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Neo-Liberal paranoia is extreme, and it is everywhere

by Kit
This weekend's Nick Cohen column.

This weekend’s Nick Cohen column.

I consider Nick Cohen an unpleasant man. His columns are smug, rude, ill-informed, intellectually dishonest, hypocritical and self-righteous. A perfect example of the modern journalist, in his natural habitat. However, before today, I never considered him to be truly, literally insane.

Russian Treachery is extreme and it is everywhere!

This startlingly subtle sentiment is the headline to Cohen’s latest…offering. I haven’t changed it or exaggerated it, with the exception of adding an exclamation point that is, in the original, only heavily implied.

In the past I have written detailed, point by point refutations of pieces from the Guardian – similarly bizarre ramblings from Cohen and Natalie Nougayrede – but when the message is so rampantly hysterical…what is there to say? There’s nothing to refute here but the loud and incoherent repetitions of made up facts and establishment lies, already disproven a million different times by a thousand dedicated and honest alt-news sites. The work has been done. The truth is out there. To not see it, at this point, is an act of willful blindness.

There’s no evidence any of the European “far right” are funded by the Russian government, there’s no evidence the FSB (or whoever) hacked the US presidential election, there’s no evidence the Syrian or Russian military deliberately targeted hospitals. Corbynistas aren’t anti-semites. Brexiters aren’t neo-Nazis. Hashtag fakenews.
A year of Brexit and Corbyn and Syria and Trump seems to have pushed the whole world of establishment journalism right up to the ragged edge, and recent frothing op-eds from the WaPo to the NYT to the Guardian suggest they are due a big fall and a hard landing.

This isn’t journalism, true mainstream journalism died generations ago…if it ever truly existed. This isn’t even propaganda, the coherent and dishonest distortion of reality to suit an agenda. This is rudderless, leaderless, meaningless. It is the dying breath of a flabby king. The wild-eyed, claw-handed, scrabbling desperation of brittle delusions impacting a hard truth.
It’s a drunk muttering threats in a doorway, an old man shaking his fist at the sky. A tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury and signifying nothing. It’s almost sad.

Almost.

Kit Knightly is co-editor of OffGuardian. The Guardian banned him from commenting. Twice. He used to write for fun, but now he's forced to out of a near-permanent sense of outrage.

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Luke McKinley Buchanan

AMAZING COMIC!

Septimus Plantpot

Nick Cohen’s latest offering in the Guardian attempts to portray Nigel Farage and Julian Assange as representatives of a modern-day totalitarian Hitler-Stalin Pact, based purely on the grounds that Nigel Farage recently paid a social visit to Assange in the Ecuadorian Embassy. He also refers to Assange as an alleged rapist.
But Ukip has always been opposed the issue of a European arrest warrant against Assange, whereas people on the Left (including many Greens and some Women’s groups) have opposed his enforced incarceration on the grounds that he has already been interviewed (twice) by Swedish prosecutors, the evidence against him looks concocted and he has not actually been charged with anything.
Currently, the evidence against Assange seems to consist of one split condom with no human dna on it, and the statement provided by a woman who was not supposed to have been staying in the flat with him, continued to boast about partying with him long after the alleged assault had taken place and was allegedly thrown out of Cuba for spying for the CIA. Meanwhile, Plaintiff 2 does not even appear to have signed her police statement. Not exactly a copper-bottomed case on which to pin an accusation of rape, but it does not seem to stop Nick Cohen…

Richard S! Preston

I’ve read this article a few times – I followed a link a facebook friend posted on their feed – and I can’t find a single fact here. Sure, there’s a lot of sneering at Nick Cohen for being a liberal, and denying anything he’s said is true, but you don’t back it up with anything; no links to reputable news sites or academic studies, nothing.
I was willing to take a look at what I assumed was a fact-check blog for The Guardian (after all, liberals don’t have the monopoly on facts) but this is just another right-wing blogger saying “That guy who I don’t agree with? He’s CRAZY!” and going “Nuh-UH!” for a couple of paragraphs. I’m disappointed, but by no means shocked.

Alessandro
Alessandro

I think the point here, Richard S! Preston (what does the S! stand for?), is to just let Cohen’s writing speak for itself. Substitute every instance of Russian with communist, every instance of Putin for Lenin and see how the piece reads then, and who Cohen is taking his lines from.
Also, since when did criticizing jingoism become “right wing?” This is how warped the political sphere has become. It is very possible to criticize the Guardian from the left, in fact leftists have far more reason to oppose its transformation into a voice of third way-ism than anyone on the right.

Richard S! Preston

Most criticism I’ve seen of jingoism lately has been dismissed as “unpatriotic” and “talking the country down”. As for Cohen’s article, at least he linked to other sources to back up his claims. Kit’s response does nothing of the sort. There was a chance for Kit to do a decent fisking (like Adam Worth’s superb piece on the absurdly naive pro-Brexit article Andrew Marr wrote for The New Statesman) but instead it was just childish sneering.
Oh, and the “S” stands for Simon. It’s my father’s name.

tangibletruth
tangibletruth

Richard – The above article is an opinion piece aimed at an informed audience. I understood its point and it was made well. Sometimes there is a lot of sense to the adage “never wrestle with a chimney sweep”. Arguing fact for fact only works when both sides act with integrity, otherwise you’re wasting your time and obfuscating your point.
Cohen acts with no integrity. Cohen does not link to sources to back up his claims. He links to a series of facts to do with Russia – some well-known facts, some disputed and a lot of hearsay and all of which are entirely unconnected accept by his own paranoia and circular reasoning. He interprets these in the form of a flimsy, inflated and hysterical opinion in order to, I guess, sell copies of the Guardian by tapping into public fear.
He leaps to opinions like “[Trump] sees Russia as the west’s partner against radical Islam just as it was its partner against Hitler” with no logical progression and no external link to justify this bizarre statement. He has clearly reasoned backwards from a pre-selected conclusion. This is not respectable journalism – it is ill-informed and sensationalist garbage.
Most informed people can see this clearly. You, however, do not. But this is not the fault of this article by Kit. It is beyond the scope of the article above, itself an opinion piece, to debate fact for fact Cohen’s article as – and this is the premise of the above article – it does not deserve this amount of respect, it is clearly intellectually corrupt.
You also seem to think a journalist at Cohen’s level deserves points for effort. He does not. If you glance back on this website you will find articles dealing in detail with all the misinformation peddled in Cohen’s piece. There’s some good reading there.
All the best,

Richard S! Preston

Sooo… asking somebody to provide facts is wrong, but Cohen is definitely wrong because reasons.
That’s nice

MLS
MLS

What claims do you consider require sourcing?
The claim that Nick Cohen’s headline is what Kit says it is? – Well, that’s sourced.
The claim this is a crazy opinion to hold? Can’t really be sourced can it? It’s a subjective opinion.
The claim Kit has written many point by point refutations of other Guardian writers in the past? That is easy to establish by looking in the sidebar of this article
The claim there’s no evidence for Russia funding the far right etc etc? How do you propose sourcing to an absence of evidence? The point has been covered many time here by other writers. If you think there is such evidence, produce it.
The claim not all Brexiters are Nazis? You think that needs proving?

Richard S! Preston

If it’s so easy to provide a factual refutation of Cohen’s articles, why doesn’t THIS post do it? Why bother denying the presence of Russia funding the far right, when there IS evidence, you lot just keep pretending there isn’t? You want proof, here you go!
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=russia+funding+far+right
Also, a bit disingenuous to pretend that every neo-Nazi group in the world isn’t anti-EU/pro-Brexit, but I guess that’s what I should expect from this place.

Sav
Sav

Read Nick Cohen’s work and see for yourself.

Richard S! Preston

I did – Cohen at least linked to other sources, because that’s what journalism is about: showing your work, explaining how you came to your conclusion. Kit’s response is, as I said, merely a childish “Nuh-UH!”, when Kit could’ve just PROVEN why Cohen was wrong, instead of merely asserting it without a shred of evidence.
And I’m sure this and my other posts will be downvoted, because that’s what happens to anyone who dares to ask if something can be proven these days…

pavlovscat7
pavlovscat7

So does Cohen ‘prove’ his depositions with proven substantiation or confirmation bias? Your logic gets voted down because you disappear up your own eductions. Yours is fake real news…and theirs is real fake news.

Richard S! Preston

Better than no proof whatsoever. I stand by my criticism of this post, and of this blog.

John
John

Cohen is no neo-liberal. He is an arch-zionist, plain and simple. He is all talk and no evidence.
He is using the typical hasbara approach, i.e. diverting peoples’ attentions away from the barbarism of the zionist state towards other matters that bear no relevance to the vicious vile zionist regime.
He has sucked you in, well and truly!

Richard S! Preston

I didn’t see much mention of Israel in the original article, but okay.

pavlovscat7
pavlovscat7

Well spotted John….anybody seen binra?

Sav
Sav

Cohen linked to other sources for what?
Having a group of people in the media propagating bullshit by cross linking to each other with unsubstantiated guff is not journalism. Anyone can do that.
Cohen is an unrepentant Iraq war supporter. Even after all the chaos and death he continues to. The man is a sick sociopathic arsehole. He doesn’t give a shit about anyone but himself.
Not content with the lies he printed over Iraq and Libya he then continues with Syria:
‘blockquote’ ‘To grasp the scale of the barbarism, listen to Hamza Fakher, a pro-democracy activist, who is one of the most reliable sources on the crimes the regime’s news blackout hides. “The repression is so severe that detainees are stacked alive and kicking in shipping containers and disposed off in the middle of the sea,” he told me.’

John
John

Cohen is an arch-zionist who supports the Yinon Plan.
What other kind of rubbish could he possibly write?

Richard S! Preston

No. You don’t get to act high and mighty because Cohen at least tried to back up what he was saying, when this blog was nothing but as a 15 year old meme and flat denials

Sav
Sav

Act high and mighty? You need to stop projecting.
So in your world if Journo A makes unsubstantiated claims and then Journo B links to Journo A as evidence -that amounts to journalism to you?
The point here is that there is no evidence. Exactly what should have been linked to, to back this up – a blank page?

Richard S! Preston

Once more from the top… if the evidence is faulty, then PROVE it’s faulty. Don’t just say it is and declare yourself the winner!
This is bad logic used to defend bad writing, and I’m done banging my head against the brick wall that is this comment section

pavlovscat7
pavlovscat7

Are you really banging your head against a brick wall.? A real headbanger would at least provide some dull thuds for provenance.

mohandeer

The problem with your logic and argument in favour of cohen and against Kit is that just about everything cohen says can be proven. It’s very much a case of “where does one start”?

mohandeer

I meant to say “dis” proven – apologies

Richard S! Preston

At least he’s TRYING to prove his statements. Kit just says Cohen’s wrong and demands a pat on the back for it

pimatters

“Cohen at least linked to other sources, because that’s what journalism is about” What!! Since when has British journalism (I struggle with that term as I think ‘lobbyism’ works much better) been about sources. Most ‘lobbyism’ in this country is about hiding or even making up sources. ‘One politician said’, ‘one insider explained’ etc Of course I would like it to be different. I think the writer is also making the point that in other articles he has contradicted cohen’s position with evidence and argument but in this case, it is so outlandish that he can’t. it is just such drivel.

Richard S! Preston

Okay, once more for the children round here… Burden of proof rests with the ACCUSER. Cohen gave links to back up his claims, and this pathetic excuse of a blog just went “Nick’s wrong because I say so!” and you all clapped like the braindead seals you are.
I have asked for you all to provide proof, and the best you can do is go “Well, it’s so OBVIOUS!”, and “Well, read the other articles on the blog!”. If it’s so obvious, then PROVE it. If the other blog posts about Cohen prove he’s wrong, why doesn’t THIS blog post prove it? If Cohen is making up source, PROVE they are made up – just saying “they’re made up because they are” just exposes you lot as idiots who can’t back up anything you say.
I wouldn’t have come back to this circlejerk of a blog if you hadn’t thrown you hissy fit six months after everyone else here had proven they were impervious to logic.

Septimus Plantpot
Septimus Plantpot

That’s just silly. I don’t hold any particular affection for Assange, but a split condom with no human dna supplied by 2 women who went to ground shortly after their allegations surfaced does not impress me either.
Assange has been interviewed twice by Swedish prosecutors and they’ve come up with nothing as far as I can see (and I want you to underline this in your school notebook). No actual evidence. Full stop. And he name-calling merely serves to highlight the fact that you’ve already lost the argument. 🙂

Richard S! Preston

Could you please tell me where you heard this, or would providing evidence be neo-liberal lobbying?
Also, you’re once again running to the “You’re wrong because we say so!” well again, as well as projecting your own childishness. Given how infantile you’ve all been when I ask for the slightest shred of evidence, I think I’m justified in being a little frustrated.

pavlovscat7
pavlovscat7

We have a stinker like Cohen in Oz…. Joe Hildebrand be his name. Ex and current Murdoch minion and now facetious funny man on a daytime tv show with a bunch of condescending, so-called celebrity women who rabbit on inanely, 5 days a week, sucking the last remnants of intelligence from its female audience. Hildebrand, I can only imagine being cast there by the machinations of the producers to show the female audience that although the female cast are taking them for a ride..its acceptable because Joe plays the role of a bigger arsehole than the women (sic).

Alessandro
Alessandro

What strikes me most about this article is that there are entire paragraphs that sound like sarcasm if read outside the context of the entire piece. Take for instance:
“Nationalism always breaks its promises because nationalists hate enemies in their countries more than they hate the enemies of their countries. Millions of American conservatives proved it when they voted for Donald Trump, even though he was an open admirer of a hostile foreign power.”
Huh? Is the latest conclusion pulled out of the collective rear end of the liberal media that Donald Trump is a nationalist? I would like to know what that makes Barack Obama, who people seem to have forgotten so easily rode a similar populist wave to office in 2008 and used “make America great again” style rhetoric in his speeches too. Nationalism is expansionist – Obama checks off that box and then some. But it doesn’t really matter because it’s a meaningless assertion to begin with. Then:
“If that is not enough for you, consider that the CIA once inspired fear around the world. Now it is so feeble it cannot stop a Russian plot in plain sight to manipulate a US election.”
Uh…? Even the widest-eyed of gullible political observers couldn’t be so naive and stupid as to believe the CIA can’t stop an alleged phishing attack if it wants to, right? These and other assertions are so ridiculous I think he can’t possible be in earnest, but the entire piece makes it clear that, in fact, he is. Ignoring evidence and taking everything on faith used to be the hallmark of the right, now liberals are taking up the same banner.

pavlovscat7
pavlovscat7

Anyway…have they worked out who is going to get Japan post election?

Seraskier
Seraskier

You know things have gone awry when the Graun is touting Boris Johnson as the face of democracy and light in the face of “Russian dirty tricks”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/10/putin-moscow-boris-johnson-hacking-democratic-national-committee-russia

Sav
Sav

The MSM will question Boris over the smallest little thing and yet they don’t ask him about his total change in view on Syria after his cabinet post.

Norman Pilon

The real skinny on the DNC hacks (for all of you Neil Breen fans out there — I’m his biggest fan):

pavlovscat7
pavlovscat7

WOW!…. Neil Breen has hacked into the matrix and discovered there is no Santa Clause..WOW!! Oh revelation! Oh joy! How could we be so blind?

pavlovscat7
pavlovscat7

P.S. and yuz reknn I can take the piss.

falcemartello

Post war Italy circa the late 40’s and 50’s. My grandparents going to church on Sunday and hearing the priest state that Stalins Russia/communist’s eat their babies. NuFin changed since then the lies r just the same the people are similar the hate is palpable the ignorance is abundant. It is so sad that here in the west when so many people r supposedly educated. More access to knowledge . More post secondary educated humans than ever. No sense of history . We here in the west r dying. Morally and intellectually bankrupt in journalism in philosophy in economics. TIME FOR A PARADIGM SHIFT B4 IT IS 2 LATE

Brian Harry, Australia
Brian Harry, Australia

Pope Pius the 12th, was known as “Hitler’s Pope” after a deal they did allowing Hitler(a Catholic) to do what he did without interference from the Pope………..
If/whenever you hear things like “Communists(or anyone else at all) eat their babies”, you’ve just GOT to know that it is propaganda and complete Bullsh!t………

Arrby

Yes. That’s the infamous Concordat.

Arrby

There’s a few of us who never shifted over to ‘riches for the strongest’. The golden rule (of care about others the way you would have them care about you) was just fine. A few individuals here and there may have a change of heart. But it won’t happen on any grand scale, which is why the angel told John ‘Let he who is doing unrighteousness do it’. You can try to encourage – only ‘encourage’ – people to care, but that’s all. It is a matter of choice. Then comes judgment.

binra

Give only as you would (in truth) receive. I added ‘in truth’ because in self rejecting judgement we attract and receive punishment -or interpret our experience through the lens of denial to feel denied and deprived. Guilt inherently attracts or expects punishment – even if then redefined as ‘healthy, normal or ‘someone else’s fault’ and therefore worthy of giving pain to…
Once a false currency propagates and is accepted true – blame and hate become pervasive guilt and fear that drives a false economy and a false sense of social cohesion. False foundations operate as foundations just as an inverted map can give ‘directions’. But conflict with our true being.
True choice is proportionate to true worth. If we neither accept ourselves or each other worthy – we will not see choice in terms of creative freedom of being – and so don’t really ‘see’ at all, but are triggered to conditioned reaction of roles and strategies of survival set in our past – that re-enact such separation trauma over the present into the future – with no real presence of shared appreciation.
The corruption of the rule operates ‘give only to get rid of, so as to get from or at expense of’. But at the level of creative mind, giving is the way to KEEP. The worth I extend – I get to meet and live in. I can reach to your creative freedom – but I cant make you drink thereof – nor would I.
A bankrupt world has forgotten true choice with is inherent responsibility to thought and feeling – in exchange for a managed sleepwalking existence in miser-y. Perhaps because the ‘mortal mind’ simply cannot cope with what living calls for. That’s not it’s function or capacity.

Steven Smith
Steven Smith

Well, if the Syrian/Russian coalition didn’t intentionally target hospitals then they have t=some of the worst front line spotters or GPS/mapping technology because by the end all of Eastern Aleppo’s hospitals were destroyed.

Brian Harry, Australia
Brian Harry, Australia

Is that so?….The question is “By Whom”?

jag37777

Can you supply us with some empirical evidence for your assertions please, Steven?

pavlovscat7
pavlovscat7

Look! the hospitals were destroyed by the Communo/ Ishmaeli coalition set down in the verbal of genesis 16;12…and ratified by Jane Standley of the BBC,,a good twenty minutes before you asked the question. So If that’s not proof then I’ll quit the bar.

Laguerre
Laguerre

Hospitals wouldn’t have been destroyed had they been identified as such, rather than hidden away. In any case, how many hospitals were really destroyed, and how many were propaganda “destructions” for the western media remains highly in doubt. What is not in doubt is the rebel deliberate bombardment of the large publicly identified hospital complex in west Aleppo (of which I forget the name), because they videoed it themselves.

John
John

The reason hospitals may have been destroyed is because the ISIS terrorists who took them over refused to provide GPS co-ordinates for them and – in fact – used them to house their personnel and weapons in their basements.
They used their so-called and self-styled “white helmets” to publicise attacks on their bogus hospitals.
We – and you – are all living in a different era, where terrorists use any ploy, regardless of the sufferings of innocent people – to achieve their goals and aims.
Look at what they did to the poor Yazidis.
However, they picked the wrong guy to mess with when they tried to take on Assad.
You may have been taken in by terrorist propaganda but he certainly was not.

TFS
TFS

Nothing like linking us to the EVIDENCE supporting you mouth, is there Steven.

pavlovscat7
pavlovscat7

LOOK!… Does it really matter who destroyed the hospitals?… I mean, the Israeli medical facilities in the Golan Heights can still patch up the Jihadis and send them back into the fray in Syria. So then Rupert Murdoch and Baron Rothschild can go on drilling for gas and oil there. Oh!..and also have Haaretz boast about all that and rub it in your face.

Manda
Manda

Oh dear.
I suggest you search out Vanessa Beeley and Eva Bartlett’s reporting from Syria and Aleppo. Reverend Andrew Ashdown as well.

Norman Pilon

“Hi, I’m Steven. John Smith’s brother. Tom Johnson’s brother-in-law. I’m American. We are exceptional. We disdain facts because we can. We create our own reality, because Karl Rove says we do, and Karl Rove is another American, like me, but a lot more exceptional than me in that he was educated, but not too smart by even American standards, otherwise he would have been a Democrat, not a Republican, on his own admission. Now to quote one of Rove’s created realities, so that ya’ll get with the program, “[w]e face a brutal enemy who will kill the innocent for one purpose and that is to gain control of the Middle East and to use the leverage of oil to bring down the West, and to attack us again.” So ya see, we gotta turn reality on its head, otherwise it will look like we are the ones guilty of what we are accusing others.” — Steven Smith.

mohandeer

Good one Norman, Steven, Tom or Smith & Jones. Nearly fell off the sofa, laughing so hard. Even my dog decided to join me on the floor to better see what I was reading.
Keep up the good work.

Colynn Burrell
Colynn Burrell

But not by Russians or the Syrian Army.

falcemartello

Yes Steven and all those moderate rebels great humanitarians. The west and their oligarchs along with their representative members of various pairliament and governments r knee deep in crimes against humanity. If their is justice. Oba,ma and all his western rackateers will be tried at the Haig for crimes of aggression and crimes against humanity. Mr Steven Smith I suggeest u ask the residence of the newly liberated east Aleppo what their thoughts r on those TAKFIRI wahabbist fascist (moderate rebels). Imperical evidence ,facts and truth plus logic might lead u to some discerning insight when it comes to things of the ME.
P>S I suggest maybe u change ur sources of information

jag37777

Cohen gave the game away at the outset. The Euston Manifesto was an obvious spook front to make islamophobia (and the resource wars in the ME) acceptable to otherwise leftist leaners.
Cohen thought he could gain the fame and fortune of that more eloquent paid windbag Christopher Hitchens.

rtj1211
rtj1211

COhen also writes for The Spectator, the little weekly sister in the Telegraph group stable. The readership there makes Berlusconi seem like a communist, so ascribing socialist views to Cohen is a bit laughable.
Cohen peddles his words for a fee wherever he can find punters (using terms associated with prostitutes is entirely apposite).
The only thing to say about him is that he knows nothing about consequences, living in a London bubble far away from the deadly effects of bombs.

melanie
melanie

I find it amusing females are planning a protest march on Washington Jan 21. Are they protesting a crackdown on free sex from Muslim rapists?

Brian Harry, Australia
Brian Harry, Australia

Is your comment relevant to anything?

mohandeer

Melanie – you really need to get a grip – of something, anything. What on earth is your comment doing on a site dedicated to meaningful discussion of relevant events and journalism?

Norman Pilon

Maybe Melanie is multitasking, browsing multiple pages at once, and meant to comment elsewhere, got distracted, and commented here instead.
It’s hard to tell, too, whether her comment isn’t a tad wistful — at first blush, of course.

mohandeer

Oh Norman, that is the kindest “interpretation” this creature is likely to receive.

Norman Pilon

Oh, my! I just re-read your first comment.
O_O ;D :’‑)

L Garou
L Garou

Their true colors are showing, and it’s, red red and red.
The commies have left Russian and gone home, it seems.
Right back where they started from – NYC..

Sorry, Not Buying It
Sorry, Not Buying It

Your comment is obscurantist trash (right-wing detritus).

Norman Pilon

I wasn’t sure how to read his comic. I decided it was irony. But it does cut both ways. Or does it?

mohandeer

After the McCarthyite insanity, you still think there are reds under the bed?
Wow, they must have a big set since it has taken 40 years for centrist socialism to poke it’s head above the parapets in the guise of Democrat Bernie Sanders and he sold out in deference to Clinton or was pushed out with rigged elections/threats against his life and loved ones.
What a strange post and what an even wilder claim to make.

Seraskier
Seraskier

It is fascinating that official American announcements that they are taking steps towards the political assassination of the leader of North Korea hasn’t garnered a single qualm from the beer-fuelled berk, Cohen.

Brian Harry, Australia
Brian Harry, Australia

Not to mention the actual political assassination of Gadhafi, and Saddam Hussein. Cohen is only fit to be a ‘real’ Journalist’s garbage can….

John
John

If their “success” against Fidel Castro is anything to go by, the leader of North Korea has little to fear.

mohandeer

They couldn’t “get”(topple) Sadam Hussein either, so they just bombed the s**t out of Baghdad and the rest of the country.

lawrencesroberts

Reblogged this on idontbelieveitagain and commented:
Poor Old Cohen, it had to happen sometime.

ho
ho

Cohen’s an awful writer, and his thinking isn’t too great. How can editors let so much rubbish pass like this? I dunno, perhaps I expect too much, like minimal standards of competence? Anyway, how can the Russians be guilty of ‘treachery’? The word and concept of ‘treachery’ has a meaning, yes, I know this is a quaint idea these days, that words have meaining, instead of being twisted and turned like elastic bands to mean almost anything. Cohen seems to use it, and, Christ, this guy is paid to use language… well, as if it just means ‘super-most-bad-in-the-whole-universe.’ There’s something juvenile about his scary cartoon world. But, I agree, it’s a sign of singular desparation that he’s taken to ranting like this. For the first time in decades a political leader, and not just any one, but the coming president of the United States, is openly questioning the neo-con agenda which leads towards Moscow and war with Russia, if we don’t pull back and put a brake on the war-juggernaut that’s rolling in that direction and gathering momentum. Trump, love him or loathe him, is, at present, the best chance of slowing the juggernaut down, giving us a breathing space and time to think and act, beofre it’s too late.
What’s sad is how few people, liberals, lefties and conservatives, understand this, letting their visceral hatred of Trump blind them to this harsh reality. In this context the use of the Rolling Stones by Trump is interesting. ‘You can’t always get what you want, but sometimes you get what you need.’

Brian Harry, Australia
Brian Harry, Australia

“How can editors let so much rubbish pass like this? I dunno”
Because they get paid by the owners of the Guardian(in this case) and they know that(as Rupert Murdoch famously said years ago, “My editors know exactly what I want them to say”) The Piper calls the tune.

falcemartello

@Brian ,Australia. They allow debate and conversation . The rubbish will always sink and relevant discussion will always garner weight on this website. Thats why it’s called ”OFF THE GUARDIAN”

mohandeer

Reblogged this on Worldtruth and commented:
UK mainstream media is just as much a splurge of garbage as in the US. Russian haters rule the MSM and keep up the pretense of so-called Russian Aggression totally skirting round the giant elephant in the room to the extent that they may as well be babbling on trying to convince people black is white. It has left the Guardian looking like a shabby has been – which it is, but worse, the wheels have come off including the steering wheel. Once upon a time, the Guardians readership thought it was a sad joke, now they just consider it a joke, as with so many other MSM toilet rags and still they ponder why there has been such a massive drop off in their ratings.

michaelk
michaelk

Cohen is, really, a piece of work. Assange isn’t ‘cowering’ in the embassy, he’s been granted political asylum by Ecuador. Cohen states that Assange is facing ‘charges of rape’ in Sweden. This is completely untrue and is probably a libel. Assange hasn’t been charged with anything, let alone rape. There are accusations and rumours, but not charges. It’s odd that Sweden hasn’t actually charged Assange with something, after so many years, which, surely, has to tell one something about the strength of the case against Assange. Why let him leave Sweden in the first place if the authorities believed he’d raped two women?
Cohen mentions, in passing, Assange’s lack of honour for not coming out to face the ‘charges’, suppsedly this is what real men, like Cohen, men, like Cohen who apparently have honour to burn, would do. The grotesque irony here is hard to overlook, or forgive. I dunno about the rest of you, but the thought of men like Cohen occupying positions of influence in UK public life fills me with disgust.

Amanda Lothian

charges cannot be levelled under swedish law until the suspect has been interviewed

Brian Harry, Australia
Brian Harry, Australia

He was interviewed several years ago, and was allowed to leave Sweden with no charges laid…..The women themselves have apparently said they weren’t raped.

David Wedler

The definition of rape in Sweden is much broader and includes things that would be considered sexual assault in other countries..
A full catalogue of accusations against Assange can be found here..
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2010/dec/17/julian-assange-sweden
Please read to the end as this describes some flaws with the accusations.

Brian Harry, Australia
Brian Harry, Australia

If Assange had broken Swedish rape laws, he would have been charge by the Swedish police, when he was interviewed by them all those years ago. But, they didn’t lay charges, and Assange was released and allowed to leave Sweden, by the Swedish Legal System.
The “Allegations” of Assange’s guilt are Politically motivated, probably by the USA, bullying the Swedes.
But, the European countries won’t ‘stand up’ against the USA, who seem to Bully any country that ‘disobeys’ them.
And yet, the USA cannot run their own country in any sort of reasonable way themselves.

Yonatan
Yonatan

The two women went to the Swedish police to ask if Assange’s actions constituted rape – a classic way of avoiding being charged with making false accusations. The act is even more blatant given that the older of the two women was a hardcore Swedish feminist and was fully aware of Swden’s rape laws. The younger women eventually said she wanted nothing to do with the persecution of Assange and disappeared without a trace.

Brian Harry, Australia
Brian Harry, Australia

“The younger women eventually said she wanted nothing to do with the persecution of Assange and disappeared without a trace”
Are you serious? “dissapeared without a trace”?
In this day and age, the only people who “dissapear without a trace”, are those being ‘Liberated’ by the Military Industrial Complex……….

mohandeer

Sweden doesn’t need any bullying from the US & is happy to bash Russia, Putin and Assange if it will serves against Russia. One of the biggest anti Putin US NGO funded organisations in Russia is Sweden based. The woman running the campaign is an avid detractor of Putin’s and a right wing Russian elitist. Victoria Nuland paid her a visit to congratulate her on her sterling work of stirring up opposition to Putin.
Information from the Swedish Govt. is not very forthcoming precisely because they do not have a case against Assange and most of it’s ministers who oppose Russia would rather not admit it.

Frank
Frank

”The definition of rape in Sweden is much broader and includes things that would be considered sexual assault in other countries.”
Yes, you might be absolutely correct, but of course this is irrelevant since Assange hasn’t been CHARGED with anything. Moreover, the fact that Cohen asserts that Assange is facing ‘rape charges’ if he returns to Sweden, which he isn’t, is a prima facie case of outright slander. The fact that the Guaran’s editors let this pass speaks volumes about their respect for the rule of law.

Ross Hendry

I thought they had interviewed him – at the embassy, or didn’t that go ahead in the end?

Manda
Manda

It was delayed but I am pretty sure the interview went ahead in the end. Haven’t time to trawl the WikiLeaks twitter time line tonight and all has been quiet on the subject since as far as I’m aware.

Manda
Manda

From Craig Murray. A reminder Assange was interviewed by Swedish prosecutors last November over several days apparently.
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2017/01/julian-assange-not-charged-anything/

michaelk
michaelk

Actually, that’s not correct. It’s perfectly possible to charge someone under Swedish law with an offence without having to interveiw them first. This happens routinely in Sweden. Anyway, Assange has been interviewed in relation to the allegations by the chief prosecutor in Stockholm who decided there was no case to answer. That was her legal opinion that surely has to carry some weight? The first person to raise the question of ‘rape’, which has a broader definition than it does under UK or US law, wasn’t one of the women involved, but was uttered by a policewoman, who, incedentally, knew one of the women socially. So one could see this as a personal and emotional response by the policewoman to the situation and not a calm and precise judicial judgement in relation to the actual facts. The policewoman is entitled to her opinon, but that doesn’t make it correct in law.

michaelk
michaelk

What I find strange and I’ve had difficulty finding out if this is normal practice in Sweden, which kind of indicates that it isn’t, is that after the chief prosecutor in Stockholm looked at the case and read the transcripts, she concluded that no crime had been committed, and probably thought about how hard it would be to prove any of it in court, and decided there was no point or reasons for going forward with charginng or arresting Assange and he was free to leave Sweden.
Then, somehow, the whole thing was released to the Swedish media and suddenly the case in all over the front pages and Assange is being called a double rapist and a monster. Within hours an ex politician from the Social Democrats becomes involved, because he too knows one of the women involved. He then decides to find another prosecutor and get them involved. Obviously he doesn’t look in Stockholm because the prosecutor in Stockholm has looked at the facts and dropped it. So the lawyer goes right the way to the other side of Sweden to Gothenburg, where he finds a prosecutor he knows ‘specialises’ in these kind of ‘sexcrime’ cases and as both of them have a common agenda, she agrees to look at the case again.
As far as I can assertain, this ‘fishing for a willing prosecutor’ is extremely unusua, if not acutally unique,l in Sweden, under Swedish law. The alleged offences, after all, happened in Stockholm not Gothenburg and the relevant authorities looked at the evidence and transcripts and droppe it, yet, suddenly a prosecutor in Gothenburg gets involved and questions the competence and credibility of the Stockholm prosecutor. This is very, very, unusual indeed, or unique, it’s hard to tell which. One would imagine that the new prosecutor in Gothenburg must have seen something incredibly important in the evidence or transcipts of the interviews, that the proescutor had overlooked to justify her becoming involved, no? What could that be? Yet, still she doesn’t order charges or the arrest of Assange and still allows him to leaved the country, when she has weeks to make up her mind. Then suddenly, once Assange leaves Sweden, she issues an International Arrest Warrant for him, still without charging him with a specific offense!
It’s all very odd. They believe they have a strong enough case that warrants issuing the arrest order , but not enough evidence to stop him leaving the country and not enough to charge him with something. They want another interview, yet as Assange has denied the allegations already during the previous interview, what do they expect him to say the next time that’ll change things? It’s all very odd. No wonder people think it’s all a frame-up.

pavlovscat7
pavlovscat7

Bigger Question!..Why, if he is such a threat to the establishment…is he alive and breathing? The bronze statue isn’t talking.

Daniel Margrain

In my view he and others are on the payroll of M15/M16.

Manda
Manda

I like your work but I have to sit on the fence on that one. I can easily see Greenwald in that scenario though.

Seamus Padraig
Seamus Padraig

Since I so dislike Nick Cohen, it really is nice to see him in such pain. As ‘Dieter’ (Mike Myers) used to say during the old ‘Sprockets’ skit on Saturday Night Live: “His agony is gorgeous!”

Seamus Padraig
Seamus Padraig

Continuing my earlier train of thought, Cohen’s misery is also good news because it constitutes yet more proof that we have now seen peak New World Order. In retrospect, I think most of us will agree that 2016 was definitely a historical turning point: Brexit, Trump, Syrian victory in Aleppo, China becoming the world’s largest economy. All of this is why liberals are in a state of complete and total panic. They are starting to realize that there is nothing at all inevitable about their little ‘end of history’. They are starting to realize that, as Bush once said: “This sucker could go down.”

falcemartello

. @ Seamus Padrig. Liberals died with the colonisation of Palestine in 48. Last I heard the King of liberals in now in a Nursing home PHILL DONAGHUE. I my self think that identity politics has numbed the brain with terms of left right ,liberal conservative. Obama was not a liberal. He was well right of centre. Bernie Sanders was not a democratic socialist but a large L liberal. Hillary and Bubba Clinton were progressive conservatives. Jimmy Carter was small l liberal.

Greg Bacon

What does Nikki have to say about Israel operatives deliberately trying to take out Brit politicians?

Exclusive: Israel’s parliamentary plot against UK politicians
REVEALED: Secret tapes expose Israeli influence over UK Conservative Party
LONDON – A senior political officer at the Israeli Embassy in London has been secretly filmed talking about how he would like to “take down” UK foreign office minister Alan Duncan, a vocal opponent of illegal Israeli settlement building in the West Bank.
He said Duncan, who is one of the few Conservative ministers to speak out over settlements, was causing “a lot of problems”. He also called Boris Johnson, the foreign secretary, “an idiot”.
In a separate conversation with the embassy staffer, Crispin Blunt, the chairman of the Commons Foreign Affairs Committee, was described as being “on the hit list” for his views which were “strongly pro-Arab rather than pro-Israel”.
http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/revealed-secret-tapes-expose-israeli-influence-over-uk-conservative-party-662911554

John
John

The zionists in the US have cultivated a nest of traitors around the centres of power, who I label as neo-traitors, in that they place their loyalty to zionist Israel before their own country.
It seems the UK has now imported a similar nest of neo-traitors into the heart of UK Government.
When will people in the UK, US and elsewhere finally wake up and realise that zionism is one of the most vile ideologies on Earth and that the racist supremacist zionists will do anything to get their way, even if that entails destroying their hosts? Such people and regimes can literally be described as parasites.
It is high time that everyone on Earth realised that individuals like Netanyahu, Bennett, Regev and their insidious hangers-on are utter scum. They should all be permanently ostracised.