Do we need another 9/11 conspiracy theory?

Kevin Ryan
the  South Tower at the moment of collapse

the South Tower at the moment of collapse

The terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 were a turning point in world history. We have been told that these attacks were planned and implemented by nineteen Arab Muslim hijackers under the direction of the leaders of al Qaeda. According to the official account, this criminal conspiracy received no help or funding from any government.

Unfortunately, this explanation fails to address a majority of the evidence and leaves most of the critical questions unanswered.[1]

In fact, the reports that constitute the official account do so little to explain what happened that it is possible that, to this day, we know very little about who was behind the attacks. That fact is alarming to many people, given that so much war and unprecedented change has been driven by the official account.

On closer inspection, the 9/11 Commission Report provides only 90 pages of discussion about what actually happened on the day of 9/11, found in chapters 1 and 9 of the report. The remainder of the report is devoted to promoting a myth behind the organization called al Qaeda, and suggesting what to do about it.

The 9/11 Commission told us in its report that — “Our aim has not been to assign individual blame. Our aim has been to provide the fullest possible account of the events surrounding 9/11 and to identify lessons learned.”

Author David Ray Griffin revealed that the Commission report not only failed to provide the fullest possible account, it omitted or distorted many of the relevant facts.[2] The Commission report also gave us a new explanation for one of the most alarming aspects of the attacks — the complete failure of the U.S. national air defenses. The new explanation represented the third, distinctly different, version of how the air defenses failed.

A number of excuses were given by Commission members for the shortcomings of its report. In their 2006 book, Without Precedent, the leaders of the Commission, Thomas Kean and Lee Hamilton, said “we were set up to fail.”[3] When I met with Hamilton, he told me that the Commission faced too many questions, too little funding, and too little time.

But the fact is that, if it had not been for 9/11 victim’s family members working diligently to publicize problems with the emerging official myth, there would never have been a 9/11 Commission investigation. Both President Bush and Vice President Cheney actively sought to limit the investigation into the attacks.

As CNN reported in January 2002, President Bush personally asked Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle to limit the congressional investigation. This unusual request came after a “rare call to Daschle from Vice President Cheney.” Daschle stated that Cheney “expressed the concern that a review of what happened on September 11 would take resources and personnel away from the effort in the war on terrorism.”[4]

When the political pressure caused by the victim’s families grew too great, the 9/11 Commission was born. But the Commission was given less than one tenth of the funding that had been allotted to investigate the sexual exploits of President Clinton just three years earlier. Clearly, the U.S. government did not want an in-depth investigation into 9/11.

The Commission

There were several brief inquiries early on. These included the CIA Inspector General (IG) inquiry, the FBI IG inquiry, and the Joint Congressional Inquiry. All three of these were focused on a limited hangout viewpoint of the shortcomings of U.S. intelligence agencies related to the alleged hijackers. The 9/11 Commission, which stated its goal of presenting “the fullest possible account” built its work on the earlier inquiries and used many of the same staff for its investigation.

To lead the Commission, President Bush first appointed Henry Kissinger. As with the 14-month delay in getting started, this appointment was a strong indication that the investigation was not intended to be a fact-finding mission.

Kissinger’s refusal to release his client list, which was expected to include the name Bin Laden, forced his resignation and replacement by Kean and Hamilton.[5] Kean’s ties to the oil and gas industry and Hamilton’s history as an intelligence agency insider, along with similar conflicts of interest among the rest of the Commission members, were issues that remained unaddressed.

In November 2003, one of the 9/11 Commission members quit. This was Senator Max Cleland of Georgia, who was outraged at the process and had previously said “This is a scam” and “It’s disgusting. America is being cheated.” In October 2003, Cleland told the New York Times that — “As each day goes by, we learn that this government knew a whole lot more about these terrorists before September 11 than it has ever admitted.”[6]

The Commission’s report came out nine months later, in July 2004, and was hailed as a great achievement by the publicists hired to promote it. Unfortunately for the rest of us, the report failed to answer 70% of the questions provided by the 9/11 victim’s families who had inspired the Commission’s charter.

Throughout the report, the Commission claimed that “no evidence” existed, or could be found, to explain aspects of the 9/11 events. This was reminiscent of comments made by President Ford to his press secretary, Ron Nessen, about Ford’s work on the Commission that investigated the assassination of President Kennedy. Ford told Nessen that he and his colleagues on the Warren Commission – “were very, very careful when we wrote our final report not to say flatly that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone and was not part of a conspiracy.” Ford clarified that the Warren Commission was “very careful to say we ‘found’ no evidence of a conspiracy.”[7]

The 9/11 Commission took this “we found no evidence” phrase to an extreme and used some form of it 36 times within its report.[8] Four of those instances highlight the fact that the 9/11 Commission could not explain how any of the alleged hijackers entered the cockpits of any of the four hijacked planes. Other instances reflected that the Commission put almost no effort into allegations of insider trading, or how the attacks were funded, which the Commission said was “of little practical significance.”[9] In an honest investigation, the funding would be seen as a strong clue to who was behind the attacks.

The NIST Reports

Although the Commission addressed the World Trade Center (WTC) in a brief, superficial manner, the detailed explanation for what happened to the Twin Towers and WTC Building 7 was left to the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST). At the time, this agency reported through the U.S. Department of Commerce under the direction of Bush’s old friend and oil industry colleague, Donald Evans.

Like the 9/11 Commission Report, the NIST reports, which were issued in 2005 and 2008, represented only the last in a series of failed official explanations for the destruction of the WTC buildings. NIST avoided much of the evidence for what happened to the buildings by providing only a “collapse initiation sequence” for the towers, and by performing no physical testing to support its unusual explanation for WTC 7.

The timing of NIST’s WTC 7 report appeared to be scheduled for dual political purposes, to coincide with the seventh anniversary of 9/11 and to give the appearance of finished business at the end of the Bush Administration. That is not surprising, as the timing of NIST’s other reports coincided with political events as well. These included the draft report on the towers in October 2004 – just before the election, the final report on the towers – just before the fourth anniversary of 9/11, and NIST’s first “responses to FAQs” – just before the fifth anniversary. All of them appeared to involve politically motivated release dates.

In each case, the dates allowed time for the mainstream media to quickly present the official story while public interest was high, but did not allow time for critical questioning of the related documents, which were extensive and deceptive. With the WTC 7 report, the public was given just three weeks prior to 9/11/08 to comment on a report that was nearly seven years in the making.

With time it was discovered that the WTC 7 report was a very poor attempt at a realistic explanation for what happened to that 47-story building, which had not been hit by a plane.[10] It seemed that NIST didn’t even try to present a logical explanation for what happened, but simply relied on the idea that a fawning media would help them close the public discussion quickly. In the future, people will learn a great deal from the NIST collaboration with certain media, in terms of our present culture and the extent of our ability to deceive.

The Response to Public Skepticism

The efforts to conceal the truth were not entirely effective, however. National polls showed that many people were very skeptical of the official myth. A poll done by Scripps-Howard in 2006, for example, showed that 36% of the American public suspected “that federal officials assisted in the 9/11 terrorist attacks or took no action to stop them so the United States could go to war in the Middle East.”[11]

Among those who still trusted the official account were some who insisted that, if there was much more to the story of what happened on 9/11, the media would have latched on and reported the issues diligently. The History Commons 9/11 Timeline, which can be found online, shows that the mainstream media did, at first, report many interesting facts about 9/11 that did not end up in the official account.[12] Those facts were never followed-up or were quickly forgotten as the official myth was formed and reformed.

Attempts by some media sources to support the official accounts led to an increasing suspicion that something was being covered up. Hearst Publications, the British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC), and Skeptic magazine, are examples of media that went to great lengths to stifle any questioning of the official account and divert attention from the glaring discrepancies.

Such official story champions focused their efforts around the term “conspiracy theory” and its variants, which they liberally applied to any attempts made by independent researchers. Ironically, this was despite the fact that the only 9/11 conspiracy theory of any consequence had always been the official account.

The use of “conspiracy theory” to deter citizens from investigating historic events is paradoxical, to be sure. It suggests that those who commit criminal conspiracies can only be relatively powerless people who happen to live on the most strategically important lands, and conspiracies among rich, powerful people are impossible or absurd.

Basically, our entire legal system is based on the idea of conspiracy. Despite this fact we have been conditioned by the government and the media to blindly accept the official reports and to treat any questioning of those reports as “conspiracy theorizing.” That is, you are a conspiracy theorist if you don’t believe the government’s conspiracy theory.

This cultural phenomenon goes back to 1967. At that time, in response to questions about the Warren Commission Report (which President Ford helped create), the CIA issued a memorandum calling for mainstream media sources to begin countering “conspiracy theorists.”[13] In the 45 years before the CIA memo came out, the phrase “conspiracy theory” appeared in the Washington Post and New York Times only 50 times, or about once per year. In the 45 years after the CIA memo, the phrase appeared 2,630 times, or about once per week.

Before the CIA memo came out, the Washington Post and New York Times had never used the phrase “conspiracy theorist.” After the CIA memo came out, these two newspapers have used that phrase 1,118 times. Of course, in these uses the phrase is always delivered in a context in which “conspiracy theorists” were made to seem less intelligent and less rationale than people who uncritically accept official explanations for major events.

President George W. Bush and his colleagues often used the phrase conspiracy theory in attempts to deter questioning about their activities. When questioned by reporters about an emerging scandal in September 2000, Bush said the idea that his presidential campaign was flashing subliminal messages in advertisements was absurd, and he added that “conspiracy theories abound in America’s politics.”[14] When in 1994, Bush’s former company Harken Energy was linked to the fraudulent Bank of Credit and Commerce International (BCCI) through several investors, Bush’s spokeswoman, Karen Hughes, shut down the inquiry by telling the Associated Press — “We have no response to silly conspiracy theories.”

Because Bush’s campaign had, in fact, been flashing subliminal messages in its advertisements, and Harken Energy was actually linked to BCCI, people began to wonder what Bush and his colleagues meant when they made diversionary comments about conspiracy theories. More importantly, that track record raised questions about Bush’s statement after the 9/11 attacks, in which he said in a televised speech—“Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories concerning the attacks of September the 11th.”

There is no question that criminal government-sponsored conspiracies exist. History is replete with them and they usually involve the government claiming that the country was under attack from “terrorists.” This was true of Hitler’s Reichstag fire and it was true of the attacks that occurred in 20th century Western Europe under the guise of Operation Gladio. An example more relevant to 9/11 was the conspiracy behind Operation Northwoods, a plan drafted and approved in 1962 by the highest levels within the U.S. military.

Author James Bamford wrote of Operation Northwoods that it called “for a wave of violent terrorism to be launched in Washington, D.C., Miami, and elsewhere. People would be framed for bombings they did not commit; planes would be hijacked. [This would provide] the public and international backing they needed to launch their war.”[15] The signed documents are available to everyone today and because of this we know that high level U.S. government representatives do conspire, on occasion, to commit crimes against the American people for the purpose of starting wars.[16]

Another claim made by those who fend off questions about 9/11 is that the official conspiracy theory is more plausible than it seems at first sight because it involves only a small group of conspirators. That is, it includes only 19 alleged hijackers directed by Usama Bin Laden (UBL). Of course, we must include Khalid Sheik Mohammed (KSM) because the 9/11 Commission Report called him the architect of the attacks. Over the years we have also been asked to consider the roles of Zacharias Moussaoui, Mohammed al Qahtani and the other four KSM colleagues who will be tried in military courts in the coming year.

Proposing a Better Explanation

Today, we don’t have an alternative to the official conspiracy that spells out how the events of 9/11 are explained as a result of a conspiracy among insiders. Yet, at the same time, we know it is impossible that those within the popular version of al Qaeda could have shut down the U.S. air defenses for two hours on 9/11, or destroyed the WTC buildings.

Is it possible to propose a compelling alternative conspiracy based on the involvement of insiders? Could certain corporations, government representatives, and other covert operatives have been involved? Requirements for such an alternative conspiracy to be compelling would include that it address more of the evidence and answer more of the questions about what happened, while not overly complicating the conspiracy.

If we examine the events of 9/11 in terms of what should have happened that did not, and what should not have happened that did, we can focus a little better on who might have been involved. At a minimum, the following statements of fact must be addressed by any alternative conspiracy.

  • The many opportunities for U.S. intelligence agencies to track down and stop the alleged hijackers should have resulted in the attacks being stopped before 9/11.
  • The four planes should not have been hijacked because the systems in place to prevent hijackings should have been effective.
  • The U.S. chain of command should have responded to the attacks immediately but it did not.
  • The U.S. national air defense should have responded effectively and some, if not all, of the hijacked aircraft should have been intercepted by military jets.
  • The three WTC buildings should not have fallen through the path of what should have been the path of most resistance.

In addition to addressing these problems, an effective alternative version of 9/11 would better explain facts related to Flight 77 and the Pentagon, Flight 93, and ancillary issues like 9/11 insider trading.

For simplicity, this alternative conspiracy should accept as much of the official account as possible, including that the alleged hijackers were on the planes. However, it should also pay attention to the question of who benefited from the attacks, which the official investigations did not cover well. The benefits realized by al Qaeda should be compared to the benefits realized by those within an alternative conspiracy.

The official account claims that UBL, KSM and the alleged hijackers went to great lengths to plan and implement the 9/11 operation for reasons of revenge and symbolism. This explanation does not make a great deal of sense considering that the Arab Muslim world has suffered greatly as a result of the attacks. The only ones who have benefited in that region are the ruling royal families of countries like Saudi Arabia and Kuwait who have long collaborated with the West. Those minority groups have benefited from the War on Terror because it has temporarily protected them from regional threats like that posed by Saddam Hussein and from other challenges to their positions of power.

The attacks of September 11 were an act of war meant to gain control over others. That’s true no matter what conspiracy you buy into. If you accept the official conspiracy theory, that 19 Arab hijackers committed these crimes under the direction of UBL and KSM but with no help from any government, then the war was a religious jihad and the jihadists wanted to control the behavior of the US government.

Yet if you learn more about the facts, including that the alleged hijackers were not religious Muslims but were people who took drugs, drank alcohol and dated strippers, then you better see the need for another explanation.[17] Add to this an understanding of how incredibly lucky the alleged hijackers would have had to be to even begin accomplishing everything the official account gives them credit for, and the need for better answers grows.

The Implications

If the 9/11 attacks were accomplished as a result of an insider conspiracy, then several implications become obvious. First, the evidence which was omitted or distorted by official investigators might lead to revealing the true conspiracy. Secondly, any examples of avoidance or obstruction of those investigations would give good leads on the true conspiracy.

Owning up to the possibility that we were so grandly manipulated is not easy though. The psychological barriers to examining these questions can be difficult to overcome. It doesn’t get easier when we realize that the official 9/11 narrative has driven many other crimes, including the deaths of countless innocent people.

If an insider conspiracy for 9/11 was found to be true then we would have to assume that 9/11 was probably not the first time we have been fooled. Historical events such as the “October Surprise” holding of the hostages and the Iran-Contra crimes (both investigated by 9/11 co-chairman Lee Hamilton) might shed light on a system that periodically subverts democracy for its own purposes.[18]

In this scenario, the public narrative behind al Qaeda, which was crafted and promoted for many years by “terrorism experts” like Brian Michael Jenkins and L. Paul Bremer, would be a matter for investigation. No doubt the extraordinary roles that both Jenkins and Bremer played in aviation security and at the WTC in the years before 9/11 would also be of intense interest.

Overall, it seems that an insider conspiracy had a much more believable motivation — the seizure and long-term maintenance of uncontested power. Such a conspiracy would have represented the interests of multi-national corporations and multi-generational powerbrokers who have benefited, beyond imagination, from the 9/11 attacks.

If honest investigators worked together to propose an alternative that better matched the evidence, we might move closer to truth and justice for the victims of 9/11 and the 9/11 Wars. This could conceivably also put the true conspirators on notice, as they might still be out there today engaging in unknown crimes. Doing so, however, would finally make the absurd accusations of official story supporters come true – we would finally become conspiracy theorists. On the other hand we might never know the truth if we wait for another government investigation.


  • [1] Family Steering Committee for the 9/11 Independent Commission, Unanswered Questions, http://www.911independentcommission.org/questions.html
  • [2] David Ray Griffin, The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions, Olive Branch Press, 2005
  • [3] Thomas H. Kean and Lee H. Hamilton with Benjamin Rhodes, Without Precedent: The Inside Story of the 9/11 Commission, First Vintage Books, 2006
  • [4] Dana Bash, Jon Karl and John King, Bush asks Daschle to limit Sept. 11 probes, CNN, January 29, 2002, http://articles.cnn.com/2002-01-29/politics/inv.terror.probe_1_daschle-house-and-senate-intelligence-intelligence-committee?_s=PM:ALLPOLITICS
  • [5] Kristen Breitweiser, Wake-Up Call: The Political Education of a 9/11 Widow, Warner Books, 2006
  • [6] Philip Shenon, 9/11 Commission Could Subpoena Oval Office Files, New York Times, October 26, 2003
  • [7] Ron Nessen, It Sure Looks Different From the Inside, Playboy Press, 1978, p 59
  • [8] Kevin R. Ryan, The 9/11 Commission claims that “We found no evidence,” DigWithin.net, October 30, 2011, https://digwithin.net/2011/10/30/no-evidence/
  • [9] National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States, The 9/11 Commission Report, p 172, http://www.911commission.gov/report/911Report.pdf
  • [10] Kevin R. Ryan, Why the NIST WTC 7 Report is False, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArnYryJqCwU
  • [11] Thomas Hargrove, Third of Americans suspect 9-11 government conspiracy, Scripps News, August 1, 2006, http://www.scrippsnews.com/911poll
  • [12] History Commons, Complete 9/11 Timeline, http://www.historycommons.org/project.jsp?project=911_project
  • [13] CIA Document #1035-960
  • [14] David E. Scheim, Trust or Hustle: The Bush Record, CampaignWatch.org, http://www.campaignwatch.org/more1.htm
  • [15] James Bamford, Body of secrets: anatomy of the ultra-secret National Security Agency. Random House. 2002
  • [16] U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff, “Justification for US Military Intervention in Cuba (TS)”, U.S. Department of Defense, March 1962. For online pdf file, see the National Security Archive at the George Washington University Gelman Library, Washington, D.C., http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/northwoods.pdf
  • [17] Kevin R. Ryan, Muslims did not attack the U.S. on 9.11, DigWithin.net, March 17, 2012, https://digwithin.net/2012/03/17/muslims-did-not-attack-the-u-s-on-911/
  • [18] For example, see Kevin R. Ryan, 9/11 as sequel to Iran-Contra: Armitage, Carlucci and friends, DigWithin.net, April 8, 2012, https://digwithin.net/2012/04/08/911-as-a-sequel-to-iran-contra/


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Sep 9, 2016 6:48 PM

The conspirators and performers are a bunch bunch of complete and idiots!

Sep 7, 2016 5:53 PM

The planners of this event having left themselves highly exposed over the cell phone calls ( and had no alternative as this was their weak spot )because they so vitally needed a Barbara Olson -type figure to steamroll the media storm around the Arab terrorist narrative from the getgo would in no way have left themselves equally exposed with video fakes,whilst plainly the ailerons of no modern commercial planes are going to leave their imprints in steel and concrete towers! Not ever! ! Rather stealth aircraft may well have flown parallel courses to the alleged flightpaths of the ” commercial aircraft” and transmitted holograms inside which missiles were hidden whilst planted explosives perhaps here using nanothermite cut out the required wing and aileron shapes for the cartoon to have the desired effect ,though as Niels Harrit has admitted the amounts of nanothermite necessary for the full job as claimed by… Read more »

Sep 8, 2016 7:57 AM
Reply to  bill

@bill, rather than wild speculation, how about we get a proper investigation going?
This researcher disagrees with you

Sep 10, 2017 9:03 PM
Reply to  bill

A few facts: the FBI has admitted that no phone calls were made from the allegedly hijacked planes, confirming Professor Dewdney’s investigation. There is no record of two of the alleged flights ever having taken off; and the other two, allegedly hijacked, planes were not decommissioned until several years later (from which we may assume that they were still flying). The two airlines have refused to divulge accurate flight manifests, or other data about the allegedly hijacked planes. Several experts, including John Lear, have confirmed that the apparent speeds of the planes alleged to have struck the towers are impossible. The videos are therefore fraudulent. A potentially fruitful line of research would be to clarify who/which company or organisation or agency was capable of creating the imaginary planes. I find absurd Kevin Ryan’s suggestion that 9/11 researchers should accept “as much of the official account as possible, including that the… Read more »

Sep 7, 2016 5:05 PM

Without a doubt, on that day a major change was forced upon the American people by their conspiring corrupted leaders. Starting after WWI, America became a testing ground for the Talmudic Zionist Elite.
( Rothschilds, Warburg, etc. )
Two well made Video Documentaries explore these Epic radicalizations of a government’s structure.
Benjamin Freedman’s 1961 – Warns America About The Jews

JFK to 911 Everything Is A Rich Man’s Trick

Jerome Fryer
Jerome Fryer
Sep 7, 2016 6:09 AM

Another article longs on accusations and full of red herrings, but short on any discussion of facts. What the self-serving politicians and other officials always do is try to cover their own arses — that doesn’t alter the factual information concerning these attacks.

Sep 7, 2016 10:58 AM
Reply to  Jerome Fryer

Kevin Ryan offers 18 points of reference- some of them whole books.
Perhaps start reading some of them if you are in search of factual substantiation for his argument?

Sep 7, 2016 11:52 AM
Reply to  mog

Just what I was thinking. His post seems like he didn’t even read or comprehend the article. There are numerous relevant facts, but he sees none of them. His post kind of reminds me of how those who cling to the official version of 9-11 play this game of “convince me if you can” in the forums under articles, always poo-pooing anything brought up, often flat out ignoring facts brought up. Lame-o!

Oct 7, 2016 10:39 PM
Reply to  Jerome Fryer

Well Jerome, we certainly cannot blame those raggedy-headed rascals in al Qaeda any more, they’ve been such jolly good footsoldier allies in our big game plan for Syria!

Sep 6, 2016 11:12 PM

Kevin Ryan does / is doing sterling work on the details of the huge, but slowly unravelling deception
For a slightly more light hearted view on conspiracy theory, look at Douglas Bickfords 4 minute 9 11
video at

[The person airbrushed out of the pentagon video is Donald Rumsfeld
The soot covered person is Barry Jennings, Supervisor WTC7 – RIP ]

Norman Pilon
Norman Pilon
Sep 6, 2016 11:51 PM
Reply to  DavidKNZ

Yes, Corbett certainly manages to cram into a few entertaining minutes pretty much all of the more salient absurdities comprising the official take on 9/11. An elegant and pointed précis of much of the ground covered in Ryan’s article. An apt accompaniment, indeed.

Sep 6, 2016 9:56 PM

There is no question in my mind that both the president and vice president at the time are traitors and unbelievably evil men. There are however many other “Americans” who participated in both the terrible crime of 9/11 and the subsequent coverup. These include all of the members of the investigating committee plus CIA and Pentagon officials. Will the truth ever come out? Yes, I believe it will but not until these evil creatures are paying for their crimes in Hell!

Sep 6, 2016 9:36 PM

Mostly useful – but its major fault lies in the acceptance of that part of the official story relating to “hijackers” and “hijacked planes”. In reality there is no evidence for either. There were, of course, “patsies” (some of the 19 alleged hijackers, though even the BBC reported afterwards that some 6 or 7 of them had turned up alive), but there is no credible evidence e.g. from CCTV cameras, passenger lists, boarding card stubs etc. that any of the alleged hijackers boarded any planes that morning. There are also anomalies about the planes themselves. Two were not scheduled to fly that morning … and two were still listed as operational two years after the event! We know for sure that no plane hit the Pentagon and no plane disappeared into a hole in Shanksville – so why should we still believe that two planes hit the Twin Towers? The… Read more »

Sep 7, 2016 8:54 AM
Reply to  paulcarline

@paulcarline – the ‘no planes’ theory goes down a slippery slope, no matter how many sock puppets try to punt it.
The ‘no planes’ arguments have been used extensively over the last decade in order to muddy the waters.
Next thing you’ll be telling us it’s all a hologram.
The videos are NOT fakes. They exist.
Not only that, there are thousands of real-time witnesses in Manhattan who can tell you otherwise.

Boo Radley
Boo Radley
Sep 7, 2016 1:19 PM
Reply to  marc

Totally agree, this ‘no planes’ view comes only from sock puppets or their gullible victims.
You (almost) have to admire the skill in which the perpetrators have for the most part destroyed the truth movement with this kind of crap.

Sep 10, 2017 9:11 PM
Reply to  marc

The videos may exist, but they show apparent planes flying at impossible speeds – and even melting into steel-framed buildings. The impossible speeds were also listed by the relevant official body – and were confirmed by Richard Hall’s painstakingly exact examination of the alleged flight paths and speeds.
Of course, I can’t stop you believing the impossible. But you shouldn’t expect to be taken seriously.

Sep 7, 2016 9:25 AM
Reply to  paulcarline

@paulcarline – further to your statement “the videos were clever fakes”.. i would add:
— are you implying a grand conspiracy where the perpetrators have ensured control over all the images taken of the planes that approached the WTC? New York is a media capital of the world, with national networks, local network affiliates and independent TV stations, international media bureaus, and many independent video companies. Ordinary citizens also documented whatever they could. There are videos available from countless sources.
— if you do argue this, the argument is weak simply because it’s not that easy to create good fakes. The intact, unburnt passport found lying on the rubble of the towers (supposed to have fallen from the pocket of one of the kamikaze pilots and survived the ensuing fireball) appears to be a rather bad fake.

Sep 10, 2017 9:26 PM
Reply to  marc

You may or may not be aware that TV images are not actually “in real time”. There is a significant delay between the capture of images by a camera and their appearance on a TV screen – time enough for the insertion of pre-recorded fake footage. It is significant that a minute examination of all the recorded ‘eye-witness’ testimony turned up only two people who claimed to have both seen and heard planes. Jetliners flying at the alleged full throttle (in practice impossible) at the alleged height of around 700 feet would have made an incredibly loud noise – yet almost no-one reported it. I have never alleged that the images were holograms. Nonetheless, the physical impossibility that the images were of real commercial jets leaves no other explanation but that some form of sophisticated CGI imagery was used. It’s a fact that on 9/11 the sky was cloudless. A… Read more »

Sep 6, 2016 9:28 PM

One interesting question that should be asked is this:
‘If the general public crowdfunded a 9/11 investigation:
a): Who would they commission to carry it out?
b): What would its terms of reference be?
c): What statutory basis would it act upon (i.e. what powers would it have to coerce witnesses to give evidence, what powers would it have to seize documents and what powers would it have to prevent anyone leaving US jurisdictions until they were satisfied that enquiries had been suitably exhausted)?
d): What would its budget be?
Those are the questions to ask when considering whether the official investigations satisfy public demands for justice…….

Gil Favor
Gil Favor
Sep 8, 2016 10:52 AM
Reply to  rtj1211

911 asks the question about eye witnesses seeing a “genuine” plane impacting the tower. OK, in answer to this question, how does one explain the fact no resident of Newtown, Conn. has stepped forth and spilled the beans on the absolutely false flag Sandy Hook “event”? How does a town of 27k people keep such a secret? If you study this event on even a moderate level, you realize that this was a total scam and the state of Conn. and the Feds have covered it up in massive fashion. It is still obvious that Sandy Hook was an inside deal, totally so. Nobody died at Sandy Hook…..

Sep 8, 2016 1:44 PM
Reply to  Gil Favor

This debate is about 9/11. Please stay on topic.

MHB Administrator
MHB Administrator
Sep 6, 2016 9:22 PM

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