The farcical reality behind Theresa May’s “novichok” story

We already know UK PM Theresa May misrepresented the Russian law on executing terrorists in foreign lands, in order to bolster her currently evidence-free claims of Russian culpability in the poisoning of ex-MI6 employee Sergey Skripal. Her narrative remains, as of March 15, bald and unconvincing. But it seems things may be about to get even worse for her and what some see as her bid to “Falklandise” her flagging premiership. It seems the “nerve agent” she claims was used to attack Skripal and his daughter may not actually exist.

the 2008 book in which dissident Soviet scientist Vil Mirzayanov published the formula for “novichok” which Theresa May pretends is a secret known only to Russia


Incredible as it may seem given the tale of certitude told by May in Parliament, and given the column inches used up in the media assuring the UK public how terrifyingly toxic “novichok” really is, the evidence for this alleged super-poison’s existence currently rests solely on the unproven claims of a dissident soviet “military chemist” named Vil Mirzayanov.
Mirzayanov told his western handlers a group of new (“novichok” in Russian can be translated as “new stuff” or “new arrival”) and allegedly highly dangerous compounds which he claimed could be created by combining commonly available substances, but it turns out western scientists were far from convinced by his claims, and, even as recently as two years ago, the efficacy and even the existence, of these “novichoks” was still deemed to be entirely speculative.
For example in 2013 the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (the body the UK refuses to work with in the Skripal case) had this to say about the potential reality of novichoks:

Regarding new toxic chemicals not listed in the Annex on Chemicals but which may nevertheless pose a risk to the Convention, the SAB makes reference to “Novichoks”. The name “Novichok” is used in a publication of a former Soviet scientist who reported investigating a new class of nerve agents suitable for use as binary chemical weapons. The SAB states that it has insufficient information to comment on the existence or properties of “Novichoks” Report of the Scientific Advisory Boardon Developments in Science and Technology for The Third Review Conference p. 3, section 8

And again in 2016 Dr Robin Black, former head of the detection laboratory at the Defence Science and Technology Laboratory at Porton Down made the same point:

In recent years, there has been much speculation that a fourth generation of nerve agents, ‘Novichoks’ (newcomer), was developed in Russia, beginning in the 1970s as part of the ‘Foliant’ programme, with the aim of finding agents that would compromise defensive countermeasures. Information on these compounds has been sparse in the public domain, mostly originating from a dissident Russian military chemist, Vil Mirzayanov. No independent confirmation of the structures or the properties of such compounds has been published. Robin Black (Dr), Development, Historical Use and Properties of Chemical Warfare Agents. Royal Society of Chemistry 2016, cited in “Doubts about novichoks” by Piers Robinson & Paul McKeigue

What these publications are effectively saying is – there’s no evidence any of these compounds work in the way claimed and Mirzayanov may very possibly be exaggerating or inventing.
Which raises the question – how did the scientists allegedly sourced by May suddenly feel able to not only identify this previously poorly understood and questionable substance, but identify where it came from and lay claim to it being massively deadly and toxic? As Craig Murray says (our emphasis):

…now, the British Government is claiming to be able instantly to identify a substance which its only biological weapons research centre has never seen before and was unsure of its existence. Worse, it claims to be able not only to identify it, but to pinpoint its origin. Given Dr Black’s publication, it is plain that claim cannot be true.

But that’s not all. There’s also problems with May’s claim that the “novichok” formula is a deep secret, known only to the Russians. Mirzanayov was interviewed by AFP about the Skripal case and this is what he said:

“Only the Russians” developed this class of nerve agents, said the chemist. “They kept it and are still keeping it in secrecy.”

Exactly what May said in Parliament. Great. Just one problem. Mirzayanov neglected to mention that this “secret formula” known only to “the Russians” had been published in 2008 in his own bookstill available on Amazon today.

Given the fact that anyone with an internet connection and $8.16 to spend could have obtained the “secret” recipe for novichok (which it seems most scientists don’t think would work anyway), and anyone with a decent professional laboratory could presumably manufacture it (again supposing it even works as claimed) will May correct her deceptive claims to Parliament and the British public?
Will the media continue to help her maintain her crumbling narrative? Are we watching WMD#2 with added depths of cynicism?

Read more about this at Moon of Alabama and at Tim Hayward’s blog


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jazthings656986293
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i find

UK PM Theresa May misrepresented the Russian law on executing terrorists in foreign lands

amusing as the british government has executed “terrorists” in northern ireland and gibraltar, and allowed members of parliament to starve to death! the british government has also deliberately split countries in two, along blurred lines, thus necessitating british troops to separate the restive natives (northern ireland, palestine!) or allowing britain “in the interests of fair play” to arm both sides! something about motes, eyes, and beams!

vierotchka
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Published on 21 Mar 2018 If you were running for the presidency of a country, and about to host a major international event – would you poison a defector, who many years earlier was in your possession, with a toxic substance that leads right back to you? It seems the Russian cookie monster always leaves a convenient cookie crumb trail – or so the Western audience is led to believe. All symptoms of a provocation are clear. Furthermore, “Novichok” is not a widely known substance in Russia itself – it was developed by a chemist who moved to the US… Read more »

jazthings656986293
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oddly enough, anna chapman was swapped in that exchange!

vierotchka
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A MUST watch, it is brilliant!
Andrey Vadjra: About the Coma Patients at the Service of Her Majesty

Mikalina
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Mikalina

The dog barks, and the caravan moves on.
I so miss that biting wit. I would love to go back but I think I would be too embarrassed!!!!!

BigTim
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BigTim

Discussions of the finer points of nerve gas do not interest me at this time. What I would like to see is some proof that this alleged attack actually occurred, nerve gas or otherwise. Since I have no confidence in the word of those could furnish proof, if it exists, I guess I won’t be getting any.

Mikalina
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Mikalina

Pssst, Tim, they’re in the Bahamas.

D3F1ANT
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D3F1ANT

Meh…I don’t know. It’s certainly in-fashion to defend Russia no matter what they do…but it seems to ME that they’re the ones who’d want the guy dead! Seems like a “duh” moment to me. But I remember Russian tactics and behavior from the days when the KGB ran the show openly…instead of from behind the scenes. If we were REALLY supposed to believe the Soviets were gone…they shouldn’t have “elected” a retired KGB THUG to run things for DECADES!

jazthings656986293
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wow, things must be better in the ukraine if you can afford vanity licence plates! what you couldn’t afford sv0d0da? they’re not paying you enough, man!

Vic
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Vic

You speak of this so called KGB thug as some sort of hitman. He was just an analyst. All you do is parrot off what other people keep saying. Russia is no longer communist. The Bolshevic jews were kicked out long ago. Under President Putin’s leadership, poverty has been reduced 50 percent, wages improved and Russia is now the biggest producer of non GMO wheat and other foods. He is also giving free land to those who will farm it. President Putin is the only sane president in the world.

Pam Ryan
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Pam Ryan

God I hate to say this but if there are any people left who believe this utter bullshit, then they are fucking lazy and stupid.

vierotchka
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What are you referring to when you say it is bullshit?

Mikalina
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Mikalina

And, and, HE forgave Cuba her debts so that she could prosper, whereas the US have loaded Puerto Rica with more debt and privatised the electricity.

bevin
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bevin

This is very low grade trolling, unworthy of any reply, except that, in times when so many children are hungry even in the rich countries, and medical care is rationed and desperately needed by millions, it seems particularly inappropriate that public funds are used to finance troll factories, and that persons skilled only in the dark arts of misleading others and bending the truth wax fat.

vierotchka
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wholetale
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I live near Salisbury. [I was away in Vienna from 5 to 12 March, so I come to all this with a certain freshness]. When I went into the village shop, shortly after my return, I was told that Livery Road was closed [briefly], because the Army was picking up a vehicle. Yesterday, March 17th, at about 12.45pm, I was driving to Andover, and had to wait at the lights for the Porton turn. The road was not only blocked by the traffic lights, but by police motorcyclists, to secure the passage of an Army low-loader, and ambulance marked Incident… Read more »

jazthings656986293
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so life in salisbury is normal enough? cool! have there ever been military exercises disrupting town life?

Paul
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Paul

Your ‘article’ is utter garbage. You are only quoting one small section of Dr Black’s article (you haven’t read the whole RSC article have you?).
The section you quote is simply stating that there are no OPEN publications of the more lethal Novichok agents, which DOES not mean they don’t exist, nor that Porton don’t know about them. There is such a thing as SECRET intelligence.
There are no open publications on nuclear weapon design either, which doesn’t mean they don’t exist!

jazthings656986293
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does the light hurt your eyes when you see it, or do you just keep your eyes closed all the time?

Thomas Peterson
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Thomas Peterson

There are no novichok nerve gases, They are made up.

Sid
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Sid

Don’t even bovva Paul. The Russian scientist put the formula for “deadly novichoks” in his book. Probly wouldn’t have been allowed to do that if it was a secret ongoing military project would he.
You numpty

alaffcreator
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Last evening the Russian newspaper “Komsomolskaya Pravda” posted an interesting note/article about Vil Mirzayanov. The journalist’s name is Abbas Juma (https://twitter.com/IBN_MOHAMMAD/), he is well-known in Russia (and not only) and he specializes in the Middle East and, in particular, in Syria. In this artilce Abbas Juma is talking with a close friend of Vil Mirzayanov. The article is not big, so i translated it: Russophobe and Tatar separatist: who is the creator of the “Novichok” gas? The attention of the world press is now focused on a scandalous story with the poisoned ex-colonel of the GRU Sergei Skripal. Let’s recall,… Read more »

jazthings656986293
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very interesting! thanks!

Pam Ryan
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Pam Ryan

Good God.

Mikalina
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Mikalina

Wow, Alaffcreator, that’s mindblowing, well theory-blowing, anyway.
Thank you so much for the translation. Just more plots to split up, sow dissent and destroy Russia. President Putin mentioned several in the film on another thread (which I call “Without Russia, what’s the point?”) especially Kazakstan and Belarus.
Having this man in place plus the ultra fast appearance of the “newbie” with its very own well developed wiki page, suggests that the ‘plot’ with the Skipals was well thought out BEFORE it supposedly happened.

alaffcreator
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Well, in my personal opinion, Mirzayanov now in “chemical dossier” is the same as G. Rodchenkov in “sports dossier”. He says what they (those who made this provocation) need. And he will say this as much as they will need. His “testimony” will be used (among other things) to legalize the “evidence of Russia’s guilt”. I can be wrong, but I have no doubt that ALL this was prepared in advance – the “incident” (it was planned in advance, cuz you can’t do such a thing spontaneously), the “official reaction” (indignation, tough statements, options for response), the results of “investigation”… Read more »

Sceptic
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Sceptic

The sudden change of position by US, France and Germany is easily explicable. They received a dossier from HMG which convinced them that there is credible evidence that Russia is the instigator of the attack in Salisbury. Whether that dossier is genuine or has been sexed up, very few of us will ever know.

vierotchka
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Having this man in place plus the ultra fast appearance of the “newbie” with its very own well developed wiki page, suggests that the ‘plot’ with the Skipals was well thought out BEFORE it supposedly happened.

Indeeed, but I think they moved too quickly and contradicted themselves too often. People are waking up everywhere.

shaksvshav
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shaksvshav

Operation Beluga coming to an hysterical crescendo as Russia’s Presidential Election looms: https://www.veteranstoday.com/2018/03/15/operation-beluga-the-plot-to-demonise-putin/

Peter Schmidt
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Peter Schmidt

This is from a real chemist (with a title Dr) from Moon of Alabama’s comment section: Regarding the synthesis, as I understand it, this class are binary agents, i.e. non-lethal till mixing, so the two ‘halves’ could be made without specialist kit. Even active nerve agents could be prepared using a just fume cupboard, and the right PPE. Nothing too special required other than non shaky hands. Could be made anywhere the precursors are available. We worked with HF, OsO4, Thallium etc in such environments. Regarding the analysis. Typically small quantities are analysed (I used to install them) using GCMS.… Read more »

Sceptic
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Sceptic

Porton Down easily has the skills to construct the molecules mentioned by Mirzayanov. Those substances get the name ‘Novichok’, even if Mirzayanov is lying. HMG is unable to identify the source, which implies that they don’t have ‘fingerpirnt’ samples.

Thomas Peterson
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Thomas Peterson

Alternatively, novichoks don’t exist and the Prime Minister was simply lying or had been duped into believing something fictional existed.

Peter Schmidt
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Peter Schmidt

And that’s from Craig Murray, who seems to agree: Porton Down is still not certain it is the Russians who have apparently synthesised a “Novichok”. Hence “Of a type developed by Russia”. Note developed, not made, produced or manufactured. It is very carefully worded propaganda. Of a type developed by liars. UPDATE This post prompted another old colleague to get in touch. On the bright side, the FCO have persuaded Boris he has to let the OPCW investigate a sample. But not just yet. The expectation is the inquiry committee will be chaired by a Chinese delegate. The Boris plan… Read more »

O Lucky Man!
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O Lucky Man!

Ah! I love it! Yes, this is the most beautiful piece of verbal jujitsu that I shall use at all appropriate times from now on –
“Carefully worded propaganda, of a type developed by liars”
So many occasions to use this when perusing our favourite decaying media sources.
Much obliged Craig!

Kaiama
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Kaiama

UK’s claims questioned: doubts emerge about source of Salisbury’s novichok
A ceremony to mark the destruction of Russia’s stock of chemical weapons may have been held too soon
Ewen MacAskill Defence correspondent
Thu 15 Mar 2018 19.53 GMT Last modified on Thu 15 Mar 2018 22.00 GMT
note that they are saying that its Russia’sstock even though it was in Uzbekistan,andtheyfailto mentionthe involvement of the US in decommissioning the research base at Nukus.

Mikalina
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Mikalina

So the ‘newbie’ chemical story fell apart. Next to go is the incident itself:
The Skripals, as I keep saying, are in the Bahamas.
First one to get a photograph………

Peter
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Peter

According to Nikulin, the gas was produced in the city of Nukus in Uzbekistan. In 1992, the company was dismantled under the control of the Americans. Accordingly, the US would have samples of this substance. “In the case of using the gas, Nowitschok, I would look for any Russian track, but for an Uzbek or better American. That will be closer to the truth, “Nikulin continues. He emphasized that this nerve poison had never been used in the service of the Russian army.

Thomas Peterson
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Thomas Peterson

It was never produced anywhere because it doesn’t exist.
It’s a fiction made up by a defector singing for his supper and later trying to sell his otherwise very boring book.

vierotchka
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The plot thickens… Curiouser and curiouser, quoth Alice!
http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/03/theresa-mays-novichok-claims-fall-apart.html

vierotchka
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The ‘whistle-blower’ Vil Mirzanyanov who ‘revealed’ the ‘Novichok’ program and its poisons is furiously milking the story. He must be out of cash and wants to sell more copies of his book!

Jen
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Jen

Ah yeah, he must be out of cash as you say … times must be tough when you have a million-dollar house to maintain. Electricity bills running sky-high when that electric fence is on 24/7.
( … mournful violin playing in the distance … )

Jen
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Jen
Jen
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Jen

He must be jealous of all the attention fellow whistle-blower dissident chemist Grigory Rodchenkov got recently, what with that “Icarus” film getting the Oscar for Best Self-Aggrandizing Propaganda flick and the attention lavished on Russia’s supposed government-sanctioned sport-doping scheme.

alaffcreator
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I don’t know where it’s better to post it – here, or in “The Skripal case. An open thread” topic… Anyways, I tried to collect several possible motives – why the UK, or someone else, could be interested to kill Skripal. Motive is the most important thing in any crime. Therefore, it is important to consider the possible reasons for what happened. The following selection is based both on my personal opinion, and on the generalization of the versions of Russian experts, analysts and political scientists made in last 2 weeks: (1) motive – To increase T. May’s rating and… Read more »

George Cornell
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George Cornell

I was reading about my 9th edition of Brittanica, the one which in 1889 refused to accept that blacks were human. I came across this comment which seems to apply here, given the American poodling foreign policy which characterizes May and colleagues. It was written when the Guardian was a relentless force for truth, justice and the moral way. It was the 100th anniversary of the sale of Brittanica to the Americans. God bless and help Jimmy Swales. How many times have Blair and May asked the question “How high?” “The full horror of what an American editorial monopoly entails… Read more »

mog
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mog

Richard Seymour (someone whose writing I often read appreciatively) demonstrates – well, I don’t know what: extract: ‘Now, for what little it’s worth, I suspect the Russian state was involved in this attempted killing. It would, moreover, hardly be the worst of Kremlin actions in the post-Stalinist years, from Chechnya to Ukraine to Syria. But with relatively little to go on at a still early stage, people are entitled to reticence, if not a degree of downright scepticism. No one is obliged to agree with the British intelligence services, or Number 10. And the opposition, I would say, has a… Read more »

bevin
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bevin

The clue lies in the “stalinism” reference. Seymour is a classic Cliffite tip toeing his way into a prosperous middle age by thinking up ‘leftwing’ reasons for agreeing with the imperial ruling class. He is following in the footsteps of Chris Hitchens.
I believe he was also able to detect symptoms of Stalinism in Ghaddafi and would hold a victory of the Zionist/Saudi axis in Syria as another blow against Trotsky’s enemies.The path from “Trotskyism’ to Neo-conservatism is so well worn that it is becoming a canyon.

milosevic
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milosevic

It would, moreover, hardly be the worst of Kremlin actions in the post-Stalinist years, from Chechnya to Ukraine to Syria.
In other words, he’s on the side of imperialism, and their nazi/wahabi death squads. It’s convenient, these days, for the CIA’s mercenaries to pretend to be something other than what they are, so people like him can cheer for them without impairing their left-wing pose. Once you get started with the 9/11 Denial, why stop there, especially when a comfy career writing for the Praetorian Guardian awaits you?
What a f***ing asshole.

MichaelK
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MichaelK

Seymour… often irritates me with his conceit, or is it merely arrogance? The point with academic life is that one has to remember that there’s always so much more to study, learn, and not least, understand. The more one learns, the more one sees how much more there is to learn. Which keeps one’s feet on the ground. There’s also the ‘uncertainty principle’ as I call it… what if I’m wrong about this? What if what I think I know and understand, is wrong? I just don’t understand, not fully anyway, how Seymour can be so certain about events in… Read more »

Jen
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Jen

I am sorry to hear what happened to your grandmother as well.
You understand far more than The Guardian and Richard Seymour do. They see with the clarity of simpletons.

Mikalina
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Mikalina

It’s the almost gleeful detached intellectualism which doesn’t ‘disturb the surface’ as Pilger puts it, that nauseates me. The pontificating on something which others have felt, seen, experienced suffered, in order to gain kudos or money or position or fame. It is parasitical.
I am so sorry about your grandmother and that you have to suffer afresh – both from the right wing take over in Kiev and the utter crassness of the MSM.

John Gilberts
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John Gilberts

Test of Theresa May’s Rule of Law, An Application For Habeus Corpus for Yulia Skripal
by John Helmer
http://johnhelmer.net/test-of-theresa-mays-rule-of-law-an-application-for-habeus-corpus-for-yulia-skripal/#more-18852
“An application to a British court for a writ of habeus corpus on behalf of Yulia Skripal is the last chance, British and international lawyers believe, to preserve for public accountability the evidence of the poison attack against her and her father, Sergei Skripal..”

Big B
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Big B

John: do they have a body to produce would be a legitimate question? Four people (the Skripals, PC Nick Bailey, and an unnamed doctor) were admitted to Salisbury District Hospital with severe exposure to Novichok – yet the hospital has remained open and functional throughout. The ‘Novichok’ has persisted in ‘dusty form’ all week on a parking meter – when was the hospital quarantined and decontaminated? Reason would suggest that an open hospital would serve as a ground zero for further contamination of the community? Alternatively, it was never contaminated? The updates that we are now getting are for the… Read more »

Thomas Peterson
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Thomas Peterson

Oh right, they are clamiing to have found the mythical powder form of mythical novichok now?
What an utter farce.

Big B
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Big B

After a week and more than an inch of rain!

Michael McNulty
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Michael McNulty

A deadly nerve agent which failed to kill? That was my first red flag, right there.

Ross Hendry
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Indeed. A red flag and a deafening siren.

Jay Q
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Jay Q

To be honest with everyone on here, I am actually really scared by whats going on right now and I don’t even know what to say or think about the insane things I am seeing being said by the political class and the media.

Admin
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I think if anyone isn’t scared they aren’t paying attention or are living in the media fantasy that deems wars never happen here and nothing will ever interrupt the supply of chianti & avocados at Waitrose.

milosevic
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milosevic

I think if anyone isn’t scared they aren’t paying attention or are living in the media fantasy that deems wars never happen here and nothing will ever interrupt the supply of chianti & avocados at Waitrose. And then England — southern England, probably the sleekest landscape in the world. It is difficult when you pass that way, especially when you are peacefully recovering from sea-sickness with the plush cushions of a boat-train carriage under your bum, to believe that anything is really happening anywhere. Earthquakes in Japan, famines in China, revolutions in Mexico? Don’t worry, the milk will be on… Read more »

mog
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mog

I have been sending emails out, trying to avoid social media, linking to critical articles.
Little response.
I think people are generally regarding this like a reality TV show featuring celebrity politicians, (text your vote to the number at the bottom of the screen and include the word ‘OMEGA’).
Shocks coming.

Jay Q
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Jay Q

I simply don’t know what to do. We are talking about the most precarious situation in our lives – WTF is the government doing putting us all at risk like this? I live with family and could’t just leave to go to other side of the world. Is it worth withdrawing large amounts of money and buying supplies? Has it really come to this now? I need a hug 😉

Betrayed planet
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Betrayed planet

I an sending you love and peace over the airwaves. I certainly would start buying seeds to grow food, anyone with room for chickens should invest in a chicken run. It may not come to this but I have felt for a long time now that WW3 is on its way. We no longer have a free press in UK, we have a media, political class in cahoots , there has to be a reason. The abuse Corbyn has had to deal with has been positively insane, why? The level of chaos since May took office is terrifying, I believe… Read more »

Jay Q
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Jay Q

“I an sending you love and peace over the airwaves.”
Thanks – and right back at you 🙂

Admin
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It’s pretty risky, but the situation in Ukraine in late Feb 2014 was a lot worse. Let’s remember though this is theatre. We can be pretty sure while they are doing all this strutting and fretting they are also contacting Russia behind the scenes to try and make reassurances it’s all for show. They have no intention of actually declaring war on Russia. The danger is they are too stupid to see they are going too far and might kick something off by accident.

Betrayed planet
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Betrayed planet

I feel the very same, I am worried about my three sons all of whom are in their 20s. These people are a criminal entity, determined to bring war, determined to ensure Imperialism lives on regardless of the outcome, death, devastation and ultimately a nuclear winter at this rate of pure insanity.

avenir
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avenir

I feel the same way with a 17 year old son and 20 year old daughter. We seem to be sleepwalking into another war but this time the “enemy” isn’t some defenceless state but Russia who despite the post cold war nonsense about it being spent as a military force, can shoot back. It destroyed the Georgian army in a couple of hours and, if it wanted to, could have been in the center of Kiev in a morning. For all the propaganda about how wicked Putin is, he’s predictable, sober and not easily provoked. I feel sure he will… Read more »

alaffcreator
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People, what are you talking about? Do you really think someone will start a WW3 because of some unknown (has anyone heard of Skripal before the incident? I doubt) old man poisoned (IF he really was poisoned) in a small English town?? This is not serious. What we have here is a game, obviously a well directed/staged spectacle. It’s just clearly seen. The spectacle has a scenario and in-advance-designated “guilty” side. Actors play their roles, everything goes according to plan. You should not be scared (this is what they want you to be), you should laugh on this. You should… Read more »

avenir
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avenir

Yes I know the Georgians started the conflict first, the point was that the Russian military are perfectly capable of fighting anyone and assumptions by the west particularly Americans who keep telling me that they’ll have their arses whipped by the good old USA is way off the mark and rather delusional.
The reason for our dismay is the irrational performance by politicians who should know better but seem to be hopelessly short of a brain cell or two and prepared to ramp up the jingoistic bollocks that started WWI for political advantage.

avenir
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avenir

Well that was interesting, I just left a comment on the a Guardian live blog about the longstanding resentment by the establishment for its failed World Cup bid for the tournament in 2018, which the Russians won. If you remember David Cameron, Prince William and David Beckham blessed the proceedings with their presence but the FA claimed the result was a fix and we should boycott it, a constant theme in the following years although it later emerged they’d tried some bribery themselves with some watches? I also speculated whether there would another event that would confirm a full boycott.… Read more »

George Cornell
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George Cornell

Can you imagine a World Cup without England? England vs anybody are hardly marquee match ups.

avenir
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avenir

Yes I can imagine the World Cup without England, but I suspect people like Boris don’t quiet understand it and would willingly sacrifice it for political advantage. It’s like some establishment figures have to have a football team, Dave’s Westham Villa and Prince William’s support of Villa which seems to be a choice of a team that offends by no one. Of Course Boris and the rest of the Etonians went to school that played rugby and their sport of choice is ripping foxes to shreds with hounds. Millions here would be very disappointed and they would definitely be a… Read more »

Mikalina
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Mikalina

“…..Villa which seems to be a choice of a team that offends by no one.”
Quite a few Birmingham City fans who would disagree…. Up the Blues!!