Five days after Putin’s warning about the dangers of western warmongering & this is where we are

Less than 24 hours after alleged former spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter, have allegedly been found in a collapsed state on a park bench in Salisbury, with no official claims of foul play and no announcement of likely cause, UK Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson is already announcing what he plans to do “If things turn out to be, as many members on both sides of the House suspect they are.”
If it turns out the “malign and disruptive” (Johnson’s own words) Kremlin poisoned them (which is what Johnson all but told the House of Commons he believed to be the case), then there are going to be more sanctions against Russia and possibly a UK boycott of the World Cup.
Speedy response is it not? Almost as if he were ready on the starting blocks for this latest tragedy to unfold.
The media of course are rolling in it like dogs in ordure. The Guardian has three front page stories going at the time of writing.

The Telegraph has two:

The Daily Mail has this going on:

And the Independent is bannering this:

Meanwhile the BBC, not content with pumping out the required xenophobic hysteria on the front page:

also takes its own tabloid track in the sub pages, with a story suggesting Putin may also have had a hand in murdering his former boss Anatoly Sobchak. This is the grimy hit piece in question:

…suddenly, just as Putin was running for president for the first time, his old friend Anatoly Sobchak died…The autopsy said it was cardiac arrest but can’t find any trace of a heart attack. Sobchak’s widow suspected foul play and had her own autopsy done.
Her name is Lyudmila Narusova. I met her recently and asked her if she thought her husband had been murdered. She paused long enough to say “Yes” 10 times over, and then replied: “I don’t know.”
Some have suggested Putin may have had a hand in his death. Did Sobchak have something on him?

Evidence presented? Zero.
Gabriel Gatehouse, Newsnight’s “Foreign correspondent” is forced to leave a gaping hole in his story where the slightest hint of genuine suspicion should be. He accepts by elision that all available sources show Putin was loyal to Sobchak and probably personally fond of him. He even admits Sobchak’s widow “dismisses out of hand” any suggestion Putin was involved. He admits Putin helped Anatoly Aleksandrovich flee Russia in 1996 when he was about to be arrested by factions loyal to Yeltsin, and – yes – even has to acknowledge Putin’s obvious grief at Sobchak’s funeral:

I went back and looked at the footage of the funeral.
Putin really is distraught. His eyes are red, he seems to struggle to swallow as he embraces Lyudmila Narusova. Putin is not an actor. Nor is he prone to public displays of emotion.

A lot of people would have had the respect to leave this particular non-story right there and find another way of working up the Russia hate. But not Gatehouse. He continues (our emphasis):

So it’s reasonable to assume that he is struggling with some genuine grief. Or is it something else. Guilt?

Well, what’s a bit of human decency when you have a narrative to sell?
Just five days after Putin’s plea for an end to the warmongering that endangers all life on earth – and this is where we are.
This is far from good.


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fremo.remo.
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Bill BROWDER gets a breathless and uncontested 5 minutes on BBCNN 5-eyes ‘plug-in’ RADIO NZ this morning. Browder directly accuses President Putin of attempted murder.
The odds on this being psyop just went through the roof.

Big B
Big B

Dianne Abbot: on pushing the Buzzfeed (“a major journalistic investigation?”) into the “14 suspicious deaths” (another dodgy dossier?) …”but we can’t allow London and the Home Counties to become a killing field for the Russian state.” It has already become a killing ground for the truth: murdered by cross-party collusional fear-mongering and unsubstantiatable reified racism ..a.k.a. Russophobia. We are in an undeclared elite driven ideological and cultural war with Russia. Next comes the further justification of an economic, currency, and trade war (which I am predicting that this ‘incident’ will be the means toward that end); then, after that …?
Russia is not our enemy: Whitehall, Parliament, and the fully complicit Fourth Estate are.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p06075xc

rtj1211
rtj1211

Dianne Abbott’s reputation for not being on top of her brief probably renders this irrelevant….

Thomas Peterson
Thomas Peterson

If someone had sprayed the pair with an unknown substance, why would they just go and quietly sit on a bench making no attempt to contact anyone or otherwise raise the alarm?

alaffcreator

Meanwhile…
A brand new BIG interview (actually a solid documental film – over 90 minutes) with V. Putin:

I just watched it a few hours ago.
A nice one, interesting.
Sure English version will be available soon (or maybe already?).
I was gonna try to make Eng. subtitles, but it’s seems too big – over 90min.! Damn, a lot of work. Needs a lot of time.
Though, looks like film has a ‘subtitles’ option, so…

vierotchka

The subtitles are in Russian only, there is no option to choose any language. 🙁

alaffcreator

The option to change the subtitle language is in the settings button.comment image
YouTube automatically translates Russian subtitles into English. Though I’m not sure that the resulting subtitles adequately and correctly express the meaning of the conversation…

vierotchka

Not on the video that is posted here, at least not for me. However, Russia Insight (which is Russia Insider’s handle on YouTube has posted short excerpts with proper English subtitles and announced that they will soon upload the whole film with English subtitles.
YouTube’s auto-translator for subtitles sucks, it is ridiculous!

dave
dave

I think this is an english version.
https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=5a8_1451921214

Admin

I don’t think it’s the same interview. The one at your link says it was added two years ago.

dave
dave

sorry. Did not notice. please delete.

Admin

It’s a useful link anyhow, so we’d like to keep it if that’s ok with you.

Mikalina
Mikalina

Tony (who posts here?) makes an interesting observation on Craig Murray’s blog (as posted by BigB) that it is a hoax. Ex Russian spy and daughter given loads of money presumably and re-located to somewhere nice. Both die, no-one sees bodies, 10 in pub not affected. As he says, it’s much easier to arrange a hoax than to actually kill someone. Guess that explains the strange CCTV pictures we’ve been getting and the jolly hockey sticks attitude of all involved.

Big B
Big B

Mikalina: actually, Tony has a point. What we have seen so far is mummery and am-dram; with a lot of conflicting evidence. Which is to be expected when a fully-state-integral media does the ‘investigation’/propagandising. Not that the state institutions are any more trustworthy. There is some corroborating ‘evidence’ (assuming everyone is telling the truth is too much of an assumption to make). The couple walking passed the gym at 15.47 have been claimed to be the Skripals by some of the media. The ‘witness’ calling herself Freya Church has identified the couple in the photo as “100%” the couple she saw acting erratically on the bench [Daily Heil]. Only they are NOT the Skripals: even the Guardian says this (though one can see it for oneself – the man is too thin, the woman blonde). So, who were the couple on the bench?
The Sun said the “spooks believe” that the Skripals were poisoned by thalium in the Mill pub. That can be ruled out by the so-called ‘nerve agent’ confirmation. And by the fact it was in the Sun.
[BTW: I don’t want to make out like I’m a serious investigator. I work in the building trade and get all the loo roll rags bought for me every day. Comparing them gives me something to do at tea breaks!]
The BBC produced a witness last night that seemed (to me at least) to by giving the impression that the couple were already showing signs of poisoning (alcohol or otherwise) in Zizzis restaurant. The very next segue was an ‘expert’ who said that nerve agents are fast acting and debilitating: which undermined the previous impression they were trying to give. All of this is anecdotal: but the merest application of critical thinking atomises the emergent narrative into self-contradictory droplets of factlets (any of which could be fabricated or attention seeking) from which we are being led (by the state-dependent media) to coalesce round the belief that Russia did it. Did what? Got two people drunk?
[Incidentally, talking of droplets: at least some of the sweep for forensics was done in the rain. So do they have any forensics?]
I await the state-sanctioned ‘official narrative’ with eager anticipation – it will probably read like a (technically dense and obfuscationally worded 3,000 page) comic – that we are supposed to thoughtlessly accept as coming from authority? So far I am not even convinced a crime has been committed? Apart from crimes against the truth: commited by a class-collaborationist media? We could just as easily be watching a glorified episode of ‘Silent Witness’; or Series 2.0 of McMafia? What is fact and what is fiction? What the state, through its fully-dependent fourth estate tells us? We are in a post-truth world were the mere suggestion of an “assassination” is enough for the state to act: because the state says so, on the basis of its own self-verifying truth. And if we claim otherwise we need to be silenced. Room 101 awaits?

Big B
Big B

Ladies and Gentlemen: the fix is in. It will surprise no one to know that Porton Down has been able to confirm the the Skripals (plus the first attending Police officer) were intentionally poisoned by a “nerve agent”. Now we proceed to the VX versus sarin debate for tomorrow? Previous affirmations by Porton Down include the exact strain of sarin used in Khan Sheikhoun (a sarin attack that did not happen): ditto East Ghouta 2013 (another false flag); the exact strain of Iraqi WMDs (modified from lactose powder); and the exact strain of the Ames Anthrax used in the AMERITHRAX attacks (that turned out to have NOT come Dr Bruce Ivins flask). So it was definitely a nerve agent then?
It must have been: because everyone’s favourite CW expert Hamish de Bretton-Gordon said so. Now we proceed to the “it was too sophistacated to produce, except in a state lab (Porton Down seem to have all the right samples?); not even ISIL could produce this …” Scroll down two paragraphs to get to Litvinenko’s radioactive cup of tea …Stop me when this gets boring, but haven’t we been here before?
Since you’re here …
… The Guardian’s independent, investigative propaganda takes a lot of time, money and hard work to produce …

Big B
Big B
Big B
Big B

Looks like Craig Murray, Admin, and I were all reading the same article at the same time and drawing the same conclusion!
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/03/the-elephant-in-the-room/

George Cornell
George Cornell

I am reminded of what the immortal Dolly Parton said. “It takes a lot of money to look this cheap.”

Schlüter

See also:
„Arafat and Litvinenko: an Interesting Turn to a Mysterious Story“, http://wipokuli.wordpress.com/2013/11/13/arafat-and-litvinenko-an-interesting-turn-to-a-mysterious-story/
Regards

Thomas Peterson
Thomas Peterson

Seems they had seafood for lunch.
“They ordered from the menu, choosing the 600 calorie risotto pesce with king prawns, mussels and squid rings in a tomato, chilli and white wine sauce.”

ing08

Another small point. Should Luke Harding be renamed here as Spook Harding? He is always there first when it comes to defecating on Russia. Does he not know that Russian LNPG gas is keeping us ‘free’? there are three ships currently steaming towards the UK loaded with the stuff, with one being unloaded in Wales as we speak.

Thomas Peterson
Thomas Peterson

Interestingly our Luke was interviewing Christopher Steele BEFORE it came out that he was behind the ‘pee dossier’.

Mikalina
Mikalina

Mr Steele was also behind the research into Litvinenko.
As for Intelligence Office Harding, if I was him and had read Pilger’s scathing remarks about myself, I would do the honourable thing and fall on my sword.

Jen
Jen

Luke da Spook(ed) might have to interview Christopher Steele again about this, ah, former employee of his, Pablo Miller, and Sergei Skripal.

ing08

Thanks for your scrutiny on the instant cacophony in parliament when very little was known, or was it?
lest recoup, we had Gavin Williamson pledge to join war with Russia China and North korea in Washington a week or two back. Then cam the magic new nuclear missile wand, which, after the Black sea debacle some years back, had the west gyrating for a response to this ‘new cold war’.
Then comes the bad news that our ‘moderate’ terrorists in Syria are not really coping with Assad’s defending his country, even the well paid Sandhurst led white Helmets could not make the abject failure go away.
Given these three facts, in whose interest was it to provide us with a juicy big stick to beat Russia with? Was this a home grown action by our well staffed and paid MI’s?
The loud response from the same old right wingers in Parliament, almost instant before any facts have been investigated or gathered, seem to have resulted in a planned crescendo in the House. How come they were so well prepared for this? did they have prior knowledge of it happening? was it the ’empire gene’ within them? the yearning for the good ol days when Britain was competing with the Russian empire?
whatever it was the stench will take some time to remove.
If UK footballers are banned from travelling to Russia by de Pelfer Johnson unloading another barrel into both feet, the damage to his nose does not come from a shotgun, then this will merely be recognised as drawing up another brexit anker from the shallow North sea, ready to sail west towards chlorine shores anew.

George Cornell
George Cornell

“Well she paused long enough to say yes ten times over”.
That is enough to declare a verdict? What we have come to expect from the Fraud. Then she said she did not know.

JJA
JJA

She could have said No even more times, as it is a shorter word!

vierotchka

Not in Russian. “Niet” (no) is longer than “da” (yes). 😀

JJA
JJA

Was the interview in Russian or English?

vierotchka

In Russian.

Wolfe tone

Piers Morgan tried to lecture a former Kremlin advisor today, when the advisor tried to point out the UK spooks had previous for lying I.e a WMD’s in Iraq. Morgan countered that he was wasting his time going down that road with him as his record about that time was well known(he lost his job because of his ‘opposition’ to the war). Alas the Russian guy matter a factedly pointed out that Morgan was ‘rewarded for something’ when he lost his job. Morgan hastily deflected and moved on, the controlled opposition that he is.

BigB

Putin pardoned Skripal: then waited four years to try and publicly assassinate him in order to boost his chances in the forthcoming Presidential elections? This is the sort of tortured logic being presented, or subliminally suggested, when the known facts are that two people collapsed in Salisbury. The fact that this was even suspicious is a mere suggestion at the moment. Yet we are already planning our retaliatory response? The fact that this has allowed the traitor Browder (now a British citizen) to advance his agenda (the Magnitsky Justice Campaign ): and allow Thornberry to push a further cross party collusional “Magnitsky Ammendment” to be tabled seals it for me: cui bono – the British Establishment Deep State.

BigB

BTW: the cross party putsch for a “Magnitsky Ammendment” to the Criminal Justice Act 2017 included Caroline Lucas: just in case anyone thought the Greens were a safe haven against the pandemic political Russophobia.
https://www.brightlinelaw.co.uk/bll-portal/A-magnitsky-clause-for-the-uk.html

Mikalina
Mikalina

As I am no longer able to send an “outraged from Tunbridge Wells” letter to the Guardian, I have written to Jonathan Fisher QC who drew up the amendment at the request/payment of the Magnitsky campaign.
I drew his attention to the factually incorrect content of his clause in that Mr Magnitsky was not a lawyer. I also attached the book by Alex Kraimer called The Death of William Browden.
I copied it to my MP and also to the Labour Party.
I have no doubt that this action will have absolutely no effect on anything.

Big B
Big B

Kudos for trying though. It’s not your fault that totalitarian democracy does not work the way we (the people) think it should. But it does function exactly as intended. We are upholding all the ‘wrong’ ideals, and we have been shown our place?

Thomas Peterson
Thomas Peterson

Putin is a funny one. He cherishes the lives of traitors like Litvinenko and Skirpal while they are in Russia, making sure no harm comes to them.
Then years later he inexplicably bumps them off in bizarre and gruesome fashion.
He only seems to do this in Britain for some reason.

tutisicecream

It’s pretty amazing how the Graun and the rest of the MSM had so much copy ready to go for what is supposed to be a developing story. A story in progress as we are led to believe. Their narrative may not surprisingly be directly in line with that of the FCO.
At the Graun Harding has already the opening chapter of his next novel up and running and is also part of the three-legged hack street team, racing to repeat as many anti-Russian memes as possible in 1000 words. So much so you might be forgiven for thinking GCHQ has adopted piece work payment scales.
But if for a moment you compare this narrative with say how the Manchester bombing was reported we can see a stark difference. The fact that many innocent people’s lives were lost and news that had a real back story which needed opening up. But in the event the whole thing was quickly closed down. With only the briefest of mention of links to a GCHQ/MI6 asset and his son gone rogue and their links with the British Government’s covert operations in destabilising and destroying Libya. In this we can start to see how the media really works or doesn’t work. And in whose benefit.
Quite honestly this story seems on the face of it to have little or limited public interest, but a significant one in regard to the Bad-Russia narrative which has become the mainstay of an ailing mass-media. And of course the masters of spin who manage such increasingly fantastic psyops story lines…

Thomas Peterson
Thomas Peterson

Yep, the Guardian seems to be quick off the mark, filling its pages with bollocks.

Francis Lee
Francis Lee

Talking of political assassinations, British imperialism has form in that respect. I remember as a kid how we used to celebrate Empire Day. We waved little mini Union Jacks on lollipop sticks celebrating our glorious empire. As I got a little older I can remember particularly nasty little wars in the Empire on which the sun never sets. This was during the 1950s. Let me see, there was Cyprus, Kenya, Malaya, Palestine, Aden, and before that South Africa and not forgetting of course the long-running show in Ireland.
One particular incident encapsulated the whole history of the blood soaked regime was the assassination of Patrick Finucane a solicitor from Belfast, a nationalist, and republican activist during the most recent ‘Troubles’ who dealt with legal issues affecting the republican/nationalist community in the British puppet state of Northern Ireland. Finucane was gunned down in his own house in front of his family by Loyalist terrorists. The story emerged that the British security forces were working hand in glove with loyalist gunmen.
”The leader of the team who targeted Finucane in 1989 was “one Eric McKee”, so called “military commander” of the Ulster Freedom Fighters, – a loyalist death squad -according to a draft report. McKee reportedly said, around six weeks before the killing: “I have been told by someone … ‘Get Finucane. He is the brains behind the IRA. Forget about [Gerry] Adams’.”
This intelligence has emerged from Brian Nelson, a member of the loyalist gangs at the time, who says the remark was made to him. Mr Nelson was not what he seemed. He was an agent infiltrated into the murder gangs by the British army’s most secret intelligence outfit, the force research unit. Hitherto concealed FRU records reveal who the “someone” was who passed the word on about the solicitor: “It had been Spence who had suggested they attack Finucane.” This referred to Jim Spence, a member of the umbrella Ulster Defence Association.”
When this information came to light there was the usual ‘Inquiry’ – yes the British are very good at ‘Inquiries’ – which of course led nowhere. I could also mention the atrocities which took place in Camp Hola against native internees during the Kenyan emergency, including Obama’s grandfather. But hey, I am not writing a book. All of which goes to show that the UK political establishment is not shy when murdering its own opponents particularly in the far fringes of empire.

BigB

Thankyou for this comment. I will “rage, rage, against the dying of the light” to see Thatcher in the dock for the murder of Pat Finucane. And Hilda Murrell. Not sure I can hang on another 90 years though.

Wolfe tone

The Finucane case was even more blatant. Weeks before the killing a Tory MP gave a nod and a wink(prepared the public for this outrage?) by stating some solicitors were unduly sympathetic to irish republicans. Put simply some solicitors were doing their job and defending folk against state repression. Outrageous indeed!
Meanwhile after the dirty deed was done the spooks managed to remove lose ends by silencing and indeed killing some of the unknowing pawns in their game for eg William Stobie(loyalist death squad member) was killed in a ‘feud’ just when he appeared that he was willing to disclose, officially, what he knew about the case. Before he was killed he admitted that he had supplied the guns to the killers but before and after he did that, he had informed his special branch handlers of what was about go down!
The evidence against UK dirty deeds is mountain high concerning political assassinations compared to the evidence alleged against Russia. The Russians should use n.ireland as a means of ‘go compare’ when dealing with UK smears I.e the British public would be shocked themselves at the lies they were told about the conflict in n.ireland.

Mikalina
Mikalina

Forgive me Wilfe. The word ‘conflict’ is being used a lot at the moment. It means to come into a disagreement with someone.
Northern Ireland was a deliberate oppression and subjugation through violent and treacherous means by a State on a sector of its own people.
The other ‘conflict’ in Palestine is a colonial overthrow of a land and the genocide of its people.

Wolfe tone

Well there’s a very real argument that n.ireland problems stems from colonialism and an overthrow of land too.

Mikalina
Mikalina

Sorry – history fell down the memory hole.

rtj1211
rtj1211

I think the security services were hand in glove with gunmen on both sides….they had certainly infiltrated the IRA as well….

rtj1211
rtj1211

Why doesn’t Johnson make a sacrifice himself, like not sending his kids to private school, as Eton pupils were taken to Russia to meet Putin himself? Clearly private schools are Russias friends, so no way can his children go to them….
Seen the story about N. Korea bumping someone off in Malaysia too?
If the poison story in Uk is false, Johnson must go to prison and having lied to the House about murder, he can never be an MP again. Ever.
He has an undistinguished track tecord of being credulous, the worst possible attribute for an Mp in the Foreign Office.
There can be no pussyfooting by journalists, Any hint of MI5/6 story fabrication and the top 200 MI5/6 names are released to the world with an invitation to the world to come and kill them…..along with Boris Johnson…..who will thus hide happily in prison to avoid a worse fate on the outside…
I assume Johnson and MI5/6 are liars until proven otherwise as their habitually criminal lies over the years renders that approach cautious and prudent…..

MichaelK
MichaelK

Considering how almost every square centimetre of the UK’s public space is covered by cctv cameras, spraying anyone with a chemical poison, would be a highly risky operation for any half-competent, foreign, assassin. Unless the assassin knew they weren’t in any danger from the authorities. Conspiracy theories, don’t you just luv ’em?

MichaelK
MichaelK

The Guardian… just look at it today, seems obsessed with the Russian menace. It’s both sick and incredibly boring, day after day. The Russians are dastardly and dumb at the same time, apparently. This must be a Russian trait I suppose? The great bear is dangerous and clumsy, my apologies to real Russian bears!
Think, the Russians keep handing propaganda weapons to the UK on a shiny silver platter over and over again, and they are so inept that they leave a glowing trail of radioactive breadcrumbs for the super brits to follow right up to the doors of the Kremlin!
Gosh, they must really, really, want to kill these people and see them as credible threats to Russia, to risk the awful backlash and damage that would follow if their actions were ever uncovered by the UK and its fearless media, typified by the courageous Guardian led by the intrepid Luke, the spook, Harding. It’s just a shame and lucky for us, that the Russians don’t have a fraction of Harding’s brain power and abilities, then they’d be really a force to taken seriously.

Mikalina
Mikalina

Luke the spook – that’s a keeper.

falcemartello

Oh Dear, the ANGLO-ZIONIST are desperate.
UNO: The Russians ate my lunch narrative has been debunked by four secret service agencies from England ,France Germany ,Spain and I might add another one the Italian one which makes it five in total
DUE: The famous Steele readers digest novella has been called out for what it is not a Dossier but a readers digest piece which has just recently been increased to its fake news category by the recent piece written by the New Yorker’s 15000 word piece that has more wholes in it that swiss cheese
TRE: Their ASSAD HAS GASSED HIS OWN PEOPLE TO SAVE GHOUTA campaign is falling apart as we speak . One of the districts that has been liberated are all telling a real story of how horrific it has been under those freedom loving head chopping takfiri’s. The Syrian Republican flag is now flying in these LIBERATED DISTRICTS
QAUTTRO: Not withstanding the fraudulent indictments by WADA that would never stand in any court of justice with the dubious evidence they presented against the Russian sporting federation. Fell on its derriere The Russians did better than expected in the olympics bagging a Gold in Ice Hockey and thrashing pax-americana.
CINQUE: The Koreans want peace not war so another theater of deception foiled.
SEI?DOCIUS IN FUNDEM last but not least: Putin just TRUMPED THE MIC/WASHINGTON CONSENSUS/ANGLO-ZIONIST with the latest in missile technology Mach1 and Mach 2 speed makes anything these vile western entities have as defence pretty much redundant. With a pinch of warning to whom ever wants to listen ANY ESTABLISHED ALLY OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION IE:(CHINA,SYRIA and IRAN ) threatened or attacked will be met with force/military.
SO The Russians /Putin administration has lost its patience will keep diplomatic channels open but no more appeasement . SO one big middle finger to the dying western establishment class.
POST SCRIPTUM: I really hope the anglo-zionist pull their FCKING Football team out and seeing the Italians did not make it it mught allow the AZZURRI to get back in via the back door

vierotchka

Verissimo.