The plain truth about terrorism

or why the “oops we accidentally let ISIS get our guns” excuse does not work…

We get a few people here saying some variant on “ISIS, al Qaeda etc are all the unlooked-for by-producet of the criminal western policy in the Middle East.” It’s one of the would-be middle-of-the-road positions occupied as much through fear of what lies beyond it than for any inherent value it contains. It’s still possible to be considered relatively mainstream and hold this position. Sensible people like Robert Fisk and Noam Chomsky promote it. There’s only one problem with it really, namely that it is not true. Recent leaks/releases of government documents have put it beyond question that the US, its Gulf allies and NATO at very least willingly got behind the creation of extreme jihadist groups and have been funding such groups in their attempts to overthrow the legitimate Syrian government.
So we thought we’d address that claim very quickly with the help of this graphic originally made by professor Tim Anderson. It makes the point more clearly than many paragraphs of text.
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That’s all you need.
Stop making that bogus and unhelpful claim here or anywhere else.


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pavlovscat7
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pavlovscat7

The evidence of what happened to the seven buildings of the World Trade Centre and the associated damage to adjacent metal vehicles, on the eleventh of September 2001, is comprehensively recorded in Dr. Judy Woods book,’ Where Did The Towers Go’.. Her book is the most researched and recorded document (in the public domain) on what happened on that day. Her evidence is photographic, seismic, magnetic and meteorological.

Admin
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Admin

Please note – this thread is for discussion of the article and related matters – and NOT for 9/11-related debates. We have an entire section devoted to the ongoing questions of 9/11 and many of those articles are open for comment. Please go there for any such discussion.

GTFONWO
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GTFONWO

No, dont do this. Only when we get to the truth, no matter how sickening and horrific, can be get to peace.
Be brave. remember Bonnhoeffer. History condemns treason and treachery, but it also condemns moral cowards.

pavlovscat7
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pavlovscat7

Romeo that admin: I will go there.

pavlovscat7
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pavlovscat7

Congratulations offguard…You have accumulated the biggest stash of, genuine, sincere, humanitarian, concerned, gatekeepers of the wood, that until recently I have never been able to see for the trees. I’m sure everybodys respective mothers are very proud of them:

Jen
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Jen

Pavlovscat7, you’ve been mauled so many times by Norman Pilon and others, you’re stealing some other kitten’s share of nine lives. Go wait your turn in the ether queue.

pavlovscat7
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pavlovscat7

Jen…You would have to like this one wouldn’t you?…..’ConTROLLED opposition goes into damage conTROLL when opposition to conTROLLED opposition shows the con’TROLLED…what’s hiding under the bridge and the canyon, entre nous.

pavlovscat7
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pavlovscat7

Jen? All those kittens falling from the buildings?..all the kittens killed from the subsequent invasions?…That was all done by others wasn’t it? You can’t blame controlled opposition for that dead litter can you Jen? Nothing to do with them..nothing to do with you.?

pavlovscat7
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pavlovscat7

et tu Jen? ….Christ knows what turns up on the hook when one is trolling ‘eh?

Norman Pilon
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Alone in the wilderness. A misunderstood genius. Ignored, even by Admin. Looks like I’m the only friend you’ve got, Mr. Cat. A rat and a Cat, alone and together, lost in Gatekeeper Wood. It’s just me, you and all of the trees, Mr. Cat, and all the trees are ignoring us, which means that the whole forest itself is ignoring us. Now that’s creepy, isn’t it? And what about you, Mr. Cat? Would your Mommy be proud? I’ll bet she once was. I can picture the moment right this instant, one similar to many I’m sure you are able to… Read more »

archie1954
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What useless drivel!

mohandeer
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Archie1954. You have commented before on other OffG articles and always made a decent comment regardless of whether you agreed with the article. Why denounce Norman Pilon but not Cat7
How would you respond to Cat7’s constant barrage of Trolling? Unless of course you agree with Cat7’s beloved Dr. Judy? In which case you are entitled to your opinion, but make a better case for such death rays from outer space than Cat7 does.

pavlovscat7
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pavlovscat7

“DEATH RAYS”….the first resort of the ignoratio elenchi man.

pavlovscat7
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pavlovscat7

“Constant barrage of trolling”?…that’s a good one mohandeerintheheadlights … you kill me…..look at all the fish that caught on the troll. Hows it going in the war room with Pilon?….”You do this!, no you say that! do you think this will work? I dunno, give it a shot!”

archie1954
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You are right, both parties are at fault for tit for tat fancy word games that don’t advance the discussion one little bit!

mohandeer
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guilty as charged, don’t know why I respond to Cat7’s baiting. You are still sensible and succint, I will consider myself as having a swift kick up the derriere by someone who has the right to do so.

pavlovscat7
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pavlovscat7

There is stichomancy in controlled oppositions’ mutual appreciation shtick mohandeerintheheadlights…..repent.

pavlovscat7
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pavlovscat7

An attempted, out of context projection of something contrary Pilon but, to the astute, your attempt to spin a mined -quote on Hutchisons text… was actual evidence of ‘cold fusion…. How did I get back in Pilon?.. Well, I recounted to the secretary of Controlled Opposition Central that meeting he had with you when you said, ” I’m Pilon, I’m a country member”… and the secretary said, “Yes I remember” Have you found your balls yet mohandeerintheheadlights? Heh Jen!…. The subordinate rats had to call in their superiors because the cat wouldn’t let the Sleeper-Dogs lie??… Go to.. “WHERE DID… Read more »

Norman Pilon
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Not only can this cat bray like a donkey, but it can croak like a frog, too. You are a cat of many animal vocalizations, Mr. Cat, and you do those best that are the least self-aware and closest to Nature. I suspect you are outdoor cat, Mr. Cat, and proud of it, pride being the essence of cattiness. But speaking of intimated swamps and Wood-land and of all of that, your latest impression, as of all others you have made so far, reminds me of a poem by Dickinson, the number of which is “260,” and please do forgive… Read more »

pavlovscat7
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pavlovscat7

Well mohandeerintheheadlights…I know “why you respond to cat7s baiting”……you have to steer anybody who is still interested in the actual processes of what microwaved seven buildings on 9/11, TOWARDS, the controlled opposition of Steven Jones and the A@E thermite bullshit..And AWAY, from things like, “WHERE DID THE TOWERS GO” and AWAY, from things like Andrew Johsons’ ” 9/11 FINDING THE TRUTH” Both books and videos freely available…That’s, why you keep responding to me mohandeerintheheadlights…I hope that answered your question:

Norman Pilon
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You cannot answer the question, can you. You have absolutely nothing, don’t you. And so a quick retreat into mumbo-jumbo is, as always, the only defense you can muster, and if you believe the non-sense that you write, you are truly daft, and if not, you are a troll, either paid or freelancing, but nevertheless another form of retard, eh. Let me help you with the meaning of the word “microwave,” which a five second search will reveal to anyone who bothers to search the internet: it is a word used to designate a range of wavelengths on the electromagnetic… Read more »

pavlovscat7
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pavlovscat7

Gee’z you are desperate for a quote to mine aren’t you Norma? Microwave is a general term of just that…you know,eponomous? Did you think there was a giant microwave oven involved you silly numptie?. You’ll get a clue as to some ‘micro’, that means quite small, and ‘waves’..that’s genera for resonant radaited wavelengths if you research The experimental work of John Hutchison…and you might even get a trigger for your next quote to mine there ..and I’m sure your Guru, Steven E. Jones probably knows about all this kind of stuff…. But to really speed up your education Pilon…simply do… Read more »

Norman Pilon
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Idiocy is a condition that ranges on a spectrum between two extremes: on the one hand, an inability to comprehend that comprehends its inability; and, on the other, an inability to comprehend that it does not comprehend what it thinks it does. A cat who suffers from the latter extreme is more confused than one assailed by the former. And Woodianism is the litmus test for the more confused form of stupid: if you comprehend it and with pride, Mr. Cat, you admit to more than most would want to, because, of course, that’s what bloviating blowhards who are dolts… Read more »

mohandeer
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Silly Billy, Norman. Just look to Dr. Judy’s response when Jenkins asked the same question – lamentable to say the least. When you put things in the microwave they disappear, you know. Jenkins asked “Steel?” Answer: even steel. So all though there has been no development of directed microwaves (or photon torpedoes and such like because Star Trek is just a make believe adventure to date), someone has developed this technology(yes, they’ve gone beyond research, quite obviously) and they’re keeping it a secret. We can rule out Russia, China, Korea, Iran, Israel and the US because the ray guns would… Read more »

pavlovscat7
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pavlovscat7

So you will be going to, “WHERE DID THE TOWERS GO”.. archie 1954?….after we see how this little tactic went of course.

Norman Pilon
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Very astute. That’s also what I thought.

pavlovscat7
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pavlovscat7

What you think is what you speak?

pavlovscat7
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pavlovscat7

So admin..pilon speaks for you? Is it true?

pavlovscat7
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pavlovscat7

Look around schoolgirl…there’s nobody left.

jag37777
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Indeed. But it is how many people’s minds work unfortunately.

pavlovscat7
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pavlovscat7

Is my megalomania complete or is there some sort of serendipitous sortes going on in this textual stratum?

Jerry Alatalo
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The 800-pound gorilla in the room, continuing, extremely disturbing fact is that individuals and or/groups supplied ISIS and all the rest of the terrorist mercenary killers with the literal means to carry out massive war crimes in Syria over the last six years. At this moment in time, none of those criminal facilitators, wherever they are on this Earth, have been held legally accountable.

BigB
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BigB

Re: “oops we accidentally let ISIS get our guns”
It may also be worth pointing out to the unconvinced about the ‘accidental furnishing’ of weapons etc. – that the USAAF has developed the Joint Precision Airdrop System (JPADS) – which can land a payload (dropped from 25km out) to within 35-75m of a designated drop zone. Oops, not so accidental then!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Precision_Airdrop_System

pavlovscat7
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pavlovscat7

On the Offguards’ dedicated 9/11 page was text stating that the page could no longer cope with incoming submissions but, 9/11 comments could posted elsewhere on the Offguard. So, svp,… although that murderous false-flag was not the first and has not been the last.. Much, if not most of the submissions here are exponentials on all manner of matters contingent on that exponent demolition day.. As are the real, international murderous acts for which that demolition is used as a justification. The Architects and Engineers Group ….ostensibly an investigative group formed to broadcast evidence as to the causes of the… Read more »

mohandeer
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What you say perfectly aligns with the facts available. Just went over to Norman Pilon’s blog and he has a very good video on the findings. You may well appreciate it: hy.poth.e.sis: a documentary about Steven Jones

pavlovscat7
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pavlovscat7

And here Is another Stephen E. Jones video for the punters mohandeer..and for Dorothy Dixer… if she is still on survivor Island.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DEccFO7Eil Stephen E. Jones sabotaged cold fusion and then 9/11 Truth.
NOTE FROM ADMIN: Steve Jones did NOT “sabotage cold fusion.” Read Mallove’s book on which those bogus claims are allegedly based and refrain from repeating disinformation

kweladave
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kweladave

Your YouTube ‘video’ is no longer available.
One of the really great things about George Orwell was the ability to express complexity using simple, straightforward English. Have you considered emulating him?

pavlovscat7
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pavlovscat7

No mate!…..”YOUR”, youtube video is no longer available…..its pretty neat how you can create and link to those BULLSHIT, video no longer available arifices though:…. Any body that’s not intimidated by this latest bullshit agent can simply access the video by simply typing into youtube..STEVEN JONES SABOTAGED COLD FUSION FUSION AND 9/11….Sorry about that kweladave!

pavlovscat7
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pavlovscat7

Here’s another youtube video you might not like kweladave..”.BASES PROJECT DR JUDY WOOD SECTION ONE AND TWO” no rush to get back to me, I have to go out and check out a new baby…nine pound plus…how we gunn’a rear him?

pavlovscat7
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pavlovscat7

George played ok in the sticks kweladave. Label me something and stand me to one side but, if you really want to see instinct made art form…you couldn’t go past Kafka could you? The Burrow I think was my favourite:

mohandeer
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Totally impressed with your appraisal and references – excellent.

mohandeer
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Reblogged this on Worldtruth and commented:
Glad someone else is saying it, thanks to OffG.
Anyone who believes that terrorist activity was happenstance rather than the US NGO’s with the help of McCain and Carter cutting a deal with Saudi/Qatar and Muslim Brotherhood/al Qaeda is either naive at best or being willfully obdurate. Is it really that much of a mystery how so many £trillions of US tax dollars “disappeared”?

BigB
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BigB

There is enough circumstantial evidence (at least for me) to conclude that Daesh/AQ are still on Washington’s and Langley’s payroll, We know there was a command and control centre in East Aleppo, staffed by Coalition ‘advisers’; and also a command centre in the Sam’aan mountain region that (probably) controlled the coordinated attack with Daesh on Dier Ezzor (and was more than likely destoyed as a result.) The December attack on Palmyra looked suspiciously authored by the USG. Have a quick look at a map of the M20 from Raqqa to Palmyra and you may well wonder how 5,000 terrorists in… Read more »

GTFONWO
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GTFONWO

I like this site very very much. But its high time everyone came to grips with the reality of the Deep State, its bankster and zionist architects and their Yale Skull-and-Bones henchmen.
If you havent uncovered the WTC Building 7 on 911 smoking gun, you’re still being played.
No one wants to go there, because its too horrendous to contemplate. But as Thomas Hardy wrote – “if a way to the better there be, it lies in taking a long hard look at the worst.”

pavlovscat7
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pavlovscat7

Try not to look permanently at the worst GTFONWO…take a comprehending look at the best….Dr Judy Wood.

Norman Pilon
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And what would a “moon beam” be without a bit of poetry to go along with it:
The Overwhelming Implausibility of Using Directed Energy Beams to Demolish the World Trade Center Towers
(I’ll check to see that link works after posting. If not, I’ll post it again but ‘raw’)

pavlovscat7
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pavlovscat7

The gate keeper returns. Slowly coming to the boil of an increasingly desperate, Alex Jones style browbeating. The cats head is harder than the rat.

Norman Pilon
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“The gate keeper returns”
My, aren’t we getting a tad formal. Do you really think you have to announce yourself after it’s obvious to all that you have returned?
And what is that desperation of which you speak that drives you to adopt the mannerism of Alex Jones?
Is trumpeting your name all that you are capable of, Mr. Cat?
And indeed, it’s obvious, eh, even from a lot of pictures, if that’s all you have to go by, that the Cat’s head is much, much thicker than that of the rat’s.

mohandeer
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Norman – glad you responded to Cat7 ‘ cos I’ve decided “It” tests my patience and can find very little redeemable qualities in “it’s” posts – you may have more tolerance for fools or mendacity, I just can’t be arsed with it’s superiority complex.

Norman Pilon
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Aye! I’m done with “it,” too. I can’t for the life of me understand what got into me.
(.|/.)

pavlovscat7
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pavlovscat7

So you will have NO objection, mohandeerintheheadlights..if people go to youtube and type in; BASES PROJECT DR JUDY WOOD SECTION ONE AND TWO?……AFTER ALL…. ….mohandeerintheheadlights…Surely if your acolytes went there, it could only reinforce the loony credentials and reinforce the veracity of your appraisal of Dr. Judy Wood ? Surely? Where is Pilon by the way…rummaging around in the controlled opposition files..looking for irrelevance and quotes to mine? You’re funny mohandeerintheheadlights:

mohandeer
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“You’re funny mohandeerintheheadlights”
Glad one of us is, because your’e not.

mohandeer
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I’m a skeptic of “conspiracy theory” until the evidence is substantial and those who advocate any such theory have facts or proofs which are well compiled and extremely compelling. Having listened to Jenkins interviewing “Dr.” Judy Wood I didn’t know whether to laugh or cry. The thinking behind such a theory – that energy beams from outer space “did it” – was so out there in left field it made exponents of theories which can be shown to be more plausible than the lies told by the “deep state” look bad. Not only did Dr Judy have no facts, or… Read more »

pavlovscat7
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pavlovscat7

But you are the office champion of the Truthocracy Pilon..The Goliath..the suma cum laude of office psychopathy 101…What will mohandeer do if you abandon the field.?..What will my superiority complex do? Revert to imposter syndrome? Where will my mendacity go? You hard men really know how to beat a guy up.

pavlovscat7
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pavlovscat7

So you’ll be going to ” WHERE DID THE TOWERS GO” now?

pavlovscat7
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pavlovscat7

Go you good survivor!

pavlovscat7
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pavlovscat7

EVIDENCE at 10 paces PILON…The schoolgirl “YOU ARES!” are loosing you demographic.

Norman Pilon
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Indeed, do have a listen to the best and get a full measure of Mr. Cat right here:

Norman Pilon
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In connection with Judy Wood and her champion, and to all disinformation campaigns more generally and tailored to the age of the internet, I want to add one final thought, something to keep in mind, I think, as encapsulated in these two short quotes: A) “A honey pot, in intelligence jargon, is a tempting source of information or ‘dangle’ that is set out to lure intended victims into a trap. Ultimately the honey pot is violently and maliciously discredited so as to destroy the credibility of anything stuck to it by association.” -Michael Ruppert, “Crossing the Rubicon,” p. 184. &… Read more »

mohandeer
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Nice one Norman, especially true is the second quote. I apparently got another load of waffle that was supposed to be illuminating – no pun intended, but he really shouldn’t try to show granny how to suck eggs – what he knows about lumens – pun intended, you could fit on a postcard, so I didn’t bother to respond. I don’t think he is out of his spotty stage yet, so hopefully he will troll somewhere else rather than OffG Thanks for being my Knight in shining armour. my amour, my paramour, my….oops, where was I? Oh yes, sucking on… Read more »

pavlovscat7
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pavlovscat7

Stichomancy mohandeerintheheadlights….stichomanthy.. And while you’re on your knees and preying for Pilon. …..repent!

pavlovscat7
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pavlovscat7

Many people have seen that construct years ago Pilon. To the astute, Jenkins came out of that quote-mining exercise more self inflicted victim than victor. The gatekeeper though is entitled to do his job and clutch at his strawmen. Is your mouth as dry as rat Jenkins was pilon?… I see the final part of the original video, where Jenkins’ true colours and purpose were exposed; is missing from the gatekeepers’ constructs and is replaced with random pictures of the inadequate volume of debris that Judy Wood has exposed and tried to explain to the browbeating, disingenuous rodent..plus nice music..Did… Read more »

mohandeer
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Lord above Cat7, but you do have a humungous sanctimonious streak.What is your problem? Why are you even posting on OffG? Your only contribution seems to be as a detractor of anything anyone else may think. Trolling becomes tiresome when it is as relentless as yours and OffG isn’t the only site you visit with your negativity and deliberate snide and subversive opposition. I really don’t think I can give you the benefit of the doubt, you’re just not worth it. Bitchiness is one thing, pure mendacity is quite another.

pavlovscat7
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pavlovscat7

SO you can’t or won’t, comprehend “WHERE DID THE TOWERS GO” either mohandeer?

Norman Pilon
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Oh, and that bit about “. . . the ruins of cruelty . . .” — why, that just teared me up, as you can well imagine . . . Do you have an address where I might send you some flowers? Or would a cat with a big head rather go for some catnip? Here, then, is hoping that one day soon your life will be to you again, my dear Cat, that once again the sun might climb to the horizon, beautiful, and thereby help you to put a bit of trust back into life in spite of… Read more »

Norman Pilon
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“Many people have seen that construct years ago Pilon.” Many have not. They deserve to see it every bit as much as whoever may have. Besides, this is Judy Wood, your scientific idol, at her level best, demonstrating her version of the scientific method, essentially looking at “trusted” photographs and interpreting them in such a way that can only lead to but one possible conclusion, and explaining, not ‘how,’ but ‘that’ the Towers were most incontrovertibly ‘dustified’ and that as a result, the ‘real’ field-of-debris of the Towers was millions of times, not merely six times, the area of the… Read more »

pavlovscat7
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pavlovscat7

Stichomancy Pilon..Stichomancy!.. You confessed to having more than a survivors’ access to records?.. If you want to see some effects of radio frequency (microwaves) on metals and other materials, in EMFs (also microwaves).. You and those who you have not browbeaten into timidity can go to John Hutchisons’ work on the micro…Then to see how the micro can dissociate the macro; go to Dr. Judy Woods work, “WHERE DID THE TOWERS GO?”…Then stichomancers..you can come back here and see Pilons’ and mohandeerintheheadlights’ work in B quote minor:

Admin
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Admin

No more of this provocative nonsense please. You’re monopolising and compromising constructive discussion all over this site.
1)Make your point and cite your sources without insults.
2)Don’t multi-post one-sentence would-be zingers.

This is a polite request. Do NOT ignore it.

mohandeer
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Apologies Admin for my part in this, I should not have let the goading best me. Points duly noted.

pavlovscat7
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pavlovscat7

Look to the Videos people. Pilons and Jenkins still photos, overlaid with their verbals are a disingenuous construct. Look to the videos… see the dynamics of the breakdown. Ask yourself if thermite cutting processes would cause the eruptions you see.? Pilon is not arguing with me or browbeating me with his schoolgirl histrionics… his purpose is to divert you away from “WHERE DID THE TOWERS GO”?

Norman Pilon
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Poor, Mr. Cat. He thinks I am much more important than I am, and by engaging in an imaginary struggle with me, he is wrestling with someone or something, a shadow of his own mind, really, worthy of all the courage and wit he can muster, making his mother proud. Of course, I wholeheartedly agree with him. If you want to find out firsthand what Judy Wood is about, and by implication what Mr. Cat is also about, go the source. I can’t imagine in what way Mr. Cat believes that I’m an obstacle to the truth about Judy Wood.… Read more »

mohandeer
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|Nobody wants to say it in case they get tarred and feathered, such is the fore planning that has gone into this “big lie”. A few years ago I thought it rather far fetched, but the information available now, puts such reporting well beyond the slander of tin foil hatters musings. I’m with you on this, but credit to BigB, because regardless of who pays the piper, the terrorists are still in the “US” and it’s 54th State’s payroll.

BigB
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BigB

Better late than never, there was a three month debate on WTC7 and all things 9/11 last year. Guess you missed it?

pavlovscat7
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pavlovscat7

Facts are so sacred that on sacred sites they become the Truthbureau.

Admin
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Admin

@pavlovscat7 – We don’t like to interfere with discussion but these multiple one-sentence postings of yours and your tendency to insult and denigrate without evidence seems very close to trolling. Don’t troll.

pavlovscat7
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pavlovscat7

So admin. Are you saying that pilon and mohandeer do not insult and denigrate? And do you say that Dr Judy Woods book, “WHERE DID THE TOWERS GO”..is not admissible evidence?

Admin
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Admin

There will be no debate about this. Follow the requirements for polite and constructive discussion. That’s all.

pavlovscat7
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pavlovscat7

Late for 9/11 debate Big B? Time to move on??

pavlovscat7
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pavlovscat7

Who won…S. Jones boosters or Judy Woods truth tellers?

mohandeer
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You may have already visited Norman Pilon’s blog, but in case you missed it, he just put a new post up
http://normanpilon.com/2017/02/06/hy-poth-e-sis-a-documentary-about-steven-jones/
Video of Sept. 09 summing up.

pavlovscat7
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pavlovscat7

Video of Sept. 09 “summing up”? Nice one mohandeer…been on survivor island long?

pavlovscat7
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pavlovscat7

Damage Control by Pilon..Perfidys’ trick is persecution by Steven E. Jones.

pavlovscat7
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pavlovscat7

Steven Jones is a stalking-horse.

pavlovscat7
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pavlovscat7

Steven Jones has several jockeys on this track.

mohandeer
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Saw many debates on several forums but not sure who best portrays the Start to Finish result. Got a preference? If so, can you give me a link?

pavlovscat7
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pavlovscat7

Where Did the Towers Go…Pilon will like.

johnschoneboom
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johnschoneboom

I happen to agree that intentional policy is the most plausible interpretation, but if we’re going to be honest and rigorous — and I think we ought to be — then we’ll still have to admit that arriving at that conclusion involves a hermeneutical leap at the very end of the available evidence. We have quite a few provocative statements about awareness of the rise of ISIS as a likely outcome of US policy in the region — so surprise is eliminated as a factor; we even have statements indicating that the rise of ISIS would be a welcome development… Read more »

Empire Of Stupid
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There’s never going to be any “proof positive”, the neocons are far too well embedded and connected to let anybody important get caught with their hands in the cookie jar. They leave evidentiary footprints everywhere, but they don’t give a damn about that, because most people lack the forensic skills to read and understand what the evidence tells them.

johnschoneboom
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johnschoneboom

I completely agree. And I think everyone by now is very wary of “fake news” and people trying to put one over on them. That’s why I think it’s important never to overstate a case. To say look, here’s what I think and here’s why I think it. I think when you say “this is obviously how it is, there’s no room for alternative interpretations, and anyone who can’t see it my way is stupid” you don’t win many converts. The art of persuasion. I have had the most success when I have made no assertions, but only laid out… Read more »

mohandeer
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That’s a very astute observation again. It’s like reading Nick Cohen who “sounds” so right, even to people who know him to be a liar, but still get taken in by his “assertions”. Only those who already know his fake truths can put forward the real facts and then only if we have the appropriate links and still there are those who will not bother to follow the links for verification. In other words, unless you are willing to quote verbatim the truths you have learned, it’s just your word against his. Too many people believe what they want to… Read more »

pavlovscat7
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pavlovscat7

So what is this Cohen chappies address mohandeerintheheadlights?…. I’ll send the ungratefull bugger a copy of, “WHERE DID THE TOWERS GO”

mohandeer
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Fair comment. Have you been following what Ashton Carter and John McCain have been up to? They were both observed in what they thought were clandestine meetings with leaders of first, the Muslim Brotherhood and then what were known to be Al Qaeda leaders. The dates checked out and both were on NGO “missions”. There are also the claims of the terrorists themselves, not just empty boasts, since they were happy to pose for selfies with their brand new US weaponry on display. Did you know that Syrian villagers and towns people frequently reported on US air supply drops(including weapons)… Read more »

johnschoneboom
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johnschoneboom

Oh believe me, I’m with you 100%. I wasn’t aware of each of those things but yes, most of them, and it’s good enough for me to make up my mind as you have. I was just kind of defending the notion of stating it as a theory backed by all sorts of evidence, an argument if you like, as opposed to stating it as “plain fact” which I feel convinces nobody, stifles debate, and probably puts people off by its aggressiveness. My interest I suppose is in the art of persuasion. Wielding “plain fact” in that way, beside being… Read more »

mohandeer
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Point taken. You are of course correct in your observations. Most of us who are aware of so much the NWO has achieved, because of our dedication to exposing truths, are convinced of the apparent guilt, but in truth, the facts are so spread out in their origins and availability that it is difficult to put forward any historic time frame let alone a list of culpability “proofs” that could convince the uninitiated. All we can do is keep posting in threads, all the links that lead to a culmination of exhaustive facts to validate our claims until they accumulate… Read more »

Alan
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Alan

Have doubts their is such a thing as plain truth. We have beliefs shrouded in a pseudo science of available/provided evidence. Whatever truth may be it will not be found via government, media or indeed any organisation. The Syrian tragedy is a reflection of the tragic societies we are told exist. If pushed, suspect off the wall political cults like Zionism, religious cults like Christianity, insane beliefs such as manifest destiny and probably ancient bloodlines have culpability. The plain truth as offered by the author is too convenient as it provides a face where a face doesn’t exist.

mohandeer
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“The plain truth as offered by the author is too convenient as it provides a face where a face doesn’t exist.” Yes in a manner of speaking plain truths are never as straightforward or as simple as we, any of us, believe. There is no face precisely because all the actors are hiding behind masks and their utterances are as remote as the distant past and a present which is constantly in flux depending on a person’s circumstances. If we stripped away all the lies, what would be left behind would still be one person’s truth and another’s lie as… Read more »

jimsresearchnotes
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Reblogged this on EU: Ramshackle Empire and commented:
The US involvement against Libya during the Obama presidency, like so much elsewhere (like the Middle East), left that country a total ruin and triggered a large scale refugee crisis. Every US military involvement creates these results.

archie1954
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I have always believed that the US was the biggest supporter of terrorism in the Middle East and have told Americans as such. They, of course, are so ignorant of facts and so brainwashed that they wouldn’t know the truth if they fell over it!

Kilimanjaro West
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Yes it’s been clear for a while, to those who cared to look a little closer, that arming and otherwise supplying ISIS, AQ and however many other Salafist/Wahhabi terrorist groups in Syria is no accident on Washington and London’s part. I have even seen footage (unverified) that purports to show ISIS guys openly riding public transport in Ankara. It is stupidly easy for TPTB to slip all this by the public who, even after the smorgasbord of lies that led up to the Iraq invasion, barely react at all. Or they scoff and dismiss it as a “conspiracy theory” and… Read more »

Seamus Padraig
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Seamus Padraig

“I am not suggesting he be written off…his tireless challenges of the official USG narratives are invaluable and more often than not he gets it right. This of course does not mean he is 100% right about everything 100% of the time.”
Meh. Chomsky, Fisk and Cockburn did some good work back in the day, but it’s been years since they had anything truly worthwhile to contribute. As they just cannot shake the western MSM narrative–and the ‘respectability’ it confers–their analysis is destined to remain fundamentally false.

mohandeer
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Sadly most recently Chomsky seems to be losing the plot. It’s a shame he did really good work for so many years, but alas has fallen into a hole and the light ‘aint on.