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Is Andrew Mitchell MP really suggesting we start WWIII?

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The House of Commons is set to have an “emergency debate” on the declaration of a no-fly zone over Syria, specifically to “defend Aleppo from Russia”. The debate, called by Andrew Mitchell, will be over whether or not NATO planes should confront, and attack, Russian jets. Speaking on the BBC’s Today programme Mitchell said:

…what we do say is that the international community has an avowed responsibility to protect and that protection must be exerted. If that means confronting Russian air power defensively, on behalf of the innocent people on the ground who we are trying to protect, then we should do that.”

He added:

I think that Britain should explore with its allies how it would enforce a no-fly zone.”

Well, we can save Britain and her allies some time here, there’s nothing to “explore”. There is only one way to enforce a no-fly zone, and that is by shooting down any plane that violates it. There is literally no other action to be taken.

Curiously, when the Today host John Humphrys pointed out – very reasonably – that this is tantamount to declaration of war, Mitchell disagreed:

It’s not a declaration of war against Russia but it is an absolute declaration that we will seek to protect the innocent victims of these war crimes.”

….without any reference to that fact that, from Russia’s POV, it would DEFINITELY be an act of war.

This debate is, at best, some ridiculous macho-posturing from an idiot who wants to be seen as “tough”, and at worst an indication that the British political class are literally, totally divorced from reality. Either way it is a highly dangerous situation, because whatever the intentions of Mitchell and the Commons at large, there’s no telling how or when the lunatics in the Pentagon will pick up this ball and run with it. There are crazy hawks in Washington who genuinely want a war with Russia, and it is the responsibility of all people with any sense to box in this element and limit their opportunities to incite chaos.

If nothing else the debate is the first real test of Jeremy Corbyn since his re-election as Labour leader. Will he stand up to the increasingly bizarre and dangerous view of the Syrian conflict being presented in the Western press? Or will he vacillate and equivocate in the worst traditions of Britain’s soft-left non-opposition?

Watch this space.


31 Comments

  1. Andrew Mitchell’s comments are so irresponsible and shocking that we need to question if he has been put up to this by someone behind the scenes.

    The fact that the rubbish he is spouting is being given so much media attention around the world would point to this.

    We are all being taken on a ride here, and as much as I hate to say it (and I really do), Donald Trump might be the only way out.

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  2. Mick McNulty says

    This idiot fails to realize, just like the regime across the Atlantic fails to realize, they’ll be going to war with only the forces and equipment they’ve already got, they’re not going to get any more. Before they can draft us into uniform or into the weapons factories they’d have to win the war on their own streets first, against us, because we’re not doing it. Mitchell will have to go and make his own guns, then go over there and use them.

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  3. tommytcg says

    Or. are they simply threatening.. hoping Ru. is stoopid enough for 1 more ceasefire.. to extricate their embedded Brit Sp. forces.. Heck there may be a dozen there for this much bravado!

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  4. Yonatan says

    These mentally and morally defective fuckwits still think they can act with impunity courtesy of the US ‘global policeman’ status. They even claim there are no neo-Nazis in Ukraine, and even if there were, the UK is certainly not training them. Instead it is training ‘carefully vetted moderates’.

    Immense political and economic shifts are underway, particulary a shift to land-based transport of goods over Asia, Russia and maybe westwards(?) into Europe. That alone will render the US navy a useless relic much like the cavalry in WWI. The British armed forces should be looking over their shoulder. Their gungho-ho murder of Syrian troops and training of ‘carefully vetted moderate’ actually indistinguishable from terrorist by US admisson, will come back to bite them, hopefully sooner than later.

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  5. ”If nothing else the debate is the first real test of Jeremy Corbyn since his re-election as Labour leader. Will he stand up to the increasingly bizarre and dangerous view of the Syrian conflict being presented in the Western press? Or will he vacillate and equivocate in the worst traditions of Britain’s soft-left non-opposition?”

    Or will he vacillate? My Guess is that he will. Social-democrats always throw in the towel when the chips are down. Corbyn, I am afraid to say, has already parked the questions of NATO membership and Trident renewal, and if push comes to shove I believe he will fall into line when the big boss on the other side of the pond snaps his fingers. It has always been thus; the UK has been a vassal state ever since the Suez fiasco in 1956.

    I hope that I am wrong, but I fear that I am right.

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    • Mick McNulty says

      If Jeremy Corbyn had been in power at the time we wouldn’t have been involved in regime change atrocities. Now it looks like nuclear war is inevitable. I’ve accepted I may be dead soon because of the likes of Mitchell. Have you?

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  6. Getting his chicken hawk wings ready for flight–to an undisclosed bunker–in anticipation of Clinton stealing the WH next month and when she does, the door to Hell in the ME will be opened completely.

    I always thought Satan was a male type, but after watching and listening to Hillary all these years, I know realize Satan assumes a female form.

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  7. mike gibson says

    Putin has warned the world,that any planes in syrian airspace that are considered a threat to Syrian or Russian soldiers,will be shot down is that not clear enough,for these buffoons, If they were serious they would stop paying and arming the Daesh Mercenaries

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  8. Enrique Ferro says

    This is the problem, the West is full with as=h=le politicians. They live in a bubble and believe their lies, refuse to see their own misdemeanors. War crimes? Ask the Lbyans, the Iraqis, the Afghans… Britain & Co have their hands full with blood. Now they masquerade their crimes by speaking of the innocent in Aleppo, i.e. 1/5 of the city occupied by the Western sponsored terrorists who use the neghibourhood as human shields. So this lunatic is ready to go the WW3 in order to protect al Qaeda!

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  9. Jim Porter says

    Even one of the U.S Generals said that such an action would be war and that decision wasn’t his to make, it was for the politicians to know the consequences and then decide

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  10. Read some of the live updates over on the enemy – here’s my parody – Andrew Mitchell and Boris Johnson have worked hand in hand to rewrite the UN Charter:
    “Article 1 – To maintain international aggression and insecurity, and to that end: to take effective collective measures for the prevention and removal of unitary threats to the permanent state of war, and for the suppression of acts of pacification or other breaches of hostilities, and to bring about by unlawful means, and in conformity with the principles of the Right to Protect and the permanence of pre-emptive retaliation, adjustment or settlement of international disputes or situations which might lead to a cessation of the flow of militaristic finance;”

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  11. rtj1211 says

    People really should stop thinking that UK MPs act in the interests of their constituents. They act in the interests of their masters.

    It really is ridiculous for the UK to suggest that the Syrian Government does not police its own skies. Perhaps someone should call for a no fly zone over London until such time as MPs demonstrate the first vestiges of sanity?

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  12. So, they want a no fly zone and no bombing in Syria? It would be interesting to cross match the voting pattern of which MPs vote for a no fly zone and which voted to bomb Syria a few months ago – Hillary Benn et al. Would pretty much be a 100% match except for Jo Cox and Cameron if he’s already vacated his seat.
    Do these fools not see how idiotic they are. Not to mention a cross match of MPs in favour of austerity and belt tightening of all kinds of welfare. Bombs don’t come cheap but don’t seem to have a quantifiable price tag for these MPs (Morons of Parliaments, not members).

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  13. As with the Iraq invasion, engineered by War Criminal Tony Blair who fed “sexed-up” intel to a willing Cheney and Bush, this is meant to pave the way for the US, as the Brits could not and would not attempt such a stunt on their own.

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  14. Just listening to the debate right now. That is exactly what the fools are saying. I have never heard such misinformation or just plain stupidity from our elected MPs. This is war talk and is so frightening. Quoting the brave White Helmets and the International Brigades as examples of what we should be supporting is just simplistic rhetoric as is invoking the memory of Jo Cox. We should be aware of what these fools are doing.

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  15. that AM is a fool is obvious,but what of the voters who elected him? Will the UK pilots who flew over Libya and those involved with Deir Ezzor and their commanders ever face a war crimes trial which should imo include David Cameron? But should it stop there? Does responsibility for a war crime extend to the leader of the Opposition? Can it be in any way a defence to insist that you acted from misleading information when before acting it is your duty to establish its accuracy?

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    • paulcarline says

      Definitely no defence – at least if one takes literally what the ICC Act says, which is that not only those who commit a war crime/crime against humanity are guilty, but also anyone who aided and abetted the commission in any way – and even anyone who, knowing that a crime had been committed, failed to raise an action at the ICC.
      However, it has become very apparent over the years that the ICC is not independent or neutral. It doesn’t (so far) prosecute Western war criminals. How unsurprising.
      The recent Common committee report on Libya makes it clear that David Cameron qualifies as a war criminal, following in the bloody footsteps of Bliar Blair (and Thatcher?). Conspiring to commit a war crime would surely also rate an appearance in the dock at The Hague. So what are we to make of this 2015 story (http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1849.htm) in relation to the apparent arrest of US Navy Captain Heather Cole for (reportedly) refusing to obey an order that could have resulted in the launch of nuclear weapons against Russia?

      “A new report circulating in the Kremlin today prepared by the Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR) for the Ministry of Defense (MoD) states that President Barack Obama’s nuclear war communication commander has been arrested and relieved of her command after failing to transmit launch codes authorizing an atomic weapons first-strike attack upon the Federation in coordination with a similar “surprise” attack planned by the United Kingdom.”

      If this report is correct, then David Cameron would have another criminal charge to answer.

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  16. So he says it’s not a declaration of war. Hmm well not what they think across the water.

    “The enforcement of a “no-fly” zone in Syria would mean a US war with both Syria and Russia, the top US uniformed commander told the Senate Armed Services Committee Thursday.”
    Marine Gen. Joseph Dunford, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, spelled out the grave implications of the policy advocated by both predominant sections within the Republican Party as well as Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton amid rising violence in Syria and increasing pressure by Washington on the Russian government to unilaterally agree to grounding its own aircraft as well as those of the Syrian government.

    The man is totally disconnected from reality, as it mainstream media.

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  17. Reblogged this on | truthaholics and commented:

    “This debate is, at best, some ridiculous macho-posturing from an idiot who wants to be seen as “tough”, and at worst an indication that the British political class are literally, totally divorced from reality. Either way it is a highly dangerous situation, because whatever the intentions of Mitchell and the Commons at large, there’s no telling how or when the lunatics in the Pentagon will pick up this ball and run with it. There are crazy hawks in Washington who genuinely want a war with Russia, and it is the responsibility of all people with any sense to box in this element and limit their opportunities to incite chaos.

    If nothing else the debate is the first real test of Jeremy Corbyn since his re-election as Labour leader. Will he stand up to the increasingly bizarre and dangerous view of the Syrian conflict being presented in the Western press? Or will he vacillate and equivocate in the worst traditions of Britain’s soft-left non-opposition?”

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  18. johnny says

    And, this was the considered the fifth most important news item on bbc radio this morning well behind the Samsung phone story and scary clowns

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