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The 2nd referendum “petition” is wide open to fraud

The UK Parliament online petition for a second referendum, currently containing upwards of a million alleged signatures is open to almost unlimited fraud, and likely worthless.

Although we might assume such a potentially significant petition would be subject to at least basic checks on identity to prevent fake identities and duplication, one of our own frequent researchers can confirm this is not true, and he has sent us the screen caps to prove it.

The researcher, who does live in the UK, signed the petition twice today, within minutes, from the same computer, using fake names and email addresses designed for the purpose. The only test of his ID was a simple checkbox that asked if he was a UK citizen. He was not asked to provide a street address, or any proof of ID. He gave two different – and false – postcodes, one in Manchester and one in the West Country. This is a screen shot of the two confirmatory email he received after each of these attempts…

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He apparently made no attempt to conceal what he was doing. He did not use a proxy IP or any other means to cloak his origins. He tells us even the names he used were blatantly fabricated. Yet as you can see they were both accepted without question.

It seems that all you need in order to be eligible to sign this petition is access to the internet. You can sign up as many times as you like, with as many names as you like, and the only limit is how many fake email addresses you can be bothered to create.

This raises obvious questions about the alleged “thousands” or even “millions” of signatures claimed in outlets such as the BBC and the Guardian. It’s reasonable to ask how many of these alleged signatories were verified as real people, and reasonable to assume, on what we know so far, that none of them have been. it’s also reasonable to ask why no journalists at the Beeb or Graun are asking these questions.

Our independent experiment seems to offer some support to the ongoing open source investigations in various places online, all of which raise serious doubts about the nature of and intent behind this petition.

Interesting times…

36 Comments

  1. You don’t need to create email addresses. If you own a domain, say scam.com you can set up email to any scam.com email to redirect to another address. Hence you can create as many as you want

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    • indeed you can. Plus there are scripts available to “create” thousands of temp email addresses and automatically reply to the confirmatory emails.

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  2. Brian Harry, Australia says

    Having another referendum because the first one came up with a result that didn’t suit the “Rich”, is like replaying a Premier League football game because the rich owners of the club didn’t like being beaten be a team that scored more goals……………

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  3. The Gordian Knot says

    Many on social media are claiming that the amendment in the rules of the EU referendum called for in the petition can’t be implemented since retroactive amendment of legislation has no legal basis. Can anyone verify if this is true?. I conducted a brief search and found that it appears retroactive legislation could potentially be applied through the principle of ‘Parlimentary Supremacy’, or a body such as the House of Lords acting as a ‘Superior Court’?. I’m aware that the referendum it’s self is voluntary, not binary, and as such could be over-ruled by Parliment but could these rules be retroactively enforced?.

    With division in both the Conservative and Labour Parties and the mounting pressure on Jeremy Corbyn to step down might we see a snap General election called before article 50 is implemented?. Further, If Labour were to get voted in might we see a pro EU faction attempt to drive through a second EU referendum.

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  4. Oh, flew in from Liberia Beach D.O.A.
    Got to a hospital bed last night
    All the way this ebola bug was in my pee
    Man I was a dreadful sight

    I’m back in the E.U.S.S.R.
    You don’t know how lucky you are… boy
    Back in the EU, back in the EU,
    Back in the E.U.S.S.R.

    Those great debts really knock me out
    They kick the West’s behind
    Angela’s blubbery cellulite is hanging out
    That EU troika is always on my, my, my mind

    Take me to Carpathian Mountains way down South
    Let me foreclose your daddy’s farm
    All the way the bankers’ hands are reaching out
    Come and grease your comrade’s palm

    I’m back in the E.U.S.S.R.
    You don’t know how lucky you are… boy
    Back in the EU, back in the EU,
    Back in the E.U.S.S.R.

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  5. sean55 says

    A joke – full of fake signatures from god knows where.
    I can see it now. “Err, hang on Mr Juncker sir, we’re thinking of having a re-run as the referendum somewhat clashed with Glastonbury and taking selfies for twitter and snapchat and to be honest, we weren’t fully aware of it’s significance…like.”
    “Ooops, soo sorry… just a bit longer, it’s tied at one all and now we’re having a best of three.”
    Try this and millions will march on parliament. Like the poll tax riots, only a hundred times bigger. Anger and civil unrest like you wouldn’t believe.

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  6. i signed a petition to have 23rd as a holiday and they sent me an email to confirm and i did. Then they sent me another email to confirm my name on the 2nd eu ref petition! I didnt even put my email in this petition. They sent me the email illegally in hope i would click the link..its a scam and its disgusting! They use emails illegally!

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    • Stu73 says

      Someone’s signed up using your email and details in the hope you’d click the link thus validating the signature on the petition. Another dirty trick.

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  7. Jenny says

    I just voted from California. Anyone can vote if they lie about being a UK resident. I found a nice postal code from the Cotswolds in a couple seconds. It’s silly. Why are people taking this seriously?

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      • Jenny says

        I am specifically talking about the online petition, which is obviously full of invalid signatures. If they collect 3 million verified signatures by hand, THEN it should be taken seriously. This online petition is a joke.

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        • Actually, Jenny, this just speaks to the highly democratic character of Britain and its establishment. It (they, the rich, the Bank of England, the Corporation of British Industry, etc.,) know that whatever policies they decide to implement, be it domestic or foreign, it affects people globally. Therefore, being the good democrats that they are, they thought, “why not let everybody have their say, even the North Koreans?” So there ‘we’ have it. Personally, I don’t see what all the fuss is about. It’s not as if this petition will be binding on parliament, and certainly no more than the referendum was. But at least it was democratically more inclusive than the referendum was, all in the spirit of international togetherness and peace and love and all of that . . .

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  8. They weed them out afterwards. It happened with the Trump one. You will see periods where it goes down dramatically. Breitbart did that too so another group tried it and went back and noticed the numbers went down not up

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  9. Nuid says

    This petition is a con-job. How can anyone or any Government “implement” a rule that doesn’t exist?? They’d have to make the rule first and then “implement” it — for future referendums. It would have no effect at all on the current situation, and certainly wouldn’t trigger a second referendum.

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  10. mahatmacoatmabag says

    I see that the well funded Project Fear campaign has launched its counter-offensive with an on-line petition for a 2nd referendum . I have news for the Remainiac traitors , Hitler rolled the dice & gambled on the Ardennes offensive ( the Battle of the Bulge ) saving Germany from losing the war , threw in all of Germanys reserves of tanks, planes & artillery but lost because it was already too late to win the war. The Remainiac desperate offensive will fail in similar fashion because its too late the UK Independence train has left the station !.

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    • Richard Le Sarcophage says

      The parasites and wannabe parasites have UTTER contempt for the serfs, particularly when they disobey orders. They’ll just demand referendum after referendum until the vermin get it ‘right’. Or, like Greece, simply ignore ‘democracy’ (in its ‘home’) with vicious disdain.

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    • Quit the rhetoric already. Your calling a little less then half the british population traitors. The majoriety of scots and a huge portion of NI especially. The European’s view us as traitors too. The Scots could equally view us as traitors considering one of the main reasons they chose to remain was fear of being out of the EU. Be thankful they are fairly undecieded at the moment. A woman I knew from NI is pissed, because it will have huge reppecusions there. IRA anyone? What will demonising anyone achieve at this point do? People voted to leave, which I didn’t want due to instability in the world economy. My anger has gone now however. It won’t do anyone any good but further divide the country and cause instability. I’m sick of the pissing contests.

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  11. Mick McNulty says

    If many of us had not taken our own pens what would have been the numbers then? A lot of us believe they still tried to rig it but the numbers were just too big to rig, so the vote difference of 4% or 1,000,000+ would actually be larger. The declared turnout of 72% seems rather low for such a monumental event – I’d have thought 80%+ – and whatever the difference between the real percentage or numbers, there’s the rig. Our pens may have made the difference.

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    • Ian F says

      You can mark a ballot paper with anything you want, pencil, pen, crayon even blood (as long as it is your own) As a Presiding Officer, I can assure you that there is no way the actual ballot can be rigged. The ballot box is shown to be empty at the start of the poll. It is sealed with four numbered seals, and another numbered seal is affixed at the end of the poll. Any sign of tampering is easily spotted as the seals have to be completely destroyed to open the box at the count.

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      • fleur de Lis says

        There were many cases when people hace been spotted either rubbing out, hiding the wrong vote into the ‘preferred vote’ pile, ballot boxes going missing etc…it would be foolish to even think that the voting system isnt rigged at some points.

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  12. Nick C says

    The comments regarding the nature of the request in this petition are missing the point – it is clearly a proxy for what people would really like to say. It is simply that this petition has been publicised and people are employing it to vent their frustration with what has been done to them.

    Regarding the number and validity of the votes – I would hope that the IP addresses of the voters have been stored with the votes (this would be a pretty basic provision) so it should be possible to retrospectively examine these and invalidate more than (say) five votes per IP address. It may also be possible for the government to advise if there is any evidence of fraud which would undermine the efforts of anyone who is hijacking it.

    Another thought is that if there is any hijacking going on it could be either side doing it, of course. Either way this is a wake-up call for the government to take steps to reduce the opportunity to hijack the petitions.

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    • If they were going to eliminate more than a certain number of repeat IP addresses they could run a bit of code that did that at source. Though given the prevalence of dynamic IPs that wouldn’t be very fair or effective. But it’s child’s play to prevent duplicate signatories. If they aren’t doing it, they don’t want to do it.

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  13. Roger says

    Fishy how the petition is growing at over 10,000 votes every 5 minutes. Was 1.709,000 at 15.12 and now, at 15.18, it stands at over 1.731,000.
    I suggest somebody start a petition requesting the government NOT to apply rules retroactively in this context (or any other!). We can sit back and watch the numbers grow. Unfortunately I live abroad, and don’t have the 5 required british correspondents available to start things rolling.

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  14. Roger says

    The petition does not call for a 2nd referendum, but for a new rule on voting and turn-out numbers which would lead to a new referendum. I can’t see how the government ( temporary anyway, as Slimy Dave has stepped down ) could dare to implement this new rule retroactively, as requested by this petition, without a massive explosion of public anger.

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  15. Willem says

    Having a second referendum, because you did not like the result of the first referendum is like doing a scientific experiment with, say, a new drug in a mouse model to see if the drug has potential side effects, which kills the mouse. No problem, just perform a second experiment on a different mouse and throw the dead mouse away, as if this mouse never existed. Continue with this experiment until your wished outcome, i.e. a mouse that was not killed or otherwise harmed by the drug, turns out. Next, advertise this drug as something which has no serious side effects in mice.

    If a scientist would run an experiment as cited above, newspapers would (correctly) call this researcher a fraud. But when politicians do it, it apparantly is worth a try.

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    • Willem says

      Or even worse: you change the outcome, because you did not like the outcome…

      I may have been wrong in assuming that this petition was made by politicians. Turns out that someone called: William Oliver Healy started the petition, who I tried to Google, but couldn’t find..

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      • Richard Le Sarcophage says

        Yet more proof that ‘democracy’, in any meaningful sense, and Free Market capitalism are utterly antithetical, and that ‘Divide and Rule’ tactics (the latest the fomenting of inter-generational hatred)still work a treat.

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  16. 2catlady says

    This is potentially true of all these government petitions. Why are you only bringing it up now?

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    • Editor says

      umm…because we’re talking about this one in particular and not “all these” other ones?

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