 2014 it allegedly proclaimed a “Caliphate” across the territories it controls, though exactly where those territories are and how extensive or connected they may be seems surprisingly difficult to pin down. There are plenty of maps on offer, but much dispute over what they actually show. Is ISIS territory getting bigger or smaller? Even the BBC doesn’t seem to know. Does it have 20,00 fighters? Or more than 50,000 fighters? Or over 100,000 fighters? Depends who you ask.
In the chaotic war zones of Iraq and Syria all such estimates seem to be more guesswork, rumour and myth than fact, particularly when “ISIS” can morph into the FSA or al Qaeda and back again simply by the proclamation of any “source” the western media deems reliable.
In terms of its physical presence on the ground ISIS is all but indistinguishable from al Qaeda, al Nusra, the Mujahideen and all the rest of the western-backed terror networks/proxy armies currently in place in the Middle East and other areas of strategic sensitivity.
What sets ISIS apart is not hard fact, but the gigantic PR machine that pushes its name, its declarations, its agenda in the world media. Nine tenths of what constitutes “ISIS” in the popular mind is not anything directly connected with that ill-defined and fluid band of mercenaries/jihadists.
In fact, you might say there are really two versions of ISIS. One the poorly documented fighting force of indeterminate size. The other the massive brand saturation “ISIS” of media legend. And even while the barest hard facts about real ISIS on the ground seem impossibly mired in contradiction, so the media version of ISIS becomes ever more detailed, elaborate, bizarre and sometimes simply ridiculous.
This “media ISIS” is defined almost entirely by memes and iconography. A borrowed and rebranded flag, a succession of liminal “leaders” one of whom allegedly died at least three separate times (in 2003, in 2005 and again a year after that), and another of whom has been alleged to have never existed at all.A video front man whose pseudonym is a tabloid headline.
“Media ISIS” has a business portfolio Goldman Sachs would admire, and the kind of reach SMERSH could only dream of. It runs a billion dollar oil empire that can’t be stopped, a multi-million dollar artefact smuggling business that can’t be tracked, witnessed or halted, keeps a vast fortune in western banks that can’t be traced, runs movie studios and social media campaigns from locations that can’t be bombed.
“Media ISIS” has a “human resources” department for recruiting its oil-drilling workforce, offers “competitive salaries” to scientists and experts, which is how it manages to keep its rigs pumping “40,000 barrels per day”. Does ISIS pay these professionals in the shiny new ISIS money it’s started minting? (because, of course, the global financial market just doesn’t exist in this little alternative universe and terrorist currencies have value by merely existing, even if no nation in the world accepts them). Maybe it’s the glossy end of year reports that lure in so many would-be employees? But then “media ISIS” is a law unto itself even on Twitter. Heck, it can even create its own Android app and sell it through Google.
No, really, the Indy told us…
The tower of stupid grows so high and rickety it’s quite easy to believe there’s a focus group somewhere churning out these publicity pieces, thinking “ok, how far can we take this crap before people refuse to bite?”
And the answer would seem to be – as far as you want to go, boys.
Nothing up to this point has proved too ridiculous for public consumption. Not even when it’s proved to be a bit of a lie. Like the “destruction of ancient artefacts…” which turned out to be copies (though as with the vids, there was someone on hand to say “other” smashed statues were the real deal). Or the bogus “Caliphate map” claiming to show ISIS’ “five year plan” to take over the western world, that had people everywhere wetting themselves with dread.
It looks like this franchise could run and run. Baghdadi is Emmanuel Goldstein on speed! Oceania will be at war with these tricky dickies until the end of time. Watch out for future blockbusters such as ISIS’ first satellite launch, ISIS goes to the Moon, ISIS takes over Disneyland and murders Mickey Mouse. On video. With a complementary Android app and total media meltdown. All to be spoon fed into our gawping open mouths with nary a gag or a dribble.
Don’t we need to call this?
Too few people – even in the alt media – seem to be focusing on the sheer bogusness of the “media ISIS” story. While there are plenty of articles pointing out that ISIS is likely funded by western treasure, there are few pointing out that meanie terrorist caliphates who are the declared enemy of the entire western world don’t get to market Android apps through major western corporations, or invest their money in major western banks, unless it suits a lot of well-connected people that they should. Are we forgetting how the real world really works? Where is our scepticism? Come to that where is our sense of the ridiculous?
Let’s just try for a reality check. The real ISIS is closer to a gang of sociopaths, mercenaries, deluded would-be suiciders and intelligence agents, than some sort of comic book COBRA with its fingers in a thousand pies. Real ISIS won’t be taking over the world, or Europe or even all of Syria any time soon, because hired mercenaries and nutcases don’t do that unless their paymasters want them to, and they don’t. The US doesn’t want real ISIS to take over anything. It just wants destroyed infrastructure, and failed states, and lots of lovely chaos, and mercs/nutcases are good for all of that.
Real ISIS is fighting a war on several fronts in hostile conditions, and we can be pretty sure it has little time or organisational ability for industrial strength oil production, professional grade snuff films, the setting up of human resources departments, the minting of pretty gold coinage, or the creation of Android apps. Because again, ad hoc bands of mercenaries don’t do that. These things are either being outsourced to their US/Saudi chums, or are simply being made up, wholesale, in pursuit of more and better fear porn for a populace that has lost the ability to think critically.
Which brings us back to those videos. Think about it. Do you seriously believe ISIS the mercenary jihadist Caliphate, likes to act out its murder sprees on camera first, complete with green screen and post-production editing, before offing their unfortunate victims later in private?
Seriously?
I think this question is as important, maybe even more important, than who is funding the proxy war in Syria and Iraq, because it touches on something even the most cynical of us tend to consider still sacred. We know the media lies in service of wealth and power, but we are loth to believe that lying might extend to wholesale, absolute invention. That we’re sometimes being fed fake news about non-existent events is something we are all reluctant to contemplate as a bare possibility.
But if evidence is mounting that such things really do occur, how long can we afford to ignore it? The alleged fake ISIS videos have to be seen in the context of increased blurring between fiction and reality in so-called news reporting. The worrying possibility of wholesale deception or manipulation by the BBC in its documentary Saving Syria’s Children, and other recent bizarre examples of seemingly blatant fiction presented as reality, require some response from us.
It’s a difficult issue. But if we don’t address it we are in danger of willingly surrendering our critical thinking. And once we give that up we’ve truly lost everything that makes us human.
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Those interested in developing their own critical assessment of ‘Islamic State’ may be interested in reading the draft of a book I’m working on: So you think “Jihadi John” is Mohammed Emwazi?: Lessons in Emotional Deception’. The PDF is available here: http://businessofemotions.org/2015/04/19/so-you-think-jihadi-john-is-mohammed-emwazi-lessons-in-emotional-deception/
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Thank you for that more food for thought ,, thank you to all posters . I offer this … There are two ways to be fooled . One is to believe what isn’t true , the other is to refuse to accept what is true . All i know is an awful lot of people are working over time to keep us in fear and the middle east is being crushed while we watch . This is all one stinking pile of propaganda spin from MSN and alt news . So keep a diserning eye on all and put on your thinking cap when stuff happens . Be positive , listen to all , follow none . tc all .
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If you don’t mind, I have some meaningful critique regarding this op-ed: “1) Why on earth have the normally very un-curious and obedient mainstream media been drawing attention to what amounts to a glaring anomaly in the official ISIS narrative?” This was one of the first major Western hostage killing videos released by ISIS, so intelligence officers had to analyze the video closely, including the background, man speaking, accent, changes in narrators, skin colour and other physical characteristics of the killer, INCLUDING any anomalies. They found one such anomaly, which was obvious to anyone who watched the video, as it was very noticeable fading. I saw the video, and the fade out was quite long, certainly not 1 or 2 frames. “There’s certainly a suggestion that the Foley video presented problems for the official narrative shortly after its release, …. Perhaps the video was seen to be so badly faked… Read more »
Thank you Wetherfether. I’ll deal with your points in order. 1. The allegedly manipulated video. You offer a lot of verbiage that doesn’t really go anywhere, so let’s cut to the chase – Are you saying you find it quite believable ISIS would fake video of atrocities before committing the same atrocities for real off camera? 2.The image you post. What is this graphic? How do you see it as offering any kind of information about the jihadist/non-jihadist terrorist groups in the ME? Who produced this graphic? Based on what information? What does it mean? How can it be said to refute the evidence that there are few to no moderate or secular “rebels” in Syria? 3. Your claim ISIS did not sell its apps through Google Play. Sorry, not so. I already went into that in a previous article. According to the Atlantic “Hundreds of users have signed up… Read more »
Thank you for responding Ms. Catte. This was the first Western hostage killing video they released and it is the only one in which they fade out the murder. If you think it is suspicious that they did not do the fading in/out in subsequent videos, just remember this was their first video. so it is likely they “improved” their propaganda technique later on. If you still think there are no secular/moderate rebel groups in Syria, even after Russia has openly stated they helped in fighting ISIS (/www.rt.com/news/321563-syria-opposition-russia-base/ and also http://www.rt.com/news/321820-putin-interview-syria-g20/), then I’m sorry, but you aren’t too well informed. As for the image, it was created by a member of the syrianicivilwar subreddit. They are actively involved in following the civil war and have more knowledge on the groups than 99% of journalists covering the war. Check out their subreddit, it’s pretty cool. Some even know rebels and live… Read more »
Sorry about the formatting. I numbered each of my points like you, but for some strange reason,after I posted it, the numbers and spacing were removed. Sorry.
1.You seem very confused about the ISIS video question. It might help if you read the sources in the article, where it’s all explained. Put simply, these various experts claim the vids are faked, not just “faded out.” Does that help? 2.Thanks for telling me the provenance of that image. I’m puzzled how much value you think should attach to a computerised drawing devoid of sources and context. 3.I’m not sure you grasp the interconnectedness of modern financial organisations,nor the impossibility of making billions on the oil market without the co-operation of global commercial and banking interests. Are you saying ISIS keeps its billions in “local” Syrian banks? With the co-operation of the Assad government? Does that seem likely to you? 4.I appreciate your willingness to believe but I’m afraid a small group of ad hoc jihadists forming an infrastructure sophisticated and well-funded enough to organise currency-minuting (and trading?) oil-production… Read more »
1.You are using vague language here. The experts say the video was staged, not “faked”. This means, they pretended to start killing him in the video, but actually killed him afterwards and then showed his head. Again, for their first video, I don’t see what all the fuss is about. You were making claims that some sort of Western intelligence agency faked the videos, and then mass-controlled the media to point out the flaws once it became obvious the videos were “faked”. You offer zero evidence of these claims. Please provide evidence for this; otherwise, it is simply rambling speculation. 2.I’m afraid here is nothing that will satisfy you. What is your expected burden of proof? What exactly are you looking for as proof? If I show you NGO documents, you’ll probably say they’re government-controlled puppets or something. Ditto for news agencies whose information disagrees with your own. Again, please… Read more »
Catte aid: 1.You seem very confused about the ISIS video question. It might help if you read the sources in the article, where it’s all explained. Put simply, these various experts claim the vids are faked, not just “faded out.” Does that help? Your reply was: 1.You are using vague language here. The experts say the video was staged, not “faked”. This means, they pretended to start killing him in the video, but actually killed him afterwards and then showed his head. Again, for their first video, I don’t see what all the fuss is about.You were making claims that some sort of Western intelligence agency faked the videos, and then mass-controlled the media to point out the flaws…….etc etc… As you can see, your reply has nothing whatsoever to do with my very short and not at all “vague” comment, so I can’t meaningfully respond. I’m not the one… Read more »
Before responding to what you said, I would like to point out that you selectively responded to my accusations and ignored others, such as Google removing the ISIS app, among other things. Please respond to those as well. I showed that your outrage at Google helping ISIS is baseless. 1.”The idea I’m claiming some sort of mass-hypnosis, conspiracy…blah-blah is just you resorting to tropes to avoid dealing with the reality of my words. I’m sorry, but I have absolutely no idea what to do with your bizarre suggestion that a video of a staged event claiming to be of a real event is somehow not fake” But you are claiming there is a mass conspiracy. From your op-ed: “The first question is mired in the hopeless confusion inherent in propaganda and counter-propaganda. There’s certainly a suggestion that the Foley video presented problems for the official narrative shortly after its release,… Read more »
I’ve already read all the articles you have linked to so far, and the ref to Google taking down the ISIS app after complaints was in a previous article of mine. I’m afraid you really aren’t telling me anything I don’t know. Please don’t be offended if I point out that this intervention of yours is obviously not going as you planned it. It’s pretty clear you came here thinking you’d be bearding some loony conspiracy theorists in their den and make mincemeat of them with you hard-nosed scepticism. Instead you’ve had to face the fact that you are the one nursing a conspiracy theory, and a highly contradictory one at that. You are very fuzzy about the nature of hard evidence and keep sending me to all the unsourced claims made in the media as if you think the mere fact they exist is some sort of proof. You… Read more »
I have to reply to myself, as for some strange reason, the “reply” button is absent from your below post to me. “None of the articles you cite explain how these things can be done, they simply assert that they are being done. You uncritically regurgitate the more or less irrational world they create and seem to believe you are making some sort of case. It’s very very odd to witness.” The Newsweek article I gave absolutely does show how ISIS does what it does, and is not merely a description of what it does. It explains how they make money, how they transfer the money, who gives them money, etc. I believe you are simply ignoring the plain evidence. Not much I can do about that. “You have no trouble believing the US can’t find a movie studio or a 6km convoy of trucks in the desert, yet you… Read more »
Did you believe the White House was destroyed in Indepenence Day, an evil asteroid obliterated in Armageddon, velociraptors threatening children in Jurassic Park? ISIS is pure Hollywoood, elaborate sets, cast of (foolish) thousands and some real deaths. A brilliant PR play by the CIA – think Hurt Locker and Zero Dark Thirty – and Mossad pulling the strings. It’s real but unreal, like Hitler’s Kristallnacht. It’s happenning but not the way you are shown. But it’s only business, not ideology.
Welcome, mes amis, to the hyperreal, reality as simulation, and the precession of simulacra.
In my fairly extensive library of ISIS videos (I watch them for the purposes of satire, especially in regard to my comic strip), I have several which make even the “Jihadi John” ones look realistic, they’re so theatrical. But there are others which are extremely gruesome and graphic – and those never, ever, bother with such things as orange jumpsuits and the victims reading out carefully rehearsed lines. The killers are dressed like any other common- or market jihadi, with or without covered faces, the murders take place on camera with much larger knives than the Jihadi John toothpick, and there’s no fancy editing or cutaways. At the same time, the basic problem with ISIS is that as a marketing brand it has become too successful, too well known, too much of a magnet to sociopathic crazies who are looking for a cause. This will probably require an article to… Read more »
Please do. Analysing the ISIS meme in as many ways as possible is essential right now
Here you are:
http://bill-purkayastha.blogspot.com/2015/11/the-marketing-of-isis-as-global-brand.html
Please feel free to republish if you so desire.
Syrian Girl on ISIS.
Or the bogus “Caliphate map” claiming to show ISIS’ “five year plan” to take over the western world, that had people everywhere wetting themselves with dread. Take over the “western world”? There is very little territory of the “western world” included on the ISIS map. I live in a country which is actually on the ISIS map – Slovenia. To Slovenes with some basic knowledge of history and basic skills of critical thinking, it is perfectly clear what this map shows in relation to Europe (and in particular to the Balkan region). And we and our neighbours do take this map quite seriously, not due to any ‘conspiracy theories’, but rather due to the ISIS ideology as linked to history – and we have seen (and see now) similar destructive populist ideologies in action too many times in our part of the world. The ISIS five-year map was published at… Read more »
I don’t see much value in citing the NYT as evidence of the reality of the ISIS media story! Let’s be clear. ISIS the terrorist organisation and ISIS the media image are only loosely connected. The purpose of ISIS on the ground is to fight proxy wars for the US and to create chaos. The purpose of media ISIS is to create such fear of the name “ISIS” that the populations accept any remedies offered to “keep them safe.” It’s a tried and trusted methodology that began with the First Crusade. I have yet to see any firm evidence the real ISIS has ambitions for a Caliphate that have the slightest chance of being realised. What I see plenty of evidence for is absurd narratives aimed at implanting a state of terror that shuts down critical thinking. Even if real ISIS did go rogue and decide to invade Europe, how… Read more »
What mad little parallel universe are you living in? Is THIS what Off Guardian is all about? Personal insults aimed at people with ‘wrong’ opinions? Unfortunately, I live in the REAL universe in which very BAD things happen much too often in our part of the world, on our doorsteps. Where many different nations with different cultures, languages, religions, histories live close together. In the region in which for many centuries there was a stand-off between the Muslim East and the Christian West, with dire very long-term consequences. You say “This isn’t 1529, 0r 1683. This is 2015 and nothing happens in Europe without the US wants it to.” Do you really think that the deep national scars which centuries-long occupation and mutual massacres left are healed and not relevant today or even that the US can control (!) such deep collective emotions? The problem is that (1) The US… Read more »
I’m really not sure what your point is, as it seem to keep shifting. If you’re saying the US is willing to create any amount of mayhem to further its aims then I agree. It doesn’t care about the morality or even the sanity of those it supports and finances. But earlier you seemed to be suggesting ISIS was aiming at a wholesale invasion of parts of Europe (based on the bogus “Caliphate Map”). This is indeed a parallel universe scare story promoted in the western media, and not any kind of real world scenario. You say: “…no need for panicking. And I certainly do not agree with the hysterical propaganda in the US/UK media. But we should respond to the threat rather than underestimate it….” Forgive me, but your logic seems to curl back on itself. You agree ISIS is a western creation, agree the image of ISIS in… Read more »
Thank you both for intelligent discussion. I take in your words carefully and to me it matters less whether one of you is right than that you are both sentient as opposed to the NATO-apparatchiks that fill the “media”.
I was willing to give you the benefit of doubt until this point which clearly shows your lack of understanding of history: “Slovenes were also the first to stand up against Milošević’s increasing aggression in Yugoslavia in late 1980s (when Milošević was still supported by both the ‘west’ and the ‘east’ = Russia).” Excuse me, Milosevic increasing aggression in the late 1980’s? Let’s get one thing strait, Milosevic was a bastard psychopath, but it was the Slovenians and Nazi Croats who instigated the separation that led to wars. In the early 90’s not late 80’s. Nobody attacked Slovenia. Slovenia’s and Croatia’s undemocratic separation is precisely what gave Milosevic power as the foolish Serbs were confused and turned to nationalism. And Milosevic was not supported by the West or Russia at any point. He was simply a psycho mad man who was used by the west to break up Yugoslavia. And… Read more »
Interesting take on Milosevic. Maybe you’d care to add a bit about Izetbegovic and Tudjman and throw in some history of the Ustase and Bosnian Muslim escapades during WWII while you’re at it, just to round out the nationalism cards you’ve played. Some background on how the Lisbon Accord was torpedoed with US blessing might gain you some credibility as well. Just a thought.
That said, If ISIS happens to swallow your little country up, just by chance, maybe you’ll have just enough time to ponder your country’s inadvertent role in the process.
The “Saudis” and the ISIS / ISIL/ ISI / AQI reconfiguration of Sykes-Picot
https://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=295638
The usual Kabbalistic events scheduling.
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Excellent analysis!
I think the next place the western elite and its media will go with ISIS is to accuse Russia of turning ISIS to their own purposes. Then both ISIS and especially Russia can be demonised with accusations of all kinds of atrocities coming our way at Russia’s bidding. The thing is it’s possible Russia will turn ISIS to attack US interests in the Middle East; the US has the disadvantage of occasionally bombing ISIS for public relations reasons, and to kill your own is the worst betrayal. So the liars may have that element of truth to fall back on, and an element of truth always serves the big lie.
Agree with the first part. Though I’m not sure the US has ever actually bombed ISIS. Is there any independent evidence for that?
Uh, is this a joke or something? Of course the U.S. has bombed ISIS. As for independent evidence, what kind of evidence do you want? Photos of U.S. war planes bombing ISIS? Videos from drones? They are readily available on line.
But then you’ll say “oh, but how do we know they’re actually bombing ISIS and not a fake, CGI building”. LOL.
But you probably believe the Russians have bombed ISIS, even if I used the SAME evidence to prove it.
Well, after 12 month s of the US allegedly bombing ISIS, it had suffered no discernible loss of revenue or infrastructure and had only gained ground. After a few weeks of Russia bombing ISIS it is in disarray and is losing ground. So you do the math.
We also remind you of the numerous incidents in which the US has either thwarted attempts to attack ISIS (as when it assisted Turkey in attacking the Kurdish forces), inexplicably failed to intervene against ISIS (as in the taking of Palmyra), or been discovered to be bombing Syrian government infrastructure while claiming to be attacking ISIS.
Firstly, U.S. airstrikes not doing enough damage to ISIS is NOT the same as them not doing any bombing at all, as Ms. Catte bizarrely stated. Secondly, how do we know that “after a few weeks of Russia bombing ISIS it is in disarray and is losing ground”? What I mean is, how exactly do we compare the damage done by America with the damage done by Russia? Turkey bombed the PKK, not the U.S.A. As for “assistance”, well, it was simply permission. I’m not saying the U.S. was right in doing this, but they have to balance the geopolitical board. If they anger Turkey, they’ll lose access to air bases. Keep in mind, the Turkey was allowed to bomb the PKK AFTER it gave permission to the U.S. to use its air bases to attack ISIS. This was a tactic deal between Turkey and the U.S., and the U.S.… Read more »
The point is not that the US bombing campaign “was not effective”, it’s that it was counter-effective. ISIS gained ground while the US was bombing. Is this why so many observers accuse the US of bombing Syrian infrastructure under the guise of attacking ISIS?
I already explained why the U.S. bombing campaign was not effective, at the end of my post: “Now, the biggest reason as to why the U.S. bombing campaign was not effective is quite simple: no boots on the ground. There is no way for them to identify targets other than through drones, which isn’t nearly as effective. Also, nobody can call in U.S. air strikes from the ground against ISIS, except for the Kurds. This is why the Russians are winning: they have the SAA, Hezbollah, and Iran’s Revolutionary Guards.” As for the infrastructure bombing, there was only one example I found. It was, as I previously mentioned, the Aleppo power station. I already explained why the Americans bombed it: “you should understand that they did it because ISIS had control over it. Also: “[T]he agreement of understanding pertains to the division of the electricity supply between the parties, whereby… Read more »
Remind me – how does bombing a major Syrian power station affect the fighting capabilities of ISIS?
A curious point – the Americans treated ISIS oil convoys with kiddie gloves, dropping warning leaflets at least twenty minutes before the bombing commenced. I’d be interested to know whether they dropped leaflets on the power station before bombing it.
I fail to see your point. Whether or not the U.S. has managed to bomb ISIS in those thousands of sorties it claims to have flown, one can only assume that it’s done its best to micromanage its campaign with pin pricks, and becoming a dismal failure in the process. Playing the useful idiot for Turkish, Saudi and Qatari interests is not my idea of projecting an effective foreign policy in the Middle East. So have it your way, the U.S. has bombed ISIS, in a sorry effort to show it still has a modicum of independence from the ISIS supporting tails that so effectively are wagging its dog.
It is a fact that once Russia started destroying hundreds of IS-owned oil tanker trucks in Syria, on 19 Nov. 2015, the US was forced to stage a bombing run in which it allegedly hit 116 trucks — 45 minutes after warning the drivers to run away, of course. The Pentagon spokesman told a news conference with a straight face that the reason the bombers didn’t destroy all 300 trucks (and IS convoys are usually much longer) was because they ran out of ammo. http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/byron-york-u.s.-ran-out-of-ammo-in-attack-on-isis-trucks/article/2576958 By this time, Russia had destroyed around 2000 trucks, but they weren’t as considerate of the drivers, and they made sure to load their bombers with bombs before they took off. <> Another fact about the fake US war against IS is that the current leader, Ibrahim al-Badri, who uses the nom de guerre Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, was a guest of the US military at… Read more »
No we’re not fucking idiots. People like wetherfether my be though. Voluntary trolls and naive propaganda-regurtitators often are; utter F-Is. The paid ones, not so much, perhaps. But still trolls and propagandists, to be discounted roughly 99%. Mostly 100%, even.
Sorry, that should be ‘regurgitators’.
ISIS videos are Hollywood on steroids !!
Its all done to suit a short sighted CIA purpose which ‘seemed like a good idea at the time’ but now Russia went & f*kked the US storyline………..
So they’re not really dead after all? Unfortunately, this is the first step in humanising ISIS now Russia is bombing them.
It seems the US propaganda machine, and its big gob -the corporate nerdia- have gone so far round the twist they think they can make us believe head-lopping lunatic ISIS has morphed into to lovable, cuddly ISIS, all moderate and friendly. Seems it was one big wheeze all along. Putin’s evil vampire army is now trying to slaughter these cheeky young lads, who have only been up in Lapland all this time, helping Santa and his elves whittle wooden toys for Christmas orphans.
It’s going to take a lot more coke than even the CIA can get their grubby hands on for the neo-cons to snort themselves into the delusion they’ve pulled this one off. Surely?
Thanks for another great piece.
Good on yer, Catte! I’ve been suspecting this ‘wholesale invention’ idea for some years now. In fact to me it seems fairly obvious. But then, as the sort of person who belongs to Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, I’ve been confident for some years now that the official 9/11 fairy-tale is utter bunkum, with the false-flag hypothesis being by far the odds-on front-runner for the real story; and to my mind the Osama-killed-by-SEALs-in-Abbottabad stunt was likely a blatant fake as well. So I’m already very used to the idea that the Big Lie technique is alive and well and thriving in the USukiznato-axis states, particularly in the US itself. Lately, though, it’s become pretty clear that the ability to fake Hollyshite-style horror videos to good professional standards has become widespread, and technically fluent. Also the utter, spineless obedience of the West’s lamestream media to the requirements of the power… Read more »
I suspect many people will be re-evaluating 9/11 in light of recent revelations and developments. I know my views have evolved dramatically since watching the media coverage of the Maidan. It suddenly became impossible to ignore both the insane extent of US ambition and the complete emasculation and “dumbening” of the press. It was watching some smiling imbecile reporter on the BBC saying happily that the Maidan was about to be exported to Crimea that was a cathartic moment for me. Not only did it show the neocons were literally both stupid and insane, but that this BBC fool had no clue about the political realities he’d been put on camera to “report.” He was predicting WW3 and didn’t have a clue that was what he was doing. That and the degree of Stalinist misinformation unleashed by the supposedly anti-establishment Guardian made it unavoidably clear to me what kind of… Read more »
‘We’ve entered an era where it is not crazy to assess news events to see if they are real or not real…in fact it’s kind of crazy not to’. Naomi Wolf 2014 I think that we abandoned critical thinking back in 2001. We were collectively traumatised and repeatedly told not to question what we were being sold about what we had just all just witnessed. Anyone who studies the psychology of trauma and the techniques of suggestion will, I think, agree with the significance of this aspect of what went on in the aftermath of the attack. It is easy to forget the level of the fear fest back then that was unlike what had gone before – a kind of hysteria that has become normalised now in mainstream media output. At the same time, the years have lessened the effect of the emotional shock of it all, so more… Read more »
Superbly said, all of it. You could have mentioned that ISIS themselves have, through their publication ‘Dabiq’, criticised ‘conspiracy theories’ and the community of ‘truthers’ who dare to question the veracity of the mediaverse. Here is Corbett: That brings on in me the bizarre tragicomic grimaced laughter that is perhaps unique to our times. I think it would be a strange omission if no comment below this piece drew attention to this except: Are we forgetting how the real world really works? Where is our scepticism? Come to that where is our sense of the ridiculous? …and apply it to the initiating event of the Global War on Terror. The trick for the illusionists is to try and make sure few people cross that threshold of scepticism and questioning -at least publicly. It is a threshold either way, as once critical thinking is abandoned, the technique can be repeated, the… Read more »
Marvellous link, thank you Mog. Not sure how we missed this gem.
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